Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:463 Homeland Security Sasquatch Expedition

Episode Date: August 19, 2018

Tonight I will be speaking to two guests. Brent writes,"Hey Wes! My name is brent and I live out in banks, Oregon. A friend and I had an experience a couple years ago up in Washington. Here is a copy of what I first wrote down while it was fresh. I have attached the recording and picture In the recording you will hear me trying to calm down my dog and get him to stay. Then I walk a short distance down the gravel road in the dark with no flashlight (crazy in retrospect) I stop and have my cell with the mic end pointed in the general direction of the initial screams. It's a poor recording at best. But during most of it in the back ground you can hear the screams. In real life they started out as guttural grumpy ape sounds and then would escalate to high pitched screams and then back to guttural huffing and puffing from the "main one" . The responses were similar but seemed more like a "I'm in position chase them this way" from the others. Me and a friend recently went to forlorn lakes on 9/22 for a camping trip. We arrived at approximately 7pm. At approximately 1am we heard a very loud scream. There were 2 or 3 then another one answered back. It sounded like it was near the other side of the small lake we were camping at. Similar but slightly different tone. Then there were multiple answers back. I thought there were possibly 3 answers back to the first scream that was first and closest. My friend had better hearing and he thinks possibly 4. So that's potentially 4 – 5 total. This went on for about 20 – 30 minutes. I have a German Shepard/wolf dog. He was whining, scared and trying to get as close to me as possible. When I put my hand on him his heart it was beating very rapidly. I have never seen him act like this before. And me and my friend were shaking uncontrollably. He asked if I could record it with my phone. After retrieving my phone from my van I turned on the voice recorder. And walked towards the first and closest screams. I got 2 minutes of recording, but as soon as I got down the road towards the main entrance it stopped. And the whole forest was completely quiet. We both slept in our vehicles that night. The next day I walked completely around the lake. I found a fresh set of elk tracks cutting across the edge of the lake where the screams were coming from. They were in a tight formation. almost single file. It read obvious that they were at a full run by the way that the softer mud was very churned up. And were not there for a drink. I triangulate the direction and went to the main road where I thought they were coming from. When I reached the swath of forest between the lake and road my dog went to a spot and started sniffing. When I checked it out there was a foot print that I would of never found if he hadn't pointed it out. It was on the upside of the ditch headed in the same direction a the elk tracks. The dirt was already compacted, but I could clearly see a big toe print and heal. It was still early in the day and you could see the fresh moist dirt that was disturbed compared to the sun baked surround. I snapped a pic with my phone and ran back to camp. After that we decided to leave. I camp on average 30 days a year. And Indian heaven and forlorn lakes are one of my favorite spots. I have never heard anything like this before or been more scared in my life. I googled big foot /forlorn lakes when I got back and bfro report #26572 is very similar. same time of year/ conditions. The main difference is these screams were very close. I would guess about a block away. And the responses were about 2/3 blocks away. Also I feel like maybe they were hunting the elk. And that the loudest one was driving then towards the others and using the lake as a natural barrier to funnel them to the others waiting to ambush. Why would they make do much noise exposing their present and location? My only guess is to scare us away or hunting… Thanks Since I wrote this I have read many stories and listened to most of you pod cast. It was hard at first to listen to them, but but I feel as time goes on I have less ptsd about the situation. And I can really relate to you last couple episodes. Also now that I am more educated on the subject I realize there have probably been multiple times I have been in close proximity to them and being watched. Would love to grab a beer and talk about this in person some time I will be attending the conference in Kennewick and have tickets to Bobs dinner. With any luck I will be at you table  Hope your well!" _______________________________________________________________________________   Our second guest, Dave, writes, "Went on multiple operations with us dept of homeland security in north east Texas and SE Oklahoma on investigations. Do you want to know what we saw / experienced?"   Tonight we will find out!

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out, he'd he grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-uh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. I got a great show playing for you tonight. I was just laughing. I got something coming up at the halftime for you guys. Welcome to the show. Thanks so much for being here. I know it's Sunday night. And thanks for inviting me into your home.

I got a great show playing for you tonight. Actually, going to be talking to Brent. And Brent had a very interesting recording. He took, I want to say it was in Oregon. I'll have to ask him for sure. Oregon or Washington. I know Brent lives in Oregon. Then he was out.

He got this recording, and it reminded me a lot of the Eumatilla sounds. So I'll play that so you guys can kind of compare the two sounds. And then I'll be talking to Dave, who became friends with some federal agents for Homeland Security. That sounds ironic. But anyway, he went out for an expedition, and so he'll be sharing what happened to him on that expedition. Should be a fascinating show tonight.

Thank you again for being here. If you had a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member, get additional shows. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Brent to the show. Brent, thanks for coming on.

How are you doing tonight? Doing good. Good, good. I know you're from Oregon, and I'll tell you what, I'm going to play the audio right now. You recorded this and then tell us the backstory behind it, but here's the recording. There's kind of a portion of it. God, it sounds like the gates of hell opened up, and they were lentiless demons at night. You know what I mean?

It's like, it reminds me of the Eumatilla screams, and I'll play that here in a second. But if you would, kind of back us up a little bit. What were you out doing? And tell us about this recording, if you would. Well, I found this camping spot a few years prior and had gone up there two times before and had a nice time. I went up there both times by myself with my dog and was pretty uneventful. And this is getting back from... This is an... I'm sorry, Brent. This is in Oregon for the audience listening. This is actually in Washington.

Oh, it's in Washington. Okay. What part of Washington? It's kind of up by Indian Heaven. Okay. Yeah, I know the area well. It's a little area called Forlorn Lakes, and it's a series of, I think, volcanic lakes on top of a mountain. All of them are kind of about the size of a football field, but they're kind of close together. and there's kind of a little road that winds in between all of them, and there's little camp spots at most of the lakes. So, yeah, it's hours away from Portland.

You head up the gorge and cross up into Wind River area. Yeah, I didn't mean to cut you off. So what were you guys doing? I appreciate sharing that. So what were you guys doing, and what happened? My friend had kind of had a recent tragedy, and I was coming back to town and I got a hold of him and said, you know, let me, let me scoop you up and I'll grab some steaks and beer and we can just kind of, you know,

go out in the woods and hang out and catch up. And so that's what we did. And we took off and we got up there. Made a fire and we're cooking some food and had opened some beers. And about 1 o'clock in the morning, the moon was fairly full also. I just wanted to know. I was messing around with the fire, and I look over, and Docs waving at me, and I stopped what I'm doing, and he's like, did you hear that? And I didn't really hear anything because of the activity I was doing.

So I stopped, and then all of a sudden I heard it, and my instant reaction was like, oh, what's that? And then it happened again fairly immediately, and I was still kind of in an analyzing sort of mode. but then something similar seemed to answer back directly on the other side of us and then it was all of a sudden it was like this just like through my body and I just kind of thought to myself oh we're surrounded

and after that one there was also two more calls like they were answering back so there was definitely like one on one side of us and then maybe three or four on the other side of us. And we were right up against the edge of the lake. The first one that was the initial one and the loudest one,

it was relentless. It just, it, it sounded really angry and it didn't, it didn't stop. It was, it was fairly consistent. You can kind of hear it in the background, the whole recording. It was pretty much the primary one, I guess I would say. The other ones didn't really.

seemed to make much noise after their initial call back. And after about 15 minutes of us just standing there looking at each other, not knowing what to do, and we felt kind of like, or at least I can say, I definitely felt kind of like frozen my tracks. And I don't know if that's like an infrefound thing or just, I was just literally so scared. It just seemed like it was triggering some sort of like primal fear of space. and my whole body was just like shaking. I have a 110 pound German Shepherd Wolf hybrid.

He's a good dog. Is that the same dog in the recording? Yes. Yeah, you can hear him kind of freaking out, can you? I mean, he sounds like he's not real super happy to be there. He's running around me in circles. He's like getting between my legs. He's trying to like jump up on me.

after standing there for a second I think we kind of got our senses together and Doc looks at me and he goes, well, do you have any way of recording this? And so I ran to my van and I grabbed my cell phone and I hit the voice recorder and I kind of shuffled

down the gravel with my phone held out in front of me with the microphone in kind of out trying to get what I could. And so when you hear that there's like in the beginning it's me trying to kind of calm down my dog and get him to stay in the camp of Doc while I kind of go out a little closer.

And at that point, I didn't have a flashlight or anything, but I just kind of went out to where the, you know, the edge of the fire glow I could see and then just a little bit further than that. The sounds where I'd estimate like maybe about a city block away and maybe two, I kind of get out there and then I stop and I get what I can. it just stopped. And then the whole forest was just quiet. There wasn't any sounds of anything.

And I sat there for a minute. What did you think was going on? I mean, you hear this. I'm going to play another sound for you in a moment. But you hear this. I mean, what's going through your mind? Like, what in the world is that thing going off? Yeah.

I didn't know what to think. I live out in the country. I live on a farm. We have chickens and sheep. Um, in, in our neighborhood, I've, I've seen, uh, bears, bobcats. Uh, we have several packs of coyote. Uh, fishing game had to take away a nuisance, uh, mountain lion not too long ago. Um, but was, uh, sick and, and coming down to our, our farms and our neighbor's farms looking for easy kills. Um, so I've, I've kind of seen and heard a lot of the stuff that's out there, just hanging out at my own house.

And I also do, I've worked in the sound industry of stuff before. And I can just say just the sheer volume and the sound frequency that it covered because it started out kind of these lower tones, but then it would just escalate into the super high pitch and then kind of back down. And I didn't know what it was. I was just more scared. I mean, I had always, you know, knew in the back of my mind that I was in big fit country and that. But, you know, I kind of thought that, you know, after the first few minutes. But, I mean, it's just not really an image that you can put with the noise that we heard.

Yeah, it's trying to figure out. Except for something really large. Yeah. I can imagine, man, sitting there to recorder. And I know you don't think it's accurate of recording, but I do. especially if you're running around the phone in your hand, you're trying to corral the dog. You can hear it going off. I'm curious, did it sound a lot like this?

This is the Umatilla screams. January 21st, about 11 p.m. I'm a couple hundred feet from my house and you hear it going off in the background right now. Kind of sounds weird. Kind of sounds dogish, hyenas, but you can hear it going off in the background right now. It's really kind of strange, just to say the least. It's been going off for about 15, 20 minutes so far by the fire station, and it's pretty crazy, so if you can listen, that'd be crazy.

Hold on. It almost sounds like laughter. It's actually gotten closer since it started. It's probably only 200 feet, 300 feet from me right now. What that is going off right there, you can hear it. I mean, I've seen foxes and coyotes around here. for a long time and I'm not sure why if foxes and coyotes have been around here that long, why we wouldn't have heard them before.

And all of a sudden, since November, things have been just going crazy around our community. I'm sure my friend who's doing a documentary on Bigfoot will enjoy this footage. Something just shot over into the woods. It sounds very similar, doesn't it? I mean, it almost sounds like it's more happy in that one than in yours. It sounds more pissed like it's actually screaming. But was a tone similar? Yeah, definitely.

I mean, my phone speaker has some limitations, but there's definitely, yeah, some similarities there. Yeah, that's terrifying, man, to be out in the woods and grab your recorder, start recording that. And you realize how loud it actually is, because if you got a phone in your hand, you're corraling the dog with the other hand, that's a pretty damn loud, man, in the background.

I realize I amplified it a little bit, even with the amplification, still pretty damn loud scream. Yeah, I know when I've played it on the right stereo and turning it up, that you can accentuate some of those frequencies, it kind of will pop out. Yeah, I've... Makes you wonder what was going on there. I mean, it's just going... Yeah, it makes you wonder what was going on there.

It's just going off in the background like it's best. Did you feel like it was directed at you? Well, I kind of had... I kind of had two theories. I kind of felt like, you know, why would something so something that's kind of elusive in that, like make its presence so known? And I figured it was either trying to scare us out of the area or when I got up the next morning,

I was up before my friend and I grabbed my dog and we kind of did a circle around the lake. And I was trying to think in my head to how I could try to, triangulate where I was hearing the different noises from and kind of just kind of walked the perimeter. And when I got to the edge of the lake, there was a set of elk tracks. They were all single file and they cut directly across the water's edge. And the mud was super churned up like they were like in a full gallop. There wasn't any tracks that kind of veered off like, oh, I'm going to get a drink on next to a lake. it seemed like they were running something

and it would have been in the direction of where we heard the other ones that answered back I kind of feel like the one that was making all the noise was kind of making so much racket to push the small herd because it was probably maybe only five or six sets of tracks together and that the lake was kind of a natural barrier and that they had

you know several others kind of waiting in an ambush. Yeah, it could be. Maybe, you know, when everything went quiet, maybe that was, you know, when they got one and they were just dragging it off and there wasn't any reason to make a bunch of noise anymore. It's definitely a life-changing experience, especially being out there. I mean, I know you hear about people that see them all the time, but sometimes hearing

them is just as frightening. And that sounds ridiculous, but hey, you know, stand out there 1 o'clock in the morning and have something screaming at you from the other side of the, uh, the, the, uh, the real. ridge and tell me you're not terrified, you know, especially something like this. It's so loud. Your iPhone for it to pick up that sound. You know that thing had to be, had to been twice as loud. Because, you know, a lot of times I'll listen to audio and I've been in positions where I've recorded audio and I'm like, man, you should have been there because that audio didn't quite do it justice. And I have a feeling that's, you listen to your audio, I'm sure it's the same way.

You almost had to be there. especially with I mean I was really just surprised how much of the just the gravel walking on the gravel road was picked up too that I wish I wouldn't have known that

I just would have stood still instead of kind of walking a little bit here and there I hear you I hear you man well that's the stuff you learn after you record stuff you know it's little things that you wouldn't think would make

a lot of noise they do you know especially when you're holding the recorder What do you think Sasquatch is, Brent? I mean, I realize you hadn't seen it, but you heard it or reportedly heard what a Sasquatch the sounds they make. I think you recorded it. What do you think that they are? Well, I don't think there's really like one definitive answer.

I think that we probably have to deal with each case one by one. I mean, I think that there's a chance that you have, you know, You know, this happened a couple years ago, and I tell you, it'll change it, and it'll make you want to look around for more information. So I've read a lot of material. I've listened to a lot of your shows and stuff. And, you know, there's Indian stories of, you know, maidens being taken away. So, you know, there could be some that are hybrids. There could be some that, you know, maybe there was small numbers and there was some inbreeding going on, that maybe they're a little bit more.

crazy or unstable ones. Maybe have some that are, you know, have been established groups, you know, and are at peace. And then, you know, I think there's a whole other other side of it that's just so interesting of,

you know, them possibly being like, you know, some of the original inhabitants of Earth or, yeah, I don't know. Like, I think you see the diversity and, in the four, you know, potential different types,

and then you add in a bunch of variables. I don't know. It's kind of like people, you know, there's all different, you know, kinds of people in different colors and them sizes. It's hard to say. It's such a weird topic, you know. And you get people who, you know,

they'll give a little bit slightly off a description of what you're expecting. And it's kind of like, what do you make of that? You know what I mean? And like, now what I mean by that is like sometimes you're expecting to hear the Patterson Gimling creature. And a lot of times you don't. I know you've heard that from the show. A lot of witnesses don't describe the Patterson Gimling creature. They describe something very different.

Similar in the size and walking upright. But as far as features go, the details, a lot of times people give you something different. Yeah, it's hard to tell. It's hard to tell, man. I worry about people out there because you never know what you're going to run into. And who knows what the hell was going on that night. I would imagine anyone listening that recording or opened up their iPhone

started recording. You would have thought the Gates of Hell just opened up and demons were being released. You know what I mean? That's what I think when I listened to it. Yeah. A couple of funny things.

Well, I had blown a fuse and my headlights had quit working. So we might have left that night if I would have had headlights. And that next day, when I went from my walks, one of the other things that I found was when I was kind of circling around to what I thought would have been the direction that the elk were coming from, when I got out of the road,

where there was kind of a dry ditch next to the road. And as we were walking down, my dog was running ahead of me. And then all of a sudden, he just stopped at this stop, and he just kept, like, sniffing it, like, way more than, like, he was, like, giving it, like, a triple- sniff and I went over there and I could kind of make out what I thought was the footprint, a rather large one. I just kind of got chills up my spine and started looking around and I ran back to camp and I got my friend and I showed it to him and I took a quick picture.

But at that point, the sun was up and we were ready to get out of there. I feel kind of, you know, it was a good opportunity to maybe find some more stuff, you know, But at that point, we were just, I mean, we were going to camp out there for four days. And we kind of cut it short and took off. Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame you at all. Well, I can't wait to meet you at the International Bigfoot Conference, Brent. And I appreciate sharing the audio and telling us the backstory behind it because it is fascinating to me.

I mean, yeah, I think you got a great recording, man. I really do. And I really appreciate coming on and sharing it. Oh, I appreciate you having me on. and, you know, I appreciate you, you know, giving people a chance to just kind of get the stuff off their chest and feel like they're part of a community instead of... Well, thank you again, brother, for coming on, and I'll be in touch. I'll be bringing Dave on here shortly. You know, it's Sunday night. I know I did the pizza gag last week, and a lot of people enjoyed it. I had a little fun with... You guys know Duke from World Bigfoot Radio. I've had Duke on many times.

We've talked about Mountain Giants, and you guys know Bear, too, as well, from the Bigfoot Outlaws. I had a little fun with them earlier in the week. I hope this makes your Sunday. Take a listen. Hello. Hello. This is Kathy Sanchez from the Credit Card Fraud Division. Hello? How are you doing today? I'm doing okay. What's going on? Great. We were alerted of several unusual charges on your account.

Do you have a moment to speak? I don't have a credit card account. What are you calling about precisely? For the past week, there have been unusual charges. Yeah, I don't have a credit card. Are you aware of these charges? No, since I'm not a credit card owner. Please, let me continue. For example, on Sunday, there was a purchase of $276 for a hotel room in Guatemala.

Were you in Guatemala recently? No, I don't have any credit. credit cards and I don't travel. I see. On Monday, there was a purchase of $432 from an exotic pet store. Duke, such a buzzkill. I had to laugh, though, when he was, when she's like, those charges to Guatemala. He busts up laughing.

Typical Duke laugh. Made me laugh. And then I got Bear. You guys know Bear from the Bigfoot Outlaws. I said, what the hell is that? Got him. Hello? Hello.

Are you there? Yes, ma'am. This is Kathy Sanchez from the credit card fraud division. Yes. How are you doing today? Doing great. Why are you calling at 10.30 at night? Great.

We were alerted of several unusual charges on your account. Do you have a moment to speak? Yes, hang on, but I'm going to give the phone to my wife because the credit card... For the past week, there have been unusual charges. Just hang on. Let me get my wife. Please, let me continue. No.

Are you aware of these charges? She's from here that hand. It's a very person. You're talking to the wrong person. For example, on Sunday, there was a purchase of $276 for a hotel room in Guatemala. Well, you, hang on a second. Hang on. Were you in Guatemala recently?

Hang on. I see. On Monday, there was a purchase of 400. $132 from an exotic pet store in Guatemala. Are you there? Yes. Are you sure you weren't in Guatemala? No.

Okay. On that same day, it was a purchase of $123 from a restaurant in Guatemala. No. So are you positive you weren't in Guatemala? Oh, screw you. Okay, okay. Who needs enemies, right? Had to have a little fun with, I want to thank Duke and Bear for having a good sense of humor.

It's, Bear's wife doesn't play, man. She gets on the phone. She's all business. That was my favorite part of the call. I posted that actually online on social media, and I got a message from someone. They were like, I didn't realize Bear was such a nice guy. He was so patient with the lady. And it was a lot of fun.

Thank you, guys. I want to get to Dave tonight. I want to hear about this expedition with these. federal agents. Next up, I want to welcome Dave to the show. Dave, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, I appreciate being here. I know you had a very interesting encounter actually down there in Texas, and I have a lot of questions for you, but if you would, would you kind of start from the very beginning and walk us into this encounter? Because you didn't really believe in Bigfoot prior to this, did you, Dave? You know, I didn't know what to think.

I'd heard lots of stories, and it wasn't. until I met people that were involved with Homeland Security that had lived in northeastern Texas and southeastern Oklahoma. Actually, the people of the Chamber of Commerce in Onaby, Oklahoma, put me in touch with these people, and they were very legit. They weren't, they were going about it in a very scientific way. They weren't just having sightings and claiming, hey, I saw that, that proves it exists, which isn't the way it works.

So it took about a year and a half of narratives. emails phone conversations with these people down there to finally get invited to go on a weekend outing and i drove from lawrence kansas all the way down to uh based smithville oklahoma which is it just north of beaver bend and had a three-day weekend um experience of of doing overnights um this wasn't like what you see on the television shows where they're running around the woods with flashlights and yelling, oh my God, look at that. I heard something. It's very, very different.

We met with some Choctaw Indians down there that did drumming sessions. We would just sit in a campsite around a campfire. And the idea was to let them come to you. You don't go out chasing them. And it works. We, let's say we, myself and the guy, Mark, my buddy that I took down there with me that I work with, as a second witness to this, We never actually saw an ape-like creature,

but our experiences are considered to what I've come to known as class B experiences of large crashing animals in the woods, a lot of grunting, a lot of noise, big tree limbs being snapped. And then, of course, all the sounds of, you know, it's what sounds like a horse or a bull in the woods, crushing branches, sticks,

crushed and, you know, pushed away and those kinds of sounds. And this went on for three days. We experienced whistling, pebble throwing.

We were constantly getting hit by small pebbles. The pebble throwing was interesting because it happened in the daytime, as well as at night, which it was the only, the daytime experiences we had, the pebble throwing was the only thing we could get.

We did, I took that back. We did have some tree crashing sounds in the daylight, but most everything we experienced was at night. And for the audience out there, someone had worked for Homeland Security. This wasn't like a Homeland Security-sponsored trip for anyone. Now, when you went out there,

you did see black shadows and tell us about that. Yeah, only at night. we had you know we had vehicles in equipment from Homeland Security the guy that led the expedition and two others

were federal employees and we took their vehicles and used their night vision goggles as well we could see black large black figures both with our naked eyes and with night vision goggles as well

and these creatures were very aware that we were there they were they were peaking behind trees. They were standing upright, trying to make themselves kind of thin, so they would sit behind the tree. And then you could see one leg come out, and it would step out and then go back behind another tree. One of the weirdest things that happened right when we first got there on Friday night was we parked a truck up on a hill, and we went down into this big

clearing. It's about the size of two football fields. We walked down into the clearing. There was about eight of us. And one of the guys gave me the night vision goggles set, and I looked back at the truck where we were, and there one was standing behind the tailgate of the truck. All of us were down in the clearing. I was looking back, probably about 150 yards back towards the vehicle, and you could see the truck clear as day, and then a figure tall. I mean, its head was easily two to three feet above the hard top of the truck, and it was just standing there behind the shell gate. And I handed them the goggles and said, look, you know, what is that? And he looked at it. And he said, well, here we go. They're here. And he handed them back to me and they were gone.

Whatever it was was standing behind the truck. What did you think? I mean, you didn't, I don't mean to cut you off. But I mean, what did you think? I mean, you're seeing this now for the, for, I realize you'd heard them before. But now you're getting to see them through the night vision. What was going through your mind? I don't know. I was just freaked out. I think it was finally concrete that I knew that, you know, I wasn't convinced that these were real lives or apes or something. And the guy that led the expedition had told us before going out that these are not animals. It's not a deer, it's not a bear. You know, it's not an ape or anything like that.

But they're some kind of interdimensional type being possibly, or they have capabilities that we as humans just don't understand. I start, you know, I'm an avid scuba diver. I dove all over the world. I've seen all kinds of cephalopods and other ocean creatures that can blend in with their backgrounds. And so for me, with my experience, I began thinking, well, if it is an animal, then it's like a cephalopod. It has the ability to blend in with its background and to disappear. That, to me, explained how something that big could be crashing through the woods. And I'm witnessing tree branches being knocked down and smashed and see,

nothing, absolutely nothing, other than the physical elements being moved, broken, or crushed, as whatever this thing is, is moving around. Does that theory worry a little bit? You know, we use fancy words today, like interdimensional being, but when I was growing up, we used to call those demons and ghosts. You know what I mean? I mean, it's all fancy now, interdimensional being, but did that, and I chuckled, but I don't mean too, but I mean, did that concern you?

like him saying that to you? Did that worry you a little bit? I mean, obviously he's given his theory. He doesn't know. But I mean, yeah, it bothered me. Watching, especially through Night Vision, watching them watching us,

and then moving from tree to tree to avoid being seen, that bothered me a lot. And one of the nights, I think it was Saturday night, the guy that led the expedition, told us that they use other animal

sounding calls to communicate. And then they also use what I've come to known as chatter or samurai chatter. It sounds vaguely like an Asian language like Japanese, but it's mumbled and garbled, and it has a lot of teeth clicking that goes on in between the words. We heard quite a bit of that. He had recordings. I mean, so many recordings, you couldn't listen to all of them, where they would leave, you know, they would leave food out.

They would leave apples, bananas, things like that. and then leave recording devices up like three or four branches above where they leave the food. And we listen to a lot of that, a lot of his recordings is absolutely crazy. I don't know. They definitely can communicate and talk. And they do a lot of it with teeth clicking, almost like as if they have their own kind of horse coat, where they clack their teeth, and it means something. but the animal sounds, especially the owl,

and there was a couple of guys there that were really experienced animal callers, whether it be the sounds of prey or other predatory animals and the distress sounds that they make when people are hunting deer, things like that. So they were making owl calling sounds, and we were getting sounds called back, and he would call again and then we'd hear what sounded like a dozen owls all hooting together at the same time all in unison doesn't really add up the way owls behave i've seen plenty of owls i've had you know i had a family of them living on my property for a long time

and they just don't really do that not in unison all together it was just one of the most bizarre experiences i've ever had of my life of all this stuff going on, the chatter, the sounds, the clicking. And on Sunday night, when we were there over the weekend, I saw very up close the shadow figures without night vision. They were close enough that you could see them,

and you could see their heads bobbing up and down, and ducking, looked like they were ducking behind things, and they were kind of partially standing up and then sitting back down again. But again, nothing furry, like ape-like that I could see, but the shape of the shadow was definitely really large, like without a neck, kind of rounded head, shoulder shapes that were shadow figures.

Were you ever concerned for your safety when you were out there? Oh, yeah. But, you know, it felt like we had enough people there that we all had each other's backs, and it didn't feel like, it didn't feel threatening. I mean, something that big could definitely charged through and stopped most of us. But they didn't do that, or they didn't do that, however many of these things there were. They were, I think, is just as interested in us as we were in them. To me, it really felt like that. It was a very mutual thing that we were meeting common ground every time we, you know,

at night we would go out to different areas or in the early morning or as the sunset, you know, the Choctaws did a lot of the drumming sessions as the sun went down. it seemed like, you know, we were there to experience each other in a way. It didn't seem that threatening. Other than the heavy tree crashing, that was pretty spooky, you know, because we felt like we were going to get charged or get run over, you know, possibly or tackled or stomped on or something. Yeah.

A lot of the tree crashing stuff happened extremely close. I mean, within six to ten feet at times. other times it was maybe 15 to 25 feet away but there were some times where there were large branches moving and being broken

snapped and the crushing it sounds just six to eight feet away from us and not seeing anything at all yeah and that's a nerving especially in the dark yeah now Mark was terrified he is quite a bit younger than me

and I'd known him for a long time we worked together for many years and he was just He was really shaken up. I mean, he, as he was kind of, I think it was a Saturday night, he had ventured off on his own a little bit. It was peeking into some really heavy shrubs and something huge moved in there and crushed. And you can see the ends of the shrubs and small tree branches like hit him in the face. And he jumped back screaming, running back to us.

And he was pretty shook up. But again, you know, they never. did anything. They never harmed anybody. There was one rock throne that hit a woman that was there on her knuckle, and it left a pretty cut the tissue a little bit and left a big red mark. It upset her a little bit, but, and that was in the middle of the day. It was about 11 o'clock in the morning. We were making breakfast and kind of

getting stuff put together to get out of there, and she got whacked on the knuckle with a small rock. It probably flew from, through the air, like 60 or 70 feet from the tree line. Yeah, it sounds like an amazing expedition. I think it's ironic you're out with federal employees, but it sounds like an amazing expedition. I want to ask you what you think they are, but before I do that, was there anything else strange that happened when you were there or anything else memorable? Yeah, you know, and this is where it gets really crazy.

And I had before had seen some documentaries about this potential almost like telepathic communication that they apparently might have. But the first night, Friday night that we went out in that same clearing where we saw one of these entities like standing behind the truck, I could hear an animal moving, not fast or crushing, you know, but these small twigs and you could tell it was it was probably bipedal. It was stepping as I was stepping. It was pretty close. And it began like not grunting, but like going, and it wasn't something I was hearing audibly. I was hearing it in my head. It was almost as if it was really hard to describe, but the sounds is like if you think of the sound of someone screaming,

but you don't hear someone screaming. It's experienced in that kind of way. That was single-handling the most freaky thing. And that was one of the first things I experienced next to the entity that stood behind the truck right when we got there. Those two things happened almost literally 10 minutes apart. Yeah, I would imagine that's unnerving. You know, I've heard other people talk about that, and I don't know what to make of that. You hear that a lot of alien encounters, too.

You hear where people, they'll say they hear stuff, but it's not with their ears or hearing it within their head. And I always wonder, you know, that should be concerning a little bit. this was Sasquatch and let's say it wasn't something else like a different entity, that should be a little concerning, don't you think? Or am I off on my thinking on that? That they would have an ability like that. You know, if, you know, I mean, who's to say what animals are capable of? Let's say there are millions of years advance beyond what we are. Let's say that they are, they've been here for millions of years before the evolution of

man. And there's plenty of theories behind that. where we come into play, the whole spectrum of animals. We seem to kind of pop out of nowhere, really. You know, you look at sharks with history going back millions of years where the bodies haven't really changed, you know, the jaw line, the backbones, things like that. There's bears, whales, fossils that you find in creatures. But man, it's kind of new on the scene, you know. It just seems like we kind of came out of nowhere really quickly.

if these creatures have been here, let's say for far, far longer than we have, maybe they're using parts of their brain that we don't understand and they've been able to develop. The one thing that gets me is if we're from, okay, if we're from this land,

if we're from this continent, why is it that man is the one creature that can't survive in the woods? What happens when man goes into the woods? He gets, eaten up by bugs. He can't eat half of what's out there. We just don't fit in very well. We're much better suited inside of a house, inside of a camper, inside of a car, inside of a tent, eating things that are highly modified, softened, cooked, what have you, most of out there nature, if we eat it raw,

we get sick. But it just makes me really wonder that these things have been here far longer than we have, and we just don't understand them. And maybe they are just a simple animal, and they have capabilities that are just beyond our comprehension. Yeah, it's hard to say. If you give Christopher Columbus a nuclear submarine and say, build two more of these. I mean, really. I see where it coming from on it. And, you know, I've never experienced the mindspeak, but I have talked to people who have

talked about that. And I believe them. I think that something's going on. What? I don't know. But they're definitely experiencing something. What do you think that they are? Dave, I know you kind of just alluded to it.

But what do you think that these creatures are? I think that they are a highly advanced species of hominid that has been around far, far, on what we know is modern man. And they have possibly abilities like a lot of how cephalpods, octopus and what have you have developed, along with communication features using, you know, frequency or sound waves. between each other, each other's brain. They have a brain that's quite a bit more advanced than ours. I got you. I don't know.

I don't know. Other than that, I really, I don't know what to make of it. It's hard to say. But it was very interesting, man. I'm really glad I went. And I had, I wanted to go with some of the most credible people that I could find. I wasn't going to go. I knew that, you know, a lot of these TV shows and the way that they're, you know,

like when the FRO is done and Matt Moneymaker and it's all. very much for TV. It was, what was that? I don't know. Over there, break for commercial, you know? And it was very structured, and it was silly to me. And I knew that that wasn't the way to go about it. It was disrespectful to whatever this thing is, and it's going to avoid you.

And it's avoiding, it definitely has an ability to do electronic equipment. And I was told that day one, because I brought some camera here down there with me. And the first thing they did, the guys are down there, they shook their head and said, dude, you're not bringing any of this. Did they say why? Did they say why? Why couldn't you bring a camera? Did they? Yeah, it says because they can see them and they know what they are and they avoid them.

And he says your chances are far, far less of ever seeing anything. If you've got camera equipment or anything with a flash or any of that stuff, just leave it all behind, just let go and just experience this, you know, face to face on your own with your own eyes. But you guys had night vision, right? That was the one thing, yeah. They did bring was the night vision. And can they see that? Probably.

Do they know if it records video or not? They did have video recorders with night vision, you know, attachments and things like that. They had tons of gear. I couldn't have told you everything that they had. But yeah, that's the one thing they did bring was night vision. That was it. And no flashlights.

definitely no flashlights. That really scares them off. And dogs. That's the other thing, too, is they really don't like dogs. Have ever gone back to that area? No. I've been wanting to for a long time. There's one other area.

It's called Big Cedar. It's north of Smithville, east of Onbe. I think it's Highway 256. It goes north of there. Big Cedar and the Ketor and the campgrounds to the east of Big Cedar, I've heard, are, is, the guys there told me that that's probably the second hottest spot for activity down there in southeastern Oklahoma. Where we were would be what they consider number one, which was south of Onaby.

In the Wachita forest area, there's a big ridge line. If you look on the map, south of Onabee, and then go east, and it's just uninhabited. forest area, very few people living down there. And that whole section, back to the highway, back to Smithville, that area is, they say it's some of the best activity you're going to find where you can kind of count on it, you know. It's one of those things I think you almost have to experience to really understand. But did it change your life at all?

I mean, you didn't really believe in Bigfoot. You go on this, you see this, you hear, I mean, everything, you got kind of the 360 to degree experience of these things. Did it change your life at all? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. I felt like I got to experience something that not many people get to experience, and it changed the way when I hear a lot of naysayers and people that joke and make cracks about, you know, oh, you people are crazy and you're seeing things, or you're out drinking in the woods

and stuff. Now, I just, when I hear that, I tell people, why don't you go down there for yourself. Go down there, go camping, and see what happens. And chances are you're going to have some kind of strange experience that you can't really explain. You might not be as intense as what we experience down there, but chances are you're going to see something. Now, and we're not the only people down there. My God. I mean, they have the Bigfoot festival down there and own a big.

every, I think every September now or October, which is the most where they have most of the sightings. And, you know, Jane Goodall came to one of the conferences down there. And they've got a lot of people in the scientific community that have chimed in with, you know, what they really think this might be or what it is or what it could be. Nobody really knows for sure. I think there are people that do. I think there's been a longstanding cover-up of this. for a long time.

You know, I know for the fact, there were Army operations and temporary military bases set up where there was, you know, known activity, especially in the Appalachia areas in the 1950s. I've talked to a lot of people

that had physically seen this themselves. Helicopters coming in, you know, just weird stuff. They give the indication that our military, our government has probably known about this, for a long time and there's been, I think, a long

ongoing cover-up of what this is. I think somebody out there knows a lot more than they're willing to talk about, probably a good number of people. But I'd like to see some of this declassified possibly if our military knows

about what this is or if there's any connection with what David Politis has looked into with the missing 411 and any of those types of situations, if there's a connection between the two, we should know about it. I mean, it's in our interest and our safety. If these entities or these interdimensional creatures or whatever they are, are responsible, possibly, for, you know, human abductions or the disappearance of children and families and what have you,

then we should know about it. Yeah, no. I've gone off onto that somewhat to investigate to see. what correlations there really are. I don't know of anybody, well, actually I do. There was a family that went missing down there in that area of Oklahoma. Really strange situations.

It was eerily like the missing 401 type scenarios, but what the connection is between the national parks and the disappearance of these people and the cover up behind it, there's no doubt in the world. The fact that the U.S. Department of Wildlife, along with national parks, don't keep, track of disappearances of people. I mean, come on. You know, and they won't release that information. I know Colitis has gone with FOIA and tried to get a lot of this information that's been denied

this. Really? You're denied information about people going missing? Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Why would you do that? Why would you do that, you know? Yeah, there's definitely... Yeah, it is disturbing. There's definitely cover up, and it's, it always cracks me up. I mean, you're out there with federal agents, and I know of two cops, in Georgia that go out all the time and look for them. So it's funny because you hear people in law enforcement actually going out looking for Bigfoot, yet the government, I don't know how long they can keep it up and say it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist.

Eventually it's going to come to a breaking point to where they're going to have to admit it exists. And that makes you worry. They should worry a little bit too. Like why would they cover it up? If it's nothing more than just a simple animal, you know, you don't think it's animal. But if it's nothing more than, let's say, an overgrown monkey, why cover it up? Makes no sense at all.

Makes absolutely no sense of why they would cover it up. It doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean, you can theorize all day long about, you know, why would, what's the benefit? Why would you cover this up?

What is it that we're not supposed to know about? I don't know. I don't know. I would love to know. Yeah, you and me both. You and me both. Well, Dave, I appreciate you coming on.

I really enjoyed talking with you and I enjoyed hearing the experience and I'm glad you got to experience it. No one got hurt for the most part of, you know, besides a couple nicks and bruises. But thank you so much for coming on and sharing it. Yeah, you bet. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance, please check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com for the additional membership and additional shows.

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