Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:40 Sasquatches Circling Our Camp

Episode Date: July 14, 2014

A police officer and listener wrote us about his terrifying encounter - "Whatever it was then started circling our camp. It would hoaf at us every now and then and step on dead branches making the snapping sound. I say branches because it did not sound like a twig, more like large sticks and they did not sound like they were being pulled off a tree but being stepped on. It would also make these thuds. The kind of thing you feel more then you hear. For some reason we all started calling it a her I guess because it sounds crazy but the thing sounded like a female to us when it had screamed. It kept this up for the next three hours just circling our camp making noises that we could track it as it moved around us. After the scream from behind us I had made the fire real big and after about an hour of it circling us we started running out of the two day supply of wood we had collected so I had to get more. My oldest when telling the story of him holding the flash light for me thinks its very funny to tell how scared I was that I brought back a whole dead tree to burn in the fire. I did too, I had kept the fire raging about five feet in the air the whole time and a shotgun in my lap. By about three hours I had made a couple of runs around us and pulled back large dead trees to burn and I am not going to lie I was scared as hell with this thing circling us like it was...."   The account goes on to describe "Jibber/Chatter" and the creature returning with several other creatures. The night isn't over yet... it has barely begun...

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What are you reporting? What's going on now, sir?

That's the sort of a bitch is about six foot. Yes, I'm looking right here. Welcome to Bigfoot hotspot Radio, Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. Do you guys hear about the scientists that are dropping explosives around Mount San Hellens? I don't know if they're doing to check seismic activity or what they're doing it for,

but it made me think of, you know, possible Sasquatch in the area if they're going to be moving down south with all that blasting going on. I think it has something to do with they're checking the seismic activity around Mount San Helen. So they have all these explosions going off, and they're telling people to stay clear of the area. Yeah, I would think that kind of noise would chase most wildlife out of the area. That reminds me of, like, the I-Fi bridge here, how they set off explosives to keep all the birds away. Same type of theory, maybe, I don't know. Yeah, I think they're doing it to test something, you know, because Mount San Hellas is still active.

And if you go up there, it's always smoking and looks like it's about ready to blow it any minute. But I think it has something to do with seismic activity. But, yeah, like blowing those blasts off the birds. Yeah, they're probably checking with the, you know, what the chances are of any kind of an eruption in the near future. Yeah. It does remind you of the blasts going off, though, you know, at the bridge, you know, trying to get the birds to go away.

That could be a little unsettling that close. Yeah, especially when you're driving over the bridge, had those blasts go off. Yeah, it does. It scares the hell out of you, man. You drive across and all sounds like you hear these gunshots going. off and, you know, it's due to sort of want the birds room in the bridge,

but yeah, it scares the heck out of you. Not really on the Bigfoot subject. But anyways, the bridge, we have birds and sigils and stuff that get on the bridge and due to the feces of the birds that ruins the paint on the, our main bridge that take us over from

Washington to Oregon. It's called the IFA bridge. Every so many minutes, these blasts go off. They have these explosions on the bridge that scares the birds to keep the birds off the bridge from running the paint. So that's what that is. I wonder if that's going to mess up their regional, the way they travel in the area.

You know, some are up there right now to try and stay clear. Yeah, it could very well disrupt that pattern. Yeah. I guess they, you know, they've been flying drones over, it's legal now to fly drones everywhere. I guess in Washington. I saw a little bit about that, yeah. Yeah, in Washington State now,

it's actually illegal to fly these drones over national parks. They claim it upsets the wildlife, but I think it's for something else. So I guess they can get the, what's that, the Falcon Project? I guess they won't be doing that over here in Washington. Yeah, that's kind of a bust, isn't it?

Yeah. If the government can't look for Sasquatch, neither can the Falcon Project. Good point. The only other thing after you guys is, Kelly, a listener, Kelly sent us a question. She said,

if Sasquatch originates from possibly champs or gorillas, then where are they developing their tremendous size from? Well, there's really two possibilities on that one. Number one, my thinking is that they don't come from, there were plenty among species where a species first of them right now.

In other words, they were a lot smaller originally than they are species. Goats, that would be the other possibility. Yeah, I don't think we ever really said they originated from chips or gorillas. I think I've said they've acted like, they kind of act like chimps and gorillas.

Yeah, some of the behaviors are similar, but they're not, you know, they're not exact from either chimps or gorillas. I wanted to, I told Justin Steeley, I wanted to invite him back to the show to promote his new movie Hunting the Legend. So I wanted to welcome Justin Steeley to the show. Yeah, thanks for having me back on.

Yeah, I wanted to welcome me back and so you can promote your movie Hunting the Legend? It came out yesterday, correct? I heard the other episode that I was on. The film's called Hunting the Legend. It's a sound footage Bigfoot film in the vein of paranormal activity, the Fourth Kind, and the Blair Witch Project. It's about Bigfoot and these guys trying to go into the woods

and catch a one on film and still off the seek revenge and you can kill one because the main character's dead. vanished at the beginning of the film, and most of the film takes place five years later when he's a young adult, and he's trying to get closure, seek revenge, and, you know, prove to the world that he's not crazy, and he knows what happens is that. So basically, I just wanted to give you guys and your listeners

just one more chance to figure out, you know, find out where you can get the film and where you can watch it and stuff, and then I'll let you guys get your regular callers on because I heard tonight's going to be a really good show. I don't want to take up too much time. No, absolutely. Tell us where we can get the movie. Yeah.

So, United States and Canada already has it out at Bepi, F.I, F.I. Walmart, coconut, Barnes & Noble, Book a Million, pretty much everywhere, but Target has it. If you want to go into the store and actually get it off the shelf, I think Walmart's probably your best bet. A lot of the retailers may just direct you to their website. or have to special order it in for you. It's also available in HG or standard on iTunes and Amazon Instant. And we're kind of holding off on Netflix Instant right now, and Redbox. They want to push the hard copy sales first and then release it to those outlets later.

And our UK and Germany fans will get a chance to watch it the 21st of this month. And Australia, I believe, won't be able to jam. January 5th, but that may be wrong. It may be sooner than that. So, yeah, I'd say your best bet to go on iTunes or Amazon Instant or going to Walmart and pick it up. If anybody wants some more information about the film or how to watch it, where to watch it, just go to Facebook and search Humming the Legend or go to Facebook.com slash Hunting the Legend movie. And we also are on IMDB. And we also have an Instagram account as well. So.

Very cool, man. Well, thank you. Yeah, yeah. Thanks for having me back on. and I can't wait to hear the rest of this episode. I heard it's going to be a good one. All right, buddy. I'll be in touch. Okay, cool. What did he say about the Netflix thing?

It's not going to be available on Netflix. They're trying to push it on video sales right now. Sell and Herb copies first and then they'll go over the net. Right. Is that who I'm saying? Okay. Yeah. Then all the cheap bastards can watch it on Netflix after they didn't make their money.

Are you calling you a cheap bastard now? Oh. I didn't hear you to come out on that list? I just never going on. It's funny. Honey and legends, everyone. All right. Well, our next guest we have on the show is Robert.

One of the craziest encounters I've ever heard. It reminded me of Woody and I's encounter. I'll let him tell the story, but I wanted to welcome Robert to the show. Robert or actually just call me Bob. Bob will be good. Okay. Really appreciate you sending us your encounter. Probably one of the creepiest encounters I ever heard.

It was one of the craziest encounters I heard. It honestly reminded me of Woody and I's encounter a lot when I was reading it. We don't want to give too much information out about you, but... In law enforcement for about 10 years, and I've been in law enforcement for about 10 years now. Now, leading up to... you know or stuff and things like that as a subject. I grew up in the woods of East Texas and never thought about Bigfoot, to be honest. I moved to Colorado in the early 90s, and I hike and camp, or actually I really do survival camping,

where I, you know, and I hike out where nobody else is. I don't believe that they were in Colorado. But he got me to go back and then subsequently had more encounters. 15 and 10-year-old, and we were going to do a survival hike, you know, teach him how to build shit. 2013. I was going to teach him how to build fire and things like that. Three feet, a thousand feet on either side. Pretty steep mountains, the mountain, and found an area, you know, just kind of 30 at night.

The boys had finally crawled in the shelter, gotten there by that year or so drowned, and, you know, there was no snow whatsoever. It was a scream. So that kind of got my attention. I sat up and I was sitting there in that half-conscious state, you know, did I drain? There was another stream, a steep narrow canyon and straight across down like on the other mountain where they're coming from. And they're not exceptionally loud or anything like that. Very unusual.

So I started waking the boys up and, you know, hey, sounded like it was directed at us for some reason. And I can't put my finger around. I hear the screams, a couple of boys are getting out. And it sounded like it moved to the left. My oldest had hurt still on the other mountain. So he's kind of putting a little urgency to him, looking for his headlamp and, you know, sitting up trying to get out of the money bag. 45 seconds from the last stream on the other mountain height as we are on our mountain.

And put it best later on telling people the story. He said that it sounded like a demon-possessed woman being murdered, and it's only about 70 feet away. As best of the sleeping bag, he's throwing his pants on in mid-air and swearing like a sailor. My youngest is doing the same. I'm attention big time, so I'm confused more. I'm not thinking Bigfoot or anything like that. I'm playing, and pretty darn nervous, which is unusual for animals, at least in my experience. and got me going for a yep or doing it.

The scream is like a rage type scream or... You know, it struck me, and I think it struck my boys as well as a, like a panic scream. Like, oh, my God, kind of scream. Like an alert, yeah. A little bit later on, my son, my son, he thinks that we're on the mountain and they must nest above us. and we kind of a screen to it during the night. We actually started calling it. It came to a pretty fast too, right?

It took about 45 seconds for it to come down off the other mountain, cross the canyon. There's a Jeep trail in the canyon itself with a little creek mountain. We had actually had to come down a little ramp on. It came up about 45 seconds. I mean, it's got it. It sounded like from the last. called that it covered probably two, maybe three football fields worth of ground in the dark

and got up next to us when it did it. It screamed. It did. And each scream, it got progressively louder. And the weird thing is, is I wasn't getting any of the sense that it was getting closer because it sounded like it was moving to the left. It just sounded like it was getting louder and lowly bone-chilling. Equally loud.

It was really confused and nervous. second screen behind us, but it sounds like an animal. I mean, all those things just weren't adding up, you know, for my brain, I guess. And my son said he was fine until he looked at me, and he could tell that I was when he got scared. Our camp, and like, it was making intentional noise, like large sticks on the ground were being snapped. Would you know the difference between, like, an elk and, you know, a rabbit stepping on a twig kind of thing? And these were good, sized branches that were being snapped. It sounded like they were on the grass making these, you know, air light. I would say maybe 70, depending on, you know, where it was, if I had a lane,

70 feet sounded like snapping these large branches. They would do these hooks. I mean, because I know bands and even foxes and things like that at times can make some really weird, you know, they certainly don't have the weight that's different around us. Amp even with this going on yet, my kids automatically, they watch that show. finding Bigfoot and stuff like that. So they were automatically, it's Bigfoot, you know, right off the bat. And I guess I'm, you know, I kept trying to figure, you know, how to be, I mean, well, maybe that was a Bob, though, you know, and I just, and then who did this other thing.

And up until recently, when I just saw that Les Strout guy, I don't know if you guys have seen that, I kept hearing these, I tried to explain to people afterwards. Imagine having a few feet from me, and I dropped it on. under the ground where you feel it more than you hear it. Yeah, I kept trying to explain that, these thuds to people, but I guess less from finding Bigfoot is where you feel it more than you hear it. So we were feeling these thugs, snapping these branches and doing these thudding noises. This thing just keeps circling and circling us.

Like my oldest, he likes to kid me that I was so scared that I just started dragging back dead trees, and, you know, the biggest of anything that I could find, basically essentially cleaned out within the firelight of about 20, you know, maybe 25 feet around our little shelter that we got, you know, just kept that fire raging. Say, there's something like that, it took me a little while to realize, but it leaves. The noises weren't just nonstop. Sometimes you wouldn't have anything for five, ten minutes. and then all of a sudden you'd have two, three things happen,

and then you'd go another five minutes or something like that. There's something else that was bugging me. Until later on, and thinking about it and thinking about it, the way it was moving, at the time it was bothering me, but I couldn't figure it out that it was intentional. Look at it now to be or make the next sound. I kind of hear it moving over here. I'm tracking it.

It's moving from my right to my left. It's going to be in front, and all of a sudden, And as soon as you think, okay, it's about there, then you'd hear something behind you. There may have been more than one there. Well, at this time, I really believe that, I mean, it's possible, but I never got the sense where I heard two things from two different directions to identify, okay, there's two now or, you know, multiple. I'd never got that sense at this point. And then it left, we didn't have anything, or at least we didn't have anything for about an hour. And I really got the sense that it was gone.

And believe it or not, towards the end, the boys actually got bored and went to bed because it was just the same, you know, towards the end, they were exhausted from, you know, working and building the shelter and everything from the day hike. So they were asleep again when, I think, in the morning, I think around 4 o'clock in the morning, I, from down below, like in the canyon. And the mumbling sounds like two men walk in conversation with each other. But you can hear them, you can't make out the words, you know what I mean? Here's the mumbling from below us, so I wake up the boys.

You know, I think there's got to be big, you know, she's back as what we were calling it, started up again, except it was clear at this point there was at least two of them. And they started doing their circling around us, and they always stayed on opposite sides of each other. And it was almost like they were communicating with the sounds, like one would make the sound, so the other would make the sound. And at one point, they actually started whistling back and forth. Not a lot. It was maybe one would whistle and the other would whistle back sides of each other as they, They circled our camp.

You know, that's when all the adrenaline drained out. And, you know, that fear awake, actually. Boy, is there. That's that in my lap. I was thinking that it was gone. You know, the exhaustion set in. So when they came back, I think, with the whole experience, I just wanted to go home, to be honest.

But when they started up with their noises again, leave me alone. So I actually started yelling at them. and, you know, they would make a big noise or a big thud, and, you know, and each time, you know, the fear is still there, but it's a different kind of fear. When they would make another sound, you know, it's like, oh, you know, get on with it, you know, get the hell out of here, you know, and I started yelling. And at one point, I got really frustrated and I yelled really loud. I hear something, what sounds like something kicks off the pine tree and lands over to our left. stick. Another stick comes flying in and hits the tree. And I mean, this one hits smack in the middle of the tree. And then you hear it fall through the lens and hit the ground. And that's what sealed the deal for me because there's no other animal. And, you know, the tear and adrenaline just kicked back in. And, you know, at this point, I was really terrified because I realized I know nothing about these things. I didn't, I didn't not believe in them. But I,

I didn't necessarily believe in them either, but I certainly didn't believe with all my remote hiking experience in Colorado and stuff that I've done, I didn't believe that Bigfoot lived in Colorado. I thought people were just trying to get, you know, attention or something along those lines. And now, here I am, and I'm confronting this reality. I mean, there was so many different emotions going on at one time. It's something that people were prepared. I certainly wasn't.

I mean, I just bring a shotgun with me. More just because I'm used to, like, being in the military, being in law enforcement, I'm used to having a weapon, and it just kind of goes hand-in-hand. You got your rucksack, you got your weapon, and you move. You know, I figured I could handle anything, you know, anything that comes up. You know, I got a shot and butt shot, you know, in it, and over my head with this. I didn't know what to do or what to think, except keep the fire going and stay up. up until 9 o'clock in the morning because I wanted to make sure the sun was good and high.

I would sleep of not knowing what it does, what it's capable of, and having my voice there. Yeah, I think after about an hour or so, I really got to, you know, that fear of it's going to dash from the brush at any moment was overwhelming sense like, oh, here we go, this is about to get deadly. You know, it was more, they just would not stop. They just continued to mess with us the entire time. I can only relate to that incident because I was in one almost identical of that back in 1976. I've told it on the show before, but I'll tell it quickly. We met John Green and Renee DeHendon, you know, who interviewed me and I spent time at their camp. They wanted us to go out and keep our eyes and ears open for anything going on.

So we talked about it, and we fell in a song. So we, four of us decided to go out there, three towards the Squally River where these sounds were coming from, and picked a spot in a cedar, that's a pitcher tent. And about 10 o'clock, 1030 or so I think it was, one of the guys wanted to go to sleep. And teams of two in case something goes on. So as it happened, only one of the guys wanted to go to sleep.

So minutes later, we heard him wrestling in the tent. This was an old canvas. Trying to figure out what he was doing in there. So why just in fear, funny you guys trying to go. to pull me out of the tent. And it was a great idea, but none of us thought of it. So we were sitting there looking at each other like, what's he talking about? And I said, nobody messed with you.

What do you doing? And he says, well, I said, explain to us. He said, well, I thought you guys were trying to reach under the tent, you know, to try not to bother me from sleeping. So going through one of the packs and then all of a sudden this hand grabs my midsection and starts dragging me out of the tent. And I said, are you sure you weren't sleeping? I never went sleep I was listening to your conversation.

So I said, okay, look, if this really happened there had one of the guys toss me a flashlight, we walked around behind the tent, sure enough here were 18-inch human-like tracks in the dirt, and a big spot where a knee were something that knelt down behind the tent and reached under it. And I had him. He was a big guy, and I said, well, describe fingertips. If you haven't checked lately, none of us have a hand that big, so it wasn't. And then the screaming started. And first we heard one at some distance, maybe a quarter of a month.

a lot of tree frogs around us because it was a marshy area and we would hear them stop on one side and then another and we could tell we were being circled and then pretty soon they would stop on it and just like your situation where it wasn't constant you know we'd have you know

20 minutes or so of nothing and then this would start up again and so on and we did the same thing we built the fire up and kept it big all night and we figured there were four of them because there were two of them around circling the camp just at the fire edge, the light, and the two that were screaming.

So I think about an hour before daylight, we ran out of firewood. We were too scared to go any further to get any. And we fell asleep against the big log and figured, well, you know, if they're going to come and get us to stage. And I've heard people say, well, how could you fault? And I don't think people realize when your adrenaline finally starts waning on you, I mean, you are flat out smoked. You were just, you know, completely done.

And my biggest fear was if one of these things, if I fall asleep and one of these things reaches under our shelter, because it was just a, you know, a pine tree, you know, bush. You know, my biggest fear was one of these things reaches under. And my mummy bag, this thing could be gone. And then what do I do? Up all night with a shotgun in my lap and tended that fire and probably be over. I wanted to ask you, the mumbling that you heard, now, have you heard the Sierra sounds? Probably have, because I'm so crazy trying to find the screen.

Right. So I've heard a lot of... Well, no one was going to say. I didn't mean to cut you off. There's two CDs. So the first CD, you hear kind of this monkey chatter. And on the second CD, it's completely, completely opposite of what they have on the first CD. And I'm kind of curious, on the chatter that you heard,

was it monkey-like or did it just sound like two people? I mean, was it like a different language? What did it kind of sound like when you heard that chatter? Well, the mumbling itself nowadays, I guess they call it the salmon thing. Right. Since, and that was about five weeks ago. That was the only time that I've actually had night. It just sounded off in the distance where you couldn't distinguish any of the words.

Whereas like, rah, ro, ro, row, you know, kind of. Yeah, it sounded like if you just took two. two really deep men and they were having a conversation off in the distance, that's exactly what it sounded like. There was nothing rather than we're in the middle of nowhere, the middle of winter, it's the middle of the winter, there's nobody walking out with these two ski mountains, and there's literally one way in and one way out. You know if somebody else is in the canyon when you were there.

I mean, it sounded like to me it was just mumbling at that point. Okay. I appreciate clarifying it. I'm curious when people talk about that. It just fascinates me that mumbling that people talk about. Yeah, it literally just sounds like mumbling. Like somebody's having a conversation, you just can't make

out the words. You know, just, you know, and that's all it sounds like. Hey, Bob, what do you think about, because you made the comment, you thought the Sasquatcher Bickfoot was about 70 feet away, And you could hear the branches breaking, and from the way you explained it, it seemed like a creature that was heavy or large. And from, you know, and your experience sounds a lot kind of like less than eyes. If Bigfoot actually wanted to get us, and he could have.

But I was kind of thinking from the way that you explained your situation, do you think that possibly, and you said it was a female, do you think that maybe it was protecting a kill? or it was about dinner time for them, and they were trying to make you go away, possibly? We, for whatever reason, and I don't know if it was a female or not. That's just the sense from the tone of the scream. It sounded like a female would, I guess. We got the sense, and, you know, me and my boys talked about it extensive. I mean, that's all we talk about now is, you know, the experiences that we've had there

and the things that have happened. and especially that night, you know, right after. And we got to set babies up there and us know we got to go. That's the complete impression that we got. But there was no way I was going to try to get my boys down off that and I'm in the dark. I mean, our little shelter was going to be the Alamo. We're going anywhere, you know, and so as big as I could get it and just kept it going like that for as long as I could. The next morning, boys, you're not to leave this shelter for any reason.

If you've got to use the restroom, you just right here, right next to it. You know, you don't go anywhere. Hey, the next day. This was a two-day, say, the next night. And my boys, I could tell, I was ready to go. I was done. But my boys were, they wanted to do it again, and didn't find any tracks. It bothered me about that is there was enough snow in shaded areas potentially trying not to.

and that bothered me a lot the next day in the snow. I mean, or the next day, the next after smoke, and it didn't have the energy to do that again. Brilliant idea because my boys didn't want to go. And quite honestly, you're in adrenaline. And I did it in front of my boys. You know, it's a big idea. And again, I don't know why I listened to your show a few weeks ago.

That was a cookie bear kind of, you know, that's the impression that you get in researching them. And really have the energy to, and, you know, we could fit in there pretty common. We'll just sleep in the back of the truck and maybe they'll come, you know, see them and, you know, we'll be more protected in my thinking at the time. You know, I was thinking more like a black bear kind of mentality. Something that could have a great idea. I'm like a little night hike and walked up the Jeep trail for about 100 yards away from where my truck was parked. You know, I really much.

And so flashlight we had on. And I climbed in the back, and I was situating gear, trying to get the, get everything organized. And I just happened to look back at my oldest who was sitting on the tailgate. And he was shining the light into the woods. And I see his face just make this expression like he just saw a ghost. Instantly. And I was, what is it? What is it?

And he turns to me. He says, I just saw eyes shine. And he turns back and he goes, so I jump out and I'm like, where did you see eyes shine? And he points in a direction. And he said, well, it was orange and it was low to the ground. There was two sets. I thought his imagination was probably getting the better of them after the night we had. It was probably just some little critter, you know, eye shine.

So I just assume, I mean, I'm thinking in my head, well, big foot, eight foot tall. So he's not on the ground. You know, I'm thinking all this stuff. So I'm thinking he's just a little excited and going. And I, you know, turned to the boys. I said, do you guys really want to stay? You guys ready to go? And they were like, yeah, we're ready.

And I was like, oh, thank God. They finally came over to my side. So I told them to get in the cab. The rest of the gear in the back. And so they jumped in the cab. And as I'm standing there, and when he saw the eye shine, as I'm facing the back of my truck, it's over my right. I hear the deepest where he pointed.

at. I tell him, you shine the flash while I, you know, I just did this world record, throw everything in the back of the tree, you know, with one hand, because I never left the shotgun alone. And we got out of there. But it wasn't until I got home, and he started telling my wife the story that he said, yeah, and I saw the eye shine from us. I didn't realize that at the time, thank God, because I don't know what I would have done. I probably would have done something really stupid and crazy. But yeah, and we've gone back. Showed me exactly where he saw the eyes shine.

I think if I saw that. But he said it was low to the grass. I got the impression later on researching this that they were saying it's so loud. But by far, I think I've ever hoped. After that, we jumped in the truck and we just looked at. I mean, I did as fast as I

could possibly go without carrying the tires off the truck. You know, I think about it. That was a year and a half ago. Before I listen to your show, maybe three weeks ago, dreaded that. Sinking up and mess with that to see them. After hearing your show, I realized this could have we left when we did as opposed to trying to stick it out another night.

Have you gone up since then, Bob? Have you gone up to check out the area? I mean, have you had anything happen since you've gone back up? Yeah, actually, they have and done some, I hate to use the word regular basis, because that sounds like, oh, yeah, we schedule it, you know, kind of thing. Go into the canyon, and they will interact in one way or another. Sometimes they threw rock. They were even there until my buddies.

I was excited, and, you know, everybody was like, okay. You know, I didn't get the response that I thought I was going to get from my friends. So we planned to actually have an incident where down the Jeep trail, we were coming back up. They put a log, about a four-foot log, about maybe. a foot and a half in the middle of the Jeep trail right behind us.

And it comes 40 yards away because it was right at the edge of a little clearing. I mean, it literally walked down and 30 seconds later we turn around and start coming back up. Gone from that area, maybe 3, 4 minutes, and there's this log.

And then we found... And the snow on the ground. This is still like the end of February of 13th. team, us being these newly big step right in them to demonstrate how wide the strides. We pretty much destroyed any evidence right. So they did that, and then that night where you hear it walk up behind camcorder,

and then you hear it breathe, and then you hear it walk, and they're on more trackway. The other thing, the night that I guess I call it, that was five weeks ago, and I was with one of those guys that went with me. We all just started going, big footing, I guess you call it. We were horse playing at the tree structure, and we wound up building this monstrosity of a tree structure next to theirs. Not intentional. It started out by accident.

I leaned on a tree and it fell across another one, and I was like, oh, look at tree structure. And then, you know, it just lit from there. We were just kind of goofing up. that they came down off the mountain and they did that, you know, that samurai, but they yelled it at us, and then they were gone. What's it like this? They got real loud at the end of it.

It was like, oh, at the end. But it was exactly, you know, we've gone up there and did this tree structure and we're being stupid or huggy bear kind of stuff. So we've been doing probably everything wrong, leaving food, and, you know, all kinds of ways once fixed. My wife, I mean, I haven't had something major happen because I've given them every opportunity. Create an issue or make me disappear. But that was exactly what we heard, but I'm just not good at, like, trying to soak her out so you could hear the first part

because it started and it got louder at the end, and then they were gone. Three days later, and it looked like it, I mean, it was completely flattened, not even a twig was standing up. They didn't break it. They just completely flattened it. Yeah. Intentionally build a tree structure to provoke them or anything, it really just turned into we were being stupid. They're seeing it.

Maybe these things aren't, you know, really tall, wookies lock and our structures that they actually had built. I would say it was them that did it. In this area, you've got large coal pines, and they're probably 30, 40 feet tall, and maybe, you know, five inches in diameter, and they take them and they bend them completely over into a U and shove the other end into the ground. And you guys have seen Lodgepull Pines. They don't get top-heavy with snow and things like that.

So I could see occasionally the wind, snow, would kind of bend them a little, but these things are bent into U's and shoved into the ground. And then they, of course, they'll lead stuff on it. over that, but I mean, you're talking 40-foot trees. I think if I could, four of my biggest buddies and tied a rope to the top of it, we might be able to duplicate it, you know, pulling these trees down. One thing I find interesting to you guys is, you know, Bob has been trained and, you know, he's in the military and in law enforcement, stuff like that.

He's been trained to assess certain situations, and he's been trained in how to use a gun and certain weapons. And you made the comment earlier, Bob, about feeling like a coward. Well, you're not alone. We all kind of felt like a coward, you know, half of us, too. We're all pretty big guys. One thing I wanted to ask you is, how has this changed your life? Do you look at things a little differently now?

I mean, having this happened to you? It's actually changed my life, for the most part, in a negative way. I can go in remote areas and do, like, survival, you know, just live with a poncho and, you know, go out to the woods by myself. That was my get away from humanity, my Zen time, you know, and I loved it going on a day hikes out by myself. I out through the wilderness anymore because I'm aware these things do exist. That's a scary proposition for me.

You know, for years in Colorado, the worst I had to worry about was a mountain lion or a and the probability of those things were slim to done if you were doing the right things and, you know, just being in wilderness, the probability of anything bad happening with an animal is really slim. With these things, that they do exist, and that's got me, that's really changing. I mean, I've become a squatter. My wife hates it because that's all kinds of money, the night vision and, you know, doing. silly stuff to try to see one of these things. And I've seen a flash of fur one time, but I haven't actually really seen one. And...

Careful what we're supposed to. When I had emailed you guys, I'd only listen to maybe like four episodes on YouTube. And so I sent you guys an email thinking, wow, maybe you guys could really help me because I got this ongoing situation and I don't know what to do with it. But I keep going back there, and my wife hates it because, like, hate. You'd like people to go with me because I'm just far too scared to go by myself. So it's, you know, but it's this mystery and quite frankly that adrenaline, that excitement, that fear.

It's kind of addictive. And, you know, so I love going and trying to see what happens next. I'll send you some things to watch for. Yeah, I don't blame you, Bob. I mean, I understand exactly how you feel. You know, as far as wanting, you almost become addicted to it. It's almost like a drug once you have an experience. It's like, God, I just want to go back up.

I want to see one again. That's how Woody was for the longest time. He just wanted to see one again. It took me a little bit longer to get there. But I understand how you feel. As far as as advice, I mean, I don't blame me for wanting to go back up there, like every free chance you get. I would just try and be as safe as you can going back up. Definitely, for me, I'd carry a firearm.

Shotgun, I'd load that thing with slugs and buckshots, and just in case you need it. I think that night that you... They'll never go alone and don't get separated. I think that night that you... And one thing I would advise to is to stay out of their feeding areas at night. You can go through during the daytime and they're up in their high area. Yeah, I wouldn't. Honestly, I wouldn't even know where their feeding areas were.

What we wind up doing is we just set up a camp in the canyon. I've never seen any wildlife in the canyon. It's really weird. But we'll usually set up camp and just sit around the fire and wait for them to come kind of do something. I mean, that's really kind of the extent of our big foot. And more often than not, they don't disappoint for whatever reason. And I actually get the sense, no absolutely nothing,

and I could be way off. but I actually get the sense that they recognize my truck and they know who it is. And so they'll do different things to me. Just to give you like a quick one night during the day, and I was looking, trying to think, well, if I was in the military, you know, put surveillance on this campsite, where would I? And so I kind of found this one spot and I thought, man, this would be perk. They had yelled at us with the samurai.

where he yelled from or she or I say he and she because it sounded like a male that time. I heard this term from somewhere, but how strategic they really are. And they're moving in. And they definitely notice like any change in their environment because I've tried to put like my audio recorder, you know, just as I'm walking, I just kind of drop it onto a little branch or something. You know, they find it. They'll come and they'll throw stuff out of it or, you know, you'll hear them. them creep up, look at it, you know, and kind of move on.

And so you can't, there's no way that you can, I mean, they do make mistakes. They're animals. They're natural. But they are definitely strategic and very skilled in the woods. That's for sure. That's one thing that I have learned about them. But, yeah, I mean, there's just been so much that's gone on. Since then, I probably can't a night, like a year and a half time.

I probably camp there like 40 times. chance I get instead of going and doing what I used to enjoy and stuff. Now I'm stuck in this canyon. Now how often are you going up there? I try to go at least once a month, but usually I wind up going, I usually go at least for a day hike and a camping trip at least once a month. Now, have you gone over to the other ridge where you heard the female coming from during the day? Have you gone over to the other ridge side? Well, these two mountains that create this canyon,

they literally jet from the canyon floor like 2,000 feet. I've climbed to Steve to really difficulties is finding somebody to go with me and do these kind of hikes and stuff like that. A lot of people just aren't into that kind of, you know, really steep mountain like that. So it sounds like an abandoned campsite up there that just doesn't make stealing stuff from people's camps and just dropping them off there

because it was just a really... I don't know what to make of it, but really odd I don't. We came across it. It kind of almost was like a crime scene because stuff was scattered everywhere, but there was no tent, but there was cross-country ski, two sets of cross-country skis, one set of ski poles, and there was three different types of clothing. There were kids' clothing and, like, a woman's clothing, and a man's clothing. And, you know, everything was strewn about.

There was a bunch of medicine bottles, camping containers, like those plastic things. This is a steep hill. I don't know where or why somebody would drag that stuff up there to begin with, but then it was just all in this one area. And I would say it's been there for several years of people in that area. I don't research that. I do know that off of this area, the dirt road to get to the Jeep Trail. to get to this area, supposed to be haunted. Miners, you know, going back to the minor days, you know, said that this area was haunted.

So I wondered when I read it was haunted because it had something to do with Bigfoot being there. Like I said, there was no tent and there was no, like, sleeping backs, just laid, you know, strewing. What did your son say? He thought they were jacking stuff? Yeah, he said, because I was. try to figure out, okay, if it was a bad storm that drove people off the mountain, and they had two sets of skis, and they come back, you know, maybe it was, they got scared, and they just didn't come back, and they just grabbed what they could. And he was looking at the stuff, too, and he said, well, weird, though, because this doesn't make sense. Why would you have, like, these medicine bottles, and there's, like, a bunch of them.

different types of medicines and different pouches, little stuff, a lot of little stuff. Like one pouch, and, you know, and it was just a pouch like you would clip on your belt or something. You know, a bunch of little stuff like that in the clothing. And he said, well, what if they're, you know, sneaking into people's camps or whatever and just kind of taking something and bringing it up here? And then I thought, because I can't make heads or tails of this been abandoned. Yeah, Sasquatch is not only a thief. he's got a prescription medicine problem.

Yeah, exactly. All the medication was still in the bottles, though. He didn't open on me. But, yeah, it's just really weird stuff like that. I can't say it was Bigfoot because there wasn't anything that was obvious where it, like, twisted the tree or anything like that. ...the of each other, and it's only about six foot high, you know, so it's not, you know, people or anything like that,

but all the way around it in a 360 year. That's interesting that you found that. Yeah, you wonder what did it. Yeah, and like I said, I don't know. You know, I get the big footer now, but I'm probably like the world's worst big footer. And, you know, one of my main goals for contacting you guys was to say, hey, I got this site there all the time. And do you know anybody that would, where there are no bull? You kind of turn this over to wind up probably just mess.

this whole thing up. I contacted the BRFO or BS or I want to go. I don't know if I would really pass it off, Bob. I mean, keep it for yourself. I mean, I would go in there. The thing about this field is there are no experts, and 99.9% of everyone doesn't really know what the hell they're doing. Everyone just kind of learns on the fly.

And so anyone that's going to come in and say, well, I know we know what this area is. we know what to do here. It's all BS because no one really knows. Yeah, they're full of it anyway. And we can help you, you know. Yeah, we can help you. I mean, if there's people that you want to go out in the area with,

we can definitely find people for you to go out in the area. I wouldn't just hand it over to BFRO or to any researcher out there, say, I got a site. I want to hand over to you. Well, I was, yeah, I mean, I didn't want to just go, hey, there it is. You know, I wanted to, I was kind of hoping to find, like, maybe a, So I don't know what I was thinking, but, you know, just somebody that is, I guess, serious.

Yeah, to go out to that is serious about it. Because I feel like a lot of times that I'm doing things wrong and, you know, like that stupid tree structure incident, that could have been something where the missing person or something and, you know, I'm making these mistakes. And they're kind of calling me on it, to be honest, as well. what they're doing. I had mentioned in my email, like, one time, I can't with my dad there. My father anymore, you know, with work schedules and life and stuff, he just doesn't get out like he used to.

So it had been years, probably since I was a kid. Heck with Bigfoot, let's just have fun, and he wanted to play some music, and the next thing, you know, one thing went to another, and we're, I mean, just went to bed, didn't think, you know, I thought, well, we scared them away. They're probably, you know, a million miles away from us and went to bed and I was a heavy sleeper that night with a little indulgence. And sightseed from my head was my truck. It sounded like it hits your truck. And so I went through the audio and sure enough they'd come up or something came up and it sounded like.

How far are you from Castle Rock? Well, this was, yeah, I'm the. location is in the, like, Peak. Woody and I got family over there. Maybe we should play out there. Woody, go out with Bob. I know, Bob, you're in law enforcement.

I got some speeding tickets. Maybe you can help me out with, and I'll help you out of this big foot type. In Colorado and Wyoming, by the way. You guys get around. Well, you know, on that note, I could probably not do much. Yeah, I don't think Woody's actually allowed.

in the state of Wyoming anymore. Oh, there we go. That has nothing. That's all right. They bought for cool, right? Yeah, I'll take care of you guys when you come. So, you know what? And all, you know, if you guys ever get this way, you'd let me know.

We'll go out there. And, I mean, if we went out there for three days, I guarantee you something would happen. I mean, it's just a way, you know, and I can. completely by accident. I know there's Bigfoot researchers that have probably spent decades trying to have an experience like I've got. And here I am, Johnny Nobody that stumbled across this location, and they're there. It's usually the way it happens. Yeah, I'm sure.

You know, it's always the guy who doesn't know what you're doing that gets the goals and, you know, everybody else is working, putting in their time and, you know, have little to show for it. I wanted to, you know, try to find somebody to go, hey, look, this is what's really going on. You know, some information. I just don't know what to do with it. Well, let me do this, Bob. I'll contact you after the show. We might be able to make some sort of arrangements.

If nothing else, I'll see if I can't find someone in your area. But it'd be pretty cool if we could fly out and check the area out ourselves. Man, that would be fantastic. That would just make my time. You know, I heard one of your episodes talking about, doing a show out in the field. Come on out, do it out there, man. You're almost...

Yeah, you read my mind. That would be great. So I'll do it up, man. I'll buy all the stakes and we'll have a good time of it. Yeah, it sounds good. Yeah, I'll contact you after the show, Bob, but I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing it. It was probably one of the best stories I've heard so far.

Thank you for having me, and thank you for giving me your time. and please, if you guys got anything that you can help me with, I just want to learn and, you know, not get myself killed in the prop. I'll send you a whole bunch of stuff, but I've got to try to find somebody that fixed-pudically challenged. Get that fix. I'll send you guys some pictures and video and all kinds of audio and stuff so you guys could see what I got going on out here.

Yeah, definitely. And keep in touch and we'll be in touch with you, Bob. Sounds great. Thank you guys so much. all right buddy you have a good night all right you too thank you and you guys the same thing and you've got something like that around

you and you don't know what you're dealing with it really kind of reminded me also of our encounter you and I of being surrounded having one on one on one end and one on the other and I'm sure I didn't get I didn't get a chance to ask him but I'm sure he probably thought that at that time whatever size shotgun

yeah probably wasn't enough and another thing I kind of wanted to ask him that he's gone now, but another thing I wanted to ask him, too, it's a simple question, but I'd like to ask a lot of people, because when he said he kept stoking the fire and making the fire bigger and bigger and bigger, I wonder if that really helps, what you guys think? Do you think does that actually really get in the way?

It made us feel at least safer. You know, we kept doing it too. We built it up huge. I guess it did make us feel safer, you know, because you think animals aren't going to come up to fire. I wonder if it's more of a comfort thing for you, or does it more, do you also think that it, scares Bigfoot away? Do you think they're afraid of fire at all?

Well, you know, I've heard accounts of them coming right up to Fulability. That's what I think, too. I don't know personally that one night I was ready to, you know, one would a little napalm coming at you. That's right. That's right. Catch your hairy ass on fire. No, it was a really good account. In fact, I think it was one of the better ones, you know,

kept my attention the whole time. And, you know, it was an honest account, you know what I mean? Yeah, I could picture everything that he was trying to describe, and I felt like I was there with him, you know, through the whole thing. So, awesome. It was an awesome interview. Yeah, it's always a real enforcement, you know, in fact, the trained observers. And I know you guys all think it was jokes,

but I really do have speeding ticket issues in Colorado and Wyoming I need to help with. You're not alone on that, remember? Well, you can't tell it when we're in Colorado. Yeah. We'll tell a story another time. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

We had some issues of the law there, but we'll tell that another time. Yeah. Let's just say those Wyoming cops and Mustangs, you don't think they can catch you. They can catch you. Oh, they can catch you. Not only once, but they'll catch you twice. Oh, oh. Yeah.

Uh-oh. What you're trying to say what you were? Yeah. Oh, we just took turns. He'd get his team ticket when I'd get mine and then, you know, my other brother was in mine. Yeah. It was a trip, if you want to do we call it? Can, uh, I don't know if I can error it.

What do we call it? Yeah, I can't stay it on there. Was there? No, anyway. Yeah. Anyway, we took turns on getting speeding tickets. left and right. The cops, they weren't too happy with us.

It was all fun in games until we got the final bill. But we'll tell that story another time. From all of us here is to Sask Clutch Chronicles. We want to thank all our guests tonight and also extend gratitude to all our listeners. Thank you and have a good night. That sounded so professional. He did, didn't. Yeah.

Yeah. Usually I'm like, bye. I just play the music. Wes is usually like, I'm headed to the hot tub with a beer. Usually hear a beer open up in the background, you're like, hey, Wes, are you there? Are you there? I click the music on it. Ten minutes and I have no idea.

Will and I are sitting there talking and we're like, well, Wes is awful quiet. He must be gone. Anyway, where's my music? Above and beyond, I was hit by a tire in the front end of my car. and got a substantial amount of damage. I could not believe how fast everything was taken care of. USAA was amazing. See how much you could say it with USAA.

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