Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:395 I saw a Dogman!

Episode Date: January 5, 2018

Tonight I will be speaking to Andrew who had a run in with a dogman back in the late 70's in Maryland. I asked Andrew to come on the show and he has been reluctant but finally agreed and I am glad he did because he has one of the best encounters I have heard. Andrew said "My girlfriend and I were parked and a bunch of deer came running towards the car. The deer went passed and than we heard a thump on the car, almost like someone had hit the back of the car. Several weeks earlier my friends from the football team pulled a prank on us and  rocked the car, I went chasing after them. I thought it was my buddies messing with me so I jumped out of the car. I came face to face with this giant thing with a wolfs head. I had never seen or heard of such a thing. It was growling and drooling. It had red eyes, Wes this thing was evil." I will also be speaking to Robert who is former Delta Force. Robert writes "I saw a Dogman a few months ago. I never would have believed it until we almost hit it while in our car driving north between Georgia and South Carolina late one night. I have traveled all over the world and I never would have believed it unless I saw it in-front of me. This creature was lite up in the car headlight. My girlfriend and I both saw this creature. I am very credible. I have no problem giving you my name as well as my military background. I was shocked when I saw this creature. It moved at an incredible speed."

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me, and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house.

It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 9-1-1. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. Going to be talking about Dogman.

It's been a while since I've done a couple Dogman episodes, but I've got a great, great episode for you tonight. I'm going to be speaking to Andrew. who ran into one of these things back in the late 70s up in Maryland. He was out with his girlfriend who later became his wife. And one of these creatures bumped the back of his car. He got out and was face to face with what he describes as a dog man. And what's fascinating about it is a lot of people have the same descriptions that Andrew talks about,

very close to what he talks about. It really makes you wonder what this thing is. I'll also be talking to Robert, who is ex-Delta Force, special forces, and very impressive military career, very impressed with the guy. I really enjoyed talking with both him and Andrew. And he had actually recently seen a creature that paced their car going over 70 miles an hour. And so it should be a great show tonight. I really appreciate you guys being here.

Hope your 2018 is treating you well. Gosh, 2018, I never thought I'd live this long. But I appreciate you guys being here. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you had a chance check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com, get your daily blog. You can become a member and get additional shows. I'll be back on

Sunday for the members, but tonight should be a very, very fascinating night. Thank you again for being here. Let's jump into it. Andrew, welcome to the show. Thank you for being here. Well, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Thank you. No, I appreciate you being here. Thank you. And I know you had a pretty terrifying encounter, actually, one that I know we've talked over the last couple of months about this encounter. And I really do appreciate you being here. If you would for the audience, would you kind of just start from the beginning and just walk us into the encounter?

What were you guys out doing? And then just take your time, Andrew, and just tell us what you ran into. Sure. Well, thank you. Well, my wife and I, well, actually, she wasn't my wife at the time. was my girlfriend. We were in high school at the time. We were in 12th grade. A weekend night in November of 1978, parking like high school students do. And there had just been built a few years before, so it was still quite new. And it had become for everybody to go, especially we,

No, you're fine. Take your time. I'm sorry. It's all right. This is a terrifying encounter. I mean, just you telling it scared me, so I can imagine living through it. it's hard um well we we pulled into our our favorite spot in the parking lot which was the furthest from the main road that we pull off of to get we pulled it was a cold night and so it just so happened that we were the only ones in the parking lot that night so i'd left the car running it was cold so i had the heat on and uh we had music on and laughing and talking and playing and just things that you do at that age you know and all of a sudden we heard

heard like a commotion behind the car, and I looked around, and she looked around, and it was a small herd of deer, like, running real fast past the back of the car. And I had never seen that. And I was like, that's really strange, because we'd always see them in the field grazing, you know, and we'd pull in, and they would kind of look up at us and go back to grazing again. But they were fleeing, it looked like. Maybe like a small thud on the back of the car. brother, and I said, one of the deer must have just run by and kind of, you know, grazed the back of the car. And just as I was saying that, actually moved up and down. The weekend before, we had gone to a high school party, and I had pulled up to the curve, and a bunch of my friends

from the football team had run up behind the car as we, you know, as I parked, and was pushing up and down the back of the car, and I thought it was them again. And that night, I actually, actually, I had jumped out of the car and kind of chased them across the yard of where the party was, you know, and we were just laughing. It was all being done in fun, you know. Yeah. And so that's what I thought had happened. That was my first thought. My friends had seen the car from the road behind us and was pushing down the car again. So just like I did the week before, I jumped out of the car and I had grabbed a flashlight that my father had given me. It was like a big long, police flashlight. And I was going to chase them into the woods because the woods was like directly behind where the car was. And as soon as I stepped out of the car, I looked up and there was this

thing a few feet behind the hood, I mean the back, I'm sorry, the trunk is what I meant. And I just stopped just enormous nine or ten feet tall. I'm six three and that thing made me looked very small at the time, but it was a black, it looked like a black wolf. And its mouth was open. It was grout. Yeah, of course. Sorry. It was really, really hard for me to talk about. No, that's all right. That's all right. It's, uh, I know what you mean. When you, when you, when you, when you retell your encounter, people don't understand you go back to that moment. You relive that moment. Then you're right there back in that moment. It's like a time machine. You're back there in that moment and it's it's hard sometimes you know it's terrible it was terrifying man it really was

i could imagine what was it on two legs when it was looking on you was it up up right it was stand it it was standing up i couldn't really see the legs real well because i was still on the side of the car and it was close enough to the car where i couldn't really see a lot of the body i could see you know the obviously the upper part like a wolf has or a husky it had like the the big bunch of hair on the side of the head that kind of shoots out. Yeah. It had enormous ears. And it just, it looked completely unreal.

It had saliva coming from the mouth. And now, I don't know from the interior of the car, the interior light of the car when I opened the door. I don't know. I always kind of felt that they were glowing. Yeah. My wife, she had looked out the back window and saw the eyes and started to scream at that point. And she was just screaming and screaming.

And this thing, it looked like it moved towards me. It happened so quickly, but it moved towards me, but it looked like it kind of slid over the grass. It wasn't like it was not like you saw the body take a step, you know, like you were. a person. The whole body would kind of move hunch forward when you take the step. It kind of just slid across the grass, completely terrified. And at that same moment, I think it kind of glanced down at the flashlight. I was holding it. It was a big silver flashlight. It looked down, it looked back at me real quick. And at that exact moment, I saw another set of red eyes behind it, It kind of looked around it at that moment.

I think that's the exact moment that I moved back. I'd moved like I'd never moved in my life. Oh, I can imagine. To this very day, I don't know how I got in that seat. I don't know how I moved that fast. It's almost like it's blank or something very strange happen. I just all of a sudden I found myself back in the seat, slamming the door and taking that car across the way.

At that point, my girlfriend, my wife, was still screaming, and she screamed for a couple miles. I mean, it was that I'm screaming. What the hell was that? What the hell was that over and over again? Because I don't know if it was jumping on the car or it threw something at the car or it just swatted the car. I'm not sure. The next morning there was a dent that wasn't there before. Yeah, and that's kind of a shame because that was a damn nice car.

wasn't it? It was a really nice car. What was it? It was a Chevy. It was a Nova. It was 69 Nova. Yeah, beautiful car. That thing could move. And I praise God that it could move. You know, I mean, I was flying down that road, and it was just the most terrifying thing. And I don't know, a couple miles down the road. My wife was, you know, hyperventilating and screaming because she was, you know, had been screaming so much. You know, I'm still yelling. because I don't know what's going on. I'm looking in the rearview mirror. There are no cars on the road, praise God. And I just kept on going and going and going. And honestly, Wes, we were terrified for months and months and months after that. And I literally, when I drove her home, I drove the car over the grass at the apartment complex, drove it all the way up onto the sidewalks and up to the glass door,

got her as close to that door as how to get to the door. And I don't know, maybe six weeks when I came home, I put a couch in front of the, you know, just the block anything. I mean, we were so scared. And even talking about it now, it's, you know, like I've told you before, you know, I haven't really talked about it. You know, we talked about it a few times over the years, but just talking about it, I just, my whole body just starts to shake like it is now. Yeah, and I appreciate you talking about it because I know it's, you know, I know you didn't really want to be. I come on the show and share it, and I was bugging you, and bugging you and bugging it to come on, because it's a fascinating encounter. Do you mind, do you want to back up and for the audience describe what you were seeing?

You had a wolf's head, but do you remember anything as far as the body goes, as far as did it show its teeth, the eyes, or anything like that? I realize it's dark, but you had that interior light kind of hit it as you got out. Was there anything that you remember? it was black the head was enormous i i remember two enormous k9 teeth the top ones and there was something dripping off of those teeth i think i described it to you before the only way i can really describe hunch towards me um is kind of like how a buffalo's head is stuck when it's spot you know how it has that big massive shoulders and the head is stuck that was kind of the feeling i had it was just an enormous head on this enormous shoulders with, and the arms were just, I'd never

see anything like it. I mean, of course, I've never seen anything like it. Did it stand more like a man when it was standing there? Did it remind you more of, I mean, take the head aside, but the rest of the body, did it remind you more of a man standing there? You know, it was standing up like a man, but it was hunched forward, almost like in a, like almost maybe like an attack pose. I don't know. Like I said, I didn't, I couldn't see a lot of the legs. I couldn't see the feet at all.

All I saw was like, you know, from the, and of course that was, that's, I just remember everything was just freakishly oversized. You know, the arms were freakishly oversized. The teeth were freakishly oversized. The head was just enormous. The ears, you could see the ears poked away, way, way up. I mean, everything was big. whatever I saw behind it, when I saw the other set of red eyes come around the side of it,

I'd never saw anything other than the eyes. It was because it was farther back or because, you know, there wasn't a lot of light there, but I did see the eyes. So there was definitely two of whatever this was. Yeah, and I appreciate you going through that. Why do you think it didn't attack you? You know, I don't know. I know, you know, the time.

that we did talk about it, we were always like, I wonder if, you know, they were after the deer, or whatever it was, was after the deer, because the deer had gone by. Then we, you know, we were reasoning with each other, like, well, why would it stop? You know, and two people sealed up inside of a metal box, you know, when they're chasing deer.

So we never, it was never clear to us why this thing stopped. Yeah, and the red eyes almost make it worse on it, doesn't it? When you see red glowing eyes. like it'd be better just to see black eyes. And for some reason, in my mind, red glowing eyes almost makes it more terrifying. You know what I mean? It's true. And it's, and like I told you before, there was such a feeling of evil, you know?

And I ended up in the ministry. And one of the reasons why I ended up in ministry was because of this sense of evil that I felt. It wasn't just, we were scared. there was just something in the air that just felt evil, you know. And I think that terrified just as much as the appearance, you know, because it's almost like you couldn't shake it. You know, it took a long time for us to shake it. And my wife always said, you know, I think it affected you more than it affected me. You know, she goes, I saw what I saw, but you were right in its face. She said for years after that, that I was never the same.

You know, I didn't laugh as hard. I dealt with depression from time to time. And she just said I was never the same. Even though I enjoyed ministry, I loved the Lord. You know, I loved ministry. I loved, you know, my family, and we raised four great kids, you know, and it just, and this is making any sense. No, it is.

It is. I mean, you know, you ran into something that supposedly doesn't exist, you know, make zero sense. It's not like running into a deer, running into a bearer. As you said before, the evil, you know. Did you get the feeling like this thing was unnatural? I did. I did. And we always kind of wrote it off as a supernatural event in opposition to God. And we kind of wrote it off that way. And it wasn't until, I ran across your shows on YouTube, and I'm like, there's other people seeing something like what we went through, you know. And maybe it wasn't supernatural or maybe it was both. I still don't know yet, really honestly. Yeah, it's terrifying to run into something like this. Was there any smell that you remember? I don't.

I don't remember anything like that at all. Like I said before, it happened so quickly. Yeah. And, you know, and I wasn't out of the car that long. But it was, you know, I think one thing I didn't mention was it's growl. It was growling. And I think I'd written to you that, you know, I'm a musician. So it always made me feel like, you know, it was a bass guitar and a concert.

There was a rumbling in my chest. And when it was growling, it wasn't real loud. You know, volume-wise, it was very low. But, you know, it rumbled my chest. Yeah, I know what you mean by that. I've experienced something similar with Sasquatch, and you're right, it's not really allowed. And I realize we might be talking about apples and oranges here, but the growls very, the way you're describing, it's very close to what I heard. It's not, you're right, it's not loud, but it's physically you can feel it.

Yeah. How did this affect you? I mean, did you guys, did you tell anyone about this? Did you or your, I realized it was your wife at the time, it was your girlfriend, but did you guys ever tell anyone about this as far as what you I saw? We shared it with not long after it happened and it didn't go real well. They thought we were joking and it, of course, it didn't go well with us because we were so serious as you can get, you know, and this was a very traumatic thing and we felt like we needed to tell somebody. You know, we were young and so after that encounter with them, we decided to be quiet about it

and never talk about it again with anyone else because it made us feel worse than we already felt, you know. Yeah. No, I hear you. And it's not good to bottle it up over the years. I realize sometimes it's hard when you tell someone and they're like, oh, come on, what were you guys out doing? You know, we guys drinking, re guys, you know, I'm sure you get that whenever you recounted the story. But, you know, it's terrifying to run into this thing. And then when you bottle it up over the years, you know, like you were recounting it. You know, it still affects you. Did it ever affect you as far as going out in the woods or did you ever go camping? Yeah, I go out at night unless I had been in the ministry. There were a lot of evening services and that kind of thing. But I always kind of, you know, got straight to the car. And it's funny over the years, I'd forgotten why, you know. I just did it, you know.

And it wasn't really until I started talking with you and listening to your shows. I started really analyzing, oh, that's why I don't like going out at night. I had completely forgotten because it was so many years ago. And, you know. Yeah, no, and I understand. And you went back to the spot. How did that go? I know you recently went back to that location.

I did. I did. And I drove by and they're on the playground there. And there was a guy in the field with a couple of his dogs. So I decided to get out and just walk it, you know. and just be there, you know, and it was, everybody was fine. It was a great feeling. It was a typical park, you know, and it went well, you know, and I drove away and I thought, you know, okay, I did it, I came back, this is where it happened, and now everything is fine here. And, you know, I felt good

about that. Yeah, it's important. It was strange being there, I can tell you. Yeah, I would imagine. Yeah. Did you and your wife talk about it over the years? We did. We did. Not a whole lot. It was strange being there. It was. many years after that that we started having kids and between children and ministry and working. We became very busy doing other things. But once in a great while, it would come up. She later in life got sick and I lost her to cancer. But it came to a point in her life where she just didn't want to talk about it anymore.

And so we didn't. Yeah, I'm sorry But when we did talk about it We were always left with the feeling You know The feeling that we never got answers What happened that night or what that was Because it never did make sense to us

And I guess not investigating it There wasn't a lot of information Of course there was no information back then About what it may have been Other than something supernatural maybe Yeah, and I'm sorry to hear about losing your wife to cancer and I kind of understand where she's coming from over the years, you know, not really wanting to. It's not a happy memory, you know what I mean?

No. It makes me wonder if, you know, these things, I think, are physical. I don't know that they're not, you know, they might be physical and supernatural. You might have hit it right on the head. But it makes you wonder if a dog or a canine, whatever these things are, is a predator and were predators and the deer were a prey. I wonder if they thought you guys were interrupting their hunt, so they'd stop and make you guys move along. It's kind of, it makes you wonder why they stopped, because if they would have just kept going, you probably would have never even seen them. Yeah, and we never would have.

It would have just been a bunch of deer going by, you know. What do you think, Dogman is? What's your honest opinion, Andrew? I really believe in my heart, it's evil. why it's evil or where it comes from, I don't know. But what I saw was physical. There's no question about it. But the sense of evil that I felt, you know, other than that,

I don't know what else to tell you about it. I don't know. I really don't know. I wish I could tell you. I really do. No, I mean, you're the best person to ask. I mean, you were that close to the thing. You know, I ask people what Bigfoot is, and everyone kind of has a different answer. But I know with the dog man, it's just different.

It's very odd. You know, I had a lady on the show and her nephew had seen one. And he was a police officer. And he was pulling someone over in Texas. And they had actually run into one. These guys in the truck started yelling lobo, lobo, you know, wolf. And they took off. Well, the cop stayed there.

And he said, a werewolf stepped out of the woods. and he ended up shooting at it. And from that point on, he thought it was following him because he drove that same road every night, you know, pulling over people for speeding or whatever. And he felt like he had been following him. But it's interesting you say evil, because a lot of people who run into this thing,

especially the dog man, they will say it's evil. They will say they got a very evil feeling. You know, there was a guy, gosh, I can't remember his name. He was in California. and there was one that stepped out. I think they broke down on a road, and they were trying to hitchhike back into town.

He had called his brother, and this thing had shown up. And it was basically a werewolf, an upright, walking, half man, half dog type thing. They were freaking out over it, and it was stalking him the whole time. And he had made the comment. He thought it was evil.

And I find that fascinating, because there's not a lot of natural animals you stop and go that they're evil. You know, I mean, even a crocodile or a shark, I don't know that I would say it's evil. You know, or some of the biggest predators on the planet, I don't know that. Like a grizzly bear, I don't know. I'd say a grizzly is really evil. But for some reason with the dog man, everyone always says it's evil.

And it makes me wonder if it's something, obviously, everyone that has seen it too as well says it's very physical. It's not like a ghost or a spirit they run into. They say it's very physical. But it makes you wonder what this thing is. is. It really makes you wonder what this thing is. Yeah. But I appreciate you taking the time to come on and share it, Andrew. I know it wasn't the easiest thing in the world.

Well, thank you. And I wanted to thank you for having these shows because, you know, honestly, it's done me a lot of good listening. Not so much that other people have had hard things happen to them, but you don't feel so alone, you know. And I think my wife and I felt so alone, you know, because we couldn't share it. It was something we couldn't explain. And you've definitely given people a place to go, you know, who feel alone and feel like they're isolated because they can't share it, you know, because it is a freaky thing. And it is something that seems in life shouldn't happen, you know, and why we don't know about it still

boggles me. You know, I just wanted to thank you and tell you how much I appreciate it. Because it's really been a big help to me. Thank you. Thank you, brother. Thank you for the kind of words. And next up on the show, I want to welcome Robert. Robert, thanks for coming on. Hey, Wes, how you doing? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. I know you have an impressive military career, but you saw a very strange creature. Kind of walk us into that. I mean, you're welcome to talk about your military career, too,

is if you want to, Robert, if you don't want to, that's okay. Well, the reason I told you a little bit about what I did in the military, and I'll tell the people that are listening. I'm a former 18 Delta. I was a special forces medic. And the reason that I brought that up is because I've worked a lot in Central America with a lot of different animals. I've been out in the jungles.

I've come across a lot of different things. So that's really important. So it's not like, hey, you know, I'm a sniper. My job on a special forces A team on an ODA was I was the 18th. I was the SF medic. I mean, I go through all the same training. I'm a green beret first, but my, my primary job on the team would be as a medic.

So we have a lot of extensive training. Our training, you know, roughly is two years. And it's kind of condensed physician's assistant training, but we do a lot of veterinarian training because when we go into villages or other places to win the hearts and minds of the people, you know, we work with a lot of animals. So the reason I was telling you that was just so that I could kind of differentiate or explain what I saw and then explain that I've never seen anything like this before. Yeah, no, and I appreciate sharing it very much.

And it is impressive. Thank you for service. I don't like I've said that to you. And I know it's kind of a cliche thing to say, but thank God guys are like you are out there because, you know, we might be speaking German at this point if it was up to me. Well, there's a lot of great Americans. And I said, you know, you don't just have to serve in the military, but we have a lot of firefighters and EMS and police officers and people that are serving in the

homelands and they're serving all over the world. And it's just one big family of people that are giving more. And they like to do this. And, you know, I didn't join the military to have someone pat me on the back. I'd say thank you. And sometimes it's really strange when people do that. But the reason that we do what we do is because we believe in that we live in a great country. And the fact that we have freedom of speech, the fact that we can talk about,

about something like this. You know, I think when I originally sent you that email, as I was sending the email out, I'm saying, what am I doing? Because when it's so counter against saying that, hey, I saw something that I can't explain. But you know what? I became fascinated. And I started listening to your show because when I saw what I saw, I started to go on the internet and I started to say, hey, did anyone else see something like this?

That was really important to me. And then I came across the show and I just started listening to it. And I said, hey, wait a minute. Other people have seen this. You know, they've seen it in other parts of the country, you know, all over the country. Yeah. No, absolutely. Well, if you would, walk us into it for the audience listening.

Tell us what you saw. What were you and your girlfriend doing and just take your time and walk us? My business partner, yes. And let me tell you what we were doing. We were, what we do is we manufacture ballistics. So I travel up and down the coast. I have a company, and what we do is we travel, and I train police officers on utilizing a shield that I invented. And the reason we do that is the shield's designed.

You know, it's just a very special shield, and I travel and I show please. So I'm always in my car traveling. So what happened was, normally I've got to drive up the coast. We do a lot of our manufacturing in Florida. So if I have to drive up north, whether it's to Boston, which I'm here now, we would drive up. I would sleep pretty much all day. And then I would get up, when it's getting dark, and I'd start driving because it's easier to drive at nighttime than it is to drive in the daytime. So what would happen would be, so I would sleep for a while, get up, and would start driving.

So that was just the usual course of events. So what was happening, I slept, we get up, we're driving north, going through Jacksonville, and then going through up north. And we're coming through Georgia into South Carolina. And it was late at night, roughly around three or four in the morning. And that's the best time to travel if you sleep all day because no one's on the road. So, you know, we're moving at a pretty good speed. She was driving.

I was, you know, going through everything and I usually tap on my computer or I'm on the phone or I'm setting appointments up or sending out emails or something, but we're widely awake. So she was driving her Chevy Tahoe, big truck, going about 70 miles an hour. So I put my phone down, I'm looking forward. And all of a sudden, out of the left side of my eye, she's driving, but on the left side, the median part of the highway, we were traveling north. What I saw was this flash or something moving extremely fast down the left side of the highway along the median, like in between the highway and the bushes.

Like there's this little path of grass, and it was moving at a high clip rate. And I was like, and I caught my attention. I was like, holy shit, what's that? And before I knew it, I looked to my left and I saw what appeared to be like an animal. Then it did, which was, this is what blows my mind. It did a 90 degree turn.

So it's coming down along that path on the highway. We're traveling 70 miles north. It's coming down south. Then it stops and it runs in front of the car, in front of the truck. And then it does another 90 degree turn. And now it's without stopping, which I can't explain how this did this. without stopping and it started running north on my side of the vehicle. And what happened was it turned its head and opened its mouth like it was bracing for impact.

And then what it did was it kind of sidestepped and the car brushed alongside of it. And within inside those five seconds. And you asked me like, why would I think it was five seconds? Because I went over this replay in my mind. And normally, like, when we jump out of an airplane or anybody who is a paratrooper jumps out of an airplane, they'll tell you the way we count is 1,000, 2, 1,000, 3, 1,000, 4, 1,000, 5,000. So within side that 5,000s, you know, when I play this, that's exactly probably five seconds of frontal view that I had looking directly at this. It wasn't like it was moving faster than the car. It was moving at the same speed of the car, which was roughly around 70, maybe a little bit old.

over 72, 74, around that type of speed. And then it turned its head, it looked, and then it stepped off to the side. And then we brushed right along it. And I was just incomplete, my mouth hit the floor. And I said, holy shit, did you see that? And then she said, what was that? And I'm thinking, I just saw a big foot. And then I'm thinking it didn't look like a big foot.

I had no idea what I looked at. Let me describe what I saw. When I was looking, why it caught my attention was the headlights. It was kind of like reddish brown, like very light in color, not like black or any type of, but it was reddish brown. So the headlights, I picked it up in the headlights as soon as we were traveling and I saw it moving south. It caught the corner of my eye and then I kind of turned my head and by that time it was going in front of the vehicle. but let me tell what it looked like. It was basically all covered in hair except the face.

It had the front. It was very jacked, very strong up on the shoulders, the biceps, the triceps, very strong look, very narrow waist. It had hands. But what really fascinated me, when I looked at this, when it was moving on all fours, it had the back hinds that looked like a dog. And this is what was really strange when it turned to look at me, and it was looking at the vehicle, not really looking at eye contact, but it was looking at the vehicle, the lights.

The tongue come out of the mouth. When it was turned, looking over its left shoulder, its tongue come out of its mouth. And the face kind of looked like a human being. If you asked me what it looked like, I would say it looked like a cross between a wolf and a orangutan. and that sounds kind of completely insane, but that's what I what I saw. Now, people listening to a little ass, oh, that's crap.

Oh, yeah, I didn't see that. I'm telling you, I have no reason. And this is a big thing that I said. I've had other friends say, hey, why would you even be on that show or even talk about this? I said, because if I seen it, someone else seen it. But I'm going to tell you, as we go along more on the story, how this evolved and what piqued my curiosity. So what I did was, I was on Facebook and I said, hey, I saw Bigfoot, you know, that type of deal. All my friends were kind of like laugh and yes, sure you did.

Yep. You know, were you drinking? What were you doing? Blah, blah, blah, blah. I had someone to contact me. One of the daughters of someone that I served with down in Central American seventh group, but one of his daughter actually contacted me and she said, hey, were you between Georgia and South Carolina? and I said, yeah, that's exactly where I seen it.

You know, I saw it right there. And she said, hey, I want to tell you something. I worked at this facility, and she told me the facility. Can I say the name of the facility? Yeah, of course. Okay. She told me she worked at a facility called Alpha Genesis. Alpha Genesis.

I think that's the name. And there's a company that does. primates in South Carolina, like right in that vicinity. I saw it like right on like near Ridgeland, Switzerland, Ridgeland, right along 95 area, going north. And I told her and I said, I said, you're kidding me. She said, no, she says, I worked at this primate research facility. Now, Wendy said to me, because she was the one that was in the car, she said, when she saw it, she said, oh my God, that looks like a genetic experiment gone bad. Like that's like, and what fascinating, me was something like this moving that fast and doing something that I would I would deem impossible

that no quarter no running back in the NFL could do what this thing did by stopping at that rate of speed turn 90 degrees run then turn another 90 degrees and run all while the car is traveling at 70 miles an hour I would say that's impossible and and and and then when I when I was talking to the person that contacted me on private message me on Facebook. And then she explained, hey, this is a primate research facility. And they've had primates escape out of this location. So I was like, it fascinated me. I was like, you're kidding me. She said no. And she goes, if you want online, you type an alpha genesis and escape primates, you're going to come across it. They've had like 19 or 20 or 30. And they say they've caught them and they put them back. And I said to her,

said what I saw was not a primate. Like what I saw, Wes, was not a primate. Now, listen, you know, I've been to the jungles of Central America.

I've come across, I've been all over the world. I've come across a lot of animals out in the wild. I have never seen anything like this. I have never seen anything that could move at this rate of speed. If I had to pick up an M4 and engage something, an animal like that moving at that rate of speed, I couldn't acquire it as a time.

target because it moved so fast that by the time I had my rifle up, it would be into another location. And then it was, it was already, it was like two steps ahead of me. But when it stopped, and it was running with the car with the headlight, and it turned and it opened its mouth to brace for impact, I saw our expression. And I found that really fascinating. So it had the back legs of like a dog, but the front real powerful look like a weightlifter, a lot. like an orangutan, but interesting enough, the face looked like, it looked kind of human. It looked human. Like when I say kind, it had, you know, it had the, but had kind of a snout. And it was longer than the mouth was a long, the mandible, the maximal, it was longer than a human being. And it

actually had facial expressions like it squinted when it was bracing for impact, like it knew it was going to be hit by a vehicle. So it wasn't like, it wasn't like. Like it was just running and then just looked and then ran off. This thing kind of knew that it kind of screwed up, I think, that it was, it cut in front of the vehicle for whatever reason I don't know, and then ran with the vehicle and steps aside as we passed. You asked me the question when we're talking on the phone, like, hey, what did the ears look like? Well, the ears were down sat.

They weren't high in the head. They were kind of like a little bit. They didn't rise higher than the head. They were kind of like, I describe it as Mr. Spark. and the face was was was kind of white it didn't have any glowing eyes the eyes looked like normal like like like like a person's eyes like but i didn't see any like any discoloration it just looked like normal eyes and it was it was literally on the headlights of the the shabitahoe for at least five seconds before it stepped off after it made that that that that that brace for

impact and stepped off and i kind of felt it um the way to of it as the car passed, it kind of brushed right along the car. And I was just in complete shock saying, what was that? So after doing this a little bit of research and then finding this thing, alpha genesis, I'm like, who are they? And then find out that, you know, they do genetic, genetic primatic experiment. I don't know what they do. I mean, you can read it on the internet, but I don't want to be malicious to their company because I really don't know fully what they do. but I know that they do have primates that have escaped in that area. And it just blew my mind that this wasn't a primate. Like this was not something that you would look at and say, oh, that's an orangutan.

Oh, that's this. So then when I'm doing my research and I'm saying, hey, what kind of animal is that? Then I'm finding things like swamp ape and I'm saying, hey, it kind of looked like that, except it had it had dog type of legs. Then I come across Dogman and I said, yeah, that looks like it, but it was on all fours and it was running. And if you ask the size, when it cut in front of the vehicle, I would say it's between six, seven, maybe at that, the length of the front of the vehicle. And it was kind of extended. But what fascinated me the most was that it could have kept continuing in front of us, but it didn't.

it broke another 90 degrees inside of running forward with the vehicle and then it was bracing for impact. And I found that amazing that something could move at that speed. Wes, we didn't stop and then started again where we continued traveling. And it went in a completely different direction at that rate of speed. And there's nothing in this world that can do that. And, you know, I'm not a conspiracist. I'm not one of these people. I have to see it to believe it.

I'm not one of these people that, you know, go out there and say, oh, I believe it. You know, I didn't see it, but I believe it. I'm the type that if I see something, and I'll tell you, hey, this is what I saw. If you choose to call me a liar, that's great. That's on you. But I'm telling you what I saw. You can think whatever you want. I'm not going to defend it because myself and her and Wendy both saw it.

And she even said, now she's, she's, She's from South Florida. She's been out in the Everglades her entire life. And she's a type of person that she's a very outdoors season. And ever since she saw what she saw, she said, if something like that's in the wild, I'm not ever going back out there again. Because something like that could sneak up on you

and take you down at that speed. You would have no idea how fast it was coming. I mean, it's faster than a Puma. It's faster than a cougar. It's faster than a cougar. It's faster than a wolf. I mean, it was, it's 70 miles an hour. If I wasn't in a car traveling at that speed late at night, I would say I couldn't tell you how fast it was going.

But it was clocking with the vehicle. Yeah, I think that's interesting. There's guys that I interviewed, gosh, a long time ago was telling you about it. They were part of the SWAT team coming back in West Texas. And they were driving their SUVs. And he said they were doing, you know, 70, 80 miles an hour out there. He said, it's just, oh, you basically drive straight. You know, you're in the middle of the desert.

And he said the thing came out of nowhere and acted like it was going to charge the car. And then it turned sideways and ran with the car. And he couldn't believe that it could keep up with the car. And it kind of sounds like, you know, you hear encounters like this where they're moving at these incredible speeds. And it's very odd. But, you know, very credible witnesses say that they're running. at these speeds. One question I wanted to ask you, the face didn't look human-like. Are you saying it reminded you of human-like because of the expressions? Or did it- No, I would say it was a cross

between a human and a dog. And that's probably, it had, it didn't have hair on its face. It had skin. And, but it had kind of like an outline like, like a dog would. Like it would, it had like on the forehead and where the ears were, that was, that was here. That was hair. That was like this reddish brown hair, like this tannish brown color. But it definitely had like skin on the face. And it didn't look old. It looked actually young. It looked pretty vibrant.

I didn't see wrinkles. It was very smooth. It was, it was, it was, it was, it's very strange to say that it was a cross between something. But that's the best way that I can describe it. It looked like a perfect. that had a snout. It looked like a person who was observant. Like it looked like it knew that it knew it knew it knew because it made the facial expressions.

It knew that it was going to be hit. It was kind of like in a self-preservation mode. And then when it made the facial expressions, it kind of like that kind of I've never seen like animals make that that look. Like, I think we joked around about it before. Like when I was in Central America, I was in Panama, and I was on a patrol. And the first time I ever came across a howler monkey, I was the number one guy. And I moved, I come through these wait a minute finds and all of a sudden, the howler let it out.

And it sounded like the earth just broke open. And it literally took me off my feet onto my knees. I just dropped to my knees immediately knowing like, what the hell? I didn't know what it was. I mean, everybody was laughing, but I never heard something like that. Yeah, they make horrendous noise. We used to have,

yeah, we used to have monkeys following us, you know, throwing things at us, that type of stuff. And that was pretty common. And you get used to it down there. But seeing something like this,

to know something like this is real. It's not like a figment of my imagination. Listen, and I tell us to people, I'm like, oh, that's bull, you know, bull crap or whatever. And, and I have a pretty crass mouth. I mean, I'm like, you know what? You can say what you think, but I'm telling you what I've seen.

And I didn't go looking for this. This is something that ran in front of a vehicle late at night. And did I ever think that something like that was out there? Hell no, I still love going camping. But if I think that I wanted to do the Appalachian Trail, It's like one of my big things. I want to do the Appalachian Trail. I want to go in Georgia Mountains and do all that.

But thinking something like that is out in that area, there's no way. This is no way. There's no way that I want to make that trek. Yeah, I don't blame you. I wanted to ask you, did it ever go to two legs or was it on four the whole time? Two of the whole time. I mean, I'm sorry, four of the whole time. It never went on to two.

So when it came traveling south, it was like on a run on a gallop. and then I figured it ran past, but then I figured it ran right past us. Then all of a sudden, I saw it coming across the front of the car, and I was like, oh my God, and then I start running with the car. And that's why I was so in disbelief. Like, I literally, as we went by it, I literally sat for a few seconds before I said anything.

And I'm like, did you see that? And she's like, what was that? I said, tell me you saw everything I saw. She goes, it was in front of the headlights. How could I not see it? So that was like the most. But the thing about when I said doing the research on the Alpha Genesis and what they do at primites, and you asked a question, hey, you know, we've all seen the movie Planet of the Apes and we've all seen that.

The face kind of looked like that. But more like a dog snout, more like the mouth of a dog. But the face was literally that smooth. Kind of like a baboon. Would you say it was kind of like a. Yeah, exactly. What I thought it was a baboon, I would say, yeah. But baboons got like kind of a droopy face.

This was a tight face. But when it opened its mouth and this is the unusual thing. You know what color of the tongue was? It had to have been like a light, light, light pink or I don't want to say almost white, but it was a very light, light, light color tongue because as it was bracing for impact it opened its mouth and it was like you know that look when you know you're going to hit something you open your mouth and you go like like that ah yeah that's the look that it gave like it knew it was getting hit by the car and then it just stepped off to the side but the back muscles

like on the shoulders it was it was in the neck muscles super um had long arms super long eyes had hands didn't have um a hoof had fingers but the back part was it had um um like a short tail, like I would say super short, not up and curly. I would say maybe six, seven, eight inches, but it was definitely sleek and very muscular. Yeah, I was going to ask you about that. So you're saying it did have a tail then? Yeah, it's had a very, it appeared to be like a very extension of the spine. Because it was, by that point it was running forward.

I was looking like over the back of it. So it was running in front of my, kind of like, like a, not a big curly tail, but just kind of like maybe six or eight inches. An extension, but it was complete, had no clothes on, like it had nothing on. It was, but the, the waist was very, very thin. And the chest area was pretty big. And the arms were definitely big, like an orangutan. But then that's, that's kind of what I thought I saw.

You know, when I'm replaying it on my mind, I'm like, the closest thing I would tie that to would be an orangutang. but I'm like, what the frig is an orangutan doing in South Carolina? And then thinking, maybe it got escaped, maybe this, maybe, you know, you're playing new scenarios. And I kept thinking, and I called my mother. I was like, mom, I just saw something that was completely, you know, when the next morning, you know, when she woke up, I said, you know what? I think I saw like a big foot. And she's like, what? And I said, yeah, I think I's.

But then I started going on and I started reading about different things like dog man and other things that people have seen. And then I started saying, wow, it's, it's, it's. pretty interesting. But it definitely had the back hines of a dog and the front hinds of an ape or a person. It was probably one of the most fascinating things I've ever seen. And, you know, would I like to see something like that again on the outside? If I wasn't inside the car, I, listen, I'm not, I'm not some big hero. I'm not, I'm not like, oh, hey, I would have done this.

That's, that's not the truth. If I would have been outside and I would have been hiking a trip. is something like this would have came up on me, I would be a little concerned, especially if I didn't have a weapon on me, I'd be really concerned because the way this was moving and the way I could make a turn was just fascinating because I would say it's almost impossible.

Would I ever think I'd be telling this story? No. Yeah, I hear you. It almost makes you feel like it's unnatural because when you see something like that, run like that, turn like that, cross in front of you guys. Either it's, A, or you'd think it would be kind of a dumb animal to do that. But the fact the way it moved almost seems kind of unnatural.

I mean, looking at it, your description, it seems very unnatural. But just the speed, there's nothing else really that can move like that. That's at size, you know. Wes, I've seen, I've seen, like, I've seen coyotes run. I've seen pretty much everything run out because we've, you know, on a patrol, something you'd come up on some animals and whether it's birds you always come up on something because you're out you're out in their element but i've never seen anything that could move at this speed and to stop on a dime and to turn direction and then to not miss a beat it was kind of like it was

kind of surreal and you know we're having this this this conversation i never thought i would be having a conversation like this because it's not something that people talk about. But and the reason I am, I got a buddy of mine call up today. He's out on patrol right now, but he called up and my friend Kevin, he said, he said, like, why would you go on and tell that story? He said, you know, I said, you know why? Because if other people have seen it and they're not telling the story because they're afraid of being deemed and not, then maybe there's a creature or an animal out there that

we don't know exists. And maybe that it's out there and maybe if more people came full, we could find something like this. You know, I'm not saying that it's killing human beings. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that that is definitely an apex predator. If I knew that if I saw, let's say I was in Florida and there was a Florida panther in the area, well, I would report the Florida panther to the authorities because God knows what could happen,

right? Whether it was, if it was in an urban environment, let's say I saw a Florida panther in downtown Naples. Well, I would definitely get on the phone and call and say, hey, I just saw a Florida Panther down, you know, goodly Frank or whatever. And preferably to keep people safe. So if something like this is out there and I think more people could come forward and say, hey, I saw something that kind of baffled me. And let me tell you what it is. Then it would maybe have a database where people, like even this show, like I look. listen to this. I've never seen a big foot. Like I've never

have, you know, I hear a lot of people saying that they have and the stories pretty much are all the same. You know, it's a chance encounter or they're living in this place and they see something. But in this country especially near the highway that if something is on the highway like that and moving like that, because it's, because

okay, on a trail, a lot of like there's animal trails like when you're out in the woods right you're out in the jungles or something with there's cutter ants they all travel a trail they always they build their own trails well animals will travel their own trail right because they they can move at a faster rate of speed and they can get to a water source right so they all kind of use a same type of trail but you know seeing something like this moving down the highway at that rate of speed it was like it was moving down a trail so it's obviously been on that area before because it could run at a high rate of speed not being impeded by anything. There was no trees. It was just an open run for that. And that's what it was,

it seemed like it was doing. So has it been there before? Well, my answer is probably yes, because it's using that, the highway as a highway, to move quicker. And at that time of night, there's not many people on the road, but we were on the road, you know, between 3 and 4 o'clock in the morning, you know, if you ever been out driving up in 95, you know, traveling north or traveling south, anything south of North Carolina,

very few, you know, you only see truckers and a lot of truckers take the other route up in the mountains, but you take, you don't see that many people. And people tend to move a little bit faster at nighttime because of there's no, there's no, there's nothing repeating it. Yeah, there's no traffic. But that's why I was really kind of fascinated that if it was moving down the highway, that, that to me means that it's traveled that route before.

It wasn't just like, because it was moving quick. Yeah, it makes you wonder if it was like a game or something it was doing to see if it could catch a car or, you know, I'm just guessing, because, you know, most wildlife, for the most part, they'll jump in front of your car, but it's usually dumb deer or most predators really don't jump in front of cars that I've seen. That's a good point because like deer in the headlights, like, you know, dears will freeze in the headlights, you know, they'll come on, they'll see a headlight,

they'll jump across the road, they'll stop, a car will hit it, they'll ruin the car. Well, the same type of, if it was coming down the road, and I'm not speculating what it was doing, because I don't know, I don't know what this was doing, but, you know, the lights were, we didn't even have, we didn't have the high beams on, we only had the low beams on. So it wasn't like it was, it was take, the light was taking up the whole road, but it seemed like it was moving and we were moving in whether it became disorientated and then try to cut, cut across, because it may have thought we were coming up and it's, you know, directly at it and tried to go and then it stopped and went forward. I can't explain how something, anything

could stop, turn 90 degrees, and then keep moving. That, that's impossible. To me, that's something that you see in a movie that would be computer generated, but I saw it do it. I saw it move across the front of the vehicle, and then without missing a beat, it was now running with the vehicle. And that's what kind of... How much do you think it weighed, Robert? You know what? I don't know. I'm not a big hunter, but I would say, like, if you look at a person, I would say, I don't know, between three to 500 pounds.

Like with them, listen, muscle weighs more than fat. Everybody knows that. And this thing was really muscular. So it had a, it was, it was more top heavy and more bulk heavy in the front than it was in the back. Like it was pretty lean in the back. And it was definitely, Wes, it was definitely a dog from the waist down. It was definitely a dog from the waist down. And do I think that if this creature is out there, you know, Wendy brought up a really good point.

She said, hey, what if it was a genetic experiment? What if this company is doing something like that? They're doing it and it got out because it said on the internet that 19 primates escaped. And they said they got them back. But what if they didn't get them back? What if this is one of the 19? What if, you know, something genetically is being altered? I don't know. I'm not a big conspiracist. I know the facts.

Yeah. Well, this thing seemed like, I mean, I know Wendy's comment was it seemed like an experiment gone bad, you know. And that's the other question I was going to ask you, and I already know the answer to it. But do you think, do you feel like it was natural? Well, that's a good question. Was it natural? Well, it didn't move natural. But it looked like pieces of things I knew existed. like genetically it looked like the dog part, the back part of a leg, I mean the back hinds of a dog, the front power looking of an orangutan or ape, and then the head of a dog with a not a long snout. It was probably medium, but it was definitely a snout. Could it be manufactured? Well, an artist could make it, right?

an artist could build something like this, but I don't know what people are doing genetically. I don't know if could it be born in nature? Well, I've seen some pretty crazy pictures of things that were genetic malfunctions, you know, that were born like pigs have something that's genetically modified. And so I think that that could happen. I think they could. I mean, we're at this age in life where I think that they can build anything genetically,

GMO, they can alter seeds. Why can't they alter the DNA of an animal? I think they can do that. I mean, I'm not a scientist, but I'm sure there's a scientist listening out there right now saying, yep, we can do that or, yep, or no, we can't. My thing is that the truth, this is out there. This is not like, like, like a, like, I think I saw this. I'm telling you, this is, I saw this. And I would swear in a stack of Bibles, not because of credibility. Listen, I, I, I, I, my, every single day in my job, it's about credibility. I train police officers. I provide PSD to very wealthy clients. I have to be very factual on what I see and what I say.

When I say something, it has to be the truth and everything that I do. This is what I saw. If I'm providing like close protection for someone, if I think I see something, then I have to pay complete attention to that. Because what I'm looking at could eventually become a threat to the person, let's say, I'm protecting. as a security detail, right? So if I see someone making a move, I have to put eyes on that person and say, okay, that could be a potential threat. Well, I'm telling you what I saw in front of those headlights moving at that speed at a person that was outside of a vehicle would definitely be a threat. No, and I believe you. It's people see this kind of stuff a lot, you know, very odd stuff.

Sometimes with the dogmen, I get different reports of them. Sometimes they have tails. Sometimes they don't. There is a Sasquatch that I've talked to witnesses before, and they say it has like a baboons type snout. They're generally a little bit smaller, but I have heard of people saying that. But your description, I've actually heard before. And I don't know really where to put it, whether you try and put it in the Dogman box or

the Sasquatch box, I don't know. But I have heard this description before from other witnesses that have seen. something very similar, especially the Spock ears. That's a very fascinating, interesting point that you bring up, because I've heard that before too as well, not like a wolf, how their ears are on top of their head, more of on the side, looking up, you know, kind of going up. But I had other witnesses say at Spock ears too as well, and that's interesting that you mentioned that.

It makes you wonder what this thing is. Well, it's definitely, this is definitely a living, breathing thing. it eats, it moves, it moves, it moves at nighttime, whether it was hunting, whether it was, but it was moving from point A to point B, and we just kind of, we caught it on this narrow strip of road while it was moving down the road to try to get to where it was going, and then it just maybe became disorientated in front of the,

I had no idea why it ran in front of the car. It didn't make any sense. It was just, it could have continued along that strip, but it didn't. it definitely cut in front of the car and then it ran with the car and then it kind of had that uh-oh look with this mouth open and then it kind of stepped off when i say stepped i mean all fours it kind of stepped off the side and i felt the car brushed along against it and and that was the most shocking thing like it's kind of like someone rubbing against the car like if you're sitting in

a car and someone rubs against the car you can hear them go down in the car well that's exactly what we were within inches inches of running it over to be honest with you if we ran it over, I don't think I would have gotten out of the car to look at it. I probably would have called the police. I would have sat there and I would have said, hey, we just ran over something and then, you know, call the authorities and say, hey, I don't know what it was, but it cut in front of us. And if we were to hit it, I definitely wouldn't have gotten out of the car. Listen, I have a weapon on me when I travel. You know, I pretty much know how to use it.

But I'm not going to go out there, you know, shooting a game or wildlife. anything else like that, but I wouldn't, I definitely wouldn't have gone out of the vehicle and on that, that stretch of road. And I spent a lot of time down the south, like I was stationed at Fort Bragg. I was at Benning. I mean, I went to a lot of different places. And I've traveled up and down that highway numerous times throughout my life. And I've never seen anything like that. And then here I am, you know, traveling up, up north and late at night and to see something like that, it kind of changed my whole perspective of, hey, is there something else out there? know there's something that maybe we don't know or i said this to you on the air i'm off the

air when we're talking i said you know what what fascinates me is that 10 15 years ago most people didn't have a camera on them at all times right no one did but today because of the iphone and the other phones that you can you we have a video camera on us at all times so i think that i wish i People say, hey, could you have taken a picture of it? I said way too fast. I didn't even want to take my eyes off it. I wish I had my camera going. I wish I had, you know, a camera on the front of the car recording as we traveled, you know.

Yeah, and I understand not getting a picture, though. I mean, in a moment like that, that's probably the last thing on your mind, you know. Well, you know, normally, normally like, if I had a camera, I could get to it, I would get to it because it's kind of like, like a strategic reconnaissance like strat recon like when you're doing when you're going to taking pictures of something you know the objective is take the picture right that's that's the mission objective hey take the picture but when you're sitting in a car traveling north and something moves at and comes at you out of the complete you know like what was that and you have no answers because normally i would say oh that was a deer that was this that was a moose that was you could you could

haven't, but when there's no answers, and I'm trying to put things together, and I'm like, I'm becoming more confused because I said, well, it looks like this, but it really wasn't that. It could have been a baboon, but it had the back legs that looked like a dog. And then it had the upper body that looked like a baboon or a person or a weightlifter or something, but it was covered in here. But the hair wasn't long. The hair was probably like maybe two inches. It wasn't like a lot of hair, but it was definitely like here.

Would I call it fur? No, I think I would call it here. You know, it wasn't like it was dirty or matted or like the hair of a Welch corgi. It was more like here. Like you would think of hair. Like I don't want to say human hair, but it would definitely be that look. Wasn't fur, yeah. Yeah, and the traps.

The muscles on the back were just, they were just, they're pretty massive. So I didn't see the chest too much because it looked like when it was moving down the highway, like when it was coming down the left side of the highway, it kind of was like, I don't want to say a blur, but picture of bowling ball being rolled at you and you running at at the same time. And then you're saying, hey, what's that? And you look, and then all of a sudden it's moving in another direction. And that's exactly what it did. But its chest was big, but I didn't get it like a, I couldn't tell if it was male or female.

It was, its face wasn't wrinkled. It didn't appear to have whiskers. I really couldn't even see the teeth when the mouth was open because the tongue fascinated me because it was long. It wasn't like a short tongue. It was a long tongue. And it was a light colored tongue. Yeah, you mentioned kind of that pinkish. that's an artist yeah it was you know and it almost looked white which was like so light pink almost

white because the headlights were right like literally in its face like literally if it would have ran up 10 feet i i probably wouldn't have had as much but it it looked like it was it looked like a post like something like a flash card bang there it is right in front of you and you try to take it all in and within a couple of seconds then it's gone and that's exactly what it did you know so I have these, you know, I tell people this story and I say, hey, listen, this is going to sound crazy. But have you ever seen anything? Like I talked to a lot of police officers because that's what I, you know, I train and move around. And I ask them, I say, have you ever seen anything? I mean, I've gotten some interesting stories. I mean, they can tell the stories, but I've gotten some interesting stories about, you know, seeing what they thought was a ghost or an apparition or something like that.

And they said, it's really strange. I don't know what it was, but I saw something that looked like this. and I was like, holy smoke, like that's pretty interesting. Yeah, it is. So I tell that story, and some people will laugh. I'll say, well, if you want a little story, I'll tell you. But I'm telling you on a factual point, I'm not telling you because I want to write a book on this or I'm telling you because this is what I saw. And if there's things like this out there, then someone else sees it, they should call in and say, hey, I saw something like this at this location. because seeing

yeah seeing west seen that in Georgia completely ruined my Appalachian Trail I want to be on the Appalachian Trail hiking at this summer and I and I'm and I'm like there's no way there's no way I would go up there unless I was holding an

M4 or an AK at Port Arms and I was walking with it all the time because there's just if something like that's out there and it can move with that speed you are you are not going to stop it you would just And if it's a hunter and it's going to hunt someone or take something, you are not going to stop this. I don't care how big and bad you think you are or what you have as a weapon.

Because I honestly don't think I could have got a sight on it. That it was fast. But the only time it stopped moving that that speed is when it was running with the car and it was moving at the same trajectory we were moving, that's when I got to look at it. it. Everything else was like quick, quick, quick. Yeah. Well, I believe you. And I really do appreciate you sharing it because there's other people who have seen

this thing. I've heard a lot of it off the air of seeing something very strange like this to where really what, where do you put it? But I guess at the end of the day, where do you put a dog man or where do you even put a Sasquatch, really? There's not really a box. They can fit in nice and neatly for anyone. And something like this, like I said, I've heard it before.

and I really appreciate the fact that you come forward and share it. No, thank you. I think that I've actually learned a lot, you know, two things. You know what? As I was interviewing and looking at this, and what I found fascinating was the panda bear, right? There were people said the panda existed and people said, no, it didn't, it didn't. And then they, you know, it took like maybe 100 years and they actually found one.

And my point is that if more people come forward, you know, and they're worried about their job. Most of the guys in the police department, I mean, they don't need to get a psych eval saying that, hey, I think I saw a monster. Like, you know, that you would be, you would definitely, especially if you'd be up for a psych evaluation. Yeah. Or a lot of the guys in, let's say, in special operations or something like this, they're not going to come forward because then people would be looking at you. I would say, and you saw what? and and that would be that's so it's better sometimes to say nothing but i think if someday something like this is found because i'm sure it will be and i'm sure that someone will catch it on camera

someday it will be it will be seen and then the proof will come out and they'll say that you know these animals or whatever this was you know have been living here for this long and you know do you know i think i was telling you this earlier i hear i watched these tv shows i since I saw this, I was watching these TV shows about these people out there looking for, for, you know, an animal in the woods. I mean, most of the people listen, you know, I have been out all throughout North Carolina, especially, I've been, you know, we've been Uari, I've been to a whole bunch of different places, you know, I've never come across a beer in the woods. How do you think about that? I've never come across, and I've been in the

woods for years and years and years and years. And the only time, because, you know, Can they smell us? Can they have good camouflage? Are they indigenous to the area? There's certain things that I have, like I have never seen a beer out in the wild. And people like I've seen, now I've talking to Alaska and state troopers and they see them all the time. But I've seen just about everything else outside of the United States. But when I come in here and I saw a moose once up in Maine, you know, and I come across coyotes and, you know, deer and all the, most of that stuff.

stuff. But there's certain things that if they don't want to be seen, they will not be seen. That's my point. Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more. And I think with these things, like I said, most of them are chance encounters. Some of them are not so chance encounters where they're being hunted or something like that. But I think most encounters really are chance encounters. And who knows what this thing was, you know, if it was some science experiment gone bad or if it was the strange thing is I've heard the same description on the West Coast. and so I don't really know what to make of it or what this thing is. But I hope more people come forward and share it. And hopefully we can, like I always say, I know it's kind of a dumb statement, but kind of put pieces of the puzzle together. And what is it that people are running into? And it starts by sharing the encounter. So I really appreciate you coming on, Robert.

Thank you again. Thank you. Listen, and stay in touch. If you need anything, just call. And, you know, I'm listening to the show. And again, I'm trying to make, I'm trying to put the pieces of my puzzle together and to say, hey, what was that? And you've got a great show. I'll listen, you know, like when I came across it and then I started listening more and more about people who came,

had this chance encounters. And it fascinated me. And not because, like, I want people to know who I am or, hey, I want to write a book on this. That's not my objective. My thing is that, listen, you know, I was in the military. Harry, you know, I was in Special Forces. If there's something dangerous that's out there and people are just ignoring it or they're not telling other people they've seen something, then it would create more of a danger for the civilians that just kind of chance encounter something like this outside of a vehicle. So that's why I came forward into talk and tell you about this, you know.

But it's fascinating And I hope I hope it Maybe illuminates someone who's listening To maybe send you an email and say hey I saw something like that at this location And this is what I thought it was And but I

I highly recommend people to call in And to tell Tell what they saw Yeah I couldn't agree more Thank you. Thank you Wes No thank you Robert All right Thank you.

Thanks again, Robert. And that's it for tonight. Everyone, remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at saskwatchchronicles.com. If you get a chance, please check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com, get additional shows, check out the daily blog. And I'm not on YouTube. So there you go.

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