Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:444 Hunter has intense encounter

Episode Date: June 17, 2018

A listener writes "I had a very intense encounter with an angry Sasquatch in 2007. It completely changed who I am. For the better part of 11 years I've done armchair research on the subject and just recently went back into the woods. I've only heard one encounter that comes close to what happened to me that day, not that I think it hasn't happened to anyone else but that it has and they're just not coming forward like me. I'd like to tell my story and share my experience with you." Spoke to the witness and he said "I never believed in bigfoot, I didn't care about the subject. If they existed it was a Pacific Northwest problem in my mind. The day I was turkey hunting in Mississippi changed my life. I saw what I thought was a black guy walking towards me. An African American family owned most of the land around that hunting lease so I assumed it was my neighbor. As this thing got closer I realized it was not a human. This thing was massive, it went nuts. It was looking at me, I saw everything. I reached for my gun and that is when it went really crazy. It knew what that gun was, no doubt in my mind and it was not happy I was reaching for it. I thought for sure I was going to die."

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was a horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me,

and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here.

What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. Going to be talking to Carrie. And Carrie had a very terrifying encounter when he was out hunting. He came face to face with one of these creatures, changed his whole life. And it's a very fascinating account.

You'll kind of have to watch the behavior of what happened to carry because it's not a normal charge from the creature. It's like it came up and yelled at them. It's probably one of the more fascinating accounts I've heard. If you've had an encounter and he'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, please visit Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member, get additional shows. Check it out if you get a free moment.

I want to take a moment to wish all of the dads out there. Happy Father's Day. I hope you're spending time with your family and wish you the best. So happy Father's Day to all the dads listening. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Carrie to the show. Carrie, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having you.

Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know for the audience, if you go to YouTube and type in Bigfoot Odyssey, Carrie's channel will actually come up. But thank you again, Carrie, for being here. If you would, would you kind of start from the very beginning. Tell us what you were out doing and walk us into what you ran into. It was around 1999. I had, I lost a lot of people close to me.

Both my parents, grandparents, my best friend, I made nine funerals in 10 months. It was not a good year. And, you know, yes, I really didn't have time to get over one before the next one hit. so it kind of messed me up a little bit. It introverted me, maybe a little bit of recluse. So I stayed in the woods by myself. I just hunted a lot. And a guy that I worked with said his grandfather had some property in Collins, Mississippi,

which is just 30 minutes up the road from where I live in Hattiesburg. And said no one hunting on. And I was like, well, let me out with your grandfather. You know, so he did. I didn't know with his grandpa, and we had a deal. Give him half of everything that I take out, and I can have free reigns of a place. It was a heck of a deal.

Well, they said it was 240 acres, but it seemed a lot bigger than that. It was all fenced in, but it was still on the edge a national forest. It butted up to it. And the property was long, rectangular, longer east to west and north.

And the landscape, if you put your hand down on the desk, that's what the landscape was. Around the tips of your fingers would be a long creek bottom. And then there would be a little upshoots and what we actually called finger bottoms

with rolling hills, like would be your fingers. And I mean, it's perfect habitat and full. It was so thick. And it took me years just to develop the place, just to get it cleaned out and shooting lanes, shooting houses. You know, I really made it

my own. I hunted in there for seven years from early 2000 until March of 2007. Well, it was probably it was the deer season of 2006. I was getting some good bucks on camera

but they weren't coming out in the daytime. So what I decided to do, they would come out, you know, 30 minutes after dark and feed. So what I decided I would do is I would go further down into the tree bottoms from to come out of the bedding area. So I could catch them while it was still daylight traveling to, you know, the feeding area. And while I was down there, it got dark. I mean, I never saw anything. But right beside me to my left, a bunch of turkeys. You got up to roots.

I mean, just 50 feet away from me. Good crap out of me. I know what the turkeys are. I can go turkey hunting because I never turkey. I tried a turkey hunt in there once, but I didn't even know if there were turkeys in there. I just went out there in the spring and called and never got anything. Well, now I know where the turkeys are. I can go turkey hunting.

So turkey season rolls around. I'd actually gone and found a place. We were relatively clear. Just a few trees here and there, but it was about half the size of the way. of a football field. And it was surrounded by thicket. I mean, really thick, open in certain areas, but mostly surrounded by figure. So it was easy to burn off.

I just walked all the way around the edge and burn it. That's what I'd heard, so that's what I did. A nice little place to set up there to turkey hunt. And this area, if you actually look at it like a football field, north and south would be sidelines. east and west end zones. The south side line drops off down into that creek bottom, and that creek bottom wraps around and makes a grade back up the east,

southeast corner from the end zone and around the east end zone up to the northeast end zone. There's a game trail goes all the way down the north end zone toward the east, really big wide game trail. A lot of stuff used it. Well, I set up in the northwest, corner, not all the way in the corner, but close to a northwest corner of the end zone where I could see. I could look out across to the southwest corner, and I could see the whole area, and that was the direction that I thought the turkeys would be coming from anyway, because that's where I found

them. So it was March the 10th, 2007. I got up early, got my four-wheel loaded. I actually, I've driven to the man's house. The property was behind their house, their whole family living on the road there. Cammoed out, had my net on my face, black under my eyes, a condo hat. You got the camo out because turkeys are not very smart. But if they see you, it's over. You do have to hide from them. Yeah.

And I walked in, this, I rode my full-wheeler down to where the lease road started. You kind of had to drive down the pavement a little bit to where, to go into the property. The road that went through it, it cut right down to the middle and then to the center and then turned and ran all the way along the center of the property throughout. It was a bad locking road. Sometimes I would drive halfway down at my four-wheeler. Sometimes I would, on this particular day, I part my full-wheeler right in the front.

Since I came in, I part my four-wheeler, and I got out and I walked, it was probably almost a half a mile. I was going to enjoy my turkey hunt. If I got in, it was probably just around daylight, got set up. I had some brush in front of me, had my little chair, sat down. I called. I had a chirp in my mouth. I had a box call, and I had a locator.

There's different kinds of locators for turkeys. But when I had, you shake. You shake it, and it sounds like there's a goblar around. And he's interested. He's, well, I probably called for a better part of two hours. but with no response. Finally, I started to get some action. I can hear Turkey's gobbling.

And it probably took another 30 minutes of calling for me to actually see that they were coming my way. And when I did see them, I could see a few jakes in the front, young males, and a bunch of hands. It might have been 30 total, a bunch of turkeys. But they were coming up, that game trail, and either side of them. through the woods. When I got to maybe 30, 40 feet before coming into the clearing,

I think they're coming from the opposite end. I'm all the way back in the back. I'm 80 feet from where I am to the edge of the little clear area. So they're still getting 120 feet away from me. Too far to shoot. But they stopped, and some of the ones in the front

that were on the game trail perked up, you know, like poke their head up. and then just a few seconds later, they were all gone. I mean, they just exploded to the north, getting hacked out of there like something was after them. Oh, they saw some. I didn't think they had seen me, but I'm upset and disappointed.

And just about the time I can't hear them anymore. I can hear what sounds like somebody walking through that creek bottle, straight out across from me, down the south side. line, they're walking toward the east end zone of that clearing. Well, I stood up and looked to see if I could see who it was, and I couldn't see anybody. So, you know, frustrated. I plop my back against a pine tree, a big pine tree was right behind me.

I put my gun down to my left, had my left hand around the grip. I put my right hand up around the butt, like a boat paddle. Well, when I finally could see that it was somebody, I could see his head from his, will blow his neck up. It was a black guy, which made perfect sense. The property I was on belonged to an old black man, and his whole family lived. There's nieces, nephew, son's daughters, you know, it's one of them. They're out there loss or something.

And walking through the worst, thickest stuff there was there. so he's definitely coming to where I am and he's looking at me but snap his head and look at me and look back where he was going snap his head and look back where he was going so I raised my hand and wave like you know I'm right here

don't shoot me I won't shoot you which none of us dawned off me at the time how in the world he knew where I was but anyway he starts to make his way up of the grade the east end zone like he's coming across

the east side of that clearing up to where I am there's a little clear area I'm paying a whole lot of attention to him watching things about what I'm going to say to him when I get to where I can see through the thick there and I can see

most of this camouflage well that didn't set very well because if he's wearing camouflage then he's hunting he's hunting on my least and now I'm really upset oh I got you

You broke up there for a second, but when you first saw him carry, you thought he's wearing camouflage or like a gilly suit or something? I got you. No, it looked, yeah. I didn't not really so much a gilly suit, but it looked like camo. And there's a reason for that. So now I'm really upset. He's wearing camo, and that means he's hunting. He's hunting on my lease, and I don't know who this is.

I'm thinking about what I'm going to say to this guy. I'm looking. It looks like a fat black guy with a bunch of clothes on. Well, there's two pine trees. They weren't real small, but they weren't really big either. Probably 10 inch pine trees, 25 feet tall, about two feet apart from each other. And in a little clear area, like line of sight through the full thicket there, maybe 10 feet down, about 10 feet down, that he sends on grade. And that's where he's about to intersect. I'm watching, and it doesn't really hit me that this is anything other than a black guy.

He gets about 10 feet away from him, and he reaches his hand out. He reaches his arm out and this extremely long arm. And I can see the skin on the inside of his arm. That was, I still didn't register to me what it was at that point, but I knew something was off. I knew that he wasn't wearing a gilly suit. he wasn't wearing clothes. And he grabbed a hold of one of those pine trees and he pulled himself right up to it. And he pulled that pine tree right or pulled himself right up to that pinesry like the security blanket.

And he put it right up next to his chest, his right shoulder. And he squared up at me. And when he, when he turned his body completely to me, that's when I could see how big this guy was. and it all happened pretty quick, but it didn't completely register to me that this was anything other than a guy until he opened his mouth. Now, he was as straight face as he could be until he stopped. His face completely changed. When he opened his mouth, and I could see his teeth,

it was the whitest teeth I ever saw, and his mouth was huge. And he had that real Pranathus mouth. mouth and jaw, you know, it's kind of ape-like, but not really, you know, it sticks out. Yeah. And, I mean, the blood just rushed from my face. I mean, I knew right away what it was then. There was no, I mean, this is, this was a satch watch. This is what everyone was called a saswatch, but it was so hard.

It was so, it was so shocking because of where I was. you know, it wasn't that I didn't believe in. That's why I didn't really care. You know, it wasn't anything that I studied or ever worried about because it wasn't anywhere around where I was going to be. You know, that's preserved for the mountains, the northwest, you know, if it's real. I don't, you know, that was probably, that was probably my stance before that very moment. But he opened his mouth and he started, he started kind of growling and making this noise.

ungodly sound that his face looked very demonic and the sound he was making was very demonic but it was if you listen to the Sierra sounds

on Moorhead and the two staffs watch on there that are they sound like they're griping at each other but it's very abrupt that that unnerving tone

yeah that was the same except it wasn't out of abrupt. And I don't, I don't know if he had, if it was language, if he was trying to talk. No doubt he was griping at me

about something I was doing because he was looking right at me. And I'm, I'm completely and totally terrified. I mean, I could feel that fear well up in the back of your throat, you know.

And I'm standing there. I'm not even sure I can move. I wasn't trying to move. I'm still standing that same position holding my gun, same way. And he's making that, that noise. And I guess I get the nerve to just reach my hand down.

I want to reach my hand down and get my hand on the grip of that shotgun. I had a banelli, three and a half inch, 12-gauge automatic. That was illegal. I had a plug unit. So I had three shots. Eyebrass number four. Now, every other time I had hunted in there, I had a 7mm magnet. Except for that day.

I didn't need it. I was turkey hunting. So that was a real concern at that moment. but before I could get my hand on the grip and he saw what I was doing, he started rocking back and forth, I mean, really fast. It ups, that really upset it. He knew what that gun was. There's no doubt about that.

And he blew at me. I say blue. It was like a hub. It wasn't really a yell. But, you know, it was all really quick. As I'm putting my hand down to try to get on that grip. It was rocked back and forth. And probably as I'm getting my hand on the grip, it's,

wah, you know, like, no, you know, you're not doing that. But it hit me. That sound hit me like a wave, like he was throwing it at me. You know, somebody startles you and you jump, you know, that's what I did. I can feel it. I felt it in my spine. I felt it in my organs, my liver. And when it hit me, I guess that was enough for me to move

and actually get off of that tree. I took about four steps out into that clearing where now I'm out from under the limbs that pine tree. I can see the pine tree, the top of the pine tree he's holding on to, and it's with it. I mean, this is a tree three of three people couldn't do, couldn't make live

the way he was making it with. I mean, he wasn't shaking it. He was just still holding on to it and rocking back forth. And, you know, it's causing it to whip back, whip like that's how, what I'm saying is, he was massive. That's how big this style was.

well now I'm ready I still put my gun at him but I'm standing there thinking what I'm going to do when he comes at me because in my mind that's what he's getting ready to do and I mean I got high brass number fours and I mean this is this is a cow you know whatever high brass number four

is going to do to a cow at that distance that's what it's going to do to him so I'm going to have to let him get close so that's what I'm thinking is what I've got he may die later but he's still probably going to get me I'm thinking, okay, I'm working, I shoot him. You know, I try to shoot him in the head and the face and then run while I'm reloading. These are the things that are going through my head.

Well, during all that, he stopped, shaking, went back to making that noise for a couple more seconds, and then everything stopped. And we both stood there. It might have been for five seconds. It felt like a lot longer. And then he let go of the tree. He turned his body to the right. right, and he cocked his head to the side like a dog would.

He didn't turn his head. He cocked his head to the side. He looked right down his nose and across his shoulder, and never took his eyes off me. He took a couple of steps for that northeast end zone on that game trail. There was a thicket and turned and walked quarter away from me and eventually walked dead away from me. He was the thick of stuff there.

I mean, he could have walked clear down that game trail, but he stayed in the I guess I couldn't see him because I can still hear him walking but I couldn't see him anymore I could still a little bit like Bush's move for a second and then nothing but I could still hear him walking away

very instantly and then when he got probably maybe 60 50 or 60 feet away that's when he yelled and when he yelled it sounded like it was like a whip like a baboon is what it sounded like I mean, just after he did it, there's not another sound in the woods.

I mean, there's not a bird chirping, not a cricket, nothing. I mean, the breeze blowing a little bit. I'm still standing there holding my gun, and I can remember looking to my left, because I was still pretty close with some thick stuff. You know, I was checking to see if anything was, you know, right there beside me. And I probably stood there for a couple of minutes until I could, well, way I explained it is I finally realized I was breathing. It wasn't that I wasn't breathing, I guess,

but I could actually feel myself breathing. Now, I was breathing heavy. I can feel everything's starting to close in on me, and I'm still got that gut-wrenched butterflies, you know, like I'm going to die. I turn around, I picked up my backpack, I left everything else there. It's probably still laying there.

And I walked out at West End Zone towards the road to get out of there. telling myself the entire time but that was a big foot that was a big foot holy crap that was a big foot you know not believing what was happening but I still wasn't out of the woods

no pun intended so I got to the road and I was so terrified I mean just being in there I would jump you know I couldn't hear anything it was not like there was anything

following me or chasing me but my body was twitch and I was taking really short quick steps and I would stop and listen and I would wasn't running but it was like walk fast get out of there you know and I can remember on the way out there's always this one place it was there's a bottom area it was kind of swampy and I always got creeped out right there I mean not always but if I ever got creeped out it was always right there I was and I'm thinking to myself that I'm going to out this is where they're waiting for me, you know. So, and I'm praying, you know, just, just to get out of there.

When I get to that point, there's nothing there. So I actually start to feel a little bit better about that, as I don't have that much further to go. When the road turns and goes up the hill where my four-wheeler is, and the forest is about 200 feet away at this point, it starts to open up. I'm actually starting to feel a lot better about getting out of there. So I start up that hill and I stop. I stopped.

I turned around. And in probably about two seconds, I heard a tree limb. Whatever it was was fresh. But it was far enough back behind me. If it was on the ground, there's no way anything to the same to do there. So I think it might have been of a tree. But that's the point where I actually turned. and ran.

I ran to my four-wheeler. I got on. I drove up to the house, pushed my floor. I didn't load my full-liter. I posted up beside the house. It was probably still rolling when I got off of it. I got in my truck,

grabbed my 7-Mag out of the back, made sure it was loaded. And I sat there. I sat there for probably 20 minutes, 10 to 20 minutes, just collected myself and disbelief. Yeah. What I didn't get to,

what I thought was Camel. sludge on this thing was mud. He was black, but he had mud all over, and his hair was, it was definitely hair. It wasn't fur. It was hair because I can still see his dark gray skin underneath in spots. But he had mud all over his right side, all over his right chest, leaves matted up in there. He was a mess. He'd been laying down in that creek bed.

Yeah, it's fascinating, Carrie. I mean, the whole encounter is, Very fascinating. I wanted to ask you, you made a comment there in the beginning. I get the sound sounds demonic, but you had mentioned his appearance, look demonic. Can you talk more about that and maybe describe exactly what you saw? Did it look more human-like? Would you say it was more ape-like? When I first saw him, he looked human. I mean, this looked like a guy. But, you know, I'm looking from a distance through thicket. and it could have been my brain just telling me, hey, this is one of Mr. McGee's kids out here, you know, more than if I'd actually known or had any clue what was out there, I might have recognized what it was before then.

But had heavy brow ridge, he had a wide nose, but his nose was pointed. The way I've always described it is he had a nose like Scotty Piffin. That's exactly what it was like. at the big bridge protruding wide nose but kind of pointed

heavy brow ridge deep set eyes I saw like the seed was black in the eyes his hair line started just above his brow ridge

there was no forehead very long his head was shaped like a football right at the top pointed at the chin he didn't have a very wide jaw but he had a very very wide mouth and his cheeks

really really big and round like everything about him was out of proportion when I was able to see his arms were so long and his forearms were massive way bigger than his bicep no not that it didn't have big biceps but his forearms you know as far as proportion wise the muscle that goes across the top of your forearm the way he moved that tree he could have pulled it up and grown to that I mean, he was just, he had his teeth were extremely white. He had canines on the top and the bottom that were a little bit longer than the rest of his teeth. He had a gap in his two front teeth.

And at one point there, he had through for some reason. He stuck his tongue out. He peeled his wits back and stuck his tongue straight out through his teeth. Like he was tasting the air. He wasn't poking at me. just sticking it out. I don't know what that was about, but... What color was this tongue by chance?

Same color as mine and yours. I got you. He was tall. He was standing down that grade. He didn't look that tall walking up. He didn't look that big at all, really. Not that I can recall walking up. Like I said, he looked like a fat, a fat guy. He wasn't really...

Schwarzenated up. There was no like feet down to a slim waist. He was straight up and down his shoulders to his hips, you know, very wide, very thick. But still tall, I'm 6'4, about 250, and he was still tall than me, standing down after 8. I would say over 17 easily. But I think he was young. I don't think he was an old one. I think he was, he might have been old, I don't know, just my opinion. Yeah. They ran me out of there. Yeah, it's fascinating, especially

the way he came up and you said it sounded like the Ron Moorhead sounds. And, you know, it's, it is odd when you hear that because the whole encounter fascinates me because he didn't, he came up and it was more or less like yelling at you to leave. It really wasn't

like a roar. He didn't really rush you. He didn't throw anything at you. It was more or less, it kind of sounds like he was kind of cussing you out. telling you to, I mean, that was my impression. What was your impression? I mean, you were there. He wanted me to know he was coming.

I mean, he scared the turkeys off. Maybe that was what it was. I don't know. See, the turkeys had a direct line of sight to him through that creek bottom from where, from their vantage point, since they saw him, they were gone. And I think he was looking at me to make sure I wasn't pointing my gun at him. That's just what I think. I don't know.

I don't know. I think they tried to run me out of there plenty of times. I just wasn't smart enough to realize what was going on. And when you say that, what do you mean when you say that? What happened before? I could be in my tree climber, 20 feet up a pine tree, and it sounded like a truck coming through the wood. I mean, limbs pop and breaking. I mean, in my mind, it's a big buck, you know, looking back and thinking back,

a buck's not going to pop a bunch of limbs coming through the cliff. It's just not going to happen. But to me, that's all it could be. he's coming and gets right to the edge of the thick or brush or wherever and then stuff that probably happens five or six times a lot of stuff happens every time i go in out here knocking but it sounds like it's coming from the direction of the house something well they're up there beating on something it sounds like a hammer on a piece of plywood you know that had rhythm pow pow pow pow wow wow bow bow bow wow somebody's hammered on something but they were always doing

I can't say it was every time, but it was over the course of seven years, I heard it a lot. But I also heard it camping out there by myself, 2 o'clock in the morning. I'm like 300 yards away, and I hear that, wow, bow, bow, and then the other direction, I could hear it again.

Pow, oh, bow, bow, bow, bow. No, it was a lot. It was me in there like that. I could be in my shooting house and hear footsteps. To my right, I could see out the front and the back. You know, I couldn't see out the size. That's where it was.

What my shooting house was, it was cleared out, so it was, you know, 20 feet that was thicket. And it sounds like something walking on the edge of that thicket, you know, sneaking, slip it like a big buff would do. And I'm just waiting and waiting, you know. Nothing ever comes out, so I put my head out and look, and there's nothing there. You know, that happened a few times.

I could, I remember one time being in my shooting house, the shooting house in the front was, I had a lane cut, and it's a long grade down to the creek bottom, to the creek bed, and up past that about 500 yards up the hill to the right is his house. It's probably 3 o'clock in the afternoon, one afternoon, and I can hear kids playing down there in that creek bottom, yelling at each other, screaming. Well, I mean, I can't shoot that way now. My hunt is over. So I can get out to walk down there and tell them to get the butt back up to the house, you know. When I get down there, there's nothing there. That's violent. I don't even hear kids playing up with the house now.

Yeah, it sounds like a lot of strange things. I was telling you about the guy, the first time I ever heard that was the guy in Oregon, and he was out here hunting. And I know, and you and I talked about this before, Kerry, but it was fascinating because I know exactly where he was at. I know the general area. And it's like I was telling you, it's middle of nowhere. I mean, it really is a middle of nowhere where he's going. You're not going to find it on Google Maps anywhere.

And he was up there and he heard it sound like kids laughing and playing. You know, five o'clock in the morning, middle of the Mount Hood National Forest, you know, and you can't get anything, you know, unless you have a big truck with a four-wheel drive, you're not going to get in there. And it just didn't add up. And it's odd that you heard that too because I hear a lot of people, especially when they have these things on their property, they'll talk about that.

You know, weird hours in the morning, they'll hear kids out there playing, and they can't quite make sense of it. And I think we generally pass it off. Wouldn't you agree, Carrie? I mean, like you hear the knocking and assume, well, what makes sense? Obviously, it makes sense that one of your neighbors

would be up there banging on something. That makes the most sense. But when you hear it at 2 o'clock in the morning, 3 o'clock in the morning, from different directions, it kind of makes you stop and go, what's going on here? Well, a rational thinking person,

which I thought I was, in my mind, it's a buck, hitting on some bamboo or something. But realistically, you know, in actuality, a buck's going to rattle on something. It's not going to have rhythm. But, I mean, you rationalize, you lie to yourself. This is what it's got to be. What else could it possibly be? I never researched Bigfoot. I saw Patterson Gingham as a kid growing up, but, I mean, it wasn't an interest, you know, not until this had happened.

to me that I ever even look into it. So I didn't know anything. I mean, I treated as a near death experience when reality, if he wanted to kill me, he was snuck up on me and got me. That's not what it was. He wanted me, and I think the only reason he even showed himself to me is just he knew who I was. He'd been watching me for seven years.

Watched me, I probably put 60 deer out of there, at least eight to 10 deer every year. There was so many in there. I don't know if I fooled him up there sound like a turkey, and he's slipping up in the creek bed and looks and sees it's me and it just sets him off, or if it was that he didn't want me shooting the turkeys, you know, whatever it was, he had had enough of me. I say him, there was more than one. There was at least a family in there. And the reason that I really know this is about two seasons before then, I had gone off. down into the creek bottoms to hunt.

I've been out there for so long at that point. You know complacency set there. You know everything. You know where everything is. You're good. Well, it got dark. As I'm coming out, I got lost. And it's the wrong time to get lost.

Mist and rain. So there's no stars, no moon. You know, you can't hear traffic. And once it gets dark, I don't care who you are in the woods. they all look the same. You lose your direction. Well, that's what happened to me. And I had a bright light, and I had my life with it.

And it's probably the beginning to February. And I'm tromping through them, but I find the creek bottle. So I know if I find the creek bottom, I can follow it out. I know where it comes out. But that's what I'm doing. I'm walking through that creek bed to get out of there. And the story that I told at the time was I walked right up in the middle of a bunch of hogs.

I mean, if you know anything about hogs in South Mississippi, they're very dangerous. Especially a mama with a little one

or even a male or razor back they're a dangerous animal. I don't know if I shine my light on, but I've probably got 10 feet away from them.

All of a sudden just commotion grunting and leaves and some went to my left, some went to my right, and I'm looking for a tree to get up. You know,

But I distinct the way they, the sounds they were making didn't sound like hog. It was more like, more like that, you know. Not so much a hog, maybe it wasn't exactly like that. But it didn't sound like hog. And it's not the fact that I've never seen a hog out there in seven years or sign of one. But I never saw a sign of anything. I never saw a track, a big foot track or any kind of tree structure that I thought was out of the ordinary. I'm sure they were there.

And if I've been looking for it, I would have found them. But I never saw, I didn't have any clue. That was clueless otherwise. But I distinctly remember hearing five people walking. They didn't go away from me. They thought to be beside of me. They've got the high ground, you know. I'm in the street bottom.

But I can hear. They went straight back behind me and stopped. That was it. I'm just now waiting to get rushed, you know. was ready to shoot my rifle in any direction. But I could hear, I'm like two feet walking. And I thought that was bizarre at the time. But, I mean, I never told anybody that.

It didn't, there was no reason to. I got you. But it wasn't until after the fact, you know, once the dust cells looking back on everything that happened to me out there, they were there the whole time. And they tolerated me to a certain degree. I lost deer. I probably lost five.

or six deer, just ones that I, an eight point buck that I had shot early in the morning. I heard him crash. It was so early, I felt, I sat just if I could get another one, you know. Now, nine, 30, 10 o'clock rolls around, I get down, go look for my deer, and he's gone. I find where he went down. I find lung blood, but he's gone. I mean, in those creek bottoms, it's all in the bottoms and up on the wreaths. and up on the ridge lines, it's prime.

So there's lots of leaves on the ground, and they're all stirred up from possums and poins and whatever else walks through there. So it's not like a definitive track, you know. I look for that thing all day and they've never found it. Now I firmly believe they picked them up. I mean, they picked everyone I couldn't find. But, I mean, stuff and snippy deer are not huge, you know. 110 pounds is a big dough.

200 pounds is a huge buck. So I shoot a 7 mag. The reason I shoot a 7 mag is because I don't feel like hunting for them. You know, they normally drop right there. You know, they normally drop pretty close, yeah. And it's fascinating, Carrie, because you hear a lot of hunters who, your story isn't as unique as you might think it is. I mean, I've heard of a lot of other hunters in the situation where, same thing,

year after year, you know, the worst thing you can do is lose an elk. or you can lose what you're shooting or what you've actually shot. A lot of people think of hunters as these, you know, guys that go out and just slaughter or whatever. No, you get a hunter that actually kills an animal, and if he loses that animal, you might see a hunter break down in tears because he feels terrible about it, not being able to find the animal. It's the biggest concern you have.

And you hear a lot of hunters in positions like this where they're like, I followed the blood trail, and it just like a UFO picked up and walked off with it. I mean, it was just gone. And there's nothing out there that can pick up, quote-unquote, there's nothing out there that can pick up a deer and walk off with it, according to science.

But it happens a lot. And I've run into hunters that have caught Sasquatch in the act of picking up their deer and their elk and walking off with it. Well, you know, a real hunter doesn't shoot at everything. You know, I let a lot of deer walk. And you find that with most hunters. I mean, they're not gun trigger happen. be like most people think.

Hunter is generally not going to shoot something. A, he's not going to be able to like a one shot type kill where he knows he's got a good shot. You'll see a lot. I've been with a lot of hunters, man. If they don't have a good shot, they won't take it. Even if it's like a 50-50 or a 60-40, they won't take it unless it's a decent shot to kill the animal. But going back to, you know, your experiences of your elk coming up missing, I hear that so much.

And it made me think, you said something earlier, it really made me think about why that thing didn't attack you. And I think you're probably right. It'd been probably watching you for the last seven years, knew who you were. And it's just like a verbal beatdown it gave you. Yeah, that's the way I took it. But you know, I had a different gun. It even looks different. You know, it's all synthetic.

Seven mag is wood grain. You know, that's what he's used to seeing me with, you know, the stick that makes a lot of noise, I guess, is how they would look at it. But this was something completely different. but he knew he knew it wasn't good. It wasn't good that I was trying to get my hand down there where I could make it work. That was what I gathered from that. Yeah, and that part of the encounter fascinates me too. And I hear that a lot from hunters.

You and I were talking about Mike Wully the other day. Same type of thing where he's reaching down, grabbing for his gun, or he's looking through the scope, and they just go nuts. It just pisses them off. And which shows intelligence, really. I mean, I don't know too many animals that would, realize you're picking up a weapon. But these things, for whatever

reason, seem to know you're picking up a weapon and you're about to use it. Maybe it's because they watch us more than we realize. Oh, definitely. Definitely knew what it was. And I'd heard Michael Lee's story. I didn't know his name. I didn't hear him tell it. I heard someone else told me about it after

I had told what happened to me. But I didn't... This was 2007. You know, the podcast hadn't really come out yet. You know, it was coast-to-coast a bunch of a bunch of blurry pictures on the internet. So I didn't have a whole lot to go off of. I didn't hear anything even remotely close

to what happened to me until I heard that. I still would like to hear his. Yeah, Mike, I'll have to send you a link. Mike's been on the show a few times. He's definitely, he's recounted a few times. You even hear him in the intro. He says the eyes are real evil. He's in the intro of the show.

But Mike's been on a couple times. I'll send it to you if you want to listen to his encounter. It's a terrifying encounter in my book, a very terrifying encounter. I mean, I'm a subscriber to your show, so I bought the year. I bought the year. I'm off the year. So you can tell me which one it is. I can just go to it.

Yeah, I'll dig it up. I'll send it to you. I don't remember right off top of my head. I wanted to ask you two. There's two other questions I want to ask you. One was, what is your opinion? What do you think Sasquatch is? I think it's human.

I think it's human because that's exactly what I thought it was. How he acted, emotional, more than, I mean, anger is still in emotion. I don't think they're obviously not exactly like us, but another type of human crime I don't there. I mean, I believe that's why I did not validate that. Humans have rights, you know. Yeah, you could be right. Was it mainly his appearance? Is that why you feel that way?

Yeah. Well, I mean, he was manlike. It's a boogie man, dude. Everything you ever pictured the boogie man to look like when you were a kid. That was him. Covered in hair, evil-looking face. I mean, his face completely changed. Once he got up to where, I mean, I'm 80 feet away from as far as you throw football with something.

I could see everything perfectly clear. Couldn't see his right hand all of it because he had it on that tree. His left arm, straight down to his side, didn't see all of his hand because of the hair back to the scinted. His arms were very, very long. He was still hunched over. You know, his head sitting down in front of his shoulders, you know, more than that very square-looking body. His face, when I say evil, demonic, it looks like one of those carved masks. You know, his face was black.

I mean, patent leather, shiny black. you know, darker than the rest of his skin. And his hair was black. The hair that I could see that wasn't covered in mud was black. And it was so, like I said, one of those carved masks, you see, of a demon. You know, that was everything exaggerated. But it didn't look like that when he was walking up. He made his face look like that.

But I guess it terrified me. And it messed me up, man. It messed me up a bad for a long time. To the point where I would lay in my bed at night and watch my closet door until I went to sleep. That's how bad it messed me up. I didn't go back in the woods. I didn't go back in any woods for nine years. I didn't go back in.

We just shot an episode of the show up in the Be Inville National Forest. That's the first Mississippi woods I've gone in since then. I was out there with six people. Doug and Karen from Mendes, M.Best, N.K. Davis, we were all out shooting the show. I was just not comfortable. I mean, you couldn't have drove a nail up my butt. It was cathartic, you know, which is the whole reason we even do the show. Yeah, and you're talking about Bigfoot Odyssey, the YouTube channel for people listening. Yeah, it's just our little contribution, you know, to the subject for catharsis.

We don't go looking for Bigfoot, and there's a reason for that. You know, we go and talk to people that do, people with podcasts, like you, are really excited to do a South Watch Chronicles episode of Bigfoot, obviously, by the way. Yeah, I'd love to. I'd love to, and I think it'd be cool to get you up here and go to, there's a couple areas I know of personally up here that, unless I have about five or six guys who are armed, I don't think I'm going to go stay the night in some of these areas.

And there's one in particular I was telling you about that probably in the last since January, I've had, well, I was going to say half a dozen. It's been more than that run out of this specific area. And it's interesting because every time I talk to these people, it seems like the same type of behavior, the same scare tactics they use. A little bit more aggressive than what you experienced, but very similar. They come rushing in. They're not really scared of you. one guy he was a he's an old army vet

and he what do you tell me I think he left like four or five thousand dollars worth of equipment up there and he's like Wes if you want it go get it

it's still there he's like I'm sure it's still there I just left and he was run out of this area so yeah I would

I'd love for you to come to Washington ma'am I think it'd be a blast yeah well we've got we got a show coming up in Ohio

and then Oklahoma and then Florida and then but I'll definitely be in touch with you and we'll get it lined up and we'll fly up and we'll take care of it. Yeah, and the other thing, or go ahead, I didn't make you off.

No, I just thought out. I just think it'll be awesome. It'll be fantastic. Yeah, no, I'm excited for it too. Yeah, it is fascinating how to affect you. It physically and mentally affects you after you've had an encounter. And I don't think a lot of people, I think they get it now, most of my listeners get it now, because they've heard so many people on the show. but it does affect you. I did the same thing, man. I would go out in the woods. I wouldn't get out of the car.

I remember Woody and I went up to where we had our encounter. And I would go, but I wouldn't get out of the car. And it was under protest. I would go. It wasn't that I really wanted to go. And I always told Woody that, you know, well, you'll see when he come up here. We argue like an old married couple, but I'm like, I'll go, but it's under protest. And I want that on the record.

Woody just laughs and, you know, he gives me crap. But it's getting better now, but it does affect you. I mean, it does, there is serious PTSD after an encounter after you've encountered this thing. Even if it's not, even if it's not trying to directly kill you, just running into them can cause PTSD. Right. Well, it's not supposed to be there. Right. You know, and it's something, you know, I was a hunter and I was good at it.

You know, a hundred for 30 years since I was five years old. I was 34 when this happened. So for 29 years, I stayed in the woods when I wasn't working or with the family out in the woods, scouting or out fishing or hunting and didn't have any desire completely changed my whole reality, obviously. You know, it shakes your reality at the point where it changes who you are. It changed how I treated people, even. Well, I mean, like I said, I didn't do any research on this before. this thing came out and showed himself to me.

So I didn't know anything about him. You know, as far as I was concerned, he wanted to kill me. And if it wasn't meant for that gun, he would have. This is how I felt at the time. I mean, obviously it's a lot better now. I still have trouble going in the woods, especially with Linda, you know, with my wife. And she'll run off. She's gotten in trouble more than a few times going into the woods going off by herself.

Now, we're armed, you know, relatively heavily armed. But that's not really for a Sasquot. That's for everything else in the woods that'll chase you down and eat you. Especially where I'm from. Alligators, hogs. Yeah, all sorts of things that can get you. The other thing, too, that's fascinating, too, Carrie. And I'm sure you know this now.

Well, I know you know this because you and I talked about it. But you get down there, down in the south, Mississippi, Oklahoma, even parts of Texas. I'm trying to think Missouri or Missouri. Missouri, depending on what part of the state you're in. But there's this weird thing to where they have this rich history of it down there, but no one really seems to know about it. And the one thing I hear constantly from hunters, especially down south, is if Bigfoot exists, I didn't care about it, almost word forward what you said.

I don't really care about Bigfoot. But if it existed, I thought it was a Pacific Northwest problem, maybe Canada's problem. I didn't think we had them down here. And you hear that time and time again from hunters to where they're just in shock when they come across this thing. And, you know, even in the, you know, a lot of guys have seen the Patterson Gimlin film. And it just amazes me because I almost think there's more going on down south than there is in the Pacific Northwest. They're very abundant. It's just baffing into it, you know, just how abundant they are.

you know, in the area. Every encounter I heard, I mean, that's all I did was try to get validation for myself, you know. I know I'm not crazy. I know what I saw was a fast watch, what everyone was calling a fast watch. There was no doubt about it. But it didn't look so much like an ape. It looked more like a match with eight features. Again, that's not really unique because you even hear that with people on the

Pacific Northwest. I mean, I hear it all the time to where if you ask them if it's a person, they'll say no. If you ask them, is it an ape, they'll say no. If you ask them if it's a monkey, they'll tell you no. But it's somewhere in between of all of those things, somewhere that's where your descriptions lies. You know what I mean? It's not really one thing or another. Or, you know, obviously you can disagree with me, but generally people won't say, well, it's 100% human or they'll say it's 100% ape. They'll always say there was some weird, somewhere in the middle of those two. That's what this thing is.

Yeah. You were talking about hunters. You know, I've had hunters. You know, man, I've hunted my whole life. I've seen her and anything like that. Yes, I was exactly the same way. But think about how you hunt. Think about how people hunt nowadays.

Archer truck in the same place, walking the same way, getting the same shooting house, getting the same way. same tree stand. You're not fooling anything self-aware. Yeah, you're right. It's easy to hide from you. Very, very easy for something self-aware to hide from you. And the deeper you go, the further they get away from you. They just don't want to have anything to do. They want to watch us, obviously, but they obviously don't want to have anything to do with us, so we'd have a whole lot better evidence than we do. Yeah, I tend to agree. I think hunters are very routine. They're the most routine people

out there. And if you're watching, you can follow that routine pretty quickly. But there is times where they mess up and they either come out because they're pissed or I would say actually with most hunters, when they make themselves known, it's not a friendly exchange. Almost every single time, it's semi-aggressive. Either they'll come out roar or they'll come out and throw things at you. It's never a friendly exchange for the most part with hunters that I've heard anyway. Right. And I'll tell anybody, no matter what you do, if you're going to look for them, just don't trust them. They're not to be trusted. I think, honestly, you know, people talk about bodies. They're not being a body. I think they have been shot. I think they've been shot 20. I just don't think whoever shot them made it out of the wood. Because they obviously care for each other a lot. I think if you shoot one, you're going to have to be able to rest of them. You hear that time and time again.

even encounters I've had on. You hear that time and time again, that there is some sort of weird community that they have where when you do shoot one, even going back to the miners at Ape Canyon, what happened when they shout that one? All of a sudden, everyone comes rolling in, looking for a fight.

So it is kind of like picking a fight with a biker gang. You fight one, or with brothers, you fight one of them, you're going to fight all of them. And that's kind of, you're right. With Sasquatch, I tend to agree. I think if you shoot one, First thing you better do is start reloading because you're going to need those bullets. They have no reason to trust us either.

I mean, we're impulsive than they are. I'm sure they're a lot more reserved and calm. I mean, of course, for the most part, most of them that's the one eye counting is a lot bigger than me. He could have taken me out easily. And for me, especially after the fact sitting in my truck, it wasn't really the prospect of dying. is that no one was ever going to know what happened to me. I was just going to disappear. They were going to find my bones 20 years later,

stuff and stumps on the way. Yeah, it's hard to say. It really is hard to say. I tend to agree with you. There's a lack of trust, and I think there's a lack of trust on both sides with good reason. Hopefully, one day we'll find the answers to it and solve it. You know what I mean?

That's why we do what we do. You know, if we can just, the thing about going and doing shows about other people, we call it Bigfoot Odyssey, it's not because we travel, it's us letting someone tell their journey through being either indifferent or a non-believer to eyeballs deep in it.

You know, that's an odyssey. You know, it's a journey dotted with notable experiences. So we let them tell their Bigfoot Odyssey. And I think our idea, in that is to let the common man or average person that does not really end of this but still checks it out to know that who these people are that's doing it you know trying to create a little bit more awareness and there's not a lot of people doing what we're doing and we're we're just fortunate enough to have the means and the time you know we don't we don't try to sell it or anything

we just we go out and do it for ourselves and we uh we get to travel we get to meet people and, you know, forge relationships and we're just getting started. We have a long way to go, but it's working out. We're having some relative to success with the first few shows we put out. Yeah, well, I wish the success on it. And for the audience, if you want to go check it out, go to YouTube type in Bigfoot Odyssey, and Kerry's channel will come up. Carrie, thanks again for coming on. I really do appreciate you being here tonight. Thanks for having me on, Wes. I really appreciate it. And that's it for tonight, everyone.

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