Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:359 International Bigfoot Conference Overview

Episode Date: September 5, 2017

We will be wrapping up the broadcast with some of the speakers from the International Bigfoot Conference including Lyle Blackburn and Tom Sewid. We will also be speaking to some of the members and a special guest who will be sharing her experience at the conference and poker highlights! Most of the listeners know Tom Sewid here is some information on Lyle Blackburn. Lyle Blackburn is an author, musician, and cryptid researcher from Texas. His investigative cryptozoology books, such as "The Beast of Boggy Creek" and "Lizard Man," reflect his life-long fascination with legends and sighting reports of unknown creatures. During his research, Lyle has often explored the remote reaches of the southern U.S. in search of shadowy beasts said to inhabit the dense backwoods and swamplands of these areas. Lyle has been heard on numerous radio programs, including Coast To Coast AM, and has been featured on television shows such as "Monsters and Mysteries in America" and "Finding Bigfoot." Lyle is also a writer for the monthly horror magazine, Rue Morgue, and was recently featured in the documentary film, "Boggy Creek Monster." For more information, visit his website at: www.lyleblackburn.com

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me, and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house.

It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

You're listening to Souther. Saskwatch Chronicles. Check us out online at saskwatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. What do you laugh at my welcome? That's our welcome to the show. Welcome to the show.

How's everyone doing tonight? Thanks so much for being here. We are at the International Bigfoot Conference here in Kennewick, Washington, and having a great time. We'll try and talk a little closer into the mics. I know there's a lot of background noise. And on the show, I had Mark on the last episode, 357, Ape Canyon. You could hear a lot of the background noise,

so we'll try and cut some of that out tonight. But like I said before, I'm not Jesus. I can't fix everything. How you doing, Wood? I'm doing pretty well. Doing pretty well. Here we are Sunday, man. It's almost over.

We're at the tail end of the conference here. and boy what a conference it's been you know so so many greats here of so many authors and a lot of people man i really had a good time you know i really want to say thanks to russell too he really put on a good show do you think yeah no he did he put on a great show and i want to thank the members man do i have like the coolest audience ever or what that was pretty awesome yeah it was pretty awesome how members like avis and avis smoked her oh avis we'll have her on i and she'll be running around here yeah uh but she uh bluffed woody and poker and just She had me on a few hands, that's for sure.

She did. She was taking me out pretty quickly there for a little while. She was. You know what, though? She had me sold on a few hands. Like, I thought she had this straight. What you did, I would have done the same thing. Yeah.

I didn't know what to do. I mean, I was literally like shaking my head trying to figure out how she's, you know, just when I think I get her figured out, she does something completely different. Yeah. God, what a blast. Yeah, we had a great poker game last night. Members are awesome. The listeners are awesome.

Everyone's been so cool. You know, you get so much, sometimes you get so much crappy email from people. You know, I know I don't say certain words the right way, or I don't say it how you'd like me to say it. And then to come here, and it's just like, everyone's so nice and so cool. And you know, the one thing, not to go too off, but you know one thing that really shocked me is how much the show means to people. Like, I was really touched by that, how much it actually means to people. That's the one thing I heard over and over again, how much the show means to them. And, you know, I just want to thank the members for that, and the listeners, not just a member.

the listeners, everyone who's a fan of the show. Thank you so much. That was awesome. It really makes it all worthwhile, man. You know, you get a lot of negative feedback, but you come here and you have the people, the members and whatnot. Great people, great people. And they were real personable about it, too. You feel like some of, you know, a lot of the members, you feel like you've kind of known them your whole life and whatnot, you know, based on social media and on your website.

Yeah, so thank, yeah, thanks again to all the members for sure. Yeah, it was cool meeting. You know, you see their comments on the website, and it's kind of funny to put a face to the, you know, to it in person is what I'm trying to say. A face to the name. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And, you know, there were so many of them. And it was great playing poker with a lot of them last night because it was sitting down and we were able to talk about, you know, stuff that was on the website and certain things that had happened.

And you kind of got to learn a lot about the individuals, what they do for a living, what their families are. So, you know, who's in their family and how many children they have. So it was awesome. It was really cool. Yeah. Well, we'll be right back. I'll be coming back with Lyle Blackburn, and he is the author of Boggy Creek. We'll be talking about his movies and his books.

And they don't see if I can't grab some of the listeners. Throw them on the air. Why not? That'd be cool. That'd be really cool. We will be right back. After these words. After these words.

Well, I want to welcome Lyle Blackburn to the show. Lyle, thanks for coming on, man. You bet. Thanks for having me. No, I appreciate it. For the audience, if they get a chance, check out the Boggy Creek Monster. It's a movie that, Lyle, you produced that, didn't you? Yeah, I co-produced that with Seth Breedlove and the Small Town Monsters team,

which the movie was basically kind of springboard off my research into the Boggy Creek, the legend of Boggy Creek case. As far as making this movie, what was the most difficult part of making it? I think, you know... All of it? Yeah, I mean, there's challenges on the budget we're operating on, So you really have to be on point to have a good plan. You know, you've got to line up the witnesses.

And a lot of times, you know, getting people to come forward and speak on camera is a whole different thing. Because I had interviewed all of these witnesses in my book. But getting to become on camera is another thing. So you're going to finesse that. And then you've got to come down. You know, the guys came down from Ohio. And I took them to the locations where, you know, was relevant to what we needed to film. and some of those weren't easy to get to, you know, and it actually had been raining in the area, so it's muddy, and, you know, I got a four-wheel drive, but some of the rental vehicles couldn't get into the places where we needed to go, so, you know, you always have those challenges.

But, you know, that made it fun, and that made it real, and, you know, it kind of comes out, it comes across as authentic in the film. And I know you had played it last night at the dinner. I had actually seen it before. It's actually a really good movie. But for the audience, where can they get a copy of it? Right now you can get it on Amazon. It's kind of an on-demand type thing. It's been running on Amazon Prime, so if you have Prime, you can just watch it through that. But normally, you know, you can always rent it through Amazon and Vimeo, which is an on-demand type thing.

And then if you go to Smalltown Monsters.com, you can get a hard copy of the DVD. It's about to be released through a new distributor, so it'll probably be in some more places for streaming and things like that in future. Yeah, Boggy Creek Monster. If you get a chance to check it out, and I'm actually holding two of Lyle's books, beyond Boggy Creek and the beast of Boggy Creek. And, God, these are beautiful books, man. These are really nice, but whoever did this artwork is. Oh, thank you.

Yeah. Where can people get a copy of this? You know, you can always find my stuff on my website, Lyle Blackburn.com. But, of course, they're available worldwide on Amazon. and, you know, Barnes & Noble.com and whatever flavors in the Kindle and the iBook and all that sort of thing. So if you just search Lyell Blackburn, you can easily find my books. Yeah, and Lyle, would you tell us a little bit about the Beast of Bogie Creek for listeners who may not be familiar with it? Well, the Beast of Boggy Creek, which was my first book, was my research on the history of sightings of a creature in southern Arkansas.

and this was made famous by a movie in the 1970s called The Legend of Boggy Creek. And the Legend of Boggy Creek, you can think of that as sort of the equivalent to the modern-day Blair Witch Project. It was made for a shoestring budget and then went on and got theatrical distribution and played in theaters and drive-ins on television and ended up making millions of dollars. And apparently everybody has seen it of a certain age because, you know, countless people come up to me and say, oh my God, I saw it. the Legend of Boggy Creek and then specifically, you know, to the Bigfoot community, this was an inspiration to a lot of folks back at the time. You know, they saw the Patterson Gimlin film. They saw the movie Mysterious Monsters they liked in search of and they also saw the legend of Boggy Creek. And I was one of those who saw it as a really young kid and I live in Texas, so it's close to my

area. So as an adult and kind of looking in Bigfoot research, I wanted to know what was true about that. Thank you. Thank you. If you can hear that. Wild Blackburn, everyone. Take it easy. Let it finish, folks.

So, yes, thunderous applause. And so, you know, as a research and sort of an investigative journalist in this field,

I just wanted to know what was true about it because a lot of it was, thank you, thank you. This is a mess, man. It was based on true accounts, kind of, the movie is kind of a docudrama horror film type thing, but it's got reenactments, you know,

and the voices of the folks who had these encounters. It was just an amazing movie. I mean, it's kind of dated now, but at the time it was a big deal, and it was just a big spark of interest for people who love Bigfoot. Yeah. Can you tell us anything interesting? Most people know that story, I would think, if you're listening to this show, you probably know the story.

But was there two questions. One I wanted to ask you, what do you think set that creature off? Because it seemed like it went on a rampage. What do you think set it off? And then is there anything that you can tell us from that time period through your research that maybe the public doesn't know about this story? Well, I think one thing that a lot of people weren't aware of, and even myself when I first started researching this,

was that the encounters have continued. I mean, and the encounters at the time, not all of them were in the legend of us. the Boggy Creek. That was just sort of the cross-section of the encounters, said that there was a much longer history of sightings in southern Arkansas of a creature like this. And they had continued. So once the kind of the media and the sensation of the movie had passed, then quietly behind the scenes, locals and people in the area continue to see this creature or creatures, more likely, that was not on the record. And so when I started digging to it was amazing how many of these old encounters I found,

which sort of corroborated what you saw in the legend of Boggy Creek and put a bigger perspective on the whole thing that, you know, indeed, there could be something living in these sulfur river bottoms down near Boggy Creek. And there was another part of that question. No, no, it's good, man. As far as what do you think set it off? I set it off, yeah. And that's one of the things you see in the Boggy Creek, the Legend of Boggy Creek,

is that they illustrate some of the aggressive behavior, some of the encounters that were life-threatening. And it's really hard to say, you know, exactly why it was behaving in that way. It could be, you know, in some ways it's a hot, humid, swampy environment. and like any other animals, if you will, you know, some of them could be more dangerous than others. I mean, you know, hikers hike in areas where there's black bears, and 99.9% of the time nothing ever happens. But then there's that encounter where that rogue individual decides to attack for whatever reason.

And I think this is kind of the case. And, you know, in particular, there's just been a few more. aggressive incidents and there's been some even in modern times like back in 2005 you know there was a coon hunter down in mercer bayou in that area that came up on one of these and the thing didn't attack him but it it like lunged at him and splashed water and kind of gave him that you know you need to get out of this area type of thing so and i've got another report that was from back in the 70s where this thing was just charging out of the woods and threatening some guys who had been hunting and sitting up in there. So it's certainly one of the things that's just tied now forever to the southern Sasquatch.

You know, they're dangerous. Yeah, that's true. It's true. They seem to have a bad rap. What kind of descriptions are you getting? Are you getting the Patterson-Gimlin type descriptions when you talk to witnesses? Or are you getting something different? I mean, in a general sense, they do fit the general profile of Bigfoot, you know, something that's seven, eight feet tall covered in hair.

The hair can vary in color, you know, from reddish to black to brown. But if you really start looking at it, you do get somewhere, it seems the hair on the head is longer. It's more uncamped. The hair is, you know, muddy. They can be thinner. I don't often get huge. huge estimates of the height. You know, even anywhere, sometimes five, six, seven feet tall, you don't often get the nine feet.

You know, you get the big, more bulky encounters, but it kind of makes sense because, you know, Bergman's law, if you live in a colder environment, you know, you're going to grow bigger. You need that bulk, you know, you're living in the mountains. Now, if you're living in the south, hot, humid, that sort of thing, I mean, it's almost on the border. of Texas, you're going to be slimmer. You're going to need to burn off that heat and, you know, perhaps that's it. I said the exact same thing last week. You know, a lot of the reports I get from your area, they're not that big.

You know, I mean, they're big, you know, but they are smaller compared to what we see here in the Pacific Northwest. But with a lot of the facial features with witnesses, I've noticed down south, you know, I get everything from it looked like Patty to. It looked like a chimpanzee. A lot of people say chimpanzee for some reason. The face, they'll say it had a human nose, but the face really looked like a chimp.

And so it's interesting when you talk to witnesses because you get little details like that from them, you know, and kind of put together a story as far as what people are seeing. What do you have coming up beyond your movie and your books? I'm always kind of working on a book at all times. It's almost, you know, that the research is always there as I collect things,

to organize those and what I would want to do in the next book. Slated to do some more work with the Small Town Monsters guys with some other things and something else that I can't announce yet, it's going to be huge though. I mean, this is like super exciting

what's going to go down and it's kind of along the lines of what I've done before, but this is a totally new opportunity to do something that's kind of been floating out there for a while and people often ask me about so I hate to be vague here about it but in fact this is the first time I've ever said any of this even publicly

so here you've heard it first yeah Lyle's got some secret coming so you heard the secret first you don't know what it is but you heard it first here well I appreciate you coming on man for the people out there go get the Boggy Creek monster God the artwork on your stuff is awesome man and the beast of Boggy Creek and Beyond Boggy Creek, Lyle Blackburn.com.

Thanks, Lyle, for coming on, though. You betcha. Thanks, brother. Yep. Woody and I sit in here. Lyle's a cool guy, isn't he? He's awesome. Super chill guy.

Totally awesome. Yeah. And he does good work. He does good work with the movies, and they played his movie. I said this on the last show, but they played it at the dinner. You were too good to go to? Oh, right.

I'm just joking. But, no, it, and he does a good job, man. I mean, it's not Stephen Spielberg, but the guy does a good job. Yeah, he really does. He has a really good job. And he's very detailed in everything that he documents. And I just like the guy a lot. Yeah, he's a really cool guy.

And he's a heck of a musician as well. Yeah, I'll probably play some of his music, maybe for the closing credits of the show. Right on. But who was the one that stood out this year? And it doesn't have to be a research. It could be anyone. I don't know.

There was just so many greats, really. And it's, I don't know, I can't say. I really have a fan favorite at this time. I think they're all great. They really were. It's a combination of, you know, all the great speakers. So, you know, it's hard to say, you know, who all you stood out? Who do you think stood out?

I don't know. I think, I would see, I like the ape canon story. Yeah. A lot. And so I think Mark stood out for me. I had him on the last show. And I really enjoyed his research he did into that. he did. He researched the crap out of that.

He investigated the site. He found the site. And, you know, a lot of times when things get lost and lower, you don't get a chance to find them again, and he found it. Yeah, and talk about detail. He was very detailed. Very detailed. On everything that he dug up and all the work he did.

Yeah, thank you so much for that. That was amazing. Well, I don't really have anything else to say to you. I'm kind of tired of you this weekend, actually. Yeah, you're not a lot of fun to talk to. It's been a great week. It's been a long weekend, but a great weekend. Yeah, I'm exhausted. I am too.

I'm exhausted. And, you know, I'm sorry for the members. I know they were wanting, or even the fans for the website, they were wanting more pictures and more, they don't really let you video anything in here or take too many pictures. So I didn't really get a whole lot. But there's a lot of pictures, a lot of pictures being taken. But the video, they kind of frowned. It seems like they kind of frowned on that a little bit.

Yeah. I understand. Plus, we've been over on our back cave all weekend. So we really haven't had a chance to get out. That's true. That's true. Well, next up, we have Tom Seawood, and Tom's going to be coming by talking about his presentation. And then you can join me for the last one, Wood?

Yeah, of course. All right. We will be back. Got to say after these words. After these words. Well, I want to welcome Thomas Seawood back to the show. Thomas, Harry, man. Doing good.

Good to see you again in person. Finally. And we got Avis. Avis, come over here and say hi. Come on. This is a member of the show, helping me out the poker chips. Go ahead. Hello, everybody.

It's Avis. And what do you think of the International Bigfoot Conference, Thomas? Well, the first conference I've ever been invited to to be a speaker and have a vendor's table. I'm floored. It's amazing. The response from the fans and everyone. Yeah, I'm bummed out. I didn't get to see your presentation.

I heard it. I heard great things about it. I was stuck over on this side. They're clapping for you. Not this time. But for the audience, you want to tell them the whole purpose of the dance? And I know you and I've talked about it before on past shows. But for new listeners, you did a special dance.

The Cockwalk Ewaks do. And you and I talked a long time ago, Thomas, about I had seen it when I was a kid. You know, I'd seen this performed when I was in kindergarten. And it scared the crap out of me. Yeah, it's like where you saw it and others I've heard from today, they saw the West Coast Native dancing of the Junachua, the Wild Woman of the Woods at Ariel Washington, at the Laluska Foundation.

That's right. And my grandfather gave permission to that family to share my family's crests, stories, songs, and dances. And they've been doing it with the world out of that place they have there. And by the Columbia River for, God, must be over 30 years. and they're sort of slowing down a bit because Laluska passed on, the family sort of, you know, some have moved off. And the foundation is, you know, is not as vibrant as it once was.

And now that I'm down here living in Washington State and so much interest from, you know, thanks to you, invite me on your show the first time. And we've done, what, five or six episodes. And you've helped springboard to the world through your show that, hey, the Indian culture is really huge when it comes to Bigfoot Sasquots. And Tom Seawood and Peggy Fritterer, his wife, they're willing to share it. And, you know, Russell Accord invited us here to the International Bigfoot Conference. And it was the first time that we were invited to something like this other than Beachfoot in July.

And but that was a private event. But this one, you know, the people got to see that West Coast stuff. And it just, you know, you could see in their eyes. that really opened a new door into the whole Bigfoot equation. But it's also an old historic door that's been around for thousands of years and just standing on that stage and just talking away and showing our native button blankets to do a proper introduction and greeting to the people. And then as I was doing the opening statements,

Peggy coming out with the wolf carved headpiece that just demonstrating one of our crests in our family. It's not a major one of my family. it's just done as a dance, but we wanted to show people that. And, you know, with the real wolf fur hanging off the back, and then as I opened up started talking about the Junukwad, which is the big foot to the Kwokwak-Wat people, and then I started touching in Bakwos, the wild man,

or the woods that's been interpreted as, and a lot of people believe that that's the Sasquatch to the Kwokwak-Wak. It's not, and that's what I was here to do, was to educate people that we have two creatures, but was a small bipedal furry creature that's from the spiritual realm, and Junachahua, male and female, that are our representation of the Sasquatch. No, I'm bummed out, I didn't get to see it. I know they filmed it, though, and so I can't wait to see the presentation.

You'll have to send it to me, that way I can put it up on the website. Oh, definitely. We had Wild Woman Productions, Victoria Williams and Amanda, who's going to be my co-host, the Sasquatch Island. television series and they came down and they had the videos going out on the floor which was you know one of the only ones allowed to because it's pretty regulated as far as video here but she's recorded it and i guess she'll edit it and get it to me and i'll definitely get it to you and everyone else yeah no i'd love to see it and and you have a are we allowed to talk about

the conference upcoming conference yep okay you want to tell the audience about that well right now I'm working with Washington State tribe, but I can't divulge the name, and it's strictly because of North American Indian law, and it means we have to get the protocols in place with the tribe, their elders, their cultural groups, and then once they get that all cleared, then we get the permit from the chief and council, and we're going to go forward in Washington State to build the first ever North American Indian focused, big, foot museum representing not just this tribe from Washington State, but all Pacific Northwest tribes that want to participate in this big museum.

But to open it up, of course, we have to have a big do, you know, native ways, and the do means a celebration, you know, what better way than they get a word out to the podcast, the internet, television, newspaper, that you can come to this Indian Reserve up in Washington State, northwestern corner area and come see this conference. that is going to be inviting keynote speakers that aren't native that are right here in this conference here. And, you know, the majority, 80%, maybe a little more, will be North American Indians. You know, we have so many that are now running expeditions, their researchers, you know, Schelling Covington, Montana's here. You're here, you're of Native Ancestry.

You know, we're going to, we've already invited you. And, you know, we want to get all the engines up there. and we'll have a damn good time and tell our story about Bigfoot and show them that we're serious players in this game as well. Yeah, when do you think this conference is going to take place? We've sort of earmarked February, and it's just because we want to get things going, and that we have a good lead-up for the summer tourist season.

Getting our picture taken. We've got to get a copy from her. Yeah, when is that conference going to take place? Yeah, February 18 will have it. That's what we're planning. anyway. I might push a little further to March 7th, seeing that's my birthday, that would be a good time to have it.

But they have a ceremonial building which has their traditional carvings and their massive ones. They've got to be 40 feet high going to the ceilings. Enough room for 1,200 people to sit down, heated, bathrooms, small kitchen area. We have a

casino for the vendors and the different speakers to participate at. Is this going to be like a yearly conference? Are they just doing it to open the museum or? Well, our plan is... Pre mature to say one way or another. Our plan is to have this gentleman who's a counselor on this tribe build his museum.

It's his museum that he's taken on himself. I'm just going to help build it and manage it. And then have the conference kick it off as the opening ceremony, but will be an annual, if not a twice a year celebration conference. And then duplicate that template. There's 280 casino tribes in the United States. I don't mean to cut you off, Tom. As we're sitting here talking, people are taking pictures of us.

I know. It's like the elephant in the room. Neither of us are addressing it. Go ahead. I didn't mean cut you off. I apologize. Oh, it's funny. It's, you know, because, like, what,

December when you got me on for the first show? And since then, I got people getting me to sign their T-shirts, their books, their posters, they want pictures. You're my best fan. I'm your biggest fan and, you know, you and I sitting together. You know, to them, it's, you know, hey, that's a great picture to get from my Facebook. And it's an honor. It's, you know, and that's what I realize here.

It's humbling. It's just, you know, it makes me go like a redskin Indian. I get all embarrassed. Yeah, me too, me too. Yeah, it's definitely, I can't wait for that, you know, and I hope they do it over here. Oh, they will. Yeah, they definitely will because it's needed. It's, you know, this, like I look around here at this conference, and I've done it,

other Bigfoot conferences, and I've always said that, mark my words, these players that are here struggling with their art and their, call it what it is, their Scrogg related to Bigfoot Sasquatch, when that day comes, and it's going to be within months, I think, that that conclusive proof comes in. We're all going to be financially well off, because there ain't enough talk show, there ain't enough people to fill in this building, As people that are researchers, doctors, sellers at vendor tables,

there ain't enough of us to go out there in the world when there's conclusive proof to go to those talk shows, to be interviewed by the media, and to be out there doing expeditions. This is huge. Like, right now, just look at 1981. There was no commercial whale watch boats in the Western Pacific, or Eastern Pacific or whatever we want to call,

where we live here in California, the way up to Alaska. Now you count how many hundreds there are, the thousands of spin-off business and support services that are tied to the whale watching, the sea kayaking, the grizzly bear tours. Well, before that it was a sports fishing. Now look at it. Mark my words, you look at the spirit bear up in Central British Columbia Coast. Now that's a multimillion dollar industry in under 20 years. Well, when the conclusive proof comes out, all them whiner skeptics, they're going to be fighting over each other, trying to get to our expertise. Try to buy our t-shirts, try to listen to us at our conferences, and that's what I see coming.

This is just the... You said months. Is there something in particular coming that you... I think we're farther off than months. From what I've experienced in the last year and what I've been digging deeper in my research with Indian reserves in the United States, I think if they get their dominoes lined up properly, we're looking at months conclusive proof of coming. I'm in on the fliers and the videos. But would you define that as

conclusive proof, fleers and videos? Well, as you know, and all your fan base knows, I'm zero kill, so I have to uphold that. Yeah, but I understand that, but what I'm saying, though, is if you got a bad transmission and a will change ain't going to fix it. And so

in this situation, I think one, you and I have argued about it privately. We've called each other dirty names behind the scenes, but not I'm just joking, but, you know, And I really do believe that one has to be shot and brought in. I don't think, listen, you put up Fleer and you put up video, it's going to look at the Patterson Gimlin film. Look at anyone that puts anything online.

They get eaten. See, the crowd of grease with me. Thank you, everyone. Thank you. Everyone gets eaten alive. So I don't think that we're going to do it with video. And I guess it's just a difference of opinion. In my mind, I think I've gotten to the point where I think one has to be put down.

And even then, I know you don't think there's a cover-up, but I think that there is. Oh, no, I believe there's a cover-up. And so you have to get past that door, too. Yeah, and that's why the Indian Reserves gives you that sanctuary, because, you know, like in the old days when the wagons were coming west, when the Indians came storming over the hills, they circled their wagons. They buckled down because they're being attacked. While anyone comes in, I don't care what kind of color their badges.

You come into the Indian Reserve and try to come in and take something they've either shot or hit with a crossbow for DNA or have some pretty good conclusive proof of habituation taking place where you have observing taking place. You know, they can come in and try to do all they want, take them back. They ain't getting nothing. They've got a war on their hands. And as we've seen with whatever that Dakota access pipeline was,

you know, the Indians nowadays, they don't just stay in the confines of their Indian reserves and not seen or heard until someone wants to see and hear us. When the call of war is called nations from outside of the U.S. in Canada come and help the other indigenous people. And that's the standard norm now. And we've realized, and with the power to social media and instantaneous access to, you know, say, look, here's my help flag up,

come give us a hand. You've got a bunch of agents here wanting to come on our Indian reserve and try to take something or shut something down that we're doing tours with. Because some of these Indian reserves, from what I've talked to some people and what I witnessed when I was in June back east, they got enough Sasquatch on their Indian reservations

that if they had Flur stepped up and donated a $25, $30,000 fleur unit to one of these Indian tribes I'm working with and they put it on one of their sprinter vans that they used for transporting their tribe members around and they went out at night like we did with a $250 flur and get some pretty good images and hearing the sounds of those creatures

they go light it up with one of those big flurs and light it up with spotlights and get some video You know, the conclusive proof is when you get that on internet and social media and television, that, hey, you can come to this Indian Reserve, pay $200 and jump in this 12-passenger sprinter van, and from 11 o'clock at night until daylight, there's a great possibility you're going to see something like I did out there numerous times. Well, when you've got 1,000 people lined up at the reservation roadways in all four corners of the compass, that's conclusive proof, especially when they're coming out and they're going out and they're, putting it on their social media, these creatures that I saw on, Fleur walking around, walking

across soybean fields, banging oak trees and so forth. I don't think, though, that the Native Americans have a free pass. Just because they got your own land does not mean the government's not going to come in. How many times does the government say, hey, we'll leave you guys alone, and then came in and didn't leave you alone? You know, my grandmother was full of patchy, so I'm well aware of the history. But having said that, if there is a cover-up, I think they'd have no qualms about coming and squashing that.

So watching you playing with those poker chips before I came on your interview. How many casinos in the United States now owned by Indian tribes? The government seemed to leave them alone for the last three decades. Yeah. But they're not trying to cover up a casino. No, because they're paying their taxes. Right. Same way as any Indian reserve-based business has to pay tax to IRS.

So in other words, like up in Canada with the Indian reservations that have hotels and resorts and golf courses and wineries and the list goes on. The native corporations, the employees in Canada don't have to pay federal income tax, but the corporations have to pay federal income tax. It's the same down here in the United States. That's why there's so many casinos. The government's making chump of all the billions that are coming in on the Indian casinos. So now all of a sudden you equate that and factor that into 50 Sasquatch tour companies

that are owned by Indian reserves. Are they going to come in and take these creatures away? No. They're getting their revenue coming in. Because if you compare what the ecotourism industry with the Aboriginal cultural component is in Canada to the United States, well, in Canada, you can't even put a percentage growth per year on how many bloody Indians are getting involved in eco-tourism. It's huge. You know, Vivantu sees the veils with the Indiana yet.

We don't want to see it with some Aussie for New Zealander who has an accent. Hey, Mike, you want to come see the Oka and Johnson Straits? No, they want to, those Germans, those other people, they want to see it with the real, tour guides of the area, Indians. And that's the same as a lot of Australians listening. So that was Tom C. Wood. That was not West. And I'm big in New Zealand, too, by the way.

You wouldn't think so, but I am for some odd reason. A lot of Mari's down there. They know who to listen to. Yeah, no, it's, I'm glad to see you at the conference. Who do you think, who was your favorite speaker? I'm a vendor. We don't get to go in there. Oh, I thought you went in.

I thought you went in there. My favorite one, by all. by far is Derek Randall's. Yeah. He just kicks it out of the park. He educates you so much. Like we, what he talked about in Longview,

Kelso, Washington in early 2017 and what I sent to one of my team up in Vancouver Island, he went and executed what Randall taught me, and Derek Randall's taught me, and lo and behold, he found possible nests, which I got to go up to Vancouver Island next week and check out. And, you know, this is huge, you know. We didn't know.

It's right here in downtown Campbell River, basically, you know. about an hour walk up the river, and, you know, there's possibly some nest structures up there. And it's all based upon Derek Randalls and his research with the Olympic project. That's huge. Yeah, that is huge. Well, Tom, I appreciate you coming on, ma'am. Thank you very much. And that was Thomas Ewood, and we're back with Avis.

Oh, boy, here we go. So before I bring her on, we played poker in last night, and Avis really just mopped the floor with Woody. Wow. I mean, just destroyed him. Was bluffing left and right. And, yeah, Avis, come on, Becker. Say hi to the audience.

I will say, though, last night, Avis played a really good hand. Man, she really had me going. I couldn't. I think just when I figured Avis out, she'd mix it up, and then I had to regain my composure and try to figure it out again. And, yeah, Avis, welcome. You're a very formal, a little opponent, I will say that. But next time I won't take you so lightly, that's for sure.

Hello, everybody. Well, it was really great smearing Woody everywhere. Tell him how you beat him. Just destroyed him. I destroyed him. I took his, you've got to see his face. Oh, my God. It was hilarious because I was just bluffing, giggling and laughing. And the next thing, I said, all in.

He's like, what? Uh-uh. Put it down. And he looked at my car. He's like, oh, you did not. Oh, my God. It's true. It was great.

It was true. And he just gave me the evil eye. From then on, it was on. And he's waiting for next year, and I know what he's waiting for. I'm waiting to beat you is what I'm going to do. That's what he's waiting for, and I know it. But it was great, guys. The International Bigfoot Convention has been absolutely awesome.

They've had great vendors, great speakers. And the most important that I have found with everybody is the members of Satsquatch Chronicles have gathered. I have them in front of me right now, just smiling. The storm. Say hi. See, there they go. They're all saying hello. And we've even had a couple of winners from the drawing raffles that was during the speakers.

We have a beautiful red-headed woman. She's absolutely gorgeous. And we've got some other beautiful women. We have a three sisters here. It has been awesome. You guys next year, we're going to be on here and out here. And you really need to prep for this. You're going to love it.

We're going to have some after hours. And then, you know, I don't know. I'm going to let Woody and Wes. Right. Oh, my God, I'm going to slip on that one. It's okay. West does it all the time. We're going to have either a poker night or a gathering night

so that our members can meet them and all that good stuff. We had some great T-shirts and we're going to have some more stuff brought out. And you guys are really going to enjoy next year. but I really loved whipping Woody's butt. I'm looking forward to it too. I think I might have to practice my game up a little bit if you and I are going to go head to head again next year. Avis, thank you.

That was a lot of fun last night. And honestly, I'm looking forward to having you beat me again, that's for sure. I thank Wes and Woody for all the entertainment and great fun. You guys have a great day. I'll talk to you guys later. There you go. Well, there you have it, folks. Avis talking about how bad she beat me last night.

She destroyed you, man. She destroyed you. Well, who made the... Anyway, we're going to go to music. Hold on. Hold on. Here's the thing. Who made the final table last night? Oh, would you and me?

Yeah, that's right. That's right. It was, Wes and I at the final table. We kind of ran out of time last night. So the next question is who won the tournament last night? Well, I would think it would be me. I guess it depends on who you talk to, right? Yeah, we ran out of time, and so we did an all-in.

Yeah. And you act like I had two chips left. Well, okay, three. You had three chips left. It was four. I'm sorry. No, and then we did an all-in because it got so late, and I ended up with pocket queens. So I guess I won't.

He did, folks. It was actually, I had more chips than him last night, but it was. Here we go. It was super late, and like you said, went all in. I'm not going to accept the loss on this, though. so if you think I'm going to, I refuse. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, man. What's up, fellas? How are you? Yeah, it was good seeing you. Yeah, it was good seeing you. You guys. You guys are pretty soon. I'm good, die, brother.

Drive safely, will you? Yeah, absolutely. For sure. Yeah. Yeah, thank you for everything. Yeah, thank you very much. Thank you guys. Thank you.

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