Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:382 Bob Gimlin Returns

Episode Date: November 23, 2017

My favorite guest returns, Bob Gimlin. This is going to be a laid back show where I just let Bob speak. We will be discussing the time Bob and Roger Patterson found the Ape Canyon Cabin that was attack. A Ape Canyon is a gorge along the edge of the Plains of Abraham, on the southeast shoulder of Mount St. Helens in the state of Washington. The gorge narrows to as close as eight feet (2.5 m) at one point. The name alludes to a reported encounter with several "apemen" in 1924. I will also be asking Bob if he has ever seen anything strange in the woods, outside of Sasquatch. His answer might surprise you. He will also be giving us an update on the drama from the 50th anniversary of the Patterson/Gimlin film.   https://www.bobgimlin.net/

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me, and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say, was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling out, and he grabbed a gun. I was like, for

what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 9-1-1, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-uh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. That's nice. That's probably the best you're going to get for me as far as Christmas music goes.

Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. Got a call from Bob Gimlin this morning. He asked if he could come on and give an update. There's a lot of things I want to talk to Bob tonight about. Most of you know the 8th Canyon story, the famous cabin that was attacked back in the 20s up on Mount St. Helens. I've done two shows on it.

And if you're a new listener, I don't have the number of the shows, but I've done two shows on it. And what's fascinating is Bob and Roger Patterson actually went to that cabin and it was still standing. So I'm going to be asking Bob about that tonight. And I'm also going to ask him if he's ever seen anything weird out there in the woods. It's a question I've always wanted to ask him. And his answer might surprise you as far as what he's seen beyond Patty. You know, we always talk about Patty. And I want to ask Bob, too.

I know it's a question he can't answer, but I wonder if he still feels like Patty's alive. So there's a lot of questions we'll get to tonight with Bob. He also wants to address, to bring the audience up to speed. There was a 50-year anniversary of the Patterson Gimland film. And it was this big deal. Bob was there. he was supposed to be the main speaker. He wasn't allowed to speak. A lot of things went bad. You know, they were talking about the contract between Bob and his manager, and just a lot of bad

things happened, and it turned into a complete storm. And so Bob wanted to come on and clarify some of that and how what has actually happened since then. I know most of my audience, most of my normal audience probably doesn't care, but it's Bob Gimlin. You know, it's, uh, it's, uh, Bob's a friend. I'm going to have them on. Bob could come on and talk about tying his shoes for an hour and I would allow it. So it should be a fun show. We'll get to some of the drama stuff, but I'll ask Bob about some of this other stuff too as well. And I know the audience always loves to hear from them. Happy Thanksgiving to you guys. I hope the holidays are going well for you. I hope it's a rough time of year for some people and it's a great time of year for other people. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen tonight. I got you guys tonight.

I'll be back on Friday and as well on Sunday. Let's jump into it tonight. Bob, how are you? Hey, fine. Thank you, Wes. And it's good to be talking to you this morning. Yeah, it's good to be talking to you too as well. Happy Thanksgiving to you.

Well, and likewise, Wes. Back back at you, my friend. Yeah, I'm going to be passed out with calorie overload here, probably by tomorrow night. You know, it's that time of year, I guess we're gluttony's okay. Man's got to do what a man's got to do to enjoy it. You know, that Thanksgiving is a pretty special day, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It is.

And I know the fans are going to be happy to hear from you on this holiday weekend. I always wanted to ask you, Bob, and I know there's other things you want to get to, but I always wanted to ask you about Ape Canyon. And for the audience listening, if you've been listening to the show for a while, you've heard me talk about Ape Canyon. I've done audio on it, kind of retold the story. But you were actually at the cabin before it burned down. Can you tell us that story?

And what did you think of the whole place? Yes, I can, Wes. You know, Roger had talked to one of the guys in the nursing home that was there. And so him and one of his descendants knew Roger. So they went to the nursing home and talked to him. about it and that's where the story all came from is when roger went and talked to uh him at the nursing home and so he was one of the uh the remaining uh men that was there at the cabin when the when the saskwashed try to tear it down and get to them because they had the story went as as you remember

that one was shot there and fell off in the canyon and then that night uh but anyway so roger said let's ride in there bob and we'll go take a look at that ape canyon area and up where the cabin was so we rode in there one day and it was a pretty good ride in the cabin was well worn and you know you could tell that it had some h on it and this must have been and 1960 or 61. I don't remember the exact year, but it was right in that time. And I only went in there one time. And, of course, I never tried to go inside the cabin because it was pretty bad shape, you know, everything was.

It was still upright, but the roof was kind of bad, almost caving in. And it was made out of heavy logs. And so the logs. were still in place. The roof was caving in, and I didn't try to go in. The door was kind of just hanging there, but I wanted to look off in Abe Canyon, and I also wanted to see if we could identify the tree that they talked about that they shot, and of course we couldn't identify the tree.

But it was really good that I could go there to ape canyon. and then look off over in the canyon and see what a great drop it would be if one was shot and fell off into the canyon. And how far of a drop off is it? It's pretty far down in there and to the canyon, isn't it? Oh, yeah. I'd say probably at least 100 feet, maybe 200 feet down to the bottom of the canyon. At that particular spot where the Sasquatch was supposed to have went over the side and down in. So if that's true, even if it was just injured, it probably would, even though, you know, Sasquatch have incredible abilities, it still would have probably kill something to fall that far and hit the rocks below. And what was your feeling at seeing the cabin? Because you guys hadn't filmed Patty yet for another six, seven years.

Absolutely. And I know you were kind of skeptical. What was your feelings being there? and knowing the story well west uh knowing the story uh i just i was kind of uh you know kind of mesmerized or whatever you want to call it to be up there at the same scene of the place and approximately as close as the description was that we were right close to where the Sasquatch was shot and went over the cliff and course i i want to and i'm not afraid i heights or anything so I looked down in there a lot and thought oh that's that would be an awful fall for

anything or anybody and then you know yeah I was kind of a skeptic but I thought well if that really did happen you know and then those guys uh rocking the cabin and throwing stones and logs and stuff in there then those guys kind of had it coming in a way but you know I'm kind of a guy that says a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye. So I figured if a guy was going to shoot one of them, even if he didn't understand what they were, if they were scared and he shot it, then it would have been nothing but right for the Sasquots to invade the cabin and spook them or scare them or try to harm them. So, you know, my thought was, well, justice must have been served, but yet I had an awful funny feeling in my stomach that

that you know I'm here where history was made with the Sasquatch and I don't really understand the Sasquatch but if they are the human type creature that Roger and the guy everybody had talked about then we had a long ways to go to learn how to get along with them better

yeah no I couldn't agree more I think it's fascinating you were there I would have loved seeing the cab I know Mark Marcel was going to take me up to the location of where the cabin was at. We had to turn around because the weather got so bad. There was snowstorm was coming in. Actually, an ice storm was coming in. And I'm glad we turned around because if we wouldn't have, we would have been in big trouble.

You know the area, Bob. It's rugged. It's about as rugged as it comes. Yes, it's rugged. So even riding the horses in there was not an easy job to get in there, you know. And so those miners, I don't know, I don't recall. that they were supposed to have pack meals or what, but they had to be pretty sturdy guys to even pack in there

and then build that cabin that sturdy. It wasn't very big. I can't remember. I never measured it or anything, but it wasn't a very big cabin. Yeah, it sounds like when you read the record, it's actually just a small shack, but it was well put together.

I mean, the guys described that really well, how well it was put together, which is true. I mean, if you saw it in the 60s and it was still standing, even though it was falling down, And that's kind of a testament to a homemade cabin. You know what I mean? Well, the logs, west, the logs, the frame of the cabin, the outside perimeter, was really heavy-duty logs.

And they were placed in their pretty doggone good. You know, I've always thought about building the log house and stuff. But I thought these guys really knew how to fit the joints together at the ends, the way they chipped them and saw them. and to get that kind of equipment in there. So I kind of marveled the fact that that cabin even held up under what things that they say happen, you know, with the rocks and the timbers and stuff that was thrown at it. But these logs were big, they were big, heavy-duty logs. And I think that's one of the reasons why it wasn't a very big cabin is because to lift those in place,

I guess, you know, those guys were young and strong, so they must have used some kind of levers or something to get them up there. Because the walls weren't very high either. Yeah, I wanted to ask you that. How tall was that cabin? Do you remember? Well, the best of my memory, the cabin outside walls were just a little over six feet. So, see, it wasn't a very high cabin, but the roof had a good slope to it.

So the peak of the roof, you know, I'd guess that I'd get about 10 feet or so because the cabin itself wasn't very wide either. And so whatever slope it had, it had a good slope to what was left to the roof. Yeah, I appreciate sharing that. I've always been curious if anyone has actually seen the cabin, and that's awesome that you were there. Because you don't hear, I mean, I know Mark found the place of where the cabin was at, but there's not a whole. whole lot left there. And I know he's searching for, you know, empty shell casings and tools and that sort of thing. I know they had a mine that was nearby. I'm not sure where the mine was at, but that's fascinating that you were there. Well, Wes, if you don't mind, I'll talk a little bit

about that mine. Yeah, please. He made Roger and his nephew or his relative, a map of where the mine was. But the mine was down over the edge. of the cliff and then you had to swing into it. It was down about nine, ten feet over the edge. And it was supposed to be lined up with a lake. You'd line up Mount St. Helens and Mount Adams and then this little lake. Well, the place that we thought that they had for lake was a swampy area that had dried up. And so I tried to do that over the side,

repelled over the side and I just I was able to get down there ways but I couldn't swing in I could see the hole the place in the side of the mountain there where they did it and so I wasn't able to go

inside where the mine actually started but I could see the hole in the side of the cliff or inside of the mountain there and basically that was one of the main reasons that Roger wanted to go up there because the guy that gave him the map and stuff said there's lots of gold in there.

And we just left it behind when the Sasquatch got heavy after us by bombarding the cabin. And so they didn't even go back and get the tools out of the mine or anything's what I understand. What he told Roger. So Roger tells me all of what he talked about when the old man told him. And so Roger wanted to get in there. And, of course, Roger was not able, not physically able as well as I was at that time because I was pretty young. I was in my early 30s. And so, and in great physical shape.

So I was going to try to get down into that and take a look and see if there was gold in there. Yeah, I would love to, well, the gold is nice. I'd love to see the tools, too. And it really makes you think something happened to those guys, whether you buy into that encounter story or not, something happened to those guys because they left everything and did not return and they left. And if you up and leave like that, you know something happened to those guys. And they've never veered from their story. I mean, even some of the other guys, I know what's the main guy that came out and talked about it, Fred Beck. Even some of the other people that were there talked about it.

And it matches up exactly what Fred Beck says happened. And you hear family members, they recount the same thing. So, yeah, it would be awesome to find that mind and actually see if they left their tools behind. I bet you they did. Because, you know, if something like that happens, you're going to pack up and just go. You're not going to stick around for tools or gold. Well, that's, that's, Wes, that seemed to be the story right there. Those guys were, they wanted to get out of there with their life, you know.

And the gold and the tools wasn't worth, uh, taking a chance on losing their life. Because, you know, if these things were that serious, these mountain people were that serious, they were lucky to get out of there, in my opinion. I couldn't agree more. They were lucky to get out with their lives. With the way those creatures came in, the way they describe it, they were lucky to walk away with their life. And I think it was more than just intimidation. I think those creatures wanted one of those guys to rip them apart. and there was too many of them. They were in that shelter,

and it became apparent. It was more of a problem than it was worth. I think the creatures backed off. I think that's true, West. And I strongly believe now that I know more about the Sasquatch, that they were after that one single guy that did the shooting. They knew who did the shooting. And I think if they could have got him,

they did what needed to be done with him and the other two guys. would have been okay but you know that and partners don't want to give up one of their men because you don't they don't really know which one uh is they're going to pick out and and that that's just a shot that i'm guessing about you know i have no way of knowing what they had in mind or nobody else does but it's it's a fact that if if the guy that did the shooting that supposedly killed that one or or shot it wounded it where it went over the side i the bigfoot knew who he was uh but anyway i won't go on that anymore because you know we've learned so much west in 50 years since roger and i got that film footage about him but we still we're still just we're just beginning yet in my opinion but

we're we're going forward quite rapidly and uh know now that uh that that we need to figure out a way to protect them and let have people to understand that they're just forced people and they've got a reason to be here they were put here for a reason and we're we're here for a reason so and native americans uh they lived among them without any problems and so when we can learn to do that then i think we'll we'll we'll get a long ways with them that's just my personal opinion yes no and i respect that very much. I think the Sasquatches on Mount St. Helens, actually, I want to ask you a question about Patty, but the Sasquatches on Mount St. Helens are notorious for violence. And in this particular area, where you guys were at, Bob, if you talk to the local natives in that area, they will not step foot on Mount St. Helens. And they were- You're right. And they are terrified of these things. But you're right. There is a lot of cases where Native Americans seem, for whatever reason, seem to get along with these things. And there's really no altercations. for the most part. So, I mean, it's hard. We have gotten farther and we have learned more, and I like to credit it to witnesses coming forward and sharing descriptions, sharing behavior,

sharing what they experienced. And I think you learned so much from that. I mean, just from me, when I had you on, Bob, on the show a long time ago, and you were talking about, you know, what happened before and after the video. And actually, what happened during that time? You learned so much from my witnesses. I wanted to ask you, do you think Patty's still alive? Well, I've been told by sources that seem to have an awful lot of input with them. And they say that Patty is very old, but she's still alive. So, you know, I'm not going to argue that point or say I don't believe it or do believe it.

It's just that the person that told me that seems to have. an awful lot of connections with the Sasquatch. Yeah, that's interesting. I hope she's still alive. I would love to know how long they live. I would love to know. There's so many unanswered questions, but you're right, Bob. We are getting closer and closer and closer to learning more about these things.

How's everything going after the 50th? I know when I talked to you a couple weeks ago, you were pretty mad. How are things going now with you? well west i kind of would like to uh i just talk about it a little bit more and then after that uh i just uh russ and i got some other things that we need to put my our energy into and uh i'm just i was so upset when it did happen west you know i didn't eat or sleep for four or five days even after that because i couldn't understand why and then the only thing that i could come up with is somebody a particular person brought that 80-20 thing up which never was it was uh that was what

i think the whole thing was about i think they started out thinking that russ was taking advantage of me which all they had to done is come and talk to me and talk to russ and known that that was not true and instead of they decided to start a deal save Bob. Well, they never even, they never realized free Bob. Yeah, free Bob. And see, I didn't even know when I first heard that, what in the devil they were talking about. And, you know, and so if the way I look at,

if a man's got a question about something, if he's got any kind of man about him at all, he'll come and talk to another man about it. And what really hurt me, the worst, West, was people that I'd had really good relationship with for quite a few years and enjoyed them. And just considered it like part of my family. And then to find out that they turned against me behind my back and did that free Bob thing without coming and talking to me about it, they were going I think maybe the particular guy like Tom Yamron thought he was doing me a favor well if he was a real good friend like we supposedly were in the past he would have come and said Bob what is this 2080 thing and I just said hey I started out with that Russ didn't even

started I was the one that started the 2080 and then Russ wouldn't sign it can you explain that Bob I don't think people know what you mean when he say 80, 20. I didn't mean to cut you off. I apologize. Yeah, I'll do that, Wes. Thank you for allowing me to do that. What it was, was Russell and I wanted to do some things like the video and some pictures and stuff. And he was paying for everything. So I said, well, Russ, let's just draw up a contract that the sales from that after we pay for the expenses. I'd get 20 percent. You get 80 percent because you're paying for everything. everything. And, and, and I was the one that drew that up. And then we had a copy of it. Well, Russ wouldn't sign it. And I didn't sign it. So we just aborted the whole dadgum thing and made a

whole new deal, which was so much better for me than, then I had made the deal with Russ. And Russ was not going to sign this, the 2080 agreement. And I didn't sign it. So there never was a 2080 agreement. and some guy looked at that at my place and passed that word on down the line to Tom Yameron or whoever else it was that they passed it on to and my wife actually told the man when he told my wife he said well we're going to get Bob in a room and talk to him about how Russ has taken advantage of him and my wife said don't do that that's going to make Bob really really mad because there is no sense. such thing is a 2080 and said bob's a nice guy until you get him mad and then he's pretty

ugly when he gets mad well uh then i was down there and some lady that i know real well is a good friend of mine and tom yammerons and uh she come up and she said bob i need to talk to you and i said okay what's wrong and she said this save bob thing is bothering me and i said well what are you talking about. I didn't know what it was all about. And she started bawling and she left. She said, I can't talk about it no more. It's just, it's bothered me too much. So I still was in the question of what went on because I had that Friday when I got down there, I talked to Tom Yameron as just my old buddy, same as before. And he never mentioned a thing about it. And so it was, it caught me off guard, caught me totally off guard west and when i then when i did get mad i was i was i wasn't doing good

things i was embarrassed about it afterwards because i didn't want anybody to see me display anger but i did and i couldn't help it because west i don't i don't know if you will agree me or not but when a friend does you something like that it's worse than anybody else in the world doing somebody else a stranger could have done that to me and and I just got upset. But when you have a guy that is close, as many things as Tom Yameron and I did together, and he did nice things for me,

and he went with me all over and was able to, to, when I'd be invited, was able to go with me in the same way with Mark. You know, Mark did some nice things for me too. And when they wouldn't allow me to speak, if they only knew what I was going to get up and say, after it all happened, I was going to get up and honor them for putting on the conference and say, hey, I did some great things with these two guys before, and why are they doing

me the way they're doing me? And then the stories that came out that were untrue, that's what really bothered me, Wes. When the stories that come out, rest, hustle me away right quick right after Dr. Melgram got through speaking, that is so much. much a lie. I sat there and when they started the auction, I'm wondering if there's going to even mention me speaking. And so it didn't happen. So I went over by and talked to Dr. Jeff Melgram for a few minutes, you know, you know, said, well, Jeff, I really like your presentation. Then I went to the bathroom and I come back out and there was other people standing there. And when I got mad at Tom,

or got upset at Tom and went and confronted him and then he denied it. And then that really made me mad. And then John Kirk come up and said, come on, Bob. And he put his hands on my shoulders. And I said, get your hands off my shoulder. And because Tom Yamron, I had on a sweatshirt that Russ had given me because it was kind of cool. And Tom Yamron said, why have you got that shirt on? I said, I could wear any goddamn kind of shirt I want to, any time I want to.

And I don't need somebody to tell me what I need to be wearing. And so that's what got me. That really got me hotter. It made me just, I was ready to start throwing punches, but I knew I couldn't. And Bing's Thomas had that stroke. That would have been the worst thing I could have ever done is what I felt like. When Tom denied that he put that on Facebook. lied to me with me standing right in front of him.

I thought, well, now, why is this all going on? This is so crazy. I can't hardly believe it. So then when we got ready to leave, they said, well, Russell hustled me out. Russell didn't even talk to me because by then I was talking to Craig Woolheater and some other folks. And John Kirk and his wife came up and apologized to me. for John putting his hands on me. And I said, that's okay.

You know, I understand I was a little out of line, and I was kind of embarrassed about getting mad and getting out of line. But then I stood out there and talked to them guys for a good 10, 15 minutes. And Brandon come by with my T-shirts and said, Bob, where do you want these T-shirts? I said, well, I want them to put them in Russ's pickup. So I took the T-shirts over and put them in Russ's pickup. up he was busy talking to aid uh russ was and so i just went and sat in a pickup and waited for russ to get there and so these people that talk about russell rushing me to the truck and

speeding out of their they're just lying through their teeth you know and i don't understand what the object is of doing all of that things you know and of course mark de warth he started the auction and he was still auctioning uh when we he finally left the scene and that was 15, 20 minutes after Dr. Melman had got through speaking. He never even mentioned the fact that I was supposed to speak when they started the auction. He just started the auction and kept on going and I thought, well, I wonder why he isn't mentioned the fact that I'm supposed to speak. But he didn't.

Didn't say a thing about it. So that's what got us kind of upset with him, you know, and it just, went from bad to worse and worse and the lies that come out over this thing was not it wasn't it was unreal west these people that just keep on lying about it and lying about it and i don't understand why they keep on talking telling lies about it you know and so russ and i have a great relationship i enjoy being with his family his wife and daughter are really special people and russell's been really kind to me and special. I think a lot of Russ. Russ has never did anything to take anything away from me. He's just been the opposite. You know, he's did everything to help me.

And plus a good friend on top of that, Wes, just as I consider you one of my best friends. I appreciate that, Bob. And you know, I think the world of you. I know what you mean. I went through that with my, with an old co-host. And it hurts. when it's a close friend. And you see that a lot in the Big Fort world, don't you, Bob? I mean, a lot of people are nice people. They really are. But there's a lot of small men in this field.

I mean, if you have a problem, I'm like you. If I have a problem with you, I'm going to come walk up and we're going to hash it out face to face. I'm not going to go post a blog. I'm not going to go post on Facebook. I'm going to come up to your face. And you and I are going to have a conversation. And that's what men do. Absolutely.

And the whole not. Excuse me, Wes. No, no. Go ahead, Wes. I'm sorry. No, you're okay, but you got me on a roll now. No, it's just nonsense that it's just complete. It reminds me of stuff you would see in middle school, and that's how the Bigfoot

world is. It's like middle. And my audience has no clue because most of them aren't in the Bigfoot world, but it's almost impossible to make a lot of really true friends. You might have a few here and there. But I know, like, when I was going through it, Bob, you were the first guy that called me, and you said, hey, if you want me. on the show, I'm here for you. And that always meant the world to me. Always, you know, at the time I was

being kicked around. I was being drugged through the mud. And you called me up and said, hey, Wes, if you need me, I'm here. And that's why, I mean, anytime you want to come on, Bob, you know you're always welcome. I'll drop what I'm doing to have you on. But it does hurt. I mean, people that you think are friends. And I've had it more than just one time in the Big Fort world. I've had it multiple times where you think someone's your friend. And it turns out, they'll stay. I'd be in the back and then it's really for no reason. No reason other than jealousy and just trying to build up themselves and a lot of small men. Like I said, just a lot of small men in this community. It amazes me. Well, Wes, I'm sorry, my friend, that that happened to you,

but it sure does hurt, don't it? And it's like a bunch of little kids playing in the sandbox, you know, don't throw sand on me or I'll throw sand back on you. It's crazy. It's just absolute crazy. And the man the man that I trusted and believed in is my true friends slammed me that hard. And I, it was, it took me days. And I'm not over it yet. But what I want to do now is move forward and let them go move forward to, you know, let Mark have a great conference. And I hope he has a great, great conference. And Tom, I guess is supposed to speak on. There's what I've been told. And I just want Tom to go ahead because we got some nasty, we got a nasty letter from his wife, you know, about Tom's condition.

And I know strokes aren't any fun. I had a mild stroke about 15 years ago, and it took me a month or so to get back. And I was lucky enough to come back good. And, you know, Tom had a magnitude of, you know, I mean, his stroke was, was. really more than I understood at the beginning. And so I feel sorry for Tom, but why he went against me like that, I'll never know because he didn't talk to me about it. And he still don't talk to me about it. So, you know, I don't know what's wrong. I just, I would just wish the best for them guys. Yeah. No, and I appreciate that. How do you think, how would you resolve this, Bob?

let's say you could step outside of this problem and you're not involved and those other you have no knowledge of those other guys how would you resolve it let's say you were tom or you were marked o'worth how would you resolve this and fix this if you could or can it be fixed yeah go ahead west of course i'm i'm this old cowboy guy and the way i look at it is get together and say what prompted you to do that and if it was jealousy or if it was something that they thought russ was doing it but they if they had some kind of proof but they can't have proof because it wasn't happening you say there was russ was not taking advantage of me russ became a real good friend and i asked him to be my manager and he accepted and said well bob i know you've been just easy on everybody and doing whatever

everybody wants for a long time i said well yeah i i like people and and i and i enjoy making friends with all the folks that i meet at these great conferences and tom yammeran and i traveled together a lot and i met tom in 2003 and we became good friends and people would invite me to come to places well i just asked tom if he wanted to go with me and he always did and you know tom was up on everything and he'd get the passes of flight you know and everything and tom was really good and we had a lot of fun together and then i thought he was i claimed tom just like he was my family and uh then this happens and i think why so the only way i think to resolve it is for us to get back together and talk to each other and say uh i give tom that opportunity i called him when i got home and and

He wasn't real receptive, but he wasn't nasty or anything. But I didn't ask him, Tom, why did you do that? I just thought, well, he would explain to me without having to ask him. And the same way with Mark DeWart. I thought Mark was real close because Mark came up and asked me to sign some things for him right down there after all that happened. And I gladly signed this stuff for Mark without any reservations at all. you know and but that was before mark denied me a fact to say hello to the folks and there was people there that call me later and said we're really we're really mad bob because you were denied

the fact to be up and say hello to us and talk a little bit about bings it was the 50th anniversary of the patterson gimlin film footage you weren't allowed to even talk about it all they did was doing auction instead and i said you know i don't know I don't have any answers for you. I just don't know why. I said, you know, it would have been nice. And if those two guys would have only known, I'd have got up and praised them, even though I'd already got after Tom.

And I told him to go up and apologize to Russell and I. And he goes up there and he said, I apologize to Bob Gimlin and Russell a court. He didn't even say why. He was apologizing. So some of the people said to me, what was he apologizing for? And I said, oh, he didn't say, did he? And they said, no. And they were pretty mad.

Some of the people that had come a long ways from Nebraska and different states to come to that conference to talk to me and be there with me. And hear what I had to say about, it was supposed to be to honor the 50 years of the film footage. And it turned out it was not an honor in a film footage. It was something else that Russell and Tom, I mean that Mark, Mark, and Tom had in mind for themselves, I guess. That's the only thing I could get out of it. I don't really want to put them down. I just want to know what the heck was wrong, why they did what they did to me.

I don't think I ever did anything wrong to those guys, except I got angry and got after Tom a little bit. Well, quite a little bit. And, you know, and it all started at the birthday party. I asked Tom if he's coming to the birthday party. He said, I wasn't invited. I said, well, yes, you're invited now by me. I want you there. You and Bobo Bo.

And so then I got there and Sandy, the gal was putting on the birthday party. She had it way out into the woods and a little house. She said, they stopped me from having it at the BFW Club because they said it'd be a mess to clean up and they's going to have a conference the next day. And I said, who was they? And she said, the people was putting it on. And so I didn't ask her names. I just assumed that it was Mark and Tom, you know.

I mean, what else are you going to assume? And on a Friday, Tom was real friendly to me and everything. And sing Roger and Bob's song. And it was really neat. And I never knew any of this was going on. And Tom didn't mention it to me and neither did Mark. And so when it all came to a head, I was astond about it. I was so surprised I couldn't really believe it was happening.

And then when I read when I seen on Facebook that Tom put it on Facebook, save Bob, I thought, what in the hell is going on with these people? You know, pardon me for swearing. But, you know, I really was hurt and I'm still hurt. And you said how to resolve it. I just like to talk to these guys and have them call me and talk to me and tell me why they did that. And then if they haven't got it straight yet, I'll try to get them straight of what really the facts were without jumping on to something that they don't know nothing about. And they think I'm seeing I'll and old.

Well, I am old, but I'm damn sure not seeing I'll. I'll tell you that. And Russell and I have a real good relationship and probably always will. I love his family and everything. And you see, I don't understand why people would say things that they don't even know what they're talking about. That's what bothers me more. Well, I think when people do that, Bob, I think it says more about them than it does you. I hope so.

Yeah, and I think, and I really think that is, that's kind of how you have to look at it. It really says more about them than it does you. And it's kind of a shame that it goes down like this. you know, the one thing I don't get is, let's say I was in Mark's position or I was in Tom's position. I would just call up and say, hey, Bob, I'm really sorry. You know, even if I didn't feel like I was wrong, even though I felt like I had done nothing wrong, the fact that you were hurt and were friends, I would just call you and say, hey, man, you know what, I'm sorry, it went down like that. I apologize to you. It should have never happened. I'm a, you know, and I'm sorry things went

this way. And I'm just really sorry. I hope, you know, put all the Bigfoot side, stuff aside, there's no reason to post on Facebook, I would just call you up and say, hey, man, I'm sorry. You know, I'm sorry things went like they did. And I apologize to you. And I'd like to apologize to your wife. And just be done with it and just be squash it right there. But that's not the way it works in the Bigfoot world.

No, that's what I'd like to see happen. And fess up to the fact that my wife warned them about doing that. And then why didn't they talk to me about it on Friday when I got down there? if they'd have just talked to me about it none of that would have happened but apparently they already had it into motion because they was recruiting people to save bob and what for you know they didn't even know what the people that was recruited to rally into that they had no idea of what was going on or i'm sure they didn't if they if they would have they would surely come and talk to me about it you know now what i want to do is just go on with it you it go on west and let it be like it is it's like i said the old song i forgive them but i'm darn sure not going to forget yeah but i just want us to go on and all of us work together as a team to go forward with the saskatch and learn more about them and realize that we need to know more about the forced people uh you know we we just scratch the surface really and

50 years and so if we can get with them and learn more about them there's people into this that are doing quite well and fairly close friends of mine and they're talking to me pretty much not daily but quite frequently about the good things that's happening and they're trying to preach the good things and i hope it gets through to more and more people but fellowship is very important to me, Wes, you know, like I consider you a very, very close friend. And I consider those guys of close friends. And I just like to get together with them and say, hey, what made this all come around? Let's put it behind and go forward. Yeah. And the part that upsets me, like you said, Bob, how they're calling you senile. And I'm like, that cowboy might throw you

a beating. You start talking like that online. You see him in person. You know, I know you're a sweet man, Bob, but, you know, someone starts calling me names like that, and I run into them. We're going to have some serious problems. And that's how, but they'll never do it to your face. Just like what you experienced, they'll never do it to your face. So I go to the conferences and everyone's nice and all these researchers, you know, everyone's very, very nice.

And then I leave and then they're writing stuff behind my back online. It's like, really? I was nice to you. The whole time I was there, I never sit. And so you get that. You get that mentality in this. And I don't know why it's like that, Bob. I don't.

the Bigfoot world, I try and stay out of it. And I always make the claim I'm not a part of the bigfoot world. I have nothing to do with it, nothing to do with any of those people. And I take that stance for what just happened to you. I don't want to go through that again. And so I just back off of it because there's very few people that will come to you and say, I'm sorry. It takes a big man to come up and say, I'm sorry, I was wrong. And you've got to be careful of your pride, especially in this field. You know, I've been very prideful in a lot of situations

with this field. And for some reason, life comes around and humbles you and makes you realize you need to get off your high horse. And you're right,

it does come down to just, people want to hear Sasquatch stuff. They want to hear the facts. They want to hear people's encounter stories.

They want to hear what you know. And all this other stuff is most people just put it off. I think people were an outrage because it's you, Bob.

And I don't think these guys quite understand that because it's, and I said this in the last show, you and I did. And I know you're, you're going to give me a humble statement after I say this, but there's one guy you can't mess with in the big foot world. And it's you. And I'm not having, I'm having you on the show because we're friends, not because of that, but this is the one guy you cannot mess with in the big foot world. Otherwise, it's going to cause a complete shit storm. People, they're going to come after you like a mob. And that's what those guys, I think, experienced after you came on the show. I think

they went into mob mentality. People were really going after these guys on your behalf, and they come up with excuses, excuses. Well, I, you know, I didn't run the event. Or, oh, I didn't know Bob was supposed to speak. We just went into the auction. I was told just do the auction. Or you hear these excuses after excuses after excuses.

Why not just come up and say, hey, man, I'm sorry. It went bad. I apologize to you. And I hope we can still be friends. All the nonsense in the Bigfoot world, you know, Twitter, whatever. I hope you and I can still be friends. And that's what I'd like to see those guys do. Because I think some of these guys are small men, but I wouldn't consider them bad men.

And I think if they put their pride aside, they could just call up and say, hey, listen, I'm really sorry at the way things went. The other obstacle is your wife. They think Bob is going to come after you. Bob's wife will come after you, man. That's the last person you want to come after you is Bob's wife. Yeah, yeah, thank you, Wes. Hey, Wes, well said, you know, I mean, what your statement just finished there was what should have happened and I'd like to see it still happen. Because I've met so many wonderful people at these conferences over the years, people that I think an awful lot of from all over the different parts of the world, you know, different countries even.

And for something like this to be so ugly come down and then they're trying to make. make me out the bad guy, you know, and I didn't have anything to do this deal, except I was embarrassed by getting angry and displaying anger. I wish I'd never done that, but when a friend does something to you and then won't admit it and face it, Tom did say one time kind of bluntly, well, Bob, I'm sorry, but he didn't say, I'm sorry for how it started and why it started. know, I was still kind of the dumb guy on this side of the thing. And then we get a nasty letter from Tom's wife that said, if Tom ever gets well, it won't be because of Bob Gimlin.

And that was on call for her, because I love those people. His wife is such a special lady and his daughter. And Tom always was. And I don't know. And then they keep saying, well, Tom had brain damage. well if he did I'm sorry I don't but if he had brain damage then he sounded really good I talked to calm frequently right after his stroke and he sounded perfectly good made sense about things that we used to do and so all I'd like to see Wes is just what you got to stating is to get it settled and pull together with the Sasquatch phenomena and we can't do anything if we're pulling separate ways you know there's just no way you got to have a team on this and uh i want them to i want mark to have a great conference lots of people

attend and if tom's going to speak for him i hope tom puts on a great presentation where i'm sure you will uh i love those guys are you still not attending the ohio oh no i I've got some other things that already took on in the same time. And see, it's always been a little bit because I do a wagon train ride through the mountains that same weekend every year. Well, Mark also changed that time at one time for me. But see, I do that wagon. I've done it for 14 years now. We knew a covered wagon ride through the mountains every year for that week.

And so, but I've already. up to do quite a few different things that same week because I never, Mark never talked to me and I never talked to Mark even before his conference. See, I wasn't able to make it last year and Mark never mentioned it to me this year. So, you know, so there was just a misunderstanding all the way around it, it seems to me, and why they didn't come to me and man to man talk to me like men are supposed to do. And just got what you got to saying, Wes, what you said stands. And you put it well, you did it well.

Yeah, no, I appreciate it. And like I said, Bob, I consider you a close friend too as well. And I just hate to see it like this, you know, and they don't understand, you know. It just needs to be fixed. This whole thing needs to be fixed, you know. And I assume I didn't know if it had been fixed or because you read online. Everyone's like, yep, it's all fixed. everything's done. Bob's happy, we're happy.

And that's not... It hasn't been resolved at all. Nothing's changed, really. No, excuse me, Wes, but it hasn't been resolved. And now then, a lot of people are branded me, the bad guy, because I'm picking on the guy that had a stroke. I'm not picking on anybody. I'm just telling the truth the way it was.

And why other people are saying, okay, Bob, you're picking on a guy that had a stroke. I'm not. I care for those people. Why would I pick on them? I'm just telling the way it happened. And so I'm not lying about it or I'm not exaggerating or nothing. That's just the way it happened and that's or that's the way I see it. Now, if they can prove it different, I'll accept it.

I just want us to go on and get this all behind us and go on as human beings that care for each other. You know, fellowship is very important in this world. We have enough negative stuff going. on anyway without it. And so I just want this to go on and we won't ever forget it. They won't and I won't.

But I forgive them for it. And if they had just talked to me about it still yet and tell me why they did it instead of just leaving it in the dark and saying Russell was the cause of it. Russell had nothing to do with anything.

Russell wasn't rushing me out, pushing me. And then they lie about things. saying Russell push me here and push me there and we run to the pickup and left, it's all a ball face lie, you see, and why people want to keep on lying is the thing I don't understand. Truth sure prevails. And if people will just stop and realize that that is the very truth, the way it happened, and why we didn't get it solved right down there that day is beyond me, you know. Yeah, no, it is. And it's a shame.

it went down like that. And I hope it does get resolved. I know everyone listens to the show in the Big Four World. I know they all heard the last one. And he saw all sorts of comments and people were making comments here and there. But, you know, Bob, I think what those guys need to understand is you're hurt and you're hurt by the whole thing. And no one's come up and really said, hey, man, I'm sorry. We messed up and we have, you know, it was an important event. You know, I wanted to go to it so bad. I couldn't break away. And it meant a lot to me to go to it. I mean, I was thinking, wow, this means a lot. I'd love to go to the 50th anniversary.

I mean, this is, you know, and then to have it turn into that, I'm kind of glad I didn't bother going. Well, yeah. Will you be speaking at the international Bigfoot conferences here? Oh, yes. Yes, I will be. I will be speaking there. And I'd like to see everybody there. And we won't even talk about what happened down there.

I promise I will not bring it back. up again. And, you know, I just want to get it resolved and go on with the stuff. We all need to work together as we have been for the last 50 years and get somewhere with what we need to do. You know, I'm getting a little age on me, but I'm not seeing now, but that's one of the reason that I recruited Russell to take over my managing job because I'm busy with a lot of other challenges. and life. You know, I do a lot with the youth up there, with the harnessing and driving, and the wine tours. And, you know, I've got a full schedule all the time. And so I'll be going to Nebraska in the spring to Harriet's deal and hope to see a lot of...

Is that a conference, Bob, in Nebraska? Yes, sir. Yeah, it's a big, big conference in Nebraska that Harriet puts on. And then I'll be going to Kentucky later on shortly in about three weeks after that. And so I've got a full schedule. And it starts the first of May goes right on through 2018. And as long as I stay healthy and, you know, can do things that I do, I'm still working the horses, riding the horses, teaching, harnessing and driving to students that belong to the driving, Harness and Driving Club in an ag culture museum and a little town called Union Gap, just

nine miles from where I live. And so, you see, my schedule doesn't have time for foolishness and a bunch of garbage. I'm a very busy person, but I love to meet people. And, you know, I just, I like to meet people that come to these conferences. And I've been lucky enough to meet thousands of wonderful people. and that's what my that's what my paycheck is is to meet these people and visit with them and listen to their experiences and just chat with them one on one and have fellowship with people god west west thank you so much i mean we don't have to be through yet but you know something

you are a very special friend and thank you so much for having me on this morning yeah bob i appreciate you coming on like i said i mean you're welcome on anytime and i I don't want to keep you too much longer. I hope that those guys can resolve it with you, and I hope it gets fixed. You know, the people in the Bigfoot world, they always cry all the time about how science doesn't take any of them seriously. And from an outsider looking in, I wouldn't trust most of them to make me a sandwich, let alone if I was a scientist to follow these guys. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, it's kind of, you know, I don't know. But I don't want to keep you, Bob. I know you got other things. No, no, Wes. Hey, Wes, I just, I just enjoy visiting with you and I don't want to take all your time because, you know, you and I have discussed things pretty good, but if there's anything else that you would feel free or would like to ask me, feel free to, Wes, because. Yeah, there's been one question that's bothered me a lot, and I wanted to ask you because I know you've spent so much time in the forest and you've spent so much time out in the woods. and spending this much time in the woods, have you ever seen any of the lights, Bob, that people talk about,

the balls of light? I don't think I've ever asked you that. Well, yes, Wes, I never talked much about that, but I've seen that blue energy light up in Okanagan country right on the bank of the Criced Okan River, or not the Okinawagon River. oh yeah it was the okanagan river but that's been quite a few years ago and i didn't understand it then and i talked to uh dr dmitri banoff and russia about it and percoloff dr percoloff and russia

and and a guy down in pendleton oregon by the name of roy tim and they assured me that that was some kind of orbs that that was trying to show me a sign that I didn't understand. So I never mentioned much about it, West, but I have seen that sort of thing in the past. And then I might just add this to it, West, people that have these dreams of different kinds. A few years back, a lot of times I was up in the air. I don't know what I was doing. It wasn't me and Clark Kent Superman, but I'd be seeing places in the forest

that eventually I would go to and I'd know I'd been there before by just traveling over the top and looking down at them and then I'd be there. And that was up in the Cascades and the Goat Rock area and all through the state of Washington through the Cascades, even up on the Olympic Peninsula.

So there's some kind of connection that I strongly believe that I do have with the Sasquatch people. Yeah, it's fascinating, especially when people see those lights. Was it just a blue light flying around? No, it wasn't flying around. It was solid, staying solid. And I walked up to it and I had a feeling, but it wasn't there anymore when I got up to it.

But I had a feeling of some kind of pull of energy in my body and kind of got the shakes a little bit. and then I walked away back where I was standing before I walked up to it to see if I could see it again, but it was no longer there. And it was a really blue, blue, blue light. And it was probably a foot in diameter, maybe a little bit bigger than that because I was looking at it at first from about almost 100 yards away. And when I first noticed it. but I talked to a guy that was lived up in there, a cowboy friend of mine that cowboyed a lot. And he told me, he said, Bob, right where you saw that, he's seen Bigfoot wait across that river there at that low spot. Yeah, he said, Bob, I've seen those back in the 70s and 80s.

I've a number of times when I see the Bigfoot walk across. And, Wes, this is the first time I've ever talked about that. So I'm sharing that with a very special friend. No, I appreciate it. And I saw one very similar. What did it make, except for mine wasn't blue. Did it make any sound? Didn't make a sound at all.

And no smell. There was no smell, no sound. Yeah, it's very odd to see it, isn't it? I've seen one. It wasn't blue. It was, I guess, more of an amber color. But they're very odd to see. It's very strange, especially when you come across it.

It's hard to. There's so many weird things in this world that people are. run into, you know, it's hard to make heads or tail of it. But I appreciate you sharing that, Bob, the light story. I've always wondered if you'd seen them, because a lot of people who spend a lot of time out in the woods, they'll generally run into them, you know, at one point or another. But, well, you know, Wes, I spent most of my life in the woods when I had time off from work. And I was lucky enough to be there a lot. And, you know, I did a lot of things. but I really did in my early years.

I never was looking for footprints or I didn't know about a big foot or saskwash, you know. And so therefore I probably was around them and they were around me and I didn't even know about it. But I did, I was a pretty good tracker in my early days, you know, I did a lot of tracking. And I was taught to track real well for my father at a very young age, five, six years old. And so I noticed a lot of things that other people would not notice in the woods. Yeah, and I can appreciate that. You know, I know you've spent a lot of time out there, and I really appreciate you sharing that light story, Bob.

Like I said, it's something a lot of people are seeing, and they're seeing it more and more, you know, on top of Sasquatch. Now people are seeing this dog man creature, and they're just seeing it'd be nice if someone could get something really good on film, like the Patterson Gimlin film. And I think in your guys' situation, Like I said, you think you stumbled on it, and Patty didn't realize the horseback, I think, threw the creature off. Because she probably wasn't expecting humans to be rolling through there.

She heard four, you know, she heard her four legs, I'm just assuming. And that's why you guys were able to stumble up on her. And I was wondering if more researchers don't use a, get a horse, get a horse and go look for him. Well, Wes, I don't think there's that many people that ride anymore. the horse was in the country, you know, four wheelers and snowmobiles and stuff kind of took over because at one time I was in a search and rescue team through the sheriff's posse in Yakima area in Yakma County. And we did a lot of horseback research, you know, was search and rescue stuff. Well, then it was taken over by snowmobilers and snow because they could cover more ground.

But they didn't, they moved too fast and they didn't observe. So the sheriff that we have at the present time wants me to kind of work back with back to the old system of going out horseback. You know, it takes a little more money to get there with trailers and pickups and stuff than I guess it does with snowmobiles. And you've got the younger people with the snowmobiles and then, you know, I can only cover so many miles, you know, eight, ten hours in a saddle. and then I'm ready to take a get a set down and have a big meal and take and go to sleep see so I'm still in great health for 86 years old you're in better health than most guys half your age Bob what are you talking about well I I'm grateful Wes I'm so grateful I'm a blessed man to be that way and and I really do appreciate it because you know there's still a few things that limit me now Well, quite a few things, Wes. But, you know, I'm just keep on going and I'm not going to give up.

And then when I get old, then I'm maybe set down to Rockinshire, but I'm not ready for that for 25 more years. And so to be seeing I'll and old, I hope I don't appear to be that way. No, not at all. You don't, Bob. I would tell you. I would tell you to your face. Wes, I would want you to.

No. You want your friends to tell you. Absolutely. Exactly. And if you ever get out to our area, if you got any time, give me a call and we'll go do something that will be lawful, but we'll have a lot of fun. There you go. Well, I appreciate it, Bob, my friend, you, I sure hope everything gets resolved and you can kind of put it past you. And I hope those guys apologize. Just come up and apologize and be done with it. But I appreciate, like I said, Bob, you know how much I love you and how much I enjoy talking. talking with you and hanging out with you at the conferences, and I can't wait to see you. You know, and happy, and wish your wife for me, too, happy Thanksgiving.

I wish you guys the best, and I hope you guys have a great Thanksgiving. Oh, thank you, Wes, right back at you, my friend. And we'll get together again soon, and if you ever get to a conference, and I can sit down and visit with you and have a cup of coffee or whatever we need. You know, guys, I'll tell you, I just appreciate you. Wes and appreciate being there. Thank you for everything and you and the missus and the family have a great Thanksgiving and if I don't get back with you before Christmas enjoy the holidays and just have a great winter and come spring will the grass

will grow on the flowers will bloom and the bees will come out and we'll just enjoy the sunshine and have a great life and I just hope the big foot people get out there and I'm sure that Mark and Tom will get back with me you know you get that special feeling during the holidays from now on thanksgiving going on you know then christmas then new years you just get that light feeling that you need to be uh have fellowship and praise and thank god that we're upright and alive and that we're free to do ever to talk like you and i've been talking this morning and and the people can go out and search for saskwash without having to have an application to go out in the woods or whatever.

So thank you again, Wes, for everything, my friend. And I love you guys. Love Tom and Mark, too, you know. I don't have no hostility to them. I just don't understand. No, I understand. Well, thank you, Bob. Well, thank you, Wes.

It's been a great morning. And there he goes. Thanks, Bob. And that's it for tonight, everyone. And remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone. Being across the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote.

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