Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:452 I shot it in the throat

Episode Date: July 16, 2018

Tonight I will be speaking to a witness from SE Oklahoma. There is a long family history of sightings. The guest will be sharing some of the encounters from his family as well as his own encounters. I will be having this guest back for a part two, otherwise this might be a 4 hour show tonight. One of the encounters that really interested me was when the guest was a teenager and he came face to face with a Sasquatch. Here is a small portion of that encounter:   "I put the gun to my shoulder and took aim, I was on it and it looked almost surprised, its eyes got big and it just froze in place. I know it looked me right in the eyes, I said you better say something I am not kidding man you better say something or ill put one in you. Fight or flight kicked in and I wasn't running. Its put it's arms out to its side palms towards me and then let out a deep grumble like you hear a lion on tv do before it gets in a fight then from a grumble to a roar that shook my insides and I was still focused on it in the scope, I put one of those cci stingers right in its throat and it jerked and jumped real fast back to the sycamore then I could hear coughing a bit and just when I thought it was over it really wasn't."

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here, no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me,

and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling out, he'd he grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here.

What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatchew. Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show planned for you tonight. I'm going to be talking to Gris. It's the nickname he goes by, and Gris actually lives in southeast Oklahoma, and his whole family has encountered these creatures for many, many years. he's known about these sayings. And he's going to be sharing his family history with some of the creatures tonight and also his own personal experiences, including one where he actually had to be shot one of these creatures. A very fascinating account, and he'll go into his description of what he saw, why he took a shot. And if he feels bad about shooting it, if you've had an encounter and he'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email.

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I know it's going to be a longer show than normal. Gris, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for being here. No problem, ma'am. Yeah, thank you again for coming on. I really appreciate you being here. Before we actually get into your own personal encounters, I know your family has kind of a long history of run-ins with these creatures

and being on the property down there in southeast, Oklahoma. If you would, would you kind of start with that? Tell us a little bit about some of the experiences your family's had, and then we'll walk into some of your encounters. Yeah, it happened in the late 70s. My grandparents and my dad started noticing that something was going into their washhouse, which was built away from their house about 10 or 15 feet. That's where they had their washer and dryer,

and they kept their deep freezes out there. They started noticing that the door would be open and the lid on the deep freeze would be open, and they had meat coming up missing and vegetables that they froze from out of the garden out there. It was going on for a few days before they actually seen anything. But one night, my grandma and my dad and my uncle Matthew was all there in the living room,

and they kept getting a smell. coming from back behind the couch, which behind the couch, there was a great big pitcher window, about five, six foot long and about four foot tall. And on each side of it, it's got a little 11 or 12 inch windows, two of them on each side that open up so you can let the breeze come through the house. And they kept getting a smell. my dad described it as the way a cotton mouse smells,

kind of a fishy musky stench. So they went over there and pulled the couch out because my dad was convinced that there was a snake in the house. But he would pull the couch out and they was looking around and looked underneath it and stuff. Well, they couldn't see nothing. So I put it all back. My grandma went back in the kitchen.

my dad went out on the front porch and my uncle Matthew he was about eight at the time was sitting in the living room at the coffee table which was about five or six foot out in front of the couch messing around there with some stuff I think he was playing with cars just what I was told

on top of this big iron coffee table well he started screaming like something was wrong with him like something had a hold of him or something you know, he was like he was hurt. So dad come running in the house, you know, asking what was wrong and grandma come out of the kitchen. And she just so happened to look over at that picture window when she did and seen what she described as a great, big, dirty, hairy man,

kind of setting up on his haunches like he was squatted. down there looking in the window. The way the house is built, my grandpa and his dad built the house, and they dug out the heel side so that picture window, the bottom of the windows, about level with the ground when you're looking out the back. And she said it was squatted over there, and it was taken up the whole window from the bottom to the top. And it was just right outside of the light, just,

where you could see it barely in the light from the living room in the dark there. And so what happens next? Did they, I mean, God, that's got to be terrifying, something that big. That's a big window you're describing. And for it to take up a whole window, you know, you know it's large. Yeah. You've got to figure, you know, it pretty much squatting down almost with its butt on the ground, you know, taking up basically four foot of space.

from top to bottom. You can almost double that when it stands up, you know. But my grandma was like, you know, who is that? What is that? You know, my dad looked up and seen it. And when he looked up and seen it, it took off. So he took off for the front door because he was going to run around the back of the house, you know, to meet it.

And he grabbed the shotgun out of the corner there by the door. as he was going. When he got in the backyard, he had enough time to see it jump over the yard fence right behind the house, which was a four-foot-high hogwire fence

with two rows of bobwire on top of it. So all together, it was probably about five foot off the ground to the top of the fence, you know. He said it just hopped over that like it wasn't there, you know, just basically stepped over it. So he run toward the gate to chase it out back behind the yard and the big part of the yard.

And he said he could just see it with a little bit of moonlight. He said he couldn't make out the color of it or nothing like that, but he could just see it with a little bit of moonlight as it jumped over at the back fence out of the big yard out by the chicken coop, which is about a six-foot, two before. wire fence. It's got little two inch by four inch tall squares in it,

you know, or rectangles. Yeah. He said it went right over that across the little driveway there, kind of heading out toward the chicken coop there. So he took off to the other gate that went out of there,

out to where the chicken coop was. And he said he watched it as it was trying to make the corner at the corner of the chicken fence. and it run into a railroad tie post at the corner, and it just snapped it off at the ground when it hit it. He said this kind of bounced off a little bit, but snapped that post off level with the ground.

So right then he figured, you know, that wasn't a man, because there ain't no way a man's going to, you know, bust off a railroad tie post. And he said, so he stopped, but he watched it keep running. and they'd been clearing out the fence row that was right there next to the chicken pan. They had a little brush pile out there. He said it was about six or seven foot high around.

He said it just kind of hopped right over the top of it and up the side of the hill and it was gone. But my grandma had called the laws and they come out there looking around and stuff. She told them she thought it might have been what she called a misgrant, you know, like a hobo, because it'd been stealing stuff out of her wash house and whatnot. They put a padlock on the washhouse after that

to keep it from going in there to keep people out, you know. And her bedroom was on the far end of the house that was closest to the washhouse and had a window that was almost straight across. from the wash house door. She said for about a week there, after they seen it, she could hear something messing with that wash house door, and she'd get up the bed and turn on her bedroom lot,

and then she could hear it running, like running off, because there's a leg-brick pathway between the house and the wash-house, and that goes all the way up that one side of the house. And she said, you could hear something pretty heavy running across that brick when she turned her light on. Did your grandma ever come back and say it obviously wasn't a person, or did she always think it was a person? No, she actually ended up making kind of like a report type deal with the BFRO website.

She had stated to me years later before she had passed away that she knew it was a Sasquot. You know, she just knew it. There's no way that would have been a person that large in that window and that hairy, you know. Yeah, it makes sense. You know, and it's in our, I'm always fascinated with people, especially in your area. Because I think a lot of people, especially a lot of old timers, know a lot more than what they say. And if you look at reports and incidents reported from a lot of these different websites like BFRO, it doesn't seem like there's, I mean, there's stuff going on in Oklahoma.

But I think there's way more that goes on down there. As you and I were talking before we went on the air, I was telling you, I get more reports out of Oklahoma than I do from the Pacific Northwest. Way more reports. And I'm always amazed by it. And I want to come back to some of your family stories. If you would, would you walk us into your first encounter? I know you were pretty young. For your first encounter, you got a good look at it.

I know there's another encounter where you got a better look at it. But kind of walk us into that when you were with, I think you're with your sister, weren't you, and her boyfriend? Yeah, we was a grandpa's place on my mom's side of the family, which he lives. Well, he lived, he doesn't live there now. Now he lives out of western part of Oklahoma. But he lived about 11 miles or so back south and east of where my house is now, which is kind of out in more of the mountains,

well, the hills, but we call them mountains, out more in the mountains than where my place is. But we was over there, and her boyfriend didn't live too far from my grandpa's place. I want to say I was somewhere pretty close to 10, 11 years old, something like that. We decided we won't go driving around. down in what we call McCutcheon bottom, because the original landowner of that place, his last name was McCutcheon.

And some company had bought the land from him, and they pretty much basically, like, hired my grandfather to be the caretaker of it because they were selling it, selling it off from little five-acre tracks, and there was about 400 acres there. They pretty much paid him with 10 acres of land down in there, whatever 10 acres he wanted to choose to go down in there and keep it brush-hawked off in the fields and stuff and keep the road in decent-ish driving condition that went around pretty much the perimeter of the property.

So we decidedly we're going to go down there and drive around. And there's a creek that starts off from a big rock bluff that's on the edge of that property. that winds around pretty well dropped through the center of it. And we were driving around and we started across this little creek, which it was pretty much dried up, but there was still some moisture in the ground around up pretty heavy, you know. And we started up out of it and the back end of the trunk, the truck got stuck.

So we was just there. We had one of those car phones, you know, it wasn't really like a handheld cell phone, but it like plugged up in your cigarette lighter and had a big battery pack on it, you know. Oh, yeah, I remember. Caught you a fortune to make a phone call too, but sorry, go ahead. We had one of those, for just in case we got stuck down in there.

My grandpa had it because he was a cattle hot shot. He hot shot of cows for people, and he'd take it in the truck with him, so he could call back to the house and stuff, you know. But we had it just in case we got stuck or something so we could call him. He could come down there and pull us out. Well, we got stuck and we called him. He said, well, you know, give him about 30 minutes and he'd be down there. Well, all right, so we're just sitting there.

And my sister's boyfriend, I killed the pickup, and we just had the headlights on with the radio. going just pretty low, you know, sitting there talking, listening to the radio. Well, on the edge of the headlights off to the right of us, you could just barely see off in the trees a little bit, and you can see, you know, the creek banks. Which these creek banks was cut by the water pretty deep. The banks were about six, seven foot, down to the creek bed, you know, on both sides right there in that little.

area back away from us, a little way. And we've seen something that looked like it was on all fours go off the bank down in that creek bed. And I was thinking to myself and stuff, you know, that looks like a bear.

So I kind of pointed it out as it was coming down into the creek bed to my sister and her boyfriend. Hey, look, there's a black bear over there, you know. and my sister just barely had caught a glimpse of it right before it disappeared down into the bed you know she was like well that's pretty cool

we're just sitting there and it probably wasn't you know 10 15 maybe 20 seconds later it popped up on the edge of the creek bed there closer to us and it's just like head and shoulders up above it now I was like look there it is, you know, and we're sitting there looking at it. But then it put its hands, not Paul's, its hands, up there on the ground and kind of picked

itself up and crawled up out of that creek bed onto the top of the bank there. And I was like, what the heck, you know? But it was still kind of on all fours when it come up out of there. And my sister was like, yeah, that's a bear. and I was like, yeah, it looks like a bear. And Chris was like, yeah, that's a bear. Well, then it started standing up, and it just kept standing up. And, you know, it seemed like it took it forever to stand and blow them up

because it just kept coming up. And they kind of took a couple steps after he got stood up. And they turned and looked over there at the pickup. But when he did, you could plainly see that it didn't have a snout. or a muzzle like a bear or a dog, it was flat-faced. There wasn't nothing hanging out there off the end of its face. And, you know, it was like, you know, that ain't no bear. And it stood there and it just kind of looked,

and it kind of bobbed its head up and down just real slow, like it was kind of sort of leaning in at us and then standing back up a little bit, you know. Well, it seemed like forever, but it probably really wasn't about 10 seconds. It did that. And Chris wretch up there and hit the high beams on the pickup because it was on the low beams. And when it switched, the light got brighter and, you know, showed higher up on it and stuff.

Well, when it did, it towed its arm up in front of its face and then it took off of running out in front of the truck about, it probably wasn't 30 or 40 yards off in front of the truck went across the road in front of us, and then we could hear it as it went up the hillside. Their little old knoll going through the brush and popping limbs and stuff until it topped out and went over the other side, and then you couldn't hear it no more. And was it on two legs the whole time? Yeah, once it got up out of the creek bed and stood up, it was on two legs from there on out. You know, bears don't cover their eyes and hold their hand up or their paw and run on two feet.

No, they don't. Wind sprint or nothing, you know, and that's what it was like. It was like it was running a 40-yard dash just as fast as it could just flash across that road and up the side of that hill. Did it just kind of look like a hairy man, or how would you describe what you saw? I wouldn't say it really looked like a hairy man. I mean, as far as the body, you know, having two legs and two arms and a head sitting on shoulders, that would look like a man, but it was way thicker than any man. The best way you could describe it would be like a, I wouldn't say a bodybuilder

because it wasn't like it just had, you know, super giant, large defined muscles or not. something like that, but you can see the muscle under the hair as it run. It would have been more like a strong man, you know, the guys that do the world's strongest man. Yeah, just a real chested, dick from top to bottom. And I didn't really notice if it had like a cone-shaped head like a gorilla or a real round head or nothing because it wasn't really lit up good enough to tell a whole lot of definition besides When it runs right there pretty close in front of the truck, you can see the muscles in its legs. When it'd take a step, you know, kind of like in that patty feeling.

If you slow it down, watch it as it walked away, you can see that muscle flexing its leg on the side of its leg. You could see that as it ran. What did you think you were looking at at the time, Briss? I know your family has a long history of what these things, but did you know right away what you were looking at? I was really more confused about it at the time, you know, but within just a couple minutes of it getting out of eyes shot and ear shot. My sister was saying, you know, that that was a big foot, no doubt. You know, that was a big foot. We've seen a big foot.

And her boyfriend, Chris, he was kind of reluctant to admit to it. and I just kind of agreed with my sister. You know what? Yeah, that had to be a big foot. And so what happens next? It just leaves, and then you guys obviously get pulled out of there? Yeah, my grandpa showed up probably 10 to 15 minutes after that had happened to pull us out. And when he pulled up behind us, we crawled out of the truck and we was all telling him, you know,

that we seen a big foot. And it was right over there. and run across the road. And he pretty much blew us off and told us we were scaring ourselves. And, you know, there wasn't no such thing as a big foot and this and that. If only he'd have been there, you know, 10 minutes sooner, he'd have seen it for his sale. Yeah, and it's important to note this is the other side of the family, right? This is your mom's.

This isn't the grandparents you were talking about earlier. No, this would be my mom's side of the family. Yeah, it makes you wonder why it would come out like that. you know, why it would show itself to you guys in the truck? They do it a lot, but it makes you wonder why, you know what I mean? Yeah. I really don't think it was paying much attention because we'd sat there for several minutes before that had happened, you know.

With the truck off, the radio was just barely playing, and we was sitting there with the windows up, just kindly talking, not talking real loud, just talking amongst ourselves there in the cab of the truck, you know, we was all right there in close quarters, so we wasn't being loud. And I just don't think it was paying much attention. It was just meandering through there, you know. And then when it come up out of that creek bed, it noticed, hey, there's lights right there. So it kind of stared us down.

I think it was probably trying to figure out what we was just as much as we were trying to figure out what it was. Yeah, that sounds like it. Changed them lights, you know, it changed its whole mood to the last. just light sitting there, you know. I need to get out of here, so it's beat feet on out of there. Yeah, it's still fascinating to me that they'll do that.

You know, I don't think they're quite the shy creature, the shy and timid creature, everyone thinks they are. I think in a lot of those situations, do you hear them with people coming down the road? And if you've ever been out on a country road at night, you can hear a car coming a mile away.

And it's like they wait until the last minute and then jump out right in front of you. I hear those encounters time and time again, and they would shock me because you would think for such an intelligent animal it would sit and just wait. No, a car is coming. I'm going to sit and wait until it goes by, and then I'm going to cross. But that's not the way it happens. I know a couple of years later, it was three or four years later, you were 15, 16 years old, I believe. You'll have to correct me on that gris.

But you had another encounter. Would you mind walking us into it? What were you doing and what happened? Oh, yeah, I was, by this time, my mom and dad had been divorced for a while, and my mom had moved to me and my sister out to the western side of the state, kind of out toward Lott in Oklahoma, out in that area. Well, I'd come down to my dad's house every other weekend, and then during the summertime I'd come down and spend,

a couple weeks at a time at his house, and I got to where I was walking down here to the creek. That's about half mile from the house across some core of engineers land. I'd walk down there to that creek and catfish there in the early morning and then in the evening. And I was 15, so by that time my dad was trusting enough, he'd let me take a gun down there by myself in case I found some snares.

or something, you know, to shoot or if I decided instead of fishing, I might want to get up and walk around the bottom there and shoot some squirrels or something like that, you know. Throughout that summer, I've been down here a couple different times. So it was getting into July, you know, about this time of year. And we had heard, just like all throughout the years when they growing up, some hoops and stuff, sound almost like a damn big coyote, but a lot deeper than a coyote or a wolf gets whenever it housed.

We'd hear that throughout the summer around here. Back to the north of the house and the south and back east and west. It was almost like they was hollering back and forth saying, you know, I'm over here. Well, I'm over here, and I'm down here and I'm up here. type thing you know well i sat down there fishing one morning i can't remember the exact date but i know it was in july i think it was about my third trip to come stay a week or so with my dad and my stepmom was up here at the house watching a nascar race because my dad was a big time nascar fan and he was

on working. So she'd watch the race and call him and tell him periodically, you know, who was winning, who was in the lead and all that good stuff because he was pretty hardcore about it. I was down there, and I kept hearing something whooping and kind of hollering almost like a howl, but it seemed to me like it was real loud. and my dad had got a track phone for me to take, like, down there with me in case something happened or something, you know, so I could get a hold of somebody if I needed to. Well, I called my stepmom on it. I was like, hey, you know, go outside and see if you can hear this.

She's like, what? I was like, them damn creatures. That's what our neighbors up the hill from us, about a quarter mile here. that's what they called them. They was older folks. Like, they would have been probably old enough to be my granddad's parents, you know. They was older folks. When they'd hear them, they'd talk to my dad about the screechers hollering and stuff.

So we were just kind of calling them screechers because they was. I was like, see, if you can hear this screecher going off, she thought, well, all right, and she went outside. and it popped off a couple times there and she's like, I don't hear nothing. I was like, well, I do loud and clear, you know. Well, across the creek from me, there's a big sycamore tree. That's probably, if you measured it one side to the other on the trunk, it's probably about three foot thick, you know.

Well, I've seen a little bit of movement across there, kind of back behind that sycamore tree a little bit. I told him that one of us, like, I could say something. What do you mean you think you see something? About that time, I seen part of the face kind of pop out from behind that sycamore tree. Just like an eye and part of the cheek, you know. It was like somebody playing peek-a-boo with you. And then it disappeared real quick.

It probably wasn't there just a second or two. I was like, I seen something, you know, And she said what? I was like, I don't know, but I can see something moving around over across the creek. Well, after it kind of hooped again just a little bit, and then it stuck its whole head and, like, right side, almost down to its foot, kind of out behind the tree, like it leaned out from behind the tree, you know. And I told Michelle, I was like, holy shit.

shit. There it is. You know, she's like, what? I was like, something or somebody, and I was getting pretty scared. You know, the adrenaline was starting to pump. And I remember what my dad had always told me since I started going down there by myself, you know, if you see somebody down there because we owned that little piece of land that I was on, he's like, run their ass off, you know, get them out of here.

They ain't got no business here. So I said, okay, well, I had a Rubier 1022 with me for shooting snakes and stuff. You know, 22 ain't much, but it'll do the job on a snake or squirrel or what have you. And I had it laying there beside me on top of my tackle box. It was laying there on top of it. And then it worked as well. laid right on out from behind the tree. And it was facing me.

And it didn't have a whole lot of hair on its front side. It kind of looked like it might have had names or something, really. I just dropped the phone there on the ground beside the chair and snatched that 22 up and stood up as quick as I could. And my dad always taught me he was a sniper in the Army. and he taught me to always shoot with both eyes open because you can keep track of your target better if you got both eyes open.

And that 22 had a three-by-nine tasco scope on it, which at 40 yards or so, you know, you can see stuff real clear. And as I was coming up, I shouldered the gun, and when I got full standing, I was... aimed in right on its head and neck chest area, you know. Well, it kind of froze in place like a statue. And it was staring me down. I could tell it was looking me right smack in the eye through that scope, you know.

Because when you look at somebody, you can tell if they're looking at you in the eye or they're looking somewhere else. It was looking me right in the face. And I was looking at it right in the face. and it just stood there and then it kind of like leaned in toward me like it was getting a better a little bit closer view like it was leaning toward me you know well by this time the fear had gone away and the adrenaline was really really pumping and I don't have much of a

fly when it comes to fight or flight. I'm more of the fight type, you know. So I wasn't going nowhere. At the time, I thought I was 10 foot tall and bulletproof anyway because you know, I was 15 years old

and almost 6 foot tall and weighed over 200 pounds and I was hard lifting and stuff. So I'm a big strong kid. I ain't scared of nothing or nobody, you know, well I'm siding in right on its head and throat I quit really paying attention much to its chest and it seemed like an eternity man it looked at each other well I decided I'd holler out to it because it looked it looked like it could have been a person but you know it wasn't but I said to it

you know, you better say something or I'm going to shoot. You better talk, you know. And it just kind of leaned back a little bit and it brought its arms up. It kind of palms out towards me. And when it did, its mouth opened up real wide. I got pretty big hands and about the only way I can describe it is, I don't know if you've ever been noodling or nothing. But you get about a 25.

or 30 pound flat head, you can stick your hand in its mouth and have three or four inches of room on one side, you know. Well, how big that thing's mouth look? It looked like I could have stuck both hands in its mouth, you know, flat and touch corner to corner, you know. And it's opened its mouth up real big. And I could see inside its mouth and its mouth was all black and it's, you know. His tongue was black.

It had pretty big teeth as far as, like, eye teeth and stuff. And it had canines, but they wasn't big old giant canines. They was a little more pronounced than a person's canines would be, but they was in there. And its eyes was sunk back in its head pretty far and looked like 50-cent pieces, you know, as far as size. I could see a little bit of the white in the corners. And they was real dark, dark brown, just almost black. I wouldn't call them black because it didn't look like they was hollow. I could see a pupil inside the eyeball.

But they was real, real, real dark brown. Well, once it got its mouth opened up pretty far, it just kind of like closed its hands up and let out this roar and a growl. And the growl part sounded like, you know, them lines on TV when they're setting over something eating and they go to growling at one another real deep and guttural and kind of like a big click. That's kind of what it sounded like at first and it turned into this roar that just felt like it was shaking your insides out. Well, before it could get that roar plum out,

I had the crossairs, like, right under its chin in its throat. I just squeezed one off in it, and it hit it right in the throat, and I know it hit it in the throat because when the bullet hit it up and, like, slapped itself in the neck and then run back up behind that sycamore tree. And you could hear it kind of like. like coughing back there, you know. Like it swallowed something and got hung up. Like when you get a drink and, you know, it feels like it goes down the wrong hole.

Right, yeah. It was timely hacking the coffin back there. And while I was sitting there, I went ahead and I bent over kind of sideways and wrecked down and squatted and grab that cell phone. and Michelle, who's my stepmom, she was just a going off. You know, what was that? What's going on and all this? Because she heard it roar.

She heard it haul her out down there. And she heard me shoot because it's kind of like a little valley from my house to that creek. You could almost see the creek if it wasn't for the hill you could. But she heard the echo of that 22 from the creek because she was still outside.

and I told her, you know, that I'd shot it. She said, what? I said it. I shot it. Missing that. Well, then it had quick coughing, and I seemed to tan come up on the side of that tree, which would be my left, on the left side of that tree, for me, you know, on it, it would have been its right. but when its hand come up, I shouldered the gun again, and I put the crosshairs,

and it had five fingers or four fingers in the thumb. You kind of broke up there. You said it had five fingers? Well, it had four fingers in a thumb, you know, a hand pretty much like one of ours, but it was about the size of a damn frying pan. And it put its hand up on the side of that tree, When it did, I just put the crosshairs in the center of its hand and squeezed off another one. Well, it hit it in the hand, and it jerked the tan back, and then took off running from my left to the right.

And it was screaming and squawking as it was going, you know. And then it got real quiet over there, so while I was thinking about it, I went ahead and I put a new clip because they carried two clips for that 22. I put a new clip in that 22. And I told Michelle, I was coming to the house. I said, I'm coming to the house. Call bad. Tell him to come home.

I'm coming to the house. And she said, what's going on? And, you know, what, what, she was still questioning me. I said, I shot the thing. Sorry for my language. That's right. I'm coming home. I'm coming home right now.

She's like, okay, okay, well, as I was walking up the creek to get back to the trail where you could go back to the house, I just caught movement out of the corner of my right eye out there across that creek. There was the, it was up in a bunch of, like, sapling oak trees. That'd be about four or five inches around, you know. and it was up in them trees, and boy, it started screaming and shaking them trees around, and then it started busting the tops out of some of them, like just bowing them over until it break. After it got, I don't know, I heard five or six of them trees pop, whenever it was doing it,

and I stopped, and I was looking back over where it was going on, and it was probably about 50 yards from the kind of caddy corner across that, creek where it was messing with them, you know. And then I could see it over the top of some of them trees it was busting off. And it was just standing there and it had a hold of another little sappling and its right hand. And it was kind of shaking it and screaming. And I don't know how to describe it. It was like nothing you ever heard.

I've heard big cats squalling and stuff, and it put one of them to shame whenever it screamed, you know. Well, I dropped the phone, throwed the gun back up on my shoulder and got centered up on its chest. And this time I started squeezing shots off at it three times that time. And when it hit it, You know, you could hear it because if you shoot something like, say, you take a board or anything that's got any mass to it and you shoot it with a 22 out there little ways, you can hear the bullet hit whatever you're shooting.

Well, it just stood there and took three of them right in the chest like it was, like I was shooting it with a dang BB gun. And then I squeezed off another one, and I guess that one hit the 10.000. their spot or something. Because when that one hit, that sucker turned around and took off. And this time, it was screaming so loud, you know, just make you think your ears was going to pop. And it just started running straight away from me. And there's a fence on the edge of a hay meadow where across that creek

that you could see through the trees of five-wire, bob-wire fence that was on the edge of this big hay meadow that was about 100 yards, 150 yards to that fence from the edge of the creek there. And it seemed like it took it maybe five or six seconds to hit that fence. And it didn't jump it. It run right through it. I mean, right through it. Like it wasn't even there.

It hit that fence and never slowed down. You could see the post jiggling around going down the fence. because it broke the wires when it hit it, you know. And I watched it, kept my gun on it until it was just almost on the other side of that hay meta, which that haymeta is probably close to 300 yards from side to side. It's a big old haymatter. About the time it was getting to that other tree line, I read it back down and grabbed that cell phone real fast and then stuck my gun back up.

and I seen it disappear in the trees and then I felt like, you know, I could go ahead and go home because it wasn't right there close no more. So Michelle was still on the phone and she was still, you know, what is that and all this good stuff? I was like, I don't know, you know,

I shot it and it run off. Call dad. Well, then I just put the phone in the pocket. His old flip phone, and I just shut it. put it in my pocket and I took off running. And I run all the way to the house, right out here in front of the house, driveway.

And when I got to the driveway, it stopped. The phone was ringing in my pocket, so I went ahead and picked it up, you know, answered it. And it was my dad. He was a little excited, a little jumped up, you know. And he was a pretty heavy cusser. you know he's what the fiff is going on and did you fiff and shoot somebody and all this and when i heard dad's voice it just broke me down you know because i'd started calming down and

i kind of realized the heft of the situation and i just hit my knees you know it felt like i couldn't even stand up no more i just fell to my knees out there and died away And I kind of recounted it back to my dad. He said, you sure, that wasn't a person. I said, Dad, if as a person, they'd have said something when I shot him. You know, a person ain't just going to stand there and scream at you if you're shooting. He, uh, I said, you need to come home, you know. He said, well, I'm on my way.

I'm in McAllister. I'll be there in about 30 minutes. I said, okay. So I hung up the phone. And then my stepmom, she was coming out of the yard fence out there where I was at. And she had my dad, old 4570. Because dad had kind of told her, you know, because she hadn't heard them hollering and stuff much. Her and dad hadn't been together but about a year by then.

And she'd only heard them a couple of times. he'd kind of told her about them stealing dog food out of the garage and stuff whenever I was a kid because he'd leave the garage door open sometimes about halfway to kind of air out the garage because it ain't got no ventilation in it and when he'd leave that door open something would come up and take the whole sack of dog food

and I don't mean like a little old 20-pound puppy dog dog food sack I mean a 50-pound sack something to take a whole damn sack and we'd find the empty sack down there along that creek. But he kind of told her about that. So he told her to get that 4570 and load it up and meet me outside whenever she was on the phone with him. Because there's a story that's on your website and it's called The Seeds of Holdnobie. Yeah. My dad worked with that guy that owned that place.

And he had told my dad about it because they kind of criss-crossed Bigfoot stories, you know, while they was at work. My dad was just recounting what that guy told him about him getting aggressive and attacking the house and all that. So he told her to go out there with that big gun And meet me out there I guess in case the dang thing was falling me home You know She met me outside And I got the gumption up, you know

To get up And go in the house And I just left that 22 lane out there By the bar ditch where I hit my knees out there And I just dropped it And I just left it laying out there We come to the house And about 30 minutes later

Dad showed up I was telling him what happened and, you know, I was emotional and crying and stuff because after I thought about it, you know, I was scared. I was more scared than anything. Well, he convinced me what needed to take that 4570 and he had a damn elephant gun, a 458 that was left to him by his granddad. And he had, you know, a couple boxes of the shells for it.

He said, when you take that elephant gun, that 45-70, and we can go back down there and look around to make sure you didn't shoot somebody. That wasn't a person. Ain't nothing in this world to ever convince me that I shot a human being down there on that creek. He said, well, you know, all right, we'll go down there. I want to see where this happened. you know, he thought I might have been lying about it. So we go down there and we're getting a little boat.

We had a little aluminum flat-bottom boat down there. We kept right down there on the edge of the creek tied to a post so it wasn't float off when the creek come up. Because during deer season, you know, sometimes you'll shoot it there and it'll cross that creek. Well, if you shoot something, you've got to go find it. You got to go get it. You know, so we got in the boat and crossed the creek.

From where we stopped the boat on the other side of the creek and got out on the bank, Dad could see the tops of the little oak trees I was talking about, broke off about six and a half or seven foot off the ground. They just broke over, you know. They'd been bent until they snapped. It was all just hanging on the side of the tree and stuff. And he said, what tree did you see it behind the first time, you know? So I told him it was the big sycamore right out in front of our little fishing spot.

And he said, all right, we'll go over there. Well, it's like a little dip in the ground. Kind of like a natural ditch that runs right there next to that sycamore. well, that thing was standing in that ditch. And there's like a briar patch with honeysuckles growing up out of it right there on the heads of the creek right there that come up about three or four feet. Well, it was standing right on the other side of them honeysuckles and them briars in that ditch when I shot it the first time. And I could see from, I'm guessing, you know, about five or six inches above its bellybug. up when I shot it

the first time I could see that much of it poking up above them briars and them honeysuckles so that put it at least you know seven and a half foot tall right there

and when me and dad was standing down in that ditch we could just barely see over those honeysuckles over there to that chair I was sitting in on the other side the creek. He said, how high was it? I said, higher than I can reach, you know, at least I said, you know, and I told him how much of I could see sticking up over them honeysuckles and then

briers. Well, then he walked over there behind that tree. I didn't want to get no more than 10 foot close to that tree, you know, that I scared something to pop back out from around it. and they wasn't a whole lot of blood over there behind the tree, but they was blood on the leaves and stuff, and they was blood there on the tree, because you could see where the bullet had went through that thing's hand and hit that tree and spurred the bark up, and there was a little bit of blood and hair

and a little bit of meat on the side of that tree. you can kind of see through the little bit of brush the trail it took through that little bit of brush and briars and stuff whenever it took off of running from the tree. You know, when something goes through briars or anything that's up over, you know, ankle tall, it'll make like a push mark. It'll bend stuff back the way it's going and leave a trail. Well, dad was standing there looking down that trail after about 20 or 30 yards of them briars and stuff. It opens back up into more open ground and just leaf litter and branches and stuff that's falling out all them trees on the ground there. And you could pretty much see a straight shot from there to that bunch of little oak trees where it was snapping them off and stuff. and he took off down that same trail that it went down,

and I followed it. And I had shot at it a couple times while it was running toward them oak trees, and I'm sure I hit it when it was running, because you could hear that smack, you know. He seen a few more little drop blood here and there, and he said, I said, well, you damn sure something. I said, no kidding.

You know, and he walked over there, and we got over in them little oak trees, and he was looking at the tops of them. My dad wasn't a real big guy. He was only about 5'9, weighed 160 or 70 pounds, you know. He wasn't real big. So he could just reach with his arm full. extended he could reach up there where them oak trees was broke and he wretched up there and grabbed a couple of them was kind of twisting them on the

bark so they're still hanging by the outer edges of the bark you know he kind of twisted them you could see blood up there where that thing was grabbing them with its right hand and breaking them off that was a little bit of blood up there well he said okay it ran through it a fence on so-and-so's land over there. I said, yeah, it ran right through it. I said, it didn't ever stop. It hit that fence and went through it like it was a ribbon, you know,

just popped them wires and kept going. So we walked over that fence, and there was four or five-inch limbs where that thing had stepped on them and broke them that had fallen out of the trees on the ground. on the ground it was pretty much a B-line that we walked you could see where it

step on limbs and break them as it was running and we walked over that fence and it broke the top three wires when it went through there so from you know about

18 or 20 inches off the ground up for that fence was broke and he got out there and grabbed the hold of the wires and pulled them up there and looking at them. You could see hair, blood and stuff on the barbs where it hit them barbs and it pulled across them as it went through the fence, you know. He went on across that haymeta because he just kind of asked me where it hit the tree line on the other side and I told him, you know, because there was an old hay ring,

old hay ring over there which a hay ring is just a metal ring built to put over a round of the hay you know to keep cows from getting up on the hay and walking on it and bedding down on it once they heat it down some you know

there was an old metal hay ring over underneath some tree limbs and it went just to the left I mean almost touching it when it hit them trees it went just to the left side of that hay ring and I'd told him and he went on heading across that hay field he's like you coming i said no i ain't going over there

i said i don't know where it went over i ain't going over he said now son you you got a damn elephant gun come on i said no i don't care if i got a station bazooka i ain't going over there but i wouldn't i wouldn't go across that hayfield but he did he traipsed over and he said they was, you know, limbs, seven and eight foot off the ground right there as you get close to that other fence, that was broke off from up there high off the trees. He said it looked like something had just grabbed them and ripped them off the trees over there, up in the trees a little way. So I think it went up in there and stopped before it got to that other fence and turned around and, you know, started throwing itself another little fit. Once it got over in the mother trees. But it had been, the last time I remember looking at that cell phone before I'd heard it hooping and hollering and before I'd shot it and all that, the last time I remember looking at that cell phone to see what time it was, it was about 7.30, I want to say, about 7.30.

I know it hadn't hit 8 o'clock yet. It's sometime around 7.30 in the morning whenever I'd shot it, and it was. About 4 o'clock in the afternoon when me and dad went back over, you know. So it had plenty of time to move on all. To leave, yeah. I was going to ask if you ever caught up with it. No, he didn't try to trail it no further than that other fence line. And he didn't find no more bud over there or nothing,

but he found them tree limbs of where they'd been broke off, you know. Yeah, it's an amazing account. I wanted to ask you, could you describe for the audience, what you actually saw. Before you fired that first shot, can you describe the face and everything that you saw? It had kind of a round,

round shaped head. It wasn't say as round as a person's or as like a chimpanzee. It'd be kind of more like a blend of like a gorilla's head and a champ. it kind of had a conish-shaped head, but not like it, really. It didn't come up to a big old hump on its head or nothing, you know. Kind of elongated a little bit, and its face didn't have a whole lot of hair on it.

And it had real little ears. Its ears looked, you know, half the size of a normal person's ears. They were real close to it. head. Its forehead was real scrunched up looking, like it had a bunch of big wrinkles in its forehead. It had a pronounced brow ridge, but it didn't, like, stick an inch off its head or nothing, you know, it was pronounced, but it wasn't so pronounced.

I would tell you was, you know, caveman looking or something like they see in a museum and the black sculptures, and they make a caveman's eyebrows look like a stick a half inch off its face, you know? Right, yeah. It didn't really look like that, but it had a slope to its forehead all the way up to the top of its head, kind of like a gorilla, but it didn't go as high as a gorilla.

It had them big wrinkles on its forehead, and its skin, And if you look at a person's face, you know, you can see the way the skin on your face has the wrinkles and stuff. Its skin had wrinkles kind of running both ways. They run horizontal and vertical. And its nose, its nose was stuck out a little bit, not much. but it looked like you took the end of it and just pulled it down and attached it to its upper lip

and it was real flared out. It looked like it was three and a half or four inches wide across there, you know. It had real sunken eyes, like from the eyeball to the bridge of its nose, you know, it looked like it could have been a good half an inch down in there, you know, where an inch

to its size and the thighs was, you know, about as big as a 50-cent piece back in there. And its lips was fairly flat. Didn't like stick out like a gorilla's. You know, their face kind of bubbles out

under the nose for a chimp. This was pretty flat under its nose and real wide, wide, wide, wide mouth. Like, I'd say its mouth was probably six or seven inches from corner to corner. It looked like to me, you know. You can tell it had a chin, but it almost looked like its neck and its chin met in the same spot. You know, it didn't stick out real far away from its neck.

And it was real broad across the chin, real heavy, heavy jawbone. And it kind of had a, I've heard people refer to it like a Down syndrome look. I know that that might offend people, but that's the best way I can describe it. But I don't know of no other way to describe it, you know. But it didn't look like it was slow in the head or nothing, you know. You could tell by looking at the eye. There was a thinking brain back in there, you know, because when I had the gun up, that looking at the eyes that it was looking at me with, it was like, okay,

this dude over here, you know, pointing a boom stick at me. Is he going to use it? or is he just pointing it at me? And I think the reason why it, like, growled and roared at me is because I screamed at it, you know. Right, you were yelling at it to talk if it was a human or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I told it, you know, you better say something. You better say something, you know, where I'm going to shoot.

If you don't say something, I'm going to shoot. And I find that interesting, though, and I don't mean cut you off, Gris, but I find that part interesting. did you, when you were looking at it, did it look, I realize it's not a human, you wouldn't have shot a human, but did it appear to be more human-like in the way it was looking at you and just its facial features? Or? I wouldn't say its facial features really registered as human. Its face, if it would have shut its eyes and just its face sitting there, I would have said, that's an animal. you know, that's an animal I've never seen before, like registered in your internal index as an animal, you know what is for sure. But its eyes, there was something in its eyes where you knew that it, it looked at you the same way you looked at it.

Like it was studying you the same way you studied it, you studied it, you know. There was something in its eyes that said it wasn't like other. animals, you know, there's more to it than other animals. Yeah, no, I understand what you mean. The other question I want to ask you is, you mentioned it putting its hands up, like palms out. Yeah. And when you say that, do you mean, like, when you see a person, you point again

in a person, they say, don't shoot me and they put their hands up. Was it that same type of motion? No. You know, a person, like if you watch a, say, cops on TV or something. If they draw their weapon on somebody and they put their hands out, you know, they don't just do it real slow.

They throw their hands out. This thing just picked its hands up like it was taking a deep breath as it was open in its mouth, almost like it was a challenge type thing, you know. Oh, I got to. You're going to point that gun at me. I'm going to show you just how big I am. It didn't really seem like it was scared. It seemed like maybe it was studying the fact that it's me and it getting a little scrap here.

He's showing me he's got a gun. Well, I'm going to show him that I'm just a big OSOB type of deal, you know. Yeah, and I think some of the listeners listening, they'll give you crap about shooting it. But I think if I was 15 and I ran into this saying it roared at me, I probably would have shot it too. And I think most people listening probably would have shot it. Because what's the next step? You wait for it to charge you and then you start popping off shots. So I don't blame me for shooting.

I would have shot the thing too, to be honest with you. That run through my head whenever it started roaring, but it started off as like a deep guttural growl. Then the roar come out and it never shut its mouth. like, you know, if you or I was to say something or to make a sound before you take and make another sound, you're going to close your lips and process the next sound out, you know. This thing didn't do that.

They didn't do that at all. The growl was coming out with its mouth open and then the roar followed right in behind it like it was all one sound. it is if it hadn't a roared and kind of it might have took a step toward me but to me I couldn't see its legs where it was standing where I shot it I could see from you know basically the bottom of its rib cage up and it looked like it leaned toward me whenever it started raising its hands and then that roar come out if it hadn't a roared and it had just turned around and took off walking I wouldn't have shot I don't have

shot. I watched it intently with that gun in my hand and made sure, you know, it was leaving me and I was going to leave it. But when it roared, it scared me. So I was like, okay, I'm going to be the first one to take a hit, you know, I'm going to be the first one to swing. That's the way I was raised when it comes to a situation like that. You don't let somebody get the upper hand on you before you get the upper hand on them, you know. If it's going to come to blows, you'd be the first one to hit. Oh, I agree. You can't ease into a street fight.

You're going to lose if you do, you know, and you didn't, you didn't ease into it. And I don't blame me one bit. Honestly, I know people aren't going to be happy with me saying it. I would have shot the thing, too. I honestly would have. I can tell you, you know, 100 different ways I would have handled the situation, but really there was only one outcome to it. You know, it's in the past.

It's what, it's done happened. I can't go back and, you know, pull that bullet back from the air and stick it back in that gun and just seen what happened, you know. Yeah, and I don't think that you should have to fill that way. You know, it's one of those situations to where it's always easier later. Hindsight's always 20-20, you know what I mean? But until you sit in the shoes of someone, this thing's really not that far away from you, starts roaring at you, it's got its arms up, it's leaning into you. obviously it's wanting to fight and you gave it a fight and it

it lost it I'd say it if I'd have stayed there on that creek I think it probably would have come back it might have circled back around me across that creek in a different place where I wouldn't have seen it or something because from where I was at

a hundred yards down the creek and either way was a big bend and it'd been back around you couldn't you couldn't see but about a 200 yard straight line down that creek if you were standing on the far end of it at the other bend, you know. I'm curious, what did your dad say? What did your dad tell you after that? He told me not to tell nobody. He said, don't talk nobody about it. He said, because the last thing we need is cops or something coming down here and trying to put it to like you probably shot somebody and then a bunch of mess getting started, you know, or didn't need gain,

game wardens and official type people coming and getting around down in here and snooping into something and making a giant ordeal of it. He pretty much just told me, you tell you know,

you talk to me about it, you talk to your mom about it, you talk to your sister, you talk to your grandpa, if you think he might believe you. Because even his daddy didn't, he's still around. And I've, I've tried to I had to talk to him about it a few times, and he's 74 years old, and he just looks at me like I've got two heads. I've been in the woods my whole life, and I ain't never seen a big foot or heard a big foot or seen a big foot sign.

That ain't real. That's his outlook on it, and that's a lot of other people's outluck on it. I've heard them. I've seen them. A shot one. I know it's there. I know they're there. They may not be there and gigantic.

numbers like other animals or something, but they're smart enough to know that people can cause problems for them, so they stay the heck away from us. They might get curious and come in and look around and peeping windows, and they have been known to be aggressive, but they're just like people, you know.

I got some kinfolk that's doing hard time in penituary because they lost their temper and killed somebody, you know, and that's just the way some things are. Even like dogs, you can take two puppies out of the same litter and raise them both the same way, and one of them might be one that bribed you someday for nothing, you know, just because it's got an attitude. Yeah, no, I understand what you mean. It's one of those things. Do you ever regret shooting it?

Do I regret it? No. I don't regret it because at the time I feel like. it was going to get to be a situation where me and it was going to get to be real close friends and one way or another, you know. Yeah, I tend to agree. I didn't know more on it trying to cross that creek and come to where I was at. And it probably wanted me to come over and cross that creek and come to where it was at.

I think it probably felt like I was making a challenge out of myself because I wasn't posturing to get away. I wasn't posturing like I was going to take off. I had a fight stance the same as it did. once I yelled at it. See, before I yelled at it, it was just standing there staring at me, like it was studying me,

like it was watching what I was going to do. If I had just let you over and grab that cell phone and took off, it probably wouldn't have never moved. But I was more worried about, you know, like the stories my dad told me about that guy over at home of him, them things trying to, pretty much trying to get him. You know, they would, they would try to trap him off in the woods and they'd throw rocks at his house and they'd follow him down his driveway and all kinds of stuff you know i was more worried about that somebody's following me home

pardon my language and maybe crossing that creek and doing something to me while i had my back turned as i was you know getting away so yeah i don't believe that fight or flight i ain't ever had no flight If it comes to fight or flight, I'm going to stand there, bullheaded as I am, and I'm going to take it on the chin, whether it be bad or good. Yeah, and like I said, that's what I was doing. Yeah, and I don't blame me one bit. I mean, I really don't blame you one bit. I think if I was in that position, I've already said it twice,

but I think I would have shot it. I really do. I think I would have shot it. You're in a fight position. You can't ease into a street fight. You better start swinging. You can't ease into it. You didn't. It did. And so I don't blame me one bit for shooting it. Now, did it ever come up to your dad's home? Did it ever come back? Did you have any?

That one, no, nothing to know of because no aggressive reactions was ever partaking on our end from it. I honestly think, you know, they're kind of like, I don't know what else, what all kind of critters do it besides wine. but you know like mail lines are born into a group you know the pride and once they reach a certain age they're kicked out they have to go find their own family you know they can't stay there that says nope you're mature you're getting a hell out of here i really think that's what it was and that's what a lot of the noises we was hearing you know the calls at night was probably younger ones that was looking for you know, a new home. They was moving through here and looking for a new area. And I think that's what it was because it was by itself. There wasn't no other ones. I didn't hear nothing else running off.

I didn't see nothing else running off. It was, it was alone. And it, it, I wouldn't say it looked emaciated, you know. It wasn't skin and bone. It was a heavy built dude. he was still sick, but like he looked like he had the mange to me. His hair was real thin on his upper torso and kind of patchy, and you could tell the skin like on its chest and up toward its neck

and around its collarbone area was irritated like it'd been scratching on it. You know, as it ran off before it hit that fence, you know, when it first took off running, I could see its back. its back and its buttocks and down the back of its legs and stuff was heavy-haired. It was thick, and it was, I wouldn't really, I don't know the color just to spit out, you know, that would match it. It was kind of a real deep, reddish brown. It wasn't really brown and it wasn't really red. It was kind of a mix, you know, on its back.

and the hair that was still visible on its front side around its chest and stomach area was kind of that same color, but it wasn't as dark because, you know, it was thinned out. Yeah, I'm curious about, I got to have you back, Gris. I really got to have you back. I feel like I'm, you know, there's so much I want to talk to you about. If you would, would you walk us into your most recent encounter that happened? I think two years ago, would you mind walking into that? Well, there was two right there in that kind of that same time period. There was the one, it was kind of a rainy day.

It was kind of spitting rain a little bit, a slow drizzle. And me and my wife and my brother-in-law had run into town to get like some hot box type of food, you know, something you get out of a gas station. We kind of get a hankering for them pizza pockets and stuff every once in a while, so we'll just run up here to the Choctaw store and grab some hot box food and some sodas and come back to the house. But that day, her younger brother, who was, I won't say he was about 18 at the time, was with us.

We went into town, got stuff at the Chalkawthaw store, and we was heading back home. Well, right here in the driveway after you pass our mailbox, we live at the end of a dead end lane. There's houses back toward the blacktop from us, about a quarter mile, and then there's the old folks' house up on the hill, you know, the people that called them things,

screechers and prowlers and stuff. There's that house there, but it's abandoned now because both from old folks has passed away since then. But we was, our mailboxes right at the end of their driveway. And right after you pass our mailbox, you can see, oh, down the driveway, it kind of keeps going to that core of engineers land. And off there to the left, there's a gate.

And there's a, what almost looks like an old pasture road or something that goes in between the cedar trees down there. You can see it, that opening from our mailbox. Well, me and her brother was looking for deer. And my wife's brother, we was looking around for deer as we was driving. The wife was driving. Well, me and Bam both call it something kind of moved real quick. And it was real dark looking.

It was a lot bigger than a cow, like height-wise. Move across that little opening down there at the end of the road there, that gate. We've seen something move across that opening. and I said to the wife, I said, do you see that? She said, what? I didn't see nothing. What are you talking about?

And I looked back there in the back seat because her younger brother was sitting in the back seat, in the middle of the back seat behind us. I said, did you see that? He said, that thing run across that, that opening down there in the tree? I said, yeah.

I said, yeah, I've seen it. I said, well, when we get to the house, I'm going to go down and get to deer rifle, we're going to go down there and look to see what that is, you know. Well, we come to the house, and I run back to the bedroom, grab my deer rifle out of the gun safe. I run back out there on the front porch, and I just,

sitting there on the front porch, and I was just scope in that area. Well, I seen it move up in them cedar trees, like it went from right behind one cedar tree. You could just barely see through them limbs, you know. And it's kind of cloudy. So it's real dark up. in the trees, but you can see that darkness moved back behind them trees from one tree to another. I said, there it is, bam.

I see it. He said, you do? Where is it? And I said, well, there's that big Cedar tree right there on the edge of that old road. He said, and there's a little bit smaller one just to the left of it. I said, it went back behind that other one. I can't see it now. And he said, you want to go down and look?

I said, yeah, let's go down there. So we got in a single fire-off. I was out in front of him, you know, and we kind of jogged down the road. Well, we got within about 60 or 70 yards from it, and that sucker took off, and it headed down that opening. It ran out of the backside of them cedars, and we've seen it kind of making the curve so that little road thing just stays open and kind of curve back to the left a little bit. We've seen it making the curve on the edge of the trees as it went,

to the left. So then we high stepped it down there, and there's an old gate tied up in the fence, and that bobbar fence. For a crossing, because that old fella that owns that place, he lets me go over there, just kind of walking around the edge of the creek and stuff,

and he lets me squirrel hunt on it and whatnot. So I didn't think twice about going over on his place, you know. Well, we hopped the fence and run down that opening. while there's a whole bunch of Bodark trees off down through there. A bunch of smaller ones, about eight or ten inches round, you know. And they're real thick. You can walk in there and stuff because the limbs are up, you know, six, seven foot off ground, but it's real dark up in there.

While we was running toward them boat arch following that little road, and you could just barely make something out two or three hundred yards way down through there in that dark the dark woods going down through the creek you can see it go down the creek bank you know but we got to the edges of the trees and I stopped

and bam pretty much run right into my back when I stopped he was right on my tail and he ran into me and he's like what are you doing I said dude I ain't going in there you can't see very good up in there dark in there

and where I'd stopped about four foot out in front of me right up in the tree line. You could see, and I wear a size 13 boot, pretty good size foot, but you can see like a skidded slide mark there, and an impression in that ground, because the ground was soft where it was raining, going down toward the creek, the ground gets softer and softer the closer you get to that creek, you know. And it was about 15, 200 yards from the creek from there. Well, you can see where something had stepped as it was going in between these trees

and kind of slid to the side a little bit and a real big impression in the ground there. And we eased up into the edge of the trees there and got looking at it. And you couldn't really make out the definition of toes and stuff, you know. But I just stuck my foot up there beside it, stepped my foot down there beside it. And that thing was almost twice as wide as my boot. It wasn't quite twice as ride. And it was longer than my boot by about four and a half, five inches there. And it was that thing was tracked where it run through there, you know.

And you could see cow tracks and stuff off in there, but that wasn't no cow track. It was, you know, it's a cow or a horse or anything like that. slides, it'll peel the grass up with its hoof as it slides, you know, make a skid mark. Well, this wasn't really a skid mark. You could just tell that the ground had give way

underneath something's weight kind of as it was turning. Like, if you take your foot and you twist your foot on the mud, you know, it'll kind of make a squish down impression and kind of twist with the edge of your foot, you know, and you

can tell that you stuck your foot down there and kind of twisted it as you was going. Well, that's kind of the way this was. You could see the dirt where the grass had been pulled away, kind of over on the left side of that track, and it kind of twisted back to the right. And that was back toward the hill. Like more of its weight was on the hill when it made that turn, you know.

Like people, most of the time, if a person is taking a step and turning, you're going to turn out there toward the end of your, your foot out toward your toes. Right. Yeah. When we take a step, our weight is shifted from the back of our foot to the front. You can tell that it was almost more like reversed on that thing. It was more like most of the weight whenever its foot come off the ground was on its heel when it turned, you know, which I guess for them might be a little.

little more stable, I don't know. Because, you know, their weights more straight lined in their leg from the knee down. Your weight is straight down to your heel more than it is straight down to your toe, you know. It was like it really turned more on its heel than its toes. And so you guys find the track, but is the creature gone at that point by the time you get up there? Yeah, by the time we had really started noticing that track, we'd seen it go down in the creek, like down the creek bank from our side. We seem more like its head and shoulders and kind of mid back dropped down the creek bank.

And then I don't know if it made a right or left because, you know, the creek bank's probably seven or eight feet high right there and got a real easy slope going down to the water. And so it was gone. It pretty much scattered at that point. Yeah, it had got down by the creek and either made it. the left or right because it didn't run straight across the creek because we didn't see it go up the bank on the other side. Because you could see across to the bank on the other side. We didn't see it go up the other side of that creek.

It could have made a right or a left. And if it was kind of hunkered over, we wouldn't have seen it no more, you know. And so do you guys leave? You said it was kind of a two-part encounter. Did you guys just leave at that point? Do you back off? Yeah, we sat there and kind of looked around that that tree. for a while, and it was more in the afternoon setting.

You know, this happened a little afternoon. So it was getting darker, and this was in the, I want to say, it was very first part of November, so it was kind of chilly. With the rain, it was really chilly, and it was darker during that time of day, you know. And with the overcast of the clouds and stuff, it was really dark off in the woods, I worked going off in them woods. And I just told them, I said, let's get back up here to the house. He's like, dude, we need to take pictures of that.

I was like, I ain't worried about taking no damn pictures of it. Let's get back to the house, you know. That thing knows we're chasing it. And we can't see it off in them dark woods. Let's go home. So we just eased her way back to the house. Both of us kind of watching our back as we was going. going and scanning the area up ahead of us, you know.

We come back to the house and no lady asked us, you know, what we'd seen and whatnot. I told her I thought it was a big foot. And I'd told her about seeing one whenever I was a kid and about shooting, benting down there on the creek. She kind of acted like she just kind of blew it off, you know, like I was just telling her stories. but because her brother was with me and he told her what he had seen which was pretty much

the same thing I'd seen going down through there you know looks like a great big dude running away from you wearing black head to toe with no break in it and I say black it could have been brown or red but with the lighting

and it being wet it looked black going away from you down there you know no breaks in color it was all one solid black mass, moving on two feet going down through there. And so what's the second portion of that? You said there was two encounters around the same time? Yeah, about two weeks after that, me and a good close friend of mine and one of my younger cousin had decided we were going to go down there on the creek because my friend, he was

kidless, you know, that weekend, his kid that went to us. stay with their grandparents and my son was gone to his moms that weekend and wayside of we's going to go down there in the woods and camp out overnight and tie one on, you know. We had some, some beer and a little bit of whiskey and my cousin. He wanted to go with us, so it was like, all right. So, and by this time I've made some four-wheeler trails from the house down to like a little camping area spot that I'd make down there. I drug up a big log with my four-wheeler.

I say big. It ain't real long. It's about nine or ten foot long, but it's probably 20 inches around, you know, from side to side. So it makes a pretty good setting spot. And I'd gather up some rocks and made me like a little fire ring down there.

I took the chainsaw down there and cut up some fallen trees, and I made me like a little stack of wood. down there for if we decided we won't go down there and camp out well my buddy he brought a big old tent with him and I had a I got a spare bedroom my house is a three-bedroom house and I got a full-sized bedroom bedroom set and and that extra room and we took and folded that mattress up and tied it with a rope so we you haul that mattress down there and we'd put it in that tent. We decided if we got good drunk,

we'd go in there and lay on that mattress and pass out in that tent. It was kind of a dreary, dreary day, kind of rainy, like, you know, spitting rain a little bit off and on, about 40 degrees outside. But we decided we're going to go down there and go camp out at night. Hang out down there on the creek. My wife and my buddy's wife, like, stay up here at the house. or go town, watch the movie, whatever they want to do.

We were going to have kind of like a guy's night out down on the creek bottom, you know. The women, they took off the town to go do something, whatever it was, they decided they wanted to do. And we gathered up her eyes chest, and he had his folder over here, and I had mine, and my cousin had his. We load everything on these four-wheelers,

and we'd take off down there. And we set up the tent. It's probably about 4.30 in the afternoon, you know, about November it gets dark about 5, 6 o'clock. You know, it's pretty dark outside by then. They're getting dusky dark, and we're setting up that tent. Well, we heard, well, it almost sounded like a tree break, but it wasn't, it's like a pop. Just a popping limb or something, you know. What you hear from time to time down there in the bottoms, there's a lot of old bed trees,

and sometimes the limb will just fall out of what. That's kind of what it sounded like, like a snappy pop and then a crash. I didn't think nothing of it. Well, we're all getting stuff set up and got the ice chest set out over by that log. We built just a little fire, and it was just far enough that the smoke wouldn't overtake you, you know, but you could feel the warmth off of it pretty good. And it started kind of clearing up. He started seeing, you know, stars up through the tree talks separating out, you know.

Fowls was separating out. You can see stars up there. I was like, heck yeah, you know, and he's going to get wet or nothing. It's going to turn out to be a pretty good time. Well, we'd forgot to take, like, we took some bread and cheese and some mustard and stuff down there in that ice chest. And we forgot to grab some. I had a couple packs of hot dog and a pack of bologna. a pair of ice box.

Well, we forgot it. And it was getting to be pretty dark. My buddy and my cousin was like, man, we're getting hungry. We've been down there about an hour by that time. We built the fire, got the tent up and all that. And we started drinking some beers and kind of pulling on that old whiskey bottle a little bit. I said, well, we're going to run up here at the house. And Trey, he was his cousin.

He said he had to go with the back. and he didn't want to bow up in the woods, you know. He said, I ain't a bear. I don't crap in the woods. I'm going to go to the bathroom. So they hopped on their forewlers and took off. He had it up here the house, grabbed that lunch, meat, and hot dogs, and tried we're going to go to the bathroom.

They'd been gone about 10 or 15 minutes. Well, I'd heard a whoop shortly after them four-wlers, got to where you could just barely hear them. Because you could still hear them, like I say, was rolling. You could hear them up here by the house if you was hitting on the gas on that folder, you know, you could hear that exhaust kind of popping down through the woods. I heard them.

They were getting up here to the house because they was letting off. You could hear them forward. Motor's winding down, you know. And you heard them stop. And then you couldn't hear them once they killed them. Well, about the time they got them fullers killed, I heard a whoop off on a neighbor in place. Got some big hay meadows and stuff. Back the other direction of where that one had ran that time.

So it had run north, and that whoop kind of come from the south. And I just, you know, knew down in my bones. I knew what that whoop was. I'd heard it all throughout my life growing up and stuff, you know. I'd heard them whoops and hollers. And I just kind of started talking myself. I was like, well, you know, there goes a. This is going to be an eventful night because I'd told my good buddy and my old cousin.

I'd told them them stories, you know. And they kind of laughed about it and kind of poked a little fun, which didn't bother me none. You know, I kind of expected it and just kind of shrugged it off. Like, you know, it was just a boogeyman story type deal, you know. Well, I said to myself, I said self. You know, they're going to get an experience night. You know, I just know it. Well, on their way back, you could, you know, you could hear them.

They were just easing that way. Well, about halfway down there, then folders opened up, like it was running hard, wide open. And they come flying up through the wood, you can see their headlights coming through the trees, you know, here and there. And they was running pretty quick. they come right up by the fire on them fourers. I mean, right up by the fire and stop. And they was both jabbered at the same time. We thought it was you, you know,

because I was wearing a black car heart coat, and I had on dark blue jeans pants. I said, we thought we've seen you out there by the gate coming into the woods. I said, no, you didn't see me. So I've been that year. My cousin, he said, well, we thought it was you.

He said, but it throwed a stick at us. He said, about the big of the baseball bat, it kind of threw a stick toward them four-waters and then run off. They said, and then we've seen it turn and run back up behind us, and it was kind of chasing us,

throwing sticks here and there, so we gunned it over here. My buddy, I don't want to say his name, you know, because he worked for the sheriff's department. Yeah, you don't have to. Yeah. He was collaborating that same story, you know.

I was like, well, y'all just sit down here and y'all calm yourselves down, you know. I was like, I don't think that was a person. And I explained to him, you know, that I thought it was Bigfoot. that they had seen and that it was probably just a little bit aggravated because they was on them folders making racket. So it was showing its small amount of aggravation. They just kind of sat there quiet like they was processing what I had told them, you know. Then you could hear something up the hill because we cut down in the creek bottom in about

100 yards, for about 100 yards it's flat. and then it kind of starts making a little incline up this hill. Or you could hear something large enough that it didn't sound like a deer. You know, when a deer walks in the woods, it it sounds, you know, you can hear

four feet going through there. Two feet's usually almost always moving at the same time, so it goes through the leaves. Well, because a little bit damp, you wouldn't hurt a deer, but this was kind of a smashing crunching sound. Like it'd step on some twigs and stuff,

and you could hear them pop. And it was smash crunch pop, smash crunch pop. It wasn't smash, mash, mash, mash, mash, mash. Like a whole lot of feet. It sounded like two feet, like a person walking on the side of that hill up there, and dark.

Because there wasn't no moon. It was during the part of the month when there ain't no moon, you know, pitch black outside. you can just hear it walking alongside that hill. They had both, you know, keyed in on that noise going up through there. Then you could hear something back along to our left, kind of moving in the woods a little bit, like it was two of them. I ain't never, I ain't never encountered, you know, two at the same time.

this could get pretty cool. And the firelight, you know, the light from the fire, you can see around us probably 50 or 60 feet real good, you know, all the way around you. And then it kind of tapered off into just darkness off in the woods, you know. Well, over right on the edge of the firelight, there's a real big log laying there, a big old oak tree that had fallen down probably 10 or 15 years,

like laying there on the ground. And it was a big old oak tree. Like if you walked up beside it, it's probably near hip high off the ground to the top of this oak tree laying on its side. You know, and all the limbs was all broke off of it when it fell and stuff because it was dead when it fell, you know. I got the bright idea because not only did they grab lunch meat, they grabbed my buddy. he's real big about eating apples and oranges and stuff like that. Well, he brought a little bag of oranges and a little bag of apples with him, and he got it out of his truck when they come up here to get the lunchmeet and stuff

and brought them down there. Well, I was like, I wonder, you know, just out of pure curiosity, if I set some of these out there on that log, but we're kind of toward that one end of it where it dark, what might happen, you know. So I grabbed two apples and two oranges and took them over there and set them just outside of the light where it was fairly bright on that log where it's still pretty dark. And just left them there. Well, we quit hearing any noises, you know, and we just got to talk and BS and about things that happened in high school and stuff, you know.

five or six years back and just events where me and my old buddy had backed off, you know, four or five guys at one time just the two of us because we're both rather large fellas. He's not real tall, but he's made like a rock. He's he's 250 pounds of solid dude, you know. He's a big ball of muscle of what he is. Yeah. And I'm right around six foot tall and weigh 300 pounds and not all of its table muscle, you know. Because I spent a lot of time in a weight room growing up because that was my passion back in high school.

I played football so I could go to weightlifting competitions and stuff. That was my thing. Right. and we backed off people and gotten fights and stuff and we was all just, you know, guy talking about the old times and stuff. And I had directly, Tyler looked over there at the end of that log and one of those oranges you could see real good. Well, he couldn't see that orange no more.

He's like, did I stop paying attention? And one of y'all go over and take them oranges and apples off that trip? he. Nope. They're still over, ain't he? He said, well, I can't say that one orange no more. So we all three got up and walked over there. Well, all them apples and oranges was gone.

I took two apples and two oranges over there. I was going. And they wasn't laying on the ground on the other side of the stump because we stepped over there and took a little old flashlight that we had. We just had one of them little old double-a-powered flashlights, you know, just for like looking around in a toolbox or something. or in the back of your truck if you're looking for something at night or, you know, just a little old four-inch long flashlight.

We were shining around. They wasn't no apples. They wasn't no oranges. They wasn't no orange peels like a possum or something that got up there and eat them or a coon and messed with them or something, you know. Wasn't that there. So Tyler was like, dude, that's pretty trippy. I was like, man, I know they're gone.

He's like, yeah. I wonder what happened if we leave some more. I was like, heck, I don't know. Let's get some of that bloating them hot dogs and put over here too. Well, we put everything kind of more in the light where you can see it all. With that fire there and got a couple extra logs on the fire so it'd be a little brighter. And you can see them pretty good. Well, we got to sit there BS again.

And we paid pretty close attention to it for probably 30 or 45 minutes and then kind of just quit watching it. good. Well, then I looked over there. It was all gone again. He couldn't see them apples and the oranges the bologna or nothing. We walked over there and looked around. There wasn't none of it there. We went back over and sat down and I was like, man, we, uh, well, it puts more of that over there. See if we can, and then just sit here real quiet and see if we see anything getting it. I was like, I don't know if it's a good idea to be giving them suckers food, you know. They might have a bad attitude if I start coming down in here hunting or something and they ain't bringing them food.

Because I hunt all through there, too. I don't go off up in the hills and deer hunt around a bunch of them other gober heads that go up there and run dogs and stuff, you know. I hunt right back here behind the house. Well, he's like, well, all right. Well, we got to sitting there, him hauling around and stuff. laughing about stuff. Well, air directly,

here comes as orange flying through the air and bouncing off the ground. Right up there next to that log. I mean, it rolled right up there to that log we're sitting on. And, O'Kray,

he about left his skin when that orange comes bouncing up through there. He was ready to go right now. And I mean some right now. He was ready to get out of there. I guess some things didn't like him oranges because me and Tyler kind of talked Trey down because he was getting

a little irate, you know, he's a little bit drunk and here this orange come out of nowhere, you know, flying up there with us. He decided he didn't like the idea of being down there no more. Well, we calmed him down after a couple of minutes and he sat back down on the kind of lean back to getting the front of his folder and set his butt up on the front rack a little bit.

He wasn't getting too far away from that fold. And he said, well, all right, you know, we'll stay down here a little bit longer. He's like, but I'm going home tonight. I ain't sleeping down here. You can forget that. I said, well, you know, all right, whatever. That's all right with me. Well, we sat there, I don't know, maybe another five or ten, 15 minutes that went by.

It's hard to keep track of time when you're just talking, you know. There come another orange. Well, this time they throwed it at tray, right at it. Like they knew it tripped him out, you know, whenever they throwed that other one. And it wasn't just in-flight direct at him, but you've seen it come out of the darkness about two or three feet off the ground. And just kind of start skipping off the ground like a ball and rolled right up there right in front of him, just went right in front of him. And that was it. He was gone.

He said, that's it, I'm done. And he hopped up on his full with her and fired her up. And when he fired it up, you could hear something in the woods kind of take off. You could hear it, crass, crash, crash, crash, back up the side of that hill. And he lit out of there. He went home. And then Tyler sat there for a minute. You could hear something moving around on the side of that hill again.

and this time it sounded like something bigger. It didn't sound as light and as fleeting, you know. It sounded heavier and more. And it was coming a little quicker than the other ones had been moving around. Just boom, bang, boom, bam. And we didn't have no guns with us down there. And Tyler, he looked at me and I looked at him. And I could tell in his eyes,

you know, that he wanted to go. And I'm sure he could tell in mine because we both kind of said it at the same time, you know, what do you think about going home, you know? Let's go back to the house. And we both kind of said that to take time. Want to go back to the house? I was like, yeah, let's go back to the house.

So we just grabbed our ice chest, set it up on the folder and throw the bungee cord across it. And then took him, went over there and kicked some dirt. back over on top of that fire until it went out. While we was kicking that dirt, we had that little flashback, you know, just kind of shining it around, just kicking that dirt up on that fire. Well, we got back on the four-wlers, and we come to the house, and we just stayed at the house the rest of the night.

Went back there. We went back down there that next morning. Then, old Tyler, because Tray went home. He didn't say by or nothing. When he got back here to the house, he loaded up his folder, and he went home, he left. He ain't, he ain't been back down there in the woods since. He's come to the house a few times.

I don't blame him. He's been back down there in the wood. I don't blame him. It tripped him out pretty good. But, uh, me and Tyler come back to the house and we just finished drinking what was left to that whiskey and beer and went to bed here at the house and got up that next day and went back down there to get the mattress and the tent. Well, when we'd left, we'd left the Zimki and we'd left the Zip.

zipper zipped up about halfway. So the top part of that tent door was open. When we got down there, the zipper was open all the way, and the tent door was flopped out. And the mattress had been pulled out of the tent and was laying out there on the ground. And you could see like smudge marks in the bottom of that tent. And smudge marks on the door were like a muddy hand or, wasn't really defined as a hand,

but you could tell it, it'd be like if you stuck your hand in mud and then retro pair and just rubbed it across the door, you know. But it was more than double the size of my hand, and I got pretty good size of hand, that muddy streak on that door.

And then the smudge marks on the floor of the tent was like each one, there was about five of them in there. Each one was bigger than my boot by five or six inches, you know, just the smudge march and more than twice the width of my boot inside that tent. And it was one of them big tents, you know, where you could, I could stand up and stretch my arms up in there

and just barely touch the roof of the tent with my fingertips, you know. you know, in the middle. It had about six foot high wall panels, and then it kind of domed upward into a dome-shaped top. Did you notice anything taken, anything removed? No, because we didn't leave nothing down there, except a smoldering fire covered with dirt in that tent and that mattress, because when we, when we was drinking beer,

we drink a beer because there gets to be enough trash down there in that creek bottom by itself because that creek runs right along the edge of town and people are always throwing trash in the creek and then when that creek floods up out of its banks you know we'll bring that trash up out of water

and leave it laying along the ground all around the creek you know so I try not to trash it up no more it already gets stressed. But while we was drinking beer, we'd take the new to beer cans and put them back in the ice chest. So we didn't leave no beer cans or nothing down there. I got to. The tent and the mattress and the tent had them muddy spots in it and smudges.

And the mattress was drugged out on the ground. Well, let me ask you this. I know we're running a little short on time. And I got to have you back, Chris. I got to have you back on the show. I mean, there's so many other things I want to ask you. I just don't want to turn into like a four-hour show and keep your time. As we close it out, I want to ask you, what do you think Sasquatch is?

I'm with you. I think that they can be shot and everything else, but I got different opinions on it. What do you think that they're? Oh, yeah, you know, there's people that think that it's some kind of interdimensional type being, you know, where it can go from one dimension to another. I don't think that at all. you know, if it, if it was going to disappear, if it was some kind of interdimensional creature, it would have, it would have said pop goes the weasel and got the hell out of there

whenever I shot that one with that 22. It wasn't a run over there and made another display because it was mad. I may as well been shooting a bull with a BB gun, you know, after the hindsight's 2020 whenever I shot that thing with that 22, but I hit it in tender enough spots that it didn't want to jack with me no more. But if it was an interdimensional being and you are causing it harm, wouldn't you think it would step into another dimension and get the hell out of there? You would think so, yeah.

I think it's just another living, breathing animal. It's just another form of a ape. I don't really think it's some kind of weird connection between man and monkey or something. I don't believe that. I know there's people out there that believe in the evolutionary thing, you know, that people come from monkeys, but I don't. I believe people was created by God, and God created all the animals on the earth.

And I believe they have a purpose, you know. They was made for a reason. What it is, I don't know. Like, I can't tell you. all the reasons, you know, that every animal that walks this earth was made for. It's got a purpose, and I think it's more like an ape than it is a person. It's just a lot smarter than your average monkey, you know. Yeah.

No, I hear you. Well, let me ask you this, Grizz. Would you come back to the show? I know you got more stories with your family, and I sure would love to have you back if you'd come back. Yeah, yeah, I'd come back. I mean, I've got lots of stories from other members of my family, from my dad, and then there's also members of my family on my mom's side that's had some experiences that I've talked to about, you know. But they're a little more reserved about what they'd call it.

They're, you know, they won't just say, yeah, I've seen a Bigfoot or a Sasquatch or the wild man. in the woods. You know, they'll just tell you, I've seen something that wasn't a man, and it dang sure wasn't a bear, you know, the type of deal. Yeah, I'll definitely, definitely have to have you back. And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share your encounters. I really, and it's very eye-opening, and a lot of what you talked about is very eye-opening. And I really appreciate it coming on and talking about it.

Oh, man, I was happy to. I've been wanting to talk to somebody, you know, for years that I thought would be worth talking to. My grandma had shared her story with the BFRO people, but pretty much all they wanted out of it was to say, you know, she had an encounter and they wanted to put it up on their website so they could put another marker on a map, you know. but I've listened to probably half to three quarters of your shows and I decided that I wanted to talk to you about it because you don't it's not like you try to put words in somebody's mouth you know you ask them a simple question like what did it look like to you know what from your perspective type of deal it ain't like well this is my point of view how about yours you know you just I just want to know the people you talk to's point of view and share a little bit of your own experience. And I thought you'd be the guy to talk to, you know. Well, I'm so glad you did. I really, it's very eye-opening, especially when you talk to witnesses.

And you get more information, especially when you talk to witnesses. And, you know, sometimes I don't ask questions the right way, but I try to and not try and make it sound like I got some sort of agenda, you know, where I'm trying to. Yeah. You got to really ask people, and unless you're willing to, you've got to ask a question. And if you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask questions, you know. There you go. Because a lot of times people don't tell you what you want to hear. But if it's the truth and it's what they're saying, then it's worth its weight to sit and listen to what someone has to say.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, I definitely didn't feel like you stepped on my toes at all. I didn't feel like I was, you know, being pushed or nothing. Just so you know, I think you handled it a lot better than most people. Like I've listened to some stuff and, you know, like I said, the people doing the interview want to interject their forethought on top of what somebody's trying to tell them and it just kind of makes it seem like

it's a projected story instead of really what the person had seen just for their self. you know. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. Well, thank you, Gris. Thanks for the kind words, and thank you so much for coming on. Oh, man, it's been a pleasure really had. I actually feel like I've let some weight off, you know, because I've carried it around with me all these years,

and I want to talk to somebody about it, you know, but it's just figuring out who's going to think you're nuts or who's going to look at you, you know, like you've got two heads and try to tell you're out right. line or something, you know, to me, that ain't, that ain't right to do somebody. If somebody's got something they want to say, you should, you know, let them say it. And I feel like that's what you do. And with the experiences that you've had and all the people you've talked to, and I felt like you'd be a good guy to tell because you, to me, you've got more experience with it

than most people, you know, most people that have had encountered or anything, because you, you've, you've sat there and took information from hundreds and hundreds and maybe thousands of people, you know. I feel like with that kind of knowledge that you got, then I could get, you know, some relief. Well, I'm honored. Thank you again, Grizz. Oh, man, no problem. I'd be glad to talk to you some more sometime. Absolutely. I definitely have to have you back. Thank you again. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email.

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