Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:460 A massive human looking thing with red hair

Episode Date: August 12, 2018

A listener writes, "It was the fall of 1994 when I had my encounter. This took place in northern New Hampshire. It was a warm fall day must have been in the 70's that day. The foliage was absolutely beautiful. So I decided to take a walk into the woods that day. I grew up loving the forest and nature. As kids we would play paintball every weekend. So I was a good hour/hour and a half into the woods, the forest was alive with activity that day, birds chirping, frogs croaking and squirrels running about. I came to an area when I noticed the lack of all sound. I was taught that if this happens chances are that a predator is nearby. So I stopped and looked around, at about 200 to 250 feet in front of me was this massive human looking thing with red hair all over its body except its face and hands, like an orangutans. It had hands and not paws. It looked like a jacked up basketball player. Its face looked like a baboon but its skin was a charcoal black. The thing was at least 10 feet tall if not more. It had its back against a telephone pole and it looked as if it was scratching its back. Its arms where out in front of it as it moved side to side scratching its back. The hair on its arms was about 8 inches long. I could see the muscles in its legs and arms. It never once looked in my direction. Every ounce of my being was telling me to run. I slowly began walking to my right, looking over my shoulders to make sure it was not coming. Once I heard the birds again is when I felt save enough to run. I never told anyone this until (2017) I will never forget that day." ____________________________________________________________________   We also have a special appearance from Tony Merkel of "The Confessionals" podcast. Checkout Tony's show and more at: www.theconfessionalspodcast.com.

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was a horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicle. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show planned for you tonight. Going to be talking to Frederick, who comes to us from New Hampshire. And Frederick actually had a very fascinating account. He was out on the, well, I'll let him tell a story. But basically he ran into a Sasquatch that looked more. like a baboon. And you guys have heard that on the show before, where I've had witnesses on. They're expecting to see the Patterson Gimlin creature. And a lot of times, that's not what they see. And that's definitely the case with Frederick and what he saw. It should be a great show tonight.

I'll also be bringing on Tony Merkel from the Confessionals. I know I ran out of time last week. I promise you he will make an appearance on the show tonight. I will bring him on after Frederick. If you've had an encounter, then you'd like to be on the show. Shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles. com. And if you get a chance, please check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

You can become a member, get additional shows. Very cool website. So if you get a free moment, please check it out. Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Frederick to the show.

Frederick, thanks for coming on. Ed, thanks for having you on, Wesel. Yeah, well, thanks for coming on. I appreciate being here, man, and taking the time to share your encounter. I know your encounter took place in New Hampshire. And it's very fascinating to me

because, you know, a lot of times when people, after they run into these creatures, they anticipate seeing Patty, you know, from the Patterson Gimlin film. And I would say most of the time, that's not what people see. But if you would, would you kind of start from the beginning and walk us into your encounter? Tell us what happened. My town took place in a small town called Redstone, New Hampshire, which is in between North Conroy and Conway. So it was a fall day. I don't know exactly when. It was either late September, early October, but the weather was extremely good.

It must have been temperatures of 70, 75, which is not too rare in New Hampshire. And the foley is just good. So I decided to go for a hike. I grew up in White Mountains. Woods is my backyard. So going on a hike and I'm about an hour to almost two hours in deep into the woods when I come to this clearing area where the power lines have run through. And about 200 to 250 feet ahead of me, I see this human-wood looking thing standing up on by a telephone pole kind of scratching myself. And at first I'm thinking, wow, you know, that's really.

a tall bear. And I get a better look at it, and I notice it's a rusty red color. And I, you know, we don't have red bears in New Hampshire. So I'm, you know, scanning up the body. I'm like, that is, it's like a person, you know, because it's the body. It's just like a human, except very huge. And as I'm going up further, I see the head. and that's where all human aspects of the thing ends.

It looked like a baboon was stuck on top of a person's body. The thing must have been at least 10, 10.5 feet tall, if not more. The hair on its arms was at least 8 inches long. You could see the muscle on its arms. It's back, you know, the side of its back. Because I only got a profile view of it where I was standing there. Charcoal gray skin, you can see it under the hair. Its hands look like the size of a Prisbee.

They were so huge. All I can attribute it to what it looked like a jacked-up basketball player is what it's what it looked like to me. know, just the size of this thing. So I kind of, you know, it was frozen, standing, standing in the woods, looking at this thing as it just, I don't know if it was swaying or if it was scratching its back. What it would look like to me is it, if it's scratching its back on a telephone pole. It was a combination of fear and amazement at once, you know, all rolled up, if that,

if that makes any sense whatsoever. Yeah, it does, yeah. What seems like, you know, that took forever was probably only 30 seconds when this thing just kind of let out a growl sound. I don't know if that's, you know, what really was a growl or if it was a pleasure sound, you know, like if you rub a dog's belly, it makes a grrr-kind of sound. Yeah. That's kind of what I made in it, and it snapped me out of my shock, and I just kind of slowly, slowly backed up and walked off.

And once I heard noise, you know, the sounds of birds, the crickets, and that such, I ran. I just ran as fast as I could until my feet hit pavement. But I'll never forget that that done. encounter, you know, like I said, it was, well, it'll be 25 years this fall. It was scary. I was scared. I didn't know, I didn't know what I was looking at. As a kid, you're being told monsters don't exist, you know, they're not real.

Those things on your bed, they're not real. But there it was. I'm standing in the woods looking at something that you're told is not real. It doesn't exist. Well, am I going crazy? I'm not going crazy because what I'm seeing is right there, right in front of me. I see it.

I know what I'm seeing. Yeah, I wanted to ask you, Frederick, how far away from you was a creature? You're looking at the saying... Yeah, it was about 250 feet maybe. I'm judging by the distance between two telephone poles. I was at...

I was at one, sort of, And it was down past another one. This is that high-tension power lines that we were down at. Yeah, that's terrifying. It could have been further. It could have been closer. I'm not really good with the distance. But I want to say maybe 250, 300 feet away.

Yeah, and a baboon on a man's body, that's probably too close. I'm sure it felt like you were too close at the moment. It was definitely too close for my comfort. You know, did it notice me? I don't think it did. And if it had, it didn't really care that I was there. Then I guess it never looked over at me. It never paid any attention to me whatsoever.

And like I said, once it made that noise, I was out of there like lightning. Yeah, I don't blame me. I would have been too. Now, when you were looking at it, you said the face was more of a baboon. Like you were looking at a baboon? Interesting. Yeah, just like looking at a baboon, except for the coloring. I could see, you know, the skin.

It didn't appear to have any kind of hair on its face whatsoever. It had it on the top of its head and down the back and on its body, except for its, you know, its hands and faith. I can see just from the profile of it, it definitely had that baboon snoboom snobes. out to it and the skin color was like a charcoal gray. But the hair was definitely like a rusty cinnamon color red. Yeah. And the rest of the body, you said it looked more manlike.

Yeah. Yeah, it was, it was, if I didn't see the head, I would have, what had sworn, it was, it was either, you know, a human out there. A really, really big human. I mean, every feature on it was if you took, I don't want to say, I don't suppose it, kind of like Duane the Rock Johnson, but bigger, bigger than that. Because this thing was very tall and the muscles on it was just huge. Everything was huge on it.

Yeah, the Rock's a pretty big guy, so that says how big that thing was, you know, if it's bigger than him. Bigger than him, yeah. And so when you got home, did you tell anyone about what you had seen? I had never I've never told anybody until this past year. I just to me what I saw, it didn't register. It was nothing that I could attribute it to. When I was a kid, I seen I've seen the Patty film. I had, I space my big foot off of Patty.

And that did not look anything like Patty. so what I didn't know what I saw and I was not about to tell anybody I didn't want to be labeled you know the crazy crazy guy in the woods seeing their monster so I I kept kept quiet and started listening to your your podcast and there was a gentleman on there and forgive me I don't remember to recall the specific episode but he had talked about seeing something with a similar baboon face

and I was like no way no way no way no way somebody else saw this and I looked more

and yeah these things are different they're out there what they are I don't know but and so I decided

to tell my story to my uncle and I know he listened and he's like you know could be there's strings of things out in the wood so you know I don't I don't doubt it

yeah it's fascinating that you saw this type of creature you know I think what you went through Frederick is a lot of people go through I find this a lot especially down south is they're expecting you know people don't believe in Bigfoot they think it's all nonsense and then they run into it and the part that shocks him is they're expecting to see

the Patterson Gimlin creature and nine times out of ten that's not what they see. They see something completely different. And I have run into a lot of people who've run into this baboon looking. It's back when I was talking about the different types of these things. And sometimes people report them looking like a baboon. You didn't see a tail or anything on this creature, did you?

No. No, no. Like I said, it was all human-looking features until I got to, until they had. and that's what really it literally blew my mind seeing that thing I could not imagine what this thing

where it came from what it was I thought I was either losing my mind or I walked into some sort of parallel universe where monsters

are running around I didn't know if I was going to make it out of the words to be honest of you I mean if that thing looking at the legs, you know, a sprint runner called the calf muscles, you can tell that they're built for speed. This thing had that, but it was double. I mean, it was just a huge leg, and you could tell it was built for speed.

So if it wanted to, it could have easily run me down with no effort. Yeah, it's strange when you see these creatures because everything seems to be over-exaggerated, you know, like muscles or. Definitely. People talk about the shoulders or the hands or their arms. You know, it's like I was talking about on the last show. I had a guy, well, he didn't come on, but I was talking about it. And I hope he comes on, but it's a crop duster. And he was just mowing passes, you know, crop dusting, saw these deer come out of the woodline.

It appeared to be running for their lives. So he makes another pass. And when he made another pass, he ran into this. He described it as kind of a big ape-looking thing. and one of the comments he had made because it actually caught up with the deer it was mowing down corn and everything else to get to the deer and when it got to the deer one of the comments he had made

and I find it fascinating because you just said the same thing he said the hands were huge he couldn't believe how they said like frying pans and it actually snapped the deer the nearest deck and really yeah and killed it but it's fascinating when you hear because everything seems to be very over exaggerated

with these creatures was you know the point I'm trying to make Yeah, they look kind of clownish looking. Like it's not, you're looking at something that's not real. But it's there. And you know what I mean? Yeah, I know. I know exactly what you mean. I didn't even in my own encounter.

I talked about them looking cartoonish. And what I meant by that was they're just everything, you know, like in a cartoon, everything's way over exaggerated. Like I'm sure Popeye's forums aren't really that big in real life. But everything's just over exaggerated. And that's kind of what it's like. when you run into one of these things. Yeah, it was just unreal, I guess, is the term that I want to use.

It's very unreal, just looking at it and just seeing this massive looking thing out in the woods, just kind of standing there. And like I said, whether it was scratching its back or if it had something in its sight that is going to barrel after, I don't know. and I wasn't about to hang around and find out what it was doing. You know, once I snapped out of it, I get out. I didn't want to. Well, I think that you made the right decision, Frederick, on that.

Because a lot of times when people run into the baboon-looking ones, a lot of times people describe them not quite as big, but they're very aggressive, very aggressive. Yeah, every encounter I've ever had where someone said, hey, it looked like a baboon. generally is a pretty aggressive encounter, but there might have been enough distance between you and it to where it didn't really, there was no sense in being aggressive. You know what I mean?

Right. Yeah. Yeah. It was scary. It really was. And the hands on this thing, it's just I, it could have picked up a deer in his hand

and not had trouble whatsoever. You know, one hand could have easily. picked it up. Crush its back, you know. Just if a deer come along, like say a buck, it could. I picture this thing being able to just reach out, grab it by the back, and crush its spine, no trouble. Kind of like we would do with a beer can in my hand, just crush it.

Once, you know, once it's something, we could just crush that can. That's what I, this thing could have done for the deer with no trouble. Yeah, I believe it. Did you ever go back to that area after this encounter? I have, I have not. I, you know, I've got a buddy and I. We do, I don't want to see research. You know, I'm no research guy and no investigator,

but we do have a little group, as this is the two of us? We go out into the woods, and we do look for them. You know, we did have one guy call us and say he had something on his property. We went up and took some pictures. had a couple strange things happen. We get up to one area and all these trees in a line as far as you could see bent over at the same level. Like I said, as far as you can see, we didn't follow it. We get up there to a point and every single one of us, just like it's time to go.

There is my buddy and the guy that called. and get up into the area and all of the same times that I'm creeped out, we got to go. I don't know what that was, whether there was something up in that area at that time, but just feeling of dread and we've got to go. Yeah, and that's usually when that happens you want to listen to your gut. But, you know, I always warn people to be carefully. You know, you saw that 250 feet, imagine seeing it 10 feet away. Oh, my gosh.

I probably would have died of a heart attack. When people go out there and they look for these things, I always tell them to go armed, just in case. Just in case. You never know what's going to happen. Yeah. Right. If you don't, you know, if you don't run into these, it could be something up there. We've had rabbit bodcats and things up here that have attacked people.

So, you know, be safe. That's basically what we want to, we do. We want to be safe and keep an eye up for each other. So I don't know I don't know This thing Was it a Bigfoot And from when I

From what I've been listening to You know There are different types But oh my gosh I Back then 25 years ago That

You know I knew of Bigfoot But this You know It wasn't To me that wasn't Bigfoot I didn't know What it was

I didn't I had the internet But what was I Going to look at Monsters You know I didn't know how to do a search then or even wait a begin as to what to find out.

Yeah. So I never told anybody. Yeah. No, and I can understand that. And I think in New Hampshire, I think more goes on there. People are pretty tight-lipped up there. And I say up there, it's more on the East Coast. But people are pretty tight-lipped in New Hampshire.

That whole northern region, man. It's hard to get people. Yeah, it's hard to get a little. I know there's more that goes on in Vermont than what people say. No one ever talks about it. And same thing with New Hampshire, a lot of the areas up there. I'm convinced way more goes on up there. But, you know, like you said, you run across this thing.

It doesn't look like Patty. That's what you've seen. And it's like, well, what is this thing? You know, and I think that's a lot of people's reactions when they run into, I talk to so many people, I can't even tell you, down in the South, that run into like a chimpanzee looking thing. And they'll say, you know, they were expecting to see Patty and, you know, what the hell is this saying?

and it's not really, you know, we see Patty and she's just kind of strolling off, off into the distance, just trying to get away. And most of the time, that's not the way it works with these things. They don't just stroll off and head off into the sunset. You come across to one, especially the baboon-looking ones, and I think you can run into real problems with them, because I don't think they have any, I think they're very short-tempered and have no qualms about killing someone. That's my opinion. I tend to think so, too. I agree with that. From what I've heard, they're not something you want to really mess with.

No, it's curious, though, if it was scratching its back on the pole, that would kind of, that'd be interesting if that's what it was doing, you know what I mean? I know, I know. I thought of that, you know, recently, not of the time, but recently, like, man, if I had gotten back, I could have gotten some hair samples or, you know, possibly even skin samples off that pole. but no, I wasn't going back. No, I don't blame you.

I don't know that I would have went back either, so I can't give you a hard time about that because I probably wouldn't have gone back either. No, I do plan an expedition up there at some point because I got to do it. It's for my own sanity, I guess, just to go back and be in that area and put it behind me. Because it's still, you know, I still get,

a little nervous about it. You know, my parents live up there and we go up to visit and I'll drive by that, you know, it's all changed up there now. There's more road, more development. But, you know, just driving by the road

to the access point to get out there. I'm just like, man. Well, yeah, and I think that yeah, and I think that they, the back scratching thing is interesting, but I think you know, there's all kinds of theories. is why they would follow the power lines. And I think the simplest thing to me, what makes sense is it's the easiest path to travel.

You know, it's cleared out. Yeah, easiest way, because they do. They go up there with equipment and they clear that area so vehicles can go up and fix the lines. And it's easy for the animals to maneuver, you know, deer, whatever, going through that area. and it could have been hunting. It could have very well been hunting, and that's why I never even bothered to look in my direction. It had sparred the deer,

and what I attribute to scratching its back could have just easily had been its swing, getting ready to run after whatever it saw. Yeah, it's hard to say. At least you saw it from a distance, you know, it wasn't like you came around the corner and bam, there it is 10 feet away from you, you know what I mean?

Especially an ugly one like that. You know, at least you would hope to run into a halfway human-looking thing. You know what I mean? As opposed to a baboon. In my opinion, Babboon's one of the ugliest creatures out there. And then you make it 10 feet tall. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I don't even, I think regular baboons are ugly,

but this thing was just, no, 253 feet, you're plenty of close enough when I was a player. Yeah, I agree with you. When we were younger, we would play paint. ball and my buddy and my brother we would build these sports down in the woods

and we had gone out it was February when we were going down out to you know just put them together and whatnot and we had one it was a pretty good structure we had them built out of four inch pine trees that we cut down

out in the woods and we get down there and the sport was destroyed. The pine tree snapped in half and everything pushed over. There was a little snow on the ground and any kind of markings were, you know, dug up is all, you know, strewn around. Like any, if there's going to be footprint, they are strewn around. The tree limbs were thrown 50 feet in all directions. We, you know,

my buddy and my brother, like, wow, what happened down here? We thought it was like, you know, homeless people, wrecking it. But I'm like, why would they wreck it? It's a perfectly good shelter for them. They could have, you know, they could have used it. They could have slept in and whatnot.

So we rebuilt it. We would, you know, we cut down more, more trees and built another one. And I'm like, you know what? We're going to come out here tonight and we're going to see, you know, if we can catch this jerk that's destroying it. So we're walking down this path and, you know, it was February. And it was my brother was in front of me. I was in the middle and my buddy was behind me. And we had this lantern up on a, on a pole.

So it looked like one kind of one person walking down. When all of a sudden this blood curdling screen. like I have never to this day ever heard again and it was you could you feel it reverberate through your chest and the next thing I know I hear this my buddy's 50 feet gone he's running he's looking back to the house I look at my brother and go we got to go so we start running and I hear this through the woods crashing sound and then it just kind of stops and runs back I don't know what it was. I think that it might have thought there was only one and I was trying to run down my buddy. And then when it heard our footsteps running,

it backed off because it knew that there was more than one and it was going to be a little bit more than a one person takedown. But I don't know what it was to this day, I have no idea. But to feel the sheer volume and, like I said, the reverberation to your chest let's get the hell out of it. Yeah, have you ever heard anything online that came close to what you heard? There was, on your show, there was one that came pretty, pretty down close to it, and I wish I'd remember the episode, but it, I listened to a show at work,

and I have my headphones in, I'm a custodian, and I hear the scream from your playing, and I hear the scream, and I hear the scream, And I had to sit down. It was just, it took me right back to that moment. I wonder if that was a Michigan screams. I don't have them queued up right now. Otherwise, I'd play it for you. But there's some Michigan screams that I've played in the past.

And it's very haunting to hear it because it doesn't sound like a person, but it kind of does. And it doesn't sound like an animal, but it kind of does as vague as that is. I wish I had. No, no, you, you, it's dead on how you describe it. because it's in between, but it's, it's louder than anything, it's a lot of than any animal or any human should be able to do.

Um, if that, I don't know, that, that makes sense. It's just, it's, it's, it's,

it's, when you feel, when you feel that kind of, um, a noise from something, it's, it's, it's un-tuningly,

how, it how it does how it does that i can't i can't describe it any any better than that i don't know you know what animal could do that other than a um you know like a lion or an elephant with just a sheer volume from that thing is this similar to what you heard yeah that was it that's what you heard huh yeah i i heard that in texas when i was in texas and um it does i mean when you hear it like people hear it on the podcast it doesn't do it justice you almost have to hear it in person because it doesn't. Yeah.

The tone is right, but the volume is off. And what I mean by, like how you said, how you can fill it. Yeah. I felt, I heard that in Texas and I about fell over when I first heard it. I was like, holy crap, man, we got to get out of here. Kind of like what you just said with you and your brother. I was like, we got to get out of here. Yeah, because, I mean, you, you hear it and your immediate, you know it's not a person.

It's some type of predator. It doesn't matter. what it is, you've got to go. You got to book it. It's coming for you. And when we heard it coming through those woods, man, that was. But it has a weird... I sure is going to get my buddy. Yeah, it has a weird tone to it. When you think Frederick, I mean, it kind of has a, if I played that for someone who didn't believe in Bigfoot, someone might go, that sounds like a person. But it doesn't sound like a person. And it doesn't sound like an animal. There's something different about it. Yes, definitely something. And

like you said, when you play it through a recording, you're not getting, you're not getting the feel. You're right. The pressure from it. It's almost, if you ever been to a dragway,

you get the pressure from a jet, jet car, you feel that, you feel it in your chest. Well, that's how we, that's what we felt when we're, when we're there. You just feel that concussion,

I guess, is what I'm looking for. Yeah, it's like, from the screen. Yeah. And this isn't a great illustration, but it's like listening to Metallica than being at a Metallica concert

and being in front of the speaker as they're playing, you know. It's night and day. Yeah, I get it. I completely get it, you know, and it is terrifying. That's fascinating. You heard that.

You know, like I said, I've talked to very few people that have actually heard that type of scream. Makes you wonder what it was doing. Like, if you guys were sending up a shelter and it was just kind of pissed, it was a territorial, get out of here type of scream at you.

Yeah. It could have been, but here's the thing, because we were building these little forts. It was, we had a major highway go behind this area. And it wasn't a huge wooded area. It was maybe two football fields, if that, a football field and a half, possibly, was the size of it. And then it was Route 16, it was running behind it. and then on the other side of that was the field for high school. But, you know, our high school does border National Forest property.

So could it have been crossing the road coming over into that area? For what purpose? I don't know. I mean, there'd be nothing there for it to get unless they'd be grabbed dogs or cats or something. And my thinking is maybe this was a juvenile that had gone on its own and it's trying to set up territory. And it was picking the wrong area. Yeah, it could be. It could be.

It's a little of nerving. It's that close to civilization. But you find that a lot, you know, like here in Washington State because I know a lot of the areas where someone will call me and say I had an encounter here. And I'm always shocked. I'm like, wow, that's really close. to a major freaking city. And so it is. It's unnerving.

It's that close, you know what I mean? Yep. What draws them out to civilization like that? It's all I can think of is they're getting food shortage, so they've got to come in and scrooge, get it from whatever they can at that point. Yeah, it's hard to say. It's hard to say. What do you think Sasquatch is, Frederick? What's your own personal opinion?

Wow. I've, you know, I've listened to your shows. I've heard different things. I guess my, my opinion is, and, you know, I could sound way out there, but that's okay. I think they were once possibly the guardians of the force for Native Americans, and once white men came over and started slaughtering, you know, Native Americans, they kind of lost the power to control these things.

So they, I guess it became wild and then free. And the Native Americans have lost control of them. I do think that they are more than a damn dirty ape running through the woods. I think they have some sort of spirituality to them. Just listening to them. to different encounters, different things people say that these things are capable of doing. There's something more to them than just being a monkey running in the woods.

I agree. I agree. So are you thinking it's more of an animal or more of a humanoid? I think it's, I don't know. Maybe the patty is more of an animal type. of thing, but these other ones, I don't know. I think they're more spiritual, you know, whether it be demonic or what, but they're not, they're not friendly. There's nothing about them that, that's any kind of friendliness to them at all. These baboon ones, the dog men, for example, no, I think there are some kind of a spiritual being that

you know the Native Americans used to be able to control and now they've lost control and they seem to just Yeah you may not be too far off may not be too crazy in your ideas I've been working on getting Mick back on the show

there's two brothers I always talk about I'm sure you've heard me talk about it Frederick but the two brothers and there's Matt and there's Mick and I've always worried about Mick because Mick, he just doesn't fear anything. I mean, the guy is just freaking fearless. Matt, I don't want to say one has their head on their shoulders better than the other one.

I think if I was to talk my way out of a situation, I'd want Matt. If I was going to fight my way out of a situation, I'd want Mick. But Mick still lives there. And he is, I know he wants to come on the show, but he's worried about what people will think of him. but he generally, he would agree with everything you just said. And he's told me a lot of strange things to where people can mock and laugh all they want. But he's told me, you know, you start throwing around Jesus Christ's name. These things tend to scatter.

They will leave you alone. And it makes you wonder why. Why is that? If I got a grizzly bear in my front yard, I can scream Jesus Christ all I want. That grizzly bear ain't going nowhere. You know what you're going to? Exactly. It could care less.

I could crack open the Bible and start reading scriptures. That grizzly bear doesn't care. But why is it with these things? Yeah, why is it with these things? I've heard that so many times where people fall down and start praying. And these things scatter. I don't know what to make of that. I really don't know what to make of that.

So you may not be too far off. You may not be as crazy as an idea as you might think. No one really knows what they are. It's funny. You always have the people who got everything figured out. They'll be first to make fun of you. And, oh, come on. they're there they're there it's a it's a it's an ape you know everyone's got it figured out but um you know

you start questioning those people experts yeah experts yeah i love experts because i love to take apart everything they say like a jerk no you know you're not a jerk because how how can somebody be an expert on something that they may have seen once or twice seen and they don't have it in the basement they don't have this thing that they're out every single day, studying, following the behavior, knowing what the social structure is, you cannot be an expert. You can theorize that. I'll give you that, but you know, I call yourself an expert because you're not. You're only pulling yourself. Yeah, and that's a frustrating part. That's why, you know, I don't really have any problems if someone says there are Bigfoot research. I think

people get lost into thinking I have a hard time with the term Bigfoot research, but it mainly comes from Bigfoot researchers is the most of the time the people I've I get along better with skeptics than I do with Bigfoot researchers you know the ones you hear about all the time because they're so arrogant on what they say they got everything figured out you ask them any questions and

they got an answer for everything but when you really start dissecting their answers they don't have anything figured out none of them do and they don't know what they're talking about. Yeah exactly and you know once you have the mindset you have everything figured out

that's the day you should probably get out of this field because there is there's always something to learn and it comes from my witnesses like you and people who are willing to come on and share their encounters and talk about some of the strange things that's why you know different types i would have never even talked about different types if it wasn't for witnesses like yourself that come forward and was like hey it didn't look like patty didn't look like a monkey it looked like a baboon and i've had a few of those on the show yeah you know and it makes sense that there would be different types of these things, right? Because, you know, something that's acclimated to, like, Washington State, living in the mountains, probably isn't going to do too well down in Florida in the swamps or down in Texas in the swamps. You know, it's two different animals. They could be the same, but I mean, two different categories of the same animal, I guess is what I'm trying to say. It's like, I don't want to compare it to a human, but they're similar. I mean, we have different races. Why can't these things? Yeah, and you find, and you're right. And I don't want to compare them to.

To apes, because I generally agree with you on that. I don't think it's an ape. I don't think it's a monkey. There's something very much more to these things than that. But having said that, you know, an ape and a baboon, you know, a grill and a baboon, you're talking apples and oranges. Still from the same tree line, but you're talking apples and oranges on what you're going to run into. And I kind of think it's the same thing with these.

I think in some areas, they can be more aggressive. I think in some areas, like if you would have been closer than 250 feet, you probably would have got to know that Sasquatch pretty well because I guarantee it probably would have came at you. Yeah, I think I would have ended up a 401, you know, gone, gone, never to be found again. Somebody would have come along and found my truck in the parking lot, and that would have been the end of that.

They would have been searching for me. I would have been on milk bottles or God knows how long. Yeah, thank God you weren't. And I always worry when I hear of missing people. You know, it's like they found the car and the guy walked off. like, well, where did the guy walk off to? And I always worry when to hear some of that stuff, you know, and I'm just glad that you got a chance to look at it, but at a distance, you know what I mean? It wasn't an up close and personal, because I don't think it would

have gone well with that, that type of creature where you're talking baboon. It looked like a baboon in the face. I've never once ever had anyone say anything good about that type of encounter. In fact, I will say probably 100%, except for your encounter, 100% of the encounters I've heard where it's a baboon looking creature, it's usually aggressive. Yeah, it's usually very aggressive. Yeah. And I think distance.

Yeah, distance played a huge key. Yeah, I'm so glad you shared it, Frederick. I really appreciate it coming on. It's a fascinating account to me because I love hearing those type of encounters to where it doesn't look like Patty. It didn't look like a human. It didn't look like a gorilla. And it looked more like a baboon. I've had very few of them on the show, but I have had them on the show.

And it's fascinating to me. It really is. The whole encounter is fascinating to me. Well, I thank you for having me on. I enjoy listening to your podcast every week I tune in and listen. Well, I appreciate it, man. You do a great service. You know, listening to your show is what encouraged me to come forward and share my encounter.

because to be honest with you, I don't think if I had come across your podcast, I never would have told anybody. I would have thought it was just me. I was the only guy that seen this thing, but knowing that there are other people that have seen these things. And you said it once before,

if you have a thousand people that have seen this thing, and you could say half of those have misinterpreted it. So you get 500 people. 500 people online. That was a doc that said that to me one time. And it's funny you say that because I think of him, you know, John Bendernoggle. He said that to me one time.

He said, you know, Wes, if you take all of the people he've had on the show, and he goes, forget about the people who didn't come on the show, just the people on the show. If one person's telling the truth, we got a major problem out there. And his point was, not everyone's going to be, you know, you can only go with the person misidentified, they saw a bear only so many times. And usually within two or three minutes of talking to someone, you can throw that theory out the window because what they're describing, like yourself, what you're describing in details is not a bear. And I always love that about John. You know, John always encouraged me. He was like, hey, keep having people on. And if it's weird,

have them on because, you know, someone else probably saw it. You know, and here's a scientist telling me, you know, and he's right. He's 100% right. You know, let's say 99% of everyone's full of crap. If 1% is telling the truth, we have major problems out there in the forest. Exactly, exactly. You know, there's, and that's, I guess that's what I want people to understand, is there's something other than bears, cougars, mountain lions, whatever you have, there's something more out there that you just need to be aware of. Don't stop going in the woods, don't stop camping, enjoy it, but just be aware. And that's it.

You hit it right on that for, that's exactly it. That's what I've been trying to preach. You said it better than I did. Usually I mumble through my words, but that's basically it. Just be careful, you know, when you're out there, be careful. You know, in your case, you talked about the rabid bobcats. I'll take my chances with a rabid cat over a Sasquatch any day, especially one that looks like a baboon.

I'll take my chances with the cat. I have the Goldilocks I guess you know it was at the right distance you know the whole the whole scenario played out perfectly because I came out and it was unbothered

it didn't you know I didn't disturb it whatever it was doing and it didn't bother me so if I ever have another experience that's what I'd like to have I don't want to hopefully knock on wood

I'll never have any kind of encounter where I'm going to be in trouble but I will keep going out you know I'm not I it's now it's become an addiction I want to know what these things are yeah I get that

what they're doing and just educate people you know let them know that yeah there's something out there and you need to be a way that's pretty much what I want people to know. Yeah, and it's this weird thing after you have an encounter, Frederick, where I think I hear this a lot from people.

They'll say, well, you know, what's the problem with that guy? He ran into this. Now he's out there looking for them. But you can't speak to that unless you've had an encounter. And I completely get where you're coming from. And I was the same way. As much as I didn't want to go out, I ended up going back out. I'm not comfortable out there.

I'm not happy about being out there. I'll go out in the woods under protest, but I'm very uncomfortable being out there, unless I'm armed to the teeth. And even then, I don't know how comfortable I am. But I get it. Wanting to go back out. Being curious, wanting to know the answers because there's no real answers to what this thing is. That's why I like to ask people, what do you think Sasquatch is? Because it's one of those questions to where there's no wrong answer.

Someone could, you know, you can say aliens and, you know, you might be right. You could say they're the Nephilim. Yeah, you could be right. right. You could say it's a, you know, a monkey out there. Yeah, you could be right. You know, there's really no wrong answer to, and I get that you could be right thing from Ron Morrid. I was thinking of him when I, because I used to give him a hard time about his theories all the time. And I would say, Ron, they're this. And he would say, yeah, you could be right. And he used to drive me nuts when he did that. Ron Moorhead, because I was like, yeah, because, you know, that's his way of, you'll never get in an argument with that guy.

You will never go toe to toe in an argument with that guy because you can't win. because he'll come back with, yeah, you could be right. Yeah, you could be right. You know? He's right because there is no right or wrong. We don't know. We don't have one in captivity where we can study. So who knows?

Who knows what they are? Aliens, damn dirty ape? We don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I'd feel better. I'd feel better thinking it was an ape out there running around the woods, but I don't think it is. You know, I would too, but like, no, I don't think they are.

You know, and this is the reason I don't think they are an ape, because if there were an ape, I think we would have had one in captivity by now. These things have been around since, you know, the time of them. Lee Ferrickson wrote, you know, that he's seen giants. So if there was a stinking ape, just running around, in the woods of the Pacific Northwest, New England, anywhere, we would have been able to catch it one. Catch it by now.

Yeah. But they're elusive. They're very, very intelligent to the point of being creepy. I agree. They're intelligent. You're absolutely right. They're intelligent to the point of being creepy. And I was thinking about when I had M.K. Davis on, and he had those people who had

these things on their property. While they'd set up cameras all over this property to try and get pictures of them, they could never get a picture of anything. They would hear it walk up behind a camera, tap on it and stuff. And it wasn't until they started setting up mirrors and they had like VHS cameras and they were pointing them towards the mirrors and the mirrors were pointed outside. They started getting these things. That's a little odd to me.

That's a little strange. Or why is it when you start putting up game cams around your home, all of a sudden they scattered. They're no longer, you know, that seems odd to me. There's something not right about that. And I agree to the point of being creepy. I couldn't agree more. Yeah, very, very creepy. You know, I guess I won't say we'll never know, but it's going to be a while before we figure these things out, I think, before we do capture one. And if we ever do, I don't know. I don't I've got a lot of theories about the government having their own, but that would be a whole other different show. Yeah.

No, and I was just going to say that. I was going to say you could go down a huge rabbit hole with why we haven't caught up with them, and I think the government has a lot to do with that, which you should raise up more eyebrows than anything else, because if it was nothing more than a monkey, I don't think the government would care. I think they would be like, yeah, there's a monkey. I thought that same thing. You know, if there was a monkey running around Pacific Northwest, why is the government? Medicare. They'd say, oh, yeah, there's a monkey in the Pacific Northwest.

Gone. Stories are. Congratulations. That's your big flip. But no, they try to sweep it under the carpet. They try to hide it. And that's what makes it more mysterious. Is, why are they doing it? You know, there's got to be something more to these things than just being a monkey. I agree. And, you know, the other thing, too, is, you know, like people say, well, it'll cause widespread panic. Well, a cougar can kill you just as quick as the Sasquatch can. We got a major cougar problem out here in the Pacific Northwest. You know, you're not going to go toe to toe with a cougar. And same thing with, you know, black bears out here. You know, there's a lot of things in the woods that can get you. And so I don't buy into, anyway, that's a whole different

conversation. But I tend to agree with you, Frederick. I think there's more to them. And I think when you start looking at the weird cover up, how there's a lot of correlations between that. and the alien cover-up tactics that they use, makes you really wonder, makes you question a lot of things, you know. Yeah, I've wanted that, too, where if they're not possibly tied together, the whole Bigfoot and alien thing. I hope not. Like I said, I'd feel better knowing it's a monkey.

Yeah, me, me too, but I have a feeling that it's not, you know, but we could help. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you coming on, Frederick. I really enjoyed it. You know, like I said, hearing, there's not a lot of encounters to where it looks like a baboon. There are some, though. And I know for the longest time I always thought, well, maybe that's what the dog man is, you know, this baboon-looking Sasquatch. But when you talk to someone who ran into the dog man, it's not even, the details don't match up. You're talking apples and oranges. But there are people that see what you saw. A lot of people have seen what you saw. And it disturbs a lot of people because it's like, we mentioned before, it's not Patty. And that's what a lot of people are expecting to see. And that's, you know, couldn't be further from what they're seeing. But I appreciate you taking the time to come on and share your encounter. Thank you very much.

Well, thank you for having me. And I just hope that more than when there is, do you decide to share the stirring. I do know that there have been more sightings in this area. And people just need to feel that they're not going to get made fun of. You know, just come out, shade your story. This is a safe place to do so. So please do it. I couldn't agree more.

Thank you again, Frederick. Thank you. Good talking with you. Yeah, it was good talking to you too. And I know last week I ran out of time for Tony Merkel. I think he's been waiting in queue for like 50 minutes or something. Let's go ahead and bring him on now. That looks like he hung up.

Let me see if I can call him back here. Thanks for calling pizza. That's for pickup delivery. Hey, Chris. Sorry, I meant to call someone else. It's actually for pickup. Okay, one sec. And what's a good phone number for you?

Okay, and first name? Wes. All right, what can we get started for you? Hey, I was wondering, could I get a large meat lovers on pancrossed? Okay, large pancross meat lover. Any extra cheese on that pizza today? Um, sure. Okay.

And then do we need any breadstick sort of, desserts to go along with us or just that one pizza? Just the pizza's good. All right. It looks like all together today, the large pan meat lover, extra cheese, we have 2492, and we can have it ready to pick up in about 12 minutes. Thanks so much. I appreciate it. Not a problem. Have a great day. You too.

Oh, it actually looks like Tony Merkel from the Confessionals podcast didn't hang up. Oopsie. Let me see if I can get him here. Dude, you ordered a pizza. You know whatever I call in. It's always line two. Line two. You did that on per- I can- Are you serious?

You ordered a pizza on my time. What's hungry, man? I don't care if you were hungry. Like, you did that on purpose. You're trying to make me look stupid in front of everybody. And on Sasquatch Chronicles,

you know you got this huge following and you're trying to make me look stupid in front of the whole world. You literally called Pizza Hut and ordered a pizza, you know I'm always on line two. That wasn't a mistake. You did that on purpose, dude. Well, sorry, man.

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