Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:38 USAF and Bigfoot

Episode Date: July 5, 2014

We will be speaking to a member of the United States Air Force who will discuss sightings around the base.

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What's going on now, sir? That's sort of a bitch is about 60 foot.

Yes, I'm looking right here. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Radio, Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, Liam Jeffey. Let's start the show. I'm fine. How are you this evening? Oh, pretty good. I was glad to hear it. Well, it was pretty interesting information you sent us, so I guess I'll just let you...

Oh, okay, sure. Well, if we go back to 1971, if you can go back that far, I joined the United States Air Force at the tender age of 19. Completing basic training and advanced training, I was stationed at Davis-Monton Air Force Base in Tucson. And at the time, Davis-Montan was a SAC back then, Strategic Air Command. We had a couple of wings of B-52. These planes were loaded up with hydrogen bombs. If you've ever seen the movie, Dr. Strangelove, and there are 52 with swum pickings at the stick flying into Russia. That's what these planes were for.

there that I'd been placed into the police. One was law enforcement. The other one was security, law enforcement, which is what I was then was like your town cop. Security was the guy carried the M-16 weapon store missile ICBM silos. A guy who I was working with to bring some coffee at the entry control point at the weapon storage area out of Davis-Montan. And what that is is, it's about a, oh, about a 10-acre storage, nuclear storage facility. It's an area where they kept all the nuclear bombs. Wow. So you would have these bunkers within this area.

Light poles every few feet, the light area. Of course, you had the fences going around the Constitution. And at the entry control point, there was a small building, and this was where your security guys kind of hung out, That was their base of operations. All to bring them out coffee, about 1 a.m. At the other end of the base, we get there, you had to drive through the base, and then you entered an area where it's called the,

there's an acronym for it. I can't remember the acronym, but it's a huge area with all these aircraft that have been decommissioned, and they'll take parts off the planes, I guess render the parts. I don't know exactly what they did with them. The two-lane road, small two-lane road that you took from the base proper to get out to the weapon storage area where we were to deliver the coffee. So we're driving down this two-lane road, and of course there's nobody out there but us. It's kind of creepy because you're out in the desert.

Both sides you have the aircraft storage areas with thousands of planes. This is on the right and on the left surrounding this area where cyclone fences with, barbed wire at the top and every few hundred feet you would have a couple of gates that would allow workers to go in to remove their parts or do whatever they did. It's like a driving down a funnel and on both sides are the fences like I said. So we get to the end which it took us maybe five, seven minutes to get there. I don't know a mile and a half, two miles maybe of driving down this two-lane road and you get to the weapon storage area and we pull. We give them the few minutes, turned around, headed back the same way we came in.

As we get about halfway down the road again, our headlights pick up this object setting in the middle of the road. My first thoughts when I saw it was that it wasn't running any lights. And as we got closer, I thought it was a car that was possibly broken down on the middle of the road. But then when we even got closer, you could see. see that when we got really close, you could see that what it was, in fact, was an airplane engine.

Pardon me? I just said, wow. Yeah. That's right. And it ties in with the other stuff, too, and what your radio program is known for. Pull up fairly close to this thing, we get out and we're looking at this, and it's about the size of a, maybe a little smaller than a Volkswagen. It's like a prop off a, I wouldn't call it a World War II airplane, maybe something

a little bit newer, but it's a big prop. minus the propeller. So it's the engine. And we're looking at this and we're looking at and then we start looking for drag marks and we're looking for like an entry point where this could have been dragged out like a gate. There's no gates around allowing access to wherever this came from. There's no drag marks. So it's like this thing was picked up, carried over the fence and then dropped in the center of the roads. This is on a sack page. You don't have people out there playing prank. You know, like Airmen getting drunk and moving engines into the center of the road from the storage area, it doesn't happen. How's all you think those sensitive? Yeah, standardly sensitive out there. I mean, these are old planes sitting out there. I believe it's still there. You probably Google it and zoom in on it.

It's just hundreds, perhaps even thousands of planes just sitting out there. We decide we better call our boss. So we call him, he comes out. He's looking. He can't figure it out. So he tells us to get back in the car. He gets on the radio. Next thing we know, brass starts showing up,

and they're milling around the engine, walking back and forth. Ended up, the base commander was called out. So he's looking at this thing. And I guess nobody could figure anything out. And we're then told by our flight chief that he would meet us back at operations and wait for him there. So we went back and he came into the room shaking his head and he tells us, you know, you're to forget about this. Anybody ask you about it?

You don't tell them anything. Nothing happened. Okay. So now I get to know these guys working with them in security out at the weapon storage area because every night I'm out there working with them back and forth. So they start telling me these tales of that periodically, not every night, not every night, night, not every other night, but periodically they'll see running around in the nuclear storage area from, and they'll see it running from telephone pole to telephone pole, and they'll alert on this thing.

They'll go out. Most nights they had a canine sentry dogs. They couldn't get, whenever they saw this thing, they could not get the dogs through the gates to go to sniff it out or located or whatever. They themselves could never locate this thing. tall black bipedal thing. And it was a big mystery to them, but they were pretty, you know, they're pretty distraught about the thing, and they were

really spooked out working out there. No. Uh-uh. The only from a distance, but they would see it run, and they'd said it was tall and dark and running on two legs. They would try to locate the thing, they could never locate it. They'd go into alert mode and get people out in mass and just couldn't find anything. scenario with hydrogen bombs.

Did any of them ever mention what they thought it was? No, you know, not the time. You know, I mean, I remember talking about this quite often with them because I was interested in this kind of stuff, you know. UFOs. I always had interest in UFOs. I thought, you know, maybe something to do with UFOs. I really didn't think about it until years went by

I started piecing together things, things that I've read, things that I saw myself. But, I mean, at that point when they were telling me then, when I was at Davis-month and I figured some sort of maybe paranormal types. I can't say this thing was a, from the description of it being very, very large and running on two legs and being very dark, you know, sort of fits on what is in the category. The base, either... When they would alert on this thing, they would attempt to bring in canine. Like I said, they told me that they can never get the dogs through the gate.

Country dogs. About two of your books, by the way, Will. Oh, thank you so much. You're a lot. I hope you enjoy it. From the field and Haunted Valley. I think I can't. I think I'll read Haunted Valley first.

I like that. The looks of it. Well, they're a really good book. You know, I lived out in Tucson back. in 1982 to 85. While I lived out there in the Catalina foothills, there were several times that I was still at a young age, but I remember hearing people mention seeing things,

especially in the foothills of those mountains there. Some people went missing a few years before I moved out there, and I remember people talking and saying it was in an area a bit. All the helicopters going into the Catalinas into a certain valley back there. Pretty crazy. We just moved back to California. We were there for four years.

We lived up at Skyline and Campbell. Yeah, I know exactly where it is. Yeah. Well, it's right at the foot of the Catalinas. Yeah. Like I said, I heard, you know, several times people talk about some missing people and they related it to some Sasquatch fighting in those foothills. Well, they have them up north for sure.

the, what is it, the White Mountains? Forward on this one. Okay, maybe kind of tie things in together. So I leave Davis-Montan and get sent overseas, get orders that come back, this time to Luke Air Force Base outside Phoenix. Luke was a tack-based, tactical air command. They taught fighter pilots from around the world out of fly F-4s, F-15s when they first came in. So I'm working at Luke as a security port.

policeman again, you work all shifts, and after a little bit they made me death sergeant, so I'm kind of mainly because I can type. So I would field all the calls at dispatch center there, kind of like a little command center. I'd field the calls from downtown Phoenix in the surrounding areas from civilians who wanted to report UFOs. And officially what I had to tell them was, is that the United States, Air Force no longer investigates UFOs when they close Project Blue Book and 69, and I would direct them to call their local PD.

So then their local PD, they'd call local PD, and the local PD'd tell them to call us. Before it there. That's a good way to give them to stop calling. Oh, yeah, yeah, you know, shut up, you're seeing nothing, you know. So I'm getting these calls all, you know, periodically I get the calls with this one night. I get these calls that are like nonstop, and I'm telling these people you've got to call your sheriff's department or local police department, whatever. This is like one in the morning. Oh, I should back up, do this chronologically.

So I'm sitting on the desk one night, and the sabotage security alert team, security guys are carrying M6 teams. And what their job is is once they call, then they'll go to the area and find out what the problem was. neutralizer problem or whatever. So these guys are kind of mobile around on base, and they work in a Dodge six-pack, which is your old rendition of a, you know, your large trucks you see now with four doors. Right, right.

This is one of these vehicles. Come in one night around 1, 2 a.m. I'm sitting on the desk, and they would come in periodically, maybe three, four times a week, and steal our coffee, standing around in the office and kind of BS. So I'm sitting at the desk and he come walking in.

We kind of nod to each other and I'm typing away and I'm looking at these guys and they're just not acting the same, right? And I'm looking at them and they look like at me and I said, come here a second. I said, what the hell is the matter with you guys? So he says, you're not going to believe what just happened to us where they came into the office. They were parked out at the flight line. The flight line then, and I know it's very secure now, But back in the early 70s, you had the flight line out in the desert. And you didn't have any fences or anything.

It was just flight line, and then you could throw a rock in almost any direction, and you're out in the desert. Just off the flight line, had the truck shut off. Two guys in the front, one in the back. The guy in the front passenger side said he turned around, he's talking to the guy in the back. he says as he's talking to him he picks up this thing that he says came running in from the desert running towards their truck and buy pedal running on two legs truck he starts screaming at the driver

to start the truck and get the hell off him turn around to see what he's talking about and they see this thing run up to the truck take one bound and jump over the rear bed of the truck hit the ground take a few steps and it's gone and this is as they're peeling of way trying to get out? Yeah, I definitely. Oh, yeah, these guys were freaked. Did they have to report anything like that in official? Yeah, I don't know.

I don't think, I mean, I don't know for sure, but I don't think they would have told anybody. You know, I've wondered because... And he said earlier that I think it was your commander at the one in Tucson. Yeah. Yeah. He absolutely said that you, you know, didn't speak of it. Yeah. just have a basic order for everybody that night.

Right. Just keep your mouth shut. Now, as to the SAT team reporting this, you know, I didn't ask them if they were going to report it. I mean, I don't think they did. They probably didn't. Yeah. I mean, they would probably be taken in for drug testing

had they come up with a story like that and put it in their report. They told you what they thought they had just witnessed or were they just basically in shock and not really going in any direction? I mean, did they think it could have been a wild animal? I mean, what did they? They identified as all they couldn't make out any features. It was just like a tall, black thing, you know, humanoid running on two legs. Exactly.

Yeah, especially out in the desert. Even at that point, I'm not thinking Bigfoot. I'm thinking something more paranormal. I mean, at that point, back then. Right, right. You know, I've heard of respect that. Yeah. So, you know, whether this is a Bigfoot type of creature, I don't know.

I mean, it sounds like it. Well, it does sound like it. Well, I've read various reports of these things out in the desert areas like that. It's a place you wouldn't think about them being, but we do get occasional. It could be that they're just possibly, you know, migrating, passing through. that it's hard to think that they could, you know, people automatically assume there's no way they could stay hidden in the desert region. But if they get into the mountains, you know, at some point, then there you go. There's their cover.

Yeah, and I think it's probably more about finding food than hiding. Exactly. I mean, as long as there's food sources and water. Forward to your shows. Yeah, and thanks for serving our country. Oh, well, thanks. Thank you. Well, stay in touch, then.

We'll chat some more. Yeah, we will. Take care. How are you doing? Well, Wes says you... Yeah, I've got some... I haven't seen anything, but I've had quite a few things happen here at the farm. Okay.

Our family... We just call it the farm. Well, in about 1970, we moved into this farm. It's 17 acres, and I was about, I think, about 12. Probably another year or two, we'd by. I mean, we heard things and it didn't pay any attention to them. Fireplace installed. And it's about six foot wide at the outside, made out of brick.

And I was, my dad was at a Navy meeting, and it was about, I guess it was about 10 o'clock at night. And I was upstairs in my bed watching TV. I was just kind of kicking back. and my headboard, we always kept it, you know, three or four inches away from the wall. And we just heard this incredible crash, like something, we thought a truck hit the house or, you know, a big rig or something. My headboard actually hit the wall, moved the whole house. And I thought, okay, that's weird. So I go downstairs, and my mom's eyes, she was next to the fireplace, and her eyes are huge.

And I said, what was that? And, you know, she's like, I have no idea. And I grabbed the flashlight and I ran outside. I thought somebody ran into the side of the house. And there's nothing there. There's not even, you know, it was too dry to show footprints or anything. but I looked for tire tracks. We couldn't figure it out.

Driveways probably, I'm guessing, an eighth of a mile. It goes straight up, and then it turns to the right, heads to the road. And off to the left, as it turns, there's an old logging road. And that belongs to another gentleman. And so what I did is I grabbed two flashlights, and I grabbed my dad's 357 Magnum, and I kind of put it in my belt in the back. Well, just in case. And, you know, I never thought about Bigfoot or bears or anything.

I just went for it. We thought maybe there was an explosion on the road. So, you know, we go up there and I didn't see a thing. And I'm like, okay, what, you know, what's going on? Really strange. And so I come back down the road, and no sooner and I got right to that corner where that logging road was, it's like just total the only thing I can explain is

like there's a predator watching me that it's like a death feeling it's and at 13, 14 years old I couldn't believe that I was trained with weapons and stuff we always quick through and my dad didn't

my dad's weapons were not the playboy under the bed we just target practice And, you know, within about a second, I had that one flashlight under my arm. I had the 357 out of my belt, and I had it pointed in that direction. And I thought, you know, something's there. And it freaked me out so bad. And I didn't see anything. But I think on the way back to the house, they say not to run.

But, you know, I'm sorry. I think I touched gravel three times by the time I got back to the house. But let me ask you on that side of the house. No, it's a solid wall. The only thing I can explain is it's like something came up and just smacked the fireplace. But what could hit it that hard? Right, shake the wall that much of wall. It's an old house.

We're in Northwestern, I actually look out my back door and I can see Livingston Mountain. Okay, okay. Crazy. That's just part of it. I mean, we're almost wanting to move. I mean, and I want to see him. I want to go out and I would love to go investigating with you guys. But for us to live with it.

This is still going on. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. There's still stuff happening. No, that's okay. So moving forward, you know, I joined the service and I did my thing and moved on. And, I mean, we've had several other little things that it's like, who knows what it was, that type of thing. but my mom and dad eventually passed away

and I'm actually buying my sisters out and so we moved back on the property say I don't know two years after we've been here four years so about two years after we moved in we heard weird things happen and you just shake it off and just say oh well it's probably an animal or a neighbor or who knows what well my wife

she works nights and I work days and I was in, you know, in bed, and I usually get up about five. She gets home at three in the morning, and she goes, like, wake up, wake up. And I'm like, what now? You know, and she goes, something scared the dog so bad. They ran into the house. Now, my dogs aren't afraid of anything. They just, they just not.

And they'll, well, my one big dog, she'll chase a deer until one of them fall down. so we got a fenced area but my wife told me was something that was really weird she told me this of course after I get up and I come out in my boxer shorts and I'm sitting there with a with a 22 rifle in my hands

thinking you know it's a she goes no you don't understand she goes right over by the fence she goes and it's dark she goes something grunted like a like an eight And I eventually let her hear some of, you know, you search around YouTube and you listen for, you know, big foot sounds.

She picked one out. That was pretty reliable. I don't remember who it was, but it was a really reliable source. And I said, say what? And but, yeah, it was just on the other side of the fence line here, probably, I don't know, 75 feet. She said she could hear it walking to the grass, whatever it was. Wow. And that wasn't far from the house.

And one other quick one was she was, again, this was broad daylight this time. She was sitting on the porch here, the porch chair, and of course the dogs are running around. Now, this time the dogs didn't seem to notice anything. But she said she heard a stump, and as she looked up, there's this probably three-inch, four-inch diameter rock that was bouncing. something in her front yard as if it came from the upper field. Now, my upper, and she looked all around. There was nothing in the field. But my upper field is probably a couple hundred yards from the tree line,

where the Bonneville, where, you know, the power lines run. Right, right. And I don't know what the heck could throw a rock that far. Maybe a professional baseball. I don't know. That was a long ways. How reason was that? If I had to guess, probably about six months ago or so.

No, it was actually, no, it was probably closer to the fall in the fall airtime, you know, before the weather got nasty. Right, right. And here's another thing, too. As I'm standing here looking out of my front porch, I can look to my left, and we've got about a half a dozen 100-year-old apple trees. Now, I just took pictures today because I noticed, and I've noticed this before,

is up to a certain level the apples are all gone. About eight, nine feet. The whole rest of the tree is just killed a. Right. Yeah, I've seen that. Well, that makes sense. That has to be just an amazing thing to walk up on, though, and witnessing that.

You know, that area. Of course, it is not far from where West and Woody had their encounter. You're kidding. I heard that, I think. I heard that encounter. And you know what? I've been all up and down to Washville and never seen anything. But, you know, I imagine.

Well, that's like that show, what's that show, that Bigfoot show, that everyone watches it. I kind of laugh every time I watch it. Not finding to quick. No, yeah, right. You know, when I was with my dad and he used to hunt, you don't walk to the forest talking and smacking things and jumping around and expecting to find anything.

Right, as a hunter, the last thing you know, we'll do, want to do as make any noise. In fact, you know, so you can imagine what works. Yeah, like bringing a circus through the wood, you know. Right. Oh, absolutely. And you're supposed to... If you don't want to see it...

Well, you know, it kind of goes back to, I think it was in India where they used to hunt tigers, brush beating. Live the animals. Right. And what those guys... Like 40 acres the other direction when they're doing that. Exactly. Somebody does. You know, the other day, actually it was about a month ago, I had this big...

It's like which you can park an RV under... Next to the house, and it's pretty tall. Anyway, I got lumber stacked up out there, and I was going to go out and go out and go through the lumber. It's kind of I was doing a project. No sooner did I lift to reach the little cyclone gate to walk.

There's a cyclone gate between the house and the building there. As soon as that right over, there's 40 acres to the west of me and there's nothing on that 40 acres. And I lift up the latch

and it's kind of sweet. And I heard this crack. I mean, it was it wasn't directly across from me. It was kind of down the hill a little bit. And I thought, you know, what the heck? And I listened for, I don't know, 20, 30 minutes and nothing.

Never saw anything or anything. Yeah. Interesting. You know, since you've been, since that time when you were young and you were so scared that day, have you felt that fear? I mean, when you've been out on the property, have you felt like, that feeling you described, you know, where you just feel like something a predator is around or you feel afraid, you know, something that you can't even see yet.

Have you had that feeling come across to you again? Oh, many times. But it's not all the time. Yeah. You know, I don't go out looking for that fear because I have a lot of work to do on the property. We have a rule here. In fact, my wife just got back from the walk and she's got my 38-strapped to us. side.

When we leave the fence line, the inner fence line of our home, we generally don't go out there without something strapped on us. I've got some pictures. I'll send you, Mike, for things to watch for, some different signs. Oh, cool. Yeah. My wife's just told me she just heard something out there. It's kind of, it's not, the property here I don't think is worth an investigation or anything

like that because I think what they're doing is probably using the power lines and they're on both ends of us. You know, they might be using the edge of the power lines at night to get around or something. Right. They used to be far from... Okay. Yeah, that goes way, way back. The easiest method of travel, you know.

Oh, yeah. It makes sense. Well, it's just like the deer. The deer, you know, and it's hard traveling, they'll take the path at least resistance. Right. That's the whole point in why they make game trails. You know, I sure, I got to tell you, I... you're probably the only show I really listen to anymore.

And one reason I guess is because a lot of stuff that you talk about is around our area. Nobody ever talks about our area. They talk about everything else. But I'm really curious, though. I'm really curious about because we were talking about buying a house in the Amboy area, and I'm like, do I really want to move to Amboy? Well, there is more people up in Amboy now than it used to be, but he's lived there more real.

Right. But yeah, no. Yeah, I'd love to be involved in it. I actually have a son with cerebral palsy, and he takes up most of my time. Otherwise, I'd probably be right in the middle of looking into that. Sure. You know, or joining somebody on an investigation.

It's fascinating to me. But as far as the fear thing goes here, you don't usually notice it, but once in a while, and it's not a moment. imaginary thing. There's something... Oh, yeah. And it's amazing how that gets you right in your core, and you're like, wait a minute,

I wasn't thinking anything bad. You all know exactly what you mean, yeah. It's kind of odd. I think we all have... Pardon? I think that's just kind of sixth sense we all have, you know, an instinct. Yeah. Yeah.

I think it's been there. a very long time. Yeah, that goes right back, and I think it's like... Right, right. And, you know, hopefully it happens in our lifetime. Well, let's hope so. Yeah. Well, I wish I had some kind of scary stories to tell you, but, you know, I mean,

I know some scary stories, but it has nothing to do with that. Well, Mike, we appreciate that, and we appreciate you coming on and contact information. Oh, that'd be awesome. Some things for you to want. Yeah, we really appreciate that you take time. tell us the story. I mean, that's really something, you know. I always love hearing it from people, especially.

Right. Well, I do hear a few people that have said things, but I think most people are afraid of ridicule and kind of like being a conspiracy. There are a lot of people that mean things in that area. Oh, yeah. And I don't know why. Photography, 14, you go through. Kid me.

Fascinating by these stories, because sometimes you hear about people that, that, it's not a yell, I don't know what you call it. A lot of predators have it. where they can almost immobilize somebody. And I don't know if Bigfoot's have that or not, but some of the stories you listen to, it's like, it's got to be there. Something's got to be happening.

You just scared so much to death that, you know, and that's what happened to me. And some of it's psychological, too. Right. And that in itself is fascinating. Sure, appreciate you guys calling me. It was nice to be able to talk about it with someone besides my wife.

We sure appreciate you coming on and telling us, Mike. Hey, no problem. And I love your show. Oh, well, thanks. We appreciate it. I'm more than interested. You know, I'll find a babysitter if you ever go on an expedition. Let me know. You got it.

In fact, I even have a night vision. It's not very good, but it's something. That's right. I used to have one that wasn't very good, but you know. Yep. I bought it specifically for that reason. want to see what's out there. And, you know, we'll see. Maybe we'll see them someday. Well, keep us posted on that. All right, I will. And thank you so much.

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