Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:421 Chased out of the woods

Episode Date: April 8, 2018

Tonight I will be welcoming Jeremey to the show. He describes activity around his property and finding tracks. A little bit later, Jeremey and his friend decided to go camping not far from his property and something roared at them. They left all of their camping supplies behind and left as fast as they could. They decided to go back and get all of the camping gear the next day and found tracks of something very large, Jeremey said "It looked like a human track but just on a large scale." They decided the next day they would follow where the tracks were going. They came up into an area in the woods when all hell broke loose. Jeremey said "as we came around the corner we could hear talking but it sounded like gibberish than everything went silent….something screamed at us and it came from three different directions and whatever these things were they started knocking trees over. We ran and I have never ran this fast in my life as we came down the trail this thing stood up on the side of the trail and I could see it from the chest up and it was huge. It wasn't a monkey or human I wasn't sure what it was but it was about 10 feet from me and it screamed at me. I really thought I was dead…." The incident took place in Maine.

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was a horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me, and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatchewatry. Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. I'm going to be talking to Jeremy, who comes to us from Poland, Maine. And Jeremy had a very terrifying encounter where him and a buddy of his were actually run out of the woods.

but there's a couple other things that led up to that. So he'll be going into that tonight. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, get additional shows. You can become a member. A lot of cool stuff on the site. If you get a chance, I hope you check it out.

Sasquatch Chronicles.com. How's everyone doing tonight? Thank you again for listening. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Jeremy to the show. Jeremy, thanks for coming on. Well, thanks for having me. You have an awesome show.

Yeah, no, I appreciate you coming on. And I know you had an encounter in Maine, but there was a lot of other things that kind of built up to your encounter. If you would, would you kind of start from the beginning and then we'll eventually walk into you guys being chased out of the woods? Sure. My dad bought a house in Poland, Maine, and we had just moved in in the fall.

We had been there a couple of months. I want to say early winter, but there was snow on the ground. The previous owners had had a pool, a above ground pool that they had left, and they probably hadn't used it in a couple of years, but it was full of water, and of course it was frozen. We got up. I shared a room with my brother. We heard a loud, loud bang coming from outside,

and kind of a grunt. And I was only six at the time. We didn't dare look out the window. We ran and called for my dad. He was sleeping. He didn't get up. So we got dressed later on the day and we went outside and I went to the pool and there were footprints in the snow. And they were huge.

And I had no idea what Bigfoot was. I didn't, you know, I mean, never crossed my. mind. I'm only, you know, a young kid. But I remember asking my father, you know, why are their footprints in the snow? And he said, ah, somebody probably got drunk and, you know, came down and and I pointed there was a huge dent side of this pool, maybe, you know, two inches deep. It was just crushed right in, caved right in. I looked at it and I looked at him. I said, I just somebody was drunk. And that was the end of that. And so. And there were bare, like bare human footprints? Yeah, I mean, that's the only way you could describe it.

They were feet, you know, but they were big. They were huge. And again, I had no idea what big foot was or, you know, I'm just a kid. And I just looked at my dad like, really? Why would somebody be doing that? But it didn't register. Nothing. You know, I'm a young kid.

It was just, I thought it was really weird. To set the scene a little bit in the growing up as a kid, there's blueberry, strawberry, raspberry, bushes all over the place. And I would spend, especially summer vacations, you know, I'd be outside from the morning until it started to get dusk. And I'd go out sometimes alone, sometimes when my buddies, we'd build forts in the woods

and do all kinds of things. There would be times that I would hear, looking back on it, you know, I'd hear grunts. There would be structures built in the woods and if I wasn't with my friend, I'd go up to him and I'd ask me, hey, did you come over here and did you build this? And 90% of the time, it's like, no, I wasn't even, I didn't go out today. I didn't do anything today. There was also, see, I never experienced any smell.

And I hear a lot of those smells. What I did experience was a musky dog, like a really, really wet dog smell. And that never dawned on me because my buddy had, had, they raised. Irish setters, not Irish setters. And they were springers, spring spaniels, spring of spaniels. And I'd go to certain places and they'd be a really, you know, strong wet dogs. So I just thought it was his dogs. And there were several times I asked him and he said, no, I didn't bring my dogs out and I didn't go out today.

So stuff like that would happen a lot, you know, because I spent all my time in the woods. So one summer, I was probably, I want to say 15, me and my buddy decided to go camping. And we had, we took our tent out. I took my dog and she was part Siberian Husky. She's a really, really, really loyal dog. I didn't need a leash for her. She stayed right beside me at all times. We went out, we set up the tent.

We made a campfire. We didn't start or anything. put the rocks down. As soon as we got done that, my dog's tail went underneath her. And she's just kind of stood there. As soon as she did that, a tree probably 100 yards away came down the top of it. We could see it. And there was a roar. And I don't know how to explain it. My buddy looked at me. I looked at him. I looked at my dog. My dog took off. and ran. And the funny thing about it is, as she's running, she was actually looking at me.

Like, are you coming with me, dummy? Yeah. And she took off. And they, like I said earlier, they found her two towns over. It was about a week and a half, two weeks later. As that happened, me and my buddy took off. And we ran. We didn't run the same direction the dog ran in.

But we left the camping. You know, my dad had bought me an LLB. tent at all the, you know, cooking stuff. We left everything there. I came back the next day with my buddy to get it. And, you know, we didn't see anything. We didn't hear anything at that time. That roar that you talk about, I've heard that one time. Actually, two times I've heard it. And it's hard to describe to people. I mean, and I'm not going to try to make it because you sound. Yeah. No, I'm not asking you do that. You know, what I thought it sounded like, and maybe you have a different opinion, I thought it sounded like a lion.

I mean, it was guttural. Very gutterly, yeah. Vibrating, just thinking about it, gets me a little, it's definitely weird. Deep. Does that make sense? Yeah, very deep. Yeah, I had it recorded one time, and I ended up breaking that iPhone by mistake. but I know exactly what you mean, and it does go through you.

I don't care what anyone says. Your dog is smart. Your dog's like, I'm out of here. She was great. She really was. And I'm glad we got her back. But she, I mean, to this day, I can picture her. And she literally, she's running forward, but her head is looking right at me.

Like, are you coming? I'm out of here. And so that. That was that instance. And nothing was touched? None of your equipment was touched or anything. No, none of it. None of it.

Just looking back at it, I think it was a, you know, get away from here type of thing. Just leave me alone. I wanted to ask you, before we get into the chase encounter, how far away from you was this thing when it roared? Well, the tree was about 100 yards away because I could see the top of it, but only the very tip moving. And then, you know what I'm saying? I didn't, the forest was pretty thick there. I don't know what it is in the northwest, but we don't have a lot of open. I'm not saying we don't have a lot of open, but this particular area had a lot of brush, you know, bushes and stuff like that.

that wasn't, you know. It wasn't like miles away, though. I mean, this thing was right there. Yeah. Because, you know, when I heard it, it was probably, I'm going to say, a quarter of a mile away, wow, maybe half a mile. And we could hear it, and it scared the crap out of me when I heard it. I can't even imagine being 100 feet from one of these things and having it roar right at you.

You know what I mean? It was, so me and my buddy knew something was there. You know, obviously. So this was probably near the end of summer. We decided to go out and try to, you know, we're kids, we're teenagers, we're full of piss and vinegar. So we made a plan. We were going to skip school and he was going to grab his father's weapon.

I was going to grab mine, my dad's, and we were going to go look for it. and in hindsight that was pretty stupid but um we we spent the day we we we hiked uh all over the place we went to the spot where we had attempted to camp and we're like we're not seeing anything it was it was getting late our parents are going to get home we wanted to get home before you know to put the shotgun in the rifle bag before you know they got home and we we started coming down the hill and there was there were patches of It was so it was late enough in spring where, you know, there wasn't, there wasn't snow other than, you know, small patches here and there. We had literally started turning around and started, we were just giving up.

And there was a, there was a footprint in the snow. And it was huge. And we just looked at each other like, man, there, there's something here. There is. So we did go home because, again, our parents were going to be home pretty soon. and we said we're going to skip school tomorrow. And so we met, right? You know, my parents went to work.

We grabbed the weapons. We started hiking again. And we saw, you know, we made a mental note where the footprint was headed. And we started, we started hiking that way. We probably went a mile. And I know this is going to sound crazy. but we were in a whole area of pines and there were hardwood branches

in the pine brows. They were pointing a certain direction and we're like, wow, that's weird. So we started going that direction and we were falling that direction. And we came to a hardwood area and they were, you know, it was just, it was just the opposite. There was all hardwood and there were pine brows in the in the branches.

They were pointing the same direction. So we kept hiking that. And it was just really weird because it wasn't a pine tree when we were in the hardwood section and there wasn't any pine or hardwood when we're in the pine section. Does that make any sense? Yeah. So there are obviously for you're in the hardwood section and there's like a pine branch that was placed in the road.

Pine branches and they were, you know, I want to say 12 to 10 to 16 feet up in the air. I mean, they were taller than a man could get. You know, you could throw them up there, I guess, but they were all specifically pointing in one direction. It really looked like they were placed there. Now, Mother Nature is weird. Maybe, you know. Yeah, still strange, you know. It's, I mean.

It was weird to us. Yeah. Because you look around and there was no pine trees. But there's a, there's a, you know, a limb from a pine tree up in the tree that high. I'm getting nervous even talking about this now, and I sound stupid. No, you don't sound stupid at all, man. I know this was kind of a, well, it was a dramatic event. And I think anyone in your position would be terrified.

I mean, I would. I'm a big strong guy. You know, I don't like to admit that I'm, you know, that I'm scared or anything. But, you know, you come across these things and you do get scared. I mean, if you don't, there's something wrong with you. I'm going to tell you something. I was in the Marine Corps for four years as a military policeman. And during that four years, I was never, I never felt this way.

And I was in some pretty hairy situations, you know. I can imagine. I can imagine. So you're seeing these sayings, and it appears to you that it's being pointed in a certain direction. and yeah what happens next um we're following it we're going in that direction we come to i don't i'm trying to describe this so you understand it it was a little ravine and it in it like you know a wash but it's it wasn't that deep it was you know probably only one to two feet you know and a little banking on each side but it wasn't deep i don't want you to think it was deep

we start climbing up because we're still going up you know i say mountain here but i again like i told you earlier you guys have mountains we have hills but we you know so we're still headed up the the mountain and um we hear talking it was it was it was it was like a chattering we had both stopped um And the only in years later Because we didn't have the internet back then you know I couldn't sit there and pull something up and kind of compare it to what it sounded like But it was almost like samurai chattering it was Um Really quick it was

You know I thought we had You know come across you know maybe some lumberjacks or something you know clearing something And we just stopped and listen but it didn't sound like that. It wasn't, I couldn't understand what they were saying. It was gibberish, if that makes sense. Yeah. Just then, a tree to the right side of us, a tree to the left side of us, and a tree in front of us. And let me backtrack, because it went silent. It went completely silent. We heard it, we stopped, and then it was just silence. And it was like, me and my buddy were just looking at each other.

and then right after that these three trees came down and it was it was almost simultaneously it was almost it's just all um and as soon as you know because you're looking around and you see the the tips of these trees coming you know i'm i didn't see i could hear you know he's looking in one direction i'm looking at another and we're both and then we both turn to look forward and you can you can see these trees and you can hear them and then And there was screams from three directions, intense, kind of like we heard that summer. But in three different spots, I've never, I mean, it was. Got real, real quick at that moment, I would imagine. Yeah. Trees are being knocked down. You're being screamed up. We had weapons on us and there was no thought or cognizant thought of actually doing anything with any, any weapon whatsoever.

I mean, it was just complete terror. You know, we went from, you know, we're going to go hunt something or, you know, with that false bravado to scared out of our minds. I looked at my buddy and I said we gotta get out of here and he said yeah I know I took a step backwards he took a step

he dropped to the ground meanwhile the ground is literally shaking because whatever pushed those trees down was running towards us and I say towards us because that's my perception they could have been

they wanted us out of there I mean, that's what I gathered. He fell to the ground. I picked him up. I carried him probably three or four steps. I mean, I just swooped him up. He goes, I can do this. I got it.

I got it. And we proceeded to run with all our might down this hill and feeling whatever's around us, the ground. And I can't emphasize this enough. The ground felt like it was vibrating. shaking there there was hollering the whole time that never ceased that never stopped we we finally made it out of the it was all woods but we finally made it to a logging trail and again like i said earlier you know the old logging trails haven't been used for a while they kind of bend and water you know shapes them a little bit corrode yeah and um we're coming down the logging trail

And there's a berm where there's a corner. Sorry. No, you're right. As I'm going around the corner, I look to the right side of me and a head pops up. And I don't know how to emphasize this. And we didn't have the Internet so I could go and look at 4,000 pictures of what people think of Bigfoot or, you know, this was nothing. It wasn't what I expected. It wasn't what I had in my mind's eye of what big foot would look like.

All I saw was from the chest up. It was huge. It had a had a conical head. And when I say conical, it wasn't, you know, big conical. It wasn't a huge conical, but it was pointed a little bit. And it was red. It was a cinnamon red, I would say. And it screamed. It screamed at me. It looked at me. I made eye contact and just let out, I remember its teeth. Its teeth were square. And we just ran. There's an old, where it used to be a train. They used to have a train track, and they took the train track out. So it's an old dirt road. We got to that point, probably a quarter mile from my house. And it stopped. They stopped.

They stopped chasing us. Do you think that all of them were chasing you? I mean, I realize this is kind of a blur-type moment. But do you think they were chasing you guys? Before you ran into that one, do you think that they were actually running you guys down? Yeah, I do. Absolutely. I think there was at least three that were, because as we're running down the hill,

we could hear them on, let me say this. I know that there was one on each side of us. Because they were not making any bones about, you know, being quiet or trying to be quiet. They were letting us know that they were right there. The brush was, I remember running and just hearing both sides, just something, you know, tromping through the woods, fought matching us. And I can't tell you if the one that was in front of us when this all started was chasing us at that point. I know that there was one on each side of us. I gotcha.

And when the one popped up, how far away from you was this creature? 10 feet. Oh, wow. Really close. Yeah. Can you describe what you saw for the audience as far as its face? I realize you're seeing it from out the chest up. I remember the black eyes.

I remember the teeth. The teeth were square. The nose was kind of flared out. The nostrils were open. The thing that surprised me was the color, because I had always imagined or thought, you know, other than reading books and stuff, it was, it was, you know, black or brown. The shoulders were huge. I honestly can't remember the years.

I don't remember the years at all. I remember that there wasn't a lot of hair on the face. It was almost like a gorilla to me, but not, if that makes sense. You know, I know this sounds crazy. No, I mean, so it kind of had, did it have kind of. It was kind of leathery. It was definitely very leathery. It was just intense, intimidating.

Would you say, I realize you say like a gorilla, but not. When you say but not, did it have any human features when you looked at this thing? Well, the face looked human, but it looked. it didn't look exactly like a grilling. I'm not trying to say that it did. It was definitely, I guess if you took, somebody did a drawing on your website, and you had it up probably a month ago.

And it was just a drawing, but that was the closest thing I've ever seen to what I saw. I can't remember who did the drawing for you. But it was on the website for a while, or maybe it was on one of the other. episodes they had posted up. I mean, looking at this thing, all I saw was anger. It really wasn't, it didn't, it wasn't exactly like, I mean, it was definitely a cross

between a gorilla and a man. I got you. Okay. And I don't, and I know I'm not giving you much here. It's hard to explain these things to someone who hasn't seen them. I get what you mean. Because they do, if you're going to compare it to something, you might say gorilla. but if you, a lot of people have seen the face and everything, they'll say, but it wasn't a gorilla.

It was very different. Yeah. But I think their stature and their size makes us think gorilla. You know, I mean, it's just this big bulking. This thing was huge. It was huge. The shoulders on it, I remember just, I just, it popped up and instantly started screaming and all I thought was I'm dead. I'm dead because it didn't matter.

you know, not that I was thinking of the weapon I had on me, because I honestly wasn't. It's a, and I've tried to explain this to my wife that, you know, when you have a weapon on you, in the woods, you think you're invincible. You do until you run into these things. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't even a thought. And I, okay, since then, I joined the Marine Corps. And again, I, you know, I know I'm a lot better at weapons than I was.

I don't think I would even think of it. I mean, it was just, yeah, it was too scary. I couldn't, I wouldn't have been able to make a conscious decision. I mean, other than flee. And I don't know if that's something I should be saying to everybody, but the intensity of it was unlike anything I've ever known, felt, or experienced in my life. And hopefully, never again. Yeah, I don't blame you. And so what happens next to you guys, so this thing screams at you guys.

do you immediately just take off running? We're still running. This is all happening. Oh, I got you. I'm going around the front, you know, the log, old logging road, it pops up, it screams. The sighting was probably probably, you know, three seconds because I'm, you know, I see him pop up to my right side. I look, and I'm still running. There's no stopping me unless he's physically putting me down.

my legs are moving. I look over and as I'm running by it, I'm still hauling and that's what I saw in that amount of time. You know, probably 400 yards after that, we come to the old train road. And then there's a little river with a bridge. We cross that and we start. We're not far from my house at this point. And it seemed like once we hit that road, not that we stopped running because we did not. it seemed like there was no more chase.

It was just, it stopped right there. Did you, did you tell anyone about this about your encounter? Yeah. And this really, you know, as you go through life, you know, you think maybe I was crazy, maybe, you know, you know, I was sitting, this was just a couple of years ago. I was sitting at a campfire with some friends and one of my other buddies knew about it. He goes, tell the story, tell the story. So I told the story again. And, you know, I'm pretty selective of who I tell or try to be because you sound nuts, especially being in Maine.

You know? Yeah. They look at you like, you have four heads. I told the story. There was a girl who was like two grades below me in the school in Poland. She started crying. And I was like, what's wrong? I didn't mean to scare you.

She goes, my father just passed away. And I was like, oh, I'm sorry that, you know, I hope I didn't do that. She's, you know, say anything to trigger anything. She goes, well, kind of because all as a kid, her father would tell her that him and his brother, so it would be her uncle, were hunting and would see this creature. And it was red, had reddish, you know, reddish hair. And they're from Poland. Her dad would tell her that she had to be home before dark.

She could not walk to her cousin's house, which was a mile away in the dark at all. It had to be during the day and just would give her all these rules. And she was crying because she thought that he was just making this stuff up. You know, just to keep them safe, you know, just come in when it gets dark and, you know, what parents do. So that made me feel really good about the validity of, you know, the evening because it was a shame. it was the same color. Her dad had said that it had a conical head, which, you know, so. I understand what you mean.

I mean, you feel like there's moments after an encounter when you, and I think all of us go through this where we think to ourselves, God, am I losing it? You know, did I, it's kind of like Anthony was saying on last Sunday's show. He's like, did I have a breakdown? You know what I mean? And I think all of us kind of go through that of like, am I just having a meltdown? not, you know, I'm losing, losing my grip on reality. That being said, you know, I, I, I've talked to my buddy that was with me through this.

He, you know, I said, I want to talk about this. I want to tell this because this is, you know, this happened. And he goes, you know, you can. I just, I don't want to be, you know, involved in it. And I'm like, why? And he's a deacon in a, in a church. And, you know, he has his own business. And so I get, I get that. but I looked at him. I said, well, am I crazy? Did this not happen? He goes, no, it happened. It happened. I think about it all the time. You know, so it makes you wonder if you should, you know, I should open my mouth, you know, and I think Maine is a hotbed for this stuff. I think that I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. And it's funny you mentioned that because you and you and I were joking about this earlier and I was telling you, you said Poland. Yeah. And I knew exactly what you were talking about. about because I don't think the audience has ever heard of Poland, Maine, I guess, unless you're from Maine. I don't like anyone, but I had a guy who contacted me, and he kept saying Poland, and I was like, you ran into the same Poland? And he goes, no, Poland, Maine. And so when you called me, I knew exactly

where it was at. I mean, I even know a little bit about the town. I told my wife that, and she was like, wow. I mean, and it floored me. Because like I said, even the brother of my friend who was with me for this said that he saw one, you know, a mile and a half away from the house I grew up in crossed the road. You know, I don't know. I, you know, it feels great to get it off my chest. Yeah, and I'm really glad that you shared it. I mean, God, that's like Planet of the Apes right there, man. I mean, them knocking down trees and God, what a terror, terror moment of your life. I believe, I believe wholeheartedly they use, you know, trees and stuff as, you know, signs or signals to other.

It floored me because I'm thinking, you know, one big foot. And I know I know that we we had three of them, at least three of them around us at the time. Do you think they, do you think they were trying to harm you? No. I think if we would have stopped, if I would have pulled out a weapon or, you know, like I said, just stop and not leave the area. I think we'd be dead. I believe that with all my heart. That being said, you know, they wanted us out.

And it was almost by the by the chatter that we first heard, it sounded like a group. And then when we realized it wasn't because my, but the first thought is you don't want to go, you know, mythical wood creature. You want to go a group of vloggers or,

you know, that's what you want to think. Yeah. It's what your mind forces you to think. because you want to rationalize things. Yeah, you don't go with what makes the most sense. I get it, yeah. But it wasn't.

What we heard were multiple. So if they were talking, there's no way that, and maybe there is a way. I don't know, but I don't believe there's a way that one could have got to the right and left of us within a matter of two seconds, three seconds. So I honestly believe there were more than three. Have you ever gone back to that area

were you where this happened? I've never went back to the actual, I've never made it that far. I went to where the, the, a past where the berm is, where I saw it, I went, I went probably a quarter mile past that. And I've looked, you know, weather's going to take its toll. We're talking, you know, 20 years ago. But where the berm was right now, this thing, in my estimation, it had to be at least 10 feet. because the back of the berm where the ground was, where the head came up,

it had to be that big in my mind. Yeah, and it's interesting hearing the talking, and you've heard, I have it here, the Ron Moorhead, the Sierra sounds. Did it sound like that? Yeah, but it wasn't as loud. It was kind of, it was quieter. it was almost an attempt. It seemed like attempt because we had to,

we heard it and we stopped and we had to listen to it. And it wasn't whispering, but it wasn't, you know, if me and you were arguing right now, you know, in clear voices and talking normally, it didn't seem like that.

It seemed quieter. Kind of like they were trying to whisper, not really a whisper, but talk at low tones, yeah. And again, I know this sounds crazy. I do. No, it doesn't really sound as crazy as you might think.

But it did have that ring of this kind of the same tone as the recording of the Ron Moorhead. Yeah. When I heard that for the first time, I'm at the back of my, you know, my arm hairs were standing. Yeah, it makes you wonder what you walked into, you know, if you walked into, if this is where they were set up and chilling for the day or if you walked into, you know. That is a million dollar question because I've racked my brain over that for years. For years, I thought about, you know, what do we walk into? You know, I thought about going back out there this summer, but I know they put a couple of trailer parks in that area, not right there, but probably at about two miles away. So it's a little more developed.

I don't know if they're still there. I would imagine they would be. You know, Poland isn't really, I mean, you know more than I do. I'm talking like I'm from Poland or something. But Poland isn't that, and I looked this up a long time ago, and I know it has under 10,000 people. I don't, I think the last sentence was back in 2010 or something where they had 5,000 people. But there's not a lot of people there, man.

It's not. No. That being said, and again, that's where I'm going to Maine, you know, about or talking about Maine. I just don't, people don't talk about it. You're talking one million people in a state that could fit all of Southern, you know, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island into the state. And people don't get that. Yeah. And the other thing, too, about Maine, that's why I'm really glad that you came on, Jeremy, because I've talked to a lot of people from Maine. And I will say Maine, Louisiana, and, like, Kentucky.

Those are the states to where you almost have to be good friends with someone or family in order for them to tell you what happened to them. They just will not. And I don't know why it's why it's that way because I think there's way more that goes on in Maine than you'll find on the internet with reports. I promise you. I mean, I've talked to, and I'm going to tell you something, you know, I'm 43 years old. And the people I've talked to, I've known. I have to know you in some capacity. I don't go around telling this to everybody because they do think you're crazy.

They do think you're nuts. And I know people who've seen them in Rangely, Rangely, Maine. My neighbor swore that she saw one just come out of a tree, you know, just behind a tree come out and just stare at them. And they're there, and they're not as rare as people think they are. in my opinion. I tend to agree with you on that. I absolutely agree with you on that. I want to ask you what they are,

what you think they are. But before I do that, one question I want to ask you, going back to your property when you're a kid, and you were looking at these tree structures, were they like teepees? I mean, what did they look like that you guys kept finding?

Yeah, some of them were, some of them were really crude, where I just thought my friend had just started building something and just stopped. some of them were teepee some of them were pretty rocky up here or where my dad is

you know they'd be leaning against rocks but it would be that somebody I know the difference between you know wind pushing something down and something being placed like when you have a row of 12 of them I will tell you my my uncle my uncle's house

and I've been there and there have been trees with the roots, you know, they're leaning against another tree with the roots on top of the, you know, on top. And, you know, wind can't do that. Yeah, it's like you and I were talking earlier. You know, some of the stuff that gets posted online. Absolutely. Is definitely wind and weather damage. And, you know, everyone snaps a picture and goes, oh, Bigfoot did that. Yep. And I get that. I get that completely. But there is some odd ones.

There's some very odd ones that are not weather damage. And especially some of these tree snaps that you see or even some of the branches you saw to where it's like, you know, unless some guy had a ladder and there was three guys that bent this over, I don't know how this thing got up there. Right. Unless it was some weird weather. But then when you find one and then you find another one and then you find another one, you know. And that's why I think it's interesting with your encounter in particular because you saw these marks. markings in the tree, and you guys were smart enough to follow them. And I've always wondered about that, if that is met for them on where they're going,

you know, more questions than answers, I guess. What I, what in my opinion, and again, I apologize about sounding crazy, in my opinion, it was a gathering. And they actually had signs out pointing to where they were, and I know it sounds nuts, but that's the only thing that logically I can take into my mind and, because this was weird. I mean, I've never seen anything like it before or after. They were purposely and precisely put up in these trees where if I had tried, you know,

some of the trees weren't that thick, but they were tall, you know, and if you tried climbing it up to put it up there, the tree would have broken. Some of the trees were huge, and they, I don't know. I don't know. that's the only thing I can, that there was a gathering and they were giving signs to where it was. Yeah, and I tend to agree with you in this situation. I think that it was meant to scare you guys away. I don't think that they, I think if they wanted to run you guys down, I think they would have. And I wouldn't be talking to you right now.

No, I'd be a loss, you know, and the thing is, people go missing in Maine all the time. I guarantee if we had to run when we did, I wouldn't be here. My buddy wouldn't be here. And I often wonder too in situations like this, Jeremy, if you're there by yourself, a lot of times people get different reactions when they're by themselves. Sometimes it's more aggressive than when there's two. I just wonder what would have happened if it would have just been you rolling up in there. I can't tell you.

I've had nightmares about this since it happened. So I don't even want to think about it. Yeah. No, I understand. But, you know, looking back,

even hearing the encounter, they obviously weren't trying to kill you. Otherwise, it would have. It would have been nothing for them to kill you. And the pushing over the trees and then chasing you guys, I mean, that's worse than a bluff charge,

man. That's about as high aggression as you get. You know what I mean? as far as making a display. And absolutely. And I think if we would have, if we would have took the time to take the weapons off our shoulders or just taking that extra couple of seconds to stop and think and talk or whatever,

I think we'd be dead. I think we got the, the epitome of, okay, here's the line. You cross it. There's problems. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. We were on the cusp. Yeah, I think you were too. I think you were to. It's the equivalent of a bouncer throwing you out of the bar without breaking your nose. Absolutely. Absolutely. And like I said, it was an instant, I mean, just instant.

And this all happened with the trees and the yelling 30 seconds, less. I mean, time had no more. meaning, no function. It was instant panic. The only thing I took time for was telling him, we got to get the bleep out of here. He said, yes, we turned and we started running. And like I said, he fell to the ground. His knees, and he just, boom.

And I picked him up. I picked him up. And he's not, he wasn't a, you know, he's a skinny guy. Thank God, you know. But I just lifted him up. And I went like three or four or five steps and he's like, I got it, I got it. Put me down. I can run.

And I put him that and we just, it was just, I guarantee that, you know, we could have broken some records. Oh, no doubt. No doubt. It was just. You guys ran the 40 faster than any NFL player alive to that. I promise you. I promise you.

My legs, I don't think that. They didn't feel like they touched the ground. They literally did not. feel like they touched the ground. I was just gone. Yeah, no, I'm so glad that it went the way it went because it could have gone a different way

pretty quick. And like I said, even with your guys's weapons, you you guys would have, they would have mowed you guys down. Did you want me to tell you what, um, when I was in at Cadena Air Station? Sure. Yeah, sure. Um, I

again, I was in a marine and I, um, I, um, I did a customer and migrations for the Marine Corps in Okinawa. We, I had to go over to Kadina Air Station and do some shifts with some of the Air Force guys. And we were talking and they were talking about the base being haunted and all this and that. I said, well, I got a story. I'll tell you guys. I told them my Bigfoot story.

And two of the guys said, well, that's wild. we have one too. And I said, about Bigfoot. And I said, yeah. And apparently, and I don't know where it was. I know it was the Southwest. I know it was an air base. They told me that their posts were half underground and then the top was open.

And they said that they were sitting there and watching Bigfoot walk by. And it freaked them out. And they had, they'd called their commander. They said, just ignore him. ignore it, you know, don't worry about it. You know, that's all secondhand story. You don't have to, you know, but I just thought that was interesting because I believe there's something going on with the government as far as them not releasing information. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. There is a lot of reports. I've talked to a lot of guys because I was always, you know,

I, at the long time ago, I had a hard time with people who said they saw these things in Arizona or in New Mexico or in, you know, kind of the desert out in the United States, just the desert area. And then I started talking to guys on military bases and the same thing. These things are running around in secured areas that are almost impossible to get into. And then a lot of times when, I don't know if it's MPs or people stand in guard, they'll see them and they're told not to approach them. Don't, you know, don't report it. Don't say anything. You don't say anything?

Yeah, it's just weird, man. It's just weird. Yeah, it's definitely, because I would never thought, you know, the first time I heard of a Bigfoot, you know, in the southwest, in the desert, I was like, nah, there's no way. But these guys, they had been stationed there together and they swore, you know, they swore that happened. Did he give you any descriptions, I mean, as far as what he had actually seen? Just that it was huge. I think he said nine foot brown. And I think he also said it looked like Patty.

You know, like the, he didn't say Patty, but he said the, you know, the film. Yeah, it's fascinating. And like I said, you know, I used to have a hard time with it. I think the person who changed my mind the most, I call her the godmother of Bigfoot, but it's Brenda Harris. And, you know, she's down there in the southwest. Yeah, I've heard you talk to her. Yeah. Yeah, and Brenda is, you know, I give researchers a hard time.

I like to break their balls every chance I get, you know, it's... Which I think is deservedly so most of the time. And most of the time, I'll laugh when they see research. You know, drinking beer and sitting out in a tent and in the middle of the forest with your little recorder, I don't know that I'd call that research. But Brenda's actually a real researcher. I would give her that title. She changed my opinion a lot on these things, you know, and a lot of what they are and what they do.

and, you know, I just love her to death. And I think that she actually is a real researcher as much as it kills me to say that. But I truly believe she's a real researcher, man. And there's a lot of times where I'll go to Brenda, if I don't know something, she's in my top five people. I'll call and just get her opinion on it because, and generally she's right on with a lot of what she says. I mean, it's hard to, you know, I like to argue with people, but it's hard to argue with her on some of the things that she says. and she's down there in the desert, you know, and they definitely have them down there. I wanted to ask you, what do you think Sasquatch is?

What's your, and there's no wrong answer, of course. I've heard you say that, too. I don't know. I believe in God. I don't know where it fits into what I think, and I don't know if they're demonic. I don't know. they're a lost animal. I just, it doesn't feel right saying that,

even though everything tells me it should be, you know, just some type of animal undiscovered. I don't know. I honest, I thought about that a lot. There's not a day that goes by that I don't think about this. And I know I wasn't hurt. I know I wasn't necessarily per se attacked. I think I was driven out of somewhere.

I don't know what it is. And I know I sound crazy saying demonic. No, you don't sound crazy at all. You know, it's, and I don't blame me for this thing haunting you. You know, you were in the gray area. I think you guys were on the cusp of being killed. I think the original attempt was to move, and again, this is just Wes's opinion, which, you know, means nothing. But I think the original intent was probably to get you to leave.

And if you didn't, then they were going to ramp it up. And you were in that gray area. I agree. I agree with all my heart. And I got to say something to you that listening to your shows and listening to, you know, what you have to say and even other people on your shows, you know, when you bring them on the guests and stuff, it really, I want to say brings, I don't want to say closure because it's still ongoing for me. but it the validation of of because there are times I wake up and I think I'm just nuts

you know I really do I mean I get it but it these things are real and and I pray to God that more people come out and especially up in here I know there are sightings I know there are and people won't talk about it and when you told me you you know you would talk to somebody from Poland And again, that was just validation.

Yeah. It's frustrating, isn't it? Isn't it, Jeremy? Yeah, it really, really is. And I get what you mean when, you know, and I ask people, and it wasn't meant to, I don't mean to put people on the spot, but I just love to hear people's opinions, you know, and because nobody truly knows, despite some of the experts out there, will tell you X, Y, and Z, and they're full of it because no one truly knows what they are.

I love asking people about when they've had encounters, what do you think it is? What is it? And you know what's interesting is you never hear someone, very few times, people will say, oh, it's just a monkey. They just don't. People say, well, it reminded me of a monkey, but there was something different about it. There was something in the eyes. There was something on the face.

It just ape, but not really an ape, monkey, but not really a monkey, human, but not really human. And there's no other animal on this planet that we struggle with more than this thing. It's not a normal animal. There's something very different about it. No. I think it's the raw power, the capacity that is there to destroy, if that makes sense. You know, I told some, I told a couple of friends at work and I get picked on every day. But I, but I, I told a couple of friends at work, and I get picked on every day. but I don't I don't care about them picking on me because I know what I I know what I saw I know what I experienced and I know that they're out there you know I don't go out in the woods and I do I still love to go hiking I still love to you know I don't go out there I'm going to see one today I'm going to see you know I'm not like that I mean if I if I never see one again I'm okay you know I'm okay but there's still a want and need I guess for one of these things to be found, you know? Yeah, no, I get it.

I get it completely. And I don't think that's going to happen. I think until the powers of B decide that this thing can come out, I think that's when it will come out. There has to be a bigger plan. Absolutely, absolutely. And what I'd give to even understand that, I'm not saying I would agree with it,

But I just like, I'd like to understand why. You know, why are they covering this up? Why is it so important? I mean, and I've heard all the arguments, you know, you don't want crazy people around the woods with guns, you know, hunting for Bigfoot and kill another. And I've heard, you know, it'd be like the spotted owl. I've heard, to me, there's something more. Yeah, and I'm with you on that. All those arguments are ridiculous in my mind.

You know, if they came out and said Bigfoot's alive and well. you're going to run into them. Well, if you're going to go to get your guns, you're going to go chase them. See you later. It was great, and it was nice knowing you. We'll probably never see you again because people have no idea what they're getting involved with. You take a gun out there. Good luck.

You might kill one, but you're going to get hit by the one that you don't see. Yeah, and I'm going to tell you something. I know for a fact, it's not just one. You know, it's not just one creature running around North America. I mean, I know that within 200 yards of me, there was at least three. It's one of those sayings to where you start looking at all the arguments. You know, I don't believe for one moment the lumber industry has so much poll in our government to cover this up. I just don't buy it.

And there's something very different going on here. There's something very, and it's almost the question of, do you really want to know the answer? Do you really want to know the answer? I do. And, well, you say that, but when you get the answer, you may not be, you may be wished you never got the answer. And I think it's going to be one of those situations. I can tell you right now I want to know the answer without a doubt. But worse than I do.

I do. You know, I don't, you ask me what I thought there were. You know, I've thought about Nephlam. I've thought about fallen angels. I've thought about them just being, you know, a different primate. I thought about it all. And I know growing up as a kid that, like I said, there were times where I would feel something there. And it wasn't a warm and fuzzy something there.

It was a, all right, I got to get the heck out of here. I, you know, I don't think there. And I know you've had people on the show that, you know, want to feed them and be friends with them. and maybe there are ones out there like that. I don't know. I can't sit here and say that that's not the case because I don't know. All I can know is say is what I know and what I've experienced, and it wasn't warm and fuzzy.

It wasn't, it didn't kill me, but it, you know, it didn't come over and shake my hand and high five me either. Yeah. You're not getting a Christmas card from it this year or anything. No. Yeah. No Christmas Clark. No.

Yeah. You know, I mean. I hear you. And I get it. And I'm the same way, man. I mean, there's a lot of people accuse me of only putting a great. They used to accuse me of it. I don't know if they still do.

I don't really pay attention anymore, but they used to accuse me. I haven't heard that in a while. Yeah, of only putting aggressive encounters on the show. And it's like, no, I don't pick and choose. People are welcome to come on and talk about their encounters. Just most of them are aggressive. That's just the way it is. It is.

It is that way. And I'm going to tell you something that the non-judgmental way you do your show is unbelievable. And I appreciate it. It's more than you'll ever know. And I mean that. Well, thank you, man. I appreciate saying that. Like I said, I know what it's like to be called the liar. I know what it's like to have the public kicking the teeth over what you've seen. And, you know, I try and avoid doing that to people at all costs because everyone has had different experiences. with these things. Not everyone's experience is the same. And so my encounter, much like yours, was very aggressive. And so it's hard sometimes when you hear encounters of people who they're gifting with them and it's friendly. But, you know, in this genre, you got to hear from

everyone. If you're truly looking for answers, you've got to hear from everyone. And even if it's crazy and it seems nutty, you got to hear from everyone. And because it paints a picture of what we're actually dealing with. Until the government comes out and says, okay, Sasquatch is real, it's X, Y, and Z, and here's what they are, here's, you know, until they go down the list, I don't know any other way to get information

as far as what these things are. I mean, I, witness encounters are golden to me. And it's nice for me, too, because I'm like you, man, it's nice to hear someone else who's had an encounter. I'm not the only, you know, you feel crazy and you feel like you're the only person that dealt with this, you and your buddy, but a lot of people have dealt with this. And I really appreciate coming on.

I really enjoyed talking with you, man. Do you have a quick second? Yeah, of course. Of course. What do you think they are? At the moment, I'll say, I don't know. I don't know. I have a theory.

I have a thing I'm working on that I'm putting together for an upcoming show. And so it sounds like a dick move for me to say, well, you know. That's okay. I don't, and I don't mean to. I don't mean to. No, I'll wait to hear it. But I do have a theory on what they are, and I just don't know if people are ready to hear it. I guarantee I am.

I guarantee, can I say something off the record? Yeah, of course. This doesn't go on the show? Yeah, I'll just cut to elevator music. Okay. Yeah, well, and I tend to the elevator. elevator music's off. I tend to agree with you. I tend to agree with what you just said. There is something to that. Absolutely. There's something to that. But everyone else, you know, they just start elevator music. So. Excellent. Thank you. Because that is, that is way crazy. But I, again, I believe in God. I pray every day. And that, you know, maybe I am crazy on that theory. But not as crazy as you might think. Definitely not as crazy as you might think. But I appreciate it. Jeremy. Thank you.

so much for coming on. Thank you for having me, but appreciate it. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance, check out the website,

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