Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:391 Mumbling in the woods

Episode Date: December 18, 2017

I will be welcoming Tony Merkel from The Confessionals podcast and my brother Woody to the show. We will be reviewing the documentary Discovery Bigfoot. I will also be speaking to Steve who had a scary encounter in the Adirondacks of Northern New York. He describes being screamed up and having rocks thrown at him. I will also be speaking to Sal who is from California. Sal grew up in a concrete jungle and had to move to Oregon temporarily for work. While out for a hike in the woods Sal and his friend heard mumbling in the woods. As they came around the bend in the trail Sal saw two creatures. Sal describes seeing one of the creatures talking/mumbling to another creature. Sal said "They reminded me of hairy cavemen."

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me, and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house.

It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. Several eyewitnesses that will be coming on sharing their own personal Sasquatch encounters.

And as always, if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Thanks so much for listening tonight. Before we actually jump into the encounters, I'll be bringing Tony Merkel on from the Confessionals podcast, along with my brother Woody. And the three of us sat down and watched Discovering Bigfoot. Now, if you have Netflix, check it out, Discovering Bigfoot. It's Todd Standings documentary. And I thought the three of us should sit down and talk about the documentary. Give you guys a review what we think of it.

I don't know that it matters, you know, our thoughts on it. But, you know, I thought we do a review for you guys. But if you get a chance and you have Netflix, check it out, discovering Bigfoot. Let's get Woody on here. Woody, welcome to the show. How are you doing tonight? I'm doing pretty well, man. Doing pretty well.

I know you're sick, so we'll bear with your voice tonight. Yeah, I sound horrible. But I'm here. and I'm excited to talk about the Todd Sanchez show, man. It was a great show. Yeah, and I also have Tony Merkel from the Confessional podcast. If you go to iTunes, type in the Confessionals, and it comes up. If you have an iPhone, if you have an Android, go to Stitcher, check it out.

Or you can go to the Confessionalspodcast.com. Highly recommend it. It's one of the few podcasts I actually listen to. Tony, welcome to the show. How are you, man? I'm doing good, doing good. Got a newborn here a week old. So I'm running on fumes now.

Yeah, we'll get, like we were saying, before we went on the air, get used to it. You've only just begun, brother. You've only just begun. Oh, and the other thing, too, if people want to check out the Renegade podcast. I feel like a salesman. I'm like, check this out. Check this out. But check out the Renegade podcast.

If you want a good laugh, it's the three of us sitting around talking about weird news and I laugh. So hopefully you will too. So if you get a chance, check it out, the Renegade podcast. Yeah, congratulations. Tony on your new baby, man. Thanks. New Papa. Yeah, he's awesome.

I love it. I love being a dad. It's just great. And, you know, I'll say it here because you have a big audience. People that listen to my show, earlier I said on my show this week that he came in at 17 pounds, 15 ounces. I misspoke. It was actually seven pounds, 15 ounces. So he wasn't that big.

That would be, I don't know, like a Nephilim. Yeah, that would be poor Lindsay if it came in that big. your poor wife. No, that's lack of sleep right there, man. That's lack of sleep. Yep. Merry Christmas to you guys. Thank you so much for being here.

Tony, what did you think of Todd Standing's movie? Discovering Bigfoot. Yeah, I mean, I watched it at 4.30 this morning when I took the kid downstairs to let Mommy sleep a little bit. So I figured I'd turn it on and stuff to stay awake. And, you know, I was really, really impressed. Because when I turned it on, I was thinking that we would. see a lot of the footage that, you know, I've seen before with the facial features and

the pictures and stuff. And I thought I would have seen it all before. But the very first thing that he opened up with was the scene where he was tracking, I think he said it was two or three Sasquatch. And he came up on one that was standing behind a tree. And you could clearly see its back very, very clearly. And, but it didn't think that he could see it. So it's just standing there still and he wound up getting a log thrown at him, knocks him down when he gets back up, that whole thing is gone. The whole back of the Sasquatch is gone. And right there just grabbed me. I thought it was a great, a great film. What did you think would? To be honest with you, I thought it was a, you know, you and I, you and I, when we first started way back when in 2012, we gave Todd standing

kind of a hard time. And, you know, Todd, if you're listening to the show, I know Wes has apologized and I want to apologize as well. I don't think we gave him a fair shake. No, we didn't. You know, we really didn't. And, you know, after watching the show, you and I watched it last night together, and I was actually really,

I was really impressed on some of the evidence that he had to put into the show. And some of it that I was really impressed about was not only the sounds, which really drew me. I mean, there was like some of the sounds that you and I heard together on some of our previous encounters. And one of them was the bird.

Yeah, the bird. The bird, which, you know, we had talked about on previous shows when we were riding on motorcycles and went out. That was to a T. And for the audience listening, maybe we should retell that story. Sure. I'll come back to it. But you're right.

That clip of that bird was to a T what you and I heard. It was absolutely. It was almost identical. It was almost like he recorded what we heard. heard that day when we're out when we're out in the bush. So that really drew my idea. It captured me right away. I was kind of skeptical prior to watching the show on some of the video that he had had. But after watching the show last night, either he is a great production type person. He's in the wrong business if he can if he can produce this type of stuff on film.

Because it was the way that the eye movements, the jaws, the facial. expressions. That's some of the stuff I've never seen before. And I'm going to tell you, one of the, one of the things that really captured me and you and I talked about it last night, was when there was, I forget exactly what's happened, but the Sasquatch was coming down and it kind of, it almost melted down into a ball. Yeah, drop down. And that's kind of what you and I, that's kind of what you and I saw. So, man, I was really impressed with it. I felt like such a jerk last night after watching the movie because I gave him such a hard time before. And Todd again, I'm sorry. Well, I think, you know, going back to that, and I guess I'll address that. You know, when you first, and I'm not excusing our behavior. No, absolutely not. When you first get into this, you think you know everything. And we had a co-host, I think we kind of relied on, like, he knew everything and come to find out he didn't know anything.

And they, you beat up on these people without really giving them a fair shake. And that's what I was saying last night. With Todd Standing, you know, you can look at the pictures and go, oh, he's a hoaxer. You know, he photoshop. that. Look at everything. Go watch that and look at everything he's presenting and then judge the man. Because there's a lot of stuff he has in that film that's legitimate. And the growl, I know you and I stopped and we looked at each other and I was like, holy crap. I got goosebumps all over again just after you said that. Yeah. Yeah. And that was a big one. That was one of the first things in the movie

as you're going through it. That was one of the first things that you and I talked about was a growl. You know, what happened? And I was like, as soon as he had, as soon as he had replayed that for us on the, on his movie, you and I both looked at each other and went. Okay, that's legit. That's almost 100%. I would say that would probably, wouldn't you say it was like 98, 97, 98, almost 100% of what you and I? Very close. Very, very, very close.

Just not as loud and powerful. Right. It had the same tone. It had the same tone, but it didn't have the power behind it, I guess, that you and I heard so. Man, it was. And going back. to what Tony was saying. Tony, that part in the video where you're talking about, he's on night for the audience

listening. It's night vision camera. And you see something standing there. And it looks huge. I mean, it looks freaking huge. Yeah. And when he goes and he shows you again, I think it was during the day, wasn't it? No, it was still night vision.

You went up to on the tree? Yeah. And he went back. No, that was at night. And what was standing there was gone. Tony's right. It was gone. And you're right.

There's so many things. If he's hoaxing all of his stuff, he's a moron because he's wasting his time. He needs to go to Hollywood and do this stuff. He's not going to make a dime here in the Bigfoot world. But he was showing some very convincing, like the tree breaks. I liked how he really broke down and showed Dr. Melden, go ahead and break this. Here's one right next to it. You snap it the way this one snapped.

Dr. Meldham couldn't even snap it. Give it a whack. He couldn't even bend the tree over. Yeah, couldn't even bend the tree over. Yeah, I mean, going back to that first scene there, You know, you could even see the arm. It was the left arm of the creature sticking out. And a couple times, I don't know if it's, you know, probably just from the camera moving and things like that.

But it almost looked like the left arm moved a little bit. But you could definitely see an elbow. And then when, because I watched that scene a lot because I was really impressed with it. I had never seen it before. And I don't think it was online. But I started looking more at it and stuff. You could actually see the right shoulder of the creature as well. And so, I mean, you definitely saw.

the figure there. And, you know, I run the group Pennsylvania Sasquatch research, and that was a topic today, his documentary. And there's a big discussion going on right now with his documentary. And some of the people there were saying, you know, talking about how, you know, he's a hoaxer. And I'm questioning whoever, you know, actually proved that, you know, he's a hoaxer, like what, what did they prove? What kind of evidence did they come forward with to say, this is absolutely a hoax? Other than your opinion, you know, because a lot of times these people who are saying Todd is a hoaxer because nobody can get a clear image of a Sasquatch, that HD quality stuff, it's impossible to do. So, therefore, he's a hoaxer. Those very same people are the same people that turn around

and look at a tree line of the forest and start picking out faces that aren't even there. It's just shadows. And so I get frustrated with that because, you know, here we have somebody who's very serious about it. Now, I had a pleasure of getting to know Michael Freeman, the son of Paul Freeman for a little bit. And he said to me that his, a lot of people that criticized his dad, they didn't understand the fact that, yeah, his dad had over 50 pieces of evidence, a lot of great footage. But for about 15 years, that's all his dad did all day long. If his dad wasn't working, his dad was up in the mountain doing his researching. That's all he did. And that's kind of like how I view Todd. Todd's out there doing this all the time. And so he came up with

this great footage and stuff with modern equipment. And I honestly, I don't think this is the last time we ever see great footage coming from Todd. I think Todd's going to be doing this a lot in the future here. So, I mean, I thought it was great. And sometimes people, like some of the things that were said in my group and stuff is that one of the things they were questioning is, how come if he's tracking this certain clan of these Bigfoot, why is it that he has one that's brown hair, one that black hair, they wouldn't be different colors. And I just think things like that are preposterous. and I think that they should be thought out a little bit more before you say things like that because just look at other packs, you know, like wolves.

How often do you see pictures of wolves where you have black wolves and gray wolves in the same pack? And on top of it, just my own personal experience, to be honest with you, I have a twin brother and sister. Now, I'm Puerto Rican and my sister, she's like white, she's as white as you, West. And my brother, he's darker than me. And they're twins. And so like the idea that, you know, you can't have two different colors.

creatures coming from the same clan, I think that's just silly. So I think we need a pump the brakes on trying to just scrutinize Todd all the time. Look at the evidence that he's presenting and just enjoy it and really think of, you know, what are the possibilities here? I mean, this guy is really coming up with some great stuff. Yeah, one of the things I was going to say is, you know, when you watch this documentary, he doesn't just show you the clearest images. He actually shows you the crappy images too. And he'll show you and go, well, this could have been a bear. I know it was a Sasquatch, but, you know, obviously you can make the argument. This was a bear. And he shows you a lot of the images that aren't clear throughout the whole show. The problem that Todd Standing has,

and he's a really nice guy. I've had him on the show. I've spoke to him on the phone. Very nice guy. The problem he has is he lacks likability. And I say that, I don't mean that in a derogatory way if Todd's listening. I don't mean that in a bad way. Just some people, they lack. He doesn't have the charisma. It's like I was telling you earlier, Tony. Bill Clinton, we all can agree here that Bill Clinton's a

scumbag. Right. I mean, right, am I right? Yeah, I agree. And he's the worst of the worst, right? But you almost kind of want to like the guy. He has a lot of charisma. He's very likable. And Todd's standing lacks that. And so I think that plays into

why people are turned off buy it. I think the other people are turned off maybe because of jealousy. He's getting stuff that they haven't been able to get. He's getting attention. They can't get. It's the same old story in the Bigfoot world. But the people that have been out with him, Meldrum, Benar-Noggle, Les Stroud, you're telling me he hoaxed all those people. I don't buy it. I don't buy it for two seconds. Yeah. And you know, with the whole idea of the whole hoaxing and everything, I mean, like you said earlier, Wes, I mean, if you're a lot of, I mean, if you're not, I mean, if you If he's hoaxing, he should be, he's in the wrong industry.

Instead of messing around with the Bigfoot community and, you know, just pulling over people's heads here, he needs to be moving to, you know, Hollywood and doing some real, real deal stuff and making some serious money. And if he's hoaxing, like, if you really think about this, if he's hoaxing, he's actually suing the Canadian government over his hoaxes, I mean, you have to be borderline retarded to do something like that. And so I just, when he's, when he's saying he's going to the government, he's filing a lawsuit against the government, I mean, I wouldn't have the balls to file the lawsuit against the United States government if I'm just pulling a hoax. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? That makes sense, Tony. But you got to look at it like this, too. I agree with you. I agree with you 100%. And I'm going to kind of back your play here.

Some of the things that Todd Standing did in that movie was what I really liked about it was, was that. he put pressure on meldrum he put pressure on better nagle how do you feel about this step in there try to do this how many pounds let's let's measure let's measure how high it was and do you remember on that on that hill when it was the sideways hill and he and uh meldrum actually had his encounter yeah meldrum had his sighting yeah he had he had his siding so he was like i believe it did and he and honestly guys i think he's one of the best trackers i've ever met you know i think this guy actually really does know his stuff. So he was on the side of a hill and he, and he showed you the whole game plan in the movie,

okay, they came around like this and he could prove it. And Meldrum and Bennernigle didn't have much to say. They're like, for the most part, we agree with you, you know? And you know, some of the, you know, the scientific researchers are not going to say, oh, 100%, this is 100% for sure because, you know, nothing is exactly 100%. But in my mind, I'm thinking, Todd pretty much nailed it. He showed you to get the game plan, how they came all. Well, like with the apples, right?

Do you remember that with the apples? Yeah, when the apples disappeared. When the apples disappeared, he was like, okay, this one came around like this and exited here and this other one came around. And it was like, it was like a game plan, like a military game plan on there. He's right about the way they move in. You know what I mean? He's absolutely right. The way he described how the two came in.

Yeah, that's exactly how they come in. They circle you to control the situation. And the way he describes how those Sasquatch come in, he was spot on with it. I agree. Agreed 100%. And I would love to sit here and say, no, it was crappy. No one watched it. You know, it was BS.

I don't feel that way anymore. I don't even. Go watch it. Discovering Bigfoot. It's well worth the watch. I think a lot of people would learn some. I think a lot of people that think they know everything should watch this movie. Because I think they'll grab something from this movie and they'll say,

Todd us on to something. And I think they can take, you know, Todd's a real deal, dude. He goes out there for days and days. and days all by himself, nothing around. And God, I gave him such a hard time before, and I feel so bad about that. But he is on him, man. He is the most compelling evidence

that I've ever seen to be honest with you. Yeah, and like you said, the sounds and everything, man, spot on. Yeah. He nailed it. Go ahead, Don. Yeah, it was just jam-packed with information. Anybody who hasn't seen it yet, I mean, this is almost two hours of a documentary

that's jam-packed with content. you're not going to be bored. There's tons of stuff that he has going on in there. Talk about the apples that he had on the log. I mean, he actually catches on video these things, picking them off of the log. And you were talking about how they maneuver around you and stuff. I mean, he had one surprise him on the side. I think he said it was the mail. And every time the mail's there, he gives it all his attention because it is usually an aggressive encounter. And so he's focused on that. And that's when they decided to pick the apples off. It was all strategic. And you, he caught it on camera like just watch it

you see something it wasn't something batting it off of a log like a bear paw or something you see something reach in pick it up and pull it away and so I mean it was very impressive so yeah I mean I highly recommend people checking it out another thing too that Todd had mentioned in the movie

was us as humans being the apex predator right we're at the top of the food chain but he had mentioned that these people that Sasquatch that he believes that saskwatch the way they move around that who's actually the real smart one

because we can't, there's things that they're doing that we can't even track. And so I thought that, you know, you know the one scene in the movie, I mean, cut you off, would know, the one scene in the movie that I was really, really impressed with. Remember when he's, so, for the audience listening, he's leaving this area

where this group is at. And on his way out, he stops. He jumps over this hill. He said it's a blind spot. He jumps over this hill. He grabs his camera to go back to get a picture of the one coming that was following him on the way out. And he couldn't find it. And so it's daytime and he can't find it.

He grabs his thermal and he lifts it up and he bumps it up high up in the tree. That's right. And what you see is this human-like figure with two hands holding a tree that's probably what, eight inches, you know. Eight, ten, twelve inches? Yeah, not a worldwide tree, a skinny tree. It's mid-air holding itself up and its legs are just. dangling and it's looking around the tree at him now unless he's got some fancy gymnast they're on sight with him that could pull that off i don't know anyone that could hold them what was it up like

20 feet it was 20 feet but not only that but at a certain point it looked like they're holding by one hand to me it almost looked like one hand going off with another hand off to the side and possibly let legs dangling it you know for a few seconds yeah yeah so i agree And I interviewed a lady. I'm going to have her on the show. But she saw one go up a sheer cliff or rock wall. And the reason why it caught their attention is because it was snowy out and the thing was black. And she hasn't seen this yet. And she said, you know, what was weird about it is it wasn't using its legs. It was just one hand, one hand, next hand, next hand. And its legs were just dangling as it was climbing up the side of the sheer rock wall. And I immediately thought of his thermal he had in that discovering Bigfoot. I was like, I bet that's exactly. exactly how she's describing this sounds just like how the thing went up this tree. Yeah, and you know, off of that whole idea of the thing in the tree, I mean, it does take a lot of incredible strength to hold yourself up like that with just upper body strength. I'm not the best of shape now, but I used to work out a ton and I was all about the calisthenics.

I just trained with my own body weight. And so I did a lot of pull-ups. I did a lot of rope climbing and things like that. And to hold yourself up there like that and maneuver, and then to do it with one hand, because I agree with you, Woody, it seemed like at one point it was on there with one hand. And to do, I mean, that's insane. I mean, you see guys on YouTube doing crazy stuff,

but they're like one and a million people that can actually do that stuff where they have their upper body strength where they can actually do anything they want to do with their body while hanging from something. I mean, it's just not normal. And so I don't know. It just shows the absolute strength.

that these things have out there. It's incredible. And also, you were talking about like how he's out there in the, out in the field doing his thing. And, Wes, I mentioned this to you earlier. Like, he's out there and people say, well, you have to build a relationship with Sasquatch in order to get close to them. They have to be familiar with you. And I believe that. However, I think that Todd has taken into another level where he's actually built a relationship with the environment that he's researching in. Like he, he, he, when you watch him in these videos, it's like he's one with his environment. He knows where he's stepping before he even steps there. He's done it a million times. He knows how maneuver in that environment. And he's learned how to communicate with

these things through his body language within their environment that makes them feel comfortable. It's very clear to me that he's been out there a whole lot. And not only does he have a relationship with these things, but he also has a relationship with the actual environment, which is within what they live in. So that itself is time consuming and again, very impressive to me. And Tony, to also add to that, do you remember the part where he was actually going, he was completely covered in camouflage type stuff? And he had went down and he was eating the berries. And the only reason why he was eating the berries was to show the Sasquatch that he, you know, and he's had several encounters with him. And he had been, he had been in the bush with him for quite some time. And already

eat the berries, it made him a comfortable state for the Sasquatch. And stuff that he did like that made it almost more believable that a lot of Todd Standing stuff was more legit than I ever thought. Right. And do you know how time consuming that is? I mean, most of the guys that go out there hiking, looking for Bigfoot, they pack a backpack full of beef jerking, they call it a day. Like, he goes out there with complete camouflage in gilly suits, picking berries just to build a relationship to make them feel comfortable with him. That is. so time-consuming. That takes dedication. It doesn't happen overnight. This isn't luck. Yeah, no, it's not luck. And it's too bad the Bigfoot community is, you know, so quick to eat

their own. And again, we were guilty of it too. But I would hope the audience would give him a fair shake and look at what he's doing. Like I said, he needs a PR person. Todd's a nice guy. I don't want this to come across like he's not a nice guy because he is. But he's like the guy in high school that's really annoying, that's really high-energetic. And it's like, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this. And I think it's just his personality. He's kind of socially awkward. And I think that turns people off.

But I hope they look past that and look at his evidence. And the man's passionate. I had him on the show. The man is passionate. I will say that. I absolutely agree. All right, fellas, I appreciate you guys coming on. Merry Christmas.

Woody, feel better. I will try it. Thank you very much. Merry Christmas to you. Tony is welcome. Merry Christmas, fellas. Yeah, Merry Christmas, Tony. And again, if you get a chance, check out the Confessionals Podcast on iTunes, Confessionalspodcast.com.

Thanks again, Tony. You got it, fellas. Talk to you later. Well, next up on the show, I want to welcome Steve. Steve, welcome to the show. Thanks for being here. Oh, I'm happy to be here. No, I appreciate you being here.

And I know you had a very interesting encounter out there in the Anirondex in New York. If you would, would you kind of start from the beginning and walk out. Cassinda, this encounter? Sure, I need to do a little bit of setup because geographically, I need to kind of to tell you where I was and the little bit of setup will help the story.

A friend of mine and I had set up a plan to hike the Northville Placid Trail. It's a wilderness footpath that goes from Northville, New York, up to Lake Placid. In 130 miles, it only crosses three roads. So it's very, very, very In fact, one of the sections, and it's very near the section we were, is one of the most remote sections in the Adirondack Park. And the Adirondack Park is in upstate New York, about a four or five hour drive directly north of New York City.

It's bigger than Yellowstone and Yosemite National Park combined. So it's a huge, huge area. A lot of people don't realize how much wilderness is in the northeast, let alone New York State. So this is 2010, and we are day three of our six-day hike. And to hike 23, 24 miles a day, you got to walk for about 12-plus hours. And trust me, after eight hours a day, your body starts saying time for a break. But we had to press on. And we had crossed Route 28, just east of Blue Mountain Lake near the lake.

Lake Durant, and we were hiking into an area looking for a place to stay for the night, and we knew that a couple miles north of Route 28 was a lean-to. It was along a river called the O'Neill Flow. It was getting dark, but we were used to starting by headlamp and finishing the day by headlamp. So a lean-to is a three-sided, like a little cabin with one wall missing. That's what we were looking for, because it was raining the whole time, and we were looking for shelter. So we get up to where the map said there was a lean to and there was no lean to. And occasionally they do relocate them. But at this point, we're like, oh, man, we're tired. We just want to, we want to get a dry place, get dry clothes and be done with the day.

And so we're looking at the map and headlamps are on. And just out of nowhere from the other side of the O'Neill flow comes this ungodly, unearthly, shriek. It's, it lasted for about. I counted it in my mind five or six seconds, but it was five or six seconds of complete nerve on fire, hackles on the back of your neck sticking up, like a woman screaming in agony for about five seconds, except the volume was off the charts, and you could literally physically feel the scream.

And I remember looking at my buddy Dave and him looking at me, and we're just, we're speechless because it like just froze us to where we were. Before we could even kind of decide what's the next move across from the flow. Now the flow is probably 50, 60 yards across and anywhere from three to six feet deep. And in rapid succession, I want to say rocks the size of a shot put. They come in right in right in our direction and it sounds like sploosh sploosh sploos sploosh. So like a small rock makes a splash, but heavy rocks make a boosh, boosh. You could just tell it was big rocks and being thrown. And this is when I'm starting to go, okay, the scream was horrifying. The rock throwing, I know because I've been

in the mountains and in the back country for 40 years. And unless it's kids, that can throw rocks, you know, the size of two bricks. Nothing can throw a rock without an opposable thumb. And so my buddy knows that I carry a sidearm. And typically, Wes, I don't carry a gun for animals. I typically, I'm more afraid of weird people in the back country than I am any type of animal. Animals have very simple motivations. It's like food or, you know, protecting their young.

So, but when this went off, my buddy goes, start. shooting and I'm like Dave, I can't shoot as something. I don't know what it is. And he goes, just start shooting. And I kind of in retrospect, no now, he thought that that would make him feel good, that if somehow something was being aggressive towards us, that if we got aggressive back, maybe we feel protected by defending ourselves. But anyway, I got him calm down. And I think probably for every time we said, what was that? It was probably thinking it about a hundred times. So we kind of calmed ourselves down and we said, okay, for some reason, the lean-to is not where we thought it would be. Got a couple more miles up to another lean-to on a lake called Terrell Pond.

And the word lake and ponds in the Adirondix can be used very interchangeably. It's kind of weird. You've got a small thing that's a lake and a big thing's a pond. But this was a lake-sized pond. And so the trail to Terrell Pond parallels that O'Neill flow. as we were walking, you know, we were thinking about it and talking about it. And I had my suspicions. Dave just was thinking, oh, that was weird.

Do you think that was a moose? And I didn't want to tell them what I thought it was because what I was thinking was made me feel very vulnerable and a little shaky. So, and I want to state for the record that we never saw what it was. There was no smell. there was no visual but there were the two rocks in rapid succession the horrible shriek and then as we were going along the flow i had the sensation of something not following behind us but something paralleling us on the other side of the flow and there's no trails over there in fact there's nothing over there just wilderness so it's a two mile walk over in about

about a half a mile from the shelter we just we just kind of pause and then four more rocks identical to the first four. Splash, splash, splash, uh, you know, loud splashes. So it frees us in our tracks and then about a farther towards us in perpendicular across something really big. And I would say one thing could have been two,

but I think it was one. Splash through the water across the flow and out of the range of our headlamps. I could hear it running out of the flow. from our right to our left into the woods. And I could actually, it was close enough that I could hear the water rushing off it. Like if some big animal got out of the water, there'd be water on its coat, and it'd be splashing on the ground as it's running away and ran off into the woods. And then we were like, okay, there's a physical, we heard something actually cross the flow

and run off into the woods. And so, again, my buddy's begging me to get out your gun and shoot in that direction. And I just with gun safety, I'm like, I can't shoot at something I don't see. So I will say that uneventfully, we made it to the lean to. And there's a funny postscript to this exact end of what happened. And that was that the lean to was really all messed up. Some campers had left some food and stuff. And it took us a couple hours to clean the lean to.

And we finally bedded down. And we were awoken to some horrible shrieking behind. the lean to. And my buddy is like, oh, God, they're back. And I just start laughing. And he's just like, what the heck are you laughing at? I said, you want to go see the Sasquatches behind the lean two? And he goes, you're sick. You're sick. Come on. Let's go look. And when we're showing the lean two, we can see the two pairs of eyes. And I knew those raccoons that were all ticked off that we kind of ruined their lunch counter. Yeah. But after that, I bet he was freaking out. I bet he was freaking out, especially if you've never heard raccoons. You know, they make odd noises.

And I could see him freaking out in there. Well, and it was such a relief to me because it wasn't that god-awful shriek I heard before. I've heard raccoons up in my cherry trees and they squabble over garbage and food. And for me, it was such a release and such a relief that it was something that I knew what it was. I just was laughing. It was like something common and normal. And for him, it was, it just heightened his, you know, his anxiety. And he was a little ticked off of me, but also relieved.

when he saw it was just two raccoons, you know, their little eyes looking back at us. Yeah, I bet. You know, as you were talking about the encounter, you said you had in the back of your mind, you thought you knew what it was. What did you think was going on? Well, every time that you cross over a road

and you go into the wilderness, there's a, the ranger service doesn't require, but they strongly urge that you sign into the trail registers. And it's always fun to see who's a, ahead of you who's behind you on these long wilderness trails and there's no been no one in there four days and typically kids and stuff who are going to cause problems aren't going to hike in to rough terrain you know typically i like to say that the limit for riffraff in the back country is as far as you can haul like a 32-court cooler so there was nobody back in there i know there was

nobody back in there so except the first it's the first millisecond of the scream i thought someone's trying to scare us. But then when that thing just was so loud and physically like you could feel like almost, it almost felt like if you were wearing a full-length raincoat and someone was spraying you with a garden hose, you could feel like almost physical pressure on your body. And I was like, that ain't normal. And then when the really good-sized rocks got chucked at us, that's when I was tipped off and I said, look, nothing in the wilderness that I know of can chuck rocks other than a human or something with an opposable thumb. And then I was like, I think I know what this is. I'm afraid to tell Dave, but, you know, I think I know what this is. So you were thinking

Bigfoot at that time. Absolutely. Yeah, it's a lot of people, it's fascinating. You know, you hear stuff like this. And if you go and listen to your encounter made me think of, there's a town here in Washington States called Yakult. And it means haunted valley. I'm sure you've heard that before. But if you talk to the local natives and you ask them why they thought it was haunted, when they first came to that area, they had rocks thrown at them. They never knew what was thrown rocks.

And then they would hear these god-awful screams and roars. And so they thought it was ghosts. They thought it was like demonic spirits. And so they left. And you read a lot of old accounts like that where people don't see it. And this happens to them. And they think ghosts. And I think today, you know, with the internet, with podcasts and witnesses coming forward,

you start to put together pieces of the puzzle really quick on what's going on here. Did you feel threatened? Did you feel like it really wanted to get, do you think it wanted you guys or do you think it just wanted you guys to go away? I definitely didn't, I definitely didn't feel like it was, like it was coming for us. I definitely got the feeling like it's like, hey, guys, move along and I'm going to help you move along. When we spoke before, I mentioned that if you spend enough time in the woods, you're going to get startled and scared by things. So you shoot you, you know, a grouse jumps up in front of you.

Even a white tail can be, you know, grazing and all of a sudden hops up when it sees you. Or I've run up on a bear. I've been almost spitting distance to bears before. But they're moving away. And as soon as you identify, you're kind of, your defense mechanisms identify, okay, it's not a threat. That whole adrenaline pump and the cold hands and the shortness of breath and being frozen, that passes in the snap of your fingers.

But when this thing shrieked, I was welded to my, I couldn't talk. I couldn't move my feet. and and then the rocks come and we were we were walking a good 20 30 minutes before my body even stopped tensing because I had goosebumps I had anxiety I had like you know the hair in the back of my neck it it wasn't something in the past it was something that sustained itself for way longer than something that you can identify and go oh that's a bear that's a grouse you know whatever something you kick up in the woods it's a fascinating account and I I think this type of encounter happens to a lot of people, and they don't feel like it's

significant, so they don't share it. But I'm glad that you're sharing it because it is significant. It's behavior. And the more people that come on and share behavior, the more of the pieces of the puzzle we can put together. What do you think Sasquatch is, Steve? What's your own personal opinion? Well, I see, people ask me, and they go, you know, say, do you believe in Sasquatch? And I go, I believe in it.

I believe I've had a personal encounter. I believe, like, the mountain gorilla wasn't discovered for years. It was like a legend. People like, yeah, there's no mountain gorilla. And things like the sealicamp that was a fish that was supposed to be, well, they found the celicamp in, you know, in, in, in, in, archaeology. They found that. So I think this is a super intelligent primate of the highest order.

And it is the master of its domain. The only time anyone ever sees it is if they're okay with you seeing them. I got to believe that. They exhibit typical higher primate responses to territory intrusion, to young protection, maybe protecting foraging or feeding areas. I've been to a zoo. I've seen a mountain gorilla pick up a dirt clod. throw it almost like a professional baseball player right at someone behind some plexiglass that was

kind of like ticking it off and I'm thinking that's why that's why I think the rock throwing thing is so important with Sasquatch encounters if if they when they don't hit you they don't intend to hit you they're just saying hey look primarily if you guys get out of here everything's going to go okay if you don't you know then it's your own fault yeah that's a good point you know and it is very non-human, well, I guess it's even human behavior, human primate behavior, but it is specifically non-human primate behavior to pick up stuff and throw it at you

as like a territorial, you know, as a territorial way of making you want, you know, making you go away. That's fascinating. Have you ever been back to that area? I have not. I wouldn't be afraid to go back there. I know that people intermittently do hike that part of the Adirondex. When we spoke on the phone, I mentioned that Whitehall was a sighting that has been documented for years. It's not as close as I thought it was.

It's about 60 miles as the crow flies. But it could be on a migratory kind of paralleling the Western Appalachians. I don't know. Yeah, I get the feeling 60 miles isn't that far for these things. Not at the rate of speed that I've heard that they can travel. Yeah, it's a fascinating account. I'm so glad that you shared it, Steve, that you took the time to come on and share the encounter. You know, it's behavior you hear a lot.

And I wish more people would share. You know, I think sometimes when people haven't seen what was causing it, they don't necessarily want to talk about it. I think more of these encounters happen than people actually see them. Well, I think that people are afraid of maybe drawing conclusions because they're going to have to answer that question. for people for you know skeptics are going to say well what did you see anything and i think you know sight is just one sense i mean we've got we've got you know hearing and feeling and smell yeah and there's enough evidence that if you really think about it and i i just think that the rock throwing thing is a smoking gun for uh some type of opposing let's just let's just say this with the minimal evidence

with an opposing thumb, something can throw a rock, but without an opposing thumb, it's not throwing a rock. You're absolutely right. So I'm convinced, and I would encourage other people. I think the, you know what I've learned is the safest way to talk about it is, hey, have you ever seen anything weird in the woods around here? It's kind of a soft, soft entryway to getting people to talk about it as opposed to, hey, you see any Bigfoot or Sasquatch? I mean, that's a conversation killer sometimes. if you're not careful. Yeah, you're right.

You know, and that's what I do here, especially when I'm talking to hunters. I'll ask them, have you ever seen anything weird or anything strange in the woods? And a lot of times they'll open up to you, but if you jump right in with, have you ever seen Bigfoot, have ever seen Sasquatch,

even if they have, they're probably not going to share it with you. Right. I think people are afraid of that, you know, being attacked, you know. Well, let's go back to the encounter that I had with my buddy Dave. He went he did his undergrad at Penn State,

went to Columbia University. He's an interventional cardiologist, super, super smart guy. And whatever that was, just in the direction. And I'm like, Dave, we don't do that. But even after that, when we talk about it, you know, we talk about our trip. Because it was a pretty cool thing. You bond with someone when you're hiking. And I just go, and remember Terrell Pond, O'Neill Flo?

And he goes, yeah, the paranormal weird stuff. But he won't say Bigfoot. He won't say Sasquatch. And I think it's easier sometimes for people. It kind of cut out there for a moment, but you were saying when he was, you were saying when he was, he was telling you to shoot. Yeah. I think that part got kind of got cut out there. But, and I'm glad you didn't shoot.

And you're right, you know, being an outdoorsman, you don't just blankly start firing off shots in the woods and hoping for the best. You know, once that bullet leaves, you can't bring it back. And so, you know, I'm glad you didn't shoot. No, and I can't. I mean, I've had great gun gun safety training. And the reason I bring that part of the story out, because it's really not a part of the encounter, but it isn't a part.

It's a part of how absolutely terrified my friend was. He's super smart, almost unemotional. And in that moment, all he could think of was is to get behind me and me to fire my gun in the direction of his perceived aggressor. And I just said, Dave, we can't do it. And he's going, please. he was begging me. And I said, we're not shooting the gun. Yeah, I think it was the best move you made not to shoot.

But it's a fascinating account, man. I'm really glad that you came on, Steve. Thank you so much for sharing it. Oh, my pleasure. And I hope that people will share the things that maybe they didn't see because I think there's a lot of weight and validity to some of these encounters. And I think the Saswad Chronicles is a great forum to get that out. I appreciate it, man. All right, Wes.

Great talking to you. Have a great evening, and Merry Christmas. Happy New Year to you and your family. Yeah, Merry Christmas. And next up on the show, I want to welcome Sal. Sal actually grew up in California, kind of a concrete jungle. Due to his job, he was moved to Oregon temporarily, and he had an encounter while he was out there.

And I know the area where Sal was at, and it's known for encounters. Sal, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being here. No problem. And I know you had an encounter out there in Oregon. and it kind of drew you closer to your cousin, who actually had an encounter recently in Texas. Before we get to your cousin's encounter, if you would, would you walk us into what happened to you and with your encounter? Sure. I'll start off how I ended up in Portland.

Our company had sent us out to Oregon to handle an account. So when we moved out there, we got situated and everything, but we were new in the community. It was a small town in Salem. And there was, I mean, I was born and raised in L.A. And we didn't really know much of what to do in that town. So one morning we decided to go to the woods to go hiking and jogging. And so we arrived. We parked.

And we got to this trail. We started stretching, like, right where we parked. I was telling my roommate that I didn't ran it in, long time. I was going to be able to keep up with him and he's a jogger. So he's like, you'll be fine. So we started stretching and we started running. I must have ran a block and I could already feel myself cramping up. So I stopped. I just started walking and he kept on running. He must have ran like probably about a block ahead of me and he stopped until I caught up with him. So I'd take a, I'd run a little bit and walk and run a little and I just told him, you don't forget it.

I'm not going to be able to run. I'm just going to walk. If you are, you can run with out me. He's like, no, let's just walk, you know. So we were just walking down the trail and we pulled out our phones because we were just catching up on our social media talking, texting people. And he had his earpiece on one year because he'd get on the phone for a minute. And he had one year off because he was talking to me, one of the airpieces off. And so we're walking and we walked.

probably I wouldn't know that distance will walk. I want to say it was a good mile and a half into the woods. We got to a certain point in the woods where there was like a drop-off on the right-hand side of me. And it went down probably like about 40, 50 feet down. And then on the left of me, it was like uphill. And my roommate was on the left-hand side of me. So we're walking. and then I went further into the woods

in the distance I could hear mumbling. I didn't think nothing of it, but I mentioned it to my roommate, I go, hey, I think there's some people hiking in front of us. He's like, I don't think so. There was no cars parked where we parked. I go, maybe when we get to the other end, maybe there's another parking spot

where if we keep walking down this trail, maybe people could park on that side. I don't think so, because we've been in the woods for like a minute. So we're walking. We didn't think nothing other. We're still texting. And then I'm like, no, like, the mumbling got louder. And I go, it sounds like mumbling, dude.

And so we stopped a little, and he's like, yeah, there is someone up ahead. And it sounded like a bassy mumble, like a very hollow mumble. And it just sounded like they're talking loud. And as we got closer, I'm like, okay, they're not, it sounded like mumbling from far away. but now they were closer now I thought as we got closer we were going to be able to make sense

of the mumbling like okay they're talking it's not mumbling it's actual words you know but as we got closer it got louder and it was mumbling and my friend made a comment he's like dude it sounds like a retarded person talking

and like it does huh so we started we kept walking and then we got to the point where that's it we were right next to it We were just looking around now. And so we kept walking, but we're, it sounded kind of like, like, like something like that. But when we, when we're already there, I'm like, all right, it's there.

It was like at our, like at our two o'clock. And I stopped by my buddy and I put my hand on his chest because he wanted, we were going to continue walking, you know? We didn't think nothing of it. We were going to pass the mumbling and just keep hiking. We probably thought it was like somebody with a, child or an adult somewhere around there

and he was going to keep walking by him I stopped him I stopped when I put my hand on his chest and I told him to turn and when he looked we both looked down the embankment

or down the hill and that's when we saw two of them and they were facing each other and one of them had his hands just to his shoulders like to his thighs

and the other one was mumbling. It was mumbling and it, like, stopped because they were facing each other. And it was like 30 seconds. Those 30 seconds seemed eternal. Because when we saw it, we were shocked. And we didn't know, I didn't know what to, I'm speaking for myself. I didn't know what to make of it.

Because I was shocked and it was like unreal to me. I was baffled first of all that They were like upright and that they were hairy And then after that you're like And then you start noticing their height And how big they are then And then you're you want to run and leave But yeah you want to stay staring at them longer you know

And when it stops mumbling I guess they felt someone looking at them Like within 20, 30 seconds And they just kind of like The one that was mumbling Had it had because they were like at our 2 o'clock And they were facing each other the one that was mumbling had his back towards us.

We were at the one that had his back towards us. We were probably at his 7 o'clock. So he kind of like turned around with his body and he saw us. But when they saw us, the other one just, all he had to do was just turn a little bit because he was facing us. But the other one turned around and they both had a look in their, in their eyes like, like, oh, snap. Like they were surprised.

And when we saw that they saw us, we were kind of like, oh, snap, they saw us, you know? And that's when immediately we just turned around. I mean, I cramped up at about a block of running. I ran the whole entire way until we got. At one point, I wanted to stop and turn around see if they were still behind us. But I didn't want to stop. I just kept going until we got to the car.

But when they did turn around, they did look surprised. They had a surprise look, and they saw our surprise look, and we just took off. I wanted to ask you, Sal, could you describe for the audience what you saw? It seemed like one was trying to, what was telling something to the other one, because the other one was just like facing him. It wasn't responding. It was just standing still with its arms to his, not like stiff like a soldier,

but just his arms to his side, just standing like that normal. A little hunchbacked a little bit, but they were just, enormous. The other one, the other one had kind of like it would, um, his left hand was kind of like, because this happened like in 30 seconds. When we looked at them, it had like his,

his left arm. It was just kind of like waving it like around and then the right hand is the one that he had kind of like up when he was mumbling to him. That's interesting. Kind of like two people talking back and forth how you would use your hands. Yeah, like one was listening and the other one was like telling them something. And we, when we,

When we got really, really close, my friend says it's probably someone with a retarded adult adult. It sounded Bacy. There's probably somebody here and wherever they're with is manly ill or something. Let me ask you, did it look more human-like? Did it look more like an ape? Or how would you describe what you saw? No, it looked human. It just looked rugged.

like human like a caveman. The nose was wide. The eyeballs were huge. The lips were just flat. The skin, the skin looked, um... You know, ours looks soft, right? There's looks, um... Not like elephant thick.

But, like, thick, but, like, it's got that leathery look. Like a thick leathery look. And they just, they look... They look like, you can see their, they're hairy, but you could see through their hair. You could see their skin. It's hard to explain. Like, you could see their, you could see their skin.

Like, their hair is long, but you could still see, like, in some areas, you can still see kind of like through their, through their hair to the skin. And that's interesting the way you mentioned the mumbling. You know, I had a guy on one time and he was out hunting, and he said that he almost exactly the way. you're describing it. And he said they were chattering back. One was like chattering to the other one. The other one was just standing there, listening to it.

Did it seem like a language to you? It sounded like mumbling, but sometimes it sounded like singing. I'd say he would, as we were walking towards him, I'm trying to recall, like, how the sounds he was making something like, um,

and then he'd like, like extend whatever he, he was saying and then he'd go back to like mumbling. Some, some, some, some, some things he would say it long and then that's, from far, we thought that eventually when we get close, it's probably going to be someone speaking in normal language, but it just sounds like mumbling because we're far away. So we're thinking of some hikers, but the closer we got, we're like, maybe if someone's walking with someone that's retarded or something, you know, that's what you're thinking.

Yeah, it makes a most sense, you know. And so you guys get back, you guys get back to the car. Do you guys talk about this? When we got to the car, I'm telling him to get his keys, like, start unlocking the door. And then, and then he, he's kind of like a jerk. He opened his side and he jumps in and he's laughing at me. And I'm like, I'm hitting the door now. I'm hitting, like, you know, to open the door and then I'm like, I kind of like hit the window like two, three times.

I told him, stop messing around. And he opened up the door. And he jumps in. He's like, and he was laughing. He's like, holy shit, what was that? What was that all about? And then I was like, I don't know. We just stayed there.

And I go, pull out. So we're driving. And then he's laughing. He's like, what was that all about? And then I was like, dude, they're real. And that's when I guess in the beginning it was funny to him. And we were kind of like, we were excited, but scared. It's kind of like, imagine.

you're in the jungle and it's all quiet and it's chill, you're roaming around and all of a sudden a lion pops up in front of you you're gonna be like, what the fuck? You know, there's a lion in front of you. You know you're, you're, you know,

you're asked out. You're probably gonna die, you know? So that's a feeling you have. If they would have wanted to catch up to us or just run up the hill, they would have got us. Easy. They're enormous.

It's like me trying to catch a two-year-old. They would have, I'll catch one quick, you know. Yeah, and I know you live in a concrete jungle there in California, so you, you know, really aren't used to any of that stuff, especially... No, not at all. Yeah. I've never...

My whole entire life, I've never... In one hand, I could count the times I went to the wood campier, and then when you go camping out here in L.A., it's not... I don't really consider camping, but it's... My life in L.A. has always been, you know, the hustle and grind weekends, go to school. sports bar and go to a nightclub and hang out and have fun but when they sent us out there we're in a little town there's nothing to do i mean not to what we're used to so the first day i thought

it was like well let's embrace what they got here you know let's go let's go hike let's go do what they have right here so i convinced my roommate and to do that when we finally got back we on our way back we stopped at the liquor store we bought some beer and then we got to the house and and immediately i grabbed the laptop and I got on YouTube and I just started searching videos and I wanted to learn more about it and I just got hooked. I was like, something's up. Some government thought telling us something. And I mean, you just feel you discovered something or it's something that people have

already seen, but you discovered it for yourself that it's, you know, concrete evidence that they're real. But you feel kind of like cheated like, why aren't they telling them? us. Why didn't I have to find out like this? If I would have known it was there, I wouldn't have even gone hiking. Yeah, no, I get it. Sally, your cousin had an encounter in East Texas. If you would, tell us what happened to her. Okay. The way I found out about her encounter was one of my cousins flew into L.A. and he was here on vacation and he, you know, he saw me at my desk

watching YouTube videos of Bigfoot and he's like you believe in that stuff and I was like yeah but I could tell in his eye that he wanted to ridicule me and

I really wanted to tell him about my encounter but I was like you know what I'll just tell him I believe in it he's like you know it's funny that you watch that because your cousin back home she claims that she encountered one

I was like really and he's like yeah, she said that she was at the ranch because they have a ranch where they have cattle and, you know, that's what they do for a living. So I was like, you know, put her on the phone, then he talked to her. So he calls her, then he puts her on the phone

and I meet her for the first time on the phone. And then I was like, hey, you know what? I mean, Mike was telling me that you had an encounter out there with a little big foot and I wanted to ask you some stuff. She's like, oh, he did, and she laughed it off. She's like, yeah, I usually don't talk about it because they make fun of me over here. I was like, no, no, no, I'm totally into it.

Tell me about it. I hadn't told her yet what happened to me, you know? And then she's like, well, I was at the ranch, and it was getting late. And I decided to go to my mother-in-law's house. So she was going down the road, and it's like there's ranches, and I guess it's forest. I've never been out there, but she was explaining to me, you drive down this road to get to her mother-in-law's house, and it's all forest and ranches,

and that there's, in that part of the road, there's an eighth foot fence that divides the road, I guess, from the property. And that it was a full moon out that night, and her headlights. That's what was giving her light at night, but she was able to see pretty good, it was a pretty good clear night, that she saw someone, like a human, jump over that eight foot fence

like nothing. The way she explains it that it jumped over that fence like a cardboard box. That's how easy it jumped over it. And that it ran into the road. She slams on her brakes trying to avoid hitting

what she's thinking of human but as she's hitting the brakes because it all happened in seconds she realizes its height, how big it is and it just slammed its hand on her hood of her car and when she saw that the size of it

and MacGurth, I guess, how big it was. She got scared, and the first thing she thought was monster, that a monster appeared in front of her, and she just gassed it. She was pale, and she was pregnant at the time. She was kind of, like, afraid with what had happened that she was going to lose a baby. So she gets to her mother-in-law's house, and then she explains everything to her.

She was not even that far already from her mother-in-law's house. And she said that when she gassed it, she looked back in the rear rear mirror, and then she saw it take a few steps and jumped over the next fence on the other side of the road, which was also about eight feet. And it jumped it with ease, and she just kept trucking after that. So the same crosses the road. She almost hits it, and it slams its fist down on the hood. Did she describe to you what she saw?

From what she's telling me, the lights, as she was approaching her, she was able to shine most of its body because it was still far away. But once it was close, the headlights were only, I guess, shining its knees and legs and the lower part of the body. But she, as she approached it when she was hitting the brakes, she got to see that there's a, I guess there's a distance between the headlights and the size of the body where you're still able to see the whole entire body. But once it got, once it smacked its hands on the hood or a car with the injure that, she was only able to see, most of the bottom part of the creature. That's when she gassed it.

She told me that the way it jumped a fence, it was unreal. There's like, there's no way in how a human could jump that fence like that. Yeah. It jumped it just like it was like a cardboard box. Yeah, I would love to talk to her. You'll have to send her by number. I'd love to speak with her. Yeah, no, I already shot it to her.

She's very insecure about opening. up that topic because my family out there in Texas gave her a hard time about it that they don't exist. Now, only one of my cousins takes her serious because he works at the ranch where all the cows are at and he says that once they start having like the baby calf's missing, usually the surrounding ranches that are in the area, they'll call each other and like, hey, have you see my calf? It's number.

Yeah, I guess they put numbers on the evening. years and they'll call each other like, no, I haven't seen it. And they'll call each other. And then once, and sometimes they got to go out there and repair on fences, they divide land or whatever. Once they all start calling each other, there's cats missing. That's when he says that that's when they know that there's one in the area. And they call somebody to kind of like, show it away.

And he's the only one. But it's kind of like something that they all know, but they don't speak of. That's what he tells me. Yeah, I get a lot of that from the, especially from the south. People in the south, they're pretty tight. on stuff like that. Well, you'll have to keep me up to date. Let me know what happens out there.

And I would love to speak to your cousin. But as far as your encounter goes, you know, I really appreciate you sharing it. What do you think that these things are, Sal? What's your honest opinion, what you think Sasquatch is? I mean, it's going to sound crazy, but, I mean, during this whole time that I've been doing all this research and from what I've seen from my own eyes,

I'm always positive that there's been many types of humanoid people on this planet, Giants, us, cavemen, Bigfoot types. There's been, and maybe that's just what they're hiding

from us, that there's, there's been many types of humanoid here. But they, they, they for sure communicate. Because they were,

once we pulled up next to them, he was telling them something and they stopped, he stopped, and he just kind of like swayed his back, like it was his whole top body. He swayed it to turn to look at us.

and he had a surprise look and I mean I've gone to a zoo and even when you look at a gym or something you make eye contact with them you kind of get a feel for them but you could still see the

animal in them even though they could give you like googly eyes or something but when you see a fox a big foot when you see their eyes you could tell that they have an expression that there

that there's an intelligence. I don't know if I'm explaining myself, right, because he looked surprised. No, I get it. I know exactly what you mean. It was a human emotion that you experienced. Yeah, like you could see like a human emotion in them. And then he was talking to the other one.

He was telling him something. The other one was just listening. He was just like just standing there and the other one was like telling him something. And as soon as they turned around and I guess they felt someone looking at them and that's when they turned around. Because when we were standing there,

it must have been like 20, 30 seconds that we were just standing there looking at them, and that's when they turned around. And so I guess, I don't know if it happens with animals, like if an animal can sense with somebody looking at it, like with the deer or something, but they sensed it that we were looking at them, and they knew where to turn to.

They didn't turn to the ride or anywhere else. They both turned our way. Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it, that they know almost like a human. If you ever, you try this sometime, if you're ever sitting in a large room of people, stare at someone and count how long it takes for them to turn and directly make eye contact with you. Can't even talk tonight. Eye contact with you. It's very fascinating.

And that's very interesting that they did the same thing. I tend to agree with you. I think that there was probably language going on. You probably did surprise them. and I know the area where you're at, there is a lot of encounters in that area. It's something that'll stick with you, man, the rest of your life,

and you'll never feel it. I'm hooked on it. My buddy, he tries to sometimes, well, we work at different places now, but we still hang out, we'll still go barbecue together. And usually throughout, say if I haven't to go to his house

and he's having a barbecue, we'll be talking about, okay, the Lakers one and da-da-da, but towards the end of the night, as people get drunk and start leaving or we're still hammered. Eventually, if it's just me and him alone, we'll bring it up like, hey, remember? And then we'll be talking about it. And since I'm the one that still, I'm more like, I'm still the one digging up more dirt,

and every day I wake up, I hope someone caught one. I hope that way they know that I'm not crazy, you know. And he kind of like stays away from it, and he's like, all right, it happened. that don't want it. He wants nothing to do with it. Yeah, he wants nothing to do with it. He'll bring it up with me for like a minute.

And then we brought it up with other buddies that, you know, grew up with us that went to high school with us. And they just, they made fun of us that day. They're like, did they rape you? Did they do this? They do, you know, it's dumb stuff.

And so we, I don't bring it up in front of them anymore. I just, I just, I'd rather talk to somebody about it that understands that of the whole topic. Well, I appreciate you coming on and sharing it, Sal. All right, Wes. All right, take it. Thanks, Sal.

And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can get a nice Christmas gift from our shop there at the top. Until next time, everyone. Jingle bell swing and jingle bells rain

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