Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:367 Is this thing something more?

Episode Date: October 8, 2017

Tonight I will be speaking to Frank and Frank grew up in the woods. His family had encounters with these creatures going back to the 1950's. Frank contacted me, he has agreed to come on the show and writes "Wes my name is Frank, I live in mid-Tennessee. I have had a lot of encounters me an my family, call when you can." I spoke to Frank in great detail about his encounters growing up. He had two visual encounters and talks about encounters his family has had. Frank talks about being followed in the woods for several miles and feeling like he was going to be killed.

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9. I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. It's good to be back with you. I finally got moved. It was a huge pain in the butt, but I won't go into it because no one cares. But just don't let you know it was a huge pain in the butt to move. How's everyone doing tonight? Thanks so much for being here.

If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Got a couple great guests tonight. I'm going to be speaking to Jamie, who had an encounter in Pennsylvania. Very, very odd encounter. And I'll let him tell the story.

I'll also be talking to Frank, who comes to us from Tennessee. And he grew up on a property that had these creatures on them. He lived in an area where there was constant sightings. And a lot of his encounters happened back in the 50s and 60s. And I think his last encounter was in the 80s. But Frank has so much, so many things that have happened to him.

We'll try and condense some of that tonight. I'll definitely have to have him back on the show. On Friday night's show, gosh, I went through like the Vegas shooting and Tom Petty dying and the Bigfoot outlaws broke up. And it's like, man, I said, step away for just a week and everything becomes a mess. I'm sure it has nothing to do with that, but I like to think it does. But let's jump into it tonight.

I want to welcome Jamie to the show. Jamie, thanks for coming on. Hey, thank you for having me. No, I appreciate you being here. If you would, would you walk into your encounter? I know what happened out there in Pennsylvania. Could you walk us into it? Tell us what you saw, what you heard, and what you experienced.

Okay, actually, my father who lived with me, He had bone cancer, and he lived with me the final year. My wife and I have maybe like three of kind of devoid of yourself. And I remember if you're here giving me a sign called Shenango Reservoir. I noticed that she was right at my feet. Anything about beagles, they're always up. Maybe she was stung with it. And we watched these trees in front of us, maybe like 75 to a thud, and shaking in front of us,

looking at each other and not really saying any words. Or a few days later, it was recorded by a guy named Matt Moneymaker, Finding Bigfoot. Did it sound like this? Is that kind of what you heard? That's what we heard. That is what we heard. as what we heard it. So validation of hearing that and what was to us because it was like Washington State or Oregon or what we experienced. And I mean, I kept thinking and I heard my dad's

voice in my head and it said after the beginning. So the beginning for me. No, that's all right. Take a time. The very last memory was he asked me to take him outside so he could be seriousness and he said, take me in the goddamn house. Sick, they get angry and he's at the end of his life. I'll just sit here, watch my dad and I kept thinking, I believe in, I mean, I'm not super religious person. I grew up in church. My dad wanted to get my attention, he really got it in a very big way. How, you know, how do vibration and conscience? I understand. And thank you for sharing the story about your dad. It's, um, you know, that's, uh, it's touching. It's touching. It's touching. It's, did you ever go back to that area? I did go back and I had a second experience there,

and nothing came out. So Rodden, we're going to see a person. And again, I can't say it's going to be going out to. Yeah, and I respect that. I respect that. Um, What did you see? If you were to describe to someone what you saw, what was that you and your friend looked down in that ravine and saw? Like a guerrilla. Not necessarily Bigfoot, but it wasn't a deer. It wasn't a bear. Yeah, and that's interesting. And that's where you heard the vocalization of a man talking and a dog barking coming from? Yes. And then, you know, like really after this whole experience, because, you know, like I'm not, I really didn't, like 30 years earlier, he had an experience in the exact same location. And be safe, will you? When you're out there, be real careful.

Be real safe when you're out there. And, you know, it's strange how sometimes these things happen in horrendous times. You know, your dad just passing away and him watching Harry. Did he like Harry in the Hendersons, by the way? He did like that movie because he was laughing, you know, and it's a movie that I'd never seen. And I told my wife, I said, you know what, I want to rewatch that movie. I passed away. We got rid of everything.

And I'm looking for a DVD player. It was actually in the DVD. player? In the DVD player. I knew I had one at our house, but I didn't know that we had still had that exact DVD player with that DVD in it. I'm like, you know, you'd look for signs or you'd want signs. You get them. They're all around you. It's definitely true. I'm glad that you actually had the encounter. What did your wife think about it? I know she's not there right now, but what is her take on it? What does she think it was? Well, my wife and I have known each other since we were 10 years old and we're both like 47, what we think it would have been.

I get it completely. Well, be careful while you're out there, and I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share the encounter, Jamie. It's, you know, whether it had something to do with your dad or not, it's hard to say, but it is a strange coincidence and, you know, the memory of your dad. And, again, I'm so sorry to hear about him dying of bone cancer. It's my dad died of cancer, too, as well. My grandfather died of cancer, and it's a horrendous. disease. It's something terrible. No one should have to go through that. No one should have to sit and

watch someone go through that. So I'm glad, you know, that he's resting in peace now and, you know, he no longer has to deal with that. And I'm sure he's in a better place. And I felt like I can put my foot in my mouth. But I'm, you know, I, you know, my heart goes out to you. I'm sorry to hear about your dad. And it's a, it's a very interesting encounter, especially the second time when you went out there and you heard the vocalization, you know, on the show, sometimes witnesses talk about hearing dog barking or hearing their name being called or hearing these things vocalize in strange ways. And, you know, if it wasn't a dog and a man you heard, if it was this creature, it's a very strange vocalization, don't you think, to kind of

draw your attention? I'm sure they have a communication. But what really hit me was what that was. And, you know, I never really spoke to Matt Moneymaker about, like, where. No, it hasn't been debunked. Actually, I've heard that. I've heard recordings just like the Ohio Hal. It's a little bit different, but it's very, very similar. If I played one, you'd go, oh, that's an Ohio howl. But I've had recordings out of Texas that sound very similar. There was one out of Pennsylvania that I had a guy on the show.

And he actually had a recording, and I played it on the show. And if you listen to it, you would go, oh, that's the Ohio Howl. But this guy recorded it in Pennsylvania. So it is interesting to get different vocalizations and then to hear the same vocalization being recorded all the way to Pennsylvania, you know, from Ohio to Pennsylvania to Texas, they're getting the same recording. So it is, it is fascinating. I would, the only advice I'd give you is just be careful because you, you don't know quite what you're going to get into in a situation like that with these things. But you have to keep me up to date and you and you

and your wife will have to come on if anything new happens out there, will you? I absolutely will. And I'm sorry to hear. about your father and your grandfather, and thank you for seeing that about my dad. Yeah, absolutely, man. And thank you for coming on. All right, no problem. I enjoyed it. Well, next up on the show, I want to welcome Frank.

Frank, thanks for coming on. Well, thank you for having me. And what state did your encounters take place in, Frank? I'm in Tennessee, middle Tennessee. Well, if you would, I know there was a lot going on around some of these properties you grew up in. but if you would, would you talk about your first encounter the first time he saw this creature and just for the audience to kind of walk us into what you were doing and just walk us into what happened?

Okay. The first encounter, I mean, I did not know it was an encounter. I knew nothing about what a Sasquatch or Bigfoot was or even that they existed or anything like them existed. We had moved back from Detroit. This was in 1964. Had moved down and we out into the country. There was no barn on the property about a fine 50 foot up the hill from the house.

And there were several of us kids. Anyway, we were up in the barn loft, up there. And there was haystack on both sides. The middle was open. And you go up a ladder in the middle of the barn. You know, it's just a tubber fours tacked up. And there's about a three-foot hole, the three-foot-foot-foot-foot-foot-foot-hole there in the barn.

On the far side next to the house, the hay was kind of stair-stipped. And on the other side, it was just straight up. I mean, it was several bells high where we could not get on top of it. So we played there on the other side where the stairstep bells were. You know, we just jumping around playing tag with each other. There was like five of us all total, and we're from age from six to 12th. I was born in crippled than the right foot.

I had a club foot. I just recovered from the operation and never could keep me. shoe tied on my right foot. It always came unloose. So anyway, we were playing, jumping around in the hay. Got tired. Everybody decided to go home. Somebody hollered out.

The last one to the house is, I'm not going to mention it over the phone, but it wasn't a rotten egg, it was something else. You know, we grew up, and we were little pigeons. guess it goes. So anyway, everybody went down the hole and started running toward the house and screaming. I knew I couldn't run because my shoe was inside.

So I stopped at the bottom of the ladder and put my foot up there and was time of shoe. And everybody was gone and they were still running down the hill. And I heard something up in the loft where we just came out of, jumped. jump down. It's pretty hard. And run across to a little opening where it used to bring the hay in, you know, back up and bring a hay through that door.

Yeah. And I knew everybody had come down, and I was the last one left. I thought, who is that? Now, we were way out in the country. So I tied my shoe, I stuck my head back up through the hole, and I seen what I thought was somebody. They were all in one color, kind of a chocolate brown color.

Not any long hair, per se. I mean, I didn't really get a good look. Of course, you know, scared the crap out of me. There's somebody up there. Where were they at while we were playing in the hay? Don't know. Can I figure it out where they were? I just saw the back of it.

I did not see any front of it. And when I left, got down and left the barn, I had to run right out under where it was over the top. I didn't look back And that was my first encounter Of course, at that time, I thought I was looking at a human But thinking back on it, that was not no human It was not a big creature

It was smaller than my dad But it was bigger than we were Yeah, interesting What was it about it that made you think That's not a human? Was it just mainly there? Oh, I didn't know it wasn't a human until later on in life

I mean, it was just one color. I mean, and it was in the middle of the summertime. Why would somebody have a one-colored jump suit on from head to toe? And it was, it wasn't a black, but it was close to black as a brown looking color because in the doorway there, there was a lot of light. So I got a good look at the back of it. And it just looked like a human figure. standing there.

Did you ever tell anyone about this? Did you get back to the house and tell your dad or anyone? I told some of the other kids and they laughed at me. You call me chicken crap, you know, your little chicken shit. Yeah. No, I understand. That's what I got out of them. At what point later in life did you realize, oh, that's what that thing was?

Oh, I think 10 point of time. is after I found out that these things existed and has done up until after the second encounter that I knew that they called them Bigfoot's or Sasquatch. How many years later was your next encounter, that second encounter where you had the visual? It was about two years later.

We had moved from that spot about 10 miles across a couple of ridges closer to town by the city reservoir. Let me tell you, there's a bunch of stuff happened there. It's still a rural area. We lived down, it was a dead end road off of a paved road, you got on a gravel road,

and you went to the end of that, and then you turn right, and you went about another three-quarters of a mile to our house, and there was only two houses during all that traveled all the way to the back. And it had been an old pretty good size farm back in the day, but it was one of those weatherboarded houses with two-story, with no pain on it. And then there was another little house down at the bottom, I guess, had been for the farm hands. But it was about 150, just 200 feet away from the other house.

We grew up for it. I mean, we were dirt port. We never had a vehicle or anything. And on the way back and forth to the store, the store was about all two and a half miles away, three miles away, something like that. My mom would always, if we needed something, she'd send a couple of us to the store,

so we'd walk the store and back. When we came out of our driveway or road, straight across was the little lake, was the city reservoirs what that was he turned to left and go on down you hit the main highway and then you go about a half a mile and there's a little store that we

we'd go to and so me and my brother he's two years older than me one day it was our trying to go to store it's midday, middle of summer it's hot so on the way back from the store, about a quarter mile from the reservoir, about 40 foot in front of us.

We saw two big legs with feet on them. We saw them about six inches above the knee down. They were a russ color, rancetan color hair on them. But you could, around the knee was kind of, you could see the skin and stuff through the hair. and it's probably two inch hair all the way down the legs, but the feet is mainly what I was looking at. I can remember my first thought. I mean, you know, we were poor. We ran around in summertime without shoes on, but when we bought the store on that gravel road, we'd put her shoes on.

Those gravels hurt. I don't care how to your feet are. You've got to waste a while if you put your shoes on. Yeah, of course. Well, the first thought out of my mind is this poor SOB ain't got no shoes on. I mean, I remember that. That was my first thought when I saw it. I mean, actually it was my second thought.

First thought was, what was that? And then my brother both saw it at the same time. Now, he was standing at the side of the road, and he thought he was tucked back in that foliage is what he thought. where we couldn't stand, but the foliage only went so far, and then it's clear on the bottom. And so that's why we got the best view of was the legs and the feet. Like I say, it was 35, 40 foot away. And so we just stopped in our tracks and was looking at it.

Being two dumb little kids, we started to ward it. We wanted to see the rest of it. I do remember as we started a ward looked up and there was in the shadows of the foliage was the left side of its face looking. I did see an eye and a mouth and the jawline. So anyway, we started walking toward it and we was walking to our right on out into the road so we could get a better look at it, line up with it. And about that time, it jumped off the side of the road. It jumped out. Now, the side of the road was six foot higher than the little field that was beside the road.

And, of course, the field was grown up with all blackberries and bushes. About 12 foot high and it's real thick. Couldn't hardly get through it. or we couldn't get through it. We'd been in that fill a week before that had taken Blackberry's, and we couldn't get back in there. So anyway, it jumped out about eight foot out. Like I say, it's six foot down

because there was a fence right there, and they had to clear that fence at the bottom of the road. So that was a pretty good leak. And when it hit, we seen the fur bounce on the back of it and when it hit it was running. I mean, that thing just took off through that blackbird bars and the bushes.

You could hear it just busting through there. Got to the river now. There was about, oh, I guess, 150 foot to the little creek down there, which is about 20 foot wide because we'd been done there waiting in it before. We heard two splashes.

And that's it. I mean, we never heard nothing else. We went home, told them we saw a wild man. That's all we knew at the time to call it. We saw a wild man. That was pretty much it. I mean, we got a little bit of ridicule from other people we'd tell, and we didn't know what it was until my older brother had visited us from Washington there.

He lived up there in Yakima. And he had come in and we told him what we saw. So he filled us in on what a big foot in the cesspart was. Going back and thinking about the face that you saw, would you say it looked more monkey-like? Would you say it looked more human-like? Or did it look nothing like either were? I'd say it was more human-like.

I mean, it was Neanderthal-looking, it had pronounced brow ridge. no hair on the face of that. I mean, that could make out that. Like I say, we didn't get a good look at the face. I was mainly concentrating on the feet and the legs. I mean, these were big stove. You know what a stove pipe, 70 stove up is?

Oh, yeah. That's how big those legs were. Yeah. No, I've said that. It's funny you say that because in my own counter, I described them like tree trunks. They were huge. I mean, absolutely huge.

way out of proportion for a person, wouldn't you say, Frank? Yes. Absolutely. And it's, you know, one thing that's interesting is you moved, but you really didn't move that far away. I mean, in the grand scheme of life, 10 miles really isn't that far away. All right. I thought about, go ahead. No, no, go ahead, Frank.

I mean cut you off. I've thought about that. And then if you took a, you know, a pin point and stretched 10 miles out with a rope and, made a circle. That's there we moved in. I mean, that's the neighborhood we live in. Like I say, it's right dead snack in the middle of Tennessee. Yeah, and I've had a lot of, I've had actually a lot of encounters from Tennessee. And I guess I don't think of Tennessee that way, maybe southern Tennessee, but I've had a lot of reports from Tennessee, which kind of, I don't know why it shocks me. It does shock me that you would think, I don't know, I'm about to make a dumb comment, but

I do get a ton of reports out of Tennessee. Actually, a ton of reports. Was there ever a time? I mean, you guys are running all over the countryside. I'd be a little, I guess times were different back then. If my kids came home and said they saw a wild man, I would be a little more concerned. But I guess back then, Frank, you know, that's what made men men is go out there hope for the best. And, you know.

That wasn't the first time that happened in their family back in 59, my brother. almost the same scenario. We lived on top of the mountain at that time. I would have been probably four years old, but I do remember him coming home, scared. He had walked to the store, which was three miles away again to that store. Like I say, we were poor.

We never part of error on the vehicle. If somebody came and took us or, you know, we walked out and they brought us back, you know, we did not have a car. And this was my older brother, probably nine or ten years older than me. We lived up on the mountain, and we lived right at the top of the mountain. He had been to the store, and he'd come home and told that a hairy man came out of the woods

stopped in front of him as he was crossing the road it stopped in front of him I looked him up and down and grunted at him walked on into the woods this would have been about a mile from where we were living

on his way back from the store that was in the afternoon when that happened also he told that story until the day he died I mean, of course, you don't tell a whole lot of people about this because you get ridiculed. I wanted to ask you about that. That's 1959.

And obviously, the Patterson Gimlin film hadn't come out for roughly another eight, nine, ten years. It's set to come out. And what did he describe? What did he – I realize he said Wild Man, but what did he – was there anything? Yeah, he just says the big hairy wild man. That's the way he described it. Yeah. Big hairy wild man.

It just grunted anything, he said. Well, I'll tell you one thing. I'll tell you one thing about his encounter that's fascinating is I think when they grunt at you, I think they're acknowledging you. I don't think it's meant to be aggressive, and that's my own personal opinion, my own personal theory. I think when they grunt at you, it's just their way of acknowledge. I've talked to hunters that have shot them after they grunt towards the hunter. And I really think it's more or less of them. It's not really meant to be aggressive.

I could see how someone would take it as aggressive. But that's interesting about your brother and that small detail from his encounter because you hear other people talk about these things stepping out and then it grunts at them and then just kind of keeps going its own way. Anyway, just kind of a side note, I wanted to ask you two out there after all these years of running into these things and probably hearing them, we haven't really talked about any of that yet. Was there ever a time where you felt like your life was in danger or like you just... Yes, a few years later, the answer didn't happen, but I knew I was fixing to die. But that's jumping ahead too far. There's more that happened here.

at this one place where we lived there by the reservoir. Now, you have to, country folk live different from city folk. I guarantee it. Country folks' bathrooms are 200 foot from the back of the house. City folks are inside. So, you know, one night. This is in the same place where we, the same summer that we saw that thing. My older brother, he was four years older.

when I was trying, came in and was trying to wake my other brother up, which is two years older than me, the one that was with me when we saw it, and telling him, hey, come out here and listen to this, come out, you know. It was somewhere around 1 to 3 o'clock in the morning, late, but I woke up instead, and he told me to go back to sleep, And I said, no, I got it. You better than a good good to do. So, me and him went back out on the front porch.

Of course, as country folk do, I stepped to the end of the porch. We had a long front porch. And I was peeing off the end of the porch. I said, what is it? He said, just listen. And then I could hear it after kind of woke on up. There was a behind, the barn step over. across the driveway from the house.

And behind the barn, there was nothing but wilderness woods, a big stone boulder that had been pushed up out of the ground. And real rugged terrain up in there. We heard a baby crying. I mean, the more I listened to the louder at God. And so we stood there for, I know, 10, 15 minutes listened to that baby cry. my dumb brother, he was all right, man, he said, that's a baby. He said, I'm going to go up there and see that that's a baby.

Well, I know what I had seen earlier. I wasn't about to go up there with him. I said, you can go if you want to. I went back in the house and went to bed. Of course, he never did go up there. About a month later, he was always getting up in the middle on that too. about a month later he said he was out on the front porch

and he saw a man, tall man, walking up the road at the end of the driveway was there at well beyond that was an old tractor road that went on up around the woodline into the fields along the hay fields and pasture fields but there was a gate there

you've seen those flat gates, four foot high, 10 foot long. Yeah. And it was taller than I was. And I was nine years old at the time. But he said that they saw a man walk up our driveway, or walk up the road,

and go between the house and the barn and the wheel out there. And he said he was carrying something. It was dark. He really couldn't see nothing by the outline of it. He said it stepped over that gate and kept walking on down that tractor room off up into the wilderness, the woods. Of course, you know, I didn't really doubt him, but it didn't think too much of the story anyway. I mean, the gate was taller than me. I thought, no, can't nobody step over that gate.

But now I know they can't. Did he ever know what it was carrying? Did he ever give you... No, no, he never just said it was carrying something. What did he think of the whole thing? What it was his opinion? I mean, four-foot-tall-gate, you hear of them walking over five-foot-tall gates, just stepping right over and keep going.

What did your brother think it was a man or at that point had to get started? Yeah, yeah, he thought it was a man. Now, this is before we knew what the Saskatch was. I mean, they went along after that. we did know what one was, but he just, he said it was a tall man. That's what he described it. But it was in the middle of the, you know, middle of the night.

He was kind of the man of the house, I guess he'd call him. I mean, he, he had a protective instinctive instinct because my dad was always gone. He was never at home. We grew up without a dad pretty much. So it was just our mom and five, sometimes six kids when they were the older one moment to come around and freeload. So at what point did you, was it when your brother told you what these things were? Is that when you guys kind of figured out, oh, that's what this thing is? Or was there a different time where you'd come to the conclusion, oh, that's what this thing is?

Well, now, he had come in and we told him what. what we had been seeing. So he set us all down. I mean, he was young. He was probably 20, 21 years old. He had been around and he'd had his own experiences running around, you know, as a teenager there. And then, of course, there was, he told us about an incident with him out in Arkansas.

When he was hitchhiking to Arkansas one time, something came out of a swamp on him. But anyway, he had learned about. about what a Bigfoot and Sasquatch was, and he set us all down and explained to us what they were. As time went on, we told a few people about our encounter, and we just got kind of left at and ridiculed. So am I jumping too far ahead with the moment where you were in terror

when you ran into this thing? Well, a little bit is another story. Okay. Now, where we lived there by the reservoir, something one night, my mom smoked, and there was a couple lived down that other house, and they smoked too. And she tried to get us to go down and barry Herson for back or cigarettes. Of course, it was 9.30 at night. Didn't want to go.

But my little brother, younger brother, he's two years younger. to me. It was all about two years apart. He took the flashlight. We did have a flashlight at that time. Small one, not too bright. He took a flashlight and went down there. And about 15 minutes later, he'd come back.

His knees was muddy, and he was breathing hard and stunked the high heaven. And he said something grabbed him there by the prayer trees. They had some pear trees in between the airhouse and the other house down there. There's a whole line of them. There was about six peri trees. And something that grabbed him. We asked him what it was. And he said, I don't know.

He had black hairy arms and threw him down in the lid. And he'll still at the same story today. You know, I wasn't there. So, you know, I didn't see no, nothing that happened not long after. of that incident right there, our house burnt down. I mean, it burnt to the ground. So my mom,

we kind of strode around with family members for a couple of weeks there, and she had went out and rented another house about eight, nine miles on up the ridge there. We call it a mountain. It's

big hill, but we call it a mountain. And it was on this called She Bluff Road and there's the only house on there and hits it right in the middle of it. We didn't have much, and of course when the house we had a whole lot last.

By everything we had, all we got out with was what we was wearing and we didn't even get out of the house with shoes on. Anyway, we moved in this little four-room house. up there had been a long time since anybody lived there she crowned it up some beds and wood cook stove here was just a small area where the house set up on a little knoll and the gravel was on gravel road again we'd have to our boys would

go up into the woods and and get limb dead limbs that had fell and small dead trees and drag them back and chop them up for the wood cookstone because there was only heat we had also, but that was somewhere around in March is when all this took place. We had a, I don't know, we'd always find us a grave-bine-winds and go in the woods and cut it to swing on.

We'd have to go a little further each time we went into the woods to get the stuff that we could carry and drag back because we were small, but we'd have to go a little further each time. I guess we'd been doing there for about a month at the new place. One morning I got up

and I couldn't find nobody in the house. I wonder where everybody was at. So I went outside and there laid everybody was outside at the woodpile. Don't know what happened. It's kind of funny. People don't believe this at all. when I tell them

there was a pile of dead branches and green branches a land there and we don't know how they got there and there was such a big pile we never did

we only lived there like three months before we moved out of there because pretty snaky way back up in there we never did have to go back in the woods to drag more branches that has them wood.

That pile accumulated overnight. I believe you. I think it's interesting. I really do. I mean, that's about one of the strangest things that ever happened. Yeah. Not as strange as you would think,

but I can see where you're coming from, seeing that wood pile there. But I'd like to say that shocks me, but it doesn't shock me one bit. What was the conversation like? Was it just confusion? Yeah, I was confused. We just didn't think much more about it.

Now, like I say, what we had done was we moved in that house, and there was a copperhead den under that house because we were killing two or three copperheads a day. And we found out that, yeah, they were coming from under the house. And that was no joke. We was killing two or three a day, and we didn't find them inside the house. We got out at our house that burnt to the rest of the family and all that stuff. So my sister came in from Detroit, and then my brother, the older brother, had come in, and they got together and moved us off the top of that mountain down into town.

And I was during all this process, I done turn 10 years old. All right. That was the end of that. There was no more, I mean, there was more stuff happening, but I didn't go into it. Skip down the road to 1970. Still hadn't seen that parish in Gimlin. I didn't see that to shoot 78, 79.

Didn't pay no attention to it. My brother, when he moved us to town, I think that was in 66, he had left and went to Washington State, up there in Yakima, Washington. And I had got married to this girl. And they lived out there in Moxie, I think it is, right outside of Yakima. Anyway, they moved in back down here. He moved here down here. He kept telling her about how pretty Tennessee was. They had moved in.

We were living in Sparta at that time. They had moved in a house, I guess, as a mile and a half from where we live on top of that snake bin. If you went through the woods, you'd be about a mile and a half there. Like I say, that's a real, real area within there. There was not a lot of houses. He lived there for the summer. I guess she got tired of it and wanted to move back to Washington.

So he came down and asked me if I'd go up there and hit him load the U-Haul. Of course, you know, I was 14 years old. Sure, my older brother, like him a lot. I go help him load the U-Haul. Now, before they lived back in there, there's only one way in and one way out.

And that gravel road was five miles long. back off up in there somebody had made a pretty nice little farm back up in the middle of the woods up there. Now between the house and the barn there was an old tractor road that

went down into the valley down there. There was another deal about that, but I won't go into that. But I knew it went down into and came out into some pastured in the valley. So anyway, I went up ready to

if it loved you, It was late on Sunday evening. I think it was about September. All the ladies are still on the trees. When I got up there, he wasn't hepping lobed to U-Haul. He was making me load it. So we got into a little fist of cuff there, an argument. And he told me, no, you know, he was going to make me load a U-Haul.

well, I, being a 14-year-old, tough man, strong man, going to whip your butt if you mess with me, I knew it all. I grab a box, go out there, sit it on the tailgate and take off out of there. I mean, he was a lot bigger, I weighed every bit of 80 pounds at that time. So I knew if I stayed on that road, that thing was, you know, five-mile-long. He'd just going to come along. and drag me back. I got down there almost to the barn,

and I remember then talking about that road to come out into some pastures through the woods about two miles long. So I took off down that road, through the woods to get away, you know. I hadn't been in wood 15 minutes, and it started getting dark. I mean dark.

That was more than two miles down through there. I grant you that. It got to where you could just barely see, I guess in the middle, what I call in the middle of the woods, about midway. It got pretty dark. I mean, that's when I heard something started walking beside me. It was 250, 300 foot away from me. But it was kind of, it's a downhill gray, but it was flat across through there,

one way, but like a, a, I don't know, five degree grade downhill. And I could hear it. And I thought that's that S-O-B coming after me. About the time I got that, I thought out of my head, I thought, no, eight two chicken to come down through there. That's not him. So I thought maybe a deer.

But I'm listening to it that far away walking. So I kind of picked my pace up a little bit. Now, Grinchie, this is a real sneaky area. Rattlesnake, carpet, is going to lower up in there. I've got that in mind. All at the same time, I'm listening to whatever, walking over from it here. I get almost out of those woods, and, I mean, it gets so black you can't see the hand in front of your face. I could manage to see a little bit of gray through the foliage of the trees.

I aimed for the gray spot. And to stay on that little old tractor road I was on, so I got too far to the left, I'd brush up against the foliage, the trees, you know, sticking out if I got too far to ride, I'd brush up that. So either way, I'd move back over and found my way out of there. It probably took me 10, 12, 15 minutes to finish finding my way out of it, where it wasn't so dark.

When it came out, it was. There was a little bit of gray sky left, very little. To my right, I saw a roof of a barn. It's probably a mile away through the pasture. And I saw a bitty porch light on a little dim light. So that's what I hated for. Still staying on this little tractor road. Even though I was in the pasture, I could still hear it up in the tree line.

and still is about 300 foot away from me. I came up to the first gate. Of course, there's one of them flat gates that's four foot high, and it had the wood locust post with the bobware on the sides. I crossed the gate or clam across it. I didn't open and shut it. I just, you know, I was pretty young and natural. I just hopped over it.

I got about six, eight steps away from that gate. I heard that barbed wire fence creak all the way down the line. And, boy, I knew then I was in trouble because whatever was following me could push a fence down and cross it. That's when fear really did sit in. I was scared. Still hadn't laid eyes on whatever it was. I crossed four or five fences like that coming out of those pastures because they had them sectioned off. and that barbara just kept going up into the woods.

Every time I would cross it, I mean, it was the same scenario. Five, six, eight steps away from the gate that Bobware fence would streak. When you say that, do you mean like it was climbing over the gate and following you? No, it wasn't climbing over the gate. It was pushing the fence down on up in woods. And are you familiar with how they used? used to do the old fencing with the locus post and a staple. No, I'm not.

Holding a piece of ball barbed wire fence up. And if you push down on it anywhere along that line, you know, it stretches it. And it is pulled through those staples. I got it. And it had a streak. It was creak. Anyway, that's what it was doing. So I knew it was crossing every fence I crossed.

So it's getting on toward dark. By the time I got to that barn, it was pitch black. And it was coming on the right side of the barn because the woodland was coming closer to that house and that barn. And I knew as soon as I stepped around that barn, it was going to help me because it got there before I did. I could hear it walking in the woods. So I got to the, I thought, well, let me get up to that house.

I'm going to knock on that door and get somebody to help me because I don't know what this is. I mean, I did know what it was. I felt it was the thing we had seen five years earlier. I wasn't sure I hadn't laid eyes on, but I could hear it. Got to the house, no cars in the driveway. It was an ass to brick home. Not the first car was in that driveway.

So I didn't know. You know, I was kind of dumbfounded. I was scared. I thought, I can't break anything. in there and they are getting trouble. I can't break in the house. I can't go in the barn. They've come and get me.

The only thing I had to do was well I kept walking. So, I mean, I had paused for about 30 seconds there in front of that house, trying to figure out what to do. As soon as I got to where the trees started,

I mean, they came right down to the road. I walked by and, uh, probably got about 10 foot into the tree where the tree started and it started falling right in behind me. Now it was 15 to 20 foot from me. I promise you, if you put an elephant on his back feet, that's what was in them woods. That's how heavy those footsteps were. You could hear every crunch, every twig they broke.

and you could almost feel them. Now, I'm 14. I'm walking as fast as I can walk, and I'm telling you I was moving. It was taking one step to my two or three, and it was keeping up with me in some of the worst terrain you've ever laid your eyes on. That had been a volcanic area,

and Brock had been pushed up out of the ground, and that little ridge line right through there was one of them. and so they were big boulders in there too. I mean, not gigantic, you know, two to foot by two foot by six foot by eight foot boulders pushed up everywhere.

And all different sizes. That thing followed me right now. I might, I better throw this in. I would stop to listen to this thing walking. as soon as I stopped, it would maybe take one step and then stop.

Now, Wes, it was black as black could be outside. I could not see my hand in front of my face. There was no moon. I don't remember seeing stars. May have been overcast, a light overcast, but it was black outside. The only way I could see to stay on that road,

The road was gravel, limestone gravel. So you could make out, you know, it was great. I knew at any moment I was fixing to get to an eight. Whatever this was, which by this time I didn't figure out something that heavy. That's what I saw when I was nine. And that's when the fear really, really set in. It's when it got so close to me. I felt like I wanted to

throw my insides up. I wanted to pee on myself. I mean, I wanted to pee so bad it hurt. But I was not about to stop and pee. I got, I thought, well, if it's going to get me, it's going to get me. I'm going to go. I'm not going to stop and challenge it. So anyway, this thing followed me 15 to 20 foot from me

for about a mile and a half. And that's the tree, trees stopped and that hillside stopped. And then it was kind of a grassy area area. I was almost out to the paved road. So it stopped following me right there. I quit hearing it. Or it didn't stop following me. I just quit hearing it's what I've done.

Now, I was beyond scared, son. I mean, I was beyond the word scared. I knew that's the way I said. I thought nobody's ever going to know what happened to me. You know, this thing's going to get me. So when it stopped following me, I kind of, now, during all this, you would think I would took off running all, though I knew not to run. I got out to the paved road, which is another mile through that grassy area,

maybe three quarters of a mile from where the wood line stopped and the pavement started. I cut left headed toward town. Now, this is a major highway. It's two lane. Like I say, this was on a Sunday night. There was only three cars passed me that whole time. I was on that pay road, and they were going the opposite way. I was going every time one pass, I'd look around because,

I got about 200 foot down that paved road. This sucker had came out of there, the same road I did, and crossed over into the woods and was following me again. I thought I had got rid of it, but no, it kept following me. Now, it would not get close to that pay road. It stayed about 75,500 feet up into the woods, about 30 minutes they had followed me down that paved road

I heard this tree where it was walking there was this tree from where I heard the crack and I heard the tree coming through the other trees and it hit it had to be a pretty good size tree

because it hit with a bang I mean it was loud now that was a little waste from me probably 150 foot at this time. I kept walking and there was this

old abandoned gas station there. It was painted a real baby blue, sky blue, and you could make out the outline of that old gas station and they had two bay doors, two bays on it with double doors that swung out like barn doors.

They had kind of a log chain holes in the door and a log chain with a lock on them. But there was nobody using the station at that time. Still not. The thing's still there, and it's not in use. I got right past that station. It stood off about 60 foot from the road, maybe 80 foot somewhere in there.

It sounded like, I mean, that thing was still stomping through the woods as I was coming up to the station, and then I quit hearing it. it sounded like it grabbed the whole of those chains and started beating against that door, just back and forth, back and forth. And, I mean, it was loud and it was hard. Now, there was a street light up the road as the only light out there, and it was about a quarter mile away. And then when it, oh, that's what it sounded like it tough, I don't know what it was doing. Be honest with you, I didn't see it.

but it sounded like it was taking those chains and beating them back and forth against that door. That's when I took off into a run. I mean, I was so scared. It was pathetic. I'm older enough now. I don't care who knows it. I was scared to death. I thought to myself, this is what I thought.

I thought if it's going to get me, I want to see what it is. That's why I took off for that street line. well, when I took all running, I didn't stop until I got to that little old store. It had a little light out front. I stopped at it, which was a mile and a half away from where I started running. And this is still about 9.30 at night, 10 o'clock somewhere in there. I stopped there at that little old store and took a rest. I kept looking for it to come, you know, down because.

I was there's a couple other houses with their porch lights on around, and I never did see anything. Now, that little old store is the same store where we had been to when I was 9 years old, and we walked back over to the other house. That was the scenario there. I mean, all we done was moved, you know, 10 miles up the ridge there. Like I said, all was in one area. It's terrifying, isn't it?

especially when you're being followed like that, it feels very aggressive. And you probably know this better than I do, Frank, because you grew up around these sayings. But there's a lot of times where they seem like they're friendly, I mean, like waking up the next morning and there's a pile of firewood outside your door. And then there's other times where you run into these things, and they don't, it doesn't feel friendly at all. It feels very aggressive.

It feels very, I'm sure your brother's encounter of being grabbed in the woods. was starting to come back to you in that moment, that whole time you were trying to move away and get away. Everything. I mean, everything did. Yeah. I hate to interrupt you. No, no, you're fine. I sit around sometimes.

I'm old now. I can't hardly get out into the woods. But I sit around sometimes and think what that thing done to me that night. It makes me so mad. I want to grab my assault rifle and go up and just sit and wait on me and kill it. when I first see it. And then there's other times that thing didn't bother me. I think I was just escorted out of that area.

It wanted to scare me. It was trying to scare me. What I was dealing with and what I have found out I'm dealing with is one of the most intelligent things besides the human on the face of this earth. I would tend to agree with you. I think there's a lot of things with these things. They are a lot smarter than we think. and it makes me wonder if it was the same creature you had seen and you'd run into before in the past or if it was different.

Obviously, if it wanted you, it would have grabbed you. I mean, you were easy pickings at that point. And it didn't. And that's the part that always confuses me about these things because it does feel very aggressive. You know, I've had people on the show in the past who've had encounters like this. And they feel very threatened by it. They feel like they're being escorted, but it's a little more than being escorted. It's if you stop, I'm going to kill you type feeling that people get.

And I don't know if that's the intention that these things are trying to do. I guess banging the chains would be, you know, aggressive. I'm just glad you made it out of there. I'm glad it left you alone. I think it was trying to scare me. I think it was intelligent enough. It knew it was scaring me. and it was trying to tell me don't come back here

we don't you know stay out of here now I have been back to that area I grant you I do not go back without being armed or staying in my buddy in the car yeah I can go up there sometimes I'll get out of the vehicle and go back up there on some of the old roads that were nobody's around

and I'll do some knocks on. I got two sticks that I use, two oak sticks, and I can hit those. I'll get an answer back, or I'll whoop, and I'll get a bird call back. About a month ago, I was up there, I got a convertible, and I was sitting there,

and the convertible and just stopped and waited for about 10 minutes, and then let out a big whoop, and about 200 foot away from him, I stopped an area where there's massive boulders. I'm talking half-sized boulders that fell off of the ridge. I got a weird, weird bird call back. Let me ask you a quick question. What do you think that these creatures are? If someone were to ask you, Frank, what is Sasquatch?

What are these things? What would you say to them? Oh, in the genome, I think there's a missing link that everybody's looking for. They're not innate and they're not a human. They're their own species. I mean, there's not no mix there. They are their own species. They're too intelligent, too intelligent.

There was no crossing, I don't think, of genes. they formed on their own the research I've done they've been here for thousands of years and been seen for thousands of years I've talked to Sabilla about this in fact I've talked to her a couple of times she's a great person

I think you probably know her she's up here in Kentucky yeah Sybilla does the for the audience listening she does the artist renditions of what witnesses say they saw and she does a great job actually i've talked to simbolo before she's very sweet very nice lady but go ahead frank just getting the audience and background yeah um it was when i talked to her

this first time i'd ever got to talk to anyone about this with that has some intelligence talking back most people will ridicule you or say oh yeah oh yeah i believe you won't believe it i can't make nobody believe it until they experience what I've experienced. And so I don't tell too many people about my experiences. I just want to grab them by the throat and drag their butts up there and drop them off in the middle of the night and say, here, have your own. It pisses me off, to be frankly, that they're ridicule about what I'm trying to tell them and what I'm trying to tell them what's out there.

They sit in their recliners and their couches and run around and camp out every now and then, but no, they have no idea what's out there. That's just, that's what pisses in your own. Yeah, well, more and more people are starting to come forward. You know, more and more people are coming forward, and there is a ridicule factor. I don't know that that will ever go away until one of these things is dragged out of the woods. and for everyone to see, I think there'll always be somewhat of that ridicule. The frustrating part about the Bigfoot subject is there's a lot of evidence.

There's a ton of evidence. I think if we were dealing with, let's say, a feline out there, a prehistoric feline, you know, like a saber-toothed tiger, and everyone had the same descriptions, and we had footprints, and we had audio of them, and we had, even though, some blurry pictures. We had blurry pictures. I think science would stop and go, well, wait a minute,

maybe this thing is still real. Maybe this thing is still up there, but I think the fact of this thing's on two legs, it's humanoid. I think there's an arrogance a lot of times with science or even a lot of people out there who don't get out in the woods

and they think there's no way this thing could exist. There's no way this is real. And it is frustrating. I understand completely. I mean, I think anyone who's had an encounter and comes out and talks about, about it, Frank, I think goes through that. I went through it. I mean, I was drugged through the mud.

I was called every name in the book by people I've never, never even met. And, but I think everyone kind of goes through that. And I think it's getting more and more acceptable than it was back in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s. I think in the last probably 10 years, people are starting to go, well, wait a minute, maybe there's something out there. And that's one of the reasons why I created the show is to give people an opportunity to talk about what they experienced. You know, if people think Frank's crazy, okay, well, what about the other, you know, thousands of witnesses I've had on. Are they all nuts?

You know, is everyone here, you know, it's sure funny how Frank says different things through his encounter. And it's the same thing a guy saying in Washington State. It's the same thing a guy saying in Pennsylvania. It's the same thing a guy saying, you know, guy or gal is saying in California. I just had Jamie on the show, you know, the guest prior, and he was talking about the Ohio hal, hearing the Ohio howl. And that's just a vocalization. Let's not even talk about, you know, people seeing it.

Let's just focus on this vocization that was captured in Ohio. Now, you might think, well, that's crazy. I don't know what that is. What if I could have another vocalization from Texas that you could listen to? That's very similar to what you just heard. Now, what is this down in Texas? Now, how about if I play one from Pennsylvania? And I think most of the people in the Bigfoot world...

Yeah, they sound the same. And most people in the Bigfoot world would listen to that and go, oh, that's the Ohio. Well, no, this is from Pennsylvania. You know, so, I mean, there's... It's almost laughable at this point that the general public and science doesn't take this seriously because there's so much more evidence out there than, you know, besides a dead body, I don't know what else we can do.

You know, what else can we do? I just kind of highlighted my experiences. I haven't told you all of them. Of course, it would take a long time to tell you everything. But as a kid, used to hear whistles coming from the woods, and we got to where we wouldn't mimic those whistles. And we'd sit there two or three hours because we didn't have a TV. I was either listened to the radio or go to bed.

So we used to sit on the front porch. after dark. We sit there and whistle at these things and you'd hear one over to the left and then 30 minutes later it would be another one to start up over to the right.

And you'd just call them in and sit there and have a whistling contest with them. Many times done that. I mean, that was a past time. But yeah, I mean, I can mimic their whistles down almost to the teeth.

It's crazy to say, you've done that. Of course, we don't, I can't prove what I was whistling to or what was whistling back, but something was there whistling. I know that. Now, my last encounter was in 1980,

as far as close encounter. I had moved around, I mean, over the years, you know, I'd moved to different spots and on several pieces of property. And I got tired of, I had moved to Nashville and found, you know, that's where all the good work was at. So I lived in Nashville for a long time. And then I moved back up there to East Tennessee in 88.

My girlfriend was living with me at the time. We had a young baby, and I had a six-year-old son from my previous marriage. we had moved out in the country up there because I'm more comfortable in the country than I am in the city I don't know what's out there but I'm still more comfortable I like the woods I mean I feel at home there

we moved out as a house we had rented the house at this time out on the finger ridge outside of this town I'm talking about Now, it was on the opposite side of this town, where these counters happened when I was small, took on where this one happened in 88, at probably 30 miles distance. Anyway, we lived there for a couple of months.

It was in the middle February. Oh, the leaves off trees. We had these two little dogs, weighed about 15, 20 pounds, two little brown. two little brown dogs and good nature dogs. We had a back deck. We had kind of like a four-foot run all over in the house. They connected the deck to the doors. We didn't have a door back here at the deck.

And one out about 9.30. Actually, I would start ahead of this. Three days prior to this, something killed when they were a little dog. So I went out that they hadn't made it home by about 10 o'clock, I guess, 11 o'clock. So I went out, took a shotgun out. I was calling for them, they didn't answer. So I went back in the house. I probably stayed out there about 15 minutes calling for them.

Off that finger ridge was just a big hollow valley, a gorge, you know, spooky. It was spooky down in there, I'm telling you it was. anyway about 10 minutes after going back to the house heard something at the front door opened the front door and there laid one of my dogs

and the son to the mother that was still missing and something I mean it looked like somebody took a razor blade and sliced this dog up you're still alive but I mean

he made it back for that front door and he made sure he banged on it because that's the only way we knew he was out there. God doesn't give up for the night. I had to go to work next day. So anyway, we brought him in and gave him the bath, worked the blood and stuff off of him. And I sewed up, seized him up the best I could.

I went out the next morning, early in the next morning, found the other dog down in that gorge, and she was dead. And like I say, she only weighed about 15 pounds. 18, something like that. She's small, less than foot high. The only marks I found on that dog was two puncher wounds in her stomach, about three inches apart, about as big as a pencil, each puncher one, and that's the only marks that was on that dog.

The other one had been cut up pretty bad. I mean, if you took a razor blade and sliced him, that's what it looked like. About three days later, or three nights later. My girlfriend at about 9.30 took the garbage out, and she had to go out the door and walk down that little four-foot rail to the back of the deck. And off the back of the deck, I had a thing where a couple of garbage cans sat on it. She'd come around the back of the house, scared of death. She said, get your gun. There's something out there.

I said, what is it? You know, jumps up. What is it? She said that thing is about 10 foot tall. and it is ugly because we only had a porch light and it was about 10 foot away from it and the deck was about 4 foot high

and she was looking at eye to eye and so I grabbed my gun and went out there and of course I didn't see nothing but I could hear it it then dropped down in that gorge where there was no light it's probably about 60 foot away from me at this time and you could hear

the footsteps, crunch, crunch, every footstep. Now, the gun out grabbed was a 44 Magnum Raffle, Marlin. I always kept it loaded because I lived in the woods. I know what was in woods. I hollered at it. I mean, it was right straight down the front of me. It didn't stop.

It just kept its pace, crunch, crunch. So I hollered louder and screamed at it. Nothing. It did not stop. Didn't change. his pace didn't take off running. So I fired that 44 Magum off up into the air. Well, it stopped.

And it stopped for about 10 seconds. And it proceeded its pace, crumped, crumped, didn't take off running. So I stood out there and now it was a little bit of light. Not a lot, but you couldn't see down in that gorge from the trees.

And it was just dark. down in there. It was in the gorge and I was up on top of the finger ridge and I just kind of followed the pace around and let it get in front of me. I just eased back on top of that finger ridge and was listening to it. Now on both sides was a gorge and they'd come around and met into one and at the bottom was about a 15, 12 or 15 foot drop. You know, water had washed it out. And it was a good 12th foot high. I heard it jump off of that and continue with space.

It did not break stride. It jumped. I heard it hit. And I listened to it and go all the way down that gorge, crunching them leaves and twigs. Next day, I went Wally Whirl and bought me one of the strongest spotlights I could find. day after that I went and bought me a 30-0-6 automatic that's the last incident I ever had with one of do you think that I killed your dogs do you think the creature killed your dogs I don't know what killed those dogs but I mean the teeth marks or the fang marks the puncher wounds there were two three inches I measured them

I measured those puncher wounds they were three inches apart and they were big as a pencil. Now, there was no blood come out of. She never had a spot of blood on her. Strange. Oh, I mean, she was frozen still because it got down pretty cold that night.

But, yeah, the other dog never would even go to the back of the house. He stayed in the front of the house. Never did he go back to the back. Now, of the evening, I had to work the day, of course. And of evening, sometimes I'd get home

And just about the dusky dark, if I went around the corner of the house, I could smell this rank dead smell. And it's not every time I'd smell it, probably once or twice a week. I'd smell that. And I thought, there's something dead here. And then it dawned on, you know, those things, that's quite stink. I've had a lot of big time you say that's quite stink. Now, this is long before the Internet. Of course, I have found out so much more since I've got YouTube and found your podcast and all these others.

But I think you do a better job than half of them out there or 90% of them out there. I appreciate that, ma'am. It just, of course, most of that stuff you see on TV, wave them off for fools that they are. A few of them are intelligent, but most of them are just fools. You won't find Saskarts. don't go out there with the Army and, you know, go out there by yourself, you or your buddy, and he'll find you, guarantee it.

Yeah, no, I agree with you. One thing I wanted to ask you about the puncture holes, were they in the neck of the dog? Where was the puncture holes located? They were in the side of her belly to where it looked like something that's rest down and took a bite out of her. Yeah. she didn't have no slobber on there no blood on her all it was it was of two holes

you know it's such a strange killing especially with the there being no blood it makes you wonder if these things got a hold of it and why they would kill your dogs you know a lot of times dogs are run usually it's the big dogs they get it not the little her dogs you know what I mean

I had heard those dogs when I had got home it was right at dark when I'd got home that night. I had heard those dogs barking down there. I didn't think that about the out of time barking. But they were really raising things.

And then when they didn't come home, I went to look for them. And so that was my son's dogs. And we were kind of attached to them. They were family members. But sure enough, I mean, she had no blood on her. Not one being.

It's definitely odd. It's very strange, very odd. And I know you have so much more that you can share with the audience. I'll definitely have to have you back, Frank. I really enjoyed talking with you. I enjoyed hearing your encounters and hearing your take on it. I'm with, you know, it's hard to say what these things are. You do, you run the, you definitely get a broad spectrum of behaviors with them,

you know, like them collecting the firewood, you know, even though you guys didn't see it. I mean, what else is going to bring a big pile of firewood to your house? And then you get this other thing. That had to be one of them. I would agree with you. I would agree with you on that. This was a big pile of wood. Yeah.

And, well, I mean, who's going to collect wood and come bring it up to your house, especially being out in the middle of nowhere? You know what I mean? Like, who's going to do that? It's very odd. Not a person, I mean, would do that. But then you get the behaviors of them. you know, following you through the woods or your dog's being killed or, you know, sometimes you get very aggressive behavior from these things.

And I've done. Now, I don't mean to interrupt you. No, go ahead. As far as aggressive, thinking and looking back on the night it followed me out of the woods, that thing was never, never aggressive towards me. They never growled. I never heard no growl. I never heard no whoop, no holler, no, no, no whistle, no nothing, no breeding.

All I heard was those heavy footsteps. But as far as being, of course, the aggressive part was in my head and in my stomach. I wanted to empty my inside of that. I was scared of dead. I believe it. I had, I didn't have, you know, I didn't know the things and tensions. And that's the worst. Isn't it though, Frank?

Isn't that the worst? You know, I'm a big scary guy, but to admit fear and being afraid for your life is a tough thing to do, especially for guys like us. You know, it's that's not an easy thing to do to go, hey, I was scared. I was legitimately terrified in that moment. And you could be right. It was pushing you out, but it's still terrified. I have been shot at over the years. I mean, I had a bullet hit two foot away from him on a brick wall, jealous boyfriend.

But I've been stabbed and I've been cut in a knife fight. I had no way to defend myself near the time. I wasn't nowhere near as scared as I was that night. And I don't ever want that again. Like I say, I could sit around and think about it. It makes them so mad. I just want to take my gun there and kill it. Yeah.

But in the same breath, I want to leave them being. They have a right to live. I understand. But I do agree with you. You're going to have to bring a body in and shove it down everybody's throat. Yeah. There's no question about that. Well, thank you for agreeing with me, because not too many people do.

I've been called every name in the book, but it's just reality. Yeah, it's not. It's nothing personally against... That's the assholes that sit in their recliners and I can leave my lawn. you know. Yeah, that's true. They don't have any experience whatsoever. Yeah.

Well, I thank you so much for taking the time to come on, Frank, and taking the time out of your evening to do this and share your encounters. Because, you know, the more that people share, the more, I think it changes people's minds when you hear encounter after encounter after encounter, you know, and then you hear... I'll tell you what, your show, your podcast,

is one of the biggest release to my well-being, my psychic. I sat there and I listened to other people's experiences, and I know that I'm not the only crazy person on the face of this earth. That happened to me. Yeah. That was real. There's no question about it. Yeah.

And I can't think you would know. for what you do. I mean, I can't. No things needed. The thing goes to people like you, Frank, that are willing to come on. We need you bad. I mean, so there's some people leaving the air I've noticed, and

you know, they don't know what they're doing, but that's why they're leaving the hair. Yeah, whatever we need to do to keep you on here, people need a release. It helps to talk about it to some

that understands has been there, really. I've listened to your encounter, and I'm surprised you didn't have a heart attack that night. I wish I could see one as clear as you did, but that's what I'm wanting. I'd love to. I'd love to see one up close and personal, but that's half a half chicken.

I don't have nothing to do with them. Yeah. You know, it's that, you know, you're pulled both ways. Yeah, no, I get it. Well, I appreciate the kind of words, and thank you again for coming on. All right. I appreciate you having me on, and it's nice talking to you. And like I say, I'll give you the highlights.

There's a bunch of stuff happened over the years that nothing is as exciting as is, but a lot of little stuff that I did not share. My mom and dad both, they would, after we got up to a certain age, they'd start telling their stories that happened to them when they were young. And this dates back into 20s and 30s. And they grew up in the same area as I was in here with these things. Well, I'll definitely have to have you back. All right, Wes. I appreciate you, Colin.

I won't take up more of your time. No, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Yeah, thank you. you, Frank. Have a good day. You too. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is

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