Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:450 Watch out of for the Boogerman!

Starting point is 00:00:05 Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

Starting point is 00:00:41 He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:01:07 Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Starting point is 00:01:37 Got a great show planned for you tonight. Gosh, it's hot out, isn't it? I'm not where you're at where you're listening to this, but it's hot. Thanks so much for taking the time to listen tonight. I'm going to be talking to John, and John comes to us from North Carolina. And he had an encounter back in 1983. He'll be sharing that with us tonight. And then we'll be talking to JD over in Kentucky. And he'll be sharing some of his encounters too as well. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is

Starting point is 00:02:09 Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I'm not on YouTube. I know there's a lot of channels I'm trying to bring down on YouTube. So if you're listening on YouTube, I understand, but it's not me posting it. So if you would, please check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome John to the show. John, thanks for coming on. You're welcome, sir. Thank you for having me. Yeah, I sure appreciate you being here. If you would, I know your encounter took place back in 1983. Walk us into what happened, John.

Starting point is 00:02:48 It was, like I said, back in 83, I was 18. Me and it was about this time of year, I guess that was what got me thinking about it. When I sent you that email here a couple days ago, but me and a friend of mine had drove down to this place where the youngans would go to party and stuff, you know, like youngings do. They have these areas where they gather and, you know, do whatnot or whatever. And we drove down there, and it's kind of an old country road, and it goes down, and there's this tractor path, about 30 feet before you get down to end of the road.

Starting point is 00:03:38 And it cuts to the left this tractor path. And it's about old 14, 15 foot wide, you know, so they can get their tractor. and their discers and everything down there and their equipment and everything down there down in the holler to down by the creek bottoms to plow their fields down there and plant their corn and soybeans

Starting point is 00:04:01 and stuff and so we decided to go down there and it was like I said this time of year and it was kind of warm we pulled down there and I backed up in there I always back up in there so you know

Starting point is 00:04:20 I can just pull out but I backed up in there about 20 at the most 25 feet and we were sitting there and we had stopped by the store and got us a few beers

Starting point is 00:04:32 because we was got a six pack of beer back in you could buy it when he was 18 and we was going to have a few beers there and later we was going to go to this girl's party

Starting point is 00:04:45 she was having at her her parents' house, that little kids ain't, you know, really supposed to do, but they do when her parents is gone. Yeah. And her parents had gone on the fourth, for the fourth of the holiday. And so she was going to throw this party at her house. So we, and so we decided to go down there, and there wasn't nobody down there. And we was going to go down there and have a few beers and everything, because everything

Starting point is 00:05:11 doesn't get going, really at the parties until about 11, 11,000. 30 at night. So we got down there was just a little 14. Backed up in there. Like I said, I had my friend Randy with me, who since passed away,

Starting point is 00:05:27 God rest his soul. We backed up in there. And it's pretty thick timbre in there. It's oak and Alm and big old

Starting point is 00:05:43 inverts. and fir trees and, you know, pine trees and all this stuff and thick scrub. And across from the dirt road that you get down there is about 25 yards of scrub and stuff. And then his heel goes up, 30, 40 feet, and Highway 52 is up there. It gets pretty dark down in there at night. I mean, if it's cloudy and the moon, is not out. I mean, back then, there wasn't no street lights like that on the streets,

Starting point is 00:06:21 and there wasn't no lights much. And like I said before, I told you it'd get dark to the inside of a cow down in there. I mean, it'd get pretty dark. And we backed up in there. My friend, Randy, was sitting over in the passenger side. We had the winters rolled down and had this old car, this old pinto. And back then, I had an old thing. only had an a.m. radio on it.

Starting point is 00:06:46 So we had a little back then, the boomboxes was a big thing. So we had a little boombox with us, and we had it sitting down there and had the music playing real low. And I did notice when it backed up in there that had the winters rolled down because it's hot.

Starting point is 00:07:05 But I did notice when I got down there that it just seemed awful quiet to me. You know, usually down there around the creek bottoms and everything this time of year here in North Carolina, you hear the frogs going and the cassetta and everything and the crickets and the tree frogs and things making noises.

Starting point is 00:07:25 And it just didn't seem, just didn't seem right. It just kind of wasn't as noise as usual. It was kind of quiet, which is kind of strange, hit me at first. And we were sitting there, and my friend was sitting past her side, and he was doing a nefarious thing sitting there.

Starting point is 00:07:46 We had some marijuana, and he was looking down, rolling up a joint, which now, you know, in Colorado and out there in California, now, you know, it's legal now, but, you know, back then the early 80s and 70s, whatever, pot was the thing, you know, kids, whatever. So we was going to smoke a little pot and drinking beers real quick and go over that party. So he was looking down, and he was rolling it up, and I popped the beer and I hadn't drank anything

Starting point is 00:08:18 or anything earlier that day or anything or nothing and I had just turned it up and took a big swaller out of it because it was hot and I took a big swallow and as I was coming down with it I was looking straight ahead and this damn bang

Starting point is 00:08:44 whatever walked, well, what struck me first was it took one step. That's what struck me first. It was just one stride, and it was standing in the middle of the road, and this was 20, like I said, 20, 25 feet away. And I don't know why I thought to myself, I thought, damn, that was a long step.

Starting point is 00:09:15 because, you know, it'd take a regular human four or five steps, just regular steps to step something like that. And it squared up to us about choked on the damn beer when I was looking at it. And next thing I thought was, God, that's the biggest human

Starting point is 00:09:33 I ever seen in my life. And then I thought to myself, well, that can't be a human, you know, unless the big, the biggest man on earth is walking around at night with a full-legged fur jacket on or something, you know, and then I thought, you know, I've seen the, we earlier had seen some strange

Starting point is 00:10:06 markings on that road down there, the path, back that tractor path. And what it is, I don't know if he was. was going down there, hunting a deer down there, because I'll get into that about the there was a factory about about a third of a mile, or maybe list a little further up from there as a crow flies,

Starting point is 00:10:30 corn products that processed corn and rendered it down into animal feeding such as that. And it brought the corn on open box, open

Starting point is 00:10:45 top box cars. It wasn't corn and cob or nothing. It was regular corn stripped off the cob. And they would bring I've seen the train. They would bring 10, 12 box car loads of corn down and the rails kind of followed

Starting point is 00:11:02 the bottom down there kind of a little bit close to the water. I guess because them tracks and rails have been down there forever. and I guess it caused maybe it was a used steam back in a minute, and it was a water source, close a water source.

Starting point is 00:11:23 And I guess the train going through there, the kernels of corn would shake and whatever and fall out onto the ground. It'd get all kinds of critters down in there feeding on that. Like a, like in the email. Many a family was fed from the critters took out of their dove and deer, and coon hunt all down in there. And it was just, you know, it was just full of animals everywhere all the time, eating that corn off the ground down there.

Starting point is 00:11:57 And that was the reason why, too, that the farmers would plant their fields down there by the creek, you know, down there at the bottoms, because that's good plant land down there. And they grow corn and soybean and whatnot down in there. but I don't know if whatever, but this thing, which that's the only thing I can, Lord, stepped out and squared up with us and was standing there just staring at us.

Starting point is 00:12:37 And I just couldn't believe what I was looking at. You know, I mean, I've been to wrestling matches, and I've seen the Undertaker, and I've seen the big show, fairly close, you know, pretty close up to them. And then some big fellas, you know, Batista and all the rest of them. Now, there's some big fellas. But now this damn thing, it probably had a foot and a half, maybe two foot on the big show. At least, I'm telling you now.

Starting point is 00:13:12 Yeah, and he's a big guy, you're right. He's a monster. He was, what you call, I guess, alpha male. He was the man, and he stepped out, and he stood there and squared up with us. And that's what kind of frightened me a little bit, too. I mean, it took my breath a little bit after I choked on that Budweiser I was drinking. And Randy, he was still doing what he was doing, just, you know, going on, doing his thing.

Starting point is 00:13:46 And I could see the hair through what light there was shining from behind him, through, you know, and you could see it. You could see the hair draping down his body. And the build on this thing, it was unreal. I mean, his shoulders was damn near probably as wide as the, hood or that old pinto car that I was driving I mean them some big shoulders

Starting point is 00:14:20 and you could just see the the outline of the muscle definition of his body you know the hair like I said not for our hair you know this this

Starting point is 00:14:34 this was whatever because you know I've seen the the Patterson footage and and and watch the Boggy Creek movie and everything.

Starting point is 00:14:48 And that then started filtering into my mind. But getting back to what we've seen, some strange-looking prints or whatever, down on that path leading down through there. And there was a little grass going up through the middle of that path, not a whole lot because of the, as thick as it was back in there, and I guess a whole lot of sunlight couldn't get into it. but on the sides there

Starting point is 00:15:15 there was some some impressions but it was almost like it was trying to you know not make a track or something you know I am on beliefs that

Starting point is 00:15:30 when they step in something and make a good track I think they've messed up you know I don't think that that they mean to make tracks like that when people find these

Starting point is 00:15:41 either they're faking them or these things have messed up when they step and make a pristine track like that, you know. It just didn't, and the strides was just unreal between these scuff marks kind of. These strange didn't really look like a footprint. It's kind of like they said, they were trying to not make them look like a footprint. or something.

Starting point is 00:16:11 I don't know what was going on. But it was standing there, and what really freaked me out was I could hear it. We didn't have the music up that loud. And we had the inside dome light on earlier, so he could do what he needed to do, and then once he got going good, we turned the light off. And he was standing there,

Starting point is 00:16:41 and I could see him clenching his fists like in and out. And I thought to myself, this ain't good. You know, like I was telling you earlier, when a human man squares up to you like it and starts flexing his fingers in and out, making a fist. and you know how when some people look at you to get mad, they look at you underneath their eyebrows.

Starting point is 00:17:17 You know, they tilt their head down, they look at you. I had a distinct feeling that's what he was doing. I couldn't see his face, but I had this feeling of foreboding and dread that something just isn't going to end good here. and as I was looking at him, that damn breathing still comes back to me. I can't get over it. Like you mentioned, like a fat guy running a mile after a couple of ham sandwiches, trying to chase a couple ham sandwiches for a mile.

Starting point is 00:17:58 You know, it just ungodly, the amount of oxygen that were coming in and coming out, this raspy sound, and you could actually see. his body moving as he was breathing and clenching his fists. And so I slowly, I didn't want to make no quick movements for sudden movements or nothing because, you know, that's just wasn't going to be good. I didn't think. So I slowly move my elbow over and just kind of elbow ran it a little bit

Starting point is 00:18:36 and told him a whisper to him. I said, now, you need to look up real slow, and when you do, don't scream. And he kind of chuckled a little bit, and, you know, because, you know, what do you mean, scream, you know, what the hell am I supposed to see? And I said, just do it. He lifted his head up, and when he's seen it, he physically reacted and verbally. reacted. He jerked back in the seat and kind of, I didn't think that was good either. That way he moved. I don't know if it flinched or a little bit or whatever I thought maybe when he jerked like that and said,

Starting point is 00:19:30 what the F is that? And he said it a little too loud, I thought too. And I said, just think about it, guess what that is. What, you know, what does it look like? And he says, I don't know. And we just sit there staring at this thing. And he kind of slid his hand down a little bit and turned the radio off. Then all of a sudden, this thing started doing, weird he was kind of swiveling his head a little from left to right almost like a dog does when it hears a sound that it don't understand you know uh you know what i'm talking about

Starting point is 00:20:23 that yeah that head moving that the dog does like the curious look from a dog when it cocks its head yeah yeah you know like when you make a noise or something or you know or your lips or something and it starts kind of twas twisting its head a little bit. It started making that movement. And I thought, this, this is unreal. I cannot believe this is happening. And when I was a kid down here in the South, your mom always told you don't stay out late at night because the bugger, the bugger man will get you.

Starting point is 00:21:04 Well, we always thought, yeah, yeah, the bugger man. Well, this is the definition of a bugger man. This is a bugger. I mean, this is the bugger man right here. It was ginormous. And it probably went, I don't know, close to 600 pounds. I mean, just massive. What got me, too, was the breathing.

Starting point is 00:21:35 That was spooky. the spooky breathing. And it was, it was, uh, just a pucker, real pucker moment. All of a sudden, we, uh, we've been looking at this thing, you know, for a minute, minute, a half, and that really don't seem that long, but if you look down at your watch and you watch all, you let it tick off a minute, minute, a half. That's a pretty good while. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:09 It's a lifetime looking at. Oh, yeah. That's a thing standing there, staring you down, clenching its fists, breathing like a bull or whatever. And then we heard this weird noise. It sounded kind of like a whistle to its right, our left. And it was coming down kind of like towards the creek bottom down there. and he turned slightly, and like I say, when he turned his head, his whole upper torso moved with his head. Like, because, you know, his chin or whatever would run into the huge, what do you call them, that muscles up on top of your shoulders?

Starting point is 00:22:57 Oh, yeah, I don't know what you mean. Yeah, I know what you mean. When he turned his head slightly and looked that way, and he did it fairly quickly and he did it fairly quickly and then looked back at us because I don't think that he wanted to take his eyes off of us for very long. The more I got to thinking about it in years, past, in years ago, along here, they say that I've heard or read and listened to stuff that usually the only reason you see these things is either they made a mistake or they want you to see them. Well, you know, I don't think this bugger was strolling down.

Starting point is 00:23:44 I've taken a nice summer night stroll down that country road, whistling along, and just took a step in the middle of the road and looked and seen us and just stopped and said, oh, what's this? you know, I think that by us coming down there and party, because sometimes we get down there in the summer, and there'd be 12, 14, 15 vehicles lined up in there, trucks and cars, people walking back and forth talking and playing a little bit of music, and, you know, we would drink down there and bring fast food down there and eat and stuff and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:24:24 I know that they had to have hurt us or watched us. And some of the girls that would be down there, sometimes I never really got the feeling of being watched, but I would have just a weird feeling that we weren't alone. And not just the people of the people that was there with us, but, you know, I just didn't think that about it. some of the girls that would be down there when it was real dark, they would get a really strange vibe. They would say, just a strange vibe about this place, that something just wasn't right. But after that noise, he squared back up with us, and the flexion of the finger stopped.

Starting point is 00:25:17 And now I'm talking about these with some fingers. I mean, wasn't going to claws, wasn't no whatever, couldn't see no claws, but the hair stopped. You could see the hand, you could see a hand, fingers, and wasn't no hair draped down over the fingers or nothing. But it was, you know, Johnsonville Broughts, you know, size digits there. This was a, this was a healthy individual. and I think that he did that to give us a message like you're trespassing, you know, on my turf, getting down here making a lot of noise and racket and bothering me and whatever, and I don't like it, and you're trespassing, and you need to get the hell out of here and not come back,

Starting point is 00:26:15 or it probably won't end well for you. So that's the message I thought that he was purveying to us that you need to leave. Now, y'all, you know, while there's, you know, 25 people down there out wondering around whatever, you know, I don't think that they probably were around. You didn't know it, but they probably were around. But I don't think, you know, they would come in on something like that, that like that, and do something like that. But, you know, you got just a couple people down there. and he's going to get a message across to you and hopefully go back and tell your friends that this is not a good place to be because there's a monster down there.

Starting point is 00:27:02 And if he wants to, he can probably flip that car over. I mean, this was a healthy individual. It was a pucker moment. I can imagine. Yeah. I can't, I can't, I just can't, you know, it was 35 years ago, but still, it still, it still bothers me. It's something that will stick with you. I did tell about five other people and all of them thought I was crazy, except one old boy that I worked with.

Starting point is 00:27:42 He said he's seen one when he was hunting up in Yacking County. He said, I know what you're talking about. I saw him one when I was up in a tree stand, but the hunting up in Yakin County. He said, you know, these things are running around here. So it's amazing. Yeah, they're not as uncommon as I think a lot of people think. I think, you know, I've heard needle in a haystack,

Starting point is 00:28:08 and I don't know that I agree with the needle in a haystack. It seems like there's in every state a lot of people run into them and a lot of people are aware of them. I think as a public, though, the public doesn't realize that they're out there. It's always people, and I love your encounter. Did he eventually just leave, John? He's standing there. He's kind of huffing up.

Starting point is 00:28:28 Yeah, that's what I was going to get to. I apologize. After that kind of noise, that it kind of sounded like a whistle, but a little different. When he turned with his body and his torso and his head and looked, and he looked back at us, he made this sound like you know like when somebody's talking to you and you don't believe what they're saying or or you think you're a goofball or whatever

Starting point is 00:28:53 and you just with your mouth like that he did kind of a noise like that but but a lot with a lot more force and a lot of more aggression like and it was almost like you know you're not worth my time

Starting point is 00:29:10 I think I've got my message across. So I'm going to, I got places to go and things to do, and I'm on mosey on my way, and I hope you take this message to a cart, and I don't want to see you down here no more. If you get my drift is what he was purveyed us, prevailing to us. So he just turned, and this is still what gets me. Now, this, like I said, this is a 14, 15 foot wide road. here. He took one stride now, and he was right there, almost right there in the middle of the road. He took one stride, and he was behind them trees, and he was gone. And like I said, the radio was

Starting point is 00:29:59 off, and like I said before, it was kind of quiet down there for some reason, which was kind of weird, and no sound whatsoever of him moving off. You know, something that big. moving down a road, you seem like you would hear some sort of sound, you know. It was just, it was just weird. It was strange, I thought. Yeah. No, I know what you mean, John. And I've said that before in the past, too, you know, and I know what you're mean,

Starting point is 00:30:38 this thing steps out and you're like, there's no way that's a human. It's human I would like, but it's not a human. and it's too big. And it is weird when they move off because you would think it would sound like King Kong running off. And a lot of times it's not. It's you barely hear them leave. And I find that odd. It's weird to me.

Starting point is 00:30:56 You know what I mean? Yeah, it's a, they're a strike human. I mean, supposedly, they're of sapiens running around at the same time. And the last two supposedly that was left was homo sapiens and Neanderthals. And supposedly, it depends on what part of the world you live in, all of us have anywhere from 2 to 5% of Neanderthal DNA in our body. So I don't see how a fairly modern human would see a Neanderthal woman who looks like they did, I guess, on the thing they show, find them sexually attractive.

Starting point is 00:31:57 know what I'm saying, and actually breathe with these things, but they had to us to have the DNA in our system. So whatever, but I think there's some type of offshoot of our family tree that has not been discovered yet that are still out there, that won't be left alone, that just don't want to have nothing to do with us. I mean, because whatever, we, us, homo sapiens, are the dangerous animal on this planet. I mean, we can destroy this planet, us. We can destroy it. Yeah, I agree.

Starting point is 00:32:43 Yeah. And so we are very dangerous. We are the most dangerous animal on this planet. You know, I mean, if you're out there in the woods at night by yourself without a weapon, or something, you know, they are the big dog of the woods. That's their home. You know, and these people that go out there slapping on trees and hollering for them and putting up cameras and all this stuff and wanting them to come to them,

Starting point is 00:33:11 I don't want them to come to me, you know. I wouldn't mind seeing one four, five hundred yards away running through a valley or something, but that's fine. But I don't want them coming up on me and them putting the cameras up and stuff. I mean, that's their home. That's where they live. That's their house. You know, how would you like somebody coming in your living room and setting up a camera that you didn't know about in your living room trying to take a picture of you?

Starting point is 00:33:37 You wouldn't appreciate that either. Yeah, no, I get that. I get that. So you think that they're more of like a Neanderthal or a form of an offshoot of us is kind of what you think it is. They're not a totally developed human. they're one of the one of the trees and the evolutionary branch

Starting point is 00:34:01 that has had to learn how to survive in the environments that they're in you know whatever you know what I don't understand is the size thing going on

Starting point is 00:34:19 why do they have to be that big the one they the one that they the scientists say the biggest one in our tree was supposedly this one that they found that was six foot tall or a little bigger and they've only found a few bones of it lately in the last 20 years

Starting point is 00:34:42 and said the bones were thicker and the skull bones that they found the small fragments the skull bone was thicker and that it was a fairly large, heavy-boned sapient. It wasn't small. It was large. It was big.

Starting point is 00:35:06 So maybe it's that thing that has evolved into what it is now and just got bigger. I don't know. I mean, but... Yeah, it's hard to say, you know, like in your situation, John, there is... It's a little bit more than an animal. squaring up on you, it's quenching its fist, getting ready to rock and roll. You know, if an animal's, and you know this, I mean, your country boy, if animals are going attack you, it's going to attack you, it's not going to sit and think about it.

Starting point is 00:35:38 It's not going to sit and calculate in its head. It's either going to leave or it's going to attack you. With these things, it almost like it's like they calculate it in their mind, okay, is this worth it? Is this not worth it? Is this? And that's just me speculating. But in my own encounter, your encounter, a lot of encounters I hear, there's a thought

Starting point is 00:35:56 process with these things. It's almost like they calculate, am I going to get hurt attacking these guys? Am I not going to get hurt attacking you guys? It's like you mentioned when there's 14 people there. Yeah, people are feeling like they're being watched, but nothing's ever stepped out. You get two guys in a car. Well, now it's going to step out and maybe teach you a lesson about coming down there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, because I'm sure that, you know, hunting the deer and whatever down there, I mean, it's much cold. has come off them rail cars down there on the ground. I mean, the deer were everywhere down there.

Starting point is 00:36:33 I mean, just everywhere all the time. You had to watch out real careful coming around that area, anywhere around that plant, them roads around there, because the deer would come in and feed on that corn that was shook off of them rail cars that were coming in. And they were everywhere. I mean, not just deer, just, you know, coons and doves and rabbits and squirrels and just everything everywhere, possum and everything.

Starting point is 00:37:05 It was a smorgasbord, really. And so it was that made that sound to him, I guess. It was like, come on, you know, it's time to get the hunt started. You need to bring your butt on down here and quit messing with them puny humans up there. And they ain't worth your time, you know. So I guess that's why he did the, like, you know, I don't think I'm all, y'all just ain't worth my time to mess with you. And just turned and walked off. I mean, I don't know if he walked or ran, but we never heard nothing.

Starting point is 00:37:45 Yeah, I know when you and I were talking about the breathing too, and you're right. It is a very, it's an aggressive breathing pattern, but it's also almost reminds you of someone who's sick. and it's someone who's pissed off. If you could take all of those, mix it up, that's what it sounds like. It's a very heavy, raspy, deep... Rasty, gravelly, sticks sound and almost like our nose is running or whatever. It's exactly right. And it's just a sound you won't forget when you hear it.

Starting point is 00:38:21 Just like you hear a slide on a pistol. you hear that sound, you know exactly what it is. You'll never forget what that sound sounds like. It's just like that. You won't never forget that sound. And if you hear it, you know what it is. So it was an experience. I mean, these people that go out one or two of them

Starting point is 00:38:51 and don't take no weapons with them out there thinking and they're these peaceful little forest creatures and want to be nice to them and hug them and stuff. I don't know. I mean, but, yeah, I could see one of these big boys absorb a 30-aut-6 round at 100 yards in the chest and running off.

Starting point is 00:39:10 I could see that. Yeah, I can too. Yeah. I can see one taking one in the chest, like 1-30-0-6. Now, if you was to take a 458 weatherby bag out there and at 100 yards and hit him in his head. chest I think it's a different story because you know you see on the safari stuff then always take him four fifty eight with me mags and they shoot a bull elephant

Starting point is 00:39:35 at 75 yards and it drops to its knees and falls over so that's a bull elephant yeah that's one shot yeah now you're talking about two different things there but uh but I almost see these these are the big dog running on this continent there ain't nothing to stand up to these things. I mean, I think a grizzly bear wouldn't stand a chance. But now, I could actually see one of these things running in the savanna over in Africa, grabbing it running a damn rhinoceros down and bulldogging it, like him boys doing the rodeos and twisting its net and twisting it over.

Starting point is 00:40:17 You know, that's how much power these things look like they have. It's scary. You know, it's just scary. Yeah, I wanted to ask you, John. I tend to agree with you. I think they don't. I've had encounters where people have seen grizzly bears fight these things. There's even old encounters you can read about that,

Starting point is 00:40:36 and the grizzly bear generally doesn't stand a chance. How tall was this creature when it stepped out? I realize the lighting conditions aren't the best, but you're still getting a good look at this thing. How tall do you... We were up on a little grade above it. Like I said, that road kind of goes up on. little grade and then crests and then goes down that path.

Starting point is 00:40:56 He was at least eight foot, probably maybe a little more, maybe pushing nine. I mean, his lower body didn't seem to be as muscular, as powerful as his upper body. It was kind of different looking like a bodybuilder that don't spend enough time on their lower lower limbs than they do their upper body. And his strange that it looked like from his shoulder to his elbow looked like it were shorter than from his elbow

Starting point is 00:41:42 to his wrist, if that makes sense. Yeah, that does make sense. His lower arm was longer than his upper arm. And his hands didn't hang to his knees but damn near close so uh you know um and he would probably he was probably in that eight eight and a half foot range this was this was a big boy i'm sure he was the uh the alpha i'm sure he he run veins definitely uh his presence um he was an imposing imposing figure Yeah, and it's one of those weird, I don't make it off, John, but it's one of those weird situations, isn't it?

Starting point is 00:42:34 Where you're, it's almost like a Mexican standoff. It's like who's going to mess up first, who's going to make the wrong move first, and who's going to get hurt first? And it's a terrible situation to be in because, you know, your car is turned around and you've got to go that way to leave. And he's blocking your way to leave. And so it's this weird Mexican standoff to where I just want to leave. and I know I don't know if it ever

Starting point is 00:42:58 crossed your mind to start the car and just start driving towards them but I know even in my own

Starting point is 00:43:04 situation it was like you avoid that all costs I just wanted to avoid an altercation and hopefully he would move along

Starting point is 00:43:11 but imagine you were thinking the same thing you were trying to avoid an altercation and hoping you would just just go

Starting point is 00:43:17 because you're right John and let me kick off again but you're right a minute and a half

Starting point is 00:43:21 that's a lifetime when you're looking at one of these things and they're blocking the road. Yeah that's like a

Starting point is 00:43:26 thing I didn't say about where Randy was sitting beside me, and he said, well, why don't you turn your headlights on? Maybe that'll scare it off. I said, man, are you out of your mind? Are you crazy? That thing, you scare it off. It ain't scared enough of walking this earth, I don't think, you know, that it knows of. You're right. I'm not going to turn the lights on. Are you kidding? I mean, that was ridiculous. And as big as it was, and the strides I've seen it take, it could have maybe jumped or took a couple strides or a few strides, and he'd have been beside us and ripped that car door off

Starting point is 00:44:10 or just grabbed me through the window and jerk me out of that vehicle and just popped my head off. And I never really got to thinking about it until later, but I knew he was, he knew we were focused on him. So whatever made that other noise was, I'm sure, was another one. So it could have been sneaking up behind us down that up that road. And he could have come up behind us, and we'd never knew it. And we was focused on him.

Starting point is 00:44:41 He could have reached through the wind and just grabbed one of us, you know? I mean, I got to think about that. And that's what really makes me puckering now and start sweating. I mean, that's pretty scary because he knows. knew that we was focused on him. There wasn't looking no looking in the rearview mirrors or looking around. My eyes was glued on him because I want to see what this thing was going to do because the breathing, the clenching of the fists and all this other stuff, I thought it was on.

Starting point is 00:45:10 I thought it was going to end badly. It's what I thought. That went to my mind. This is not going to end good. but I was just so so happy when I heard that noise I heard that, well, not happy when I heard the noise but happy that the noise come

Starting point is 00:45:29 and happy he turned back and looked at us and did the, like, oh, you know, you're just not waste my time on y'all but I think I got my message across and I'm on mosey on and get on my business and y'all just get on out of here and don't come back. Don't come back now you're here.

Starting point is 00:45:51 Or I might have to put a whooping up on you is the feeling I got from this cat. He was something. Yeah, no, and I understand. And I completely get the way he fell, too. It's almost like you don't want to make the wrong move. You don't want to do anything to, you know, and I'm a big guy, you know, and I have no problem to hold my own. But this is a different, and I'm sure you're the same way, John,

Starting point is 00:46:19 but this is a completely different situation. You almost want to, you feel like a mouse, you want to get out of the situation as quickly as possible. Did it ever affect you later in life? I mean, this is 1983. Did you ever go back to that area, go camping? I had dreams about it. Yeah, I've had dreams about it. Yeah, I'll ever know, I mean, I'll have a dream about it.

Starting point is 00:46:43 It, it, or I'll hear a noise or, or something. something like that, or just I'll see something, and it'll bring it back, something just, a pinto car, old pinto car, and it'll bring it back. You know, now, I'm much of a hunter right now, but I used to be later after that. It didn't keep me out of the woods, but I got an assault rifle AR-15 with a 20-round clip with another clip, and I carry a Smith and Weston, a 40 mag, an eight-round clip on my side with hollow points in it. So, you know, if it thinks it can take 40 rounds from AR-15

Starting point is 00:47:32 and 8 from a 40-mag, 40-caliber Smith and Wesson, well, go right ahead. But I think a head shot from anything, you know, you take a head shot from AR-15. It's going to hurt you. but I can see I can see absorbing one in the chest sure because this thing was every bit of close to three foot thick you know when it turned to leave it was a thick it was a it was a thick it was a thick it just unbelievable the thickness the muscularity the presence it's unbelievable it's just hard to wrap your mind around these things because like they say always say how could something that big go undiscovered and live and you not run into them all the time people run

Starting point is 00:48:36 into them all the time or leave some kind of evidence some kind of sign I thoroughly believe that they probably bury their dead or or cannibalize them or you know whatever. I mean, I'm sure they know what graveyards are. I'm sure they've watched

Starting point is 00:48:57 people stand around and lowered this box in the ground and they're a fanking animal. I'm sure they know what's going on probably and that we're burying one of our own. So, you know, why wouldn't they do the same?

Starting point is 00:49:13 especially if they want to stay hidden and not be known, why not bury their dead. Yeah, you're right. It could be. It's hard to say. Yeah, especially if they run around in family units, family pods, they would be fairly close. You know, I mean, they probably would bury their dead. Yeah, I would tend to agree with you. It's so hard to know.

Starting point is 00:49:40 You know, it's so hard. It's like I would say it on one of my garage I'm studying, but. It's hard to, it's frustrating when you look at it. And I know you remember, John, I know you've heard of a show, but it's odd, isn't it? I mean, just like you said, we haven't cut up with this thing. You know, and it's not just here in the United States. It always burns me when I hear researchers say, well, it's a needle in a haystack and the needle is moving and they're out, you know, and it's a big area. Well, it's not just the United States.

Starting point is 00:50:09 It's in Australia. It's in China. they're almost in every continent they're out there and no one's caught up with this thing i mean i'll go with the needle in the haystack theory for a little bit but you know i've been around the block a few times and you know there's if this doesn't raise an eyebrow to you i don't know what to say to you because you're right it's very odd that they but they do seem very physical it's like you said the the train uh portion that you mentioned that makes sense i could see a ton of animals being down there and eating stuff coming off the carts and as the train goes by.

Starting point is 00:50:44 So it makes sense that it would be down there. It's just so frustrating. We can't catch up with them. And your situation, John, could have gone ugly really quick. And you might have ended up a missing person. And that's a shame because no one ever says anything. You know, it's like you would have just been a missing person and that would have been the end of that. Yeah, it's like these people you always hear about the Pilates crap, about all these

Starting point is 00:51:09 people that go missing in these national parks that they never find hiding their hair of them, you know, like these little kids that are five and six years old and one minute they're there and one minute they're gone. And then maybe a year later, two, four or five miles away, a couple of range tops, a couple mountain tops over, they find their shoe. you know, well, what kid that age is going to go up a mountain and through a stream and up another mountain and all this other stuff? Why would they go up?

Starting point is 00:51:47 Why not down? I mean, why would they do that? Something had to carry it there. I mean, a mountain line and usually a bear, when they take something down, they're going to consume it right there. They're going to, you know, they might drag it off a little bit. if they see some kind of competition around, but they're not going to drag it or carry it miles away.

Starting point is 00:52:16 You know, it's going to be a, you're down, it's time to eat. You know, it's like we sit down at the table with a knife and fork, foods in front of us, it's time to eat, you know. It's just strange that all these thousands of people go missing. I was looking a little bit on that, on the Internet. today about that stuff. It's just weird that all these people

Starting point is 00:52:42 just disappear and they never find a hide their hair of them. That's strange. It is. It is strange. It's like I always says, some of those accounts you can realize, okay, the person got hurt. There's other things that can get you

Starting point is 00:52:58 besides Sasquatch, you know, Cougar can get you a bear like you mentioned. But there is those odd ones. Like you said, you're finding a shoe over three mountain ranges away? I mean, and it's a kid. A full-grown adult lost in the woods isn't going to go over three mountain ranges. I think your average person who gets lost is going to try and find his way back to town.

Starting point is 00:53:18 He's not going to start traveling over mountain ranges. Just common sense. But what do I know, you know? Yeah, it's a strange subject. but I could see it's like that famous case where that one where they, them people thought they saw

Starting point is 00:53:41 that one a homeless person with something thrown off his shoulder up on the hill running off and they thought they heard a kid scream or something. That famous case that little

Starting point is 00:53:57 boy who was seven or eight years. years old. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. What was it? They thought it was a bear. Five years later, they found his skull cap or something, five miles from there. Yeah, it's a terrible story.

Starting point is 00:54:14 But yeah, it wasn't a homeless person. The people that reported it to the FBI told the FBI that it was a bear running on two legs and had a kid over its shoulder, which makes no sense. It was running like a man, and it was a bear running like a man with a kid. get over her shoulder. I mean, come on, that doesn't add up to anyone that I can imagine. Yeah, plus the military showing up.

Starting point is 00:54:39 Why would the military show up? Now, I understand the FBI, they do all kidnapping cases. But the military? I mean, they might want to help in the search, but just reading the account, the actions of the military was strange,

Starting point is 00:54:54 the way they were acting. Yeah, I know that. I know the one you're talking about, too. I can't think of which one that is, but yeah, you're right. I mean, military shows up, doesn't talk to any of the search and rescue heads off, and then they come back and they leave. It's almost like they're going hunting. They're not actually looking for someone. It almost appears that they're being hunting. And that wasn't, or they're actually out hunting, but that wasn't just one situation.

Starting point is 00:55:18 That's many situations. Even up until this day, you'll hear a lot of search and rescue and special forces shows up and they go out there, quote unquote, to look for the kid. They don't really talk to anyone there. They're out for a couple days, and then they come back and they leave. You're right. It doesn't add up. Why would they do that? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:55:38 It's a weird, weird world we live in. You sure is. Things that go on in this world is some of the stuff that goes on is very hard to explain. And like I said, I don't think it's an interdimensional being or a whatever. I think it either lives in the treetops or in the ground, a hole in the ground. I mean, usually when you're walking through the forest, you're either looking down for sign or you're looking straight ahead. You're not looking 30 or 40 feet up in a tree.

Starting point is 00:56:17 You know, that's just not what you're doing. And or like they say they just disappear. Well, you know, just like the Viet Cong used to do, they had tunnels all throughout that country, and they had them spider holes, and they'd just flip a trap door up, and they'd just be all of them and pile down in there and drop it down, and they would be gone.

Starting point is 00:56:43 They would disappear like ghosts. And they didn't find that out until later in the war. You know, like in the 68, 69, they started finding all these tunnels, and the tunnel rats had to go in there and flush them out. So, you know, that's the only thing I can think of to live in the ground and I live up in the trees. It's a hard subject to get into. It is a hard subject to get into, and you definitely could be right on it.

Starting point is 00:57:12 But I appreciate coming on, John. I really enjoyed. I appreciate you. I appreciate you talking to me. Yeah, it has affected me. I have dreamed about it. I'm not scared to go into the woods or nothing, but I do go heavily armed. It was a very shocking, shocking experience.

Starting point is 00:57:37 Just let me put it that way. A lasting, shocking experience. I can imagine. And just like I said, just like I said, I think the Fourth of July holiday brought it all back into my mind because that's what it happened around that time of year, and that's what got me thinking about it. And I thought, well, I'll just write in to you because you stay on there. You know, if you've had an encounter or experience and just won't talk about it and let me know,

Starting point is 00:58:01 just hit and shoot me an email. Well, that's what I did. So there you go. Yeah, well, I appreciate it again. Thank you, John. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Have a good night.

Starting point is 00:58:12 And remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatchch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Next up on the show, I'll be talking to JD, and JD comes to us from Kentucky. Thanks for coming on, JD. I really appreciate you being here. Well, thanks, Liz. Appreciate it.

Starting point is 00:58:46 Honor beyond. Yeah, no, the honor is mine. And I know your family, you were actually, I don't want to say well-versed in Sasquatch, but you were well aware of it, especially with what was going on around your property with your family. And before we get into your encounter, do you want to talk a little bit about that, some of the sightings around the property and what you remember of your mom and your dad talking about these creatures being around the property? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:12 Where I grew up is right on the border of the Dangaboon National Forest. And there's private property on the outside of the De Boone Forest. And there's some parcel of the private property inside the boundary of the National Forest. There's been sightings and encounters. from the 50s and 60s all the way up when I grew up and I heard about every one of these

Starting point is 00:59:41 you know and about half of everybody my family at one time or another has seen one and I grew up hearing about these they would there was even like a pass

Starting point is 00:59:57 behind the house I grew up at the neighbor would throw out scraps and there was one when I was pretty small, I was probably about six or seven. They would come up behind the house and go after them scraps. And my aunts, my uncles, they've all had their fair share sightings, you know. So I grew up here about these. Yeah, so you were pretty well aware of them. And your encounter really fascinates me because of what it did. If you would, would you kind of walk into it? Tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened.

Starting point is 01:00:33 I see this was back in the summer of 95. It was a summer vacation between my junior and senior year of high school and about five weeks before school started. And me and my closest, two of my closest friends, you know, when it was summer was winding down. So we figured we would go camp in this, another cliff. We got these cliff overhangs. We call them rock houses. We had a couple of regular ones we stayed in growing up, and we figured we go down there and spend the night.

Starting point is 01:01:11 And a couple of other boys in our senior class, they asked to tag along. So it ended up being five of us. And we went down there and so I built a little fire and sit around, you know. And we knew that we knew school was starting. And once school was over, we were going to be pretty busy, you know. So we were just hanging out down there. It's probably about midnight, 12.30.

Starting point is 01:01:43 We heard something walking up the path. They come from the creek up the holler towards the cliff where we were staying. One of my buddies, he said, you think that's your dad walking up here? And I said, I don't think so. Because when we were small, we were 12, 13, 14 years old and would camp out by ourselves. My dad's retired Air Force. He would venture down halfway through the night and just check on us, you know, when we were young. But he quit doing that several years before.

Starting point is 01:02:17 And I told him, I said, I don't think, I don't think so unless there's an emergency or, you know, something's wrong. And the footsteps sounded a lot heavier because I've heard everybody walk in and out of there. and it just didn't it sounded way heavier than one of us walking in or out and they didn't pay no attention to me and they just assumed that that's who it was is my dad or something

Starting point is 01:02:43 but whatever it was walked up it walked up directly below the rock house and there was popper trees there's like poplar trees a little bit of a hill coming out of the rock house and it stopped right behind the biggest poplar tree, right dead center, down below the rock house, probably about 75 feet.

Starting point is 01:03:10 It just stayed down there and never made a move or a sound. But we had these big D-cell. I was old-fashioned, the flashlights, big D-cell square battery flashlights. We took a couple of them, and me and my buddy, we stepped out from the cliff to get away from the campfire. our travel our eyes adjust a little bit. So we got about 16, 18 foot from the edge of the clip there. And we were shining flashlights down there. This thing was peeking out a little bit at the time.

Starting point is 01:03:46 It peaked out with his eyes closed. It popped its eyes open and they were fire red with the flashlights, you know, reflecting off of them. And then it would go back behind the tree. tree. And when we peek out, you could see a bit of its right arm. It's the right side of its torso just a little bit. They did this about three or four times. I'd say about 12 minutes, something like that, had went by. And finally, it just took the, took it upon itself, just stepped out from behind that tree completely and just stare us down, you know, particularly. You know, particularly. We just took it.

Starting point is 01:04:28 It was looking upward. We were looking down at an angle toward it. And it just gave us a good 10-second view from the head to toe. And it never, they never grabbed. They never showed its teeth. It just had like a stern look on its face. And it was just kind of sizing us up and letting us have a ganderer. It did.

Starting point is 01:04:57 I never, I never laid up. guys on one. This is my first time seeing one, and this was pretty close, you know. It's 55 feet, you know, 60 foot at the most. Its head was, its head was bald, rounded like a human head. It's face, human-looking face, very human-looking face. It looked like an older man. and, you know, 70, 80-year-old man had wrinkles.

Starting point is 01:05:32 It had a little bit of hair above the ears. The ears were small for the size of this thing. 7 foot 2, 7.3, 650 pounds. Gray white hair from Nick all the way down to its feet. Its ears were just, you know, not proportional for the size of this thing. But instead of elongated cartilies like ours, they were more. round. But, you know, I can see him clearly.

Starting point is 01:06:00 And the hair above its ears was short anyway. And then bald on top. And it had, uh, I had like these mutton chops on the sides of its cheeks. They just kind of grew that way naturally. And I never opened his mouth. You know, the nose, the chin, everything. It's just like human-looking face of an older man. And, uh, on the body.

Starting point is 01:06:26 of a very big animal. After about 10 seconds, you just stepped back behind that tree and never made a move. Just silently stood behind it for quite a while. You know, and we eased back up into the rock house. As we didn't know what was this going to do, just stand there forever.

Starting point is 01:06:48 You know, we didn't know how long it was going to stand there. But as soon as we got back up and eased back up to the rock house, it took off on it. diagonal and went out of the holler. It didn't go back out of the path that came up. It went on diagonal. It's, the only,

Starting point is 01:07:04 you know, vocalizations, really it made was kind of like sounds about, you know, like aggravation, irritableness, you know, like kind of like huffing,

Starting point is 01:07:15 huffing, like it wasted its time coming all the way down there. And it pushed a few of those tree tops that have been torn off in the winter storms. You could hear it pushing a few things out with the way as it headed out, but that's the only sounds it made. It didn't sound like it was too happier or pleased that we were down there. But, yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:43 Yeah, and I would imagine you're not really, you're in shock, but you had heard about this most of your life. You'd known family members had been feeding these things. And now you're actually looking at one. I would imagine you had some shock looking at this thing. There's always some shock looking at this thing. The part that I find fascinating is I know you'd mentioned like an Irishman, you know, very human-like. You're looking at something that's very human-like in the face. And it's fascinating, too, you thought it was old.

Starting point is 01:08:12 But what was it about it that made you think it was old? It had a picturesque face of an older gentleman. It was the wrinkles around the eyes, just the, just, just, just like an old grandpa, you know, just that, that face, you know. It, it seemed to be kind of sizing this up, you know, it was like, kind of just, it was a stern look. You know, you know, it kept it, it kept looking real, right at me and him. And like, it was kind of trying to make, try to make his mind up, you know, you know, how aggravated it was going to be. but the face just looked like an older distinguished gentleman in a way you know

Starting point is 01:08:59 except for those big mutton chops kind of hair was you know an inch and a half two inches long on this side of the cheeks where it had like them crazy looking you know not sideburner for like those old uh biker gang mutton chops but uh just uh it had the had the wrinkles of an old man yeah just kind of had that appearance like he had been around the block a few times and not so much young. Yeah, no, I understand what you mean. So you guys go back to the rock outpost. Was there, or the overhang, did you guys decide to leave for the night? I mean, were you guys dressing out? Or what was kind of going? Because I know you had seen it two other

Starting point is 01:09:43 times, but that's a, we can get into that in a minute. But what's going through your mind at this point? You're like, I'm just going to pack up all my crap and get out of here. Forget this. you know what I mean? I mean, or were you thinking? Well, that was the first time it had come down. That was the first time.

Starting point is 01:10:00 That was the only time it ever stepped out away from the tree and did that. And, like, offered a view of it, a full-on view of it. The following two times, it didn't do that. The following two times, it came up behind that same tree, peaked out a couple of times, and then went off and didn't spend much time, less each time, you know, so the second time, you know, eight, ten minutes, you know, 12 minutes, the third time, five minutes tops. So that was the one and only time that it stepped out from the tree and just kind of, you know,

Starting point is 01:10:36 you want to look at me, look at me, you know, it wasn't, you know, but it wasn't aggressive, you know, but that was the longest and that was the most, the best view, you know. well so what happens so you decide uh you guys eventually leave at some point and how much later do you go back for the second time i realize you don't get quite the view you got the first time but how much what kind of a time frame are you going back and why do you go back well um we we spent the nine i didn't i don't believe i got any sleep because it was really it was kind of exciting I got a pretty good three a lot of it. I mean, it was, it was, there was apprehension.

Starting point is 01:11:22 And there was, you know, but I was next to, you know, I had some, you know, we had guns and I wasn't alone. If I had been alone, it would have been a whole different story. But I got, you know, it was exciting. And, you know, a couple of us just wanted to, you know, see if we could see it again. You know, we didn't really think it would happen, you know, mathematically. you know, statistically, we just didn't think it was probable that it would happen again. So it was two weeks later. And we already had stuff down there in that Rock House, you know, everything we needed.

Starting point is 01:12:00 So we just, you know, went on down there again, spent another night. And it was 12.30 came and went. And I thought, well, it probably, it's probably not going to show about 1.30 right after. After 1.30, I heard the same footstep coming straight up that path, you know, same path we used to go up there. And it came right up to that same big poplar tree, stood behind it, peaked out about two or three times, you know. I signed flashlights down there, you know, red eyes, you know. And then it stood back there and didn't pop out again for, you know, a few minutes. And then it kind of eased back away and then went off on that diagonal back out of the holler.

Starting point is 01:12:51 It didn't make as much, you know, nobody's heading out that time. It didn't seem to be as aggravated the second time when it headed out. And I was excited again, you know, and we tried, I mean, we tried to get somebody to loan us a camera, but we're 17 years old. You know, we don't have the money to buy one. Nobody would, nobody would loan us one. so short of stealing one, you know, I couldn't come up with them that short amount of time. And that had been nice if I could.

Starting point is 01:13:23 But I was just excited to see it a second time. I can imagine. And before we're going into the third time, because I think you brought a skeptic with you, I wanted to ask you, before you go into that, what do you think is going on with this creature? Do you think it's just coming down, check things out? obviously if it really wanted to turn this into a complete S-storm, it would make itself known and scare you guys out of there. And it doesn't really seem like that's what it was doing. And I find that, and it's odd because you mention it being older. And you hear that a lot of

Starting point is 01:13:58 times with older creatures to wear, and I've talked to many, many witnesses in Alaska, well, what made you think it was old? And then basically from their descriptions, you can tell it's old, but you don't quite get the aggression you do with the older ones as you do with the younger ones. But what do you think it was doing, just coming down, seeing what you guys were doing, and then it was piecing out, going off to do whatever it was doing for the night? Yeah, I believe it had been up there and probably seen where we had stuff sitting around and had kind of arranged the rock house, you know, to make it more comfortable. So it's seen the presence of humans up there in that rock house.

Starting point is 01:14:37 And then it's probably it's hurt us. It's either hurt us coming in that evening before the sun went down or it's, it's hurt us up there, you know, five of us talking and it echoing out of that cliff. And it's, it's, it's just wanted to know what was going on. And that's why I think it just, it just walked straight up there and didn't, didn't waste its time trying to sneak up or anything like that. It just, it boldly just walked up, you know, and, uh, directly behind that tree to look right in that rock house to see what was going on.

Starting point is 01:15:11 And I think it, I think you could tell that, you know, even though we were 17, we'd just turn 17. If it was, it was an older one. I'm a positive. It was an older one. It knew we were, we weren't doing anything to, to bother it, really. And I think it was just, I think it was a little aggravated that it even took, the time to go over there and see what it was. And I think the second and third time, it was just kind of double-checking, you know,

Starting point is 01:15:44 you know, the same basically the same situation. And it's just for its own peace of mind, I suppose. Yeah, and I know you're 17 at this point and you're about ready to go off into the military. This is kind of one last ditch trip to go have fun with your buddies. And I think you're right. I think it was just kind of curious. And as you and I were talking about the other night, You know, a 17-year-old, I see a 17-year-old kid, you know, and I see a kid. I really do. I see a kid. And maybe it's because I'm older now, but, you know, I see a guy in his early 20s and I see a kid. And maybe that's how he viewed you guys. There's really no threat here. You guys are shining flashlights at it, but no one's pulling a gun. No one's really freaking out. And to your credit, I think some of that has to do, I know we really didn't touch on a lot of it, but it has to do with what was going on at your property.

Starting point is 01:16:36 which really wasn't too far away of these things coming in and feeding them. And, you know, even your neighbor was, I think, unintentionally feeding them. But before you get into that, tell us about the third encounter. You went with someone who they didn't believe in Bigfoot, correct? No. I don't know how they had heard about it because I certainly didn't go talking to my peers about it. But this person was in the same grade. We were getting ready to go in their senior year.

Starting point is 01:17:08 And not somebody we hung out much with. And they just came up and asked us. You know, they said, they wanted to go down there. They wanted to see this thing. And I guess one of the others, you know, hadn't mentioned it to them. I really wasn't planning on a third trip down there. And he was pre-insistent. So I thought, well, it would be kind of fun to show somebody that's never seen one.

Starting point is 01:17:38 That'd be kind of, that'd be something different, you know. And it probably won't even show up anyway. They're just, you know, one of the odds of that. So we took him down there. That was just three of us. We had our guns and everything. And it was pretty warm. So it was just a small, little fire belt.

Starting point is 01:17:56 And we waited and waited and waited, you know, and it's like 2.30. And he was getting pretty disappointed, you know. And I was just like, and it's not going to show up, you know. You know, just call it a night. And we actually laid down, you know, not, hadn't went to sleep, but I had laid down. It was about 10 minutes at the most after we laid down. And I, I heard it walking right up that path. But this time, it was a little more subdued.

Starting point is 01:18:27 It was taking its time, being a little bit more quiet. and it eased up the same place you know and I handed him a flashlight and I said well there you go just step out here and you know outside underneath the cliff a little bit and you know see what we can see so we shine it down there and he got a he got a he got a good blitz of his right like his right arm and it peaked it it peaked out three times briefly, you know. And the way it would do it, it was like, it did the same every time.

Starting point is 01:19:07 It would, it was eyes would be closed. It would lean out. And then it would just pop its eyes open and then close them and then go back behind the tree. It just did the same way every time. And then it, I think it turned around while it was behind the tree and then went directly away from the cliff, you know, farther away into the dark. then it kind of turned and went on its little diagonal up out of the holler. And he wasn't too pleased with what he got to see. He was kind of a complainer and whined about it.

Starting point is 01:19:45 He didn't get to see everything. And I wanted to go back down there again. And I told him he was free to go down there as many nights as he wanted. But the story was enough for me. it was tough getting any sleep that night because he was pretty disappointed. Yeah, and that's the thing. You know, these things aren't toys. They're not going to come out and do a dance for you.

Starting point is 01:20:14 You know, and I think that's what sometimes a lot of skeptics think they're going to come out and show themselves to you or dance for you. And it couldn't be farther from the truth. Makes you wonder though why didn't step out. You know, the one thing I find fascinating about your account, J.D., you and I talked about this other night, is with I'm starting to think with older ones, they become more predictable in what they do. And here's what I mean by this.

Starting point is 01:20:39 I had a gentleman on the show one time. And he was talking about, I think his four-wheeler broke down. And when his four-wheeler broke down, he was trying to find, he was trying to get back home. So he starts walking down this trail. Well, this thing starts pacing him out all the way down the trail, pacing this guy out. And I told you this other night. he goes to this hermit's house and the hermit uh he knew the guy he said the guy had lived there you know gosh all of his life just this old old man that lived down there and finally the old man

Starting point is 01:21:10 said to him you and so what are you really here for and he said you want to know what's following you out of the forest and the guy looked up at him you know it was just a kid at the time he's like yeah and he said oh that's um and they had a name for him i don't remember what the name they actually named them and they said oh it's just so-and-so i don't really know what he is, but he's older now, and he won't harm you. He'll pace you out, he'll walk you out, but he just, he's more curious than he is anything else. I've never seen him hurt anyone, period. And it makes you wonder, as they get older, do they become more predictable in their movements, like him coming back behind that tree every time, coming up the same path every time? I don't know

Starting point is 01:21:52 if that was more of a logistical decision as opposed to predictable. But I think as they get older, they become more and more predictable, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. If it's got that much in common, like with facial features, and that one had a very human head and human face. Now, if you took this,

Starting point is 01:22:13 if you took its skull off its shoulders and put it next to an adult male, human male skull, it might have had a bit more mass, maybe a little bit more circumference, you know, around the skull. But it was,

Starting point is 01:22:28 basically a human face. If it's got that much in common, then predictable behavior in later years, I could definitely see that, lower testosterone. And now everybody talks about it, and I agree with that usually when you see one, there's another one somewhere nearby.

Starting point is 01:22:51 And I would generally, you know, 99% of the time, that's what I would bank on. But with this, I just had the gut feeling that this was a lone ranger. This one, this one wasn't, it wasn't with the posse. And it might have been why it was, it was more free to come down there, you know, whenever, you know, all three times. It's because it wasn't dealing with others of its own kind. It was kind of on its own.

Starting point is 01:23:25 I just had that feeling. older ones like that might break off from the pack i don't know yeah it's hard it's really hard to say it's really hard to say i like the fact that it didn't show any sort of aggression towards you i wish more encounters are like that but they're not i would say most of your encounters are not like this um and in this one you know i think it was a perfect storm you know it's an older individual probably does not really want to fight sees a bunch of kids down there you You guys are really no threat to him at one bit. And I'll come check it out, see what you guys are doing.

Starting point is 01:24:02 Then I'll piece out and do what I'm doing. So I can kind of see that. You know, with an older one, you do hear reports like of them being a little bit more gentle as they get older. I think, you know, as they're more of the alpha male, the younger, you know, kind of like humans. You know, a guy in his 30s and a guy in his 70s act completely different, completely different people. And it makes me wonder about these things. What do you think Sasquatch is, J.D.? What's your honest opinion?

Starting point is 01:24:33 Well, I've watched modern science, you know, mess about with gene splicing and stuff. And I kind of come down on the side that quite some time ago, 50,000, you know, 60,000 years ago, that there was something similar. going on and that these are kind of a a biological construct you know something something put together by by us or

Starting point is 01:25:10 who knows but probably us and you was telling me a story about a Marine who was an atheist and he called these things abominations and which basically you know something that should not exist that just that's exactly

Starting point is 01:25:28 how I would describe it. If something was, you know, an artificial construct, you know, a chimera or something like that, then it, it wouldn't have existed if not for the interventions of people doing things, you know, for their own devices or reasons, I don't know. But now we've got to deal with them. Now we've got, we've got all this wilderness, you know, or blessed with all this wilderness, but every time you go out there, you've got to think, oh, yeah, that's right. I'm not alone out here. I go back and get my extra gun and, you know, keep my eyes open, you know. It kind of steals the peace away in a way, the great outdoors when you know these things are

Starting point is 01:26:18 out there, you know. You know, it's hard to say what these things are, and abomination sure seems to put the nail in the head, but, you know, I've got to be careful. Like I said, until I have one of my garage, I'm studying, I really don't know. But I appreciate you coming on and talking about your encounters. And all three of them are, they're fascinating to me. You know, it makes me wonder if this thing had seen you before or knew where you had come from or there's so many unanswered questions with it.

Starting point is 01:26:48 But I really appreciate you taking the time to share it. Oh, thank you, Wes. I'm glad to get a chance to come on, you know. I can encourage you. anybody that's seen one or run into one to come on the show. Thanks, JD. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email.

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