Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:42 Brown's Bigfoot Diaries

Episode Date: July 21, 2014

We will also be speaking to the Brown family from Washington state and be getting an update on what they have going on, on their property. The Browns will also be sharing recent audio they have recorded from their property.   Visit their website here.

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What are you reporting?

What on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six foot. Yes, I'm looking right here. Welcome to Bigfoot hotspot radio, Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. So it looks like next weekend again, Woody and I will be out at the 2014 Beachfoot that Todd Ness is putting on.

I think it's the American primate. It's his organization. And all three of us were invited out. I know Will's, Will couldn't schedule it in, could make it out there, but he'll definitely be missed. And what do you think? What do you should we take our podcast? equipment? Should we go out there and interview people when we're... Yeah, I think it's a really good idea. I think we should take some stuff out there and,

you know, we might get some of the best interviews out there. I mean, everybody's interested in the same topic. Let's record some stuff, man. Let's get some new stuff added to the show. I think it'd be a good idea. I think people will be offended if I show up with some flute awards to hand out. You got to do it. I think they'd be offended if you don't, brother. Probably. We'll call up for the people. They won the annual flute player award for the year from Sasquatch Chronicles. A few notables who should have those awards that may be there.

They'll be all over it. You know they'll be playing their flutes. No pun intended. We're going to be run out of town when we get to the beach. Get those guys, Capquatch Chronicle guys out of there. Who invited these Jokers? Yeah, exactly. I think it's a good play, man.

So anybody listening to the show, go ahead and you guys are going to that beach thing that we're going to have some stories ready. We'll back in here and get some stories. We'll put it on the show. Yeah. Do you want to meet a couple schmucks? Me and Woody will be there? Come on now. Tonight on the show we have the Brown family.

I know we're going to bring Sarah and hopefully John on here shortly. And they've actually had a lot of stuff going on up at their property here in Washington for a long time. I know Sarah's been talking back and forth with myself. She's been talking back and forth with Will. I think Will said that for two years. They've had stuff going on. Isn't that what she said, Will? She lost two years.

Yeah, for the past two years. Yeah, so I'm looking forward to talking with them. And I know we got some audio clips that we're going to play tonight, but I want to welcome Sarah to the show. Hey, how's it going? Hey, good. How are you? Good.

Well, you guys, I guess we should tell listeners that you, among, you know, we're the... Yes. How about you and John? John's dad grew up on this property. There were 11 kids in that family, and John's grandfather used to have a smokehouse where their house that John grew up in after moving from Nia Bay. He used to have a smokehouse that sat there, and his grandfather used to tell stories about how a Sasquatch would go into his smokehouse and steal his fish. and then the next day he would find raw fish outside of his smokehouse.

There's always been a history on this property. There's always been a history with the family. When John and I started dating about six years ago, he had told me about his interest in Sasquatch, and I thought he was funny. He told me he wanted to go on a BFRO expedition or something. I actually told my mom, and she thought he was funny too for thinking that. as we got more and more serious, he was telling me stories and I became more curious.

Then we really started reading all the best books we could find, watching the good documentaries, and I realized that there was something major to it, you know, all the evidence that you just don't hear about. John and his brother went to the Gifford Pinchot National Forest. their first night there, they heard one. It was just a massive, massive roar. And John came home, told me about it, and we started researching areas, like well-known areas, and we found out Grazed Harbors just a hot spot, you know. They really like this area, and it's just, I think there's just so much forest here, so much land.

We realized, man, there's probably more to your grandfather's stories than just stories. you know. And so we started talking to a few neighbors that have been around for a long time. They shared their stories, their encounters. We just started researching out of our backyard and found that they were in our backyard. We started figuring more out, learning more, learning what not to do. Long story short, we had gotten audio set up at September 6th of last year. now patterns are starting to form. What were the first signs that tipped you off that Sasquatchers were there in that area? We had found some odd stick structures or stick art, whatever you want to call them,

and that kind of struck interest in us, and they were really close to our house. And so John Ben and I, John's brother, went outside, and I recorded just this massive, massive roar, followed by another massive roar, and then it sounded like a Sasquatch just yelling at something. What it was saying, I don't know who it was yelling at. I recorded that from my cell phone, and so we realized that they were right there, you know. And that was daylight, too. You've actually seen the creatures?

Is that right? I've seen them three times. Okay. John has seen them five or six, I believe. The first time either of us saw one was that same month. It was two weeks later. And him and I, we'd walk into the tree line, and we would hang leftovers from a tree thinking that they were taking them.

But of course they weren't, you know. But we didn't know at the time. would hang food from a tree. And a lot of times when we would walk in there, we were told it's good to always alert them. And so we would either click rocks or we'd whistle. And after a few times, it didn't take long. As soon as we'd walk in that tree line and we would either whistle or crack, you know, clack rocks together, we would hear a whistle. And then we would hear almost like a roll call around the, you know, clack rocks together.

the woods like you hear a whistle and then crack and then a wood knock and then you know another rock clack and a stump and just kind of like hey there's a person here got it got it got it you know and then uh yeah and then one time broad daylight we were walking in there i was about 30 feet ahead of john with a food plate and he stops and he goes we need to turn around and go right now and I turned and look at him. He's looking over his left shoulder, and I could tell what he was seeing. I knew by the look on his face, and he would glance for a couple seconds and then look down at the ground. Glanced, look down, and he kept saying, we need to go.

And so both of us are stressed out. I'm kind of pacing with this food plate. I didn't look over. Don't ask why it's just one of those things that I didn't do. He eventually talks me out of exiting the wood. and going back home, and that's when he saw a 9-foot-1, just a massive one. For the longest time, he talked about how big his butt was, just this massive muscular butt. But that one was around 9 feet tall, 60 feet away.

When was the first time you saw one of them? The first time I saw one was September 6th of last year. We had a thermal eye camera. you know one of those old school ones they don't record or anything you know they're just for viewing purposes and john and i were standing outside by the by where the audio tent is and we hear knock not knock really close to us and it freaked us out so we retreated to the porch and then john walked around the corner with his flashlight another stupid thing that we did at the time and he shines it and he runs around the corner back and he said back to me and he goes

eye shine. And so he just saw these bright white eyes with the reflection of his flashlight. So I walked around the corner with the thermal eye and there it was roughly, I think it was 120 feet away. I have the exact measurement. It was just on the just on, just past the barbed wire fence. It was just slightly swaying back and forth while it was moving to the right. And it was behind really tall blackberry bush. I'll have to show you. I have a picture of it, actually. It was swaying and swaying, and then it stopped.

And I just stared at it. I was completely in awe. I was more freaked out than I'd ever been. I could just feel my eyes were dilated, you know. But I stared at it for it seemed like a half hour, but in reality it was probably two or three minutes. I remember Derek Randalls had said, this is an old camera. if you guys ever see one, take a picture with your cell phone as a viewfinder. He was totally kidding.

But after a while, you know, after calming down as much as you can when you're staring at a 7-foot-6-7 Sasquatch, John goes, he could... That's kind of a tough situation. Oh, yeah, it is. And John goes, take a picture with it. Take a picture with your cell phone. So I did. and David Ellis came over and we redid it.

We found where it was standing. It was all compressed. We found a pot that we believe the creature was banging on. The whole thing is on audio too, which is always cool, you know, for the correlation. Then you hear our ridiculous reactions and everything. So that was the first time. Sir, is that the famous thermal picture that you guys have? No, no, that was from October 31st.

Okay. That was two months later. That was with the Fleer. I got you. The video. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. Sorry, well, I didn't mean to cut you off. Go ahead with that.

No problem. So what happened next? After that, we were lent a Fleer BTS from Wally Hersom, started using it, trying to figure it out. And those things are so hard to, not hard to work necessarily, but just to understand what you're looking at, you know, especially when everything is about the same temperature. And so I started using it. And about a week later, I quickly showed my brother-in-law how to use it. I said, look, just real quick, quick run through because neither does it really like to be told what to do by me. if you know what I mean.

That's how you guys are. And so I didn't even ask John. I thought, you know, he'll learn how to do it on his own. And I said, Ben, just real quick, run through. This is how you record. This is how you change, you know, contrast, whatever. Two nights later, they're sitting outside. And half of the cows had been taken earlier that day.

And they were so, the remaining ones were so loud and obnoxious, just all day. I didn't even turn on audio because all you can hear were cows. And the guys were about to come in and they hear, again, tap, tap, tap on a tree. John takes up the flare and looks through it. And when he came inside, he said to me, he goes, I think I just filmed a big foot, but I'm not sure. And I go, well, what makes you say that? And he goes, well, it just looked like a head to me.

I didn't see ears. It just looked like a head and it was standing completely still like a Sasquatch wood. And he goes, but, you know, I was whistling at it and, you know, trying to get it to do something. And it didn't. It just stood there. And I go, well, was it a cow that was like laying down? And he goes, it didn't look like it. But I'm not sure.

Well, John is so low-key that he didn't press for it anymore. A week later, I was like, hey, I'm going to check out what he filmed. pop in that SD card. First thing I see is the still image that John had taken because he couldn't figure out how to push record. And I saw it and I go, oh my gosh, that's a Sasquatch standing there. I call Ben in the room and I go, look at this. And he goes, oh, my goodness.

It's John. And then we pulled a video and I was just completely in awe. There's science behind that video. This one man wrote a couple months ago and he said, you know, I spilled something on the screen of my phone. And I quickly went to clean it off. And when I pressed on the screen, it kind of distorted whatever it does, you know, with the screen. And he goes, I could see eye sockets, a collarbone, you know, the sagittal crest. I could see all of that.

And he's like, this is amazing to me. And so then we had Phil Pulling come out and do his. breakdown and he said when he left he goes I think he saw a Sasquatch and I go I know that that was a Sasquatch and he you know kind of chuckled he he did such an awesome job on that I don't know if you've seen that but uh I mean I was shocked when I saw it and I know what he's seen it I know what he's seen it you know I could tell it was out of focus but that was no cow oh no there's no way you know what I got to give I got to lend some credit to the guys too. I don't know if you know Kirk Brandenburg. He shot some New Mexico footage and with

an old school fleer. He was on like a finding big foot episode or something, but he's a really close friend of ours. And he said to me, said, you know what? I've used a Fleer BTS before. And this, this should not look like this. There shouldn't be that outer ring and it shouldn't be this out of focus. So he called Fleer and they said, no, it's out of warranty. He said, well, hey, I know that Wally Hursom has been a loyal customer of yours for quite a while. This is his camera. And so they said, okay, we'll check it out. And they called us back and said, yeah, there is something wrong with whatever it was.

And they sent us a letter and everything. And they said they fixed it, but it still wasn't up to par when we had gotten it back. So I think that if it wasn't defective, I think that it would have turned out a lot better than that. It wasn't solely due to the poor focus, you know? Sure. After the footage was taken, what went on then? Lots of audio. Tons and tons of audio.

I would say that it's safe to say they are within close proximity. I know that, Will, you and I had talked about how they move around, you know, but still remain in their, you know, in their territory kind of thing. But I would say they remain within recording capabilities, maybe 85% of the time. We get a lot of daylight activity, too, which I know is not common. and I don't know why, but that clip that I sent you today where I, you know, I'm so confused about that clip and no one ever tells me of an animal. They're just like, I don't know what that is. It sounds like a toddler. We hear that one a lot during the day, a lot.

Hey, sir. Hey, sir, I don't, I don't mean to interrupt. But it might help for some of the other listeners out there to kind of, and I know exactly where you're at. I worked out there for years, so I know, I know just about, you. where you live. But if you could kind of explain maybe the landscape of where you live, and that might help kind of explain maybe why you're getting some daytime activity. Oh, okay.

So the land is our house sits within a fence that's about two and a half acres. It's surrounded by a cow pasture that's leased out to a man about six months out of the year just for grazing. on the outer perimeter of the pasture, there's a creek, there's a river, there's not a huge wooded area, there's enough. I do remember last time I was out there in your area, it seemed to be a lot of, and I don't know exactly where you live, but I know there's some government land with power line runs that run through there. I also know that Warehauer owns some property out in your, in your, close to your area. So there is

forested areas. There's water. There's a lot. Oh, yeah. And there's the Olympic National Forest is right, you know, close. But in our immediate yard,

there's not, I should send you guys a Google map of it so you could get a better idea not to share anything, but, you know, just for you to see. But it's, as some people would call,

it's very squatchy. You guys all have to come out here, too. Yeah. Have us out. Anytime you guys want to come out. Anytime you want to come out, you don't live far. People from where Sarah's from, it's a very beautiful area. There is heavily forested areas.

There's also clear-cut areas. Warehazer owns a bunch of the land. There's plenty of water. You're not too far from the Nassau River. I'm not sure what the other person is. It's not heavily that part of the state. No, it is not. you know and it's it's gorgeous so I just kind of wanted to kind of paint the picture for people out there

who are listening and and I think I think that's important because it explains why you're getting more day-time activity than other other areas I don't know might be a dumb idea but I just kind of wanted to point that out no no I agree sometimes you know when you when you know everything about something you forget right you know to explain the details that's kind of what I was thinking you know there's And like I said, I worked out there for almost four years in that area, and it's a gorgeous area. So I understand why you're having daytime that stuff. Yeah, it was interesting. You mentioned the eye shine.

We were doing some research. Anyway, so okay. Was it white? Were the eyes white? Yeah, I've seen white and amber. It really depends on... Oh, really? Okay, because I feel like a common one is red.

No, you know, actually, it's not that common. people think it is. And I talked with the old time years ago. In fact, part of the eyeshine. He says, I think I have seven reports. The rest are all amber or white. That's interesting. You have different colors.

It was two and a half weeks. I went outside to turn on audio. It was just after dark. John and Ben were sitting in the gazebo like they do every single night. And I went outside and I could hear some dicks and stuff breaking about I would say 500 feet. There's, you know, there's 117 feet between where our property ends and then the ridge. And it's lightly wooded.

And then there's this opening, this clear opening, and then there's the wooded area where we hear them a lot. I can hear it coming from that direction. So I look through the, this is when we still have the thermal eye, not the flare yet, no recording case. I looked through it and I could see one over there and he I say he because I don't think that we've ever seen a female. We've heard the female, but I don't think that, I don't know, I don't think we've ever seen a female. No, we've never seen breasts or anything, you know. But so I look over and I see him kind of walking. I could see from the side view.

him kind of walking towards the ridge. And me, totally foolish, I yell out, I go, you guys, there's one right there. And so they get up and walk over and then grab the thermal eye. And he goes, oh, I see something white walking over there. And by then I think that that was the creature's head going down. I don't, I'm sure that they were very well aware that the guys were sitting there, but it didn't seem like it was observing them. or even really cared, if that makes sense.

Sometimes we'll hear them, and they're really, really close. It's just kind of like they're doing their own thing. Right, right. You know, did I send you that clip of, I think it was titled, a big branch break at John and Ben. John and Ben are in the gazebo, and it's like a two-minute clip, and you can just hear all these huge branches breaking. And I asked John, I go, did you feel flattened?

And he goes, well, no, because where we had found all these sticks that were broken, it wasn't even, there wasn't even a view of the guys. I don't know. I think that a lot of people always say, well, they were doing this to, you know, to intimidate you. They were trying to show dominance and stuff. But I bet a lot of it's just out of boredom. Yeah, that's often occasionally, especially in the more long-term situations like yours. You know, if it's more than a chance encounter.

Yeah. Yeah. Then it's a, you have there. They would come in and check out the farm. And a lot of times, I think they were just bored. Everybody that saw one, teenagers were chasing the house one evening. And they said, you know, they were banging pots, pants, trying to scare it away. And finally, they said, just kind of look.

Wow. Wow. I would be terrified if I were too, by one. Those were very common advance in that time. Yeah, they were terrified. Wow. Yeah, I, and, you know, when we first started all this and we were doing all the stupid stuff like shining flashlights in their faces and stuff.

John and Ben had gone to another area close to our house where we hear them a lot. And it was during the day and John came home and said, he goes, I feel so really uncomfortable with what we just did. And I go, what did you do? And he goes, I just felt like we were getting too close to stick structures. And I just felt like we were being watched and everything. Well, that night he goes outside. and whack, whack, just from different directions of the yard, just beaten on the trees.

And he peeps his head in the door and he goes, you've got to come out here. This is nuts. And they were just beaten the heck out of those trees telling him, you know, hey, back off. You know, we don't come that close to your stuff. We don't get up in your stuff. So he felt very threatened then, you know. so I know that there are sometimes where that is the case. That was a question I was going to ask.

Have they approached the house yet? I don't know if they... I don't know if they ever cross that fence. I'm not sure. I can't say. I think their favorite part is that ridge where the thermal one was filmed. It almost sounds like they're kind of getting comfortable with you at this point in a certain sense. It's what it sounds like.

Right? I mean, that's kind of what I'm getting out of it. It's like I almost wonder if they actually know that you're watching and they really don't care kind of at this point. I mean, it's starting to get more comfortable throughout time. It's kind of what I'm saying. And I agree. I feel like I know absolutely nothing about them still.

But I do think that there is that smidge of change. I think that they're very aware. We're aware of them, you know. They don't. And you have... Even though they don't come walking out during the day, I know that they know that we're there. When we brought home Sydney, our six-month-old from the hospital, she was a couple weeks old, and we went into the tree line because we just hadn't gone in there forever. I had her in a moby wrap in the front of me, which is kind of like a baby backpack.

And we just went into the very front of the tree line. broad daylight and we were in there for about 10 minutes we found some footprint I think you were invited over west to cast some of those but as soon as we exited the tree line I was I wasn't invited more oh you weren't that's what he's that's what he talking we he never gets invited yeah I was not invited anyway I'm sorry go ahead but As soon as we exit the tree line. That's usually why he interrupts everyone.

He gets all the attention. Yeah, whatever. He gets all the way. He gets all the attention. Woody, you can come over later. Yeah, see? There we go. As soon as we exited the tree line, we hear this,

like just this gentle whoop. It was so funny, and I turned around and smiled. You know, we were just like, what? that it was just it was cool so you know it's those little things like that every once in a while where it's just like man

we could pretty much start calling each other by first names now you know and then they'll the next day they do something and I'm just like okay I don't know anything about you guys you know and you know what that's important sir that you said that because it's funny that you said that because I was just kind of

thinking the same thing you know we've had several people in the show, they've talked about, we've heard several encounters. I've had my own personal encounter. Will has, West has as well, and as you. And it's funny how we talk to so many different people, and we get so many different stories,

and that tells me that a lot of these things have several different personalities along with kind of like ourselves. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because I talked to people that, oh, God, they wanted to kill us, and then I talked to other people, and then it's like, you want to sit down and have dinner together. And then, you know, I talk to other people, and it's kind of like, well, I don't really know where we kind of stand with them. And it's funny because, you know, talking with you, it's kind of like, you know, you kind of tell your own different personality about how you feel, how these creatures react, you know. So that's kind of cool.

Yeah. Yeah, you know, and I don't think anyone can really say what, oh, they don't do that or they do that. Because I'll hear some people say, well, I've heard that they like this or that they do this. And the ones here don't. They will not take my food. And a lot of people say, oh, just keep doing it, be persistent. And it's to the point now where it pisses me off. You know, and I was left a decapitated coyote pelt that its tail was wrapped around a tree hanging there because we were having problems with them coming into the yard.

And so completely gross and it grossed me out. But I was just like, okay, I guess I'll say thank you for this weird gift. And I put some peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in a Ziploc bag and I hung them on the barbed wire fence that the coyote pelt was by. And that they sat there and it sat there. and they were leaving little things by the bag of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to let me know that they were seeing them but they weren't taking them. And I was just like, you guys are ridiculous. Like they even hung ivy 10 feet up and it went all the way down to the ground. And I was just like, they have to have a good sense of humor, you know.

I can give you an example of that, you know, kind of messing with what they do. again, the alcohol thing, there were so many things that happened. I had a lot of radishes and he didn't like the radish. And I talked a guy at the time who was the head of the Oregon Regional Primate Center, her to come to anything with Sasquatch. So we talked on the phone and technology training. They said, if you primates, you have to observe them without interfering in what they do. If you have.

100%. So we discussed this and he says, well, I think we should bring out. I can bring out this and that. And I said, well, you know, you don't. kind of argued and as it came out he says well look okay the guy violated our agreement when he was coming out and he brought all this junk little habatchi was cooking meat

he put turnips out there a box of donuts all this stuff and what it happened was it pissed the group of a box of donuts oh my goodness so you know there's some lessons learned about primates and what I've learned over the years with all the different I mean like with people now it's not just you know that is the one thing that I've gone through everything with what I think they are.

And you know what? Someone wants to think they are. That's fine. You know, let them have their own thought. I don't like it when people pick on, you know, all these people for what they believe. Because no one really knows what they are. But personally, I've gone through all these different thoughts and they'll do something. And I'm like, okay, they're just eight.

Oh, okay, they're this, they're that, you know. And finally, about a lot. a month ago, I was just like, you know what? I think that we as people tend to overcomplicate things that are unknown. And, you know, like a lot of people that just see one take off and run so fast, they're like, it just cloked. When in reality, it's just like, no, you just don't realize how fast that thing took off. Right. And people, you know, but there's a term called when people apply human traits and character.

Exactly. That's what I'm trying to explain. That big word you just said. Yep. Right. I agree. And I think when you start thinking the right way, like just a simple way, it kind of starts to make sense. And about maybe a month or two ago, I was like, you know what? I think that they are, I don't think that they're a type of person necessarily. Maybe more intelligent than an ape.

I don't know. and this is just my thought. But the one thing that makes me go, man, I don't think that they could just be a great ape is for that reason, for their personalities and things like that. Because you can look at a dog. Yeah, you can look at a dog and you can go, okay, even though pit bulls, a lot of them, you know, are aggressive, there's a few that are nice, you still know what a pit bull's going to do. You still know what a cat's going to do.

You know what it's going to, you know, that it's going to go sit on the couch all day when you're gone. You know that it's going to go poop in the litter box, and you know what animals are going to do. I cannot predict these things for the life of me. I can't. There's a lot of gaps in the hominid. Do you think so? I think so. I think it's, I think.

Yeah. I know so many people make it really complicated. And one day my mom who's just absolutely amazing, and she's kind of living vicariously through our stories right now because she's just completely. completely fascinated. And I was trying to tell her, Mom, I think that Sasquatch is this because it does this or does this. And she goes, well, what's to stop God from just making a big foot? And I was like, yeah, you're right. Why do I have to put all of these? That's right. Things on it, you know? So. Yeah, people do things instead of just making observations. And, you know, you can do compare. You can pick. these guys do. Yeah.

Oh, one more thing I want to touch on is when you said a couple minutes ago, you said how when that guy came out and he completely interfered and you had said, you know, these creatures, you cannot interfere with them or they, you know, they do things like tar up farms. We have learned that so much in the past couple months. First Stacy Brown came out and we were out there every night, walking, and we could hear them and it just could not get thermal you know get them in view of thermal nothing and the last night stacey was here we were just all exhausted sitting in the gazebo i had gone into the house

and right from the ridge clack clack clack and i the next day i was like they want to come to us we don't need to go out there it just makes them it makes them mad it makes them go away for a while and then, you know, this past month we've been so beyond busy with fireworks and everything that it has been crazy. And last June and July were the quietest months of the year. This July has been absolutely nuts because we have not gone into that tree line one time. I learned a long time ago is one thing is you don't. We try not to.

Socializing and doing what they're doing. It's usually okay during the day. because they're, again, back to the story, but usually they would. I saw the car headlights coming. This was right at the guys. About 20 minutes later, it was pretty dark, and I see these flashlights just bobbing furiously coming down to the timber. And they throw their packs over the fence,

and the guy hops in the car and fires it up, and the woman's halfway hanging out as he's tearing out of the side of the road getting out of it. Oh, my goodness. The Sasquatches were coming down off the top of the hill. the same direction every night. We hear them scream up there, and then that would usually signal them coming down into the valley. And they happened to encounter them as they were coming down,

and it wasn't a pleasant. My friend started laughing. He says, you called that one right on the money. I said, I can watch what they're doing, you know, and know when to stay out of the way. Do you have two groups on the property, correct? Or around the property? Well, we have one group that lives on the land.

but we get, we know of another group that lives fairly close, but we get a group of like, I think that they're juvenile males, like looking for their own territory. They come through every once in a while, and they don't go behind our house where this group lives, but they go to the perimeter, and they're scary. I wouldn't want to encounter them. They're probably looking for females.

The juvenile group that is around the property that never actually crosses over the boundary of where the group that you're familiar with. The juvenile group that is around the property, when you say they're kind of scary, what do you mean by that? I mean, can you kind of go into – You know, I shouldn't say that because I don't want people to think that they're monsters, but they're just kind of cocky. I always say that they're hood. We'll hear them during the day – and it's every couple months, you know, I don't know how often they're – around or how close they wander regularly, but we'll hear them like during the day.

And I'm just like, man, there's people that can hear you right now. And they'll just be hooting and hollering across the street. I have one audio clip of where I was in the front and I was whistling across the street because we hear them over there a lot. I was getting whistled back and the whistle was getting closer. And this was after dark, closer and closer. and then I whistle and directly across the street. Like it couldn't have been two feet past that tree line.

I got the most crazy vocal. And I thought the Sasquatch was going to step right out. It was just right there. But I believe that was one of them. I should send you guys that audio clip. It kind of sounded like a weird elephant type. Oh, man. It's really odd sound.

Interesting to hear that. Yeah, it's a good one. I'll send it to you as soon as we get off their phone. But also that turf war's clip that I sent you, which is one of my favorites is that group. The ones that are banging on the trees and going, oh, and that's that group, right on the perimeter of the property. That's a good time to play that one, West. Did you want to let the listeners hear that one? I want to get through some of your audio clips, but can you kind of tell us what?

what was going on there? Oh, man, you tell me. They, you know, the two weeks before that clip, John and I were like, okay, because we kind of base what they possibly eat on a bear. And that time of year there's no berries. Salmon's not, you know, in the river yet. And, you know, that there doesn't seem to be as much deer, elk, whatever. I'm so not an outdoorsy person. So bear with me. but it doesn't seem like there's, excuse me, much food around at that time. And we were like, man, they're just, like, the craziest behavior. And during the day, like, just almost like they were eating mushrooms or something or, you know, getting into someone's beer or something, I don't know.

And then that clip. So you're saying Fastwatch is tripping at this point is what you're saying. Totally, that's what I'm saying. I have no clue. And that's why I said, do you think they have a mating season? Because they were acting so weird and loud. And we didn't hear a peep from the female, not even on audio, not a peak, nothing. Then when I heard that cliff, I was just like, man, do they have a mating season?

And they were coming to seek out that female. What's going on here, you know? I know we're running short on time, but I wanted to play a couple more of your sounds. This one's called the big guy, gibberish, and female response. And it looks like it's a 5X. That is, we call him big guy because of his voice, I think that that's an alpha male. And we have him talking to the female on many occasions. And I love that clip because all she does is goes, mm-hmm.

And then we have other clips of her doing the same thing with the one that we call the yip yeller. He always yells yip at us. But she's either going, mm-hmm, or she sounds like she's nagging. I don't know. We don't hear much from her, you know. But when we do, she's just either agreeing or nagging. Could you hear her at the end? I mean, it didn't sound like a known animal, but it's kind of hard to pick up.

How far away do you think they were at the time when they were doing that? I think that they were either, do you hear that? Yeah, I heard that one too. Yeah. Oh, they do really bad impressions of the cows. Like the cows are down there. I don't know if you can hear the cows because it's kind of far away, but the cows are mooing, and then you get that.

And it's just cows don't have lungs like that. They're really bad at some impressions, but they're geniuses with others. Yeah, they are imitators, definitely. Oh, for sure. And one time David Ellis and I heard them, we heard a crow. And then a couple minutes later we heard, caw, call, and we were like, caw? That's all you've got?

It was just such an awful, awful impersonation. I got the yip-heller vocals loaded up. Let me go ahead and play that one real quick. Wow, that's creepy. Yeah, he's the vocal one for sure. We have a clip that's like seven minutes, and we're all talking. And from really far away, you can hear, yep, yep, and it just gets closer and closer. And we're completely oblivious to it the entire time.

And it's to the point where he's louder than us. That last clip that you played, didn't that sound like similar to the samurai chowder type thing? That's what I would say to them, too. It actually reminded me of What was those sounds going on in the Blue Mountains And the guy goes out and he shoots He fires off a couple shots And after the third shot

You hear this, yeah, you hear him like scream something And you can't quite make out what he's screaming Well, you know what I was just thinking How many people have we heard say that they It sounds like that's kind of what it made me think of To us it sounds like deaf Indians Yeah and a lot of people have said that I've heard a lot of people say that.

Like a deaf person or deaf Indians or... Right, right. Yeah. You know what I think we should do? I think we should take that noise and play it backward and see what it says. This isn't a lead-z-up. Oh, what are you such a submissive thing to say? Oh.

Oh, we're going. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Do you see why it never gets invited anywhere? Do you see one no one walks him around Woody has the guest beating him up though Play it back

You know what I'm going to do I'm just going to see here and look pretty The rest of the show, okay guys And Dallas Yeah that one That guy's our most vocal And I think that he's a He reminds me of like a 20-something

That has a cress on his high school teacher Now I got two last Clips to play, I got the female, and I got the big guy gibberish. Should I play the big guy gibberish first? Do you think, sir? Yeah, it's that same growly voice. Okay, I'll play that real quick. And I'm curious, sir, before I play the brown female one, on what you guys called the big guy,

have you heard, as best would describe it is like a lion's war? Have you heard him do that? Oh, yeah. That was the first recording I got. Yes. massive lungs. Because when he yells, it's just, it's that loud. But you know what's funny?

I think that if you guys listen to that war cries, one that I sent, his howl, which we catch on audio all the time. I probably have 30 clips of it. His howl is very high. When Phil Poling was here, he's like, he's not a female howling, but I think that it's alpha male. Yeah, that voice is not tough. Yeah, it is. I was curious about the Lions War if you've

Because you know, recordings never really do justice when you're right there in the moment hearing it. I'm sure, because Woody and I've heard the Lions Rory and Will's heard different vocals and when you hear it, you're sitting there listening to it they're like, oh my God, this is amazing. I'm sure if we would have caught it on recording you probably couldn't have heard anything, but

except for us squealing like little girls after we heard it. Yeah. But when you hear it, you're just like, oh my God, I can't. Like, what in the world is that? It sounds like a lion up there just going off. And so I was just kind of curious if you've heard that before or not. So I'm glad that you have. A lot of people report that. Yeah, the very first recording we got was that. The very last part of that, it sounds like he's singing. You'll have to listen to it again. It's pretty funny.

Strange. Yeah, I have to go back and listen to that. I know we're running short on time. The last one I'll play is the brown female. Yeah, those ones creep me out. John actually heard that. And he came inside and he goes, it sounds like there's kids singing or something in the tree line.

It's creeping me out. Sounds like there's kids down there. And it was pretty late. I had posted that and sent it to a few people saying, have you guys ever heard this? you know, because it was a very high activity time, very high activity. And it was a time where we were picking her up, you know, a lot more than usual as well. And someone wrote me back and said that their girlfriend saw a female Sasquatch down in a canyon

and she was walking along the, you know, kind of like a ridge type thing in a canyon, you know, and she was, it looked like she was singing and she sounded just like that. So, I don't know. It's creepy. And I think that the reason it's more creepy sounding is the echo, you know, because she was down in the valley. Yeah, that is strange. I don't know. Those ones weird me out.

Have you heard them mimic you or John yet? I don't know. I, man. There's sometimes where I feel like I'll hear, because I come out here a lot by myself. on the ridge and I feel like I'll hear someone back at the house call my name and I'll go back you know I'll go towards the house and I'll go did you say something and no one did so I have to say no because I can't be definitive about anything but we have a couple audio clips of them saying what sounds like Sarah, which weirds me out.

Yeah. Really weirds me out? I've heard that. Really? Oh, yeah. Are you serious? I never hear people say that, so I don't share that very often because that's one of those things and I'm just like, this is kind of, and I know a lot of those audio clips are weird anyways, but that's one of those things that I'm like, saying my name, you're kind of crossing the line there, you know? Yep. Mike from Siege of Hanabi would go out and call his dogs that night.

And I've actually heard Kumbo and Bear, I don't know if you've heard them on the show. They talked a lot about this too, but Mike from Siege of Hanabi would go out and he'd call for his dogs every night. And one day he was gone and his brother and his dad were sitting out in the front yard. And they heard Mike calling for his dogs. Mike was at work. Mike wasn't even at home. And they heard him from the forest calling for his dogs. I've heard Ron Horhead say that.

I heard... Did it sound like him? He said it kind of sounded like him. They were thrown off at first because they thought it was him out in the woods. They're like, what the world? Yeah, they were like, what in the world is he doing out in the woods calling for the dogs? And Kumbos talked about that a lot, too. He said they would mimic him calling for his dogs.

It sounded like a deaf person mimicking him, but he said they would mimic him. Wow. Him calling for his dogs. So I was just curious if you've heard that. It's not crazy, to be honest with you. I've heard it more times. Not just me, we've heard it more times than I care to. I should send you this clip now that we're talking about the creepy stuff.

But one time I was left flowers on the stump. I had painted some sticks that I found one time that I saw it look like a juvenile had played with them. We found it by a print. And I painted some sticks and left them. and there were some flowers. There were actually weeds that were left in the middle of this stump. And a couple of nights later, we hear one go flowers on audio, and it creeps me out. It could just be one of those, because the S kind of has like this, kind of like a whistle.

You know when someone has like the missing bottom teeth and their S's kind of go, that's what the S does. So it could just be one of those coincidence sounds that, you know, but it sure sounds like flowers. It kind of weirds me out. And the Sasquatch is right by the audio recorder when he does it. Jesus. Poor John. Yeah.

Imagine a Sasquatch bringing your white flowers, and then you've got to hear about how squash brings their flowers, and you never bring her flowers. That's a real competition you don't want. Yeah. The next day he goes and buys a huge liquid truck. I'd love to do a show from there just on site with you guys and even if nothing happens to be cool to be on site, yeah

Yeah, anytime you guys want to come, come out there Just try to pick a day that's not too windy I'd love to come out and pick your brain I think you know more about these creatures than you realize Sarah I know you pass it off like Oh yeah I think you probably know more than you realize on Yeah.

I'd love to pick your brain on a lot of things. But I think you, I don't think you give yourself enough credit. I think you know a lot more than you realize. I'd like to think I, I'm such a huge animal lover, like such a huge animal lover that I think that I can tend to be more empathetic maybe towards them than a lot of, than a lot of people are. if that makes any sense. So maybe when it comes to their behavior, maybe I know a little tiny, tiny bit more than I give myself credit for it. But I just said the other day to John,

I said there's two things I know for sure about Sasquatch. One, they exist. Two, you can't predict anything about them. We let you go. And I hate to do this to you, but I hate to ask the question that I'm going to ask it. It's a total generic question. but sir what is your thoughts as far as what do you think Bigfoot really is I mean oh man because I mean you've had so many it sounds like you've had several different

encounters you've heard the audio sound it mimics you and your family and it sounds like you're out in your backyard and you've experienced the different personalities from from talking to you that the different personalities the Sasquatch has. Where do you stand? What do you think? First, I don't think that's generic at all. That's like one of my favorite questions to ask people, because people have such different perceptions of what they do, you know.

But anyways, I have not a clue. My views have changed so much on them. Man, the one thing that makes me good. So maybe they're not just a great ape is the personality thing. They're too diverse. They're just funny. Like I feel like the yip-yeller one. I think that he has a crush on me.

And that sounds completely nuts. It actually doesn't sound crazy at all. I've heard that a lot too, believe you or not. I think it's hilarious. but, you know, dogs aren't like that. And it's things like that that, then I'm just like, man, you're just a little bit too intelligent to just be this great eight. So I have not a clue. I kind of stopped trying to figure it out because I know that I'll never get anywhere.

I'll just get frustrated with it. I like to two other people's views on it. Do I think that they go in and out of dimension? no not a chance the the ones that we have here are living they're breathing creatures whether they're a type of human or ape i don't know but do they cloak no they walk around they beat on trees they yell at us throw rocks in the creek they don't do anything that's that's spiritual so that i completely rule out at least for the ones here i don't know what other people are, you know, seeing or whatever.

I think that was well said. Yeah, I don't like to make fun of anyone. And, you know, I do believe in a spiritual world. I know that that stuff exists. So I don't know if there's different things that people are seeing. I don't know. But as for this situation, they're a living, breathing creature. I mean, you look at that thermal footage and he's staring at cows, you know,

and it's picking up his body heat. if anyone can answer that question, I'll be the first to listen if they can say, you know, what they are for sure. You made the comment to where you think maybe one of them had a crush on you and you thought it was kind of funny. You might want to be a little more serious about that just because from everybody that we've talked to, especially the male ones, they like women and people tend to disappear. So, you know, just be careful. Just be careful. That's all I'm saying. And if you go out there, don't take you. You know, and I'm not telling you what to do or any of that, you need your business or any of that.

But just be careful. No, you know, I agree. And I think that people are wrong when they say, oh, they're all sweet and they're our friends. You know, they would never harm anyone. No, that's not true. I do think that the family that lives here, I think that they're very sweet and very peaceful.

And I think that they have got a few stories that kind of keep to myself. you know, that there's been a few times like the Cougar story where I feel like they were, you know, watching out for us or the decapitated coyote. But it's still a wild animal. I'll never, I'll never get to hug it. I'll never get to, like, pet it or anything. You know, it's still a wild animal with wild tendencies. So I agree with you. And I think people need to be a little bit careful when they say that they're all friendly.

because they're not. Yeah, that's the thing. They're wild creatures is the bottom line. I know we're out of time, and I wanted to thank you for coming on the show, and I wanted to thank you for sharing everything you have going on there, and thank you for inviting us up. We're definitely going to take you up on the offer. But I just wanted to just take a second to thank you for coming on

and sharing all your audio with us and sharing all your stories with us. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I love, love, love, love your show. So I appreciate that. We appreciate that. I'm totally honored to be on. And if you guys come out here, we'll do another live one.

Hopefully get some good live audio, too. I can't wait. Yeah, do it anytime. And activity is awesome right now. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it too. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, definitely be in touch with you, sir.

Okay, and I'll send you some of those audio clips that I was talking about tonight. I'll send some of those to you guys tomorrow. Sounds good. And even if maybe me and Woody can make arrangements to come up, and then in September I'd like to get Will up there too. Oh, perfect. You guys should come up before then, though. Yeah, me and Woody will probably swing up that way.

Okay. Cool. Well, thanks again, guys. Oh, thank you. All right. Have a good one. You too. I'm everybody here at Sasquatch Chronicles.

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