Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:428 Sasquatch in Maine

Episode Date: April 29, 2018

My first guest, John, is from Louisiana, and he had an encounter when he was 6-7 years old. John says "I was out with my family and I started walking down the trail by myself and I came up on what I thought was a gorilla. It looked at me and made a RAAAA! sound and pushed his head forward. I ran back to my dad and told him what happen. My Dad told me that they were an ancient human/indian that lived in the woods and that he was paced out of the woods one time. The thing I ran into was huge and reminded me of a gorilla, now this is in the 60's so information was scarce at best…."   My second guest JC writes "I am a retired Navy Seabee and I live in South Central Maine. I, a friend & associate of mine whom is a professional in the community, have had continuous contact/encounters with a family pod of Bigfoot for the past 18 months. This email has been difficult to write due to the fact that I am growing Marijuana in the forests in which these these encounters take place. The reason for writing now we feel is that we posses valuable information for you and your listeners. My story is very long but I want to keep this email as short as possible. I personally have been growled at, charged by numerous creatures at the same time. I've been paralleled in the woods, escorted out of those same woods by them. I have had tree limbs snapping all around me as I'm watering my plants inside my grow area holding my pistol in my other hand at the same time. No one goes into these woods and no one has for decades. First, the tics are so bad if it weren't for the fact that I own an actual tic suit, I would not be out there, and I am out there 2 to 3 times a week mostly by myself. But there other times my friend is with me. I have also called in some juveniles and they like to use whistles to communicate. We have been visited by a family of 5 Sasquatch and have been within 10 yards of the 3 baby's This will continue to happen because we have discovered this area is being used in sense as a nursery. We have discovered a large number of baby tree structures everywhere throughout these parts of the sticks. It will really start ramping up for me because in 2 weeks I am back out in the same area where I have been growled at and charged numerous times, 2 to 3 times a week. Only once last year I went out into the woods and I did not have a undesirable encounter. All encounters are UNDESIRABLE!"

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I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling out, and he grabbed a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun.

And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Sure. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. Oh, sir?

Yes, I'm looking right at him. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight.

I'm going to be talking to John. And John had an encounter, I believe, in 1968 in Louisiana. And I'm really glad to have John on the show because not a lot of people from Louisiana come forward. I think there's way more that goes on down there. Then I'll be talking to J.C. And J.C. actually had an encounter in the military. He was on a base, and we've got to kind of be careful how much we say about it,

because I think everyone signs something because it shut down the night ops, and they ran into these creatures. So he'll be sharing that, and then he recently moved to Maine, and he'll be discussing some encounters around his property, too, as well. If you've had an encounter, and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance, please check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. A lot of cool things on there. I know Friday night was Hunter's Night and I had two hunters on the show. Great,

great encounters. So if you get a chance, check it out, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome John to the show. John, thanks for coming on. No time at all. Thanks for having, Wes. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. I know your encounter took place in Louisiana. If you would, would you kind of just start from the beginning. Tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened. Okay.

I am 56 right now. I was about six or seven years old, so this was in about 67 or 68. We have a lot of levy systems down here, I guess, as you know. we tend to go and maybe cook or ball crawfish or barbecue or whatever out of the levee it's you know fishing and hunting and swimming and the whole nine yards outdoors you know everybody goes down to the levee on the weekend well this was no different we were i was about i say six or seven years old and all i remember was there was a levy near there we were on the side of a levy and they were boiling crawfish there was a blanket spread out my mom

my dad, my uncle, and my aunt were there, and I was there. And they were talking and, you know, drinking a few beers and barbecuing, I mean, bawling crawfish and just hanging out having a good time. Well, I realized they weren't watching me. And there was this little trail that went back, straight back from the levee back to, deep into the woods. And I thought, man, I want to go to explore that trail, you know. I was old enough to know all about the animal.

and I knew exactly what was going on. Anyway, I started walking back there, and I kept looking back to make sure that I was in line of the side of my dad because that was one of his rules, man. His deal was, it's not my job to watch you. It's your job to make sure that I can see you at all times.

And that was my job, trust me. So I was walking down that trail, I was going straight back, and I'm looking back, saying, okay, he can see me. So I keep walking down. they don't even notice I'm gone, you know, but I can see them. I'm walking straight back. And I'm looking down because it was early spring.

And there was some water on the ground and there could be moccasins or water moccasins or copperheads or whatever. I was looking for snakes. You know, I was a kid. I'm looking for snakes. So I keep walking back. And right as I get towards the back of the trail, I realize that it takes the right. You know, it suddenly turns to.

a right on the side of this big tree. And I think to myself, man, if I take that right, which I wanted to, but if I take that right, my dad won't be able to see them. You know, I'll be out of sight and I'll be in some real serious trouble. Well, right as I'm about to turn around, I'm looking down, right as I'm about to turn around in my two o'clock position, I noticed something on the side of that tree swayed a little bit from side to side, ever so slush it, you know, just a little bit. but enough to catch my eye and I froze.

I looked up on the side of the tree and there was just a big, it was a dark figure. I look up and where the eyes are supposed to be is my eyes meet. Right when our eyes meet, this thing just gets so pissed off. I mean, like you wouldn't believe. He just gets so mad and he just screams at me real quick. Now, he's about 15, 20 feet away. He's not far away at all.

but he just judges head forward and screaming real quick like that. And man, that's when my feet kicked in. I didn't have any choice to run or not. I was running, son. I don't know what we say when the Bigfoot just took off and disappeared, but that's probably what he told his family. That little boy just took off and disappeared. Must have jumped in a portal or something.

I don't know. But I was gone. I remember running so fast and things. and my feet aren't even touching the ground, I'm going to fall. I'm going to fall. I'm going to fall. And as I'm running, get to the head of the trail where it started, and I do right in the middle of the picnic blanket and the baskets in the old nine yards.

Everything just went flying. So as that's happened, I'm thinking, man, I'm going to be in some serious trouble for destroying this picnic area, you know? And so I jump up immediately. I look behind because I had full full. figured that this thing was chasing me. I mean, I really thought it was, but it never was, man. It wasn't there.

And I get up and I said, did y'all see that? Did you all hear that? You know, I said, it was a hairy gorilla and it screamed at me. Well, they all started laughing and my uncle went in to berate me right off the bat telling me how, you know, I'm just

scared of cat, and, you know, there's no guerrillas, there's no hairy gorillas in Louisiana I was just a kid in the whole nine yards, you know. But my dad's not saying anything. And that's what I noticed kind of like what I was about while this is going on, I'm thinking my dad's not saying a word, which is unusual. He would have been all over me, you know. That goes on it and kind of calms down and whatnot.

And I went in the truck and I went to sleep. I didn't want to have no part of nothing again. You know, and here I am thinking, man, I saw a hairy gorilla, but they tell me, there's no hairy gorilla. no easy in her. So, I mean, you know, what you're gonna do with your dad and your uncle chair?

There's no hairy gorillas for Louisiana. Anyway, we go to the next thing I realized we're home. And my dad is in the living room in his chair, you know, the dad's chair. And he calls me in there.

He says, John, come see. And I knew it that meant that he wanted to know exactly what happened and he wanted to know I was telling the truth. Because if I wouldn't been telling the truth, if he even thought for a second that I was lying on making that up, Peter had my butt. But anyway, I went in there and I told him, I said, Dad, I'm not lying, am I making anything up?

I walked down there and there was something swaying, and I saw it was a hairy gorilla. It screamed at me. I saw its eyes. I saw its face. You know, and had that black, leathery face just like a gorilla, you know. And, of course, he tells me, son, there's no gorillas in his hand. but he believed me or something because he didn't, you know, he didn't whip me or anything. You know, I didn't get any punishment or anything.

But then he told me, he said, and in no uncertain terms, he told me this. He was dead sure of himself. He said, son, what you saw was an ancient tribe of Indians. Down here in Louisiana, they've lived in the basin forever. And he said, and they shunned him. society. They stayed in the deep in the basin and they became wild again, like feral humans, you know. He said, no, certain stamps, that's what they were and that he had had one paralleled him on the way home one time from hunting when he was about 17. But he totally believed

him, man. He was like, matter of factly. I never got to have an adult conversation with him because he died when I was 12. But he knew more. He was always the type that was reading, you know, National Inquirer about the aliens and whatnot. So he was hit to it, you know, he knew what was going on himself. Yeah, that's interesting that your dad would, you know, not berate you, but, you know, and give his explanation for what.

Yeah, he totally explained it to me. Like, he knew for sure in his mind that that's what they were. And that's what I saw. So I was cool with dad for the rest of my life, you know. And then, you know, in a series, a bunch of dreams and stuff, nightmares of night terrors that I've had all that stuff, man. It's all come back, you know. But you block that stuff out, especially when you got to hunt.

My dad didn't want me to be scared of the woods. You know, you have to hunt and fish down here. I mean, it's a right of passage, basically. You know, you can't be scared of the woods. That's the last thing that a man would want for his son. You know, so I don't think you told me more just not to scare me. If you would, would you describe what you saw? So you walk up on the saying, and it appears to be guerrilla-like, and then it barked at you or...

Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Can you describe it for the audience? Maybe someone who hasn't seen one? Yeah, for me, it was what made me say gorilla was not the way it looked on the outer shape or anything like that. It was the texture of the face. It had a gorilla textured face. The same black,

leathery skin. That's what made me say gorilla in the eyes. The eyes were so huge. I mean, it was so mad. You can see just in the eyes. I knew right away that I was walking into a trap right there. If I'd have taken that right, he would have been in between me and my dad and him,

and the woods would have been in between all of us. So I'd have been there just all on my own. out there. I had no doubt in my mind at the time that he meant to do me harm. Nobody can tell me different today. You know, he got mad because I saw him too soon. I saw him before I was supposed to see him. And that's what made him so mad. That's what I firmly believe. Yeah, I hear you. And he said it looked, when he said guerrilla like, I mean, can you kind of describe what you saw for the audience? Let's say someone, they have no idea what Bigfoot means or what Sasquatch means.

I remember the color of the eye being amber, or goldish or amberish. And the skin was black, just like a gorilla, leathery. I mean, that's what made me say gorilla, because it was the texture of the face. Not anything else, but the eyes in the face. Made me say, guerrilla. And like I said, when it screamed at me, my feet kicked in and I was gone, man. that really was the extent of the encounter. Now, we'll tell you this, you know, right on that East Texas border in Louisiana is the Sabine River,

which was dammed up and they made a reservoir, Toledo Bin Reservoir. It's a huge fishing and outdoor reservoir and fork and the whole nine yards, you know. Later on, my dad had to go on a hunting trip. right down here squirrel hunting is a big deal and opening weekend of squirrel season is a super huge deal so he tells me you know son well you can't come this weekend because it's uh it's a work thing you know it's a bunch of men from work and we're not bringing any of the kids so i'm upset of course you know i'm beside myself you know i can't go hunting for opening weekend well he leaves on the Friday. Now, Saturday, I'm mulling around the house in the kitchen, and my mom's doing dishes,

and she lifts out the kitchen window and says, what's your dad doing home? And I thought, I saw, well, yeah, what is he doing home? So I meet him at the door. He comes in with a puzzle look on his face, and he calls me into the room to the chair again. And he tells me, now, tell me what you saw when you said, you saw that hairy gorilla. So I told him the Harry guerrilla story again. he said because and by this time my mom's in the kitchen i mean in the living room wanting to know what the hell he's doing home you know he says during the night he said half the men left in the middle of the night because something kept walking around the camp circling the camp and screaming like a woman screaming being murdered and i couldn't believe that people have said that

it sounds like a woman screaming because the only other time i heard that in my life was when my dad told me that when I was about 10 years old. You know, they had heard that, and the rest of them just left the next Saturday morning. They didn't even hunt. You know, they just all took off. They didn't want to have no part of it. So I always wondered, you know, what that was,

but he totally believed it was the Harry Gorilla thing, you know. I got the impression from him. Yeah, sounds like it. And so in your encounter, you really felt like this thing. if you would have made one wrong move, it was going to kill you? I really, I think I was walking into a trap. Right instantly, when I realized that it was something there, that's the thought that hit me in my head.

I was walking into a trap. You know, I saw it too soon. It got mad because I saw it too soon. I was supposed to take that right. Because it had the Washington come all the way down the trail west, all the way from the front by the levee. You know, the trail was right there, and it was standing right there on the side of it. So it saw me come all the way down the whole time.

I guess it figured it had a little tasty morsel, you know, away from their parents or something. I don't know. Yeah. But that's the impression I got. I really did. I have no doubt in my mind today that that thing meant to do me harm. Let me ask you, too, John, while I have you on the phone and being from Louisiana. You know, I always assumed the Rugeroo.

and I know I'm not saying it the right way, but that's my idiot way of saying it, the Rur-Roo. A lot of times when you talk to people from Louisiana, they will say that's a dog man. And then sometimes you'll talk to people from Louisiana, and they'll say that's Bigfoot. That's their term. Is Rook-a-Roo kind of a general term for just,

whether it's Sasquatch or Dogman? Have you heard? It's actually a literal term, but it's not Rougaroo, even though we do say, we murder the language and say it. It's Luke Garu, L-U-C-G-A-R-O-U-U-U-G-R-U-U-R-U,

which means Wolfman in French. And my dad told me this. Now, like I said, he told me about the ancient tribe of Indians that went wild again, and that's what the hairy gorilla that I saw. Because I told him it had people out. I forgot to tell you that.

The thing that I told him when I was young, I said, but daddy, it had people eyes, not animal eyes. You know, in other words, it could think. It was smart. It was intelligent. But that's the only way I could convey it back then. But he also told me, he said, they have the ancient tribes of Indians,

but there's also another one that we call the guru. He said, but it has a tail. I said, it has a snout. He said, yeah, it has a snout, and it has a tail. He said, people think they're magic. They're not magic or anything like that. It's just another type of animal that's out there. He said, but you'll probably never see one.

If you see one, either the Indians or the Lugaru, he said, just stay away from it. Just leave. Don't even point your gun. Don't shoot at him or don't do anything. Just leave. Now, that's what he told me about the Lugaru and the hairy gorilla. Yeah, it's almost like your dad knew a little bit more, don't you think? I mean, when you say look, Roo, it's kind of, you almost wonder if, you know, obviously some people would imagine they would think it's legend.

They would think it's a myth. But it almost sounds like your dad believed that it was a real entity you could run into, a real animal you could run into. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, in the movie, you know, the Wolfman with Lon Cheney, they say that, Lugaru in there. And, but that's what that always was for us. There's Luka Roo. Now people do murder it and say it real fast where it comes out Ruga-Roo, but... Like me, yeah.

Well, you know, people down here do it. Don't feel haunt. People down here do that, man. In a nutshell, it did traumatize me, though. I got to tell you, man, my dad and him actually bought me a, an old-time lantern light. That was for a nightlight, because I slept with a light. on until I was in high school, then directly related to that thing,

seeing that thing, as I called it, or that hairy gorilla. Yeah, and your dad sounds like a country boy who wouldn't put up with getting you a nightlight. But that kind of shows you that maybe he believed you. You know, he really thought that you had seen... Yeah, he did believe me. And like I say, for him to do that was way out of character.

I mean, you know, he knew something that happened. And he totally believed me because he wouldn't have gotten me at a nightlight, you know, for his firstborn son. No, that wouldn't happen. Well, let me ask you, John, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your honest opinion? I'm going to go with what I saw and what my dad told me. You know, he said no uncertain terms. It was an ancient tribe of people that never got civilized.

That just never made it quite the civilization. So that's what I'm going to go with, you know, because it did have intelligent eyes. I can tell you that much, you know. Yeah, and I think that's why a lot of hunters, when they come across these things, and they have them in the scopes, why they have a hard time pulling the trigger. You know, it's why there isn't more dead bodies. Because your average hunter, I mean, you know this, John, you're a country boy. You grew up in the country.

Generally speaking, yeah, generally speaking, your hunter isn't going to, at least the guys I've ever been out with, they don't shoot and ask questions later. That's just not the way it works. They know what they're shooting. They know what. Oh, yeah. Everyone's kind of down on hunters,

but they really are people with integrity. No, that's the main rule, Wes. That's the main rule right there. Be sure what you're shooting at. I mean, our dad's dried that into our heads, man. You do not shoot it unless you're absolutely 100% sure what you're shooting at. and what's behind it, you know.

But I think a lot of hunters have seen this or seen something like that. I can't be the only one that I know around here. There's no way they just don't say anything because once again, you got to hunt. You can't be scared. You know, you don't want to ruin that, you know, by believing in something that is just impossible to believe, you know. Well, and that's the thing with, I think I made the comment in the last couple of shows. I mentioned Kentucky and then kind of your northeast, you know, like Maine, some of those areas. But I'd put Louisiana in the same breath.

People are funny from that area. They, unless they know you or unless they or your family, they're not going to tell you squat, you know. And right. Exactly. You're not going to hear a thing. Don't you think there's more that goes on down there, John? Wouldn't you say than what you would ever read on like the BRFRO website or Haught? I believe so.

I believe the key would be the loggers in North Louisiana and Northwest Louisiana. I'd be curious to see what these guys got to say. You know, I read some reports from out of there on the BFRO website, and there's plenty. There's nine of them in Grant Parish alone, you know, that are just reports. Just think how many people have seen something and haven't reported it, you know. Yeah, it's definitely a mystery. And, you know, like I said, people from that area, they have some of the best stories, but they will not tell you.

And I've talked to a lot of people from Louisiana off there. And a lot of times they'll share encounters, but then they're like, I don't want to come on the show. I don't want to. They're so afraid of people thinking they're crazy. And it's like, you know what, your story's not as crazy as you think. I mean, yeah, we have grandparents. We have like my generation. And my grandparents never spoke English.

They only spoke French. So I really didn't know what they were saying. So being able to pass down stories about that, you know, would have been almost impossible, you know, because I don't speak French. Yeah. What do you, let me ask you, John, what do you think it would take to prove this thing? Do you think the government's covering it up or do you think just no one has shot one? I think so because I think it is too, it's too human for people to handle.

I think that's the whole deal about it. It's too human for people to handle. And, of course, there's going to be every, well, you know, if you ever watch the documentary on the Honey Island Swamp Creature, when Mr. Ford had gotten his video of it, the place was inundated. They had to call the National Guard out

to come and stop people from going and hunt this thing down. So people are crazy. You know, you don't know what's going to happen. And then you get the religious factor in there, and man, you'll never know what's going to happen. And I'm glad you brought that up, John, because that video he took, and for the audience listening,

the Honey Island Swamp Monster, that was actually shot, I want to say, five years before the Patterson Gimlin film. Yeah, it was early 60s or mid-60s. Yeah. Correct. And it was a good video.

That old man took a really good video of this saying, walking off. We did. And it gets no attention. And I don't really understand why, but, and I think it's just as good as a Patterson Gimlin, if not better. And it gets no attention. Everyone says, oh, it's a suit.

And it's like, well, give me a break, man. Oh, it's not a suit calling, man. He's walking through knee-deep water, you know, in the swamp. You don't go walking in a swamp like that. You know, you just can't do it, you know. It just doesn't happen. I know that's Dana Holyfield, her granddaughter that's promoting that. And it made the video down here, the documentary.

documentary of that, the Honey Island swamp creature. And like you say, that video is just as compelling as Patterson Gimman, which, you know, is the standard by which all others are judged. Yeah, I hear you. Well, thank you, John. I really appreciate coming on. I really enjoyed hearing your encounters. And thank you for taking the time to come on and shirm.

No problem at all, anytime with us. Well, thanks for having everybody. Well, next up on the show, I want to be a lot of the show, welcome J.C. J.C., thanks for coming on. Oh, yeah, you betcha. And I know you recently moved out to Maine, and we're going to talk about some of the activity out there.

But prior to that, you actually were in the military, and you were out on a night ops, and you ran into some of these creatures. And I want you to be very careful, because I know everyone kind of signed something on this, and I know it shut down that night ops that you guys are doing. So if you would, don't mention the year. don't mention the base. But if you would, would you kind of just walk us into it? Tell us what happened.

Okay, well, we were just setting up for a high mountain exercise. And what I did is I located a spot on the map, and I checked it out earlier that day. I found a choke point. And, you know, I had a creek on one side and had a cliff side on another. It was probably about 150 yards wide. And it was, it was, couldn't ask for a better spot. And so I thought, well, this is a good spot for an ambush.

And so we set up a, a nice spot to set up our nest. And we all had our, you know, we all had our, our, our, our, our, our, back then, we, you know, we had our first generation of the, the first set of, you know, nine-vision models that you can click on to your, your helmet was backed in. And, you know, for back then, they're, you know, they're not the best things you can have. they worked pretty good for what we could have back then. And so, you know, we sat around and, you know, when it got dusk and about dark, and this is, you know, this is a summertime. So it got dark, pretty late. And, you know, we sat around a couple hours and we're pretty quiet and it was shortly,

you know, after midnight. And, you know, we started hearing this, this crashing, this stomping coming through the forest. and you know there's a section of woods there's this big rock next to the you know next to the creek and we're on the other side of that rock and there's this big section of woods between the cliff and that big rock and we heard the crashing through the rocks and i turned my two guys and i go man these marines are stupid you make a lot of noise and you know we're kind of laughing about it and next time i know i started hearing this you know this thumping on my chest and how I was like, this isn't, this isn't right.

And the next thing I know, and I'm the only one with my goggles down at that time, I see this big arm reeking out and pulling this limb down. And this limb, I swear, was probably eight, ten inches wide and probably ten feet up off the ground. You just pulls it down and pulls it right off. snaps. When that happens, my friend next to me jumps off, you know, up off the ground. And I said, don't move. Don't even make sound. And it just wasn't one of them, but there were two. And see, people, at this time, you got to remember, I grew up in Idaho. And, you know, I spent my summers in, in a town of Cascade and a town of Stanley, Idaho. And, you know, and I, you know, I grew up in Idaho. And, you know, I spent my summers in a town of Cascade and a town of Stanley, and, you know, I was, and I was, I spent my time up in the woods and I've never seen anything like this, never ever heard of anything like this, nor would I ever expect anything like this. And here comes myth right into reality. And I didn't know what to do.

And the only thing I could say is shut up. Just shut up. Don't even breathe. And there wasn't one, but there were two. The other one was more of my size. The only thing I noticed was it was, it was more, it was kind of clipped on to it. It was holding on to its waist.

That's the only thing that I saw, his hand on its waist. And it was looking forward as the bigger one, when it snapped that tree, it looked back and neither one of them had any idea as we were there. And thank God, because we didn't have any live rounds in our gun.

And I wasn't going to get up and start popping shots off with blakes. You know, that was the dumbest thing to do, right? I wasn't making a move. I wasn't making a sound. I wasn't doing anything. I was going to let these creatures go. So we saw these things walking off about three or four seconds. You know, I don't want to say this is my friend at this time that was in the middle of the three of us.

he immediately pissed his pants. He didn't, he, he, he, he didn't handle this very well. And, um, so after we, they disappeared. And these things, when I say they were walking, that's probably jogging in, and our sense, right? So, I mean, it was quick. And the only thing that I could say or notice, um, they didn't have no necks. and that's the only thing that I noticed at that time

but it was so quick because the goggles weren't that great the vision was that great that's the only thing that I could see was that big arm and no neck I didn't really get to see a good visual on the head because the big one turned back on the side and I kind of look and all I thought is a little one grabbed on the side and that's when I turned to my friend I said

shut up and I looked up and then that's when I saw just the back ends of them and they walked back to the forest and then after that then I heard the you know the seven marines that were coming back behind because they were actually pushing them out and then that's what I jump up I throw my gear up I go hey hey hey did you just see what you just pushed out and so at that time I what I didn't know is that Down the hill 11 more people saw these two. And what it ended up doing was shutting down the whole field exercise for the night. And so a whole report had to be made. And so I can't really talk anymore about that, about where it was, what happened.

Yeah, and I don't want you to. I don't want you to get in trouble. But, you know, I appreciate sharing it because a lot of guys on basis see these things, especially in nine operations. They see these things. And it's not just out here in Washington. It's everywhere. A lot of these different bases, you know, Georgia, California, there's a ton of these guys

that have seen them. It's interesting how the whole night went. You're sitting and waiting. The other wanes are pushing this creature up. They see you guys turn and go the other way. And it wasn't just that you saw it. I mean, a lot of people saw this thing. That's fascinating.

Right, right, right. Yeah. And, yeah, we didn't. know that until, until, you know, several hours later until, you know, we're in a room and several other people were in there and, you know, making the same report and we're like, you saw it too? Oh, wow. You know, and you got to believe me at that time. See, I'm a geologist and, you know, as a scientist, too, and, you know, growing up in the

woods, you know, and believe me, you know, I know that I wanted to believe that these things are out there. I can believe that these things are out there, but I always, you know, I have to see it to believe it kind of thing, right? And, and, and, but I really didn't want to see it like that to believe it, right? Yeah. And so, but then, you know, so I retired and, you know, so I came out to Maine. And so now I've got something else going on. Well, tell us about that. You know, it's very interesting. There's, and I don't know if you want to go into the, the, the, the, growing of, I don't know if you want to go into all that. Oh, no, and this is the reason why I contacted you.

And, you know, and this is difficult to tell you the story, but, and this is the reason why I, I, I, I, I contacted you and why I needed to tell you this. And why I think that you're listeners and why I think that you will find this interesting, because we discovered something very interesting about this. Now, I was contacted by a friend who, was who was felt and being stalked and being watched by what he thought was a big foot on his property. And so he said, would you come over? Now, you know, I'm a tracker.

I've been tracking since, you know, a long time I learned how to track basically by watching animals and falling the animals in the woods, you know, and asking everybody, every question since I was a kid, you know, I've learned. So anyways, so he asked me to come out there. And so when I went out there, I pulled up onto the property. And the first thing that I noticed, now this is, this is a property, it's got a huge barn. This is an equestrian area. It's got a huge field, it's surrounded by woods, large property. We're talking, you know, over 100 acres. And so I pull up. And the first thing I noticed was an own real amount of tree structures right there next to the barn. Now this barn has two condos on it.

Right on the front, it's really funny. It's got an indoor writing arena, the whole nine yards. It's kind of neat, but I see these tree structures right there. And this guy doesn't even know about these tree structures. He doesn't know about tree structures. He doesn't really know about this stuff. And so I go, okay. So he takes off for work.

And so I go and I look and I first noticed the largest set of tracks I have ever seen in my life. These are deeply set imprinted into the grass. Okay, I follow them in and then I find half of a track set into the mud. I break out my backpack. I take out my measuring tape and I measure it 22 inches long. by nine and a half inches wide. And I got three toes, the big toe and the two other ones next to it. The other two were in the grass,

but what in the heck is out there walking around barefoot? And first of all, you know, folks, I got to tell you first about this. And I got to describe this forest for you and everything because, you know, I've been around the world. I've been in the jungles of South America. you know, I've been in the jungles of, you know, like Okinawa, you know, Malaysia. I've been there in the Olympics, you know, of course I grew up in Idaho. You know, I went to college in Montana.

Those are the dream of woods to walk around in the Olympics, you know, there in Idaho. You know, those woods are nice. When you come here, these are so thick. You know, we got nettles here too. We got briars and stuff, but these are so thick that you can't even see, even if somebody's wearing bright orange, not even 20 yards away in these woods. And the ticks are so bad that you can't even go, okay, you can't even go out for 20 minutes and come back and not have 30 ticks on you. okay i went out and purchased a suit specifically to go out in these woods to do what i'm doing folks and folks what i'm doing we'll get into this in a minute okay but i spent a pretty penny to buy a suit

to go out in these woods because the ticks are so bad people do not go out in these woods at all because of this okay so when i say that nobody goes out in these woods nobody goes out in these woods all right They stick to the roads, to the trails, to their four-wheelers. They do not go out in these woods. So when I went out there and I found these tracks, I followed these tracks. And I followed them out to the edge of the field to a tree that had the one whole entire side. The whole entire side, the tree limbs were all snapped off. And it looked like a trail marker.

If you were to make a trail marker, you can make it in a trail marker. You can make it any plainer. And it looked like as if one was snapped off every year, as if a new one was snapped off every year. It was weird. And I looked down, and now this was an old horse trail. And I looked down and I see another one down about 50, 75 yards. So I said, okay, so I go down to the next one. And I see another one.

So I make my way down about three quarters of a mile to the end of this horse trail. It's the only trail of any sort in any of these woods. And I get down to where this bog is, and about 100 yards to my right, I hear a knock on a tree. Right after that, to my left, about 150 yards, I hear another knock. I go, okay, well, I'm not used to Maine.

I just moved here. I don't know about you, but I don't know of anything that knocks on trees. And I kind of know about this stuff, and to me that kind of sounds like, Bigfoot to me. I'm backing out of here because I'm by myself and I don't even have a gun. So I get out of here and I back out.

Needless to say, I start hanging out with this guy every night going out there to see if this thing shows up. Week later, we're out there smoking a scar on his deck and we start hearing something

coming up, you know, close to the building. And I see these two greenish glowing things in the woods. And I've never seen this before. And the next thing I know, they blink. And I turned to them, I said, do you see what I'm seeing? And he had to look at it.

And he doesn't know. And what on earth has big greenish eyes that blink like that? And this thing is very high up off the ground. right well it comes in closer and at this point i'm like okay i've had it i have got to see this for myself so i run down the steps i know this sounds crazy folks i know this is stupid right but at this point time right i have got to see this for myself right okay so i run down now there's this little corral in the middle of the field. And as you run down, I'm running towards

this little corral, all I can hear is it going towards this little corral. At this point, it's dark, right? But the moon is about a third full and it's facing south. And it's about going down. And you couldn't ask for a better point where the moon could be. As I get to the corral, the corral is about to where my chin would be, and I'm almost 5'8.

So I get to the corral. This thing's on the other side of the crowd, which is about 30 yards away, and it's walking away from me, and still to this dam, still wrapping this around my head. All I see is this big V-shaped-like thing, and I don't see a head on this thing.

And I swear, this thing I know for a fact, just from the height of the corral, had to be over 11 feet tall, the size of the size, of it just i i know my animals in the size had to been over 1100 pounds okay that next morning that next morning i went out right where the stain was walking and that is the stain that's leaving these 22 inch tracks because i followed these tracks right to where i end up putting my future

gorilla grow okay now this is what i'm doing out in the woods this is where I'm going and this is what I'm doing out in the woods and this is where I'm getting all my encounters. And this is what I'm doing now today. And this is what I'm going to be doing here in the next two weeks. And this is why I bought this suit. I went out, we went out into these woods. After this encounter, we went out and we discovered not only these tree structures, but many, many more in this area. and probably only a seven square mile area,

probably over 350 tree structures in one day, a hike, bowed trees, tepees. But the most interesting thing that we found were baby tree structures, little tiny ones. And this comes in the play later because we find out that there wasn't just this big boy, but it's a family pod that's coming through here because this ends up that we find out to be the nursery for these guys.

This is the big boy. There's a mama and there's the three babies. Now the three babies are a different age, but next summer, last summer, September, when we move out of this place to move into the house that we just bought, the five of them came. I don't know. When we're moving out, it seems like they knew that we were moving out. The night when we left, they all came in to say goodbye to us. When the mom and the papa were off about 50, 75 yards, the three babies came in within 10 yards

from the deck. And they sat there, and we were there for 45 minutes with the three of them there just swaying back and forth, looking at us, making... I can't describe the noises. They're not chimp-like noises, not grunt-like noises, kind of like growl-like noises. I think they're like practicing growling at us.

And I'm not joking because my friend goes, did he just growl at us? Because where they were coming up at us, they had to have been small. But it is funny, but it's not. But besides the case, that was the only good experience we've ever had with these creatures. But anyways. Yeah, because I think you said most of the encounters really haven't been very pleasant with these things.

They're undesirable. And yes, they have been. And that's probably the only time you're going to hear me laugh in this whole interview. because this is this was my whole idea when every time that we went out the first time that we actually went out hunting these things I went out and I tracked these and this is how I've been able to track these about every 15 to 25 yards they leave a nice little snap of a tree limb about eight to 12 feet off the ground and like I said people these woods are so thick I'd lose my friend 15, 20 feet behind me. If he wasn't right on me, I would lose him. And he could hear me walking through the forest. You cannot see anything once the forest grows in in the summertime.

You can't even in the wintertime. You can't even see through it, okay, folks? It's the thick, I've never cussed walking through any forest in my life but this one. I wish I were kidding. Okay, and the ticks are the worst I've ever seen in my life. And I had to buy a suit just to crawl through these woods. And there are nobody. And we do have, I have plenty of pictures of actual tracks.

We've got, they must be juveniles because they were small, you know, actual foot in mud, but there's no way people are walking around foot, you know, barefooted in these areas because you're not walking around in these areas. Let me, can I ask you this, J.C. Why did you go and set up your girl operation back there after finding these tracks? Okay.

Well, okay, this, this was the thing. Every time that we went back there, they would chase us out of there or try to chase us out of there. And the reason that I put it back there, too was that I saw no human activity

whatsoever or anything that could have been back there the last couple of decades at all and I know that if yeah no human activity at all and we crawled back to all those woods

for for at least two three weeks and every time that I went back there by myself I was paralleled I got escorted out. I got growled at. Tree limbs snapped. At one time, you know, I know that I know that they use infrasound because, look, I don't get lost in the woods.

Plain and simple, okay? It just doesn't happen. I've never gotten lost in the woods. You could stick, you could blindfold me, stick me anywhere in this world. I just don't get lost. We went out and I got turned in a circle and got lost. And I swear there's this crow following something. And I know we were being paralleled by one of these creatures.

And it was sitting there squawking at this thing for 30, 45 minutes. And I know it was squawking at it. And I swear to this day we were thinking that it was using infrasound on us, confusing us. Because to this day, I know, I never. get lost in the woods and I got lost that day and I've been in those woods three four times a week two three times at least a week and I got lost that day but yeah I chose those woods because these things are going to run you out and I'm going to tell you you know I want to throw a challenge

out to this girl Renee out there to this show finding Bigfoot you know I hate to use your show as a platform or less I really do but you know anybody get somebody to the BF to her. Hey, come out here. I'll put you up for a week. All the comforts of home. We just take day trips out. I'll show you all the big foot you want to see because this is the thing that we have figured out. We have found out that they have a migratory pattern around here because they use because of the waterways here. They use a certain pathways because of the waterways. They use a certain way that they migrate and another big thing there you don't see animal life in this area the whole entire time I've been here eight in that area for 18 months I only seen two deer the whole time the

the first week of living here in this new house that we bought here I've seen at least 1824 deer in this area you do not see the wildlife and this girl here she always talks smack Look, come on out. I guarantee you, I will show you these creatures. And not only will you not be doing that show anymore, you won't be camping by yourself anymore. And I guarantee you, you won't be coming to Maine, okay? Because this is no joke.

These things are no joke. These are not fun creatures. These aren't your vegetating, eating little fun things these things, hey, if I didn't have a gun with me and I didn't have it out with me and I didn't know what I was doing, I wouldn't be sitting here and I wouldn't be talking to you right now. These things will kill you.

They will drag you off any chance they get. And I tell you. Well, let me ask you, Jacey. What makes you feel that way? Because every time, okay, I've been in battle. All right. I've been where bullets fly. And I tell you, before I ever went out on patrol,

I hadn't been that scared every time before. I'm shaking right now, talking to you, thinking about, I'm going out in two weeks. Before I go out into these woods, going out by myself, I'm scared to death, people. Okay, but I'm doing it because I need this for me. I don't take pain meds, folks. I don't drink, okay?

I don't do this stuff. I'm in a lot of pain. I had seven surgeries in a row. My body is beat up, okay? I need this, right? The state doesn't allow us to grow very much, and I don't break the law, but this, but hey, you know. I understand.

And I don't think you have to justify it, as you and I were saying earlier. I think the fact that you, you know, would do marijuana overpay medication says a lot. Paying medication is nothing, but they're heroin. pills. You know, you get into your opiates. That's what it is. And it's synthetic heroin, you know, and it's like, well, that's okay, but Hey, I could go, I could go a day without pot, but you go a day without those pills. You start getting those, those sick. Yeah, you start getting sick, see, and that doesn't make sense to me. Yeah. But anyways, but the reason why I still go out there and I do this is because,

you know, hey, if they are to get me, that's a great way to die. That's a great way to die. in my book drowning's a terrible way to die car wrecked by drunk drivers terrible way to die do you hear me folks okay I think sleeping your bed and just not waking up

is the best way to go but I get what you're saying I understand what you know what it's the it's the thrill of of what am I going to be dealing with these creatures today.

You know, what am I going to, what am I going to learn about these guys today? Who am I going to be dealing with today? I don't know. It's the thrill of it to me that gets me to do it. And I'm going to tell you, I had a partner in doing this. And we went out there and my original Gorilla Grow, we were out there cutting it. And within 30 minutes of cutting out or grow, the big boy came in and he growled at us. And while he was growling at us, you know, my backpack was about 15 yards away.

You know, he was looking at me. My buddy was looking at me as I'm running to my backpack to grab my gun. As soon as I grabbed my gun, he stopped growling. I chambered around. Of course, I'm not pointing it at him. but then this is the only thing I can say. You know that that 1976 version of King Kong? Yeah.

Okay. As he's walking through the forest to go get the girl right and he's pushing the trees down, as this thing is walking, because this is kind of down sloping, because we're kind of like at the top of this kind of like hill, so he's walking down. He's pushing the trees down.

And I'm not talking to. Tiny little trees, people. He's pushing these trees down. And my friend is sitting there the whole time with his mouth open. And from that point in time, he never contacted me. He never came back out. And he never came back to that area ever again. And this was a daytime sighting?

This was a daytime. This happened at 1.30 in the afternoon. And were you able to see him full on? Or did you get a glance? at him as he was walking away. All I saw was darkness that was darker than the darkness of the forest.

And during the summer, you know, while I was inside the same gorilla grow, because this happened in the month of May, and this is while the forest is still growing thick, right?

In the middle of the summer, I was in the same gorilla grow, I got charged, not, you know, once, twice, but three times by multiple creatures. And the last time I was charged, they came right up to the edge. And what stopped them was when I chambered my pistol. And I'm only carrying a pistol. I know this sounds stupid, but look, if they came out and they're coming after me,

I'm shooting them in the mouth. I'm not dumb, okay? I'm shooting them in the mouth, and I'm saving one round for myself, okay? All right. Okay. All right. But anyways, they came right up to the edge. And even at the edge, all I can see was the darkness that was darker than the darkness of the forest.

And I know this sounds really crazy. And why didn't you leave? Why didn't you walk out? Why do you leave? Well, I carried all that water in two and a half miles, people. A mile is well water the plants. And I didn't want my plants to die. So I'm sitting there watering my plants, looking at the creatures, holding my gun with the other hand while I'm watering the plants with the other.

And that was the only time. Now, see, I only have one little tiny trail that's kind of made to get up in that grow, and I have an emergency back door. and that was the only time I used that emergency back door and that means you have to crawl through the severely tick-infested trees and thank God I have that suit and like I said if you don't have the suit and I don't know anybody that has a suit that I've got and if you don't have this like my friend came out there with me

when we came back he had 29 ticks on him and I had none So that's what I mean when nobody's crawling out there going out there in these woods because the ticks are so bad people. Well, I wanted to ask you too. So it kind of sounds like it was, and I know what you mean because it's like that here in the Pacific Northwest. You know, sometimes you can't even see within five feet of the foliage because it's so dense. Right. But you can hear things moving around. So things were moving around, you're being growled at. And I kind of get now while you're going.

I've talked to a lot of guys that grow marijuana, and they have all kinds of stories from being charged, bluff charged, being run out of there. And I will say some guys will give it up. Some guys won't. But in your case, obviously, you're using it as medicine for pain and everything else. I kind of don't blame me for leaving. Are they around this property you're around? Or is it? Yes.

Yes. And, okay, and we couldn't believe this. And I've got something else that we found that we've discovered that was really interesting. Okay, now, this area that I am gorilla growing in that we call the nursery, they like this area in the wintertime because it really protects them from the wind. We went down there last winter, not this winter, but the winter before. This is the first winter I was here. And the snow wasn't that bad.

It was really bad this year. It wasn't bad last year. And we went down there to that bog. We followed that horse trail down. And we went down there and we got down to the bog. And the first thing I noticed when we got down there wasn't, we didn't, I didn't see any tracks on the ground besides a lynx track. And a couple of, of all things I have turned the corner. into my gorilla grow and I did run into a lynx.

That wasn't fun. But anyway, face to face with the lynx. I trapped it against some trees and it didn't know what to do. But anyways, I found a whole bunch of crap on the ground and a bunch of tree litter. And these are some white pines. and so I'm looking up in the trees and it was this large swath of white pines and it had all this little crap

on the ground and tree litter but no tracks of any animals and so me and my friend were looking at this we're like what the heck is all this what is leaving all this so we're actually looking for a new area for me to do it to grow, right?

That's what I'm looking for. So, you know, so we're spending about 30, 45 minutes, just kicking around, didn't hear anything at all, right? Didn't see anything else. And so, you know, I'm just thinking, wow, that's kind of weird seeing that. As we're walking out, we're walking up the hill, clap, clap, tree knocking. And then again, from on the other side of us,

tree knocking. We look at each other. No way. No way. And these things follow us up the hill, not on the ground, but in the trees. These things are in the trees in the wintertime. They're not putting tracks on the ground. These things are smart. They are smart.

They're not because we went back down there. Okay. Again, all right? The next time we went back down. You know, we didn't hear a sound. And I'm scouring the ground. These things are not leaving tracks. They're staying in the trees.

But see, the forest is so thick, they can. They can just go jump a tree to tree to tree to tree, never touched the ground ever. Yeah, I swear. I think some of them can. I think once they start to get a little larger, I think I'm not sure that that works. Yeah, once they get a little larger,

but this is another thing I wanted to tell you. from that barn where we were staying before we got this house, it was raining really hard a couple of days, and this was like in the month of April. And there's these two trees. This is at the top of the hill. And we kept always saying, you know,

we always thought we'd seen these creatures in the trees. And we're like, man, there'd be a really good spot to get up in the trees, look for deer, then jump back down the tree, and then go get them. And we've always seen sticks, always piled up on the bottom of these trees.

All right, my friend pointed this out to me, and I didn't really notice this, right? Well, one day he was at work, and I went outside, and I looked, and I go, wow, there's, there's, it looks thicker at the bottom of those trees than normal. So I took a couple of pictures of zoomed up. The next day, I went out.

It was cleared up a little bit. The trees looked completely different. I took the pictures and we got the comparison photos. Those things sleep in the trees and they sleep in these trees. Okay. And these are the bottom, the very bottom limbs that are coming out. And these are big limbs that are coming out. And these things are dragging other tree limbs, live limbs.

up with them and covering them up, covering them up, and they're sleeping only like 12, 15 feet up off the ground. So even the big ones are sleeping up off the ground that I'm guessing because, you know, even in only when, you know, it's really bad rain, only bad storms. But when, but I want to tell you, where this gorilla grow I have, there are four or five actual nests within 200 yards from this from those grow that we cut out

and i think this that big boy was sleeping that day in one of those nests that he built where we were cutting and we woke him up and i know they sleep down there quite a bit and they are there and i know that they're that they're there approximately every five to seven days the family pod but there's also a group of three juveniles and sometimes they break up to two or one that come around and there's one other thing uh they're not nighttime only these guys are daytime i was out on that deck playing with some plants this was last summer this is the month of at one o'clock in the afternoon. And I heard a tree knock.

I'm like, a tree knock. Are you kidding me? I had two pieces of wood right next to me, so I knocked them together. Not even more than two minutes later, I heard this. I was like, no way. And it was coming from that field.

And last year was the most epic year for ticks. So I know that there was nobody out there because the grass out there in that field was already up to your chest. So I know nobody was out there. No way. And I know that that was the juveniles because those are the only ones

that communicate that way or even do that because I think they were checking, hey, are you the big boy? Or, you know, who are you over there? You know, who are you over there? You're checking out who's there. But I just couldn't believe that.

One o'clock in the afternoon. These guys are not just nighttime only. These guys are coming around during the day. Sounds like a very unique situation. Have they ever messed with your plants? Okay. The first time that I got charged, the next time I went back to the grow,

which was two days later, it hadn't rained for three days. The ground wasn't that wet. I have a specific little path that goes up to the grow. You have to hit it just right. When I started going up there, I started seeing the tracks from the big boy. Well, I know it was the big boy is because it stopped right at the entrance. And the track went into the ground four inches deep.

The soil wasn't that wet. With my boot on, I was stomping into the ground and I couldn't even penetrate a half inch. That's why I told you, I was guessing this guy had to been well over a thousand pounds to do that. But no, no, and that's what I couldn't figure out. You know, I'm sitting there right next to the guy's bedroom. I cut out, you know, this big, large swat. And, you know, I get growled out. I get charged at, you know, all this stuff.

I get escorted out all the time. They come right to the entrance to my grow. And he just turned around and he walked out the other way because I followed the tracks out. He went out a different way. And that was the only time, the only time they went right into the entrance of my grower. but he did not enter the grow. Why? I don't know.

I really don't know. And so this is the only reason why I'm going back to the same spot. I'm doing it again. I know this sounds stupid people. I know it sounds crazy. But if they're not messing with it and they're going to keep people out, that's where I want to go. This is what I want to do it.

Because there's nobody there. There's nobody going there. And really, I'm not saying where this is at, folks. If you really knew where this is at, you would really be going, what? Yeah. No, I think Maine is good enough. It's, you know, the thing with the marijuana is, and I've asked a lot of the guys off here, did they mess with, did you ever get your plants messed with?

And I'll say 99% of the time, the answer. No, they don't mess with them at all. But it's for people out there who don't know about it, I mean, you got to usually walk a mile or two, get your water, walk it all the way back, water, everything. And what's interesting is a lot of times with these guys, they were report being watched and being stalked while they're doing this. And it's fascinating. The only time I've ever heard of a Sasquatch, there was a moonshine operation one time a guy

was telling me about, and he caught one of these creatures in there drinking some of they're moonshine. Oh, yeah, because I know they like that mesh. Yeah. That corn mesh. I know they have a taste for that from what I've heard, you know. So that's one thing. But they don't like this stuff because I know the deer don't like it.

And yeah, it just amazed me because I figured I would have came back and that whole entire area would have been just torn to shreds. I really thought it would be. And to be honest with you, I really thought, you know, that last time I was there, they were going to come out and tear me a new one because I thought they were about had it with me. I think that first summer, you know, you know, back in August of 2006, they were shocked that I even tracked him down to that one area down that bog because I know no humans go down there and there hasn't been any activity down there.

And I actually, and one thing that we have done that I do that I make sure that I do is I smoke a cigar and we put that scent out so that every time that we're out in the woods and if they spell that cigar, they know it's, us and when they come up to the barn and we're smoking the cigar you know they know that it's us and the last time we the night that the night before we moved out um oh and check this out the the house that we bought we had to wait 52 days to move in the lady was just being a rat okay we had to go camping for 52 days. The campground that we chose, this is how we figured out their migratory pattern.

Preachers were also out at this campground because this campground is also part of their territory. And their house,

now it kind of sounds like those Ohio house, but it's a little bit different. And the reason reason that this is what I came up with. It's like taking somebody from Austin, Texas, and taking

somebody from Boston. It's like an accent. It just sounds a little bit different. But when we moved here to this new house, and this is one thing I didn't mention to you before when I talked to you on the phone,

back in October, I heard a different kind of how. and I don't know if this is what they call around here that dog man but it was a different kind of how and I heard this

not too long ago either before too but I called it in by doing a by doing a knock but this thing had red glowing eyes and where it came into the edge of the forest

the next day I went in and we found a track to it where it came into the, we have a cemetery here on the other side of this road, and it came into the edges of the cemetery, but this they had red glowing eyes, but this had a completely different howl. So I don't know if it was a different creature or if they have like different accents. But when we're out in this campground,

we know there was the same family because we actually saw the same glowing eyes at our campsite where my friend did because I was actually a, sleep because he was up late that night. He said he saw the glowing eyes, the same glowing eyes, but we've heard him howling off in the distance, always around three o'clock in the morning, two, three o'clock in the morning. Seems like that's when they get their dinner. Yeah, no, I tend to agree with you. I know there's been so much that's gone on and you've had so many encounters out there. And a lot of those guys, like I said, I mean, I've talked to a lot of guys doing grow operations and they

I mean they can tell you stories all day long about stuff they've seen out there I wanted to ask you though what do you think Sasquatch is this is you know I know you've asked these to a lot of people this is what I want to tell you Sasquatch is the thing

that actually belongs on this planet and we don't I don't think we actually belong here I think we actually came from somewhere else because when you see these things walk through the forest, these things belong in the forest. When I saw this thing walking

away from me, it wasn't bobbing around. It was like gliding away. We have trouble. I have trouble walking around in these forests. You know, we have trouble even just surviving in these forests. These things are made for these forests, right?

Okay. Now, I want to ask you this. We don't have any mummified remains of Neanderthals, do we? No. Okay, so why are they putting skin on it? Because they wanted to make it more human-like to make themselves feel better.

I think you put fur on that Neanderthal, and I think that's more of a Sasquatch, don't you think? Yeah, I would tend to agree with you on that. I know Danny Findermeini has that theory, and I tend to agree with that. Yeah, see, and I think so too. Now, I believe that I know that's kind of far out. out there, but look, we might share a little bit of genetics with them, but I think they're the

things that belong on this planet. They're the ones that belong in those forests. So you think they're more of a Neanderthal? Is that kind of what you're saying? Yeah, they're more of the older species, the more of the throwbacks, you know, the things have been around on this planet a lot longer. and and you know or a more modern species even if you if you want to say that you know a more modern species of a Neanderthal that is adapted to the forest you know that could be but I think that

you know they're more of animal than anything else because from what I seen and from way they act towards me out there in the forest is more animal than it is human-like. But they do, they do show some human-like attributes like that night when they brought their kids to say goodbye to us. That's what it seemed like to us. It seems weird, right? But they did because the parents were off in the back and they let the kids come up and play. They show some things that kind of like,

human-like, but I'm telling you they're more animal than they are human. But they communicate in a way that is not like animals. I can tell you that. They are an in-between. That's about the best that I can tell you. Now, when they came up to the back, were the, I mean, were these things in plain view? or were they the little ones or were they kind of Okay this is yeah this is at night

Okay right at the very edge You know because I'm still gonna tell you where this is gonna be off air and everything right But right at the very tip of where this force Comes to it's like a little lip edge They came right to the very edge of it and there you couldn't They were hanging right at the very edge looking at us They are on the ground, crawling on the ground. Okay.

The smallest one was basically like sitting on the rock. There's like this big rock that's like at the very edge of the, you know, because everything's outlined with this, because everything's boundaryed with a rock wall, right? So like it's like sitting at the very edge of the rock and the two ones that are a little bit bigger than it. We're crawling on the ground. But they started in the trees. They climbed down from the trees onto the ground and then crawled on the ground. I gotcha.

Yeah. So that's how they came in to get in closer to us. And they just kept entering the word closer and closer. And all we did is we kept talking to them. Like, hey, hi. And in fact, I think I even threw an apple at them. And that's when one of the parents growled at us. That's when my buddy goes, I think I won't growled at you.

I go, okay, I won't do that again. Yeah, no, I hear you. Well, let me ask you this, Jacey. So you guys sold this property? Do you no longer have access to this area? Well, okay. No, we were actually renting it. And actually,

my friend, his office is connected to this property. Okay, so we still have access to this property. I saw, okay, and you can enter any of this section of forest from many different parts. And believe me, I've entered this forest for many different sections, okay? So, I mean, this specific section, which is probably like seven square miles section, and this is where I've had the most encounters. And like I said, I've only gone out once and not had an encounter once. All right.

And this is why I tell these people from that show, my God, come out. Get a hold of Wes here. I'll give you your fine and big foot, all right? and I'm not out trying to find it, okay? Really, I'm not. But yeah, yeah, I saw his office is there, and I told you he's a professional in the community. So, yeah, and in two weeks, I'm going to be right back out there again.

You have to come back for an update. Will you let us know if anything happens when you go back out there? And this time, this time, like I told you, I'm more confident this year because the laws have changed around here. I'm not worried. I got a GoPro this year and two cameras that I'm going to be putting up in areas that I know I have activity. So I hope to get them on film for you, for myself. Really.

I want to see that big boy on film. So I know that I'm not going crazy. Yeah, I don't think you're going crazy. But you'll definitely have to come back, JC. I'd love to know what happens. I definitely will. You know, and we definitely know we have a lot more to share, but boy, I don't even know where to,

I just keep going all day. but I got too many stories. Probably got two minutes time. Yeah, well, I'll definitely have to have you back. We'll have to do it in two weeks after you go out there, whether you find anything or not. And then maybe I'll have you back, and we can go into some other things

that you have seen and experienced while you're out there. Yeah, like the tools that I found and stuff that they've been using and stuff, yeah. Yeah, I'd love to hear more about that. I can't wait to have you back, J.C. Thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, you betcha. You betcha. Thanks. You got it. Thanks for having me. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email.

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