Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:458 M.K. Davis and the Tire Talker

Episode Date: August 5, 2018

Zach writes, "I'll go into my encounter in 2005. I lived in South Webster at the time and we were maybe five miles from the Wayne National Forest Trail Head. I graduated high school the year before and we would go up to the national forest and drive around the gravel roads up there. We called it the New road because it was built sometime in the 90s and allowed access throughout the forest. They set up primitive campsites and trails for 4wheelers and hunters. I deer and coon hunted it a lot as a young man and ran traps in the rivers running through the forest for muskrat and mink. Never in all my years out there have I encountered anything unusual beside a couple wild dog encounters and seeing a giant wild boar one morning. It was a last minute camping trip with friends one night that we all had an encounter. Me and some friends decided to camp out on the new road one Saturday evening. It was the end of September and the nights were becoming cold and chilly. We packed up my buddy Erics box van with beer and blankets then he followed me up the road behind my ford escort. We got to our campsite which was a dead end gravel road in Wayne National Forest. The locals use the circle turn around spot for target practice so there's always shotgun shells and broken beer bottles everywhere. We cleaned up the area then start a fire. It was dark when we started the fire and kept it roaring through most of the night. We backed the van close to the fire and sat in the back just hanging out and bull*****. The first weird thing we noticed was every once in a while we would hear a ding off the top of the van. The first few times we didn't pay much attention to it. I thought it was acorns falling or a bird dropping something from the trees over head. Well it kept happening so my buddy Eric climbs on top of the van and finds two gravel stones laying on the roof of his van. It was the same gravel from the gravel road we came in on. We laughed and though maybe it had popped out from under my tire and landed on the roof of his van because he did follow me a few miles through the forest on that gravel road. But it kept happened and as it got closer to midnight it was happening more often. Sometimes two rocks hitting at a time. We heard 4wheelers in the distance earlier that night and so my buddy starts yelling into the woods thinking it was someone messing with us. After Eric yelled and threw gravel back into the woods it seemed to stop. We finish our drinks (which was a 12 pack of Natty Light) then later down in the van to sleep for the night. I wanna say it was around 2am when we hit the hay. Anyway a couple hours later maybe around 4am I woke up to the sound of wood breaks and crashes in the forest. I woke Eric up and we sat there and listened to the woods cracking around our camping spot. If you ever seen the Blair Witch Project and remember the campers being woke up at night and the crashing in the woods around them. That's what it sounded like. It was coming from different directions and once we stepped out of the van we noticed the sounds were coming from down the hill around our spot. The camping spot sat at the top of a hill and it was a sharp incline down on both sides and completely forested. After standing out here and listening for 15 mins or so we heard a loud crash closer to us so I grabbed the spotlight and we started shining down the hill into the woods. I shined for a few mins before I saw two yellow eyes looking up towards us from a bush thicket. I couldn't make out the figure in the brush but thought it was something tall or something on a tree because the eyes looked like they were above the ground quite a bit. We watched it for a min then the eyes disappeared. I thought maybe it was a raccoon messing around. There is bear sightings there but it's very uncommon to cross one. We started shining on the other side of the hill and soon we heard a big crash again. Like wood logs being smashed into the brush. We ran back over and shined down. This time we got a better look at the creature and it had red eyes instead of yellow this time. It was a tall dark figure but is hard to size because we were looking down at it form the top of the hill. We lite that sucker up with the spotlight and there was a Sasquatch. I have no other way of describing it.. it was built like tank and stocky. Looked more like the patty Bigfoot with the cone head. It's fur looks black/gray and was matted in balls. The thing was Matty looking. Covered in dirt and mud. It's hair did hang down a bit like a orangutans but was matter up bad. We didn't smell anything tho.. that sucker was maybe 200 yards down a steep hill looking up at us. My Buddy Eric was freaking out and I was scared to death. I turned the light off and we packed up and was driving out of there in a matter of seconds lol. It didn't really do anything besides stare up at us. No growls or movement at all. It was standing there still before I turned the light off and headed towards the car. We still talk about this story sometimes when we hang out. Made both of us a believer for sure. Sorry for the long story. My mom had several night encounters around her house. She has heard the Ohio howl out there at night. Long whoops too. My late great aunt had an encounter when she was little out there. She saw something walk through the corn field and it was taller then the corn… Also wanna mention the encounter I had last fall the creature was tall and linky where the creature we saw in 2005 was huge." __________________________________________________________________________ I will also be welcoming M.K. Davis to the show. M.K. Davis has been researching the Patterson Sasquatch film for the last 20 years. He has traveled extensively and has amassed one of the largest collection of images from the film. M.K. has trekked the Bluff Creek drainage of Northern California on many occasions and his observations have led to several important discoveries on the film itself. While the Patterson film is only a very short piece of film, it continues to yield vital data that may one day lead to a more complete understanding what it is that is on the film and what it means to all of us.   Check out the Episode's page on the Sasquatch Chronicles website to view the videos M.K. mentions in the interview.

Black thing go from left to right and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out, maybe grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show planned for you tonight. Gosh, who do we have for the lineup? We have Zach, we have M.K. Davis, and Tony Merkel from the Confessionals will be stopping by. He wanted to come on and tell some story. So I told him he's welcome to come on. So look for them coming up. Zach has a fascinating encounter when he was out camping.

He came across one. And many, many years later, he actually saw another one cross a road. So he'll be talking about that. Then I'll have M.K. come on. And if you're in the Bigfoot World, you know who M.K. Davis is. He's a guy that always cleans up the audio and cleans up videos. And he's done a lot of cool work. So underneath this episode, I'll post some of his videos that he's done.

So you kind of get an idea of what we're talking about tonight. and I'll play some of that audio free tonight, some creepy stuff, actually. If you've had an encounter, then you'd like to be on the show. Shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member, get additional shows, got my blog up there. So if you get a free moment, please check it out. Let's jump into it tonight.

I want to welcome Zach to the show. Zach, thanks for coming on. Oh, no problem. I'm a big fan to show, and I'm glad to get to talk to you tonight. Yeah, I'm glad to have you on. I know your encounter took place back in 2005. It was in Ohio, wasn't it, Zach, where you had your encounter? Yeah, it's in a little town of South Webster.

It's right outside of Wayne National Forest, inside of County, Ohio. Okay. Sort of on the southern side of Ohio, near the Ohio River. Gotcha. Well, if you would, would you kind of start from the beginning, Tell us what you're out doing, and I know there's two encounters we want to get to, but kind of walk us into your first one, if you would. Okay.

Okay, no problem. Well, me and a few buddies are behind it. It was me and my buddy, Eric, my buddy Brandon. We had just got off work down there at Michelina's food processing plant. Anyway, we kind of hanging around and decided we wanted to go out to camp somewhere. Well, we've been out here to Wayne National Forest. It was probably five miles from my mom's house. And we met up over there.

Brandon said he'd be there a little bit later. So me and Eric, we drove out there about the Wayne National Forest. We drove probably three or four miles from the last county road in the Wayne National Forest and a little turnaround spot that we had actually camped a few times before. But anyway, we got to. there, and there's always lots of shotgun shells. There's always bullet casings where people would go up there and they'd shoot guns or shoot pipe bottles or broken glass.

So we ended up getting cleaned up, and Buddy Brandon never showed up that night. He was supposed to come up there and hang out with us and never did. But anyway, we got there. It was about dark before we started making our fire. We got set up. It was late in the evening by the time we got. got there, and we just got done working all day. But anyway, we started noticing my buddy, Eric, had a van with him.

We were actually going to lay out in the van and camp out there over the night. It's a big box van. He had a couple couches set up in a kind of a little hangout spot. This is a year after my graduation from high schools. We were still young man. But anyway, we started hearing dingin the top of his van. You know, at first I didn't think much of it. There's acorns falling.

and might have been a bird dropping something, I don't know. But anyway, we got the fire going. We were sitting around for a while. Well, we started noticing the dinging. It kept happening. And at first it was just here and there. But then all of a sudden it was like every five or ten minutes. We started hearing something banging off the top of his van.

And probably there a few minutes afterwards. there was two or three like pebbles hitting the top of his van so he jumps on top of his van he's looking up there and he finds some gravel and the road we came in on

Wayne National Forest was a gravel road most of the way kind of half gravel half dirt so we thought well heck man that might have been gravel popped up there on top of his van because he was following me through the woods through the gravel road

man we'd never seen Bigfoot before we'd never had experiences before. You know, we've camped out there probably five or six times before that, and I've camped out there since and never had anything happen. But anyway, we kind of shut it off. You know, we kind of ignore it. We had like a 12-pack of beer we drank between me and him. We sat around the fire for a little while. We did hear some four-wheelers out in the distance kind of running around. There's a lot of four-wheeler and trails, ATV trails out there, and people go back and fourth on. But anyway, it's about midnight, and I'd say we heard the four-wheelers,

probably about nine, nine or ten o'clock at night. That was about midnight, maybe later than that. I can't really exactly remember. But anyway, we decided to go to sleep. We kind of kicked out the fire a little bit, but we kind of let it burn, maybe have a little fire to roast of some hot dogs in the morning. Anyway, we lay down in the back of the van and kind of a conk out. I want to say about two hours later, we woke up, and I swear it's something, we best described it like something out of the Blair Witch Project, where the campers wake up, and there was all kinds of woods crashing, banging, crumbling around them. So we kind of stepped out. We were kind of listening for a while, and we kept hearing like something hitting the brush, like something grabbing a limb or something and like smashing it. and like smashing it into the brush. We just kept hearing like,

like someone was whacking it with a machete. Someone was whacking it with a big, a big log or something. Anyway, I got my spotlight out. We had a spotlight with us. We'd shine around in the woods. We started spotlighting where our camping spot was kind of up on a hill. And as you're going out Wayne National Forest,

it's all hills. It's all part of the Appalachian foot hills. So either going up a hill or down a hill. Our camping spot was right flat on top of the hill. We weren't far from an electrical line. They had electrical cables that run through Wayne National Forest, like electric lines. But anyway, they had electrical lines running through not far from where we were. I bow hunted that area before, and I parked in that same spot and walked down the hill to those power lines.

But anyway, we started shining the light, and first I noticed these little red, not red, but yellow eyes kind of looking up at us and they were kind of looking behind the brush big brush piles everywhere down there and like I said

it was the end of September there was still a lot of green left in the woods there was still a lot of brush I couldn't really make out what it was it kind of looked like it was high off the ground

but I've also I've been coon hunting trapping and hunting most of my life and I know raccoons they kind of got yellow they kind of got a yellow flare to their eyes

whenever he's shine the light so I kind of assumed anybody was a raccoon or something. It really didn't worry us too much. Well, we heard crashing on the other side of the hill. We went back over and investigated the other side. Didn't see nothing. Then we were looking around probably 10, 15 minutes, and it kind of quieted it down.

And all of a sudden, we heard this big crash, like, boom. Like, again, something like swinging a big log into a bunch of brush. And so we ran down to the other side. there was the same side I might add that I seen the yellow eyes. And I shined my spotlight down to the valley. And this is all still heavily wooded. There I seen him, I can't describe it anything other than Bigfoot, Sasquatch. I mean, it stood there, and it looked almost like the Patterson Sasquatch.

It was more thick, had thicker legs, a thicker body with kind of a cone-shaped head. Yeah, Zach, let me ask you real quick. Now you're seeing it. Now you have the spotlight on it and you're actually seeing it. Was it in the same area where you saw the yellow eyes? No, it wasn't. Well, it was close. It was probably 25 yards from that area.

It was kind of more out in the open than when I seen the yellow eyes. When I seen this thing at red eyes, so I don't know if it was the same thing that had the yellow eyes, that was another one or that was the same one. sometimes I've shined raccoons and stuff at night. It seems like on one end, like one angle, you'll see yellow, and you can almost move it to another angle and see a flare red. And I've seen that before in animals. So I don't know it might have been the same animal who might have been a raccoon. It might have been, you know, I don't know what it was.

But I know for sure the second thing I shine my flashlight on with my spotlight. I mean, it was a giant ape. It was black, grayish. It was kind of hard to tell. It was so dark. Moon wasn't out that night. And it was pitch black until you turn the spotlight on. And what else could I remember?

It kind of had an orangutan like hair, but it didn't look like an orangutan. It just had like the hair that was hanging off, like, its arms and like off its stomach, kind of off its side a little bit. There was also like big wadded. balls of like matted fur like places on him. It looked really dirty covered in mud, at least what I think is mud. I mean, it looked pretty grody. But anyway, well, we about crapped our pants. My buddy Eric was like, what is that? What is that? What is that? I was like,

let's go. I turned the flashlight off and we start packing up. We already had everything basically in his band. I kicked some dirt over the fire to come. to put that out a little bit. And we jumped in the car and we got the heck out of there. And we probably drove 55 miles an hour down that gravel road, sliding around the curves. And I remember the whole time we were packing up, we were closing the back door of the van. It's like, please, God, don't let that thing come up the hell out of us. You know, he never made a sound, never made a grunt.

I never heard any vocalizations. And I didn't actually see him moving too much. And like I said, when I sign that flashlight down there, he wasn't there 10 minutes ago. We had went on the other side of the hill. We were shining down. We heard that crash, and we came back. He was probably 15, 20 yards from where that yellow eyes was. And boom, there he was, man.

And I only got a few glimpse of him because he scared the crap out of me. Yeah, and I didn't mean to rudely cut you off earlier when you were describing it. describe for the audience to say someone who doesn't know, they don't know what Bigfoot is, they don't know what Sasquatch means when he say that to him. How would you describe to them what you saw and was there any details that you remember? Well, it was tall and it was hard to tell because I was looking up down, like up from a hill and he was sort of at the bottom of the hill and it was sort of a long, steep incline down the hill. I would say it was human-like, tall, didn't exactly look like a human, like a cross between a gorilla and a human,

except for the orangutan hair, kind of threw me off. I mean, it was a big horrible thing. I don't mean, it's the best way I could describe it. And he was just kind of... The red eyes shined in the light. And he was just looking up at you guys. He didn't make any move towards you guys. He didn't growl or shows teeth or anything.

He was just kind of a stare-off? I didn't see any teeth. Now, I noticed he did have sort of the flat. looking nose. And I really couldn't see any nostrils. But you kind of got to imagine. You're looking at a deer or you're looking at somebody through a spotlight. Parts of him shied up and parts of him behind him won't.

So the key features I saw was like his chest. Like that's where I mainly noticed. Like a lot of the matted balls of fur was around his chest. As it went down, he started noticing the long fur that was hanging off of him, him or her. I don't know what it was. I mean, I noticed in the Patterson film, it appears that Bigfoot has the breasts in that film, but I didn't notice anything, you know, like sticking out from its chest that would lead me to believe that it was a female Bigfoot. And did the expression change at all when you hit it with the light, or was it mainly just kind of a stone face looking at you? eyes kind of squinted a little bit, but they didn't close all the way like be it you would. Like, you'd almost close your eyes.

Someone's blowing the spotlight in your face. It's almost like it kept its eyes open, but you can see the glare, like the gleam out of his eyes. And it's kind of hard to tell if he had his eyes wide open or he had him squinting. Yeah, the red eyes kind of make it worse, doesn't it? I mean, I can't think of a worse color for something like this thing to have besides red eyes. You know what I mean? It's just your stereotypical, almost like horror film. Obviously, it's going to have red eyes. And you hear a lot of reports of them with the red eyes. Was the eyes shine from your spotlight, or was it giving off a glow? No, it wasn't glowing. It was completely pitch black. You turned the light off. Nothing was glowing. It neither was the yellow eyes.

It was the glare off my spotlight. Because the spotlight I was using as like, on like a thousand looms or something ridiculous like that. I mean, I could cross the field and see a deer at the end of the field. I mean, it's got a good brightness to. But no, the eyes didn't glow in the night. It was more of a gleam off the light, off the spotlight. Off the light, yeah. I want to ask you, what do you think was going on there? I mean, they do weird stuff like this,

where it's like they'll make noise over here, try and draw your attention over here. And I say like idiots, but I've been in the same position you were in, like idiots, like humans, we'll go and look over what's going on over here. So we'll get up and walk over to another direction. And they've done it to me, and like an idiot, I'll go in the direction of the sound. But what do you think was actually going on there when you heard the sound on the other side of the hill, then coming back?

You know what I mean? Well, at first it kind of felt aggressive. They obviously were making a lot of racket around us in each different direction. Now, I don't know if that was the same one. It was one making those different sounds. It seemed like it was coming from north, southeast, north, southeast, you know, and then all the action happened, what was on the east end of our camping spot. I thought they may have been traveling through. I think I've been thinking about this a lot since 2005, and I think if these creatures have been around for this long, then they're very nomadic, they're very secretive.

They don't stay in one spot for very long. They probably travel quite a bit. They probably travel long distances. I think maybe they were traveling through because, like I said, I've camped in that spot before, and I've camped in a sense, actually going out there trying to, you know, reenact what happened that night, trying to figure out if we were just seeing things or, you know, if we can reenact and get another big foot to follow us, to talk, you know, to give us some kind of communication or sign.

And it just never worked out. but I thought maybe they were traveling through a nomadic and just curious about us. It seemed aggressive, but like I've heard you say in your podcast before, if it wanted us, it would have got us. I mean, it was just me and my buddy out there. We were just sitting around the fire. I mean, if it wanted us dead, if it wanted to eat us, I'm sure it would have us. Yeah, I tend to agree. I tend to agree with you.

What was the conversation like? You guys are now speeding down the road. I would imagine sliding all over the place. maybe when things calm down, what was the conversation you and your friend had? Well, we got back to my house that night. I want to say this is probably 4 or 5 o'clock at the morning, probably only an hour or 2, maybe an hour a little bit longer than that until daylight. And we stayed up the rest of the morning.

I think we sat there at my mom's dining room table, and we just kind of stared off. Like, what the heck was that? What happened? and I remember like long period to silence. But it seemed like the next day, once we went to sleep, we went to sleep, he fell asleep on the couch. I went to my bedroom, went to sleep. But the next day, the days after, we've told this story to a few people.

Not a lot. People think you're crazy. You know, you tell them Bigfoot stories. You're seeing Bigfoot out in the woods. I mean, it's just, it's true, but a lot of people do think it's crazy. I've gotten ridiculed for it. just like my second encounter, you know, I went into work and I told him, hey, I think I've seen something crazy walking across the road this morning, like a Sasquatch. And, you know, they just thought I was done.

Yeah, well, let's talk about your second encounter. I agree with you, Zach, I think, as you and I were talking earlier, it's all fun in games until it happens to you. Then when it happens to you, Alson, it's not funny anymore. And that's a lot of people, you know, they joke, they smirk. you know, they give you the raised eyebrow. Well, it's all fun in games until it happens to you. And then when it happens to you, it's not so funny anymore. I don't know what the Sasquatch is doing.

It sounds like it was just kind of curious. You guys had the high ground. You never attacked the high ground. I think these things are smart enough to know that, even though, like you said earlier, they could come through and kill everyone. No one's going to stop it. And like I told you at the beginning, like all the gun shells,

like the shotgun shells, all the rifle bullets, all the broken glass. I mean, Bigfoot's traveling through there and know that people come out to that spot. They shoot the loud guns. They shoot the boomsticks, whatever they want to think they are. They know that guns are bad. I do believe that. And it just, they kind of threw me off too.

Like, why would he be curious about us? I mean, why wouldn't he think that we were armed? Because we could have been armed. I mean, we weren't armed that night, but we could have been armed. And I'm sure the Bigfoot knows where a gun is. I mean, what do you think about that? Yeah, I don't think that guns bother them as much as people think. I don't think you're going to scare them off with gunfire.

And I've talked to a lot of people who've had these things on their property, and they go out, they fire off shots. And what you'll find is 90% of the time, it doesn't scare off these things. They tend to stick around. So I think that, I don't know that guns really terrify these things. I think if you're in the woods, you come across one, you reach for a gun. You hear it time and time again with encounters. It's almost like they know what that gun does. and they start acting like Mike Woolsey's encounter.

I mean, Mike's sitting there in a tree stand, and he comes across two of them, and the moment he kind of points a gun at one of them, all of a sudden it starts freaking out. So I think that they know what those guns are. I don't know that they're so terrified of them, like most people think. You know, you fire off a gun in the woods, and any prey or even predator within a mile is going to head the opposite direction from where that gunshot goes off.

They are out of there. Oh, definitely. These things, on the other hand, I don't know that I feel that way. I don't know that they run so quick when someone fires off a gun. But tell me about your second encounter, if you would. You kind of alluded to it. Oh, yeah. Well, it's not as cheesy is the first one.

That first one made me a big foot believer. This second one was kind of reaffirmed it. Like I told you earlier, when I was talking to you on the phone. I'm a big hunter, trapper, fisherman. I've been in the woods everywhere. I mean, I've been all over the way National Forest, little Miami River. I've been around, like, we're real close to the East Fork area. I've been around East Fork quite a bit.

I know on the BFRO website, there's actually a few reports on East Fork Lake about Bigfoot's throwing boulders into the water, which I have a little comment I want to make about that. But to get to my encounter, I was driving to work. I worked downtown Cincinnati where to live out here in Claremont County, Brown County line. I'm out here in the farmland. There's nothing but I'm looking at my front porch now, and I see nothing but soybeans. Soybeans and barns, as far as the eye can see. And I was driving to work.

There's not a lot of woods. It's 4 o'clock in the morning. I drive past a golf course, which is probably 5 or 6 miles from my house. It's on my way home. Well, I'm driving down the road. I got my headlights on, and I got the brights on. It's 4 o'clock. I see something cross the house.

the road. It almost looked like, it just took one step, like sort of like a long leap into the center of the road and then leaped over the handrail into the creek on the other side. So he was coming from the golf course. So there was a golf course on the left side of the road. There's a tree line on the left side of the road that separates, gives the golf course privacy from the road. and he was in those tree lines and he stepped sort of the center line of the road which is a one lane road

you know kind of a two lane road there's actually not any lines in the middle of the road you kind of got to turn over a little bit when you got a big truck coming through ahead of you but anyway took one step

like it was almost like one two three he was right over the rail and into the creek and there's probably I don't know like a 10 or 15 foot drop there because it's kind of going through some rolling hills and that golf course is really hilly. So he was walking kind of sideways and the road was going up the hill. So he was walking sideways

from the left to the right into the creek from the golf course. And I didn't really get a real good view of him. He was probably at the edge of my headlights when I was driving through. But he didn't look anything like my first big foot I encountered. This thing was tall and long. And linky. And I can kind of see like, I don't know if he was wearing, it didn't seem like he had a lot of fur, like the first big foot. Like the first big foot I saw.

It had like the rangatang kind of hanging down fur. He had the mats on him. I mean, he was kind of a furry guy. He was a big broad, white-chested thing. But this thing was just tall and slender, like real skinny and linky looking. And just hopped right across the road. As far as I can see, he looked like

it was black, maybe grayish black, I'm not really sure, but it was a dark collar definitely. It was kind of hard to tell in the dark exactly what he looked like. I didn't get a good view of the face. I didn't get a good view of like really the front of him, more like the side of it, either it'd be a male or female. And was the first one, you said the second one was tall and skinny. What was the first one, was it built bigger than this one that you'd just seen? Yeah, like I mentioned, it was more like the Patterson big foot. I had like the big wide shoulders.

It kind of had a barrel chest. And then it came down and I kind of had thick wide legs. It was kind of hard to exactly see his body type between his fur. This thing was actually pretty furry except for like right on the face around the eyes and the nose. I didn't see as much fur. And I didn't notice a cone head on the second one. And I didn't really get to see its face too well.

But yeah, the first one I saw was a big stocky thing. This thing was like slender, linky looking, the best way I can describe it. I remember going to work, and that same morning, I told a coworker, I said, man, I see something strange on the way in, something crazy. He's like, what is it? And I'm like, well, I think I've seen a big foot. And he kind of laughed. Everybody laughed. You know, I told a couple guys there at work, I'm like, man, I think I've seen something crazy this morning.

I was just shocked by it. And I'm just driving to work like I do. every other day, Monday through Friday, you know, the thousand times I've driven to work, and it just bam, pops out of nowhere, run right out in front of me. And like I said, I haven't seen nothing since the 2005 incident. And then here at the 2017 incident. Yeah, it's fascinating. It's a lot of times when people see these things, you know, they have different descriptions.

Sometimes people will say they, you know, look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, just as huge, muscle-bound monster. And then other times you talk to people and they say, no, it was like I think you and I were talking earlier. You said it was more like a tall basketball player. And I hear that a lot more than you would think, you know, where a lot of times people run into these things. And they're not King Kong.

It's more of a tall basketball player, kind of lanky, kind of skinny, still big, still probably bigger than you are, but not quite the monster that some people respond. You know, when they'll say it was King. Kong. I saw King Kong coming at me. So it's fascinating when you hear about the different body types. And I realize this is more of like a 1-1-1-000, 2-1,000, 3-1,000 view of this thing. But it's still shocking nonetheless. You know what I mean? It still shocks you when you see it. I mean, yeah, like I said, I've lived out in the country my whole life. I've seen everything for deer, raccoons, coyotes, possums, skunks, you name it. I've seen it across the road.

I've never seen nothing like this cross the road. It just blew my mind and just remember them back being a believer from my 2005 experience. I know it's got me interested in. I know there's a few Bigfoot groups in my area. I hadn't tried to contact any of them. I hadn't tried to tell my story. I hadn't told the BFRO, even though there is some reports on the BFRO in my area, mainly the East Fork area, which is a large lake in this part of the woods.

I know you've been a hundred year old life. Did this affect you afterwards? I mean, do you still go out hunting or did you kind of put the kibosh on the whole thing? Well, I've been hunting and trapping for a long time, and I still go. Now, I definitely watched my back in the woods. Yeah, I'm not too... I mean, it scared the crap out of me, West, to be honest with you. I mean, that's something that you'll always remember.

And I'm sure you know that with your experiences. But I wasn't going to let it stop me. because the outdoors and the wildlife and the wilderness have been so much a big part of my life. I wasn't going to let it stop me for going in the woods, but you know I had my eye on my shoulder over my shoulder. Oh, yeah. You're on high alert, aren't you? When you go out there, you're like on high alert.

I'll be out there deer hunting, and I'll hear a squirrel coming. I know, no, it's a squirrel, but maybe not. You know, I've got to keep my eyes peeled, but, you know, I've hunted a lot and trapped a lot over the years, and never saw a thing. Never had a weird encounter. Nothing like that. It was just the one camping trip and then going to work one morning.

I had an encounter. Yeah, that's usually the way it happens. That's definitely the way it happens. And I know you've been looking into this for a long time. What do you think Sasquatch is? You hear me ask people that on the show all the time. And, Zach, you know there's no wrong answer. I mean, no one really knows anyway.

But what's your own opinion? I think it has to be, I mean, it depends on what your religious beliefs are, I guess, but I tend to be more, I believe in evolution, whether you believe that it's, you know, how God created or why God created. But anyway, I believe that we had a common ancestor with these things at one time. They've evolved their way. We've evolved our way. They've learned the world. They've learned the earth.

They've learned the wilderness. And we learned through industry and technology. and these creatures have survived this long, I'm sure, watching us kill each other for generations and generations, and they've probably shared the knowledge through generations and generations. They have to be a relative of human. If they're not paranormal, then they have to be a relative of human, just in my opinion, mind you,

a relative of human from early human that's still hiding and creeping around here to this day. You know, I think about that question 100,000 times since I've seen Bigfoot. Like, how in the world does something like that exist on this planet? But then you have the siding and you see it. And it's not just a guy in a monkey costume. It's not something that's just, that's not real. It's there right in front of you. Like, how do you explain a creature like that in our modern world?

They would have to be of a vast intelligence. I'm not saying, like, intelligence like we have. I don't know. They don't have Wi-Fi in a cave somewhere. But they have to be intelligence. They're just intelligent in different ways than we are, like, with the earth, more akin with the earth, the way the world works, the way plants grow. I don't.

That's just my opinion on it. Yeah. And I don't necessarily disagree with you. How did you come to that? What makes you think that they are an offspring of human? What makes you feel that way? because it was definitely some part human when I looked down at it. Look down at it.

I mean, it didn't look like a pure ape. I mean, I don't know of any other gorillas or ape that are capable of some of the things you hear from these Sasquot stories and what I've seen myself. And like I told you, I believe in evolution, man. I mean, I believe that we came from apes. We were monkeys. We were, you know, we were hates and lived in the forest, and we rose up, and we became humans. And I believe that, you know, there was other species of man, like the Neanderthal. They found another species.

They nicknamed the hobbits, the tiny species. But we found evidence of not just pro-magnum, our species of humans, but other species as well that lived and died. But who's to say that some of them didn't die? You know, I know some people say, well, they could have interbreed with us, and we could have came one race. That's possible. There is a lot of proof that Neanderthal is bred with us, that, you know, a lot of Europeans share in Neanderthal DNA. But there was obviously other creatures that evolved alongside of us that learned different ways that survived different ways than we did. And that's what the Bigfoot are.

I mean, that's just one of my opinion. Yeah. I don't know. I appreciate sharing it. You said before, like, sorry to interrupt you, but I don't have one in the garage. I'm not studying it. You know what I mean, I have no clue what these are. But that's just kind of one theory I had.

Yeah, no, and I appreciate sharing your theory. It's, yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I can, so you think they're kind of the in-between, because you know the argument with evolution, if we came from monkeys, where's the in-between? So you're kind of thinking they're the in-between. Well, they kind of branched off. I mean, they might not have. be in between anymore. They branched off from us, just like the chimpanzees did, just like Neanderthals did.

They had their own branch of their tree, and our branch obviously kept growing, growing, growing, and other branches merged into our branch that kept growing. So we had this offshoot of our species that obviously could be these wild men, these saskwashes, these big foots, and they kind of branched off on their own. I mean, they obviously developed quite an intelligence to be able to evade us for this long. We don't have a body. We don't have any solid evidence of the existence of Bigfoot. Now, the government might, you know, there might be a government in another country that has a frozen one somewhere, but we don't have any proof of these animals. So these animals are clever enough and intelligent enough to evade us and not just to evade our government and our soldiers,

but just everyday citizens, like people that walk the field, people like me that run my trap line down the creek, they go hunting in the fields, you know, people to go four-wheeling through the woods and way national force. I mean, it's a constant everyday struggle for them to hide from us, unless it's paranormal and they disappear. That's possible too. I don't know. don't you find it odd though we haven't been able to catch up with them let's say let's put the united states aside they're in china they're in russia they're in australia they're everywhere uh there's reports of them in every almost every continent don't you find that a little odd that no one's been able to catch up with these things like

no one has actually dragged one out of the forest and been like here you go here's what i ran into here's what i shot don't you think someone at this point would have done that by now I believe it has happened. I believe, like I know, you've gone over in some of your episodes before, talk about the government. You know, you always heard these stories of the men in black shut up at your house. Excuse me, babe. We've heard you saw a UFO. But anyway, I believe that could be entirely possible.

There could have been people that shot Bigfoot or have killed one, had one in their back of their truck. It all got covered up by the government. I mean, or no one's ever shot one. I don't know. Yeah, it's hard to say. I've been thinking about this in 2005. I mean, it just completely boggles my mind how these creatures seem to evade human detection. And how we over, what, since the Patterson film, the whole world's been talking about Sasquatch.

I know there was stories about it was highly popularized after the Patterson stuff went on. And it just seems like there's lots of Sasquatch hunters. And there's just today there's tons of saskwatch hunters. and there's just today, there's tons of Sasquatch hunting groups. I mean, you look on Facebook, you look on the YouTube. I mean, there are so many different groups across this country and across the world. Nobody has come up with solid evidence. What is going on?

Yeah, it makes you think, doesn't it? Makes you wonder a little bit. Oh, every day makes me wonder. It just boggles by mind that us as human beings, we went to the moon. You know, we've been in space. We've been to the bottom of the ocean. And we have an ape, a human hybrid, a creature, a monster that walks through American backyards and through the forests and through our state parks. You know how about Salt Fork State Park up here at Ohio?

And you look on the BFRO, there's probably 10 or more stories about Salt Fork. Salt Fork's a big park, but there's a lot of hikers there. There's a lot of kayakers, boaters, you know, beachgoons, can't. I mean, everything. All those people in the woods all the time. And we still don't have evidence of Bigfoot. Yeah, it's frustrating. But I know what I saw. Do you and your friends still talk about it, the one that, the 2005 incident and did it affect him in any way? Well, I've kind of lost contact with him. He kind of went downhill and he got strung out on drugs. And I kind of, you know, I have a family, a wife and kid. I kind of got away with hanging out with him. He wasn't, he's not the same person now like he was back then.

But, yeah, the other than a few years after that happened. Do you think the incident affected him being on drugs? Do you think that kind of caused him to fall off the deep end, the incident that you guys had? Or do you think it was something separate? I mean, it could have very well been, but he seemed like, well, that was 2005. He didn't get started. He started, didn't start, didn't start on the drug. too bad.

2008, 2009. That's really the last time I started hanging out with him, I think, was like 2008, 2009. And, you know, he held a dog for years, and he was doing real good. And I think he's actually reading him. He's off or something. But I'm friends with him on Facebook. He didn't ever see anything to him, though. We don't ever talk.

I kind of stay away from me a little bit. Yeah. I understand. I don't know. He gets a very well-bead contributing factor to his addiction. some people handle it differently man i've talked to like i've said on the show in the past i've talked to a lot of alcoholics off the air and uh i'll ask them do you think it's directly related to this and they'll say absolutely you know it's uh people cope with things in a different way you know

some people drink it away and it eventually comes out it eventually will rear its ugly head no matter how much you try and bury an encounter with these things it'll eventually come out whether it's drinking drugs uh you'll find some way to cope with it in a negative way. And I think that's why it's good to talk about it. You know, good to talk about what happened, what you saw, and not feel like someone's going to beat you up. You know what I mean?

You're the first one I've talked to in years. I didn't think I was a joke. I mean, I'm married and I tell my wife this story. She claims she believes me. But, you know, there's always that people, you don't know if anybody's really taking seriously when you're talking about this subject. But you're definitely seen like,

you're easy to talk to and you know your stuff. Well, I appreciate it, man. I appreciate, I'm honored you. Come on and talk about it. I think it's fascinating encounters. Thank God that first, I'm so thankful that first one. Didn't seem like he was really interested in you one way or another. If he's going to stand down there, you're going to shine a light on him.

He's going to just sit there and look up at you. It seems like he really wasn't looking for a fight. He wasn't looking for anything. He just kind of stumbled out into the open. and you guys were able to get a good look at him. And thank God for that. You know what I mean? Because that could have gone south pretty quick.

Oh, I know the whole time we were packing up, I was thinking to myself, please God, not let that thing come up the hill. And it's almost like, like you mentioned how I just stood there and stared at it. You ever seen a deer in a headlight? Yeah, of course. Yeah. What's what you do there in Washington.

And they freeze. They freeze and they stare at it. And you've got to honk your horn to get them out of the way. That might have been. what was happening, man. I might have signed that light down on him. He might have been walking up the hill, and he just stopped. He got blinded, and he stopped.

And I turned the light off, and we got the hell out. Yeah, you kind of broke up there. Yeah. No, I'm glad that it didn't go south on you, because sometimes they do. Sometimes you start shining lights on these things, and it pisses them off. And thank God he seemed like he was a cool customer. You know what I mean? Yeah.

All I imagine, it's done a lot worse. But Zach, I appreciate you coming on, brother. Thank you so much for sharing it. I had no problem, man. Yeah, thanks for hearing a real story. Hello, I'm M.K. Davis. I have a video that I'd like to show you. And this video was taken by a security-type camera

that was hung on the outside edge of a building. And the building was a type of a tractor shed. And this tractor shed in this area right here was frequently visited by an alleged, Sasquatch or Bigfoot. The scene is out across this field to a little patch of woods where they thought would be a likely place that this Sasquatch would appear. As it did occur, the Sasquatch came from the blind side

and actually entered into this shed, this tractor shed, and begins to make some vocals and audio that's picked up quite well by the camera I'm going to amplify it here so you can hear it better but let's listen to it and remember that in in this particular case these Bigfoot or Sasquatch have demonstrated to be excellent mimics as they actually you know it sounds that they heard people make they would they would sort of repeat them much the same way like a parrot would and sometimes over and over and over as they learned them. And if that's the case, you know, like I said,

this is something that's new, novel, and interesting. And listen to it, see what you think. If you think it's a Sasquatch, or it could be a Sasquatch. This is an area where they were alleged to inhabit and in a place where they were sort of concentrated by habituation attempts. So let's listen. Well, there you have it. This is occurring, like I said, inside of a tractor shed,

and it's the same shed that you see in the video tractor guy. And is this the same fellow you see in the video tractor guy? I don't know. Could be. The voice sure sounds big and deep. Is it a Sasquatch? There again, can't see it. But the audio is very interesting.

What do you think? Anyway, I thank you for your time. Well, next up on the show, I want to welcome M.K. Davis. And if you're part of the Bigfoot World, you know who M.K. is. He does great work on videos, and he always cleans up videos. Actually, M.K.'s posted some of the most amazing videos. I've ever seen when it comes to Sasquatch. And I'm glad to have you on.

MK., thanks for being here. I really appreciate it. Well, thanks for having me on, Wes. Glad to be here. Yeah, it's a huge honor for me to have you on. I want to kind of start out. You know, I've always wanted to ask you, I know we're just talking before we went on the air.

Before we get to some of these, you know, like the White Bigfoot, the pictures I posted up on the blog that you took and some of the other videos that you've done for the audience out there. M.K., what got you interested into Bigfoot? I know you've had encounters, too, as well, and would you mind talking about some of your encounters? Well, I just got interested in the Bigfoot phenomenon through the Patterson camp. I was into astro photography. I was taking space photos through my telescope, and it requires some specialized type of processing, and it was, back of those days it was in film. And I came across a couple of frames from the Patterson film

that had been treated much the same way as you would a space photograph. You know, they'd been filtered to remove chromatic aberration and the boost contrasts and things that you would do to a space photo. It caught my interest, and I could see that these were really high-quality frames. And you can't really get anything good out of a bad film. like so many people I'd seen the film in theaters and on TV, and it was shaking all over the place.

And you got kind of a good look, but it was still not steady. And so I thought to myself, well, there must be a better version of the film out there somewhere for these two frames to even exist. And I began an inquiry, and it led me down a path. know, it's like so many things do. One thing leads to another, and I thought that the field, if I got

near the master and I got enough good frames, that it would tell its own story. And I think that it has, it has. If you've seen some of my stuff there on my blog site, this is new processing that has really,

really benefited this film. It was developed for it to solve some of the problems that were technical problems that the film had, and it did so beautifully. You can see with a great deal of accuracy what those two men saw, and that makes a huge difference when you're trying to make a judgment, whether you're going to buy into something or not. And I hope this really gives the film a boost and sends it on its way,

took seconds. Yeah, and you do do do a lot of. work. You have cleaned up the, I have seen a lot of your work. And for the audience out there, check out the davis report. WordPress.com, which is M.K.'s site, and you can read his blog and check out some of the videos he's done. M.K., tell me about your first encounter, if you would, for the audience. What were you doing? And just kind of walk us into what happened, if you would. Well, I've had two encounters at Bluff Creek, one in Louisiana, and this is, this is, in addition to the white one there that I posted that's on your block.

The first time that I went to Bluff Creek, and I saw one. It was, we had walked in with a friend. I had walked in with a friend, and we had walked about a little over two miles up from the bridge. and upstream, and we were right there at the Patterson site, film site. And I had seen a rock stack. It was three rocks. One, two, three. The top of them was small, but the other two were quite large.

And I could see where the rocks had been pulled out of the creek bed, and it was so fresh that there was wet sand off. So I knew that whoever did that or whatever did it was still around close, they didn't have time to go. If we were going off film a little bit, It was, we were kind of pushed for time, and my friend was setting up his video camera. And all of a sudden off to my right, there was a whack, I guess what you call a tree knock. You can hear the reverb, you know, on the wood, the stick of wood, it was green because I could tell it was green because it had a ringing sound.

I couldn't see through the undergrowth that had grown up on the sandbar. And I just kind of got underneath it and looked, and I got glimpses of it walking along the hillside. And my friend says he thinks maybe he might have gotten the audio. He said he could hear some mumbling. I couldn't hear it because I spent a lot of time around heavy machinery, and I just don't hear that well anymore. But that was my first one. And as a matter of fact, I took that my phone.

of that rock stack, and I just jacked up the contrast on it, and you can see the lifelines and the palm of the hand across the top of that rock in that sand matrix. Yeah, that's interesting. Interesting. You hear about them doing rock stacks, and I've never seen, I guess, what people call rock stacks. I have seen structures, but you do hear of them doing that. That's very interesting. So it was kind of off in the distance and you were just getting glimpses of it leaving. Right, right.

It really wasn't that far, but it was a lot of stuff to look through, you know, the brush and everything, which is typical, you know, for Sasquot's encounters and for the video that people get it. The Patterson film is the exception rather than the roof being, you know, in the open like that. I tend to agree. And your second encounter, I want to hear about the one in Louisiana, but your second encounter was at the Patterson site, too, the same, different time? Yeah, yeah, it was in 2008. I went to the Patterson site three times that year. The first time we had seen a whole bunch of broken trees out there on the sandbar itself in a circle.

and these were, you know, three, four-inch trees that were snapped off. One of them had been so much pressure on the tree straight down that it split. And that was really fresh to, I think this was in August. And there were a lot of fires at the time, and we eventually had to leave because the fires came back in October. we went we went to the same place and i looked down in the water and there was what appeared to be a fetus it looked like a fetus to me it had these little limbs appendages on it on that long looking umbilical thing it was laying in the water we picked it up put it in a plastic bag but it eventually ruined you know because of the heat and uh and and and and and

My friend Don Monroe threw it away. We went up the mountain. When we talked about going up this mountain, it was like a 45-degree slope. You know, you could put your hands out and touch the ground in front of you. You know, we made our way on up. It took a while. It was a ravine off to our left. And Don Monroe had actually fallen into that ravine a couple of years earlier.

So, you know, we had to watch our sales real. close that didn't get to slide. So we made it up there and we came across these culverts, these pretty large culprits that were laying half buried down on the mountain side

and some of them had been bent around trees and stuff. They had fallen from up to top. And these must be, it must be the same culverts that the story says that the big foot

picked up culverts and threw them down the mountain. They must be those culprits. Because culverts are quite valuable, and I can't see anybody just chunk of them. They roll down, and some of them are quite long and just folded around trees and stuff. And my friend Don went in one of them. I got up the nerve to do that, but he went quite a ways up in that covert. So as we made our way on up to the top, we, well, I say the top, we didn't go to the top of the mountain,

but we found an old road that came down to Buff Creek, down to the creek itself. It was no longer usable all the way down. We stopped there and ate a bite, and I went to kind of circling around because I was interested in what was out there. And I kind of went through these little curtain of vegetation. And I was in this, it was like a little changri-la. I mean, it was just beautiful.

It was level flat, even though we were on that steep mountainside. It had ferns growing. It was, had a waterfall that came through. and it had a deer carcass in there, and the bones had been snapped and the marrow sucked out, and there were big tracks all around it. I call that the layer, and I didn't want me to get back there ever since.

It's a difficult climb to get up there, and I made a couple of attempts and weren't able to finish up. So I have not been back since that day in 2008. I have not made it back to that layer. What did... Let me ask you, MK. I apologize for cutting off. What did the fetus look like? Was it humanoid?

Is that... Well, it had little appendages on it. I'll send you a picture, if you want, that's... I took... Yeah, please do. I got film in, but still photos. Would it be okay if I post that up to the blog, M.K.? Yeah, sure, sure.

I just want to make sure. Yeah, that's fascinating. I try to document everything, you know, when I go to a place like that because it's such an effort to get there in the first place. You know, I make sure that I don't lead too much up to my memory. Yeah, I've always wanted to see that film site, and Bob's always telling me, oh, come on, we'll go. You know, we'll do it on a weekend. I'll take you up there, and I've always wanted to go and see it. Obviously, it looks nothing like what you see in the film today.

I mean, it looks like two different places because of overgrowth. The lay of the land looks the same. It's the growth. You kind of have to remember that in 1967, it was only three years after a 500-year flood had come through there in 64. And that had swept that whole creek basin out and cleaned it, strict it was it was a violent flood that it took a big chunk of the mountain out down there on highway 96 so they had to rebuild the bridge yeah it looks so it looks like that when you see it

in the film i mean it looks like a major flood came through and just wiped everything out when you if you look around patty everything looks like a disaster just came through there yeah a lot of flotsam and jets them they call it it it was just laying everywhere but that's what they The logging they were doing in there was not typical logging. It was to take that bad stuff out of there. You know, get that stream clear where it would flow good. Well, let me ask you. Let's get to the Louisiana one.

I don't mean to rush you, but let's get to the Louisiana one. And then I want to get down to business. I got a lot of questions for you on some of these videos. Stuff I've always wanted to ask you. And I appreciate your time, MK. Thank you for, again, thank you for coming on. I've been a huge fan of yours for a long time. I think you do cool work.

I think you, it's like you're able to polish turds. I don't know how else to put it. Like, you'll see a video that you had before, and then when you get in there and clean it up, it's some of the best films I've ever seen. Like the mirror, well, I'll get to that in a moment, where the lady was filming with the mirrors, and it looks like two guerrillas are wrestling in her yard. But before we get to that, tell us about the Louisiana encounter, if you would. Well, this occurred about the year 2000 or 2001.

I forgot what year it was, but it was rammed in. And it was, it was, I was out there with the GCBRO, they're a pro-kill group. I was keeping the fire warm. And I heard a shot. And then I heard the radio. The radio says, I got one. And that someone else.

says, well, shoot it again. He said, I don't have to. It's dead. It wasn't dead. It got away. And they wanted lights. So I was at the camp, so I go loaded lights in my truck. A couple of guys were with me.

They were in the back and had one up front with me. And I was going down this field road to bring them the lights. And it came across. it was the strangest looking thing. It came across right in front of the truck, not 15 yards in front of that trip, and running for its life. I mean, just wide open.

And it was down low. And I had, it was an odd-looking way to run. It kept bringing its back legs up way out of its head and then stretching and pulling. And it had an oval shape head, uh,

uh, really odd oval shaped head. Uh, long, the feet, back feet were long and thin at the hill. My mind,

you know, I said, there's no match found. It, it wasn't Patty. Uh, and it wasn't real large. It was about maybe a hundred pounds.

But, but, you know, it, it must have been associated with the shooting down there, because, it was running for its lives. And, you know, it was, all the shooting occurred down in a, in a bottom, the creek bottom.

And I was nowhere near there yet. I was still up in the hilly areas. But it must have ran out of there and came toward me, you know. I really don't know what to say or think about that. I don't know that it was big foot per se. And when you say that, what do you mean? You don't know that it was Bigfoot. It didn't look classically like Patty.

I gotcha. It looked more like, for lack of a better word, it looked like a giant rabbit. It didn't have long ears, but the way it ran, it ran like. Like a rat, you said, M.K.? Like a rabbit. It brought it. A rabbit. brought its back legs up and then it stretched way out and it was so smooth that it never it never did any up and down it just went zit across there and then about the last 10 feet before going into the wood line it it leaked i got you so it was on all it was basically on all fours is what you're saying and

right right it's staying below the level of the grass the grass was talking all. I would have never seen it at all if I weren't on a road, you know, that grass was beat down and across the road from the truck. Right in front of the headlights right on it. My first reaction to that one was that I looked over because my friend there was on the side, on sitting beside. I said, he was turned around talking to the people in the back. I said, did you see that? And as it turned out, he did turn around in time to see it.

into the woodline because I was really, really afraid that I was the only one that saw it. And, you know, that's a helpless feeling if you're the only one. And you don't have it recorded. You know, then you have a, you have a story that people may or may not believe, you know.

And so what happens next to those guys get out of there? The GCR or G CBRO guys, like Jim Lansdale and his team, I don't care what anyone says. Those guys got big brass balls of steel, man. They will go out there. I realize you see killing Bigfoot or whatever the name of the TV show is, and it seems like it's all, you know, theatrics.

But those guys do go out there and do that. I've talked to those guys off the air, and they got big brass balls of steel, man. They will go out there and it worries me doing something like that, M.K., and I don't know how you feel about this, but it always seems like there's a revenge streak in these creatures. You start popping off shots and all of a sudden they're going to make you pay. I can name off many incidents to where they do.

That very well could be true. You're dealing with the unknown, so you don't really know how it will turn out. You know, the big, I take back in those days especially, there was a lot less thought about maybe perhaps shooting one. and it was a number of people that were pro-kill. You know, John Green was pro-kill. Rover Pratch was pro-kill. You know, those were some of the icons of Bigfootry. They just generally thought that it was the right thing to do to get a discovery.

But it's fraught with peril, you know? Yeah, I understand you, ma'am. It seems like a simple answer, but there's a lot of problems you can run into with that simple answer. I get what you mean. Yeah, and then there's problems that are, some may be foreseen, others unforeseen. But, you know, ultimately, you know what science requires,

but I've come to realize that it's not truly science when it comes to Bigfoot that requires all this. It's science bogged into skepticism. Yeah, you're right. where they raised the bar to some incredibly high point, and if you cross that point, they raise it higher. You wonder, you know, I'm doing this to try to satisfy something that may not be satisfied. Whatever their reasons are for it, the skepticism seems to be a very inflamed

and intense skepticism that you can't over it. come. So the answers to what level of evidence would it take? It's hard to say. Yeah, it is hard. It is hard. And I think that, you know, the guy that ends up shooting one will become infamous. You know, the guy that killed Bigfoot's going to become infamous. And I don't know that I

necessarily want that job, but I think that it needs to be done. I tend to agree with Grover Kranz. I tend to agree with John Green. But you're right. At the end of the day, is that to be good enough. You know, you just took a life. Is it good enough? And it may not be good enough, you know, for a lot of people. Yeah, that's interesting about it being on all fours, kind of running like a rabbit. I don't know that I've heard that before. It's just a really odd thing to see. You know, I could not say that I had a match in my mind of any other animal except for the rabbit. That was only in the style that it ran. It's back just did not.

Bobble much. You know, it just, it shot through a lot of, there's submarines through that grass. So I'm, and that was a, you know, it was a hundred pounds, but it was probably a juvenile. I guess that that's what it was. But it, it could, if you let your own grow up, it might get by you, you know. Yeah, I hear you. Well, let me ask you this. I want you to think about, I'm going to ask you,

what you think Sasquatch is, but I'll give you a chance to kind of think about that. And I want to talk about the white Bigfoot. The pictures I put up earlier in the week from your website, I'm curious on how you got those, where did it come from, and what you think it is. And if people that check out the Davis Report.orgpress.com, it's MK.'s site, but I've posted them up on Sasquatch Chronicles, also put them underneath this episode. Tell us about this white bigfoot you captured. Well, this was a few years ago.

I had my grandchildren with me, and I decided they were wrestlers, and I decided to just ride. And so I put them in the Jeep, and I rode out to this Indian mound that I'd been intended to document, photograph. And I'm interested in Indian mounds for a lot of reasons. but this one in particular one had some stories attached to it about some strangeness and so I was parked there and I'm looking at a photo of it now I took some photos of it and I just kind of cut my camera off and was just sitting there and I looked off to my left and this really strange looking dog it was running and it was sloping like a hyena or giraffe.

You know, it had that loping gate with this long extended neck. And I cut my camera back on and it had stopped and I got a picture of it. And I'm enamored with this dog because I never seen one that looked like that. I mean, the correlation was familiar. You know, it was kind of a tawny color,

but the way it ran was just, you know, really bizarre. And it took off running back to the other way and I snapped another picture and then I shot some video. A little short piece of my camera would do both so I switched

it to video and everything was gone. Then I spent the day with my grandchildren and that night I looked at a couple of the pictures. I'm just looking at the dog. I mean that's what I knew was on them. And then

I you know they were on my camera for a while and the card filled up and I just saved the entire car to a hard drive and you just got kind of lost on the

in the terabytes, you know. And I was looking for another photo that I couldn't remember where it was and I just came across them. And I got to look at it and I saw this white thing

but I thought maybe well it maybe it's a you know a stump or something discolored or something. And then I saw it, it had moved. And see, I didn't move. All the pictures were taken from a steady place.

I was, whoa, there's movement there. And I zoomed in. And, oh, Lord, this looks familiar. It's a long story about that white picture. If you could see the other pictures I have of the mound, the mound is right beside a creek. And this creek winds up through the hills from the Delta, and it ends up really close to my house.

And about five years ago, you might remember the White Bigfoot from Texas? Is that the one where he shines a light in its face? Is that the one you're talking about? Well, that's the same place. But I have another one called White. run where a white one runs on all fours. Oh, I do remember that.

I do remember that. Those are not my videos, but I had been to the place and visited the place. And I came back and I had these files. And these files were really impressive audio files. They were taken off video that, you know, that was left running all night. And because they were dark, you know, the video really wasn't any use. but the audio was fantastic. And I was talking to a friend of mine in California.

I was saying, you know, you really need to listen to the audio. And he says, well, can you turn it up? Well, I turned it up. And I had I put it read through a home theater. I played it for him several times. And then I found out I sent it off to a guy in Phoenix. And he did an analysis of it. and he sent me an email back and he said,

okay, there's infrasound on this audio file. It drops below a certain decibel level. And I had heard skipping, but I thought it was just imperfections. But he said, no, no, it's actually dropping down low. And there's lots of it that are in the infrasound. I said, really, you know? well, it started a cascade of events that ended with me capturing some images on a game cam. Three I captured in a row.

It was messing, trying to mess with the camera. But I believe it's that same one. That's my belief. It did overexposed, but it was so reflective that the last. light off the camera bounced off a bit onto the building. So I knew that it had to be extraordinarily reflective. Either it was white or it was, it had a sheen or something.

When I found this, I kind of halfway, but you know, this is not a three and a half miles from there as the crow flies. From where you captured the... I figure, you know, it's the same one. You're talking about the same... The white one that was jumping around, you're talking about, you think it's the same one as that?

Is that what you mean? No, no. This is up at my house. Jumping around. No, it wasn't jumping around. It was messing with the camera. It started a five-year odyssey where I walk every day. I walk five miles every day and walk the same route.

And the next day or maybe the second day, or maybe the second. day. After I played that file, there were two shoaked pigs left on the side of the road. I had the back of their neck spit out. Their stomachs were torn open to the point where it ripped the hide down one leg, and the front legs would pull out of the sockets of one of them. And that kind of freaked me out, but the next day, they were gone, and in their place was a perfectly clean stole, just sitting right where the the shoaked pigs were. Interesting.

Yeah, that really freaked me out. And it began a series of animal mutilations that included dogs, possum, raccoons, and had rabbits with their heads torn off, all laid out in display. So, you know, you see why, you know, I think that this is probably the same one.

You know, there's some other things that occurred as well that didn't involve animals, strange things. But I never had any strange things at all prior to me playing that file. And I have no idea what it meant or could have meant, but it must have meant something. Yeah, it's fascinating. For the audience who has no clue what we're talking about, I'll post some of the, if you'd send me the game cams picks too as well, M.K. I would love to post those but the white

Bigfoot running through, I'll post that video too as well. It's pretty impressive. I remember when I first saw it, my knee-jerk reaction was like, oh, that's CGI. But the thing is, when you see these things run, or you see these things move in real time, it looks fake.

I've seen them move. It looks fake. It doesn't look real. I got that video off of a VHS set. I remember. It was taken with early 2000s, you know, video cameras and just video cassette record. So it was no way that it could be CGI because it was, I digitized it myself, so I know the change in the possession. Yeah, I think you would have been able to pick out CGI pretty quick.

Yeah, yeah, it was as weird as it looks. Yeah, but you know what I mean, MK. I mean, when you see the move, it almost looks fake in real time. It looks fake. And it takes a second for your brain to kind of reset and go, okay, what I'm looking at is real. And then when you film it, like that white big foot you have of it running across, you're just like, oh, my God, can you Matt? I think you called it the loper or something like that.

And I remember just because it does kind of have a lope, but it's a very fast lope. And it's probably one of the best videos I've ever seen. And that's exactly how they move. Well, yeah, and they'll surprise you, you know, if you get a good look at one, you know, for an extended period of time, you probably could not believe your eyes. You know, you rub your eyes and do second takes. Yeah, that's for sure. They're very strange. Well, let me ask you.

There's another thing. There's one I've always wanted to ask you about, and it's the fence climber. And I think you know the video I'm talking about. And for the audience listening, I'll post it underneath this episode so you can check it out. But it's this thing climbing over this fence and taking off. I wanted to ask you, before you talk about that video, was that the same people that used to film them behind mirrors? They would set up mirrors and then set up their cameras. And then they captured these two things.

And if I, you have to help me, M.K., find it. But they captured these two things like wrestling in the yard. And I was like, holy crap, I can't believe they got that. Was that the same guy? You know what I'm talking about? As vague as that is? They got that by, this is being an observant researcher. They would try to get reactions out of the bigger.

You know, they try to find, they try different things to see if they would react to it or do something. And if they do it, then they would try to accentuated by, you know, changing up things. you know, it was just a tip for cat type thing. And, you know, these guys didn't have any special knowledge of Bigfoot, but I think by the time they'd done this four years, they probably did have special knowledge. But they found some tires that somebody had thrown off of a bridge into the woods or a creek.

And they noticed the tires being moved, you know, moved around. so what they did was they just took all the tires brought them the one place and chained them and that provoked a reaction i mean these things went after they tried to break that chain i've got audio files in the nighttime video not nighttime video where you could hear the tires being thrown around and they were growling and you know they were trying to break the chains uh and so they began to take these tires and they Some of them, they painted. They just tried it, you know, change the colors. They took the tires and hung them up a tree pretty high up in the tree, hoisted them up there. And the whole tree was torn up. I mean, it was just demolished. So this went on for a while, and they brought those tires over time closer and closer and closer and closer.

to the farmhouse. And I do not recommend this. You know, I don't know what they're thinking was because you could be bringing some real trouble in. And they eventually, you know, threw them over the fence in the back and brought them into the garden and drove a steel stake down in the ground

and chained them to that state. And this is what you're looking at there in the fence climber is, that it's dark 30 and it wants to go to those tires. That's what it was doing. And it ran down that fence line, went through the corn, and then you hear the guinea fowl. You ever heard guineas before? They're real loud.

They're like watchdogs. And the guinea fow began to sound off, and it scared it. And it came running back and jumped over the pint. And that's what you see in the fence club. Yeah, it's strange. It's weird. Well, let's take a listen to one of these. This is the tire talker.

That's creepy audio. And, you know, when you watch a video of it popping over the fence, I mean, it kind of looks like a man, but it doesn't really look like a man. You know what I mean? Kind of your tip of cool. I stood there at that fence. And at the time, it had a top strand that was broke. It was like chest high.

Yeah, and that thing in the video just pops right over the top of it like it's nothing. Yeah, you have to kind of look close. I've got a picture that they took at the same time and same time period with a steel camera, and it shows a little sharper detail, you know, the fence lines and stuff. When it goes down the fence line, you know, toward those tires, its back is level with that fence, and that fence is a five-strand fence. Yeah, and for the audience, I'll post the video so you can see it for yourself, and it's always impressed me.

And the people there, did they ever experience any aggression, M.K., that they ever talked to you about as far as these things coming up to the home? Because in a lot of their videos, they almost seem like the creatures are pretty comfortable there. Oh, yeah, they did. As a matter of fact, the lady was afraid of them. She was afraid of them when I was there. you know, all these years later, her husband had died. Her husband had been feeding.

They had a little, they would try to keep them on the property by cooking prepared food and going out there and leaving them on the stumps. But it was her husband that took them out there, not her. So when he passed away, she quit cooking. Because, I mean, she was afraid of. She said that there was one that just would quit the rest. of them till they were bloody. And you might have seen the video.

I call it Tall Paul. It's the same one with the two that are wrestling. If you let it run long enough, I have a tendency to clip them so that I can work with them without, you know, wearing myself out. But Tom Paul is the one who made those two run off. He steps out and he is

over 10 feet tall on here. I've stood there. You know, he's big. And I don't know if he's the one that did all the weapon, but those other two got out of dodge. I think I remember that. I think I remember them kind of, they were wrestling, and then you see them kind of break off from the fight, and they both kind of scatter in opposite directions. Yeah, they were fighting over those tires. While they were so enamored with those tires, I don't know.

But, you know, of all the things that they tried, including food, those tires were the most coveted to the item. Is there still activity going on on that property today, MK? Yeah, there was fresh sign when I went out there. The lady was afraid, and I, you know, I didn't want to say too much about it because I didn't want to get her, you know, scared, you know, into where she was scared to stay home. But there was a top pulled out of a tree of, you know, snapped. And it was pretty far up this tree. It's a little small tree. And I looked down below and there was just a great big track.

I didn't want to draw attention to it. She was walking ahead and I just let my camera swing down and film it. And didn't say anything to her. You know, people that are living, And it's not that they're that they're particularly attracted to this one place, is that they come from another area right old, not far from there. And they were, they were sort of, you know, through feeding and conditioning, they could be made to come over on there and hang out, you know.

But they, mostly, they were from this large acreage. across the road that belonged to the National Guard, and they didn't allow any trespassing them. So they were under no pressure whatsoever over me. And they would wander out, you know, at night. And when it first started, the people who bought this place, they hadn't lived there long, and he liked to hunt for Indian art facts, you know,

airheads and the like, and he was finding barefoot tracks and sign out there. And it kind of puzzled him, and then he read an article where a fight big would have been seen right in that area. It had been reported. And he says, well, that must be what I'm seeing. And so he went and found the guy, but it was his wife that reported it. And it ended up, they worked at the same place, a Kimberly Clark. factory there. So they,

they began the, uh, the odyssey. At first, everybody was saying that it, it was hoaxed. They were all hoaxed.

And, and, and, you know, when you people get together, maybe they, they, they, they might be

joking or whatever. And, you know, it, you scratch your hand, you say, I don't want to be the victim of a hoax. So I think they were kind of regarded as a hoax, but when it comes to me, I said, well, let's look at your tape. You know, let's look at what you got on camera.

And we'll see if that will tell me for sure if you've hoaxed it or if this is something more than a hoax. And so I had a bucket full of video cassettes. they were six hours long apiece, and they were about 50 of them. It was four years worth of work. They were never intended to be publicized. They were shots only for their own edification. I mean, I've met these people, become friends with them. Yeah, I think when you watch the videos, I don't know that I would say hoax.

I mean, even if I hadn't spoken to you, if I hadn't spoken with you, you. If someone said hoax, I don't know that I would buy into that because they're very fascinating. A lot of those videos that you had cleaned up and you had posted are very fascinating to watch. A lot of behavior, a lot of, you know, look like very large creatures wrestling. And for the audience, I'll post up some of those under MK's episode. If you go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com, I'll post some of those videos. That way you can make up your mind for yourself, but there's a lot of good videos in there. And I was kind of impressed. I always wanted to ask you, why did they use a mirror? Because the way they filmed it for the audience listening

in a lot of the situations, like the two wrestling, they had a mirror face, if my member's right, you'll have to correct me, I'm okay, but they had a mirror facing the front door, and then they had a camera looking into the mirror. And so the camera was recording what was actually coming off from the mirror, as opposed to just hanging the camera out the window. Why did they do that? Well, they had, they couldn't get, they couldn't get them to walk in front of the camera. They could hear them walking all around the camera on the sides and behind the camera. It took the point of even touching the camera, but they couldn't get them to come in front of it.

So they got the idea they will take this mirror. They had this big, it was come off a dresser, it's a pretty good size mirror. and they started filming into that, and they began to get some really spectacular results. You know, apparently they had some idea of what a camera would do, a camera was an eye or something. You know, it looks like an eye. A lot of animals, when you point the camera at them, they'll run,

because they see that as an eye. And so perhaps maybe the same there. I don't know, it's separation, but. The mirror thing worked very well. It did work well. I was shocked. I was shocked by it. I want to ask you, M.K., what do you think Sasquatch is?

What's your own personal opinion on what Sasquatch is? And obviously, you and I both know we've been doing this for a long time. There's no wrong answer. But I'm curious. What do you think that they are? I don't think that they're human. Even though they have all the tools that we have, from what I can determine they possess a density, a mat that is otherworldly.

You could take a cubic inch of a saskatch, and it will weigh about twice what a cubic inch of human, regular, modern man, flesh would weigh. That's why their tracks are so deeply embedded. If a sasquot stepped on your foot, it would crush it. they are not us. They have some of our design, but they're of a different sort.

And I don't think that they're eights either. Are you thinking more of a hybrid? They might be a hybrid. I think that they, you know, if I got, you know, just to the nuts and bolts of what I've learned from several really good films, if you look at the Paul Freeman footage, you'll see what I call a true giant or true Bigfoot. And if you look at the Patty film, you'll see a hybrid,

one that has some humanity in it. And the reason I believe that is from what the hoopas told me, that they did indeed kidnap women. And at one time, there were 10,000 Chinese in the Brook Creek area, mining gold. And they had their families with them, and they were undocumented. And if they were a few true giants in there, they probably left a few hybrids behind. Now, when I say it doesn't work every time. you're talking about

they're genetically off from each other but genetically close enough that occasionally a successful a child can be born but you'll have over time over long periods of time you'll end up

with hybrids mostly. The true giants the hoopas said the true giants don't live there anymore they moved away. That's why Freeman's footage looked different and they condemned this footage for a long time because it didn't look like the Patterson. But if you look at her, she's got very kind of a mixed look with a lot of hair,

patchy hair. She don't have the hair coverage. You know, you're right. You look at the Freeman footage, you know, it's pretty well covered. Yeah, I would agree with you. The Paul Freeman footage is very different from the Patterson. Gimlin. They live a different track, too. Patty's track looks like a large version of a human track, although it maybe have some differences. By and large, it looks like a large version.

But if you look at the Paul Freeman track, it's got the, all the toes are shifted forward, and they're long and sprayed. And during the filming of the creature, before he filmed the creature, he filmed the creature, he film small tracks that were nine inches long and they were all their toes were forward and splayed as well and so i know it's not a function of weight but a function of design that that the true giants have this type of foot and if you see that track they also have bad tempers the the true giants have much less tolerance and if you run into one of them and you're not you're by yourself you don't have anyone with you,

your best turn around and go back. The Hoopa said if you run into one, you talk to it in whatever language that you know and at the same time be backing up. And the reason for that is that it makes it unsure whether you're by yourself or not. If you talk as if you were with someone, that's the best thing you can do for yourself,

especially if you're unarmed. So if you look at the Paul Freeman's footage, he was doing exactly that, even though he wasn't doing it intentionally. But he was talking out loud to himself. Yeah, he says. It's very confusing, but you look at that thing, and it stopped and stared at him for a long time.

Matter of fact, he lost it in the brush. He couldn't find it. It stared at him. When he took off Wapton again, he realized, He said, oh, gee, that it was considering taking him anyway. But his talking to himself probably bought his own life because the true giants are nasty. They got bad tempers and very little tolerance. And so you think what Paul ran into was a true giant is what you're saying?

Right, it was a true giant. You run into the hygrids, they're less likely to hurt you. They have a little bit of humanity to them, and so they're more likely to just walk away. And that's from over 25 years of looking into this, that's been my conclusion that if you go to the Brock Creek area, you're probably not going to find a true giant there. You're going to find mostly these plants of these hybrids that are a mix,

then there's various levels of mix. And that's mostly the tracks that they find. I saw all the tracks, the plaster cast that Roger Patterson took from Northern California, and they were all black patties. But if you get away from there and go into other areas, you see those true giant tracks with those toes all moved forward on the foot. And they call them sausage toes, they're real long. Those dudes are bad.

And you just don't need to press them hard. Yeah, that's interesting, because I always talk about different types, and I know down in the south where you're at MK, sometimes people run into, this goes off from what you're just talking about, the true giants, but sometimes people run into what they describe as more of a chimpanzee-looking one, kind of like the one you were talking about that was leaping like a rabbit. They describe a big round head, not really cone-shaped. And, you know, the last guest I just had on, you know, the monkey in the tree. He said it reminded him of a chimpanzee sent up there.

His encounter wasn't aggressive, but a lot of those encounters are very aggressive. And the ones that seem to be more like Patty don't quite seem to be quite as aggressive as others. So I agree with you. I think more of the hybrid, whenever someone says it looks like a human, generally you don't get quite the aggression you do in other cases. Well, that's why they look like humans. It's because they part human. not to the agreement of the human.

It was forced on them. But, you know, it may take 100 tries or you get a viable, you know, a child to actually come to term because they're not genetically the same, but it can happen. And if you look in David Pilates' book, The Hooper Project, where he got Harvey Pratt

to draw those images and those people signed off on them that, yes, this is what it looked like. They all have that human look to them. And it made a lot of people angry because they're kind of locked in on the eighth thing, but it's what you're looking at there is hard to understand, but the hoopas say that they kidnap their women, and occasionally there would be a child. Over long periods of time, if you've got 10,000 people in there, yeah, yeah, you see a lot more of the hybrids there.

Yeah, it's fascinating. It's really fascinating. Well, MK, I appreciate you coming on, man. I've always wanted to talk to you. I've always want to talk to you about some of these videos, and I got to have you back on the show. I'd love for you to come back. but thank you so much for being here. Would you come back to the show?

Well, sure I would. I appreciate you having me on. I've got one, eight terabyte and two five terabytes worth of material on taskwarks, and I've got a head full of it, and plenty to talk about. Well, I appreciate it, M.K., thank you again. You're welcome. And my apologies to Tony Merkel from the Confessionals. We ran out of time tonight.

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