Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:417 A Strange Night

Episode Date: March 25, 2018

I will be welcoming on three guests on tonight. Mike writes "My encounter happened when I was about 12 years old in 1975. My parents had property in the Pocono mountains in Bushkill Falls, and my mother wanted to go check on the property and decide to go with her. We went and looked at the land because they did not have a house on the land, they just owned it. It was a beautiful fall day around October, the leaves were starting to turn and the air was crisp. As we were heading back about 2:30 in the afternoon, I believe we were on Bushkill Falls Road heading towards route 209- There is very little traffic on this road and Bushkill Falls Road has twists and turns. At one point as we turning to the left to go down the curving road, I saw something out of the corner of my eye. It was sitting about 6-8 feet in from the edge of the road in the small saplings. And at first I thought someone tossed out a stuffed animal and it was just sitting on the side of the road. But as we pasted it, I saw this thing turn it's head and watch the wheels go by as it leaned on one arm.   https://sasquatchchronicles.com  

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs were showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 9-1-1. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. It's starting to get my voice back. I know I lost it last week. It still kind of comes in and out. But try and keep some fluids down, keep my voice going tonight. Thank you so much for being here. Got a great show plan for you tonight. I'm going to be talking to Roman, who is from British Columbia, up there in Vancouver,

and he had a very odd night. He got turned around. He ended up seeing one of these creatures, a very tall, hairy, gray creature, kind of stepped behind a tree. And he got turned around, had a lot of strange things happen. Odd smells, feelings of being watched. He even came across this farmhouse that had a light above it, very odd. ball of light. So he'll be talking about that tonight. I'll also be welcoming Jared to the show. Jared is, I know Jared's nervous, didn't really want to come on, but I asked him to come on.

He had a very, very, very scary night when he was out with his cousin. One of these creatures had come into the camp, actually took his canoe and threw it up in a tree and took all their food and a very, very odd night. But we'll start with Mike. And Mike had an encounter back in the 70s. He was 11, 12 years old and saw one of these creatures on the side of the road, and he had actually drew a picture of what he had seen. So I'm going to post that up on Sasquatch Chronicles. I'll get Mike's permission first. But if you get a chance, go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com and check out this drawing that he did. Very, very fascinating stuff. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance,

check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member, get additional shows. I know I talked to Beau on Friday night, and he had actually hit one of these creatures. If you get a chance, check it out on Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Again, I'm not on YouTube. I know I get a lot of questions about YouTube, so if you're listening to it on YouTube, it's not me posting it. And if you're interacting with someone on there that says they're West Gramer or Sasquatch Chronicles, it's not me. So I wanted to give that heads up. I had a lady contact me, and got real nasty with me about something I said on a YouTube channel. And I was like, well, that wasn't me. And normally I don't do a lot of shoutouts, but I want to give a shout out to

Jamie. I got an email from his fiance, Tara. She said, Wes, my fiance and I are huge fans of your show. We listen to the episodes together every night when we go to bed. Many we have listened to over and over again. My fiance's birthday is coming up, and it's actually March 26. So tomorrow, I was wondering if at any time during this week, you could possibly wish him a happy birthday. Happy birthday, Jamie. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you, Tara. Tara goes on to say, it would be such a wonderful surprise for him if he heard you tell him, happy birthday.

I know this may sound like an unusual request, but we are true fans. I want so badly to give him this surprise gift. If there's any way at all that you would, you'd be making two people very, very happy. His name is Jamie. Keep up the good work. And thank you for an amazing show. Well, thank you, Tara, for listening. And thank you, Jamie.

Jamie, happy birthday. Thank you guys so much for listening. Very cool. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Mike to the show. Mike, thanks for coming on. Thank you. And right before we went on the air,

I was looking at your picture here. Is it okay if I post that up on the website? Yeah, sure. It's a really, really cool drawing. If you would, tell us, kind of walk us into your encounter. When did this happen? What were you doing? And what did you see? Sure. This is going back to like 1974, 75. I was about 11, 12. My parents had property up in the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania. I'm originally from Pennsylvania. I'm living in Florida now.

my mother wanted to go check on the property. There was nothing on it. It was just land. So, you know, occasionally we'd just do like day trips, just to get out and instead of going, stare crazy. So drove up there, and this was like the fall around like October, I would say, probably like late October. So driving up there, checked up the property, just sort of made the day of it.

And driving back, some of the roads, you know, there are, you know, foothills, mountains, and the roads twist and turn. And so it was a beautiful day. It was clear, blue sky. The trees were turning. So it was, you know, dappled and beautiful colors. So at one point on this road, I think it was, it might have been Bushkill Road. it curves and as the road curves it kind of goes down part of this mountain and I was in the passenger side of the station wagon my mother was driving and as we were coming up to this curb I saw like out of the corner of my eye this white thing at first I thought it was a stuffed animal like someone had tossed out this

toy almost gorilla because it headed the back towards the side of the road and it was probably about I would say about maybe 10 feet in from the side of the road maybe nine feet in where I could see it because it was sitting in like the small saplings along the side of the road and as the car approached and as we came up on it, I saw, when I looked out my window, this thing, again, I thought, who would toss out this little stuffed animal? And I'm saying a little, it was probably about like maybe it sat, maybe about like two feet tall. And as we were passing it, it turned. It actually turned its body and then turned its head.

And it looked at the wheels. So the wheels were rolling by. And I had no idea what this thing was. At first, I'm like, again, rolling through my mind what type of animals that this was, you know, I would associate this with. It wasn't a possum. It wasn't a small bear. And it wasn't a beaver. And again, it was white.

It was all white. Its face was like its reddish, pinkest color. and its eyes were just all burned. Again, it was really, you know, I tried to, I drew a picture. I sent you the picture. But it was just, you know, its eyes followed the tires, filed the wheels as we passed. So, like I said, it just, you know, I had no idea what this thing was. I just still was freaking out.

I just kind of kept looking at it as we were. you know, passing. And as we went down the hill, I couldn't see it. And this probably took place in like maybe all of, I don't know, maybe like five, ten seconds. And, you know, it just left this impression in my mind. And I turned to my mother and I'm like, did you see that? And she was like, see what? She had no idea, you know, what I was talking about. And again, I wasn't sure. what I saw, but I never said anything. I'd never explained what it was. I didn't go into detail. It's like I didn't say like, turn around, turn around. But again, it was just something that I had no idea what it was. And years go by and years go by. And, you know, I get older, you know, I'm

you tubing and, you know, someone had posted a video about a white Sasquatch in the Pocono Mountains. So then, like, this flashback of like one of I'm like, again, 11 years old of this incident of passing this little thing on the side of the road. I'm like, that's probably what it was. That's probably, I'm sure, what it was. Again, you know, trying to understand what this thing, was and again thinking that it was just this stuffed animal did someone toss them the side of the road until it moved until it turned its head and moved its body i i just was you know just in shock yeah yeah i had no no idea no clue what it was and you know at that time i didn't know anything about Sasquatch or what it was or you know this this creature that's lurking in the woods and

never occurred to me. It never occurred to me until I got older. And, you know, it's one of those things where it kind of, like I said, it's just etched in my mind. And I held on to it for years, for years. And like I said before, I recently told my family probably, again, maybe about eight years ago. And of course, they were just, you know, oh, sure, yeah, right. You were probably sleeping or you were dreaming. And I'm like, no, I don't sleep in a car. I don't. It's just something that I don't do.

It's people like, oh, I fall asleep when someone's driving, but I don't. I've never done that. And, you know, it's, I just, I had to draw it because it was something, again, it's been in the back of my mind and trying to sort it out. And, you know, I think that's when, you know, when you start YouTubeing, you know, Sasquatch and videos, and you see a lot of crap that people post because I think it's a joke. And I guess they can joke about it because people who haven't encountered it will joke about it or even those that have. I think they're trying to rationalize it, something that isn't supposed to be, but I'm sure it is.

So I think a lot of people get intimidated by that. But I'm at the age where I don't care. I don't care what people think. Yeah, I hear you. I know what I saw. And, you know, it's, I hope, I don't know, I think other people should have such an experience. And I think they would really understand

that there's other stuff that's out there that we don't know about yet. Yeah, no, I tend to agree with you. It's interesting. I talked to a guy, you and I talked about, this yesterday, but I'm here in Washington State. He had seen what he thought was a toy gorilla sitting on the side of the road. And I said, well, he goes, it was a cute little, look like a monkey little gorilla. And he goes, it was only about a foot and a half, two feet tall. It wasn't that big. And it was just kind of propped up until it moved its head as he passed by. And it kind of hit

me. I was like, wow, that's, you know, because it really correlates with your encounter. It's kind of the same thing, makes you wonder where mom and dad's at. You know, they're close. Right. And you get a lot of reports of them watching cars, even adults. You get a lot of reports of them kind of off the side of the highway watching cars go by. Very interesting. Well, right. I'm sure they're just as curious as we are about them. But, you know, of course, people can get a little crazy and I'm sure that's why they kind of hide or keep their distance. But yeah, I didn't know that when you told me about that encounter about someone seeing another infant or a young Sasquatch, I've never heard anybody else mention that. Again, I thought I was, you know,

seeing things or maybe I just, you know, but again, it's something that I'll never forget. It's just, like I said, I can't, you know, I tried to, I drew it as best I could, but it's there in my mind. And I don't care what anybody says. It's unless you experience it, you're kind of, you're kind of changed, you know. But it's, yeah, it was really, it was cool. I mean, just to understand, you know, what I saw and you know, a lot of Native American people talk about, you know, it's an honor to see them. And I believe that. I believe that, you know, it's something that few people have seen, whether it's an adult or a small or teenager, whatever you call them, but it's, yeah, I felt really fortunate, really fortunate. Yeah, and it would have stuck out like a sore thumb, too, because

it was white, you know, looking at the picture you drew, that would have stuck out like a or thumb, just sitting there watching. Right. Because again, what left that impression was that fur. It was white fur. And I thought, again, it just, it did stick out. I'm thinking who tossed out this stuffed

animal, like someone from a, you know, got it from a fair and just like throw it out there. But its back again was like towards the road. But as the car passed, it moved. It turned its body. It looked at the wheels, watched it go by. I was like, oh my God, what

is this thing. But again, trying to, I think as a kid, you know, you're just, you know, trying to make sense of it. And, you know, rather than go into detail, you know, with my mother, it would have just been like, it would have been a whole other, you know. Yeah. No, I understand. And too, 1975. I mean, there really wasn't a ton of information about these things until the internet came along. You know what I mean? And so I would imagine, for the many years you were probably dumbfounded on what it was whether it was a monkey or right right and you know you the patterson inland film it's like you hear about okay well it's patty and it's a big brown thing and you know it's like yeah you you hear about it but you know as a kid i guess you're looking for this

big brown thing or you know whatever but seeing this it was just you know it's a white thing I'm like, okay, well, then as years go by, you're like, oh, well, there are different colors. They're, you know, reddish brown or there's white. And I'm like, white. I'm like, really? So that just set it off for me. It just does ball rolling. And, you know, I haven't seen anything else.

You know, I haven't seen anything as time has gone on. But, you know, it's, again, one of those secrets that you kind of keep because, you know, if I share it. I'm going to be, you know, sounding like a nut or all alone or, you know, you get stereotyped or people just laugh it off or, you know, they try to make it into something else and it's not. So, and, you know, people that do make those comments, they're not there. They weren't there. So it's easy for them to make an excuse for it. Yeah, like I said, it's always, it's fun of games until you see one, you know.

And I would imagine that moment when it turned its head and its body and was watching, that's when it got real, really quick as you were going by. You're like, holy crap, it's moving. No, yeah, because again, it's the roads are so windy. I mean, because they're mountain roads and they're paved. But, you know, you're kind of taking them slow. It's not like you're going 45 miles an hour or 50 miles an hour. It's just, you know, you might be doing like 20 going around the curve.

And it's, you do have time to look out the window. And it's like, okay. something's registering but it's not making sense in your mind seeing a creature that I have never seen before I don't know I thought

you know again maybe a science experiment something got loose or somebody's pet gorilla baby got loose and I remember when I heard about the white Sasquatch and I was Googling that like pet monkey

pet gorilla and nothing was coming up, nothing. And then it was like, okay, let me try Sasquatch. And there was like a little clip of somebody that had that they saw, they filmed this white Sasquatch and like the Pocono Mountains. And I was just like, just wondering if that was, you know, this thing as it got older. You know, your mind just kind of goes to different places. Yeah, that's definitely understandable.

It sounds like it's stuck with you ever since you saw it. What do you think Sasquatch is? What's your opinion, Mike? I believe, again, from just the research and following it, I believe it is some primate. I believe something that they're very few. It's a, I guess a limited species that, I guess, kind of isolates itself. certain areas that people don't go through. You know, you hear hunters coming across these territories that, you know, they hear stuff and they actually see stuff.

But, you know, rather than tell their people, but I think it's, I believe it's some type of species that kind of branched off into something else. but yeah that's that's pretty much my thought and again you know researchers talk about there's a lot that there's a good food resource i mean there's water there's you know there's deer there's berries nuts whatever that um that could really keep a colony going yeah it's true i think there's a mentality on the east coast and down south in particular where people don't talk about it i think there's more that goes on on the east coast and down south than there actually is in the Pacific Northwest, which is very strange because a lot of times, I hear this a lot from a lot of people, especially on the East Coast and down south. They will say, if these things are real, you know,

if they do exist, I always thought that they were in the Pacific Northwest, not down here, or on the East Coast. And that, really, that can be farther from the truth. But there's this mentality where people don't want to talk about it. Right, right. And, And I believe, too. And, you know, someone had mentioned, and I never really made the connection, was the Appalachian Trail. It just like a lot of people take that. But it goes through a lot of the states and a lot of people have talked about encounters, like through the Appalachian Trail. And I'm sure if it's a pathway, if it's, you know, easier access and, you know, whether cold weather sits in and they move, they migrate.

I don't know. I don't know. But it just, like I said, I believe it is some type of species. I just, it's very elusive. You know, people talk about, well, how come they haven't found the body? How come there isn't evidence? And I believe there is. I just don't think that a lot of information is made public. I just don't believe that because I think it would terrorize people. because I think a lot of people only want to hear certain things. And, you know, rather than set people off and go on this, like, witch hunt, I think it's, you know, just best to, like, leave them be and just kind of let it go. So I guess. Yeah, I think that's the case in a lot of things.

Yeah, forget my voice, Mike, still kind of coming in and out. But I think that's the case on a lot of things. People are, they live their simple life. They work their eight to ten hours of days. day, they sit in traffic, come home, watch TV. And then, you know, if he came out and said, you know, Sasquatch is real, aliens are real, you know, you go down the list, I think it would upset the public. I really do. Definitely. And, you know, I think I had mentioned this yesterday, not to get into the religious piece, but, you know, it's, you're talking about something that,

in the Bible, it's black and white. Here it is. It's written. But there's a lot of gray, and people don't want to look at the gray, and, you know, they're uncomfortable with the gray. And, you know, everything is gray. You know, everything is gray. So it's, you know, trying to, I guess, not discredit people with their belief, but there's more. There's more than just what you're told, you know. So true.

So true. Yeah. Yeah. Believing in more. Yeah. Yeah, well, seeing is definitely believing, you know, and it's a cool encounter. I think a lot of people would want that type of encounter. You know, they don't want it throwing rocks at their house or banging on the house or trying

to get in the house or out hunting and having one charge you or growl at you or I think your encounter is the one probably most people would want, you know, seeing a young one in a car as you're passing by. I think that's the encounter. Yeah, I think, too, it's like, you know, the more I thought about it was just like, yeah, it was kind of cute. This thing, it was like sitting on the side. It was cute.

But, you know, as time goes on, it's like you hear certain things about them being aggressive. And I'm sure they just want to be left alone. But it's, you know, it was just, yeah, I would like to see others. I would like to see more. Yeah, I'd travel out there and take a look around, you know. Yeah, well, if you do hit me up and come. Come on out and I'll take you to some areas. We'll hang out.

But I appreciate you coming on, Mike, and sharing it. It was a very cool encounter. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I appreciate time. Thank you again. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. I want to welcome Jared to the show.

Jared, thanks for coming on, man. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Yeah, no, I appreciate you being here. Tell us about your encounter. What were you guys out doing and just kind of walk us into what happened? Um, so we were fresh out of high school. We just graduated like a month before.

And, um, my cousin and I decided to take a couple day trip down a river in Ohio. And we were in our, in our kayaks, well, we were telling a canoe behind us, too, with all of our supplies on it and stuff. We come down the river. And it had a pretty stiff current to it. And I was, um, and he told me to jump out, you know, leave the canoe to the shore. but I ended up getting careful I was up until down the stream and carried I don't know like a mile or so away

and I had to swim back and whatnot but it was chest deep on me I'm only 5 foot 8 so like I said I carried me downstream I swam back and we had to carry the canoe our kayaks uphill

and when we were at there was nobody around us we set up camp and we you know I'm not gonna lie we were kind of loud that night with us being, you know, 18 years old and invincible and whatnot.

Yeah. It means like I said, we were fresh out of high school, you know, when we just bought to conquer the world. So I decided, in all my 18-year-old wisdom, it would be a good idea to let out a future for Inox. So you just, I don't know, see what it was out there, which I kind of regretted later. So we didn't really get to bed

So about I want to say 2 a.m. And our phones were dead. We didn't have service. I woke up. I don't really wake up. It was like a twilight zone. I kept seeing the numbers 4.36 a.m. flashing in my head. And I heard this.

I don't know what it was. It were in three steps. Or swish, swish, switch. A loud bud on the shore. Crickets stop sharpened and, you know, all the creatures of the night stop doing whatever they do. And I started the does back off. And then I heard this loud, loud, like gut-wrenching growl outside of the tenant. What moonlight we had, I saw this huge, huge black shadow.

and I was like, okay it's got just suddenly messing with us and then it let out big row again right next to me and there's just a sense of fear like okay I'm gonna probably gonna die whereas it's not happy we're here

I'm not exactly on the greatest terms with God but that night I made my peace with him I was like okay if you're gonna take me do it now I'm sorry for her thing I've done, deep done, at least you're getting for my insin

that I, like I said, I was scared I was going to die. And I tried waking my cousin up so we can get the hell out of there. And he just wouldn't wake up.

And then after that, it went silent. He found me in the corner of the tent shaking, literally rocking back and forth. Like, and a person in a mental hospital

of those who is not right in the head. I was so shaking up over and I tried explaining it to him. He just thought, oh, you just had a nightmare. You're just imagining things. And I tried telling people about it, and they just thought it was crazy. So I stopped talking about it. I don't know, like I said, I don't know what it was,

but it scared to the living hell out of me. Like, the next day, I woke up. I was puking everywhere. I just, I didn't want to leave a tent. I didn't want to leave a tent at all. And when he finally coaxed me out of the time, it was like a one in the afternoon the next day. He said, I need to get out here and look at all this.

Look at this. All of our belongings, we left out that night or thrown everywhere. The canoe we had was in a tree. I don't know how I got there or anything. This canoe is, it's not like, it took two of us, all of our strengths to get this thing up the hill. And when we took it fishing, it took three of us just to get it in the truck.

It's heavy. And my uncle built it. Yeah, so it makes no sense. It'd be up. How far up in a tree was it? Honestly, I don't even remember. I know he had to climb and I had to catch it with my face. But I remember he called his dad.

Supposedly he did. And when we finally got back, his dad was there waiting on us because we were way behind his schedule. And he saw the canoe. And he literally started screaming us because he thought we broke it. And we did. And I tried to explain it to him. He just didn't want to hear it. And to this day, I don't talk to my family.

They all think I'm nuts. Yeah. I hear you. Well, it's very real when you're sitting in a tent and you hear something to come across the river, start growling at you. And I wanted to ask you, when you're in the tent, did you see an outline or was it just a huge dark shadow? It was just a huge dark shadow. I didn't see anything else.

There was a whole lot of moonlight that night. I mean, we were in some pretty thick tree cover, too. And what moonlight we have, I just saw the shadow moving outside of the time. I'm kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of I'm kind of kind of shirk him up to you I just start thinking about it now yeah no I understand but um

I think I told you in the email that had another experience when it's called work so my mom's by the family my other cousin and I went down and saw up work and we were down there the day before New Year's it was

it was like negative 10 that I believe with the Wednesday and we didn't, they thought it was a bright idea to go hiking, which turned out to be out to be the greatest idea. So we went to Hosex Cave, and we were just, you know, browsing around. I've never been there before, and he hasn't either.

We got lost the way there. His place isn't exactly the easiest to find, especially when he hasn't been there. You know, everything's fine. when we go above and beyond what they recommend us to do we actually went in the

side of it was more of an overhang that was anything it was pretty cool but then he decided we were going to climb to the top of it and that's when that same sense of fear

it came back the previous canoe trip and he literally stopped dead in his tracks. He said, do you smell that? And I didn't, I couldn't smell anything. Mine has with stuffed up and whatnot. Like I said, that same sense of fear came over me.

And I didn't even think about it. I was like, we gotta go. We gotta go. And we literally ran down. So it was like the devil himself was right on our tail. And we just booked it. That was the fastest I ever ran. I ended up getting hurt

and I spent like two days in the hospital I had some torn tendons in my legs so I ended up ripping up like I said some tendons my leg and whatnot oh wow from running yeah I fell down the hell too but um and I when I saw I kind of

you know got back up I got to get the hell out of here it took everything we could to get that truck moving so it didn't want to start at first when we finally got to start it he floored and he said you look back in the mirror in the review mirrors and he saw something

and asked him what it was there was no way no way I was looking I just didn't want to see this thing I don't want to see this thing because if it's anything like everybody says it is I don't want nothing to do with it I just want to keep my distance

What did you What did your cousin say he saw He said it was like this Big, it almost like a monkey but it had very, it was like very human like he said. But yet again, the same time, I don't know. I didn't see it myself. Yeah, no, I understand.

You know, your first encounter is kind of a good warning for a lot of people. And I say it to a lot of these Bigfoot researchers and experts and whatever else title they give themselves. But, you know, if you're going to go out there and like you guys were being on trees, obviously you guys are just messing around. And I say this to a lot of guys, what are you going to do? do if one comes in and it's pissed. You're really at its mercy. I mean, a guy's not going to stand outside of your tent and growl. A bear's not going to pick up your canoe and throw it up in a tree.

You know, and so what else could it be? You know what I mean? Right, right. I mean, he wants to go back down there. I think next weekend to look for whatever it was. I told him the only way I'm going down there is if I have a 44 or something bigger. I mean, what's a little nine millimeter going to do? something this big.

Yeah, you're right. It's just gone as bad. Did it take anything? And when it went through all your stuff, did you guys notice anything missing? All of our food was gone. We had fish. We caught prior earlier that day before, upstream.

And I cleaned it that night, and all of it was gone. I was okay. There goes our breakfast for the next two days. Have you found that growl online? Have you been able to find something that matches it? Honestly, I have not. I also really haven't looked either, so that doesn't really help.

No, I understand. I understand. Yeah, no, it's terrifying, man. Especially when it's more of the unknown. I think you probably ran into one of these things that probably came in and checked you guys out. You know, what else goes clump, clump, clump, clump, or slosh, slosh, slash, slash across the river.

Usually you can tell right away if it's something on two legs or four legs, you know what I mean? I mean, if it was a deer, I would have, you know, I would have. heard it going to come across the river because they're you know they're they're docile general creatures and you know they're oh you know they're going to stay away from humans as much as they possibly can i mean who just really wants to what kind of animal just wants to come in and mess with a bunch of 18 year old kids who like i said you feel like they conquered the world I mean they're going to stay away as saskwatch does yeah you know what I mean and you hear about

this, I mean, you can read historical accounts, you know, of these things. And, you know, people have had on the show, it's very similar type behavior. You know, they come in, they, their campsite robbers, man. They'll come take your stuff. And I wonder why it was growling at you, though. Maybe it knew you were awake. Probably. I mean, it was a matter. I mean, it's like you said, we probably tested off or whatever, so we were there. It was just one of the fact I think we were in his territory, you know, it was just more angry the fact that We were there and we probably shouldn't have been. Yeah, please, please, please, please be careful if you go back there.

If it's going to come in and growl at you and take your stuff through your canoe up in a tree, it's going to have no qualms about getting its hands on you. You know what I mean? Yeah, and like I said, I'm not the biggest person ever, ever, a biggest person. So if they're as big as everyone says they're, this thing would have no problem, literally, I have no problem just tearing me to limb from one. I wouldn't stand a chance. I mean, but I'm also not going to, I'm also not going to, you know, fight it because it's fire or flight.

I'm running. I'm going to try to the least. I mean, I've been encounter coyotes in the woods, you know, just other stuff I can't really explain either. They don't really want to know. And there's this, there's been a couple of other times, too, or my buddy and I have been fishing, and we've had stuff thrown at us. but we just kind of chalk that off as, you know, kids. But, you know, I mean, other than that, I won't go back in the woods without a gun. Even if it's just some metro park by my house, I'm not taking the chance.

Yeah, I think in this situation, let's assume it's a Sasquatch, they're smart in the sense that, you know, to kill you guys is probably more energy than it really wanted to exert. It was probably ground and make sure you didn't get out of that tent. And in the meantime, it's going to take your stuff. and you hear a lot of reports like this man and I think and don't take what I just said as they won't come after you because they will And I can only imagine

from the podcast I've heard on your show That some people have fed them They'll love food out for them Or just animals in general Because I've talked about other people at work People I work with It's just like you leave food out for other animals They're going to expect it

only don't leave it out, oh, they're going to get mad. Yeah, it's true. I have one more. I don't really know if you would consider it an experience or whatnot. But last one around my 24th birthday, my buddy and I were fishing up at, I think it was a market or a reservoir. He left Celia Firewood from the bed of the truck. And I just had the feeling like I was being watched because where we were at,

isn't exactly the easiest place to get to you can't really get to without four-wheel drive. I was out on the end of the end of the little, I guess a little walkway by myself, and there's just trees all around you. And I just got this sense I was being watched the whole time. I don't know if it was people

or if it was coyotes, deer, bears, whatever. I don't know. It wasn't really a fear. It was just one of the, okay, someone's out there, someone's watching you. He came back, I told him about it, and then I worked off the courage to go, look, and there was nothing there. There wasn't even signs of tree branches breaking deer or anything.

Like I said, I don't know what it was. No, I hear you. And usually if you do get that feeling like you're being watched, you probably are being watched. But if you and your cousin decide to go back into that area, not necessarily just having a gun, but just be careful, you know what I mean, just be really, really careful, especially if it has the nuts to come up and growl at you, take your stuff, throw your condo, in the tree. I mean, that right there tells you this isn't something to be played. This isn't a toy to be played with. It will snap you in half. Yeah. And you just got to be careful, you know,

when you're when you're out there. And then like I said, man, it's all fun in games until you run into one. You know, it's, I tell people that all the time who don't believe, you know, you can laugh and snicker. I'm not saying you laughed or snicker, Jared, but I'm like, you can laugh and snicker all you want. But I guarantee when you run into one, you're, you're going to be in the fetal position. will be afraid, I promise you. I mean, he's got to work with from Pennsylvania. And he said that, you know, they had bear there.

In Ohio, we really don't have them. We got the occasional sighting, but they're elusive, very, very elusive. And he said, he's telling me, he sees one, you know, you know, he's on, he's on a run. He's like, okay, if you run, you're, it's food. And so I'm assuming it's the same thing with Sasquatch. if we run, it's worth their food. Yeah, I think with most creatures, I think if you take off running, they're going to chase. And I think a lot of them enjoy it.

You know, I think a cougar would enjoy you running away from it. It probably will give chase. But it's a fascinating account, man. Please be careful again. And I really appreciate you coming on and sharing it. Thanks for having me on. Well, next up, I want to welcome Roman to the show. Roman, thanks for coming on.

I really appreciate you being here. No problem. I'm glad to have you on. If you would, would you kind of start, this is a very odd night, I think for anyone hearing this, it's a very strange night that you had. Scary night too as well. If you would, would you kind of start from the beginning. Tell us what you're doing and walk us into what happened. Sure. Well, it's up here. We have D.C. Day, long weekend, August 2nd, usually the first day. You're in Neshoe, we don't get to see you too much of camping at the north of Princeton. They invited me out, and I was, I had said that I would meet them up there. So my sister, she'd given me some directions, basically up a couple main highways, and then the main turnoff up this FSR Road, Forestry Road. I think it's called Pike, Pike Road.

And then one more turn, she gave me directions with. I can't remember how that was or what that looked like. And that was kind of about it. Well, you know, it turns out it took a long time to get set up. I decided to bring my little utility trailer and throw the quad on because it's just for fun for anybody wanted to ride or when he's a young boy. So he enjoys riding. So I'll bring a trailer and quad. And then if we wanted to get some firewood, we'd catch some firewood and that sort of thing.

So it's just easier to haul around with the trailer. So I think I'd just replace the turbo on my truck around that time. And so I was running a bit behind. I told her a rod to see it up there. And yeah, so as usual, it takes forever to get set up and get going. It always seems you get to get together for a little trip to the interior. I ended up getting up to Merritt around 11, 11.30 at night, and I field up. Sometimes you just never know what you're up against and how much feel you need.

I like to be prepared. So I fueled up Merritt. I went up the Coca-Hollic connectors and another mean highway in D.C. And took the first turnoff south on 5A towards Princeton. I had a hard time, like, trying to navigate. Well, it was just, I didn't know where the turnoff was, so I was driving kind of cautious and I hadn't been on that road before, so I was keeping an eye out for it, and I didn't know how far it was, so it didn't turn out it ended up being about 30 kilometers south, I think about 30

kilometers south of that turnoff. And so I finally found it, and then I stopped and, okay, what's my next step here, my next turn off. I think it was the sign I was looking for that said Goose Lake. So I just started to go and thought, I'll find it. I'm usually find places pretty easily in, you know, usually in the bush. But so I just took my first right. Then I went down into some camp and realized, okay, this isn't it. Turned around. And then got back on the main dirt road and headed up.

in altitude and and the roads just started branching off, you know, in one or two different directions. I hit one intersection where there's three, three roads into one and I was like, well, I don't see a sign.

I'll try this road. So I went up that road, this road I went left and went up a bit. And I thought, you know what? I'm going to pull the quad off. And just, I can cover a lot more ground faster. Dirt roads, bumpy, truck and trail.

it's a little bit, you know, like it's just hard on the equipment. So it was summer. It was pretty fairly, fairly warm. And so I pulled off on two kind of a spur road off one of the main roads. Kind of hide my truck a bit, right? Because it's, you just never know. Sometimes people steal spare tires and stuff like that. So I kind of stashed my truck and pulled off a quad and started riding.

By now it's about midnight. they made 1230, 1230 out somewhere around there. And I started riding and I just couldn't, I just kept hitting all these other intersections and no signage and been a little bit frustrated and kind of cursing my sister. You know? Yeah. So I started climbing up in elevation and I'm like,

this is good. Like I can't find any sign or anything. So I went up an elevation and I decided, oh, I'll go back down in elevation. And I did. And I got to this sort of main road. I thought main FSR road and I continued on. This started feeling strange with that night. I ran into a cow sleeping on the road that I couldn't even see until I almost ran over it.

And I'd take that around for a while until he darted off in the bush. I just thought that was a really strange event right there. Anyways, so I snow, I was traveling along and I felt like I thought I was kind of on the right track and I snow like a strong, well, to put it bluntly shit, like a real strong but extremely powerful, but with like kind of like a dog but mixed with like a skunky snow, like a real, real potent smell. I thought, wow, there's something around me here right now. I know it and uh because it was not fresh like they're that strong right and uh and it kind of dissipated and i kept going and i was kind of feeling uneasy at this time and uh just feeling like man this is strange night so far and uh um and it dissipated a bit and i i i got a on my quad i got a six inch rigid light bar and uh it puts out a lot of light like uh and it makes riding at night like uh

And it makes riding at night with the quad a lot of fun, right? So you can see quite a distance. And so I'm running along and I, I, I, is kind of a stray away. And the road's undulating. And I snowed, there's snow again. And I had seen this mass gray. It looked like long. hair, mass, simply step aside to the left.

It would be my left traveling. And he just stepped aside, kind of like someone's a side stepping in behind a tree. And I was like, what was that? And I had to go by it. Like I had to make a decision quick, do I turn around? and when you turn around on a quad, like my quad, you got to slow down,

push one button, pull the lever, you know, it's an, it's an ordeal to turn it around and, you know, it would have taken me a few seconds, like,

to slow down and I didn't want to. So I just punched it. And, and I just, I didn't even look back and I just kept going, right? And I was on the right track.

I did find the lake and got to the, lake and it's amazing. It was incredible that I saw in this lake. I'll tell you why later, but the, so I told everyone, I said, you know, I think I'd just seen Bigfoot or something, you know, and all kind of chuckled and laughed and in my mind it's like, did I see that? And I did. I did. So kind of settled in and for about 20 minutes and I think it was about two in the morning at this point. I said, I got to go get my truck because it's a pretty valuable truck.

I just don't want to leave it out there. And at the same time, I was kind of curious about this. Yeah, just curious, I guess, in the best word. So everybody was saying, no, just stay here, you be fine, go look for it in the morning. But I was kind of excited, scared, intrigued. at the same time. And so I booted it back. And I couldn't find my way back to my truck.

And I thought that was really strange to me. And, you know, I felt just to all turn around. And every time I felt like, okay, I got this road, you know, I'll go so far. I know that I turn the left here or right there, you know. And I'm pretty good with directions in the bush. I've hunted, you know, for several years. I think I'm not too bad with my sense of direction, right? And not the best always, but I, that night I was turning around all over the place.

Like, I was just completely, like, what is going on here? Like, this is really strange. I could be wrong. Like, it could be just the way I just, you know, hadn't been in that situation before. I'm so accustomed to hunting in our sort of region. and maybe, you know, just one of those nights, right? So I got lost. I couldn't find my truck for an hour or so, an hour and a half maybe, but I did find it

and pretty freaked out. And again, I turned around and started, I thought, okay, get back down the road, hold my left here, and get going, and I did that, and I got lost again. And I was, now this, I was really thinking, this is really strange, like, this is off. like what's going on here and come cruising along and I this road a lot of times on logging roads you end up on a spur road then it gets narrower an hour and now or you know and you know okay well this road's going to probably says it's okay nothing right it's kind of one of those roads and

and I came upon look like a farmhouse and just light above the farmhouse and from the distance I thought okay they got a big farm and maybe like it's a barn with a big you know like barn light or something but this thing was huge and I thought are they some some crew filming the movie out here or something is what I was thinking and it was similar to one of those lights I was large very large when I came up on it and uh and it was above the house and behind the house and the best way I can describe the way this light was was like a set light from a movie set up but I couldn't see one one movement of any anyone. It was pretty late, so, you know, understandably maybe there's no one out, but

this light was on. And it was illuminating this house in a way that like the, like it was glowing kind of, kind of, like the wall, like the light was going through the wall, so to speak. Like, very, very hard to describe, but very strange. And I came upon the gate. And I just sat there for a minute, idling, looking at this and thinking someone's going to come out. It's got to be a movie set. And then maybe they can help me with my direction back. And I couldn't see a single movement. And all I could think was this is very, very strange, right?

And I couldn't see a pole. I was looking for a pole or something that this light was seeing. I couldn't see it. And this is dark, right? and this light was bright. So maybe it's just blinding me and I couldn't see it. That was affecting my ability to see this, like pull, whatever it's sitting on, right? And so, so, yeah, I just backed up and with the trailers, it's so hard to turn around.

So I was just trying to stay out of the ditch and turn around and just slowly went my way. And this, like, I got to tell you this whole time, like, seeing what I've seen, this big mass, it was tall. Like it was at least 12 feet. I mean, I'm in the construction demolition industry, and I got an idea of, you know, like what 12 feet is, what 10 feet is. And this thing was like 12 feet and wide, like four feet across, for sure. And just thinking this is one strange night. I'm like, like what's next here, right?

And I was a bit afraid. And usually any time I go in the bush just for, just, you know, for protection, you know, I usually have a shotgun in the back or with the youth. And that night, that night I didn't have it and I was picking myself the whole time thinking, you're feeling a little like for vulnerable, right?

And, you know, so I just, I, um, travel along the day, kind of found a main road and he was going to kind of just sort of goes off. I was hoping to, and I just couldn't and I just sort of moved slow until the light started coming out about 4,35 in the morning. And I waited, and the whole time I just felt like I was being watched, like, after all that. And it could be easily than fear, just simple fear in my mind just going off, right, which is very, very likely. And even when you're driving along, you're going slow, you know, you've got your window kind of open.

you can still hear a certain sounds. And I know there's animals and they're traveling around at night and doing the thing to hear often out at night. And I could hear sounds around me and, you know, chalk it up as this regular animals. But it just healed that fear, I suppose. And, you know, yeah, once the light came out, I was instantly, almost instantly, seen like this. turn off of the main road that I needed and I knew exactly where I was and it was like it was over.

And I got on that road and I got back to the camp, the Deuce Lake. And it was a series of roads that were just like all over the place. And I was just thinking back to the night before like, how the hell did I find this place? Like, I was like just a lot of roads. And that morning like, in that morning, like I'd been up now for some time and my nephew got up and we kind of work for a few walks around the camp. And I don't know if there's any other camps around or farms or anything around that area, but we're walking around and just listening and, you know,

like kind of pretending we're like hunting and stuff like that. You see anything, and, you know, yeah, we're just out camping. And so I, I, I, I swear, and I kept asking him if you could hear it too. And he could hear, like, voices out in the distance. And you just, but you couldn't make out anything. And I don't think we really, really deciphered anything out of that. But I don't know if you actually heard what I was hearing. But, yeah, I don't see, you know, like a little chatter or not.

So I've heard that in floor hunting in the region we hunted. you know in the past and you talk it up as hunters right but uh since since that night you know i've been like uh like watching and listening and reading a lot of uh just trying to gather for reason about this sort of phenomenon and um and i i wasn't sure like um like i'm sure i was sure about what i seen i wasn't sure as to what it could have been and i never that time heard of any sightings with being a gray, gray Sasquatch or Bigfoot. And my sister has sent me a link to a paper that I haven't, I haven't spoke with her yet. I wanted to get this, try to get the link to this paper and pass that on to you too as well.

But in that, it led me to a siting where there's some gray sightings of a gray Sasquot. in that region in the last 10 years. And as soon as I had read that, I mean, right there, like, yeah, that's what I've seen. There's no question about it in my mind. I really believe that to be true, right? And that whole evening, being, you know, being a strange evening, yeah, I could chalk it up to being just, yeah, in a different range and some fear playing on my mind. but I know that there was an off feeling that just really made me confused that night. And I just, it was more powerful than I had experienced in ever that I can recall, right?

You know when you're young and you're camping and you kind of, well, you tell camp stories or stuff like that. And even as adults, you do that sometimes we're sitting around the campfire and you get into stories. We spook ourselves, right? That's one thing, but this was completely different. Like, it was, it was like another level that, that I, I, you know, it seriously affected me that night. And I tell people, you know, and I talk about it lightly, and I know people look at me funny. And so I slow down on who I, like, with who I tell about this. Yeah.

And for the most part, I don't really care. people think but it's funny um i shared about it in passing with the guy at work and uh another fellow came up to me and uh shared his experience with me uh just like a week ago and uh i was surprised to hear what he had to say and he didn't want to talk about it in front of everyone but he he spoke about it with me and uh and uh yeah it uh you start since i started to like read and in and listen and um watch some of these shows with sightings, you know, things start coming together and I start remembering different sounds or experiences that I've experienced out in the bush hunting.

Like, since that event, like, I was hunting with my cousin's past fall, and I've never had a problem walking in the bush for hours and, like, on my own, no problem, not even, and herd wolves and, you know, in our area, like, many, many times. and seen them and not been not not afraid at all come across moves no no no fear at all like very little anyway and this year at uh i i had a hard time even getting out of my truck like since that and uh and definitely without not without my shotgun you know i might walk a clamor and that's it i got turned around and i haven't really shared that with my cousin yet but uh well i appreciate you sharing you here i wanted to ask you the creature

that you saw. So it was upright moving from tree to tree. He's on the side of the road. And when I came up on it, like, I was traveling sort of erratic to keep my RPMs up. So I was going slow, fast to keep my RPMs up to have a lot of power in case I needed to like really hit it. So, and I was kind of chattering to myself and like just making noise just to speak anything in case you know something was around and uh like like a bear or another animal or cougar that might want to you know you know what i mean and uh when i came upon this like it was uh on the left and all i could see was this mass tall mass i couldn't see what it was doing um but it moved it sidestepped in

sort of one one just sweep and that's all I seen like I couldn't see if it was looking at me or if it was I couldn't I can't honestly say if it was facing me

if it was then he had hair on his front but the hair was somewhat long like longer and grayish black like not entirely gray and it moved behind the tree

and it was large it was large. There's no question about it. I know how shadows play with trees when you're, when you got a big LED bar and you're driving,

you know, on twisty roads. I know what this was. It was a gray mass and I couldn't tell what it was doing. If it was walking across the road or if it was just standing there,

or if it was walking away from me or like, who knows, right? I kind of feel like maybe it was it knew all was coming and just got out of my way, I think. I don't know. I had no idea. But it was wide, wide, and tall.

It was huge. I wanted to ask you because I think you and I both know that's probably a Sasquatch you saw. And there's a lot of reports of gray ones. You know, I don't know why most people don't know that. But there is actually a lot of reports of gray ones, especially in our area. Actually, you'll find it everywhere, really. Texas, you'll find it on the East Coast. You'll find reports of gray ones.

And some of these Bigfoot researchers and experts and whatever else title they give themselves will say, well, it's an older one. I don't buy that. I think that they come in different colors. I think that they come in gray. I wanted to ask you about the light, though. What was it about the light that you didn't think, well, it's just a farm light? I mean, what was it about it that really made you stop? I like it was large it was like very similar to if you they film a lot of movies up here in

Vancouver and you know you see these big light sets you know it was a large light set like that and it's just it's an odd light that they use like they filter it with a scene or something and it was a large light and it's hard to really determine how big it was in diameter it had to have been at least six feet across. You know, it was a big ball light, kind of, like a round light, I got. Oh, I got you. It was like a set light, right? But big, and high above the house and behind it off on one side of it on the left,

it would be my left side, right? And I thought, my first thought was they were filming a movie. Like, some, they're filming a movie up here, and maybe they were, and they were done with the set, but the light was on, and maybe they just left the light on, I don't know, for, but I couldn't see any,

like trailers or, you know, like the usual get-up you see on a movie set, like trailers and tents and, like that sort of stuff with food checks and all that. So it was more like an orb? Is that what you're saying? It was, uh,

I, I couldn't tell you honestly. I couldn't say if it, I, don't feel like it might have been, but it was round. I couldn't tell it was a ball, but it was, it was round. There's no question about it. I almost thought for a quick second it was the moon, but obviously wasn't.

And, but it was, it was big. And it was spying the house slightly. And the way it illuminated the walls was uncanny. And it was like the walls are glowing, like a dull, from the inside out is very strange. Yeah, it sounds like it. So it wasn't a normal light, I guess is what I'm trying to say. No, definitely not.

Not even close to a normal farmhouse like or barn like a like that you would see. It was big. It was like large. But that was my thought. I mean illuminated like a large part of that area like coming up on it. I could see the light when I came up this road. This light out, you know, you can see a distance just like it was bright. So, yeah, I couldn't see a pole sitting on a pole or Zoom boom, you know,

or like if it was a movie set, I couldn't see any of that. What color was it? Did it have a color? It was very, um, Very white, white light, like a very white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, whiter than white, very white. Interesting. Most makes you wonder if it was like a UFO or something, you know what I mean?

Or like an orb or, because you wouldn't think a light, like a farm, a normal light would really catch your attention. I think we've all seen farmhouse lights. We've seen big lights out on farms and they don't really draw your attention. But for some reason, this is true your attention. Oh yeah, definitely And like I said I thought it was a movie set And if it was like man

This is really odd place to have a movie set Like I've never really seen one in the bush before But I'm sure that it's happened all the time But again Like I've seen no trailers no Like none of that stuff No I didn't see anybody moving around And I was looking for that

And I just thought I thought someone would come to the gate And so I was hoping to help me with directions. Because I shot there for minutes, right, idling. And I was like, man, this is freaking weird. And I didn't even think to try and take a picture I should have. It didn't even cross my mind. But yeah, it was certainly not a barn light, a regular farm houselight.

I've been, you know, traveling around in the interior for my whole life. and, you know, lights like that. And, you know, there's nothing like it at all. It was big. And it was above the house, well above the house. Yeah, interesting. It's very interesting. It's sort of above and off to the side.

It's hard to say what it was. And it stayed there until I turned around and I was gone and it was still there. You know, when I thought out of the distance off, out from the, you know, some away from it, I guess. Let me ask you, and I really appreciate you sharing your encounter. I'm fascinated by it, especially the feeling you had of being watched and the smell and then seeing the thing. And the light, too, is concerning. There's a lot of people that see these lights.

I've had people who I've talked to on the phone that have seen lights the size of cars, just kind of floating out in the forest. and it's very odd to see them. And I've seen orbs too. They're very odd to look at because it's a weird, like you described, it's a very odd light. It's not like, you know, like on a movie set when they have a light, it's blinding. I've been on, you know, with these TV eyes and stuff and sat in front of it,

and you can barely see the camera because the light's so blinding. But when you see the orbs, it's different. It's a very soft light. It's almost like a light that's being radiated, not like a blind, like a flashlight or something like that. Yeah, you could look at this light easy. Yeah, very soft, very soft light. And the way you talk about it radiating around the home,

that's kind of what the orb that I saw in Yakult, and I filmed it, it's very similar. You can see it kind of radiating the light around trees and everything else that's around. I wanted to ask you, though, what do you think Sasquatch is, Roman? What's your honest opinion? Well, seeing this last summer and, you know, not really having sort of researched a lot, I chalked it up as probably like an animal in the bush that's just, yeah, it just sits, you know, on scene, you know, that's pretty clever. and, you know, in our area up here in Harrison, there's been, like, Bigfoot sightings for years and years.

And, you know, there's some camps called Bigfoot Campgrounds. Like, it's been talked about for many years. So, I always just felt maybe he's just an animal, you know, like, but after, you know, like reading a lot more and, you know, just gathering more information around the beginning to learn that this, there's, something there and you know I've heard I've learned about this infrasound and uh I I kind of felt like maybe you know maybe that's just fear you know acting in people right and uh but that night I was like I uh it was different it was different I was lost confused um I felt like there's something playing with me like uh there's an effect there right? So there I I I I I, I, I, I strongly feel like there's there's more, definitely more than just an animal because I, that's about the best I can answer that.

There's more than just an animal because, and I'm sure they, they are part animal, obviously, but something else too. Yeah, you know, they're, they'd have to be like, why? I don't know there's just I wanted to say why haven't we got one but there have been people that have gotten them you know and I just

I know what's going on out there but they're there there I know doubt about it like I truly believe they're there it's impossible with the amount of sightings that have been going on for hundreds of years one of the first explorers

out here in the west out here in the west David Thompson, he's had multiple sightings, you know. He's, I guess he's a navigator, I suppose, for Hudson Day Company, I believe. Yeah. And he's an explorer, right? And he's got written accounts and they go back forever. And there's no question about it in my mind, but that's what they are.

I have a clue other than I would have said purely an animal that's just smart. you know hiding and uh yeah there's got to be more because they've got to be smart some people say well i'm showing me bones or anything but when you're i walked a lot in the bush the last several years hunting and it's pretty rare i come across the bones right like all bones here and there of an animal and they would be scattered around you know and a lot of times you can't make out what animal they were usually they're gay or but I come across islands, you know, shed.

I haven't come across in their bones, you know? Yeah, I agree with you on that. Yeah. I tend to agree with you on that, and that's my biggest argument. I didn't mean cut you off. I apologize, Roman.

I, you know, I can argue that point, the same as you because, you know, you and I are basically in the same environments. You're just north of me, but realistically, we, We live in the same environment. And you're right. You won't come across because the forest eats it up.

I mean, I could shoot a deer, leave it two weeks. It won't be there, I promise you. And it's just because the forest takes care of it. But then how do you answer these reports in Arizona or in New Mexico or do they have that same environment where it would just eat it up? I don't know. But I tend to agree with you that there seems to be something more going on here than just a wild day. I tend to agree with you on that. Yeah.

Like the next night, when we camped there that night, well, I didn't really camp. I was out all night driving around. But the next day we went to another lake, oh, maybe 80 kilometers away. And that night we rented a cabin on a lake, Paradise Lake. And we're joking and laughing about, like, you know, making, just making fun of, you know, what I'd seen. And that night we heard some wolves howling, but it started out, it sounded like coyotes and then wolves.

And then it almost sounded like humans were making wolf sounds. And we were like bad or strange. And my sister didn't think it's green so much because she's not really familiar with being so much out in the bush. But to me, I was like, that is odd. maybe there are some other people in the nearby cabin making the same sounds, but these

these sounds were changing. And my cousin, he's been surrounded by wolves and he swears that he's heard them mimic and like make gruff sounds, but he couldn't see them. And I think that there was something else out there

sometimes with us. You know, like you hear sounds that are off. Yeah, I don't know. There just so many different things come together more. Maybe I'm just hypersensitive and a little bit afraid, but I could go on about sounds like different sounds that I've heard in the bush in our area that just don't make sense, you know, like the little chatters to many owls,

but they don't sound like owls, you know. You definitely, yeah, no, no, I hear you. And you definitely can hear them. They do mimic a lot. And I think that you definitely have them in your area. I mean, like I said, I know you're in Canada. I'm in the United States, but realistically, we're in the same area. You take the border across the side.

We're in the same area. And you do hear them out there. I think it's interesting that the creature was kind of stepped off to the side as you were riding by. Sometimes you don't get that reaction from them, especially if you're on a four-wheel or a motorcycle or a dirt bike, those noises tend to piss them off. You know, for you to have the smell and the feeling of being watched, I think you were being watched that night. The part that I'm sure that bothers you to this day is that being confused and turned around.

And, you know, for a guy that's been out in the bush a lot, you can go and say, well, he got turned around. Generally, those guys don't get turned around two, three times a night in the same area when they've already been to an area. You know what I mean? So I would imagine that would bother you the sense of feeling lost. You know what I mean? That's exactly why I know there's something more than just being turned around.

I really feel that too, right? I just say something about, you know, Gray, seen something gray. Like my family's from a small town. I was born in Camelps and just outside of Camelps, there's a small town out there. And when I was 14, I remember we were sitting around someone's place one night in the summer. And I was 14, there's some people that came over. They were maybe four years older than me. And they'd been out dirt biking that day.

And this fellow was telling us a story that they were dirt biking with their friends. And this guy's, this guy had his girlfriend with them too. and they had seen something where you're running up the hill and he said that his girlfriend froze and he had to jump off his bike and push her to get going and it's funny how that comes back to you

after, you know, you kind of like, you see what you see and then you hear that there's actually great big foot out there and then it's like, hey, I remember that story and this guy was genuinely

like pretty freaked out that day and it's like, you know, there's something there, right? Yeah, no, Absolutely. A lot of things, I think after you have an encounter, you look back like you have, you know, being a hunter, you look back a lot of things and go, hmm, that was odd. Like hearing people talking or hearing, you know, it sounds like owls and you know deep down it's not owls or you hear different animals. You sound like the animals, but there's something a little different about it. Like it doesn't quite add up to what you've seen before, you know.

Be safe while you're out there. You'll have to let me know if you go back out there. if anything else happens, will you? Yeah, well, people, and, you know, thank, thank goodness,

you know, like, but I really feel for people that I've had very traumatic experiences. I can't imagine what that. Do you like, like you just don't know,

and I'm glad that, you know, I'm listening to you know, I'm looking at you know, just helping, yeah, I think it helps people to have a venue to talk about. to talk about that stuff, right?

So, yeah. Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more. And whether it's traumatic or not, it's kind of irrelevant. We just need more people to come forward and say what they've seen. And it's very similar to what a lot. I mean, I could pull you many reports from Texas, and they sound just like your report. I could pull your reports from Pennsylvania,

and they sound very similar to your report. So I think it's important for everyone to come forward and just talk about what they saw without feeling like They're going to be interrogated. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I really appreciate you coming on.

Yeah, well, thanks for listening. Yeah. Thanks again, Roman. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone. Being across the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote.

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