Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:353 Something in the road

Episode Date: August 20, 2017

Tonight I will be welcoming three guests to the show. Doug is from Pennsylvania saw one of these creatures on the side of the road. Doug said "It was not a bear and it was too large to be a human." I will also be speaking to Matt who is from California, and he will be sharing two encounters he had up in the mountains. You can see the video Matt submitted of the location of his second encounter HERE. My final guest is John who is from Missouri. John wanted to share two encounters he had.

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me, and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun.

And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 9-1-1. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him.

Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Jefferson County, Missouri. I remember the encounter well. It happened in July of 2003. About 2 o'clock in the morning, I arrived at my mother's house and parked down by the garage, which is down by the woods. We lived down a gravel road, a densely populated area, I mean probably 10 people for every square mile. I had my dog with me. She's 40% wolf and lab. She acted really strange. Ever since I was a kid, I had been scared to go down to their garage. That was once a barn. It always felt like someone

was there. Someone was watching me. We get out of the car. And Kaylee, my dog, starts barking at the woods. But it's too dark to see, but I hear some commotion. We rushed up to the house and went in, and I ducked behind the door. In the dust to dawn, light, I wanted to see if there was anything following me. There was a human-like shadow coming from around the house. I grabbed my pistol and darted out the door. As I came around the side of the house, I came maybe within five feet away from this huge, grayish, black being. instantly I turned and ran back to the sidewalk.

I then turned around to see the creature gracefully with a weird type of movement, walk up to the top of the driveway, then stop, turn, and stare at me with sort of a soul-digging look. Then Kaylee takes off after it. The creature walks two steps to the shadows, turns and disappears, and then Kaylee comes running back. I stood there for a few minutes and shocked for my last. life. It scares me so bad. I get the chills when I think about it. The creature was grayish black, demonic looking. Walked like a man, but lumbered along like an ape. It had the strangest glowing eyes,

like a pair of night vision goggles at night. Very strange. I will never forget this encounter. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Sunday night. Hope you guys like the retelling of that encounter from Missouri or Missouri, I guess, depending on. on what part of the state you're in. There's an elderly lady that emails me every time I say Missouri, she corrects me and lets me know it's Missouri. So I'm waiting for an email from her. It's in good fun, and I take it in stride.

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How's everyone doing tonight? Thank you again for being here. Interesting show tonight. I'll be speaking to Doug. And Doug was driving home from work one night and he saw one of these creatures on the side of the road. Very, very fascinating encounter. So he'll be coming up.

I'll also be speaking to Matt, who's from California. And Matt had two encounters he'll be sharing with us tonight. And then I'll be speaking to John who's from Missouri, Missouri, and he has a very, very thick accent. I was kind of teasing John off the air. It's in good fun when him and I talked, but I don't let him know, you know, it's just, it's fun like brotherly ribbing. But first time John and I talked, I didn't understand a word he said. I was sitting there listening to him and I would catch bits and pieces of it. Might be me. It may not be him. But I absolutely.

love his accent and that it's a real thick southern accent. I'm going to turn this guy into a star. I might have John come back and read news on a weekly basis on the show. Maybe I'll have a court reporter in there too as well to kind of repeat back what John says. But and it's in good fun. Again, John is absolutely, I could send, he needs to do audiobooks. I could sit and listen to this guy all day long talk. But he'll be coming on later to, to share his encounter. And I even gave John a call earlier. Absolutely love this guy.

And his laugh, you'll hear it. It'll be towards the end of the show. But I'll bring him on last to tell his encounter tonight. John has a great heart. John, I know you're listening. Thank you so much for a listening, man. Let's jump into it tonight. I know Doug had his encounter in Pennsylvania.

Doug, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for being here, ma'am. No problem. I'm glad you all have. have me. No, I appreciate you. I appreciate you being here. If you would for the audience, I know you had something cross the road in front of you. For the audience, would you kind of walk us into what you experienced? Were you tell us what you're out doing? Obviously, you were driving. Well, it wasn't really from work. And at that time, I worked the midnight

shift. So I was traveling toward a little town in Pennsylvania, called Mercer. around 62. Now, it was, we got out of work then at like 3 o'clock in the morning, and it was during, it was in December, kind of cold, kind of rainy, you know, I had a vehicle in front of me that was one of my coworkers. He was approximately 3 to 400 yards in front of me, and I had another coworker behind me that was approximately the same distance away as I was from the guy in front of me you know what I'm trying to say.

Yeah. Well, 62 crosses, there's a road that comes in from the left of that. It's called Skyline Drive or Skyline Road, just a wee little road. It starts up a grade there, and I'm having up the hill, and like I said, I was going in a emergency get gas for my vehicle. And at the time, I had a 2006 dog's crap. I mean, I wasn't going super fast. I wasn't going super slow.

The speed limit, 50, 55, 65, 60. miles and I start up this little grade and on the left-hand side of the road was this giant thing walking up the side of the road just like a person would do and it was uh the only kind of color I can describe it was uh like a tan like a deer like uh oh like carhart tan okay now you have to understand that this part of 62 there's no lights there's a few houses there were was no flashlight and you know you're walking against traffic in fairly dark clothes and three o'clock in the morning quarter after three in the morning i mean that's pretty much taking your life in your hands you know the shoulder of the road isn't wide and it just i looked and i'm like i said in my mind

what the hell is that and kept going up the road well i get to the sheets and my co-worker in front of me I get out of my truck and I said to him out and I said, did you see and he stopped me his exact words where I'm going to say it

on the air but his exact words were you mean that giant and the effort walking up the side of the road I went yeah

I said he was on the left hand side of the road and Allen's like the co-worker was like no when I saw him he was on the right-hand side of the road it wasn't too long after that my coworkers that were

behind me pulled in and we asked them hey if he's not walking up the road. There was two guys in my buddy's truck. They're like, absolutely not. What are you guys talking about? So I saw something big and brown walking up the left-hand side of the road. Alan saw it up the right-hand side of the road. And right away, oh, don't you saw a big foot. They saw you a big foot and all the set of crap. And, you know, I don't know what I saw. All as I know is if that was a human, and I didn't see no long flowing hair or, you know,

the big arm swing or any of that. If that was a human walking up the side of the road, I'm going to start my own basketball team with him. Because it was six and a half, seven foot tall. I mean, I've hunted and fished in Pennsylvania my whole life. I rode bulls professionally for 15 years. I can kind of judge the size of something. This is 600 pound around that.

And it had a, when it was walking, It wasn't like bobbing. It was just kind of a real smooth kind of walked. And probably one of the biggest people I've ever have seen face to face. One of them was a tackle that the Steelers had named Matt Starks. He was like 6'8, well over 300 pounds, professional football player. And whatever was walking up that road made Matt Starks look like my 12-year-old daughter. It looked like a big,

seven foot, seven and a half foot pro bodybuilder. Real narrow waist shoulders that were three and a half, four feet wide. You know, it, it wasn't a person. I don't care. People were ridiculed me for it. One of my best friends is a police officer in the borough that I was going to. And he's like, hey, yeah, dude, so big foot. You know, people get kind of, you know, people don't believe.

and stuff like that, you know, they, they kind of just kind of get on you about it, you know. And like you said, there's no, did I see a big foot? I don't know. Did I see a person walking up the side of the road, three o'clock in the morning, no light, no vehicle breaking down on the side of the road on a pretty cruddy night to be out doing anything? I really don't think so. And if the person, if that was a person walking up the road, why would it switch? from one side of the road to the other, and then totally disappeared.

I just don't get it. You know, I saw something. I don't know what, you know. You say, yeah, I just saw a big boy. You know what I mean? I just don't know. And you'll find two, Doug, when you talk to a lot of people, I mean, I've spoken to a lot of people, especially hunters,

rarely will you get a hunter say, I saw Sasquatch. A lot of times what they'll say is, okay, it wasn't a man and it wasn't a bear. I'm not really sure what I saw. But in your case, you know, if you're talking six and a half, seven feet tall and six hundred pounds, that's a pretty big boy to be walking down. Like I said, if that was a human, number one, he didn't have a light. You know what I mean? And I don't know about me or you or whatever.

But in every vehicle I have, I carry some sort of light in case something would happen at night, you know, flat pyre or whatever. You know, there was no light. And like I said, Max Starks is probably. the biggest person I've ever seen hook hands with his hands. I'm six with three and I weigh 240 pounds. You know, I'm a big gym job,

but I go to gym six days a week. I, you know, played football. I've done all that other stuff. Like I said, I wrote Bulls professionally. I know what a big animal is. I mean, this made a professional football player look like a kid, you know. And I'm not going to sit here in line

and say it booked at me and, no. I just, it just, like, said, oh, okay, here comes a track. I'm just going to keep walking. You know, I got a quick look at it. And, Doug, I wanted to ask you, I didn't mean to cut you off, but when you saw it, was it, when you were passing by, was it, did it have its back to you or did it have its front to you? No, it had its back to me.

It was like going up the hill the same direction I was, but on the left-hand side of the road. So its back was too much. Now, for me, traveling that road, every now and then now, you know, there's a big power line there. There's woods on each side of the road. You know, did it go up the fire line, did it jump in the woods? Did it say, hey, I've already had two people see me, you know, two more, you know,

I just don't know what I saw. You know what I'm saying? I just, it wasn't a part. And was it all that one color, that Carhart color, that deer color? Yes, sir. Yes, sir, it was. You know, yes, sir, it was. I, like I said, I'm not going to lie to you and say, I saw all this long, flowing hair and gave me the patty look and all that other stuff.

No, it didn't. I just like, oh, hey, I'm walking up the road. It was just strange. I still talk about it. And that happened, oh, let's see, I've worked at Chevron for four years. That was probably two years ago, I think, if I remember it well, but it was right before Christmas. And like you said, it was a pretty nasty night to be out walking around because it's raining and cold and stuff like that. But like you said, it wasn't a person.

I don't, I don't care. Mike Tyson's coming in here and said, you saw a person. I'd fight him over it because it wasn't their damn person. Like I said, I hunted and I fished in Pennsylvania, Western States, camped. I've never ever, and I wasn't scared in my truck. I've never been scared in the woods. I've heard some pretty weird stop in the woods. And I've never been scared.

I, you know, I, you know, I'm a country boy. You know, and I just, you see that walking up to you in the woods and you're standing there in the woods. You're going to have a, you know, you're going to craft a pile you can hide behind. You know, I just don't, you know, I don't tell you. Well, that's what I saw. No, I appreciate you talking about it. I appreciate you coming on and discussing it. Because, you know, that seems to be the consensus a lot of times with roadside crossings or if something is on the side of the road and people pass by.

There's that fleeting glimpse, and not really a fleeting glimpse, but I mean, there's just, you know, one, two, three, four seconds, and then it's over with. And I could see how you would look at that and go, I don't know. I'm not really sure what I saw. It wasn't a person, wasn't a bear. You know, like I said earlier, a lot of hunters say that. And I've had people. Yeah, definitely wasn't a bear. Yeah.

And definitely, definitely wasn't a bear. You know, a bear doesn't, you know, yeah, it walks on time feet for a little distance. This was walking up the road like me and you would walk up the road. You know, it just, if, no, I put my, my truck, my house on it, wasn't a bear. You know, I don't want to hear the bears or, you know, yeah, okay, black bears, because that's where we have. That's what we have attention to being, the black bears. They come in a couple different color phases. you don't see it so much in Pennsylvania.

You're more up cold Canada. You see like a cinnamon or a blonde or something like that. But, you know, it wasn't no bad. And it wasn't a person. Yeah, no, and I understand it. It wasn't a person. And I've always said, I think it's going to be some poor guy an electric car that hits one of these things because they won't even hear it.

You know, they probably won't even hear their car coming. But it's interesting with Sasquatch, a lot of times they don't really seem to be too shook up when a car comes by. There's a lot of encounters where they'll cross right in front of a car. And a car doing 40, 50 miles an hour, they'll step out and cross right in front of it. And it's the behavior that you describe, it's, you know, any other known animal, whether it be predator or prey, would generally, you would think would bolt the moment a car is coming up. I mean, I know dears will run across in front of your path, but most predators won't. I have never had a predator cross in front of me like that.

And you would have known right away if it was a bear, just the way they move and you're an outdoorsman, you know. You're a hillbilly like me, you know. Oh, yeah. I mean, I've camped in bear country. I've hunted in bear country. I've seen bears in the woods. I mean, I've seen deer in the woods, elk, you know, turkey is bobcat, pyote. You know, and I've never said, well, what the hell is that?

You know, I don't have an explanation for it. Let me ask you, did your coworkers get a better look at it, or did they pretty much see what you saw? Well, like I said, the people behind me said they didn't see anything. Now, my buddy in front of me, he just said that I saw a big brown thing walking up the road. That's exactly what I said. Like I said, he cut me off. He said, you mean that giant MF are walking up the road? And, you know, the kid I worked with, he's an OBS type of dude.

You know what I mean? You know, I believe he saw the same thing. I did. But when he saw it, it was on the right-hand side of the road. So in that couple hundred yards, it decided it was going to cross the road, you know, and why? I don't know. I, you know, I just don't know. But it was just, I mean, I come home and I told my girlfriend, I said, yes, I just saw a big point. She's like, yeah. I told her what, what I saw, just like I told you. She's like, well, babe, I don't know what you saw, you know. And like I said, my friend, as a borough police officer

in that borough I was going to and they laughed at me he laughs at me he goes to the Bigfoot hunting and saw him, let's go there you know, just you know, how your buddy's rigged you? Yeah. You know what I mean?

But it's just, do I believe in Big Florida? No, actually. I'm a 48-year-old man. I remember The Legend of Augie Creek and all those other movies on TV and in Sochell and all that stuff. I believe in that. And I believe in paranormal things

and physiological things. Have I ever had other experiences? I would say yes, but until more recently, I thought it was just something else. One night I was out fishing, and I heard something coming through the brush at me that sounded like,

I don't know if you've ever walked through kind of thick brush with hip boots on. Oh, yeah. But there was nobody there. there was no light, there wasn't anything, you know, deadly quiet, you know, by the, you know, by the lake and all that other stuff. Many, many years ago, I was at a high pile. We would shoot the Yawcdini River, my country door.

And we, my cousin, a friend of his and myself, walked back in these trails and something pushed over the tree. I mean, this was a long time ago. Like before I graduate high school, I'm 48, I graduated in 88. So probably when I was at least 16 years old, 15 years old, you know, a tree fell down. Well, now you, you know, now that I know more about Sasquatch research and, you know, behaviors, that could have been one pushing over a tree because we, you know, pissed it off enough that we were close. Two years ago, I had McCona's Mill State Park, I was fishing.

I got the creeps in the back of my head. I turned around and there was a big tree on this hill. The Cottle's Mill is a pretty, some parts of it are not remote, but it's pretty rugged territory and stuff. The hill was real steep and, you know, something was peeking out behind the tree looking at me. You know, but it was at a distance. You know, you can tell when something's peeking out, you know.

I've had another experience that I've had. I was older. I was probably 20 years old out of Moraine State Park fishing again. And we were night fishing. And something by people ran through the water. It sounded like a person running through like ankle deep water. There wasn't anybody else there. You know, night fishing, you have a light with you.

You have a flashlight to see where you're going in the wood. Right. No light, you know, no light, no anything. all of a sudden just whooes in sound through the water. When wasn't fish jumping, no birds are taken off from the water in the middle of the night. Yeah, just doesn't make sense. Yeah, the thing is right doesn't make sense. Those are the experiences I've had, but the most recent experience and the closest up one was walking up the side of the road.

You know, I went back there to, was it a couple days after it, and myself and a big four researcher looked around, and he took some pictures. truth. That was the last time I heard anything about it. Yeah. I explained my story to a couple of different people, like Tony and, you know, people that he knows. And, you know, I mean, I think they believe in me.

You know, I mean, I know what I saw. Yeah. I know. I absolutely know what I saw. Yeah. And I think that's the encounter most people want, you know, they don't want to be out there hunting and have one come running up to your tree stand. I think most people would want to be in a car, you know, seeing these things.

But in the same breath, it's frustrating because, you know, it's a quick glimpse of just that moment of what the heck was that. Yeah, you know, I mean, you know, I didn't have my camera, you know, I didn't have my phone out or any kind of crazy stuff like that. You know, I couldn't even, I pretty much would have to go up the road a couple hundred yards to even turn around. Turning around just didn't come into my brain. You know what I mean? No, I understand. I understand. You know, I kind of wish I would have, you know, but like I said, the people behind me said they didn't see anything.

You couldn't miss that thing walking beside the road. Yeah, it makes you wonder if it stepped off and took off into the brush by the time that third car got to it. Like I said, there's a power line that runs through there north to south. And, I mean, there's woods there and a fire line. And from my understanding, they kind of like to walk on power lines. Well, I think it's the same. standing guy kind of yet. Yeah, I think it's a theory a lot of people have.

It's kind of the same theory as railroad tracks or walking out on a road. A lot of the crossings, and I keep saying roadside crossing, but you know what I mean? When people see them on the side of the road, generally it's at night. And I think that they use it for it's a quick, easy way to travel. If I was out traveling and I came across some train tracks, I would follow the train tracks because you don't have to go through the brush. It's a quick, easy path. same thing with the power lines, same thing with the road.

There's definitely a lot of theories on it. But I really appreciate coming on, Doug, and talking about it. It's a fascinating account. It's something I think most people, that would be the encounter I think most people would want. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know how it would affect me if I'm in my bow stand and, you know, a seven-and-a-half-foot monkey for a better term stands there and looks at me.

You know, I think I might be a little bit scared. Yeah. You know what I mean? But, I mean, well, that's the experience I have, man. And, I mean, I put my hand on a Bible. And, you know, right up the road from me, the guy that does polygraphs for the Pennsylvania State Police, you know, put me on the box. Yeah. No, I believe me.

I believe it. You know, what you said? Am I saying that I saw a big foot? I'm leaning that way, but definitely wasn't no big. tall tan person walking up the road because if it was, I want to be his agent in basketball. Yeah. No, I hear you. Well, thanks again, Doug.

Oh, yes, sir. No problem, man. And we'll get to John in a moment. But next up on the show, I want to welcome Matt. Matt, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me on, Wes. I'm a huge fan of listening since pretty much the very beginning. And, yeah, thank you very much.

It's a great honor to be on here. and to talk to you tonight. Yeah, like I always say, the honor's mind having you on. And for the audience, if they go to Matt Squatch Presents on YouTube, I had posted two of your encounters to Sasquatch Chronicles.com. So if people get a chance, Matt Squatch Presents,

and I'll include a link in the show, subscribe, like, and I always appreciate anyone putting out content. If you would, Matt, for the audience, Could you kind of start from the beginning? Let's kind of walk into your, there's two main encounters. And then we'll get to some other things. But walk us into the first one.

Well, the first one happened in the spring of 2013. This happened in the southeastern sierras in a little town called Springville. There's like 11 or 1,200 people in this town. My father-in-law owns 15 acres. And it's kind of rolling hill farmlands with oak trees. And it's like I said, it's just west of Sequoia National Park and National Forest. So it's really cool up there because if you just go for a drive up the road that the house is off, you know, you drive past where my father-in-law's property, about 10 or 15 minutes up the road. And all of a sudden, boom, you turn a corner and you're into redwoods in the Sequoias.

And it turns into like lush forest from all the oak trees. It's kind of a cool place. He's got a little two-bedroom, one bath house with some old barns on it. And it doesn't, you know, maybe a few times a year we go up there and hang out and have funds. But it's really, it's really out there in the boondocks. And we've been kind of going up there for years. And this was just a trip. This was me and my brother-in-law Ben before we had kids and had a lot of free time.

I think we just went up there in the spring. I want to say it was like in April. And we just did our typical thing where we, you know, build a campfire, drink some beer, go tromp around in the woods. and we can shoot right off the porch because it's all private property. So we would maybe shoot some 22s or something like that and just kind of have a good time. So both of us are hunters. I'm not a very big hunter. It's not like a huge thing, but it's something I'm mildly interested in.

I don't mind going dove hunting or going deer hunting every now and then. I'd say I'm not a very good hunter. But yeah, so this night we decided to go up to Fire Road, which is about 15 minutes away from the property, which is on this road that the house is off of. And there's just a little forest service gate there and a little turnout in your park. And it's kind of in what you would think of the deep dark woods. It's kind of dense overgrowth. And there's sequoia trees and ferns and all this stuff growing.

It's pretty thick, pretty cool place. And then you walk probably half mile down this fire road. And then it kind of starts to open up. And then it kind of starts to go back into oaks and squirrel. rub and more deciduous trees. And you can also tell there's a lot of cow pies around at cowlicks. I guess it's like BLM National Forestland. And we've hunted birds and deer and other stuff there over the years.

And well, on the property itself is just kind of down the road. It's just kind of downhill from here. We've had some weird things happen in the past. I don't know. I'll get into that stuff later. But so this night we decided we had our hunting licenses. In California, you can hunt coyote. year round. It was in the evening before it got dark. And we walked down this road and we found

this clearing and we sat under this big oak tree that sent on a lot of clearing and a little hill that's in this clearing and it's kind of surrounded by the mountain. Kind of this big slope clearing, this big area. And we're sitting under this big oak tree and it's got all this leaf litter on the ground and dead grass and everything else. So you can really like if you, I think I was hiding behind between like a tree and like a bush. And I think he was hiding behind a bush too. And we were all camoed out and war painted up because we're a bunch of guys in the woods and we like that kind of stuff. And Ben had a little coyote bait attractant thing. It looked like a, it looked like one of those Daniel Boone Davy Crockett hats, but it had a little motor in it and it bounced around. And I guess that looks like a tail whipping around. And I guess it's really common for coyote hunters. never been coyote hunting. I really didn't have that much of an interest in it. I just kind of wanted to go. I didn't have an interest in actually shooting a coyote, but Ben was into it, and I said, yeah, let's go sit in the wood with our guns. That sounds like fun. So we're sitting there,

and he also has this coyote call, which I remember way, way back, you had a coyote call on a guy who called in a dog man. I do remember that episode, and kind of in retrospect, that was a little scary. But yeah, I remember he had this coyote call and he put this speaker 30, 40 feet away and he got this little remote control and it puts out like a horrible wounded rabbit

sound and a dying cow sound and a wounded deer fawn and he's rat rat, rat, rah, he's horrible, horrible you know, like you ran over a cat kind of sounds. And I remember we're just kind of sitting there and we're just kind of enjoying

nature and, you know, we can hear this little coyote call thing is loud. And I remember it was kind of echoing off the mountain. You could kind of hear, because it would kind of call in burst. I could just hear it echoing all across the mountain and then down the mountain and then down to the canyons. And I could just hear it echoing a long way. And I remember something crossing my mind going, predator call, predator call. Yeah, predator call. We're making hurt animal sounds. Okay. And we're on this clearing. It's kind of dusk. We're a million. miles from anywhere.

It just kind of seemed like it kind of, you know, kind of raised a little red flag in my head. And I was just kind of like, oh, you know, you're fine. You're never going to run into anything. You know, I mean, to be honest, I was aware of Bigfoot. I had heard the stories at that point. And it was kind of a little into it at that point. But I was like, it's not going to happen to me. Nothing like that's going to happen.

I was actually more concerned about bears because we've been on this fire road a bunch of times and seen, you know, fresh bearscat and seen the prints and seen where they tore open trees and big old paw prints and the trail camera on our property, which is 15 minutes a road, we've seen bobcats and mountain lions on there, and we've seen snakes and, I mean, we've seen everything that lives in the woods up there. So I'm kind of really like, kind of more or less thinking about all that kind of stuff, and I don't want to get into a bear, and we don't have bear tags, and I don't want to shoot one. And I'm like, well, we'll just see it happens. The odds are, I guess, pretty low. So we're kind of sit there, hunkered down underneath this

big oak tree that's kind of draped over us and riding behind our bushes and tree trunks. And I could kind of hear in the leaf litter and in the grass behind me, I could kind of hear something like crunching around. If you've ever been in the woods, though, especially in the fall, I know this was the spring, but I don't know, with the exception to this last winter, the last few winters in California. We really didn't have a winter. This bro is really super dry. When I remember that spring, it was really dry out, especially for spring. You could hear the crunching in the grass. And you've ever been in the woods, a squirrel going through the underbrush sounds like a fright train. So you really just hear everything. Yeah, you really, it's amazing,

especially when you're hunting and you're all hyped up and you're all tunnel vision going through the woods. You hear a squirrel come prancing along and it sounds like, you know, sounds like Jurassic Park is coming at you. And it's really just. a squirrel or something. Yeah. Yeah, so we're sitting there, and I remember hearing something behind me, and it kind of shuffling around going through the underbrush, and I'm like, well, maybe we're calling in a coyote,

but it's kind of behind me, and I'm like, well, it's behind me. We got guns. I think I had an AR-15 with me, and I had a flashlight on it. It was kind of a tactical gun. I think Ben had an ensemble lever-action rifle. I don't really remember. I guess it's not all that important other than to say that we didn't have moose guns with us, they're pretty light rifles, which, you know, having a small gun is better than no gun at all, I guess.

But anyway, so we're sitting there and I kind of hear this thing behind me, something behind me kind of crunching around. And the tree's kind of on top of this little hill in the middle of this clearing. And we're kind of looking out to the main part of the clearing. And we're sitting there, and it's getting dark, and it's getting right at that point to where you almost wish it was dark because then you could go flashlights and see better. and it's kind of not exactly daylight and we know we got to wrap up hunting because you can't hunt after dark anyway. So we're kind of sitting there and all of a sudden I hear a whoosh come like right over my shoulder. And it was a rock probably, I don't know, roughly the size of a football, somewhere between like a football and a soda can. Pretty good size rock.

It flies right by my head and lands right next to my foot. I was just like, I freaked out. I froze. And I kind of like whipped around. I didn't really see anything. And I was like, what was that? Ben hops up and he's like, did you see that coyote? And I'm like, what are you talking about?

There's a rock here. And I always thought his response was very odd that he said, did you see that coyote? And I'm like, did I hallucinate this rock? You see this rock? It wasn't here a second ago. And he goes like, yep, that's a rock. Let's go, Matt. And he didn't say a word.

He didn't acknowledge it. He didn't do. He didn't say, well, that's odd or what's going on behind us? No, he just said, well, let's go. And I think he, like, at a very fast walk, damn near a jog, went and collected his coyote stuff. And we were walking up the road back to the truck, which to this day, whenever I tried to talk him about it, he was just kind of has this like, yeah, I don't know. I guess it was a weird experience. And I'm like, Ben, what throws rocks in the woods?

Bears don't throw rocks. you know, eagles and condors don't drop rocks out of the sky. And he's just kind of like, yeah, well, I still say it was a coyote that ran between us. And I'm like, you mean a rock that flew next to my head? And he's like, yeah, I guess. He just doesn't really want to talk about it. But we're on our way back to the truck. And we're kind of shuffling along.

We kind of hear something behind us. And we keep turning around. I think Ben's got a pocket flashlight. And I've got a little flashlight on my rifle. I think it was just a little cheapy flashlight that I think I got a scoping and bolted to my AR-15 trying to be cool. And I remember we kind of turn around, we'd stop, we'd both kind of look behind us, we kind of look along the road, we'd look back down the road, wouldn't really see anything. We'd go another 20 or 30 yards and we would definitely hear something crunch, crunch, crunch coming up the road or skipping, like kind of like crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, kind of just this really weird walking pattern like something was following. us and we kept turning around and I think at one point we were even like hello and we didn't really

hear anything and it's kind of you know when we would turn around it would stop we kept going up the road going up the road and then we just we just kept hearing it like pacing us the whole time and it was very odd it was sending up a you know the hackles on the back of my neck and it was just a very strange experience and um we got back in the car and I was like so ben what do you think was going on with that and he was really just super tight tight lip about the whole thing he didn't really want to talk about it and i'm trying to like what do you think what do you think because i'm thinking i was actually thinking it was bigfoot because or somebody playing a prank on us which i find unlikely because i don't know about you but i would never want to throw rocks at a bunch of guys with

guns no um makes no sense yeah it it doesn't really unless in all of we've been back there for years i've never come across anybody's pot farm or any elite you know and there's no reason for for somebody to be back to harassing us, and it's public land, and it's kind of in the middle of nowhere. And was it this experience that really sparked your interest in Sasquatch? Was it this particular incident? You know, I kind of had an interest in it before that, just kind of like, I've always been into the paranormal.

I always been into, like, ghost and strange things and stories, but it was always just kind of like have a beer, have a glass of wine, hear a story, or watch one of, you know, one of old Discovery Channel shows or documentary and go, huh, that's kind of a head scratcher. But yeah, when this happened, it kind of brought it to a whole new level to me. It was kind of like, okay, something happened. I don't know what it is. I've gone over everything in my mind a million times. I can't forget what this is.

And the only clear explanation at the time was maybe there's something to this stuff. I mean, we're in the middle of the Sierra's. Big Foots are kind of known to be here. So it seemed like a pretty logical, conclusion that was like if you're going to keep an open mind about this stuff and then it's kind of you know you kind of go on this downward spiral where you start looking at every video out there you start hearing recordings you start hearing testimony after testimony start listening to like your show and everything else on youtube and it's just like you know like in court they call a ponderance of

evidence and it's kind of you have a realization of wow we're really not there we're really not alone out there in the woods yeah you're right and you brought up a good point too you know i've always said, if you want to bring one of these things in, the wounded prey calls are a great way to start, or a baby crying is a great way to start because you're going to get their attention. They're going to come in. The problem is, is every other predator is going to come in and check out, see what's going on if they think it's a quick, easy kill, quick, easy meal. I would imagine Cougar and everything else would come in.

How many years later was your second encounter? Well, my second encounter was actually that same year. but it was, I don't know, five, six hundred miles away. It was in a completely different mountain. Yeah, so back to that where that happened in Springfield, just really, really in Springville where that happened again. It was just kind of, it was one of those epiphanies later on that I had the hair standing on my neck and you ever get one of those like you see in a movie,

oh, I've got a bad feeling about this. Well, when we were last seen a predator call, I remember that going through my head, like predator call. I've got a bad feeling about this. And yeah, it's kind of funny how you brought up the baby crying. I remember way back on one of your episodes you were talking about how you were playing a baby crying out in the woods and it really got their attention. I'm sure it wouldn't just be Bigfoot either, like you were saying. I'm sure it would just be any kind of creditor out there.

Yeah, no, absolutely. Actually, before we get into your second encounter, do you saw lights at this first place? Or was that a different situation? No, no, no, this is the same place. This was in, out the boondocks of Springville, my father-in-law's property. Like I said, he's got 15 acres, and it's pretty open clearing, surrounded by woods and the mountains. I'll have to send you some pictures or something to post to the website, so people have a little bit of that kind of a reference point. But you can sit there on the porch and barbecue and see everything.

Well, it was actually this very same trip. It was kind of a weird trip. Ben and I are sitting there on the porch. We're looking off the porch. and about 200 yards away, I think we measured it for shooting. There's a tree line, and then in this tree line is a steep hill. And on the other side of the hill is a neighbor's property. His house isn't anywhere near a line of fire for shooting anybody who's worried about that.

But yeah, it's an open clearing, and it kind of starts going up this hillside, and about 200 yards away, there's this really thick tree line. And there's like a barbed wire fence. Well, behind that barbed wire fence is where the trees are. And I remember we've shot birds before, you know, shot dove or gone squirrel hunting. And if one ends up back there, you're never going to get it. I mean, it is just like unbelievably thick brush trees and stickers and everything else. I mean, you would literally have to like army crawl your way through this stumb to get.

And it is not something you can just go tromp through. And there's poison oak and a million reasons why you don't want to crawl through there. It's pretty nasty, you know, because it's the back part of a property between ours and the neighbor's property that, no one ever up keeps. It's just overgrown woods. And we're sitting there on the porch. And all of a sudden, it's dark just later at night. I think we're having a cocktail or two.

And we're kind of just sitting there enjoying our time in the woods. And I'm like, hey, Ben, do you see that? And he's like, what, that light up there? And I'm like, yeah, the light kind of on the hill in the tree line. And I'm like, what do you think that is? He's like, it's a reflection. And I'm like, uh, maybe, but what could be reflecting? we've been up there.

And he's like, well, it's moving and it's kind of flickering. And we're looking and I'm like, we have one little porch light on. We don't have anything bright enough to reflect that there's nobody else around. And I'm like, Ben, you've been in that brush briar patch thing before up there. You're never going to, you know, no one's going to go walking through there. It almost looked like a headlamp moving through slowly through this trees. And we could kind of shine our brightest spotlights and flashlights and we couldn't really see anything. it was just this light moving through the trees.

It was very odd. It was a dull yellow light. It kind of looked like you've ever seen in a movie like the guy's going through a cave with like a porch in his hand. Yeah. It looked like like yellow fire, like a yellow fire, but more like in a ball. And it was just kind of slowly drifting through the woods. And it was past the fence line.

And the fence line is a hill. And Ben's like, are we seeing Bender's house? And I'm like, no, there's like a big hill between us and Bender's property who's who's the neighbor up there. And I'm like, no, no, no. Let me ask you, how big was it? Was it about the size of a headlamp? You know, I was thinking it was a headlamp,

but from 200 yards away to be as big as we saw it, it would have to be the size of like a basketball or maybe even up to a beach ball because it looked, it was pretty, it was bright and visible, but it wasn't, it was kind of a dull light. I know that doesn't make sense. Like if you think of a big dull light.

Yeah, no, it does make sense. I saw something very similar here in Washington State. And I thought it was someone when we were out on the Browns property, it was like 2 o'clock in the morning. And I had seen it was a dull light, you know, and it was about the side. It reminded me of someone with the headlamp on and just kind of the way it was moving. It was almost like someone had a headlamp on. They were making their way through heavy brush, you know, the way it would kind of bob. But it wasn't a headlamp.

Yeah. And that's the other thing, too. the way that sound carries up there, if it had been somebody in this brush, as thick as it was, we would have heard them crashing around, but it was just this silent light in the hillside. It kind of reminded me,

have you ever seen a campfire or a beach fire from like 200 yards away? Kind of like that, but it was a lot more contained, and it was just finally going to the woods. And I remember Ben and I just kind of going like, oh, that's something you don't see every day. And, you know, after the Bigfoot thing earlier,

and it was kind of like, well, this is turning out to be a little bit of a strange trip. And it was like, did something follow us or what is it? You know, and this mountain, if people want to look it up, it's called Battle Mountain, is the name of it. And I guess way back in the 1800s, there was some Calvary Indian battle up there. And I guess it didn't go too well for the Indians like it typically does in history, which is kind of sorry to say. But I guess there's history. There's actually been Sasquatch sightings.

That name rings a bell, Battle Mountain. I think I've read encounters off that mountain. Yeah, if you go on the BFRO website, now the BFRO website, I talk to a lot of people about this. It's a great reference point to start, but I think if you look up a county and they have, you know, 10 encounters, you've got to think there's probably been a thousand encounters. You know, it's just how many people report them or where do they report them to, you know?

Yeah, of course. But if you go to, if you go to Tulari County and, you look at reports, half those reports are from that same area going way back. I think moving back to the 50s and stuff like that. There's a lot of Bigfoot reporting. And it's about, I don't know, 15 or 20 miles from Lake Success, which is kind of a reservoir dam. And if you've ever seen the Harryman Caves, where they have kind of like this, I think it's like red and yellow cave drawings of what looks to be like a Bigfoot. That's right.

Yeah, that's like right around the corner. like within a few miles from where this all took place. So the history is really rich up there with big foot and strange things and Indian stories. And I remember that I forget the name of the tribe. I'm sorry, but I remember the stories being about, oh, don't go in the woods because the hairy man will get you. And these cave drawings are of the hairy man. And yeah, it's all kind of interesting when you start putting these pieces and kind of putting

these puzzle pieces together. Well, do this for me, Matt. I know, again, the YouTube channel is Matt Squatch presents for the audience out there. Definitely go check it out. Tell us about your second encounter. Well, my second encounter happened in Idaho, Wild, California, which is the San Jacinto Mountains, however you want to think about it. If you're going east on the 10 towards Arizona from California, you're going to drive through this valley where Palm Springs is. everybody's heard of Palm Springs. The left side is a big giant mountain range. It has a big bear and

arrowhead. And on the right side, it's kind of lesser known is where Ottawa Wild and Pine Cove and a bunch of little mountain communities are. And my family owns a cabin up there. And it's around 6,000 feet in elevation. And a really pretty big mountain range, if you look at it from an aerial view or if you tried to drive around it or been up there. And there's, yeah, it's a pretty big place. And what makes it interesting is we've been going up there for years. And I kind of read some reports on BFRO and different things like that. There's not too much going on up there.

I mean, there's a few reports from the Idaho side of the mountain. But what made fall of 2013 when we were up there in November is earlier in that year, July, we had a big, big fire. It was called the Mountain Fire. I think there's like a Wikipedia article. And I think it was like 26,000 acres, some giant amount of woods burned up there. And I remember it was pretty dramatic because at July, my father and I, we hopped in the pickup truck and drove up there. And we had to like, you know, stop at the checkpoint and show them, hey, we own a house. And they let us in to go gather belongings and get stuff out of there. Meanwhile, there's like the big DC-10s flying over and water-dropping helicopters. and smoke's pouring over the side of the mountain.

It was really pretty dramatic. Thankfully, our house didn't burn down or didn't really get to where we were. It was just kind of a scary situation. Well, fast forward to November, which is three, four, five months later, or four months later from July. And my wife and I are up there. It's just me and her, and we have two dogs with us. We have Rusty, who's an old golden retriever, and Sparky, who's a Beagle.

and if you know Beagles, they're kind of a handful. And we're up there. We're sleeping in the spare bedroom, a little queen-sized bed. I think we got both dogs with us, and they're kind of laying on the floor. We don't let the dogs into bed with us because they're too big. And, yeah, it was up there. It was a quiet day. I think we just kind of did our normal cabin stuff where you build a fire and roast marshmallows in the fireplace

and sit down on the porch and have a drink and watch the sunset. and let the dogs run around. It wasn't anything out of the ordinary that trip. One thing that we did do is we did go up and go for a drive down towards Lake Hemet, which is a little lower kind of on the backside of the mountain through some of the hills there. And we could see big giant patches of land where the fire had come through and really kind of surprised you because it was just you'd stop at a clearing and you'd look out and it'd just be as far as you could see black and nothing. You know, I mean, it was a pretty, pretty devastating forest fire.

Luckily, the side that we were on stayed pretty good. And the little sleepy town of Idaho Wild stayed pretty clear of it too. But, yeah, so we went to bed that night. We're just sleeping there in bed. And both dogs are there. You know, on the right side of the bed, I was sleeping on the right side of the bed, which is right next to the window. And the dogs are sitting there.

And in the middle of the night, I think I'm pretty, pretty sound asleep. I hear a, a boom, a big thud on the side of the house. I mean, it like shook the house, shook the window. And I come sitting up like, whoa, what was that? What was that? And I could kind of hear something like moving around, maybe even slightly like brushing up against the side of the house. This is a corner bedroom and the house is built on a hill.

So it's like a two-story house, but the way it's built on a hill, it's kind of hard to explain. There's an upstairs and the downstairs, but you could go downstairs. and walk to the upstairs, but never actually take any steps because it's built on the hill. I don't know. It's kind of hard to explain. But we're there in the spare bedroom. I hear this big wamp. And I bolt upright. I'm like, what is that? And then I notice both dogs are kind of just, they're kind of just whimpering.

They're kind of cowering, which is not like these dogs. These dogs are like, if you get them up, they're like, play, eat, go outside. And, you know, they're not like that, usually. and I just remember hearing something moving around outside and I just, my heart's pounding, the hair is the back of my neck. I get this really sick feeling. I was kind of a little freaked out during the hunting trip when we're up there. It was kind of like, well, it was that.

This time, though, I had the feeling of dread, like heart pounding, like horror movie. I had a really, really bad feeling. It was just why I can't explain it. I know Bigfoot researchers or research. researchers, enthusiasts, people who study this stuff, they talk about infrasound. I don't know what it was, but it was definitely this heart pounding, heart pounding out of my chest, dread feeling. The dogs were freaked out. By this time, my wife's up, and she's like, what's going on? I thought I heard something. And I'm just, and I'm like, I don't know, honey. Did you hear that? She's like, I don't know. I thought

I heard something. What's going on with the dogs? And I'm like, there's something outside. Be quiet. So I work up all the nerve in the world that I have to look out of that window. And it's got these horizontal blinds. And my heart's pounding and I lift up the blinds. I don't really see anything. There's nothing really moving around. It's quiet. There's these little Malibu lights plugged in along the driveway,

little solar powered lights. They don't really do much as far as illuminate, but it's something. I don't see anything. I can kind of, you know, as soon as I look out the window, everything kind of goes quiet, the dogs go quiet. So I kind of sit back down. I kind of just crawl back into bed. My heart's pounding.

I don't know what to do at this point. I can kind of hear a little bit more movement. And then I don't hear anything else. It kind of goes away. I don't think I slept the rest of that night, to be honest. It's one of those things where I don't think I fell asleep until I got light out. Then you wake up and you're all tired in the morning. I think it was one of those kind of situations.

So the next part of it is in the morning. When you got dogs, you got to let them out. So they got to go do their business. this. I get up and Teresa's kind of like, well, what was that? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm trying to think logically. I'm like, maybe it was a mountain lion. Maybe it was a bear. They don't really have bears in Idaho wild. It's not like big bear where they got lots of bears. Every once in a blue moon, I take it. A bear wanders over across the desert and actually wanders up there. But bears are incredibly rare in Idaho wild. But there are tons of mountain lions. I've seen two in the years I've been up there. we've seen bobcats there's more coyotes the coyotes are like mice and squirrels up there everywhere there's tons of mice

tons of squirrels lots of raccoons everything you can imagine in the width there's pretty much up there so I'm thinking well maybe there was a mountain lion but I'm like well mountain lines don't really thump on houses I've never heard and I don't think they would have the physical weight to put in what I heard thump on the house

anyway I let the dogs out the next morning Normally these dogs go tearing off and they go run around like you've ever had a couple of stupid dogs. They go running off into woods and they go do their business and pee and sniff around and chase each other and you call them and they ignore you. It's kind of the same thing you always do with dogs. But this was not the case. We were up there and the dogs kind of walked down the porch. They walked about the five steps down the porch and right there on the concrete where the driveway is. they just kind of both squatted, did their business, and they were very acute.

They were, their ears were forward, their eyes were forward, they're kind of looking up the hill, they're kind of looking around. And I'm like, come on, you guys want to go? Let's go for a walk. And they're like, very odd. And by this point, the woods are like dead silent. Like, I don't hear cars driving up. I don't hear the squirrels.

I don't hear birds. Maybe just a very slight rustling from the trees. the dogs are still really freaked out, which is still kind of got me a little bit freaked out. I'd kind of calm down by that point. I kind of reestablish the pucker factor, if you know what I mean. Yeah. So I kind of looked at the corner of the house. It's really dry, packed dirt there.

With the exception of this year, it was really wet. But the years previous, it was so dry up there. And this being November after a bad dry season, there wasn't any way it was going to leave Prince. But I was looking for sign, looking for something. And I didn't really see anything. Yeah, it's frustrating not be able to see what was causing it. Was it the only one time that this happened there at the place?

Well, at the cabin, yes. This was really only the one time that I experienced something. But later on that day, after I let the dogs out the first time, we went back inside and made breakfast. We like a couple hours later. I take them back out. I want to go for an honest walk. I want to take a look around.

And at this point, I'm kind of direction. dragging the dogs along. You know, they didn't really want to go. They were a little more enthusiastic. And I'm walking by the neighbor's house, which is probably 75 yards down the road, and they're loading up a car. And to kind of just give him a nod, give him a nod. But I hear him talking to each other because one guy's kind of looking around.

He's going, what was that last night? And he's talking to somebody else up there. And I kind of over here. I don't know. Something was dropping around out here. Oh, it's us and those other people over there. I don't know. Something was out here last night stomping around, looking around.

And I kind of overheard that. and I should have stopped and talked to him, but I don't know. I guess I just didn't want to bother them. So later on, we're getting ready to go. This was a Saturday night, so I think it was Sunday morning. Usually we'd come home on a Sunday. It was like Sunday around midday. I think we're loading up the car.

And my wife and I are out by the car in a driveway. And this is where things really get odd. I start, it starts raining, you know, it's like a little bit like the trees are kind of rustling in the breeze and it starts raining acorns. Like I hear an acorn drop next to me. I hear one kind of don't bounce off the car. I'm kind of just standing there weird and the dogs are doing their thing where they're staring straight up the hill.

They're staring straight up the hill and they're all acute and they're kind of whining, whimpering again. And my wife's looking at me like, look at the acorns and I'm like, we're not even underneath an oak tree or underneath a cedar tree. Where are these acorns coming from? And it was right around that time of us going, wow, this is weird. I see an acorn coming at me, but it's not falling down. It's coming in at like, you know, like a line drive.

It's coming in at me at like not a very steep angle, like it's being thrown. And it kind of misses me and falls to the ground and I hear it. And then a little while later, a pebble falls. And I'm like, what's going on? We're looking into trees. We're like, are there squirrels around here? What's going on? you know, there's not any real good cover nearby.

So if something was throwing them at us or if it was kids with a wrist rocket or something, they'd have to be pretty far away. And if it was kids with a wrist rocket, the dogs wouldn't be freaked out. They wouldn't probably run up to them. So it was just very odd. And I think by that point we're like, okay, let's lock the door. Let's get off this mountain. So, yeah, that was basically the second encounter.

The dogs were freaked out. And we had some acorns and little pebble thrown at us. Something thumped the house in the middle of the night. And, you know, normally I never really had, I've had a few odd experiences, I'd say paranormal wise at this cabin over the years, like years prior, but I've never had anything really Bigfoot related. Like I said, I know on the BFRO, or if you Google it, there have been a few sightings. The only thing I can think of is if these creatures are real, which I think of Ron has show, we can say that they are, that because of the big fires, I think they were displaced. I think they were looking for food. I think they're looking for water.

I think all their traditional, you know, because if you look at Idaho and Panko, all these communities are, you see that there's like one side of the mountain has all the people, and the backside of the mountain is just mountain. It's just hundreds and hundreds of thousands of acres of just trees and bushes. And I think they kind of, if they're up there, they probably keep to themselves. When it gets cold, they probably move down to the more deserty, high desert areas. And when it gets warm, they probably hike back up the mountain, just like most creditors do. And I think with all the fires, I think they were displaced was probably the only reason that they would be on the side of the people side, I think.

Or maybe they come around. I have no idea. No, it makes sense. I mean, you can look at, I remember one time I was looking at data here in Washington State. And there was a time period where there was almost no encounters reported on the east side of the state. And if you line that up to what was going on during that time, there was forest fires. because believe it or not here in Washington State. The east side of the state's nothing but a desert.

Yeah, that's what I've heard. The encounters, though, on the west side of the state almost doubled during that time. So, I mean, they're smart enough to get out of the area. It kind of makes sense that they would move out of that area, especially when a fire was in. That's probably why it came down. It was probably just checking the area out. Hard to say.

And it really, you know, it really got me into looking into Southern California because when you think of Southern California, you know, you kind of look at an overview. map and you kind of look at it, you're like, well, okay, this next mountain range over is Big Bear. Big Bear, that area, Arrowhead area, there's been a bunch of sightings up there over the years, okay? The mountain next to it, the one I've spent a lot of time in, San Yacinto National Forest and Idaho. Okay, there's a lot of sightings.

And if you look to the Los Angeles National Forest, which is really close to the city, there's even been a fair number of sightings there over the years, okay? You look down in Palm Desert, and if you Google the Yucca, man, there's stories of the 1970s of this blonde Sasquatch walking around down in Palm Springs. Okay. And you look down past down, down south where Anza Barago is and even further south, which is in San Diego County. You have the reports like, you know, if the people remember the Zubi stories with the doctor about the Bigfoot in his backyard and then, you know, all the paranormal stuff that the border patrol caught. And then I remember a few shows back, you had a guy who had a dogman encounter off of Highway 10,

which is just right down the mountain from where Ida Wild is. I mean, you kind of start putting all these pieces together, and it's like, wow, I think there's a lot of area here that these things move around in. And I think they migrate probably from the high desert on the backside towards San Diego and towards Julian down there in some mountain areas, and they probably move through Idaho Wilde and probably move through Big Bear, and they probably migrate all over the place. I'm sure they follow deer, and I'm sure they've got it figured out better than we do.

Yeah, no, and I would agree with you on that. And, well, I'll have to have you back, Matt, to talk about some of your paranormal encounters, but I wanted to ask you, what do you think Sasquatch is? I know you had two encounters where you obviously didn't see them, but it was in both situations that's like, well, what else could it be? But in your own personal opinion, what do you think Sasquatch is? Well, I knew you were going to ask me this question, so I actually thought about it quite a bit.

But from all the hundreds of encounters I've heard, from all the pictures and videos, I'm pretty much convinced that it's some kind of a human ape hybrid, like with the whole Melba Ketchum thing, like it's, I think it's mostly ape. I think if I had to break it down into percentages, because that's the only way that my mind could probably break it down, is I would say it's probably 80%, some kind of big ape, something related to, a mountain gorilla and a gigantic antipithecus. And then I think there's probably, you know, like, let's say 80%. So it's probably 18 or 19% human.

Because, you know, you get a lot of reports of these things being very human or doing very human things. And you get a lot of reports where they're like a big monkey. So I think they're probably 80% ape of some kind, 19% human. Then I think there's 1% of something that's very different with these things, whether people want to go down the road of the nephalum or genetic experiment or spirit animals that the natives talked about for thousands of years. There's something else with these things. There's just that 1% for the cloak stories or the eyes glowed back when I wasn't shining light on them.

It mine spoke to me to the parallel dimension stuff that Ron Morehead gets into. I think these things are a flesh and blood creature. I think they go to the bathroom. I think they eat. I think they sleep. I think they reproduce. I think they have families. But I think it's like if the paranormal is a pool, I think they got one toe or one foot, so to speak, in that pool.

There's something else about these things. Yeah. Something very strange about them, that's for sure. Well, I appreciate you coming on and talking about it, Matt. I'll definitely have to have you back. I'd love to hear some of the paranormal stories. But for the audience, go to Matt Squatch. presents on YouTube, subscribe, and like. What we're going to say, Matt?

Yeah, just real quick about that. I've only got a few videos up on YouTube. I originally just started it for something to do. But I'm going to look into a bunch of different subjects. I'm going to do one about all the different Bigfoot types, just different theories. I notice on YouTube there's a lot of people that do BFRO encounters or they recite other people's encounters. And those are really cool. I love hearing those. But I'm going to try to do some of my own original research. I'm going to try to do some expeditions. I'm going to try to take some pictures. I'm going to try to give my two cents on things and look at things logically. So, yeah, there's not much up there right now, but there's going to be a lot more to come.

Well, I'll be rooting for you. Thanks again for coming on, ma'am. Thanks, Wes. Anytime. And it was a great pleasure and an honor to be on. Thanks, Matt. The honor was mine. Next up on the show is John from Missouri. John, thanks for coming on. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, no, I appreciate you being here. Now, did your encounters happen in Missouri? Yeah, Missouri.

Okay. And if you would, maybe start with your very first one. I think you were 10 years older. It was 10 years ago. Actually, you weren't 10 years old. It was 10 years ago. If you would, just kind of walk us into what happened. Well, me and my friend was out late at night.

You just wander around getting, well, I don't think we really have analyzed. anything but we was just causing a little trouble a little bit and we was walking back to my house and about like halfway through this field which is a cornfield now is uh it was during uh winter months and uh I uh hard heavy foot falls every time we I stop it stop me and me my friend was stop and and the first time I looked back and I've seen the silhouette the mid the full moon was out and I've seen a silhouette of two big figures and behind us it's quite a ways off well yeah probably about probably about a hundred yards that that's what happened that time yeah and my second the second one it was last year and I

I seen, I was having a fire in the, I got a fire pit in the backyard, four acres, and I was having, I had a head lamp on, and I looked, I looked, like something said, looking behind, like, like, an eerie feeling, looking at me eye seeing, like, a red eye shine. There's one, there's one thing I know, is the, I can actually see, like, you know, like, you know, like, how your pupil is, like the color of your pupil. I can really see that red of that. That was pretty close. And were you able to see, I love your, I love the way you speak.

I could definitely listen to you all day long. And I don't know if it's the accent there in Missouri or not, John. But was that, so was it in the cornfield or was it by a corn? No, we grew corn in a garden. Oh, I got, John. Sweet corn and sweet corn and popcorn. We actually grew up popcorn. No kidding.

Wow. And how far away from you was the thing with the red eyes that you saw? It's about maybe not even probably 50, 100 feet away. Oh, wow. It wasn't half a part. Yeah, it was really close. Yeah, it was real close. Were the eyes glowing, or did they, was it more of, you know, reflection?

I thought it was a reflection I'm pretty sure it was I'm not for sure but I think it was because I had the head lamp on when I turned the head lamp actually hit that area Has this been going on for a long time around the house? No, no, I don't know

I noticed things I pay, I listen to you and actually kind of pay some things out where they kind of keep off my property And yeah, like game cameras, that does work. I know that. Game cameras, it does keep them off from off my property. Yeah, and so on two occasions you've seen kind of, was it more or less kind of outlines?

I realize it's at night. Yeah, it's outlines. Funny thing is, okay, I know you'd be careful what you wish for, but I actually want to see what the thing looks like. Yeah, well, I don't blame you. I don't blame you. The other question I wanted to ask you was about the lights. You had mentioned your email. You had seen strange lights.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Because I didn't hear, no, like, it wasn't no helicopter because the corn was knocked down and locked down in the pattern. And it wasn't no helicopter or nothing. And my game camera, because I could, after I seen that, the red eye, I seen that red eye shine a little bit. Before that, I put a game camera right point towards where I seen it at. And the game camera didn't capture anything. And then next day, it was on Marrtle helicopter flying real low.

I mean, real low. What did the light look like that you saw? It was like, like, it was this light. I don't know. It's kind of weird. It looked like flashlights, but I don't know. that ain't it either. There's different, like four different lights, like in the corn,

I seen it going around, around in the cornfield. I don't know if it's people or nothing. I don't know. I don't know if it's people or something landed in the corn, in my corn, or I don't know. I didn't really, I didn't really, I didn't really got to get, I didn't have the gut to really drive back there. Yeah. No, no, I hear you.

I hear you. It's, uh, there's a lot of strange things out there, isn't there? I mean, I get a lot of reports in Missouri a lot. And some of the people, I guess it depends on what. Oh, yeah. You know, you know, you heard, did you hear the cow mutilations from Missouri? Was that recently? No, it was a long while back.

It was in Ellsbury, Missouri. I live in that same county. Yeah, no, and that happened like back in what, the 70s and 80s, didn't it? Yeah, I think, yeah. It's a way back, but I heard that. I heard about it. I did my research. I don't a lot of research.

I heard a lot of people. Not a lot of research. Maybe you can solve something for me real quick. It's way off topic on this subject. But does it depend on what part of the state you're in? Some people, I'll say Missouri and people, some people will get upset with me and say it's Missouri, not Missouri. and then sometimes a nice... Yeah, I think that's more to, like, the Ozarks area,

like Southern Missouri, the Ozark Mountain area, we're called in the Boothills, Missouri. Well, I'm northern. I'm more northern eastern. I'm way above that area. Oh, I got you. So it's the Southern. Like they call a big, big foot, the Blue Man down there.

Do they really have never heard that before? Because Union Soldier. back way back in the day had the encounter with it. That's why they called the Blue Man. Really? That's interesting. I'd never heard that story before. So they had seen it back then.

They called it the Blue Man? Yeah, in Southern Missouri. And mostly where I'm located, and there's a county up north that Louisiana, Louisiana County, Missouri. And they had, they actually, they cast a three-toed print up there. that story. That happened a while back.

Yeah, I remember that. They call it up here, Momo. Yeah, that's right. They call it Momo. Yeah, there's a lot that goes on, definitely. And I think your first encounter, you know, when you ran into them and it was chasing you kind of what you described, you hear a lot of people say, when you stop, it stops, when you move, it moves. It's a very odd behavior, don't you think?

Yeah, that's odd. I know. I've seen, I even seen. It's a strange creature on the backroad before two. Oh, yeah. What did you see? Well, it was all in all. It was all fours, by as big as black. You know what?

And Black Bear ain't this far up north. They're more south in the Ozark Mountains in Missouri. And I didn't ever see, like, the head and, like, it was running on all four. I didn't ever see the head. I've seen, like, Black Bear run on TV in nature. It didn't run like that either And I didn't see no ears Or the head of it either

We drove by I drove by it I was like I didn't stop I kept on going And was this during the day John Or was this at night No it was during the nighttime It was on one of these back

Gravel roads out in this county Oh I got you I got you Well be safe while you're out there I'm glad you listen to the show It's it always cracks me up want to hear people say something I've said, like, be careful what you wish for. A lot of times I don't like anyone's paying attention, but I really appreciate you listening

to the show and sharing the encounters. And I love your accent, John. I just, I could sit and listen to you. I mean, you should do audiobooks, man. I could sit and listen to you all day long to tell the story. It's, you know, it's, but I appreciate you coming on. Yeah. Thank you. hat. Thanks, John. Best interview ever. God, I love that guy. I could sit and listen to him all day. If you've had an encounter, and you know, I'm probably going to bring John back on and get used to it. I literally could sit and listen to him all day long, tell stories. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone. and Wagering Week is your antidote.

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