Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:41 Deathbed Confession - "I shot Sasquatch"

Episode Date: July 18, 2014

In this episode we will be speaking to a listener who tells a story about law enforcement and government officials killing Sasquatch from helicopters in the Dakotas. In this story he shares what he saw in the photos and the audio he heard from the kill site. This was a deathbed confession from a former law enforcement official that needed to get this incident off of his chest before he left this earth. This is an amazing bigfoot encounter story you will not want to miss...

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What are you reporting? What's going on now, sir?

That's the son of a bitch is about six foot. Yes, I'm looking right here. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Radio, Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. Well, it looks like Woody and I were invited to the Beachfoot, the 2014 Beachfoot, on July 24th through the 27th. So I'm pretty excited about going. I've never been, I guess, I think Todd Ness actually puts it on.

The guy from the American Primate Association, he puts it on, he sent us the invite, asked us if we'd come down, and so I'm pretty excited about going. You know, I think it'll be good times. Yeah, I think it's going to be fun. I think when is that? Is that next weekend? Yeah, next weekend. Yeah.

I think it'll be fun. We'll go out there and, you know, be able to talk to some people that are all interested in the same topic. Well, it might be some good info out there. Be a good time. See, Bad Will's in California. He got the invite, too, and I know he's kind of stuck where he's at.

It'd be nice to have him come, too. Yeah, I think it's just a little bit tight right now, so maybe next time. Yeah, it would be a blast to have you out there I was thinking we could set up a little mobile podcasting station out there and maybe we'll do the show from out there Maybe we'll see if we can't get an uplink to Will

Get him involved on it too, you know what I mean? Yeah, it'd be fun, I mean, you know, get some live discussion going Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to it I think it's a good idea The first guest tonight, this guy contacted me and he's got a hell of the story. I was going to just kind of retell it, but I begged him to come on and tell the story.

And I don't want to give too much away. I want to have him tell the story and hear what you guys have to say on it, but I wanted to invite Scott to the show. Hey, Scott, it's Wes. How are you? Pretty good, Wes, pretty good. Hey, I got Will and Woody on the phone.

Woody hasn't heard the story. I told Will a little bit about it, but I wanted to go ahead and give you the mic and let you take it away and tell us the story about the guy that you met a couple years back. Growing up, I went on a church mission for my church. It was a two-year mission, and we were in set to two, two missionaries. I served my mission in Sacramento, California. And while I was there, a lot of our time was just knocking on doors and sharing a message.

One of the men that we came to, we knocked on his door, and he led us in. It wasn't a really good help. We shared a message with him. While we were in his house, we noticed that he had deer and elk mounts on his wall and a big lake trout. And so after our message, my companion, he was from Montana, and he loved to hunting fish. And I was from Idaho, and I loved to hunting fish. So, of course, our conversation drifted towards hunting. Had some good stories.

We came back two more times to gentlemen. We set up appointments and came back. He let us come back in. And each time we came back in, we'd give our little spiritual thought, but then we'd go right back to hunting. On the third time that we were at his house, my companion was telling him, you know, I like hunting alone. He goes, I like being out there.

I get to see more animals. And so William, this is a man's name. His name was William. I won't tell you his last name. But William said, you know, you shouldn't be out there hunting alone. It's just not safe. There's things out there that we just need to be left alone. And my companion without even saying a word that, oh, you mean Sasquatch?

And Williams kind of went blank for a second. He goes, yeah, things like that. Well, it didn't go any further than that. We left that day. And I, of course, I wanted to know with my companion how we met Zasquatch and said, well, my brothers and my dad were heading up hunting, and one crossed the rest. road. And I thought, wow, that's really cool. So he told me that story. And anyhow, the animal crossed the road and went up and jumped into a wash. We call them washes. It's where water

comes down a mountain and cuts out a pretty deep ravine, and it went and jumped in one of these. And they had no intention of following it. But he was neat to hear his story. Well, we went back to meet with William a couple days later. His landlord said that he was in the hospital. He was sick with, I guess, can you think of it? Amphazema. Amphosema. Thank you. You know, Wes.

He was sick with emphysema. So we were like, oh, great. Well, we left a phone number, and a couple days later, William called us, said, hey, listen, I'm home from the hospital. Come on over. I want to visit with you boys. And so we went over. And when we got there, he said, I really don't want to hear a spiritual message today. He says, there's some things that have been on my, my mom.

mind that have happened to me throughout my life and I just kind of want to clear him up. And I took it as okay, kind of a deathbed confession because from the looks of him, he wasn't doing very well. And we didn't know what to expect. We didn't know what he was going to tell us. But he started in on this. He said this happened back in 71. He said he was a sheriff officer in the Dakota.

He didn't say whether it was North or South Dakota. And he said him and his deputies were approached by an agency of the government to eventually kill one of these animals. William had told us also that these creatures had been kind of a menace in that area. The government decided, I guess, I'm going to do something about it. But William said it didn't really say a lot of details. He told us that later that a lot of that stuff, he was going to just take to his grave with him. but he had to get some of this off of his mind. But going on with the story, he said the government, or I'm sorry, not the government,

don't let me use that word, the agency, let's use that word, had already been monitoring these creatures. They were living in a canyon. How the whole thing kind of got going is they had been monitoring, and they were going to go ahead and do the project of taking one of these animals are one of these creatures. And William said it was our responsibility to do the shooting. He said, we were in a four-man helicopter, and when they got there, well, they already knew the plan,

but two other helicopters, smaller, two-man helicopters, had already been pushing these creatures out of the canyon. Well, things didn't do as planned. The creatures split, went up out of a canyon, both sides, and they did have a female, which we found out later was a female, She did exactly like was planned. She went right down the canyon, and they had what I guess they called a bait station. I'll explain that a little bit later. But the female was pushed down the canyon, backing up a little bit.

When we got there, William had a small box inside that box. He had a cassette, and he had some pictures. He kept this from the agency, unknown by the agency, but I'll tell you that part later too. So anyhow, he had pictures, he had an audio. I'll kind of use both of them as I play this out, because that's what he did with us, except for we had the information in front of us. He said that as they pushed the female down the canyon, she eventually come out in a clearing,

and it was a small clearing where they had the bait station. And he took one photo, and it's the very first photo, and he had to actually point me where the creature was. was the big foot. I said, oh, okay, that's worth that. The next picture I see, she is walking, but there is a youngster behind her. It's probably about, well, I didn't know how tall it was. William said it was about three foot tall. So it wasn't a baby, but it wasn't, it was still a youngster. And it was following pretty close behind her in the picture. The bait station was something I'd never heard of and never seen,

and thanks to West, he finally helped me figure it out. They had a oval-shaped tree, pretty large tree, and then this tree were cereal boxes. And I just kind of figured out the cereal boxes. I knew it was cereal boxes, because in one of the pictures it showed a cornflakes box, and I think another one was an apple jack's box, and they were situated all over this tree

that looked like a round Christmas tree. about four of the photos, the pictures that he showed us, so the animal, annoyed by the two helicopters. Only in one of the pictures, actually, if she's coming out of the canyon, do you actually see the bottom skids or the landing gear of the helicopters, so you kind of know the other helicopters are there, but they were swinging around and keeping her going towards the bait station. We didn't really get any good look at her,

just to make note here, I couldn't tell how big she was. I mean, I guess she had white shoulders, but when you're taking pictures from the air, the size all of go, you don't have anything to judge the size on. If you're on ground level, you can say, oh, yeah, this is big as that tree

or as fat as that tree, but when you're in the air, it's pointed at the ground and you don't have anything to judge the size off it. So I can just say that it was a hairy creature. At this point, he played the video, or not the video, but didn't have any video, the cassette tape. And the first three minutes, all you heard was the helicopter blade, which is really kind of annoying.

Then you hear William say, are you loaded? You can hear that distinctly, and someone else, his deputy, which was his deputy, said, yes. And then he responds, proceed forward. At this point, William said, I threw the, uh, um, um, A rope ladder out of the helicopter. This is where the other, I want to say four pictures, but I think it was five pictures came into play. He was able to snap off because now the creature had turned around. I guess I got a back up here.

I got a back way up. I didn't think about the baby. After the first photo, well, I guess after the second photo, the second photo you see her and her young. Well, William told me that right after they snapped that picture, she guarded and she started. She darted into a thicket. And, of course, the helicopters went and chased her out of this thicket. Well, when she emerged from the thicket, there was only one of them. That was just her, and she hid her young.

Anyhow, getting back to the point where I was at, they took several pictures. All of the pictures, by the way, are clear pictures. None of them are fuzzy or what I see on the Internet. These are all clear, the same pictures of the creature. The four pictures that were taken are five pictures that were taken, where she's actually looking up at the helicopter. She's got her arms up. The wind and the turbulence from the helicopter is making her kind of shield the wind.

You can tell from the grass around where she's at that it's just matted down because of the wind and her hair. You can tell from the pictures that it's kind of matted down, like her head and stuff. Just to kind of let you know the state that she was in, she was stressed. I mean, she was disoriented, I would say, confused, really stressed at what was going on, and I can see why. She had her hands up. I told Wes, I noticed the inside of the hands on the picture. It kind of looked like she put her hands in dirt, kind of a grayish black or something, grayish color.

But we got really good descriptions of her face. West kind of asked me about the face and I said well around the eyes and the nose and I do believe between the nose and the lip there was no hair the hair was right above the eyebrows and got thicker that went up

towards the top she did kind of have I guess a tone-shaped head the head set right on the shoulders no neck the eyes were big there were black there was no white to the eyes just black eyes she had a flat nose she had a big mouth, and almost every picture that was taken, her mouth was open.

But because of the helicopter and maybe because of the condition she was in, her mouth was cocked kind of sideways. It wasn't just open. It was kind of like she was, I would even look at one of the pictures and say she was growling, had the helicopter grip, blade, not been going. She looked like she was like really ticked off. And that's just kind of give you a description. Her color was, I would say, almost a black brown in the photos that didn't, I guess it's kind of glistening hair, but the helicopter kind of had it matted down.

But anyhow, he throws the rope ladder, and this is where the picture stops. And the audio keeps going. We listen. What he told me is that his deputy climbed down the ladder. when he got near the bottom rung, he reached up to the step just above him, leaped his hand up and over the second step that was above that and pulled his arm down, so it really just kind of locked him in. I think he did this for his safety in case he slipped off the ladder.

He had with him a high-power rifle. He was using a 30-0-6. I was wondering if a 30-0-6 was a powerful enough gun. I use a 7-mag when I hunt, and I probably would have used a 3-8-6. 300 or maybe a 50 grain or something, but he had a 30-06. And I climbed down the ladder. At this point, William's just telling us a story now. We don't have any more pictures.

And he says that he took aim. She still had her hands in the air and shot her point blank right in the chest. So at this point, William has slowed down a little bit. He's probably the emotion that he's emotional at this point. And this is the part that's really probably bugging in his life. And I was at that point wishing I hadn't heard the story. I was like, holy cow. I mean, after looking at these pictures, how could anyone shoot this thing?

I told Wes earlier, I said, you know, this thing looked human in the face, but animal on the body. Had an animal body, I would say more animalistic, but his face was more humanistic. He shot her, and as soon as he shot her, she let out his scream. blood curdling scream. And it lasted about seven seconds. And seven seconds don't seem long, but on the audio, it seemed like a long time. And the scream was just hideous. I mean, it is a painful, awful scream.

It even had a, I would call it a gurgle scream. A little bit of a gurgle scream to it. You had to listen to it to hear it, but it just sounded awful. He said as soon as that scream was done, she left and took off towards the canyon. And he said that first foot that pushed off her first foot, he said, I bet she traveled eight to ten yards. And I thought, wow. And he said the second foot, he said it looked just like a long jump jumper as it's getting ready to leap off. He said, each foot pushed itself further.

And he said, she just flew up the canyon. Of course we're listening to the audio And also we hear another gunshot And we're like, ah, did you shoot her? He said no He said at this point after she took off Her young immediately tried to follow As soon as it got out of the bushes

It got disoriented with the helicopters Immediately just stopped And he said they swung their helicopter over And he loaded another chambered another shell And they just shot it right in the head And killed it instantly pretty traumatic hearing his story on it and I just

couldn't believe the ethics on it. It's just totally wrong. As soon as that shot was taken, their helicopter was motioned to go back to base. And he said we had to get our gunman, his deputy back

in the helicopter, so they flung out about 60 yards. He said, while he was climbing back in the chopper, he said they moved quick. They had to chop one of their choppers on the ground loading the body into a burlap sac, putting it into a net, hooked underneath the helicopter, and they were off. And he went back, and that was basically all. He told us, my companion, then asked him, what happened to the female?

Did you ever get her? And he just flat out said, I won't go into that. I'm not going to cover what happened there. Putting that together, I've listened to every one of your gadget shows. And I kind of thought, you know, probably what happened is she ran up, that canyon expired, seeing that she took almost a point blank right to the chest. And maybe they had a run-in with the others trying to come back and get her. And I thought, maybe they did more shooting that we don't even know about.

I don't know. I'm just putting some pieces together. But anyhow, he warned us at the end of this. He goes, I'm taking a lot of this to my grave. He just said, it's probably why it's for you guys not to say too much about this. He says, I don't want anything to see happen to you. He actually acquired the camera and the cassette tape. He had it hidden in his lunchbox.

They never checked his lunchbox. He said he was put under oath that he would not say anything to anybody. He said, other than us, too, he had never revealed this. And I told Wes on the phone that I had never told my family or friends or my own personal family. I haven't told me anybody. he was the first one I talked to but really on the mission I was on I had so much going on that in a couple days I pretty much just put it in the back of my mind and chalked it up for something I wish I hadn't heard but maybe I'd research later and of course research and stuff like

I shouldn't find anything up in Dakota's so that's basically the story guys that's uh that's a lot to take in I'm still kind of just sitting here thinking of thinking over the whole whole thing how it played out and what happened. I don't know what to say right now. Yeah, it's kind of a wow story. I believe everything he had to say. I'm just kind of like, wow. A lot of questions were unanswered, you know, a lot of questions.

Why did they have them as the shooters? Who was the agency? He didn't say anything. He kept a lot of that from. He told us the events that happened, everything else, how it all planned out, who we talked to, So that was all kept from us. When West told me earlier, it made me think of

he had related to me, and he did relate to me, that in charge of that region, that the, so I'll have to constantly could very well be. Back at that time in my life, very little was, even to my knowledge on the Bigfoot creature, how it looked, or that. I'd had a couple experiences in my life that led me to believe that they were real.

There were real creatures out there, we just kind of left them alone. But at that point in my life, I just really didn't know much. All I know was after later in my life I did a lot of research and found out there are not very many sightings in the Dakotas. And they found a whole family group living there. So I don't know where it was, South Dakota, North Dakota, where it was, but they found a family and I guess they were in trouble.

And I really thought, and after the whole story was done, I really thought they were just trying to prove the creatures were. real, you know? That's what the whole thing was about. I took my mission from 84 to 86 and it was that summer and I went, let's see.

So it was 85. It was March. I didn't look it up. I have it in my journal. All I put was William Bigfoot and that's all I wrote. I already know the stories. So I said, because I went back

and I researched. I wanted to find to tell you guys. We contacted them on March 3rd. of 1985. And so, like I said, he was not in good shape. We did see him two more times after that, at which point we always looked at the pictures. He let us have at the pictures and listen to the recording,

although I didn't like the recording. That was very disturbing to me, but the pictures were interesting. Lots of detail. We said these pictures were nice and clear. But after that, second time after, he went back to the hospital, and he never got out of the hospital.

No idea what happened to the pictures. Yeah, well, I have no idea. I had no idea. He would not let us, because my companion was like, hey, will you let us borrow these? I got somebody I want to show, you know. We had a hunter in our, you know, one of the religious groups down there that he was a big hunter, and he wanted to show him, he said, no, no, he was not hip on letting anything go.

So he kept it. He was in a little shoebox, and he had other paperwork in there, too, but he never said. You just show us the cassette tape and the pictures. You know, Scott, it's fascinating. The whole story is fascinating. It's funny, Woody and Will's response to it was just like my response, you know. I know when you and I spoke the other day on the phone, you were probably thinking, Man, I forget that I hear talk all the time.

You have nothing to say. And I was just, I could just, the whole story, I could just play it in my mind and see what's going on. And just in shock over the whole story, you know, just, Makes you wonder what those creatures did for them to pull the trigger. What do you think, Will? Well, if it's the same account, Mr. Black was mentioned, and I believe he said there were some people killed as well, or something to that effect. And it was a situation where they had to go in and around.

C.S. was the one that told me that they, that's why they were, because I thought they were just trying to find out they're real or not. I thought, that government cover up. They already know they're real. That's what I thought all along. But West said that actually when things like this happen, it's because they've actually had people come up missing, and they don't want to have a big scene.

So that's why the government does what it does and goes in and cleans them up so that everything stays nice and quiet. And I thought, oh, I never thought about that. That's cool, you know, because he had brought a lot of stuff to my attention, just visiting with West, a lot of stuff that, I mean, West didn't even attest. I was like, I didn't want you guys to air this. I was like, I don't want you to air this. I just wanted to kind of clear my head of this, you know.

I'm listening to you guys long enough that I really enjoy your shows. You guys are the real thing, and you're not out there to try. Some of these other things I've heard are just a joke, and you're not a joke. You're the real thing. That's why I want to bring my experience. I wasn't expecting him to go live with it, but I guess you are, and that's it. That was the story. No, I appreciate it.

You know, and it's like I said, usually there's, I mean, I just don't see them blasting them for no reason. If they did, that's a shame. if they are doing it for another reason you know no one wants to see any animal just to be shot just to be shot whether it's Sasquatch whether it's a deer whether it's I think I'd feel the same thing someone shoot a deer for no reason other than just to shoot it I'd probably feel the same way that it's unethical and it's not right

you had come across trackways I wanted you to talk a little bit about that Scott trackways you had found okay yeah I will before I'd say that Wes I wanted to bring something I noticed in the picture too and it came to me after I got up with you. This creature, you know, these creatures can't twist with their waist. They can't twist. I mean, yeah, I mean, they can't twist with their neck.

What am I saying? They can't twist with their neck. They turn their torso. Well, in these pictures, too, her legs were a little bit bent, but in order for her to look up, she had to pivot her back back. It almost looked like she was standing up and leaning back. You know, like when you're, you have that game where you go under that rope and you try to see how far you can go into that rope.

you can go another rope. She was kind of like that. Not that bad. But I'm just saying. That's how she was. In order to look up, she had to take her whole torso and put it back to look at the helicopter. So that was interesting. I've never heard that, but I saw that in those pictures. And I thought I'd share that with you.

Okay. Going on to the next story. Yeah. Yeah. We're going on to the next story here. When I was 12 years old, a gentleman in my church bought a bunch of land outside West Yellowstone in an area called Island Park. And it's actually outside Island Park. But he bought a bunch of land, and there was a small canyon with a stream in it.

He wanted to take that stream, put a pond. So he and his grandkids could fish, and I'll stock it with trout. My dad and four other adults, and about six kids went up there. What he was doing is he had acquired a bunch of animals. and I thought, yeah, we'll play with some dynamite. And little did I know that when we got up there, it was all us boys that were digging the holes to set the dynamite in to set off the charges.

So it's been all day digging. But it was pretty neat to see the dynamite go off, but I'll tell you what, we made a huge mess on both sides of that small canyon. And going down to the canyon, about three-fourths away down, there was a game trail that we would use to, to walk over and then down in to dig the holes and set the charges. And by the end of the day, we set off that last third charge,

and we weren't going to go back down. We were tired. We went back to camp, and I remember I probably ate something, and I crashed. I don't remember a thing. Me and three of my other friends were in a tent, but I woke up early the next morning, and I've always woken up early in my whole life. I never can't sleep in, but I was all antsy,

and I remember my dad was up making the fire and getting ready to cook breakfast. and I really wanted to go down there. I wanted to go check and see what was going on. My dad said, no, no, just hold on, but I kept being antsy. So finally said, okay, we'll walk to the rim of the canyon. It's only about a quarter mile away, and we'll look, and then we'll wait for the others to get up. So I thought, okay, good.

So we went over there, and, of course, I wanted to go down the canyon. So we went on down the canyon. And when we got down near that one trail, the dynamite that we'd done the day before, it just plastered to each side with mud. and that game trail. We didn't use that anymore. It's too slippery the Dave Gord. So we hadn't used it.

Well, overnight it set up a little bit, but there they were. Plain as day. It was a 16 and 3 quarter inch. I put 16.5. It's about 16 and 3 quarter inch footprint. I told Wes on the phone, I'm flat-footed. I have no arch in my foot.

Must be the Indian in me. But I'm like partial Indian, but must be the, I just have flat feet. They're kind of square-looking feet. This foot kind of looked just like my foot, except for it was over two times bigger than my foot. The only thing I noticed it was different was that when you looked at a real close toe on the foot, stuck out just a little bit and was way bigger, a lot larger than the other toes in proportionate. He had a big, big toe.

Of course, we didn't do anything. My dad asked, he goes, you know what this is? And I said, it's a bare foot. And he goes, no, no, it's something you don't want to. to mess around with. He said, you don't want to mess around with this. This isn't stuff that we want to deal with. And you just leave the loan and definitely don't kill one.

And I said, why don't you want to kill one? He goes, bad things will come your way if you kill one. I said, yeah, now I understand. Yeah, probably bad things would come my way. I let's shoot one. But we went back up at the camp and my dad went and talked to the other adults. And I tried to get my friends out of bed. And finally about an hour later, the adults immediately got together, got ready.

They took a camera and they went down and started taking some pictures. The guy that owned the land had a big wash bin, and he actually put the wash bin upside down over one of these tracks. He came back up later, and he casted several of the tracks. My dad actually saw those casts, but I never did. I mean, we set and measured them. We also measured the step to step, and they're about 45 inches. I know the adults were trying to step,

And it was hard for them to make those steps. Us kids were like jumping from step to step. We had to jump from one step to the next. We picked up the tracks and followed them. It went clear across the little mud splash that we made about 75 yards. Then they went on to our ways because after that, the dirt up there is actually soft. It's not hard or rocky. We could easily see where it left those tracks and went on.

It actually went for a couple yards. further and then I actually went off the game trail. But you could easily see where it was stepping and step and step and we probably went in all a total of 200 yards and our parents, our father's just putting into it. They said, listen, we probably

don't want to find out what's on the side of these tracks. We got a lot to do to go home. Let's get back to camp and that's what we just left alone at that. When my dad showed me those tracks, I was like, what would any idiot be up here bare feet for? because on the side of that canyon up there, we have little patches.

There's probably maybe a foot in diameter of cactus and grows really close to the ground. It's only like five inches tall, but this cactus is terrible. You'd be walking along and all of a sudden one will snag and go right through your Levi's, and you're like, wow, dang it, you know. And I was just thinking, man, if somebody was on barefoot and they'd step in one of these characters saying they'd be screaming bloody murder and that was what was

going through my mind is what kind of idiot would be up here in bare feet it reminds me of the tracks Woody and I found you know

it's before our experience that's the first thing that went through our mind was why in the world would someone be up here barefoot running around in this area

you know I had steel to have boots and I had a hard time getting down this little pathway we were trying to get down and we're thinking why would someone

be up here barefoot doesn't make sense yeah before you know anything about stuff We were the same way when I was four. Well, number one, the tractor. I think anybody that's fine something like and think, geez, that's kind of... Yeah, yeah, so.

So anyhow, so I kind of learned early on, I told Wes, I took that story. And my grandpa, he lives up in Star Valley, Wyoming. He hunts up, if you go up Alpine, Wyoming up into the little grays and it goes, or big grays, and then little grays, he hunts up that way. And I mentioned that to my grandpa, and he immediately says, said, you know, I don't want to talk about this. This is not something to be talked about. Let's leave it alone.

And he left him out of the house real quick. And no, it pissed him off. But I said that. And after he left, my grandma goes, it's all my grandma said. She said, Grandpa doesn't talk about that instance. He said earlier when your uncles were young, they were up there hunting. And one of these things chased Grandpa of his hunting spot. I thought, wow.

Okay. to film, we just don't talk about that. That's just, she goes, it's kind of like the devil. Let's start talking about it. Bad things happen. And she said, if you get wound up in this, bad things happen. So that was in my mind. The picture of these creatures is, leave him alone,

bad things will happen. And that was my few. A lot of the old-timers had that opinion. I think it's one of the reasons that it's taken for, you know, the stuff has been known about many, many years around 1811. And almost every decade.

Never a big. Yeah. Back in those days, they didn't have the internet. They had newspapers, but if you lived in one town, yeah, and you read a newspaper, you only read your local newspaper. It probably happened back in the 18, 17, 16, 1,500. They were probably all the way back in time, but, you know, nobody talked about it. There's a couple things that I keep, like, mowing over in my head and I just can't let it go.

on your first story about the shooting of the Bigfoot there, you know, that's probably something that probably happens more often than we actually think about or even know. You know, that probably happens quite a bit. And the other thing is, too, is one of the questions, and you said it earlier, Scott,

but I kind of wanted to say it again, is, what happened to the female? And then why did they not want to talk about it later? Yeah. It's like that I have to know that I'll probably, I'll never find out. I mean, he immediately let me know

because my companion asked and he said, I will not talk about that. Well, why won't you talk about it? He told us about everything else, you know, but that's it. That was it. I wonder what happened

and why he wouldn't let that go at that point of the story. I can't remember that on one of your episodes, 24, 25, 26, I made a little statement down below kind of re, because I had this information on me, and I made a little statement, you probably read it, said,

if we were to know how many government people have actually known these things as if I think we would be totally shocked over the ages all the people that have worked on this since day one in the United States I bet it is an awful lot of people

that have worked with the government that just keep their mouth shut that know these things exist I mean just you know I'm just listening I'm like what are things you know when people say that the government cover up on my cat is I know it is

well yeah that was kind of like that thing And we talked about it on prior shows, you know, when we were talking about that print that we found and we went down there. I don't know what the heck happened to all the trees. We went up there the next day and all the down timber and the twisted trees that were there. And they were pushed over. And two to three inch limbs had been, if you take a rag or a dish towel and you squeeze it to squeeze all the water out, that's what all these trees, I'm talking trees, two, three, not quite, it might have been some four inch diameter, but those were a brink. broke and they weren't twisted. And, you know, West and I, this was before West and I had, we were just out on our

motorcycle, going for a cruise. I think it was in the summertime because it was hot. And I looked over the footprint and I thought, hmm, that's weird. You know, and we went down to the water and we talked for a little bit. And I think I had mentioned something to Wes about the footprint on the way up and on the way back to the trail back to top where our bikes were at, you know, we were looking at it. Like, what the heck, you know, that was weird. Kind of didn't think a whole lot about it.

Just thought it was kind of a weird scenario. a weird scene and man we went back everything had been looked about and it had to have been done by helicopters. There's no other way that they could have got all that stuff happened there. Who did you have on two shows ago? Jim He was a guy that he had on that said about the camp being all ripped up and then they came back the next day and everything's all cleaned up. Oh that was Bob Garrett. Bob, that's right? Yeah, I like Bob. That was a good show.

Sorry, I thought it was Jim. That Bob Garrett. That was a good story. I also watched that and I watched his little videos It's funny how we said, you know, everything's all torn up, torn to shreds, fires thrown everywhere, and the next day they come back, and everything's all put back together. It happened right underneath our noses, and we were just clueless to it the whole time until, you know, we actually, I mean, we kind of, we did say, hmm, that's weird. We never thought it really had anything to do with Bigfoot, because, you know, that was, you know, that was before we had our encounter, so.

Yeah, strange. It's a fascinating, fascinating account, Scott, and I can't think enough for coming on. I can't think enough for sharing. And thanks for all the kind of words about the show. And thanks for listening to the show, too, by the way. I will continue to listen. I like all those people out there that have had the opportunity to come on your show. I admire each one of them.

Maybe each one of them have shared some cool stories that are really fascinating. Well, this one was good. This one was really good. I was just as enthralled listening to it the second time around as it was the first time. So thank you so much for coming on. You bet. Thank you again. All right, brother.

You have a good night. Okay, you too. Thanks again. It's a pretty interesting story. I just, he had told me, you know, a corroboration or not.

I thought his story was absolutely, man, that was right up there with one. I know I say this on a lot of shows. Hey, that was the best one I've ever heard, but that was the best one I've ever heard. It was mesmerizing,

wasn't it? It was. I mean, just said with your mouth open and listen, you know? I did. You know, when he was talking about the female

and her, how the female had its mouth open. And I'm thinking to myself, I'm thinking, well, yeah, she's got her mouth open. She's being shaved. She's probably being shot at. There's weird noises. There's weird things flying in the air. You know how animals get...

Exactly. I'm just thinking that a lot of animals, when they get scared and excited and they've been running, you know, that's exactly... They get freaked out, you know. And I was right there with him, and he was talking about how the mouth is cocked off of the side. And it was fun. It was kind of funny because I'm sitting here.

And I'm like, okay, my mouth is open. And now I'm cocking. my mouth to the side, you know, and I'm going through all these motions that I think that the female Sasquatch is in. Wow, I just, and then when he was all done telling the story, it was like, I almost kind of, I needed a minute to process it all. I was just like. And did you notice when he talked about the posture of the creature, how it was bending

when it looked up in the helicopter, the knees were slightly bent, and it bent, they don't. They can move their head, they have a real limit. Yeah, you know, just everything he had to say about that. I just It was right up funny. It was. He was spot on with everything. I mean,

and, you know, I'm constantly still learning just as far as I was concerned. He was spot on. And wow, what a story. What a story.

Yeah, it was a great, great one. And I agree. I think it was probably the best one we've heard. I think it was. I think it's right up there. I mean,

you know, and all our people that we have on here, all our guests that come on, you know, hey, we want to hear everybody's story. But I'm telling you, that was,

That was a good one. It was a good one. Absolutely. And I just wish I knew the answers to the rest of that story. You know what I mean? It's like, well, where did the infant go? Where did the juvenile? Where did they take them?

What was done? She went on, had more children, and she lived a long life, Woody. I'm going to tuck you in. I'm going to tuck you in. I'm going to take you in. You're all cocky because this is your. second time list into the story. So now you're getting more coffee over there.

That's being the West is already tucked in. Yeah, he's already tucked in. Wow. You're a jerk. You're a jerk. Trying to help you out with. Oh, man.

Yeah. Now I really don't know what they say. Now I'm really stump. That's your show for tonight, everyone. We'll be back on Sunday to talk with the Brown family. who's had Sasquatch out on their property there in Washington State. Until Sunday, everyone, have a great night.

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