Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:4 Infrasound and Bigfoot Researcher-Brenda Harris

Episode Date: November 4, 2013

Infrasound, sometimes referred to as low-frequency sound, is sound that is lower in frequency than 20 Hz (Hertz) or cycles per second, the "normal" limit of human hearing. Hearing becomes gradually less sensitive as frequency decreases, so for humans to perceive infrasound, the sound pressure must be sufficiently high. The ear is the primary organ for sensing infrasound, but at higher intensities it is possible to feel infrasound vibrations in various parts of the body. New Mexico – Brenda Harris, has had encounters with Bigfoot from the mid 1990's to the present. This has prompted her to do more investigations and continuous research on the subject. Brenda Harris has investigated Bigfoot sightings and activities for years. "Bigfoot is something that the people on the reservation are dealing with right now in different areas," she said. "For people living along the rivers, they hear it yelling or screaming late at night. Brenda will give us an update on whats going on.

When I had come down the hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What are you reporting?

What on now, sir? That's the son of a bitch is about six foot. Yes, I'm looking right in. Welcome to Bigfoot hotspot Radio, Saskatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jetty. Let's start the show. Researchers believe that Bigfoot's have the ability to stop their prey by zapping them with a low-frequency sound. Infrasound and low-frequency noise can be dangerous and very effective due to its strong vibrations.

These waves hug their ground and can travel for long distances without losing strength. Infrasound refers to a sound vibrations that at a frequency are too low to be heard. heard by the human ear. When you talk about infrasound, you kind of have to talk about all the different aspects of infrasonics and kind of how the different frequencies affect humans and affect us when we get hit with it. You know what I found interesting when I was researching this topic is how much information is out there on infrasound and the exposure of infrasound and the effects. I even have a little cheat sheet telling you the different herds and basically how it affects the human body. People have reported different symptoms, fear, sorrow, depression, anxiety, nausea,

chest pain, and even hallucinations, which I thought was kind of odd that they would have hallucinations. I was going through taking a look at this research that was done on infrasound, and one of the things in there that scientists did, he calls it microwave hearing, is something to where, it's kind of like infrasound. Same theory. It's being hit with a certain frequency and basically how it affects you, what they had found is at a certain frequency of being hit with these sound waves, what happens is your brain,

you don't hear the noise, but you feel it. So your brain senses it. Your brain then sends the signals out to your body basically saying, hey, what is this? What's going on? And the longer that your mind tries to search for what this is, the more the feeling of something's watching you or the panic starts setting in,

that flight or fight starts kicking in. but the scientist what he did is he went through and he was hitting obvious test subject hitting people with this microwave frequency hitting them in the head with it and what they had found is people started hallucinating they started thinking they saw things and they would hear voices in their head he even sat down and did the test and it was really interesting to see what how these different frequencies actually affect us and how you know something like this it made me think a lot of when you hear about the, I talked to you about it the other day, Will, it made me think a lot about when you hear people say they saw Bigfoot cloaking or they saw Bigfoot mind speaking, some of the

weird stuff that you hear about, but it made me think of this infrasound and the study that the scientist did, because what the scientist, what happens is people think they start hearing voices in their head can start hallucinating, and it all ties back to this low frequency sound that and the effects on the body. Microwaves and other radio frequencies are known to affect the human body. But could they be responsible for voices in people's heads? Chicago, Illinois, a world authority on microwave hearing, shows how it could work. It chirp.

Lynn is hearing sounds that aren't there. But he's not crazy. Pulsors of microwave energy are being generated and fired at him from behind. Microwaves can be heard depending on the individual, depending on the hearing acuity of the individual. Individuals with a fairly normal hearing can hear microwaves at quite a low level. The energy of the absorbed microwaves causes brain tissue to very slightly heat up and expand, causing a pressure wave to be picked up by the hearing mechanism in the inner ear. Professor Lynn is far from hearing voices,

but it could be possible to send coded signals to an agent this way. Brain is an electrical organ. It is susceptible to electrical signals. Since microwave is electrical, therefore, in principle, one could embed or encode information in the microwave signal says that it could be perceived by the brain. And Wes, you kind of touched on it earlier, too. With infrasound, you had mentioned there was spheres, sour, depression, anxiety, nausea, and stuff like that, hallucination.

But not only along with that, it actually, infrasound can actually affect the body's internal organs. You can actually become ill because of it. You can rapid heartbeat, blood pressure will raise, not only in humans, but other animals. So that kind of explains why, like tigers, lines and stuff like that can kind of subdue their prey because they go in, and West, like you said, they go in that fight or flight syndrome. They get confused. and that's another thing is confusion.

I thought those were a lot of the key points that kind of stuck out in my mind, and I thought it was really interesting, and I kind of learned a lot looking the stuff up. A lot of different animals use infrasound to stun their prey. I came across another thing on YouTube. It's kind of a cool documentary about tigers

and how they use infrasound, the effects that it has on other animals, as well as people. ...the Tread flesh, but the tiger is thought to have another invisible weapon to fight it. secret force with the power to paralyse. It's coming right through.

It feels like the sound is actually penetrating. An unseen force as old as the dinosaurs, which holds a thick of threat. I'm absolutely convinced you could have sound sufficient, totally disable someone. The threat so potentially destructive that millions of dollars have been spent exploring its power. The tigers roar, a secret sinister force.

With a series of groundbreaking experiments, reveal it as a key to understanding the root of human fear. Tigers are responsible for more human deaths than any other big cat. Up to 300 people a year are killed by tigers in just one area of Bengal. They're fast, muscular and dangerous. and their roar hides a secret weapon. An invisible force that some believe has the power to paralyze. In the jungles of Nepal,

Tiger conservationist Mel Sunquist came face to face with his deadly predator and lived to tell the tale. This day I found this one, Tiger, in this place along a stream with a lot of ditches, you could, meandering ditches, 15-foot high grass, tangles of vines. We got right in. on top of her with three elephants. I mean, we're looking like coming here to the tree. We are close and the elephants are really nervous. Lots of ear flapping. I had a Nepali's

counterpart got them his elephant into the tree to try and look into the grass. And shortly after that was up the tree she went, sunk her claws and they disappeared off the branch and into the tall grass and then she went to the elephants. Asmel Sunquist and his wife watched in terror they felt the physical effects of the tiger's roar. It's like it's coming right through. It feels like the sound is actually penetrating. It's so forcing. My wife was, since he said, she felt like she couldn't move. She felt like she was sort of frozen. Survivors of tiger attacks have spoken of being paralyzed, frozen to the spot. But Elizabeth von Mugentala is the first scientist to take it seriously.

She's a bioacoustician researching animal communication. She believes the tiger's secret weapon is a gateway to an uncharted area of science. It's only been in the last 20 years that we've started to even begin to understand some of the marvelous capabilities that animals have. With tigers at a zoo in South Carolina has enabled her to access their language. After working with tigers for a number of years, you know, sort of their greeting, which is called a greeting shuffle, which is a foo-f-f-f-f-f-foo. And they do it to people as well as other tigers and other animals. Oh, yeah. Tigers are actually one of the most vocal species.

They literally have thousands of different calls. The sounds we can hear are used by tigers to speak to each other. But Liz believes they have another silent language that sends a message to their victims. An ultra-low frequency rumble called infrasound. Improsound is a major component of a tiger's roar. It's subsonic, below the threshold of human hearing. And Liz believes it has a direct physiological effect on our bodies. The experience of a tiger's roar is actually quite terrifying.

You feel chills up your spine, and you get... sort of a tingling sensation as well as feeling almost immobilized. I came around the corner during my night watch checks and he knew I was there. I knew he was there but I had no idea and it was just a straight roar. Straight right out my house probably a foot away and you just freeze. It literally froze me in my track. A silent sound with the power to paralyze. Is the tiger's roar a gateway to an invisible way?

of communication and threat. Survivors of tiger attacks have spoken of being momentarily paralyzed by its roar. Research scientist Liz von Mugenthala believes infrasound is the reason. A silent weapon. The tiger's roar and the infrasound that it contains can be used to paralyze their prey and cause confusion in their victim. So the tiger can pound and kill its victim. The blast was so loud.

It was like it went through you. Sound waves do have an effect on our bodies because, you know, we're 70 plus percent water, so that's definitely going to have some obvious impact. We also have to consider the psychological aspect with some of the people who, like with the people involved with the tigers, you know, how much of that was a psychological component as opposed to a sound component. That's a good point. That's a good point.

You mean that fear kicking in as opposed to hearing something. as opposed to be tigers just about to extinction and if it was infrasound on humans they're going to hear them what your thoughts are but that's you know

I have to look at it you know from sort of a skeptic alliance say well okay before I buy into the subject we have to look at all different angles from it you know the military's developing non-lethal technologies

using sound waves too I remember seeing that on I was watching what is that is it on the military channel where they talk about the the newest web that are out there and stuff like that. And they actually have the, I want to say it was ultrasonic, but I'm not sure. It might have been an infrasound type thing. And they were shooting

it off the back of one of the military vehicles. It was actually stopping, it was in the test phase of when I watched it. But it would actually stop a large group of people, and it would pretty much subdue them. And they would stop. They were confused. They didn't know what to do. That was pretty cool. Yeah, I almost used. Yeah. I think they've been using infrasound since, what, World War I think they used it originally to locate artillery. And I'm kind of surprised. how much they actually know about the different frequencies and how it affects. I have a kind of a cheat sheet. I was going to post up on Facebook, but it tells you the different cycles per second and

Earth the Hertz and how it affects the human body. What does it? I think it's 12 cycles per second. It says Walt Disney and his artist accidentally used infrasound when they were on one of their cartoons and some of the sound effects. People were coming out of the theater sick. People after they had seen it were actually. physically ill and having different symptoms of infrasound after actually watching one of his

films. But it's kind of cool. It lays down all the different cycles per second and how it affects you. Will, do you think Bigfoot actually uses infrasound? Have you heard of any encounters out there where it's obvious infrasound? Not where it's obvious imprasound. I would say I read a study that was done by size and the viking a noise like that as this professor says. You're usually when they make a noise, any kind of a noise vocalizations, you know, trying to identify food or a maid or things like that. But the low frequency noises, he says, that are most often used to signal danger. When you have a loud, epper sound noise, which would be in the range anywhere from a half a hurt to 10 hertz. They call it, what it does is it goes in your ear and activates what they call a vestibular.

And what it does is it rattles kind of like, messes up your equilibrium in your ear. It's actually how it affects. start originally how it affects the body. You know, I hate to go back, and I always talk about West and I have an encounter, but when we do, Will, when we heard the example. Yeah, it is actually a good example. I always hate going back to it, but, you know, when we heard, you know, that fourth and that fifth growl, you know, I had made the comment that it shipped

the car, it actually, you know, and of course, West said, you know, it didn't shake the car, it shook us. And that's, I think that's, after doing this research, I can better understand on what actually happened because there was, there was an elevated heartbeat. I mean, there was fear, it was spider flights, blood pressure was raised, and then confusion came in, you know, like when I, when we backed up off that game trail, we could have just Paul Dasen got out of there, but I didn't do it. You know, I turned the car off and had to sit there and kind of regroup and get my thoughts together. I'm going to have to say that was an nif or sound hit. I mean, I don't know how to other, they're in to explain what happened.

And again, it's, you know, some of these people out there, they think it's communication from one Sasquatch or the other. And it could be, but again, it's not so much thing like that as telling these are danger. And not only with the confusion, and if you remember part of our story, well, there was also a part of time loss. We spoke about that, all three of us that have talked about that. You know, I don't know if I can contribute that to just being afraid or, you know, how time kind of slows down when everything, when all your emotions are elevated, time goes by very quickly. I don't know. I could be if your equilibrium was disturbed. There could have been a number of facts.

Yeah, that's a good point. And another thing that I ran across too in doing this research was, I know you guys hate the whole paranormal thing, but I'm going to talk about it anyways. When you get down to that low of a frequency and you get into the hallucination stage, that is to where a lot of people believe to kind of lose their mind and go into a different realm, and they call it the ghost realm, to where they're seeing the things that are not there. So I don't know. I thought that was kind of interesting, too.

Yeah, I think it's... Yeah, looking all this up just made me think of, the different people talking about the different things that they've seen or witnessed. Bigfoot cloaking, Bigfoot mind speaking. And it made me think, I almost wonder if they're being hit with, while around these creatures, they're being hit with infrasound to where it's delusional, but it's real inside their head, just like that doctor was saying when he was being hit with that at 18 hertz, what happens is the brain actually swells.

And in there, within your brain, you actually develop that, what you think you're hearing, but you're not actually hearing that. But your brain actually creates this, it produces this phenomenon to where you think you hear voices, you think you are seeing things that aren't there. And a lot of it has to do with just these sound waves

and how it's affecting you. And a lot of these different scientists, one thing I found fascinating when I was looking up infrasound and going into all these different categories of infrasound was that everything on Earth has a frequency. Our brains have a certain frequency, even like grass has a frequency. I think scientists say

It has like 512 as the frequency of a blade of grass. So everything on the planet actually has a frequency. What were you saying, Will? Everything vibrates at a certain frequency, right? There was a few years back, and I think we've talked about it prior. We were out in the, Will, we were actually out in the Tucson area. And we had a honey trip plan. We had gone up on the top of the Tucson, and we were just getting ready to make camp for the night,

getting everything set up. We were just about ready to get everything set up. It was the weirdest thing. there was not a sound, there was no crickets, there was nothing, but there was this overall compelling fear that came over myself and my other two brothers as well. I mean, you can almost hear a pin drop. I don't know if that was the weird part about it or whatnot, but we had several guns, we were ready to go, we were ready to hunt, and yet we picked up camp and we left. We decided not to stay there up in the Siouxon. So, you know, at West that could be, the possibility is that

there was some kind of low frequency infrasound type thing that, Will, you had mentioned that it's, you know, it's in mentioning danger or there's going to be danger or to put fear into somebody. And maybe that's what happened to us that night because I really don't have any other explanation for it. So I wonder, and this is kind of a question, so I wonder if animals using the infrasound, some of them use it to suppress their prey and deistoring them or confuse them. Do you think it's also kind of, and Will you kind of touched on it, do you think it's kind of a warning sign? Do you think that certain animals can pick up on other animals? Do they, like for instance, you take an elephant and a tiger, infrasound is going to be at different herds, kind of a different level.

Do you think that they can hear each other's infrasonic sounds? Is that a dumb question? Well, no, it's not. And I was just thinking about that. You know, we first, if we're talking about the sasko, to me, that would be the first. It's like if you go into an area and there's a, you know, and to me, I knew there was a saskwatch in the area. that stops all the other ones from making noise. You know, it alerts everybody to danger.

You know, a lot of people who've been attacked by tigers in other parts of the world, one thing that they commonly say is when they, right before they were attacked or before they had seen a tiger in the area, they had noticed it was completely silent in the area. There was no forest noises. There was no. And so it made me think a lot of the Sasquatch,

and if they are using that as a form of, you know, I wish that we knew more about them and if they are utilizing this. Because there's not a whole lot you can do to fight off in for sound. Do you know what I mean? I'm not sure if they would use it in hunting because if other animals are picking up and it's going to alert the prey animal. It might be the other animals in the area sensing the danger of the sound. And it could even be the same thing in for sense.

You know, another thing I found interesting too on doing some of this research was, you know how you guys have seen on TV or you've heard certain people say that dogs come into my mind. It was one of the first things that come in my mind is, dogs can predict earthquakes, volcano eruptions, and even at times heart attacks. Anytime that there is an earthquake

or an avalanche or volcanoes by rite gal off, it's an infrasonic sound in the excess of 120 decimals, but the range is below 10 hertz. So I thought that was kind of interesting that it's not only animals making the sound,

it's natural occurrences that happen on Earth, you know, earthquakes, volcanoes, dogs, or one of the Dogs are one of the first ones to hear him. They kind of give us a pre-warning on before it's going to happen. So I thought that was kind of interesting, too. And a good example of that is when everything cleared out with danger. Everything as far as I know.

What were, did they, did they find any Bigfoot or Sasquatches up on Mount St. Helms when it blew? No. The guard got the credit for it, but it was actually the fifth cavalry that was there. A guy was flying. You know, anything that would have been seen. Yeah, no, the only reason why I ask is because you hear a lot of different types of rumors. I've heard rumors of after the Mount St. Helens' explosion that they had a pile of animals, and then there was another pile of Sasquatches that, you know, the military came in,

and they burned them all before anybody could see them, and that's the only reason why I asked if there was... Yeah, no, those are all below any of those stories. Yeah, yeah, you know, I thought it asked and see what your take was on, if you've heard any rumors like that or not. Definitely known if anyone. It's an interesting topic to discuss. I mean, I could probably, I have enough information to probably say, for the next three hours and talk about not just infrasound, but, you know, infrasonic and the effects on people.

It is an interesting topic. I've never really thought that much about it. I mean, of course, I'm always interested. They're warning each other not. Yeah, do you know if any other primates use infrasound? I saw that some of the material that you had sent well, and I hadn't had it, I started going through it. Well, this one was primarily on hearing. It didn't indicate that they used, at least in terms of hearing, and study done on it. So it would be a great mechanism, you know, because all primates are very social animals, and they do have different things of dangers. Yeah, do you know if a lot of the cameras give off infrasound? I know a lot of they talk about game cams and not being able to get them on a game camera.

What he talked about ultrasound? But I think a lot of ultrasound you find in bats. The ultrasound is basically it projects out to get a signal, and you kind of get a picture based on the sound that you're projecting out. so you get an image and an old bats use it to navigate. There's a few other creatures that use it. And I can't imagine that Sasquox would use it. You know, maybe because the game cams are all electronic,

that maybe there is a noise pitch range that we can't hear, that maybe they can. One of the things that people don't understand, too, that we produce and work with. And wild creatures, it could be that the trail, you know, we're glued to cell phones, we're glued to all kinds of things, a few moments. And maybe there's very imperceptive.

And maybe that is just, because anything man-made these guys, if the camera's not hidden, they're going to see it. But if it's doing something, they might be able to perceive. Like with EmperSound, we can perceive it. We obviously can't produce it, but we can perceive it. It made me think, you know, if there's something in those cameras that they're giving off, that they're perceiving that they're picking up on, it's something unfamiliar, it's something so they stay away from it. Yeah, if they were tested, you know, to see what kind of sounds or something they might be giving on. that we have no idea that they are.

I was kind of thinking about you guys were talking about. Do you guys remember the old school TVs when you used to turn on a TV and right before it would turn on, you would hear that high pitch, that high pitch hum? Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking

with the trail camps. Maybe they're doing something like that. You know, West, you had mentioned bats. I mean, they're anywhere from 1,000 to 100,000 hertz. Dolphins are 150,000 hertz, but they use it as kind of the ultrasonic part of it as kind of a radar type thing. But it was really weird.

I was just kind of sitting back, reminiscing the back of the old days with the old TVs. And when you first turned them on, you could hear the tubes come on, and it was a real high-pitched hump. And maybe the cameras today, I realize we're in a digital age, and I'm comparing apples and oranges. But maybe there is something that is similar between the two. It basically doesn't try it out to test them, you know, to see if there was, they might be giving off. Yeah, I don't think it's too far fast. I mean, I was telling Will even about the brain gives off age. Do you hear about the fear frequency, Woody, that we give off?

I read a little bit about it. What was it? Is it a low frequency or is it an ultrasonic frequency or an infrasone frequency? It's an infrasound frequency. Your brain actually kicks out when you're in fear. Here's kind of what it sounds like. I won't play the whole thing for you guys because it's annoying. But there's actually a fear frequency that your brain kicks out when you're in fear tells your body to react to being in fear.

So it was just fascinating. Like Will said, everything gives off a frequency. and, you know, when you start looking into Improsound, there's this whole array of topics that are all kind of tied in, and it makes me think of a lot of people's experiences where they say, hey, I had just had to get out of the area. I just had this feeling like I was in danger, or I had this feeling like I'm being watched.

You know, it made me think a lot. I know that there's a theory that Bigfoot has, is able to produce Improsound. And it would be interesting, you know, you read all these different encounters where people are talking about this, and it kind of makes you wonder a little bit, you know. Is it something that they're perceiving that they aren't quite hearing? I think that's probably the basis for a lot of these sort of, you know, there's probably

I know we have Brenda Harris waiting on the line and I want to get her on the line to give us an update. Brenda Harris has encountered Bigfoot from the mid-1990s to present. This has prompted her to do more investigations and continue her research on this subject. Brenda's here to give us an update on what's going on there in the New Mexico area on the Navajo Reservation. Brenda, I wanted to, when you were on our show the last time, a lot of people, I've gotten so many emails from people asking about you and how much they enjoyed the show, how much they enjoyed hearing you.

And I wanted to know if you would give us some updates or if there's updates that are going on there in the New Mexico area. I got a phone call yesterday and I met up with a gentleman about some sightings that he's been having out there and it's about I'm going to say about maybe close to 10 miles from where I live. I went out there yesterday to go meet with the guy and talk with him and see what's been going on and he said that the big foot has been chasing his horse, you know, some commotion going off and the horse going off one night and he went outside to go look and shine the light, you know, trying to figure out which way he's running and had this thing yelling at the same time.

He just shut his flashlight off and he had, you know, it was so bright that night, the moonlight, so he really didn't need a light. So he shut his flashlight off and just kind of listening to see which way it was going and coming. And he could just tear the force really, you know, running at full force. And he, you know, trying to figure out where since the dogs are going off and uppersney, finally sees and shines the light in one direction and there goes its horse and there's just big foot chasing right after right behind it and he was just like wow you know really surprised to see that it actually chasing his horse so he called you he how many times did he had seen this he said they've been going on sometimes out throughout the summer and then within the past

month the past two months it's been going on again you know it stopped there for a little bit in i believe the beginning of august and it started right back up in the towards the end of August all the way into September to October. And within the past week, he said it seemed to kind of calm down, it seemed to stop. But it's coming back around again and it's bothering, you know, his livestock. And he keeps trying to go into where he keeps his horses and his goats. He's got goats. And it seems like it keeps going into that area.

But it's kind of staying away because he does got some street light up, which is really good. As a matter of fact, he's got two streetlights going up one kind of close by the corral and one by his home. And, you know, that's what I've been telling the people around here is to get a lot of lighting up around your lifestyle because these things they don't really like the light. But still, they do come out in the light as well. So, you know, I make sure I mention that to them as well. And what it wants is food. It is looking, want something to eat. So you've got the goats there.

You know, a lot of people are missing a lot of goats and small dogs. and cats, you know, and even horses as well. Do you think it was trying to eat its horse? Do you think what's going on? It's a good possibility. That's what he was saying, you know, that I think he's after my horse because he's chasing my horse and it's been going on for quite some time. And the horses have been getting away.

Has he had any livestock missing? He's mainly for right now. He has, I believe he said his sister's been missing some of her sheep as well as cats and some small puppies. But of his own, as far as his horses and his goats, he said not yet. But he's been really keeping an eye out on them. And when he hears it coming around, he'll open the door and it'll be between, I'm going say, between 1 to about 4 o'clock in the morning is when it starts going through his property

and trying to get to his goats. And you can hear the dogs crying underneath the house there. And, you know, he's like, okay, it's here because the dogs are crying. The horse is going out of Snowden, and you can hear it coming from the west, from the wash there. And you can hear every now and then he said that you can hear it yelling. And as it's yelling, it's making its way towards his place. So when he hears that and coming up, he'll go outside and shine up, you know, his splash hide in different areas from where the sound is coming from. And he'll come in and he'll shoot in different directions to try and chase it off.

And that seems to help some. That's what a lot of people are doing right now because they're getting really tired. But they're coming around and taking their livestock. A lot of people are missing a lot of their livestock, especially the sheep and goats. Now, I know, Brenda, you're a researcher out there. You have the shadow seekers. Shadow seekers. Yeah, shadow seekers.

And I know in the New Mexico area, when people have these encounters, and I know with the Native American culture, a lot of times they don't call the cops. They call you to come out there. And I know you've taken time and your effort to go out there to help people. What did this guy tell you? I mean, has he seen these creatures? Has he known about these creatures? Is he just completely terrified on? I mean, God, I can't even imagine if I had a property and I was worried about my horse, some

big foot eating my horse. You know, was he, he aware of what these creatures are? Is he completely terrified? He's known of these creatures for a very long time. He's been told even by his mom. Even his grandma at a very young age from what he was telling me yesterday was that grandma would tell him, go, you guys go, the kids, you know, you guys go out there and go herd the sheep, the goats, go take him out and then you go watch them as they eat. While the grandma is standing on top of the mesa and the grandson and the other ones would be walking down into the wash and taking the sheep and the goats down there. and, you know, I heard the sheep down that way,

and I'd say he'd be out there for a little while, because the grandma would be waiting up on top. Of course, she's watching from the top, and they're down below, and she would see the Bigfoot coming from a distance, and she would tell the grandson she'd be pointing that way to the area where this Bigfoot is coming. And he'd look that way, and he would see it, and he would, of course, the sheep,

you, your animals, they know when something shouldn't be out there. They're going back up to the house, which is what's going on right now at his property. So he's known for a very long time that Bigfoot has been around. And grandma, you know, he would come back up to the house. And he'd stand by at the end of the ledge there with his grandma. And his grandma would be pointing to him there it is. He'd walking across the wash there. enough, there it is walking, and he was

surprised. She would tell his grandson, you don't go out there when that thing's out there. You see it? He's looking for a few ones as she. And the grandson was really surprised. You know, he had that time at the young age, it scared him. It really did.

You don't go out there at night when that thing's running around that night. You stay inside. When your mom and your dad tell you, you stay inside, you better listen or that thing's going to run off with you again. And, you know, he shared some stuff like that with me yesterday. And it's true what she had to say. You know, so he would watch the goats and the sheep and what livestock that they would have.

His wife, I guess lately, he's been wanting to buy some chickens and rabbits. And he's like, no, you know, we're not getting any of that because they really like to eat that stuff. And so right now they have just the goats and horse. And the guy would tell me that usually the goats, they, you know, wander quite a waste. from the house, you know, to eat and stuff. And now, ever since this thing has been chasing the horses and the goats at night, these goats will not leave the house during the day. They stay close by and the house.

They won't go no further away from the house because of the thing that's out there. They know when these things are out there. And so he said the goats are really scared. He goes, they will not go straight anywhere. He goes, they never used to be like that until just recently. So now they stay around the house, really close to the corral. But he has known that the Bickwood has been here for a very long time. You know, he's shared some stories just like this one I did with you,

but the grandma told him and showing him that there he comes. And he was really surprised to see, like, wow. And at that young of age, it really did scare him and said. Because they now, he's in his 40s. He's still pretty scared of them. They're, you know, really close to their house. And he's seen where it's looked in his house there, around the window. So there's, like, indentions of this thing, like, really pushing on into the house there around the window.

And his sister's going through the same thing as well. So they're pretty scared out there in the city. There's an open area. And, you know, if you were to come on and look, you would say, wow, that's a desert. What would Bigfoot be doing running around out here? because it's just flat, but some areas, there are some canyons in there, and this is where they're running through, and that's where the water source is. As long as there's the water, and you've got food close by,

you're always seen in those areas. I had asked him, what color was this thing when you've seen it? He said it was black, and there was a night when he shined the flashlight in the area where he had seen it down behind the bush. He had red eyes. I said, yeah, that's him, all right. He doesn't have a really bad, awful smell. That's him, all right?

Yeah, was it the red eyes with the flashlight when he put the flashlight to it? Is that when he saw the red eyes? Just out of curiosity. Yes, yes. Okay. Yeah. I think, Woody, did you have a question? Well, for people don't know that, you know, Brenda's been on the show before, and I welcome him back for it.

It's nice to hear your voice again, and it's always a pleasure to talk to you. So welcome back, and it's nice to have me again. Being a researcher, he probably, kind of what Wes said earlier, he probably contacted you first. But has he gone to the police or anybody else as far as, you know, what's going on out there? Or is it strictly? And if he has, the second part of the question would be what was the response if that did take place? Well, he had been, I guess, apparently been trying to get in contact with me. He finally found me on Facebook.

And he asked me to come out there. And, you know, of course, I did as far. And I did ask him, have you contact, you know, the police. And he's made some contact with him for the PD to get out here on the reservation because it's such a big reservation. It takes them a long time to get out. out here into different areas and they don't have a whole lot of force behind them. They don't have a lot of manpower. And so for them to get out here to check sometimes, it could take them anywhere from

hour to 24 hours a day or two, even a week. Maybe even more can finally get out here because the reservation is so huge. They have, you know, they've been giving tons of calls all over on the reservation of hearing Bigfoot running around and throwing trash trash. around looking for food. They hear yelling different parts of the reservation. So it does take some time for them to get out here. And he did call to let them know, hey, something's out here.

Sometimes they'll come. Sometimes they won't. So, you know, it is. It's really hard to get law enforcement out here on the reservation. You'd be lucky if they come within about 20, 30 minutes, which is very, we'd be very lucky to get someone out here. that quit. He has made contact and I believe back in August, if I remember right, back in August of this year, he did call and they did come, but it took them some time. Some will come,

some will not come because of the culture, the Navajo culture. Some of them believe that if you see when you're going to die in seven and seven years, within the seven years, some believe that they're evil. They're no good. You know, everybody believes differently. So a lot of the time the culture, the Navajo culture, it does interfere. We're trying to get in help out there

because a lot of the Navajo PD, they will not even respond to the calls to somebody else that, you know, will take the call. So a lot of the times, they bump heads with that because of their beliefs. And so that's another thing that stops them from coming out and checking different areas.

So Brenda, do the Navajo police to the knowledge that this is actually a big foot or SaaS class? I believe they do. And I know they've seen this thing many, many times. I mean, like I said, they've gotten so many calls. As a matter of fact, we are in November, right? I believe, oh, my gosh, it must have been the end of October. It's been about three weeks, as a matter of fact, maybe about three and a half weeks now.

They were actually chasing one in the Shiprock area where they called an area where they called Gutty Eye. And it's like west of Shiprock. And they, about 7 o'clock in the morning, one of my relatives that lives in that area gave me a call or text to me early in the morning and said, hey, they are actually chasing a big foot in this area and they've got a helicopter right above it too as well. And I don't know why they were chasing it or what their deal was. I was told that they were chasing it, and it was heading towards the north. Most likely they might have been trying to run it out and run it back out into the mountains back towards the ominous state. Let's see.

The Colorado Mountains is probably where it was heading back when they were trying to chase it back out that way. So they have seen it. I mean, they were chasing it. Some on foot, the vehicles. also the helicopter. So they're using the helicopter as well. So you have this big foot slash Sasquatch running around killing livestock. It sounds like it's after the go.

It's also chasing horses. There's been several people that have, well, it sounds like the one individual you're telling us about earlier with the flashlight. He has seen it. And I know from talking to you before, there has been several instances of people out on the reservation seeing this creature. Is there anything that the Navajo police are doing to, like, stop it? Or, you know, to, I mean, are they doing anything other than just coming out and making a report? Are they making headway as far as how to stop it? Or, you know what I mean?

As far as I know, it sounds like to me is that they're just doing reports, taking reports. As far as doing anything, I really don't know. I really can't answer that question. As far as them maybe trying to chase it out, this is the first time that I've heard them chase this one now about three and a half weeks ago using the helicopter. So, you know, that is a good thing, that they are, you know, trying to run it back out in the mountains,

which is good. But as far as doing something else is actually going out and actually, you know, checking, walking on foot and, you know, running out by foot, I have not heard them doing that. And because of when some of these cops are, Even some of my crew, when we go checking these areas, we do get rocks thrown at us. And we get a lot of growls, you know, people that are guys here close.

You know, we need to back off. And, you know, these things are big and very fast. So not telling what they'll do if we push further and more. The cops, Navajo PDs, well, they'll step back like, hey, once they hear that growl, that mean growl, they back off. they won't go any further. That's about it. They'll turn and they'll leave. They're like, I'm not messing with that because that's baby.

Sometimes it's not just one growl. There could be like two other growls along with it, one in one area, one in another area, but close by. I wanted to ask you, I know you did the, you had your own conference. You had done a conference, you were the conference organizer for the Bigfoot Conference in New Mexico back in September. And as far as the best, evidence that you saw at that conference. What did you take away from the conference? I know you're the organizer, but what did you take away from the conference? Can you kind of talk a little bit about the conference and any sort of evidence that you saw? The conference that was held back in September,

it was very, it was really good. It came out great. You know, we had a little bit of glitches at the beginning, but in the end, it came out really, really good. The first day, we had 200 people. The next day, We had about 100 people. What was the 100 people that we had? So we had a total of 300 people that came. And it was just, it was great. It really came out good. All the people had a lot of questions.

So many of them had stories to tell them that want to tell the stories. They share with some of the speakers about, you know, what's going on here. You don't hear any of the things that's going on. You hear now is they're friendly. they're nice, they're trying to communicate with one another. We don't get that here. You know, the people want one of the speakers to hear for themselves what is actually going on out here.

What we're dealing with out here is totally pretty much different from what a lot of researchers are doing right now. And don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with what a lot of the researchers out there are doing all over the states. And that's good, you know, collecting the hair, the footprints, the cast, teachers, that is all good.

I'm nothing against that because I do the same thing as well. Now, as far as the evidence, people that came into the conference from different, like Arizona, I had a couple that brought in a cast. They cast us out there in St. Lee, Arizona. And in same league, there's a college out there,

community. college out there. And students are hearing this thing yell and screaming out there. And that's right behind the college. And one of the maintenance men happened to hear it, and they couldn't believe what they were hearing, and that really scared a lot of the students there, gentlemen. And he came and shared with that and brought some pictures and some casts. And it was really neat for the community members in my area to see that.

like, hey, oh, wow, you guys are going through the same thing as pretty much what we're dealing with here, but here's a little bit worse. And, you know, people sharing their stuff and, you know, more of the people were opening up more about it. It's like, hey, it's okay that they're saying something that you don't understand. Who do you talk to? They're like, they want to say something, but they're too scared to because they don't want to be made fun of or, you know, get laughed. that like, oh, you're talking, you say the weird, you know, you guys are crazy. You know, we have so many people that have, you know, that opened up, and that was a really

plus, big plus, and they were so thankful that I had the conference, you know. People come in and telling me, oh, thank you. So much for having this conference. It has really helped me understand some things, things that's going on in our area. it could be like four or six-hour drive for them, hey, this is what's going on out there. What do we do? What do we need?

Can you come out? After the conference was done with, I had tons of emails, hey, I need you to come out here. You've got to check this area. This is what's going on. It was crazy there for a while. It came out really good. Everybody's, you know, I was surprised. I was not expecting that many people asking.

You know, they had lots of questions. It was just really good. Very informative, people very thankful. And they asked me to do it again next year. So I will be hosting another one next year. So I'm getting that all lined up and hopefully we'll come out. That'd be great, you know. You know, there's so many stories for out here on the reservation,

want to share their stories, but they don't know who with. So, you know, having this conference really has opened up the door for people to come and speak and to talk and share what's going on. Like, oh, my gosh, wow. I mean, there was a gentleman that lives in the Farmington area that came and he had an experience when he was young. You know, he started telling us that he had seen this creature but wasn't too sure. Is that really a bit good? You know, but he never really didn't want to say anything because he didn't know who to talk to. you know what to say, you know, and he came to the conference,

and when it was all done with, this gentleman was in tears. He was probably in his, I'm not saying the 50s, and he's in tears, and he's just looking at us and the Japanese. I just want to say thank you. All these years, I thought maybe I was just the crazy one, but all these years, I knew the doubt inside that it was real. I know Bigfoot's real. Now I know what I've seen is real from the description he gave me from what it smelled like

and how the body struck with the belt. You know, it's huge. The head didn't have no neck. The eyes, the eyes was red. I would imagine a huge relief to get that off the world. I'd imagine, you know, it's just a huge relief. I wanted to ask you two questions. One, what is the craziest thing that you've heard?

But think about that for a second. My other question for you is when you hear of, and I'm glad I got you on the phone because this is a question I've been thinking about all day to ask you. What do you think about all of this new stuff coming out? You know, like with the cloaking and people are gifting and everyone's holding hands with Bigfoot. You know, everyone's, it's all good times and fun. We're going to play, you know, we're going to play guitar out here. and it doesn't seem like you saw that. It doesn't seem like if you look at history, you don't see that 20, 30 years ago.

And now it seems like there's this new weird phenomenon going on in the Big Fig community. We haven't even proven the creature yet. It seems like there's this new, well, they cloak and they do all these other things. It throws me off a little bit because if you go back to the historical record, you don't see a lot of that, or at least what we have documented, you don't see a lot of that. What's your take on that? What do you think about when you hear stuff like that? I know a lot of people disagree and everybody has own opinions.

My personal own opinion is I disagree with the bowl gifting, feeding them, leaving them, you know, food and stuff. Because it draws attention for them to keep coming back. What's going to happen, all of a sudden you stop, there's no food there. They may get mad. You never know. We really don't know enough about these creatures and what they really are capable of doing. We may actually be making them mad, upset. Yeah, you know, then you've got the mind-speaking thing and they want to be friendly to them.

You know, that's one thing I will not do. I'm not going to do it for safety reasons. I don't know what this thing really wants. As far as I'm concerned, he could just take off with me. Now, you've got a lot of people out there that do these things. And it's a good thing that they are in a group, a group of people. And to do it maybe alone might be totally different. I don't know.

I just don't think that people should do that. They give them food. Like I said, they may get mad. If the food's gone, then what's going to happen? If you may get mad, you run out of food, okay, where's the food at? Right, yeah. You train him to do certain. Exactly, yeah.

I wanted to ask you, what is the craziest thing that you've heard? What is the craziest encounter that you've heard or that you've researched or investigated out there in your neck of the woods out there in New Mexico? Okay. I just, this one, this gentleman that I was in. talking about that I went and talked to yesterday. He mentioned something to me, and he showed me his areas, the area of where he's coming through. So he took me to his mom's place, which is probably about to, I'm going to see about a

quarter mile from where he lives, and got up, wanting to come back at his mom's place, or standing up there on the mesa down below the river. And he was telling me this happened about a year ago, he said. He could, he heard something like, really slapping hard against something. You know, if you were to slap your hands, you know, if you slap it loud enough, you can hear it, like hand-hand slap. Well, he heard that, and his mom heard the same thing.

It's like, what in the world? What is that? And when she was up here on top, like I said, on top of the mesa, and when you look down, there is the river there. And you got some open fields. So from the top, you can see it clearly. an open field, and then you got viner trees, and you got the river. And the gentleman says, he happened to look down, you know, like, where's that sound?

It sounds like a loud, slapping sound coming. Where's it coming from? So he goes walking back there behind his mom's place, and he happens, you know, he looks down and he sees three big foot down there in the open field with a corn. There was corn at the time in that field. was being grown, stands up on top, and he's just watching them. And these three creatures, they didn't see him watching from the top there. And he's just standing there.

He goes, and it was really strange what they were doing. And I said, what were they doing? He said that there was one of them sitting on the ground, while the two big creatures were, like, running to each other and hitting their chest. Kind of like almost you're running and you're going to, tackle someone, but they're hitting their chest together. And that's what that loud sound was. He was just like, why are they doing that?

He said, he stood there for a while. And they did it several times, he said. I said, I said, wow, I wonder what they were doing, maybe, trying to see which one was tougher than the other, maybe. I don't know. That was really strange. I've never heard of that before. So they were, like, banging on their chest then?

they were like charging each other and then sticking their chest out and they were hitting it against one another you know like yeah like he got like they're facing yeah they're facing yeah they're facing each other and they were running to each other and they would like like not butt head but butt in chest i guess i don't know how else to put it that's crazy he said they yeah they did that several times he said and the other one is just sitting on the ground watching them they did and they're not It was like, oh, wow, I've never heard of that before. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's pretty strange.

That is a strange one. That is a strange one. Do you have any investigations that you're working on right now? This is one that I'm working on right now. I'm going to be heading over there on the weekend. I will also be heading. They're having a lot of activity out in Wheatfield, Arizona. I just got a message last night from a couple from say-V area.

This thing is the creature is running through the neighborhood and throwing trash cans around. They did, some people in the neighborhood did call the cops, so they went and checked that area. Of course, it took off running. Their trash can also was thrown over as well. They've had three siding in one particular area last week. So I'll be checking that area. I'm hoping to get out there this weekend as well to check and see what's going on. there. There's one particular family that I'm working with right now that lives in the

Tallahatchie area. Now this family is losing livestock every day they've lost. They don't know how many cows they have lost some sheep. As well they've lost several sheep throughout the whole summer. Now when I talked to her last month she had a when I went out there, I mean, the guys went out there to go check this area out. She lives in Tocchi, and she has a ranch, and it's about hour and a half away, so we went up that way. And this thing has been killing a lot of their livestock out there. She even told me that she hasn't even gone out into the mountains

further away from the cabin where she stays, her daughter stays. she really doesn't even know how many cattle she has left and she's afraid to go out there to go check because of the thing is still running around out there she did drive around with her husband and her kids daughter's sons to go check on her cows and they found many many of them just broken the pieces

and they've been eaten and bones laying here and there and footprints here and there. So I'm dealing with this family. I'm going to be taking group of guys out there, and I will be out there for a little while and see what we can do out there. It's supposed to be done the whole of the law enforcement out there to let them know that, hey, I'm going to be out here.

I do have some weapons that I'm going to be carrying with me just to let me know, so don't throw me in jail. So this family, particular family, is going through a lot right now. They've lost so many livestock to this creature. She did take a picture of one that looks like it was setting on the ledge of the hill there. It's pretty big. From the picture that I look at the hair looks like the color of it looks black. And she said when they took the picture, they saw something moving and it was sitting there.

Sure enough there was, they showed. I don't need this picture. And it's like, wow, that's huge. And she said, they drove around the hill there. When they came back, it was gone. It was no longer sitting there. So it got up and it moved because it was to see them driving around down below. So they left.

After they saw that, that really scared them, and they just got out of there. And I had asked her how many cattle to have, how many cattle. they have. How many do you think do you have less? I don't know. We haven't even gone back out there to check because we're just too scared. See, that thing's big. And it's

eaten up all of my cattle and has gotten closer to their cabin there and her mom was just down below and they're missing a lot of their smaller animals as well too. So they're going through a lot of stuff there some other people out in Arizona as well are losing a lot of their sheets and

things and cows as well too so it's like going on all over on the reservation right now it did get quite there for a while and now it's just picked right back up again so I've got a lot of calls two days so I'll be running around checking those areas and making sure everybody's okay and stuff and sharing some things with them as well things that they could do of lighting is the most important for right now. It's trying to get light up, especially around the livestock. That seems to help quite a bit. Now, in our area, when I had this conference, the Bixit conference,

I had a gentleman, the first day was done, I had a gentleman that come up to me, and he goes, oh, so you're, you're over in the Harris. And I said, yes, I am. Wow, he says, because of you, we've got tons of all. orders to put up security light up just in the upper fruitment area. We are like in demand of security light. So you're the one that's wanting to get more lights up.

I said, yes. I said, and now I know why. Because he had an experience too just recently. He goes, we're so far back order on our lights. He goes, I'm just really shocked at how many orders we have on security lights to get up streetlights. is what he's talking about. We have some families out here in the area where I live

that have two streetlights going up. You know, this is the most I have ever seen orders. You know, he works with the electric company out. And they've got tons of orders of getting lights up, street lights, and some families have one, but they're actually having another one put up. I said, good. That's for their safety, and that's what they need.

So down in our area has, you know, words getting out, and that's a plus for me. And I'm glad that the people are listening, and that they are trying to do some of the things that I've been telling them to do, and the people come back to me. And thank you, thank you, thank you so much for your words and for letting us know. Just these simple little things will help. Just like the gentleman yesterday when I talked to him, I said, you have your cat food or your dog food, get them put up. Don't leave them outside because they eat those things.

He said, I put my dog food stuff up. I said, what about crack corn, horse feed? That's what they like to eat too. He was, oh, man, you know, I need that out. I said, you need to get that put up. Put some kind of cover on it or hide it or something because that's what, maybe that's another reason why he keeps trying to get into your carrel because you've got that livestock food there, which is crack corn mixed with different things.

They like to eat that stuff. really like the corn. My next question to you was going to be what kind of precautionary things do you tell people to do to try to prevent these things from happening and you're on it. You kind of stole my thunder there and you already

answered that question a lot of it. I hate to back up a little bit, but I wanted to ask you, and it's for me and for some other people out there too. Where did your conference take place at? Where was that held at? The conference was held at an area where I live. It's an area called

Upper Fruitland. It's on the reservation. It was like about 10 miles west of the Farmington area. You're probably one of the most memorable guests that we had in the past, and I've probably gotten the most emails from after you were on the show. People wanted to know, hey, what's going on with Brenda Harris? And actually, one of the listeners had sent me your investigation group, the shadow seekers. And did you want to talk a little bit about the shadow seekers? I have a group of guys. If I can get them all together, I have about 10 guys that go with me. We do go out and do our research and check out. When I get a phone call, I call the guys, hey, if you guys can come, come now.

I'm heading out in about 10 minutes, so get out as fast as you can. So we'll go check different areas. When I get a call, that's what we'll head. The guys are really good at what they do. when I feel that this creature is close by, I will literally grab one of the guys' back and push them behind me, and I will go forward. I can just feel something is not right.

When I feel that I usually grab the guy in front of me, and I'll get to the back because this one doesn't feel right. So they understand when I do that, I tell them, don't take it wrong, don't get upset, but this one just doesn't feel right right here. So they'll, you know, I'll kind of shove them to them back. And sometimes they get upset when I do that. A lot of times also I have a tendency to see when I have my daughter with me.

Her and I, we both have the tendency of walking away from the group by ourselves. You know, that's something that we shouldn't do, but it always happens. And I try not to do that because, you know, it freaks them out. Like, oh, my God, we're issue. We're, you know, they don't know where to find you or whatever, you know, and I'll come popping up or something. So they tell me, hey, you know, they get. after me as well too. So it goes back and forth and have a really good set of guys.

I've got one that knows locations and that knows their weapon. I have another one that knows the weapons really good. I have one that takes care of the camera, that uses the camera, records everything. I have my daughter that does the pictures for me. She takes my pictures and stuff as a group as going out. And so I have each and every one of them that have their special talents, you know, like, hey, what can you do? We could use you in this area. So each one of them has their own talents, which really helps. They know exactly what they're doing.

They know what I want to get done, what needs to be done. They throw their ideas at me as well. So I've got a great group of guys that is working with me right now, which is good. And after the conference, I've had a lot of other, about G, 15 other guys that want to join the group. I'm like, wow, this is awesome. The more help I can get, the better. We did post,

got a page up for our group. I haven't posted anything yet. I'm getting that all together. So I haven't posted anything yet. I've been posting a lot of pictures and information and how I got started and all of this and kind of backtrack and then to know.

I'll be posting a lot of that stuff on that page. So my group of guys are super. I, I I'm very thankful for them. Do you guys just do, is it more than just Bigfoot, the shadow seekers? And how can people contact you? We check anything. Yeah, we investigate anything.

I've gotten reports of this thing that looks like a wolf dog that's walking on to me. So I've got another report of what they call it looks like a lizard man. I'm going to be checking into that. As a matter of fact, I just got a call on that about a month ago. And they want me to go check out this cave where this thing is. is living, they say. So they've seen it in this particular area. So I'm going to go check that out and see what that's all about.

They want me to go in that area. So we're taking the guys with me. So let me check about just about anything that is roaming around out there that's strange to the people and that scares them. A lot of stuff running around out here that people are scared of and sometimes, you know, a lot of the times it's not big foot. But skin walkers, you know, everybody's asking about the skin walkers being I don't really care to talk about that, but if somebody wants to know about that, I'll share, you know, with them.

I'll explain to them what a skin walker is, and it's nothing more than an individual trying to scare another individual. It's nothing but witchcraft is what it basically comes down to. Yeah, I've heard that. Yeah. Some researchers, they really build a skin walker up to like, oh, my God, this is what it is, you know? I'm like, come on. It's nothing but witchcraft. And it's sad that it's being used among their own family members.

It's pretty crazy that they do stuff like that. But that's what a skin worker is. And I appreciate it, Brent. I appreciate you coming on. I know I don't want to keep you too much longer, but I do appreciate your time. Like I said, we've had a lot of listeners who have asked about you and a lot of listeners that wanted to know what was going on out there. So I appreciate you giving us an update.

Yeah, sure. That's Tony. And, well, one of these other days I'd like, you know, to give more details of, you know, what I share with the people. You know, it's kind of like the do's and the don'ts and the things that kind of help these sides of what I had just shared with you this evening. What is your, like, clip notes on do's and don'ts as far as Sasquatch goes? What I tell the people is one thing that the Bigfoot do is they do like to look in the windows. We've got a lot of reports of them looking in the windows. Another thing is they like to observe the women.

I totally stress to the women out here, do not be out in the fields by yourself because they do observe the women. Kids, they like to hear and watch the kids play because they have little ones of their own and they try to imitate their laugh, see what kind of toys are playing with. And so many kids have been missing some of their toys. Women and the children are not. the most that I stress to keep an eye on your kids.

We had one one and five-year-old girl that was out there on the farm away from the house, kind of close to the river, and she comes running back to the house and tells her grandma, Grandma, Grandma, Grandma, the monkey's out there. He wants to play with me, and the monkey's here again. She's back at therapy, apparently the same has been coming up to her, trying to come up to her and play with her. That's one thing I tell the parents is watch your kids because they may take off with your kids. They may try to lure your kids to where they're at

and they're going to snatch them to take off. You know, that has happened years ago. So I tell the people, the parents, watch your kids. If it comes to where you have washed your kids as clothes or any family member's clothes and you hang them outside and you start finding some of their clothes missing, that's a bad sign. That's not good because what they're doing is

they have gotten attached to one of your family members. It could be the daughter. It could be one of the old kids. If that ever happens, I tell them to call me right away so I can check those areas because when you come up with those clothes missing, they're saying they want that indivision. They're going to try and take them away.

So I tell them, watch out, being really careful. You know, always go outside with them. Brenda, and we had you on the show before. You were telling me about the pickup story and the children. Yeah, that we're in the pickup? Yeah, could you go ahead and retell that again for some of the people that maybe didn't hear it the first time? Because I thought that was a fascinating story, and it really will tell the listeners out there on how important it is to keep your children away from the windows

and keep an eye on them if you are having these sort of instances happen. and what they quit. Back in the 70s, actually it was an incident that had them back in the 60s, late 60s. A grandma had her grandkids in the back of the bed of her truck. They were all, you know, coming out of the mountains, and they were heading up to the trade poles to go, you know, to get up some food and stuff, whatever. And while on their way out of the mountains into an open area,

she was just driving some kids and her grandkids were sitting in the back of the bed of the truck. Grandma's just driving along and all of a sudden the kids just started screaming and she said that Grandma was like, when she just figured that they're just laughing and having a good time in the bag Well, they started yelling at the grandma Grandma, Grandma, Grandma, the monster's coming

he's coming, he's coming, and he's ready and he's getting closer and she's looking like, what are you talking about? No, Grandma, look, real good. Just saying, this thing, I don't know how fast she was going but they said she's going pretty fast This thing met right up with the truck and snagged one of the little boys out of the truck took off with the little boy back into the mountains

and the grandma was so scared and the kids were so scared of what they had seen the grandma called the cops right away and wanted to tell them what had happened and they went up and started looking they never found the boy they don't know what happened they didn't know and they were like was it a bear you know

and they're like no it's not a bear This thing ran fast to the truck, took one of the little boys, and turned out and ran back up and towards the mountains there. That happened when it was late in the 60s. Then in the 70s, another incident happened again. Pretty much the same thing. They were driving out of the mountains coming back down again, but only this time it was a little girl that was taken out of the truck. Snagged the little girl and took off with her out back out and out. to the mountains and they never found the little girl or that little boy they were never to be

found again that's a crazy story isn't it is it's a crazy story i mean i mean you know what i mean my god yeah it's scary you know it really is i remember when i was i had heard my um my my relatives down arizona that were talking about that incident and i'm like wow it did really happen people to this day, they're starting to kind of talk about that, bring that back up. Yeah, I remember that. That happened to so-and-so. I said, yeah, I said, I remember when I was young, one of my relatives was talking about that. They said, I wish it's scary.

Even to this day, it is. It's really scary still because these things watch from a distance. They watch your kids. They watch the women. I wanted to ask you another question before we let you go here. And it's something that Wes and I've been talking about. And we've actually been having, we've had several discussions with William Jevian about it. Someone with your caliber and your experience, and you've been in a lot of certain situations,

and you've seen a lot of things that a lot of people haven't. What are your thoughts on Vigfoot as far as bearing their dead? I mean, we've seen pictures online. We've on Facebook, and you can see a lot of pictures where people have taken certain pictures, and they have these stones that are piled up. and they believe at their burial site. Is that something that you've seen in New Mexico? We've been getting some reports from some of the people

that have this creature come around the place and they would leave a pile of rock. I guess it's just saying that we're here, we're around. Like this gentleman I talked with yesterday again, because they've been finding some pile of rocks packed up here and there. Then you know that they are there. Out in the mountains, they believe that where they find bigger

a sack of rocks is where they have close by may not be particularly underneath those pile of rocks but close by is where they buried one of their dead. They're dead there. You never find a body

like okay I know people know on reservation that they do die. Okay well where's the body at then? Well sometimes they had a grandma that died where's the body? Oh They don't leave the body.

They eat it. They eat their dead. And they bury the bones. So you believe Bigfoot a cannibal is what you're saying. Yeah. So you're saying that they eat their dead, and then what they do is they take, you believe that they take the bones, and then they bury them, and then they cover them with rocks or stones.

Is that what you're saying? It could be, you know, like I said, where they stack the box, it could be under there, but most of the times it's not. they pick them out from and bury them somewhere else. The stack of rods is another way of saying, hey, we're here. Oh, so you're saying it's a symbolic thing saying it's kind of a, you say it's kind of a warning measure, stay away type thing? Yes.

I see. Yep. I see. So what do you think about, so what do you think about humans? I mean, you, you've talked about them chasing horses, eating goats, livestock. Do you think, and chasing children, do you think, so you're saying that you think it's and the fact that they want to actually have a dinner or a meal as far as humans go. It could be.

It's really hard to say. I mean, why else would they want the kids? And sometimes when they find, when they go out, you know, you have a missing kid, all they find is their tennis shoes or the pants, the piece of clothing here and there. Well, where's the body at? Where's the boy or the little girl at? Nowhere to be found, period.

Maybe years on, years on later on, down the years, you get hikers sometimes that come across some skeletons. Could that be that boy or that little girl? Could be possibly. And I agree with you on that big foot. Like any other type of predatory animal is going to focus on the young and also the older the weak. I mean, they're eating target. That would make sense. That would make sense why they're after the children.

And then you hear about some older people disappearing and whatnot. If you were going to give some advice to some of the people out there that might be listening Native Americans on your reservation, as far as like the gentleman that you were talking about earlier, was it chasing the horses. And you talked a little bit about the lighting and putting food out. Is there any last words that you might say to some of these people? Would you recommend them to keep contacting the police or do you think that maybe they should, maybe get some more researchers involved and try to stop this nonsense of what's going on? I would.

The last thing that I would share with the people other than, you know, the lighting and the food and stuff and, you know, the women and children, to be careful is to always have someone be with you outside. If you have to go outside, take someone with you. Always carry a light with you. Also, take a small sidearm with you. That's what I do is I carry nine with me and I have to go outside or you should have, you know, someone there with me to go outside. As far as law enforcement, it's one thing I tell them. My first question is, did you guys call the law enforcement? Do you call the PDs?

Oh, yes, we have. But, you know, there's always a butt in there. I'm like, okay, you know, I just want to make sure they want me to come out there to investigate. I'll go. I tell the people. that if I don't care what time it is, could be 2, 3, 4 o'clock in the morning, if you need help, you call me, I will get out there. I've had calls 33 o'clock in the morning.

I'll be heading out there and I'll stay at these individuals' house for a couple of hours and I won't get home until like 6, 7 o'clock in the morning. I do this and the reason why I'm doing what I'm doing is because I do not want anybody to get hurt. I really care for the people, and I care for their safety. If I didn't care for the people, I wouldn't be out there 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning trying to want this thing out of their area. I wouldn't be out there doing that if I didn't care. If I care so much for the people, I just don't want nobody to get hurt.

For me, it's safety issue as far as all of the researchers out there that are listening to the show. I don't care how professional you are. I don't care how much money you have or all the equipment, expensive equipment you have. I don't care about all of that stuff. You're just an individual, just like me, just a normal person. Be careful out there.

Be so careful because we don't know and you don't know creatures really are capable of doing. We don't know enough about them. So be careful out there. That's what I care about. It's just the individual one-on-one basis. A human being, individual and that's what I care about. I don't want nobody to get hurt.

I got to say, you're one stand-up person, and I have a lot of respect for you, and I enjoy having me on the show. Along with that, you're one tough chick, because anybody that calls me a two or three o'clock in the morning and says I have a monster run around in my backyard. I'm probably going to take my time to get there. You know, we definitely need more people out there like you,

and it's always a pleasure talking to you. And every time you always have good things to say, and you're very positive. It's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Wes, unless you have something else, is there any other questions you have for Brenda? No, that's it. Thanks so much for Brenda for coming on.

Really do appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for having me on. And Brenda, you can touch. And if you have any updates or whatever, make sure you get a hold of your West and I. I think you have both of our number. Come back again soon. We'd love to have you.

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