Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:466 Fire in the sky

Episode Date: September 4, 2018

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Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatchew. Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. I'm back from the International Bigfoot Conference. Had a blast. I mean, Russell, I want to give a shout out to Russell Accord really quick. He does such a great job at putting on a very smooth, very cool

conference. And I see the stress behind the scenes, but you'd never know it going to the conference. I mean, everything runs smoothly. Vendors are happy. Speakers are happy. I mean, it was awesome. It was absolutely awesome. And I sure hope he does it next year. So Russell, Corde, thank you for inviting me. You're gracious enough to invite me. And, you know, you're beyond kind to everyone. You know, I see how you treat the speakers, how you treat Bob, how you treat. You're just so kind everyone. Thank you so much, Russell. I can't say enough about the conference. I want to give a shout out to Miriam. I hope you made it home safe. Miriam's mother, it was nice talking to you on the phone. She flew out all the way from Connecticut. Had a great time. Bethany, another one,

larger than life. Bethany, it was great meeting you. Thank you so much for coming out to the conference. And I want to shout out my boys in the UK, James and Tom. James came down and and we talked for a long time and had a great time. Guys, thanks so much. And I wish I could shout out everyone. The fans are too good to me. You guys are too kind, too sweet. And I really appreciated meeting everyone I met.

And it was just, it was awesome. It was absolutely awesome. My favorite part of the conference, they showed this video of, it's Bob Gimlin. And I remember when Bob and Russ were, let me pull up the name of it real quick. Bob Gimlin, the legend of Bigfoot. And so Russell, and I knew about this way before it was actually put out. And they were telling me about the concept of Bob narrating what happened up there on the mountain when they got the film. And there's a lot of cool things in the film.

I don't think most people know. But it was, and I remember when they first told me about it. I was like, I don't know, guys. An animated film. I don't know. My heart sank a little bit. And I was like, I don't know how this turned out, guys. You know, I'll support you either way, but I really hope it's not hokey.

And I didn't think it would be because Russell's very, he wants to make sure, you know, Bob is, is, is classy and everything he's involved in is classy. So he does watch after Bob, but I got to tell you, it was awesome. The film was freaking awesome. It was so cool to see. And the animation was cool because it puts you right in the moment. And Bob's telling the story, and he's narrating what's happening. and there's just so much to what actually happened. You know, and Bob's told me about when they were leaving,

they got stuck in the mud, and there was mud slides, and he didn't really, when you watched a film, you're like, you guys are lucky to be alive. You're lucky you didn't get washed down that mountain. I had a great time, and I hope Netflix or someone picks it up, because I think the audience, the people out there, the fans of Bob, would love to see this film. I mean, it was awesome.

So I had a great time. I want to thank all the fans again. I wish I could shout out everyone. I really do appreciate you guys. You guys are Sasquatch Chronicles. The fans really are Sasquatch Chronicles. And it was so cool to see the shirts and people love the show. It meant a lot to me.

It really, really meant a lot to me. I want to thank you guys. But tonight I got Travis Walton. I'll play my interview for you guys here in a moment. But Travis Walton, fire in the sky. I don't know if you guys have seen the movie. I want to say it came out in the late 80s, early 90s of when he was actually abducted by aliens. And it's a fascinating account.

I realize it's a Bigfoot show, but it was Travis Walton. I was like, I've got to get this guy. I've got to hear this. You know, I've been a fan of that encounter for so long. And it's always fascinated me, always fascinated me. So I hope you guys enjoy my interview with him tonight. And if you haven't seen the Fire in the Sky movie, go watch it. And then I'll also be talking to Adam Davis. Adam is, I love Adam. It's been a while since he's been on the show. He'll be sharing the things he's been doing recently. Some expeditions, we'll talk about the ring pendic, we'll talk about the Olmas and Neanderthals. And Adam's just a great guy to talk to. So I hope you guys really enjoy this show tonight. Let's jump into it. Here's my interview with Travis Walton. Take a listen.

Travis, thank you so much for coming on and thank you so much for taking the time to come on. I know it's late. For the audience listening, it's after 10 o'clock. But it's been a long day. Yeah, well, thanks for having me. And, you know, it's kind of unusual for me to, you know, attend a Bigfoot conference. But it's, there's actually, you know, things in common with the UFO community. It's a group of people who are frequently.

confronted the resistance of the general public to something that they in their personal lives know to be true. Yeah, you're right. There is a lot of correlations. You know, and I've talked to a lot of people who've actually either encountered them, aliens I'm talking about, either encountered them or abductions. And my heart goes out to them because it's one of those situations to where you don't know what the right thing to say is. You don't really know what the right thing to, because it's hard to

relate. Unless it's happened to you, it's very, very hard to relate. Wouldn't you agree with that? I mean, no one can say, hey, Travis, I know how you felt. Well, unless you were hit by a light coming out of a craft and taken away for five days, no, you don't know. You have no clue what it's like. Well, you know, I think, you know, in spite of the fact that the Paramount movie, you know, had some fictional departures from the what really happened. I think it does leave people with the kind of emotional impact that we actually experienced. And, you know, in that sense, a movie is a kind of a vicarious sharing of experience that people can, you know, better relate to what happened.

And I noticed that in the aftermath of the showing of the movie going public that people did seem to identify more with what we've been through. Yeah. And I want to ask you, before we get into the encounter, and you're gracious enough to share the encounter, and I'm well aware of you've shared it a million times, and you're probably sick of talking about it. But up on the Mogion Rim, when you guys were doing lumber, and you guys were tearing down trees and you guys were up there,

did you ever experience anything beyond just aliens? I mean, was there any Bigfoot-type vocals or did you ever experience anything audit there? Well, I've certainly heard reports from other people who have shared their experiences. You know, there was a young man on another crew who was pretty traumatized by what he described as definitely an encounter with a large hairy creature. I personally haven't seen such a thing, but I've heard many stories over the years. And, you know, I heard about what's called the Mogadion monster for years before anybody even coined the term Bigfoot, you know, for these large hairy beings. Yeah. And you still hear about that today, the Moggiang monster up on the Mogian Rim. I mean, there's still encounters to this day of people running into it.

But would you take us back, Travis, to that night when you guys were leaving the area and what I find fat, well, and I don't want to. take too much of the story yet, but you guys are leaving an area, and light's so bright, you guys think it's a fire, and you can correct me if I'm wrong. Well, it wasn't especially bright. It was just a glow that was out of place in the woods. You know, normally you just wouldn't see any kind of light. One of the first thoughts was maybe some deer hunters, you know. It was deer hunting season. We'd heard shots in the distance that day, and that was the first thought. But the light was coming from higher up than any sort of a, you know, tent or campfire would have been. So it was well above ground level. And it recalled to mine for us, you know, our encountering a tree that had

been hit by lightning the night before and was on fire up high. And we, you know, we got out and put the fire out, of course, but that's where the name of the movie, Fire in the Sky, came from, is that, you know, We were wondering if this was a similar fire that had started. But that was just an initial impression. We were just nothing that we could come up with that it might be. Could it be the sun going down? But, you know, that was quite a bit earlier. Could it be the moon?

No, we can see that in a different direction. You know, any sort of a thing. It wasn't all alarming or anything at first that, It was just kind of like idle curiosity at first. But the longer it went, the more it wasn't fitting in with things, and the more focused, the attention of the whole crew became on what the heck could that glow be. Was it like a red color? Can you describe the color?

No, no. The Paramount movie made it look like molten lava. It was described by, you know, some of the crew as looking like molten metal, but it was more the color of like white hot, you know, like molten steel being, you know, poured liquid, you know, when it's so hot that there's barely any yellow to it anymore, it's giving off almost a white light. But it never looked like it was depicted in the movie, Loo, which looked more. like a pool of red molten lava.

And that wasn't accurate. When you saw the lights, was it coming from a certain part of the craft? Well, go ahead and just tell us what happened. And then I'll, I don't want to cut. I feel like I'm cutting ahead. You know, just idle curious. I said, I don't know what that could be. And then I said, Mike, hurry up and get up there where we can see what it is.

Because I could see that the light was coming through a break in the trees. and it was sort of washing across the road ahead. So I knew that, you know, at that point, we'd have a clear view of the source of the light. So closer we got to that, the more, you know, intense the crew's attention became. And when we got to that point, you know, I call it, burst into the clearing in a way, that, you know, we could suddenly see it, and it was just, there was just no mistake in what we were looking at. One of the guys in the back, I think it was Alan Dallas, yelled out, it's a flying saucer, or it's a spaceship, something like that.

As if anybody needed to say what it was, it was less than 100 feet away, a glowing metallic disk, and not, you know, unmistakable. And the skeptic suggestion that what we actually saw was the planet Jupiter is just laughing. absurd, you know, there's just no way, this was not a tiny point of light off in the distance. This was a clearly defined object. Yeah, that argument might hold up to like an eight-year-old, but not to a grown man, you know, especially when you see that. But what compelled you? So you guys pull up, you guys see this saying, and most people have seen the movie, but

you guys see this saying and it's hovering, what compelled you to get out of the truck? Was it just curiosity? or... I'd say Kiar. I'd say it had a whole heck of a lot to do with it. And an assumption that this thing was going to take off and be gone in a very short period of time. You know, very often the crew is driving down the road

and will catch sight of some animal and, you know, try to say, hey, look over there, it's a bobcat or whatever. And by the time their attention is, you know, directed in the... in that direction, it's already gone. So it was my thinking when I got out of that truck heading towards it, that this thing would be gone before I had gone very far.

A couple of the other guys have insisted that to them it looked like I was in some kind of a trance, you know? But, you know, turning around looking back at the crew, I'd say everybody looked entranced, you know what I mean? We were, you know, in complete awe of what we were seeing, It was astonishing, you know, and the look on our face, everybody's face probably would have been one of total astonishment. So. I bet looking back, you wish Dallas would have gotten out.

He's a bad guy in the movie for everyone. And I asked Travis about Dallas, but I'm not trying to like, I don't want to bash Dallas. But I remember thinking, I wish he would have gotten out instead of Dwight Travis have to get out. Why couldn't that guy get out? because you know like the way the movie played it off you're like I want to see that guy hit with a beam of light well I definitely had my confrontations with him you know he could be

somebody to contend with at times and and that was the case with him yeah no I can imagine so you get out you're looking at this thing and at what point it hits you with the light, everyone's seen it in the movie, it hits you with the light, can you describe the sound of the craft sitting there and describe what it felt like hitting you with that light? Because of the way, it's very violent in the movie. When it hits you, it throws the actor through the air.

No, actually, I'd say it was more violent, isn't that strange, than the movie portrayed it? I think the problem was they were afraid somebody might be looking down at their popcorn and missed that at the point in the movie. And so they tried to drag it out. They made it look like the light came on and held the actor there and kind of just, you know, held him for a little bit, for it tossed him back. But it was more, you know, from what everybody describes it as just a blast of energy that just threw me through the air so violently that they, immediately concluded that it had killed me. You know, he's dead. They said they were yelling at each other.

He's dead. He killed him. And there was no mistaking that. John's description of my body landing like a sack of meat, like there wasn't a bone in my body, you know, spoke to the fact that, you know, the violence of it was so powerful. You know, to literally throw you through the air 15 or 20 feet

is, you know, I find no fault with those guys taken off at that point. They did what anybody with any smarts would do is get the heck away from the danger. There's no point in getting somebody else killed to save a dead man. Yeah, I understand that, I guess to a point. And I think you're very forgiving saying that because I think deep down I would still hold some resentment that the guys left me there. But I think you're a very big man saying that. what did it feel like to be hit with that light? Can you describe for someone who's never seen the movie

doesn't know what we're talking about. This light comes out of this craft, hits you, throws you through the air. For the audience, can you describe what that felt like? Well, you know, anybody who's worked on machinery or worked around various things might have felt what it's like to get shocked with some electricity, you know, touch a wire.

some freight insulation or something. It had an electric shock sort of a feeling if you've ever touched a sparklet wire or something like that. But at the same time, quite a bit like a physical blow. If you've ever been run into violently, you know, didn't see it coming. The sudden stunning shock of that all rolled into one. But, you know, very quickly, you know, losing consciousness. Can I ask you to, there's two questions. I want to ask you. One is, did the craft

make a sound? Yeah, yeah, I did. The closer I got to it, the more I became aware of the sound it was making. From our point in the truck, hearing that the higher pitches were more a dominant

part of the sound, but it was a very complex sound, a mixture of high tones and low tones, that actually seemed to go off the range of human hearing, both on the high end and the low end. And very hard to describe. I once gave a talk to a group of engineering students at a technical institute, and they were keenly interested in the type of sounds. I worked as hard as I could to describe it to them in a way that would be meaningful.

I think what they were looking for is some clue as to what powered this thing in terms of lift and, you know, propulsion and whatnot. But a real high-pitched sort of a sound that sort of seemed to change with the position of your head, a very deep throbbing to it that you felt in your body as much as hurt in your ears. And some of the guys in the truck said you could feel it, vibrating the truck with that frequency.

Yeah, I can't imagine being in that group. I'd be terrified, especially seeing you thrown through the air. And my heart goes out to a lot of those guys because you get the impression, and you knew them, Travis, so, you know, I'm kind of talking on my butt here, but you get the impression. Most of them were pretty good guys, and they really were concerned about you. They really were worried about you. They were, even though they thought you were dead.

Can I ask you before we talk about what happens, next, why do you think they hit you with that beam of light? Well, I'm not so certain anymore that they had hit me in any sort of a deliberate firing of a weapon, although that's one possibility. I went through a whole range of possibilities of what this energy might be. And some people trying to explain it away actually come up with some pretty unusual concepts. You know, the Mogyon Rim being a giant fault line there, it was speculated that there had been some kind of an earthquake and that this was like what they call earthquake lights, where, you know, it generates a kind of like an earth to sky sort of a lightning bolt generated by the, you know, torsion in the rocks, underneath the earth.

Supposedly, trying to explain this away, of course, some of this energy came up out of the earth, came through my body, and caused me to hallucinate. This was a pretty elaborate theory that Dr. Persinger came up with, but it just fails miserably in explaining how could seven people have the same hallucination. Certainly, this supposed earthquake light couldn't have passed through them too.

You know, it just didn't make any sense. But that's one possibility. Another possibility that it actually was actual lightning, since that part of the Mogion Rim there has the second highest frequency of lightning strikes of any place in the continental United States. If that was lightning caused by this feature, perhaps,

It had actually struck the craft and then as a secondary discharge passed through me on its way to ground. There's a number of possibilities. The descriptions that were given by the lawmen interviewing these people and putting in their report was, you know, one described it as looking like a foot-wide blue laser beam, another describing it is looking like a long blue flame another described it as being like a lightning bolt and so you know this blast of energy it was actually also compared to like stepping on a landmine

or you know something of that nature so you get hit with this light the guys take off and what's your next memory that you remember well you know it's not my favorite part of the description, but I woke up on board the craft. Didn't know where I was at first. Eventually, you know, came to remember approaching the craft and then thinking that perhaps I'd somehow been injured and taken to a hospital.

Because I knew I was on some kind of raised surface. I felt this device across my chest. It was a light above me. The ceiling seemed closer than it ought to be, so it seemed like I was on some sort raised surface, not laying on the floor, but in a very, you know, half there in and out sort of a barely conscious sort of a feeling. At the same time, feeling a lot of pain, you know, a feeling of suffocation, a feeling of impending danger or something that generated a tremendous amount of fear in me. But, you know, what could be wrong? What are the, what are the doctors up to?

Thinking I'm in a hospital, thinking that these are doctors, I'm hearing moving around me. But when I, my vision finally cleared, and I could see these beings, you know, I just, I knew where I was, and it was an incredible burst of fear and adrenaline that went through my body that gave me enough strength to get off of the table. This device they had on top of me fell off. And I just grabbed for something to defend myself with, flailing at them, and, you know, making threatening, striking sorts of movements. They, at that point, had begun to approach me,

but, you know, hadn't really gotten kind of. close enough to where I could, within striking distance. I was just flailing away in a way to sort of try to scare them away from coming any closer, screaming the whole time, just, you know, basically out of my mind with fear, just totally hysterical, you know, to the max, maximum fear, more fear than I've ever felt any time in my entire life. But it was the feeling of being mortally wounded that something was terribly wrong inside. and then feeling trapped. But above all, the feeling of suffocation.

Nothing adds to panic more than the feeling of suffocation. You know, I've made the comparison to waterboarding, you know, an interrogation technique that, you know, everybody involved knows it's not going to be fatal. They've even trained for it, but it still works because it generates a level of fear that's like nothing else. So, you know, this over-the-top fear in this dimly lit environment, very cramped quarters, a real claustrophobic sort of feeling.

but my driving thought at that moment was escape of course they left the room abruptly hopefully you know as a response to my combativeness I went looking for a way out I encountered another type of being that I at first took to be a human being in later, you know, thoughts, I think that they were probably not actual humans,

but some type of being close enough to, I think, probably just chosen because I took them to be human and that I, you know, became less combative, of course, you know, that if they were trying to in some way give me some sort of medical treatment and help me to recover from the effects of being hit with that energy, then it was important that I cooperate. And once I became combative with these small creatures and my fear of them was not going to be overcome in any timely manner. So I think, you know, whether these, you know, people have offered various theories,

these human-looking beings were actually some sort of an illusion or some sort of mechanical or other sort of method just used to make me think that something that looked kind of human would help me out of there. But whatever it was, whatever these beings were, I don't think it's too far-fed. for there to be alien creatures quite similar to humans. I also don't think that it's too far-fetched for there to be various things that get lumped into the category of, quote, grays that are actually very similar species that just, you know. Can I ask you a question? So the first entities you ran into were not human-looking. They were very much like what people describe as the small grays.

that you ran into. Yeah. Is that correct? Yeah. If you could have got your hands on one of them, do you think you would have killed one of them? Well, I think, you know, they were probably, even in my weakened condition like that,

you know, my advantage of being so much larger than them was so clear cut and, you know, probably would have done a lot of serious harm. And on top of that, I think that they probably were trying to, gain some sort of telepathic control. And I've heard you talk about that and they couldn't. There's a couple questions I want to ask. One, the feeling is suffocation. Do you think that was because of your injuries or do you think that was because of the ship you're on?

Well, I don't know. It could be either one. You know, it could have been on account of the injuries. But I'm today in discussions with artists about recreating these. scenes, it became more obvious to me that it was probably more likely to do with some sort of a quality in the atmosphere inside that craft, because I did notice a fairly clear-cut difference once I exited the craft. Well, and I want to...

I'm feeling much better as far as being able to breathe. Yeah, and I don't make it off, and I want to get to that. So you run into these alien, and they don't show this part in the movie, and I wish they would have, because it's fascinating. name to me. And what you said is the first thing I thought of. I thought maybe the Grays, here's my theory, here's my Hibbilly theory. Maybe the Grays went back and said, this guy's freaking out, sending someone that looks more human-like, so he won't freak out. But what do you think, Travis? I mean, you were there. I mean, I don't know. You were there. Do you think it was a separate

entity that you ran into? Or do you think they were presenting themselves as human to get you to calm down a little bit and stop fighting. Well, you know, the first alternative you offered there is probably just the most simplest, you know, that there being, I think, quite a wide variety of types of beings visiting this planet and, you know, probably quite a bit of inner communication amongst them as distinct from having very limited communication with Earth people. And so the easiest thing would just be find somebody that can gain his trust and getting back under anesthesia and get these medical problems dealt with. Well, what's fascinating is you do, and I don't know the alien community in as much as I know the Bigfoot world, but I know in the alien community, there is a type of alien that looks more human like.

What do they call it? They call it the... Well, nowadays they're calling it. but, you know, I don't think they had that term back then, as well, the term grays. I don't think they had that term. I'd never heard such a thing. And, you know, I never even described them as being, quote, gray. It was some grayish-white maybe.

You know, they were very pale in their metal coloring. And when you looked into the eyes of those beings, I mean, could you see there was intelligence or was it just black? Oh, they was definitely an intelligence. It wasn't just black, you know. I know many people described them as having just a solid black eye, but these beings definitely had an iris, a pupil, eyelids that blinked.

And it's my theory that they're being there in their own environment that they at that point didn't need the kind of, black eye covering that probably explains the appearance of other ones that are called grays. You know, see, anything with really large eyes is probably something that exists for most of the time in a very low-light environment. You know, something that lives deep under the sea or a cave-dwelling animal or something that's strictly nocturnal is more likely to have a very large eye. So these large eyes on this type of beings, the so-called grace, it suggests to me, and even their power, the paleness suggests low levels of light.

And so in their own comfortable environment, would not have this sort of sunglasses kind of a filter even necessary. So that could be one explanation. The whole story fascinates me. So you run into, you end up acting like you're going to fight these grays, even though you're really in no condition of fight. But you put up a good fight and they leave. So you leave the room. You go into this other room and you run into a human-looking creature.

But he doesn't talk to you. He never once even says anything to you. Did you, when you walked up to him, and I know, because I've heard you talk about it in interviews and I got your book, but you're trying to communicate with that. this guy. You're like, let's get the hell out of here. Right. And did he ever look at you or did his expression ever change when he? Yeah, his expression did change. It seemed to be, you know, as sort of a sympathetic but sort of a tolerant attitude because, you know,

here I'm acting hysterical. I'm basically a raving maniac. So he's not communicating, but, you know, I thought mostly likely because of this helmet that he was wearing and thinking well maybe he can't talk with that on or hear clearly with it on so you know i i wasn't too alarmed by the lack of response to my questioning um even even even though i was out of my mind and hysterical and yelling you know um i kind of on one level understood that I wasn't exactly something to have a calm conversation with. So I went with him. You know, it was clear to be that, you know, he was going to lead me out of there. And that was exactly what I wanted to get me out of here. Well, and here's the interesting part of the

story. So when you met up with this guy, you guys walked, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, Travis, but you guys walk out of the craft you were in almost into a bigger craft like it had been docked. And I know you had mentioned several times you could almost breathe like the air was, you could finally breathe some air. And do you think that was because of the atmosphere in that other craft compared to this cramped little disc you were in being kind of stuffy? Do you think it was just more airflow going through there? Or do you think it was more of? There could, but it could have actually been a much higher level of oxygen. There had to have been some oxygen in there.

I mean, it was possible to survive, but it just seemed easier breathing once we exited that craft. And the other question I want to ask you, sorry, I felt like such a fanboy, I'm like, let me ask you, let me ask you. The humanoid creature you ran into, the entity, could he put he? pass for a human? If you threw a jacket on him and let him walk down the street? Yeah, he certainly could, yeah. He would pass for human. Once I saw more of his kind together, it was kind of odd to me that they had a sort of a resemblance. You know, even though this guy might have, you know, stood out a little bit from people. When you see a bunch of them together and they're all similar and like family sort of resemblance, that's kind of odd.

You know, you don't normally see that. You know, when we encounter a group of adults, they can vary pretty dramatically in their appearance. That's interesting. So you thought that it actually looked like these were his siblings because they had similar appearance? Yeah. Some kind of a similarity that was, you know, greater than chance.

And so he walks you back. And I can put myself in your position. I mean, him looking human like, I probably would have followed him too. but they lead you back and then what happens next and do you ever see their grays again? No, I didn't ever see the grays again. I think not to say that I know for sure they weren't continuing to be involved, but whether these human-looking individuals completely took over

what I think was probably some sort of a medical process, something involved in trying to. to correct the damage done from that blast of energy, or whether, you know, they turned me back to the custody of these small creatures. Maybe their technology was better at dealing with the problem. But I do believe that, you know, that feeling of being wounded, you know, was the main factor there that the difference between how I felt once I was rendered unconscious there to when I came to again.

Well, explain that. So they walk you into a room, this guy, you're walking with him, and what happens? You walk into a room full of human-looking, kind of similar, you know, and what happens? Well, the beings that he left me with did not wear helmets like him. So at that point, there was no more reason to think that they would have any justifiable reason not to respond to my questions. So I was extremely anxious, even though I was in the custody of what I believed to be rescuing humans, still, you know, as reasonable to expect, you're going to tell me, what are you doing with me, what's becoming of me, am I going to, you know, am I going to be okay, what's going on?

And to get nothing in response sort of started renewing my panic and, fear about what, what, you know, was in store for me. And so what happens next? He walks into this room, you see other humans, or human-like creatures, and what happens next? What do they do next? Well, they tried to get me to lay on this table, and, you know, I'd just come off of a table where I felt extremely trapped, and I was not going to cooperate until they would

tell me something, you know? So I started saying, you know, I'm not doing this. You've got to tell me what are you doing? What are you doing with me? And they wouldn't answer. And they were trying to force me on the table then. And so then I started really resisting. And I was in a pretty weakened state.

And I think they were probably pretty strong beings. They felt very strong. and didn't really have that much trouble getting me down on that table, putting this mask over my face, which caused me to lose unconsciousness. It's nothing special just a mask like an oxygen mask. No hoses that I could see connected to it, but something in it caused me to lose consciousness.

Do you wake up on the road after that? Yeah, yeah, I woke up on the road. But, you know, how soon after, you know, I had no way of knowing how much time had passed. Was this mere minutes after? Probably not, because, you know, that pain and feeling of being wounded was gone. But, you know, was it a matter of hours, days? At that point, I had no clue how long I'd been gone. Once I made my way to phone booth and my family came to get it.

me. They could tell that I was under the impression this was still the same night as when the incident began. But that's when I learned that no, five days had gone by. And that's a part, I'm glad you brought that up because I wanted to ask you that, because I'm sure at the time you weren't thinking about pain or how much pain you were in, but looking back now at that moment, you weren't as much pain as you were on the ship. It's almost like they fixed you. Right. That's what I think happened. Yeah. And, you know, because of the memory of the level of fear and panic that I was in, you know,

it was a lasting trauma, you know, that stayed with me for quite some time. It took me, you know, months, actually years probably, to just really, you know, come to connect with the idea that what happened there had to do with trying to correct the damage that this blast of energy it caused. Yeah, and I wanted to ask you that because I always thought, you know, you hear people being abducted and, you know, they're almost like a lab rat. But in your case, it almost seems like, and please correct me if I'm wrong because I wasn't there, but it almost seems like they were trying to help you. They were trying to fix what, you know,

Maybe some new guy press a button and you got hit with the laser and they were like, well, we got to, you know, we can't leave them here. We got to, it almost feels like they were trying to help you. I mean, do you feel that way now or do you feel like? Yeah, you know, because, you know, although whatever the circumstances were, it seems to have been an accident. I'm sure they would have better ways of, you know, incapacitating. If all they did was just want to take somebody aboard, I don't think of the, I don't think of the, would use that powerful of a blast. I do think it was some kind of an in-accident,

some kind of unexpected thing that caused a degree of harm beyond what was expected. And then, you know, the nearest hospital was over an hour away. Probably what happened there would have been permanently fatal without their intervention with technology. that was capable of reversing that incredible level of trauma. Do you ever look back now as not the young man, Travis, but, you know, after time has gone by, and do you ever look back and go, I wish that would have never happened?

I wish that night would have never, because it's kind of a double-edged sword, you know, because you have become the face of, I don't want to say alien encounters, but you really have. You've opened the door for people who didn't have the heart to come out and talk about either an abduction or seeing something. And you were kind of the one of the guys to step forward and say, not necessarily my choice, but you step forward and say,

hey, this happened to me. Do you ever look back on it and go, if I could go back in time, I would have avoided that whole situation. I would have never got out on the truck. I would have told Mike to go the opposite direction. Absolutely, you know. In spite of, you know, you always have to try to make the best of any situation and go forward. You know, I'd still rather it never happened. But, you know, facing and coming to grips with the fact that it did happen and there's no escaping it, I can't undo what happened.

I've got to move forward and make the best of it as best I can. So, you know, I've kind of, you know, been on a mission, so to speak, not to sound, you know, highfalutin, but, you know, a determination to educate as many people and try to make something good come of it to help people realize it's just a real fundamental thing that this phenomenon is real, that we're not alone in the universe, and that, you know, it's hard as it was to come to the conclusion that it's probably not any sinister intention. You know, I've thought long and hard about this, decades, and I really think that if they had any bad intentions, we'd never know what hit us. I mean, with that level of technology, if they wanted plant a dirt for themselves, there'd be nothing we could do about it, you know. The idea that they would need to carry on some sinister plot that would take decades,

it's just ridiculous to me. Also, the mere fact that they would possess the kind of technology on such a vast scale that if they had not grown well beyond the sort of warlike and, you know, tendencies that humans have, they would have destroyed themselves. So the mere fact that they're still alive is still there means that they've gotten beyond that. And, you know, I've always had a faith that doing good is the smart thing to do. And if they are so much smarter than us, then probably their moral and ethical development has kept pace with their technological progress.

What do you think that they are? Do you think it's really another life form from a different planet, or do you get the sense that this was something else? Yeah, you know, I do think that they are, that's the most likely the simplest explanation, that there are another life form from another planet. Probably not traveling in any conventional way we would recognize, but you've got to take into consideration just how advanced they could be.

It's been pointed out that almost everything technological that we have is only a few hundred years old. And if you can picture that we've come this far in that short a period of time, how far would we or them be able to go in hundreds of thousands of years, millions? I mean, who could begin to guess what kinds of advances that would be made? And the ability to move from place to place could take some surprising forms for a technology that advanced. It could be involved something that we might call interdimensional or time travel or something of that nature. You know, the basic laws of physics become anybody, game at that point

there's so far beyond anything we can begin to imagine so yeah yeah it's hard to say people that try to explain a way will know this this can't be I don't want it to be so

you know try to explain it as something else well you have to realize too it's it's uncomfortable to hear a Travis Walton story it's very uncomfortable because it's out of our norm. It's like hearing a Bigfoot encounter.

It's not supposed to be. That's not supposed to be here. And it's the same thing with these. Did anyone come to you from the government tell you to shut your mouth, quit talking about this? Not to me, but I think some of the crew got indications

to try to suppress it. And basically, most of it came in the form of attacks in the public to try to discredit us. And, you know, fundamental, basic propaganda techniques, you know, ridicule character assassination, you know, just the stuff you see in politics every day. Well, the problem is, is it doesn't fit too well, you know, it's almost like if someone, if I didn't believe in aliens and someone was telling me, well, there's a fault line up there on the Mongolian Rim or Magulian Rim and lightning came down and it just makes more sense that maybe an alien ship actually did show up

you know what I mean? It's like you try so hard to explain away. Everything they tried to throw out us, you know, was explainable away in a way that made the explainer seem kind of silly to even be put this forward to try to claim that it was any form of

hallucination as absurd because seven people are just not going to have the same hallucination. And never mind that I had medical tests through official agencies that prove there wasn't a trace of any drug in my body whatsoever. Well, and that always crashed me up because you hear that in Bigfoot counters. They're like, what were you smoking? What were you drinking? Listen, I've drank a lot and I've smoked a lot in my life. And I've never had delusions of grandeur about.

aliens or so it's such a ridiculous argument that sometimes these skeptics come forward with trying to say well you know he was they were on something or well you seven guys aren't gonna all like you said seven guys aren't going to all who elucinate the same story just doesn't doesn't make sense yeah and you know just explanation after explanation just flies in the face of documentable facts you know my and i'm it's so thankful you showed back up or they lunch you go. Because my heart did go out to those guys. Because when you watch the movie, I can almost put myself in that position. And I'm sure all of those guys felt guilt for leaving you. And then you vanished. And they're trying to explain this craft. And they're trying to explain. And if I was law enforcement at that time, I would look at these guys, especially that Dallas character. And I'd be like, one of these guys killed Travis. And we're going to find out real quick who it is. Well, because, you know, one of the fundamental questions in the polygraph series was, did you have any harmful intentions toward Travis?

And a few days before that, we had actually got into a physical fight. You know, he was going to flunk that, even though he did not kill me, you know, it would make him look guilty. So, you know, that led to quite a bit of conflict between him and law enforcement people. And so, you know, to picture what they went to, you know, John, traveling down the street and having people yell out, where'd you hide the body and murderer and that sort of thing? Imagine Steve, his own mother thinking that he might have killed me

because it was easier to believe that a murderer had occurred than that such a thing could be encountered. And so once he passed the light detector to us, he goes to her and says, see, I told you we didn't murder him. And she says, Well, okay, maybe you did see something, but it wasn't aliens. It was demons.

If you really don't want to believe something, you'll find the answer for something. Yeah, you'll find a way to concoct a reason not to believe it. Yeah. And that's why I say my heart goes out to those guys because I can put myself in that position and trying to convince there's even a scene in the movie. And I don't know if it happened in real life or not. You know, you have to take all that grain salt. but we're Mike's wife. Mike was your good friend.

At least in the movie, that's how they portrayed it. You guys were good buddies. And his wife almost questioning him. Yeah. And was it his sister-in-law? Is that who? Yeah. Yeah.

And she was asking him. And when he watched that scene, man, your heart's got to go out to Mike because he's telling the truth and no one believes him. Oh, yeah. Even his loved ones don't believe. And some of my family accusing them of, Your brother didn't? Wasn't your brother?

One of my brothers was thinking that they had committed a murder. So the whole question of murder hanging over the thing to begin with is just really put the community in a panic and added to the pressure for these guys that was just over the top. So like, you know, how do you deal with such a thing? It's nothing like anybody they've ever heard of. Dr. Harder pointed out that if you had six people come in and say that they had witnessed the murder and they're all telling the same story, that's practically open and shut. And if these six people all pass light detector tests, I mean, that's good enough to convict somebody of murder and have them be given the death penalty.

But somehow when it involves aliens, oh, well, no, well, you know. they still, it's not good enough. Yeah. And so it'll never be good enough. You know, for people who don't want to believe it, they'll always come up with. Well, you know what's fascinating. I told you this earlier when you and I were talking. And I'll say to you now, my dad was the biggest skeptic on the planet.

He didn't believe in Bigfoot, didn't believe in aliens, didn't believe in nothing. And I remember I watched the movie fire in the sky. My dad goes, oh, yeah, I remember back when that was on the news. I remember those guys. And I asked him, I said, Dad, what do you think? And my dad and father was the biggest skeptic on the planet. He goes, I believe those guys.

I think what they said happened actually happened. And that, you know, I know that doesn't mean much to you, but it meant a lot to me because I was like, holy crap, man. This guy, my dad was skeptic, man, hard-nosed skeptic. He'd be the guy saying it was swamp gas. It was Venus. It was lightning strikes. He was that guy.

And I remember he was like, oh yeah, I remember when that was on the news. Yeah, when Travis disappeared and he goes, I believe those guys. I think what he says happened actually happened. And I was so taken back by that. But it's such a compelling story because the minute you try and take apart the story, just like you and I were talking, it almost becomes more ridiculous than maybe what you said happened actually happened because you're trying so hard to explain away. Do you know what I'm trying to say? Yeah. Well, you know, back then, Anybody who believed life from other worlds, they fit into what was, you know, pretty much generally recognizes being a kook. Yeah. But, you know, based on actual science today, you know, you've got to come face to face with the, if the definition of a kook is someone who believes something at odds with prevailing scientific opinion, it's the person who thinks we're alone in the universe. who fits the definition of kook i would agree yeah because it makes no sense you're right um how did this affect you later in life i mean because you had to deal with i because there's got to be PTSD from this there has to be PTSD from this from what you went through all the nonsense with

people thinking you well you went on a vacation for five days and i know you've had every Dick and the world come along and say, well, you know, he's trying to make a buck, he's trying to do this. Beyond all of that, just the experience itself, how did that affect you throughout your life? Well, you know, I had to get on with my life and make a living. And so it became a problem. You know, I think there were many times where I didn't get the job or the promotion just on account of something that happened to me. years before. So it was just, it's always been an ongoing battle and I think over time I'm slowly making some kind of progress in that regard in terms of people in immediate contact

with my life and with the wider world in general. And like I said, it's kind of my mission, my goal in going forward. I certainly can't unlive it. Can't change what happened. So I've got to do what I can to just try to make something good come of it. No, I understand. And that's very respectable, by the way. But I wanted, the other question I want to ask you is, do you think the government's covering it up and why?

And it almost seems like it seems like a ridiculous question asked because on the surface, there were six of you guys, right? Was there six or seven? There were seven. Seven together. So you got seven guys here. who are out there in lumber that get taken away in a ship and you're telling me the government doesn't know about it. You know, it seems almost ridiculous to even think of a thing.

But do you think that they're covering up and do you have a feeling why? Well, I think the government definitely knows more than we do because they're collecting a lot of knowledge. They don't share with everyone. but I don't agree with people who think this automatically implies that the government has some nefarious motive. I really think for the most part, the motive is probably in our own best interest. You know, when I analyze all the reasons they might want to conceal what they do know, it has to do with the fact that, unfortunately, we do have geopolitical.

enemies that might be sort of discouraged from any temptation to launch a sneak attack or something if they are kept uncertain about what level of technology our government might have recovered from some of these crashes or whatever. So I don't believe that our government's in cahoots with some nefarious alien species that's slowly planning on taking over the earth. I think that's absurd. So the government's more like a bystander. They know what's going on. They probably know more than we do, but they're not in bed with what's going on.

Anything that, you know, all these people say, they should just open. the books and share with us everything, you know, just because they want to know. But you got to realize that whatever they share with the American public is automatically shared with our enemies too. That's true. And it would be foolish for them to let that information out. Not only what we do know, but to the extent to what we don't know. Yeah.

Keep the enemy guessing and gives you some degree of safety in that. Yeah. Well, Travis Walton, everyone, I told the audience I would do my best to get an interview with them and he was gracious enough to come in and retell the story. I know I played the interview of him talking about his encounter and a lot of people were a little taken back. They were like, oh, that wasn't in the movie. Well, the movies, that's Hollywood, you know, when you hear the real story.

But go to Travis Walton.com and check out Travis's site. other thing, too, is go to Amazon. Get fire in the sky. No, no, Amazon not a good place. The only place to really get the book is from me at Travis Walton. Travis Walton.com. Any copies you might run into it on Amazon or just someone's used copy and usually overpriced. Like $175 for the book.

Yeah, it happens. Yeah, so get a copy from Travis Walton and his website. Travis Walton.com. Just Google. It's the first one that comes up. But Travis, it was an honor. I'm a huge fan of yours, and I think what you do now, you took a bad situation and turned it into something good. I think most people in that, if they would have gone through what you gone through, they probably would be an alcoholic.

I think it's human nature. But you've turned it around into something positive. And it was a huge honor to. Well, I think, you know, Sasquatch experiences probably undergo a sort of a parallel kind of experience. and maybe something that's happened in the course of my fighting back against the skeptics might be useful to people who've encountered creatures or, you know, things they can't explain out there. Yeah. Well, it was a huge honor having you on.

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And we'll talk a little bit about the Neanderthal. We'll talk a little bit about the orang Pendek and some of the different adventures Adam's been on. It's been a while since he's been on the show. So I hope you guys enjoy my interview with Adam. Adam, how are you, ma'am? I'm very well. I've had a really good time at this. Yeah, no, it's, it was a blast.

I wish I would have seen your presentation. You would have enjoyed it, man. I would have taught you how to hunt a crocodile. We could do that if you want, was. Yeah, well, I wanted to talk because, you know, it's been a couple of years since you've been on the show. And, you know, I always love talking to you. You're always off to some adventure like Indiana Jones somewhere. But what's been new with you?

You mentioned some expeditions. Do you want to tell us what's... Yeah, I've been focusing, because I'm based in San Diego at the moment. I've been focusing, although it's a good opportunity to do some research in North America, And I'll tell you a little bit about that if you like. Yeah, please do. Yeah, a couple of things that really, I think, people would be interested in. Your listeners would be interested.

One of them is I did an investigation in an area called Port Chatham. Now, if you read about this, Port as in P-O-R-T, Chatham as in C-H-A-T-H-A-M, look it up. Because it reads like something out of a Stephen King novel before I went there, only it's real. So the story is that between the 1920s to the 1950s, more specifically then, though, this was a thriving little fishing town in Alaska of the Kenai Peninsula. And they were doing well. But then things started to kill them. And these things they describe, and you can look at this, it is an objective.

It's not mice land. The hairy man. They talk about a big foot-like creature wanting to kill them. So there's a guy, Stephen Major, Extreme Expeditions, he asked me if I'd go in there as a tracker and do that. I mean, it's very expensive to get in there. The boat alone cost $1,000 in and $1,000 out, so I wasn't doing it on my money, Wes.

Yeah, I hear you. And it was dangerous, you know, to go in. There was a lot of talk from the Alaskans about it been a dangerous place and dangerous to get in, even, with the water. So it was ideal for me. It floated my boat. You know, I like to do things that other people haven't done before or have an era of adventure or mystery or explanation.

You know, I like to go to places no one's ever crossed before with all these jungles and mountains. So this was something I could do. And I'd not been to Alaska, and I liked the frontier aspect of going to this. No. Because there's nobody now, because the town was abandoned because of this, you know, there's nobody

there's nobody within 20 miles or so, at least. Interesting. This area. And I thought it was a great adventure. Yeah. And people are, oh, you shouldn't go there. Like, even when we got to Alaska, it's dangerous, man. That thing was, the ancestors of this thing could still be out of there.

And before you go into it, I don't want to go off at him. But did it, was it killing people? Yeah, allegedly. Oh, okay. Allegedly. I mean, they were convinced enough. so the accounts go, that this thing was killing people, so that they abandoned the town.

These are the accounts that anybody can read. They said, you know what, we've had enough, and that was just the end of that. So it sounds quite a bit, I mean, it's a bizarre story, and that's why it piqued my interest. I'm not going to go and do stuff where many other people have been before.

That doesn't intrigue me. I like to go somewhere where there's, a new and cutting edge and that was what I was about. Yeah and that's fascinating so when you got there what did you find? I mean was there anything that you uncovered? When I got there the first thing is that the place does have a creepy vibe but you kind of expect that in an area where there's a lot of old abandoned buildings you know and there's a lot of bears there so it was very very hard work out in fact Stephen and Stephen's a bit of a gadget man and he'd built all these uh he'd built all these perimeter things, you know,

so if something come along, we'd be, we'd be, you know, we'd be, we'd be, oh, like, alarms. Yeah, yeah, like all this. And the only, right, and he built that, we're good on him. He's a tough guy, and it was hard work. It was very intense adventure. But the only time, the reason I'm laughing is the only time they didn't work was when I left them on his own to get the trail comes.

And he was like, he comes back and he goes, damn these things. But yeah, so it was a very intense little trip. I mean, you could tell that the wildlife, you know, when I go to remote areas, Nepal, Sumatra, or wherever else, you see a big difference, a very obvious difference between the flora and fauna and how it behaves and reacts to humanity. And what does that mean in this context?

So, for example, there was a lot of sea otters there. And what they do is they'd come in and they'd stop because I was on a beach area, yeah? So rather than the town itself, they'd stop and they'd look, you know, and they'd call these noises, auto noises, like, whee, and then they'd be showing their babies, look at the humans, yeah? And then they'd swim off. So we were something of an interest to them. In terms of actual physical evidence with Bigfoot, the only thing that I thought was interesting,

and I'd say, no, I'd put it at this, that higher bar was we're using some night vision equipment. And I made a call, and while I was using it, I saw something large, moved down the woods on the other side of the embankment I was on. I couldn't determine its physical shape. So I can't tell you that it's even possibly a big foot, but I can tell you it was an animal that was moving. In response to my calls, my vocalizations and went, and then as it moved farther and farther down, I saw it pause,

and then it stopped and static. And you know, you can put two and two together sometimes on May 5, but it almost appeared to be listening. But other than that, there was nothing in terms of evidence where I said, you know, what, that is something that really persuades me. It was a good adventure, a good investigation. He's going to go back there and do more research. But I enjoyed it. I need to look up the history of that town because that is fascinating. I mean, for everyone to get up and just go, and then there's this weird story about this hairy creature that's killing people.

you know there's always, even in myth, there's always some truth. Yeah, and the stories seem to be consistent. I mean, I've not seen anyone refute it yet. I mean, they may do, but I've not seen, it's always, well, and the local Alaskans tell that same story, which was interesting. And I like the frontier element to Alaska. I mean, it's one of those places.

I was sat in a bar, and, you know, I was just talking to one of the locals about some mountains I could see in the distance, And I said, well, you've been over to those mountains? And he's like, no, probably nobody around here has been up to that. I'm sure somebody has. But, you know, there was that element that you just can't get, I don't think, in any other place. Yeah, it's very untouched, very pure. Yeah.

And so you leave there and you went, was it North Carolina's where you did the... Yeah, I was in, I went to North Carolina specifically because I've got a good friend, Mike Rickberg. And I was interested in his account of why. happened in the swamps with his father. Now Mike's a good friend of mine. So I know him very well very well. He's not somebody who would deal in hyperbole. He's a decent guy.

And I believe him when he says things. And he's told me a story for a while about when he was a teenager. He used to go out hunting with his dad, his daddy, as he would say in the south. You're going to have to endure my southern accent. but he would go out hunting with his daddy and he when he was a teenager I think they had dogs

and they were releasing dogs they were hunting hog he saw a big foot he wasn't planning it wasn't interested in the subject but it was moving away yeah obviously to get away from the from the hunt

but he saw it moving and he said it was like a big gorilla and it had the sagetical craters were all familiar with and all your listeners of it And it freaked him out. And it freaked him out so much he didn't go into those woods for five years. And he used to go in, he used to go in all the time.

And it's his research area. And he saw one as well again. I can't remember exactly, but it was decades later in the same area. So that, and he was out there a lot by that stage. But he saw it once. And that interested me, you know. Here's somebody who I think is, it's not a world. not a will first, other people

researched the area. But I believed in the veracity of his account because I knew him very, very well. And I wanted to research that. And it was a lot of fun. I mean, there was, and we, I mean, the swamps there are hard

going, you know, swamps in that area. But it did make me laugh. There was one time when we were out there. And he was just joking around. But there's, we were being quiet. We were observing and we were in, we were seeing what wildlife was going to come along and Mike turns around and goes and we see a

pick well a wild pick and the Mike goes that hole sure he sure God a pretty mouth and I said don't be saying that don't be saying that Mike it sounds like deliverance yeah no kidding did you guys find anything out there I mean I mean I laid some trail cams down and and but there was nothing tangible I mean I think you know that's a general point that there's two things I'd say, I'm very suspicious to people who go out on all their investigations and regularly find things. I don't care how good deal. They're not going to find anything. These creatures are very, very rare, and you have to be extremely lucky. And also, it's important to analyze the quality of the evidence that you find. So, for example, I was in Canada,

on Vancouver Island, and I shot something through the fleur, the night vision equipment, and it looked like something that had locomotion. But if I had released it, what it essentially was was a red blob in the distance and said, oh, you know, and I tried to say it was Bigfoot, that would be ludicrous. Right, right.

You know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. And anything associated with Bigfoot in order for it to be of scientific interest, it has to be of extremely high standard. And you must get all the time, I know I do, so I'm sure you do. Photographs of bushes, blobs, all that. Yeah, it's like, man, I don't...

And it gets old, you know, sometimes that gets old because, you know, because when you actually run into one, you don't have to sit and, like, squint your eyes and look at a picture, you know, you know it's there. I do get those a lot. Yeah, it is what it is. Sure. And if, you know, and...

I'm just happy people are out there snapping pictures. Yeah. Well, absolutely. And I think, you know, I would quite happily... I think you're absolutely right to make that point. It's quite important to snap as many pictures as you can because you don't know what you're going to get. But if you do get a black blob, then don't get all hissy.

If somebody says, well, all I can see is a black blob. Yeah, I'll tell you a funny story. So this guy sends me this picture, right? And, you know, it's low-lit conditions. And I was like, holy crap when I saw it. I was like, wow, it looks like it's squatting down. I mean, it looked like wide shoulders and it was squatting down. and he goes, yeah, this is a pretty amazing picture, isn't it?

And he was kind of smirking a little bit. And I was like, yeah, it was like, you know, you don't see all the details, but there's definitely, there's something large sitting there. He goes, it's a tree stump. And he goes, he goes, the tree stump, he goes, the reason why I took a picture of it is because it looks just like a Sasquatch squatting down. And it did, it had the form. It's like one of those rare trees.

It had like the form of it. And it even had like moss coming off. so it looked like they had a little hair on the shoulders. But I started laughing. He's like, yeah, it's a tree stump. He's like, you know what? He goes, I saw it, and he goes, I thought it looked like a big foot. I'd snap a picture of it.

But he doesn't post it and say it's a big foot. No. He lets you know it's a tree stump. Well, that's good. At least he doesn't try to make out of something. It's just kind of funny. It's like, I don't know if you've ever seen that one picture on the internet of that tree and it's got the arms.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes you can see anything and something, you know. I didn't mean to cut you off. No, it's totally fine. I mean, but your point is a good one because it's that paradoxia thing. It's part of the human brain wants to see patterns.

Right. And so you want to see those things. But it's an important point. So, you know, you must have done it. Well, I've done investigations and it's a bit depressing if you hear every strange noise and somebody goes next to you. It's a big foot. You know, you just think, oh, it's going to be a long night, yeah? Yeah.

Big foots are extremely rare. It's almost certainly not a big foot. And in order, before you even think about that conclusion, your starting point has to be, what else could it possibly be that's far more plausible? When you hear a noise or when you see a tree structure, for example, I keep seeing people sending me tree structures. And then you look at the just basic research. You look at the, oh, there's a tree structure. Well, where was it? Well, how far were you from your car?

I was about 10 minutes, you know, and you find out there's a load of Boy Scouts. Don't tell me it's a big foot, you know? Right. You've got to physically see these things. You know, if you see a big foot physically making it, then you can say it's a big foot. Right. Until then, you can't.

Yeah, and I don't want to discourage people from going out there and snapping pictures. Like you said, man, I'm happy people are out there and keep snapping away because one day it's going to take one of those people that's going to get it. You know what I mean? Yeah, and I think, again, I agree with you.

I think that's a good point. I think it's far more likely to, there's never an ego thing for me I don't care who finds it as long as we get the evidence I think that it's far more likely for the person who is most likely to get some really interesting evidential point is somebody who hits one

by accident on a car or somebody who's out walking with their kids one day in the forest and they take a great picture which is worthy of further scientific research not us guys creeping around in the woods because they're saying I think there's, I think that's more realistic. There are so many people wandering around, you know,

that's the likelihood, especially these days with camera phones. You know, everyone's got a camera with them, aren't they? So that's the most likely scenario. Yeah, I would agree with you. And I was laughing at your expedition thing, because I went on a property one time and we're walking down the trail. And the homeowner, he points to two sticks. And he goes, you'll see that.

I look down the ground. I go, yeah? He goes, Bigfoot did that. and I was like, it's going to be, I thought when I started, I was muted out, and I don't get him, I was laughing when he said, it's going to be a long night. That's the first thing that I thought it was going to be a long day. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, I know. I had someone on, I don't, I normally, I'm normally very careful about who I go on expeditions with, but I was, I was meeting this group of people and I was invited along just for an hour or two to be social, but I'm not going to name me, because we're not, nice people, but this is a classic example of, I'll give you a classic example of somebody wanting something. And this woman was there. She said, I can see, I can see eyes shine. I can see shine. I was like, that's the moon. And she said, no, it's eyes shine. It's getting a bit angsty with me. And I physically, in a nice way, led her over to, away from the trees and

put her physically at the moon and said, look, there's the moon. Yeah. It was, it was bigfoot, you know? I think sometimes with people, I think what ends up happening is maybe a little PTSD, you know, like they've had an encounter. And so when they hear something, that's Bigfoot. You know what I mean? Because they're immediately, you know, you get charged. It's like the guy coming back from Iraq and he hears firecrackers goes off. And all of a sudden he's right there and he's freaking out over nothing. And I kind of liken that to some of these people. I think, I don't think it's intentionally. Like, I don't think it's an intentional feeling for them to say, oh, that's Bigfoot. That's Bigfoot. I think in their mind, they've,

feel that way, but I think it's almost like, I don't know what I'm trying to say, you know what I'm trying, like PTSD, like they've had an encounter, and now they hear something, and so they start freaking out again, you know what I mean? Yeah. Could be that, I don't know. No, I think most people

don't go into it with the intention of frauding. I think there are some who do, yeah, for whatever nefarious reason, but I just think that they're excited. Yeah. And that's what happens. You go out there, And they want to find, they want to come back with something. Right.

But I think that field researchers who do it a lot who are dedicated know that that's very, very unrealistic or I hope they do. Yeah. In my life, I've done this stuff for decades. And I can only think of, you know, three times when I had something happen that was significant in all those. years. And that's the norm. You know, I was talking earlier on during my presentation. I think I mentioned the fact that when I was in Mongolia, I've made a couple of expeditions in Mongolia, one to the

desert and one to the western side near Kazakhstan. And one of the times I was there, I was speaking to this guy who was responsible for a wildlife conservation area. And he said, you know, we've got clouded leopard here. And I said, well, how often have you seen? them because obviously they're very well I've seen them once in like 30 years you know and and and and I think that that is far more a realistic a proposition you know you know you were very blessed and uh and I'm glad for you but it's it's extremely extremely hard to see these things yeah I would agree with you and in that speaks to the simple fact of how do most encounters happen they happen by accident Yeah. Rarely have I had a researcher that's like, yeah, we were in the heart of it, you know, and all of a sudden it came charging at us. And you never hear those stories. What you hear is I was out hiking. I was out hunting. I was out camping. And I ran into it. And but I don't know, you and I disagree on the rare thing. I don't think they're quite as rare as most people might think because that are more, more people are starting to see them or their population has grown. Something's going on.

because more, it seems like more and more people are seeing them. I do believe that they're rare in the sense that they're not stupid and they're generally won't walk into your trap. They're too smart for it. Well, yeah, I agree with that. I mean, the short answer is we don't know. Absolutely, you're absolutely right. Both of us are speculating.

While you were making that point, one of the things I was thinking about just then is how some species can adapt. And the classic example is a leopards in, in India, which have adapted very well to human urbanization and encroachment, and have become very effective in it. You know, if I think of my own country, Britain, foxes. So there are some creatures that can adapt, and that might be a possibility why people are seeing them more. But it's all just fun guesswork really at this stage.

Yeah, it is. You're right. You're absolutely right. It's like I always say, no one has one in their garage are studying, so. No. Tell us about the San Diego. Was it San Diego Zoo? Yeah, I think this is a, again, this is an interesting story.

So Cliff was contacted by someone at the zoo. To set the scene, the zoo is one entity, and that's right in the heart of the city of San Diego. But there's a wildlife park, which I think, off the top of my head, is about 40 miles away, and it's not in an urbanized area. It's not true wilderness like Alaska, but it's on the edge of the Cleveland National Forest. And that isn't a forest, just so people know,

it's more sort of scrub. San Diego's very dry for those people who don't know the area. and so it's more like that. And basically, I'm still investigating this, so this is still ongoing, but I like the fact that this was, the guy who was my contact, he was involved in security at the park, and he had, they'd had encounters where they'd heard strange screams at night, and they'd outside the perimeter of the park,

and then, like, stones and things like that had been thrown as well. and they'd found it very, very strange, very strange indeed. And they really weren't sure what was going on. They then had the strangest thing of all happen, which was there was a woman who worked to the park, who will remain, none of these people right now will remain anonymous, but she worked to the park. And it was three in the morning,

and she was going, and he took me to the spot where this woman allegedly saw something. and she was wandering in a car over to the wildlife park to start a shift and across the road on all fours

she saw a gorilla outside the park outside the park a gorilla like creature boom boom boom boom boom and I've got the record at the time but it freaked her out

and she contacted the zoo and they counted all their animals But, you know, imagine, escape gorilla? But none of the creatures had escaped. And she got some stick, you know, for it. But I thought that was a very interesting... And that was in the Cleveland? It was just where the wildlife, right where the safari park is.

Oh, okay. So right, you know, the wildlife safari park, it's only about... Where this happened is about a mile away from it, yeah? Yeah. And obviously they have the, you know, I thought that was an interesting... encounter. And there are a couple of things that I'd say to add to it. Why I think it's even more

interesting. The first one is this is an obvious one in the sense that this is somebody who is well familiar with seeing great apes very regularly. Yeah. So it's not, not to denigrate anyone's account, but I think that adds credibility to our account. The second thing is that this is some, there are no bears, you know, the classic thing is, is it a bear? And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, there may have been bears wandered in occasionally, I'm sure, from other areas. Yeah. But this was somebody who, well, bears are virtually non-existent here. And this was somebody who works for a wildlife park who clearly saw a gorilla at three in the morning. Interesting. Did she give any details about the face or was there any details that stood out to you beyond it was just look like her? It was walking on, it was walking, you know, what she said, what he said. It was walking on its knuckles, you know, that sort of thing. And she saw it and it moved along and looked. She didn't catch a very good look at it, but it was enough for her to be,

A, it was convinced it was a gorilla and B to officially alert the zoo authorities. Yeah, that is. So it's significant. Yeah, very significant. I think. And I think that's an important. Should I have you gone back to that area? Yeah, I have, yeah.

And I intend to do more research there with him. I've had some, he's been moving around on his shift. So it's been quite difficult to get some time, but I want to do some more stakeouts with it and things like that. Now that you're in San Diego, do you ever go down south and go down by the, have ever talked to the border patrol agents down there? I have spoken to one of them.

I mean, I haven't, I haven't, I've worked on the border on the U.S. side. I had a whole trail camera. I didn't mention that. I had a whole trail cam project on the border and this was because your question is a good one because the border patrol there's a guy who wrote a book Rocky Elmore. Yeah Rocky Elmore. Yeah and we spoke about that last time

and you mentioned him to me so I messaged Rocky not long after we spoke the last time I spoke to you and I went and set some trail it's a bit of an edgy area you know some of that border area It is. So I was like, I'm interested. So I set some trail cameras up along the border and worked on the U.S. side of the border.

I've not been to the Mexican side. Yeah. But I did set trail cameras, but I didn't get anything interesting on them. But I did work the area because, as you know, the Border Patrol reported on several occasions, according to Rocky, seeing what looked like large bipedal creatures, including one time when they were following them on the infrared. Yeah. And that's actually documented in an official report. And they told them not to write Sasquatch in that thing, but they said they went and reported it.

And there were several witnesses to it. The other thing down there, too, I find more fascinating than that. Because you're right, Adam. And for people who don't know that area, 100% right. It's like scrub brush. First time I ever went down there, I was like, no way. No way. But I guess we're seeing in New Mexico and desert.

So, you know, what do I know? But anyway, they talked about the devil dog. and how this devil dog type creature would harass the guys. And one guy actually quit, I think I told you that. Yeah, you did, yeah. But there's weird stuff down there, man. There's one area where it's like the only oak tree, probably within 200 miles. And you come down this one area, and I did a whole video on it, but you come down to this one area, and there's just oak tree.

I mean, it's so out of place for that environment. and I guess there's all kinds of paranormal stuff that goes on down there they've pulled in there and seen bodies hanging from the trees yeah it's a very strange place and I mean and to go to the physiology because I've thought about it as well and I think now what you've got in that area is hundreds of square miles of scrub and desert going on to Anzabrigo which is not very well populated right you've got many accounts going about hundreds of years of big friends

foot-like creatures from the local natives. And of course, the local population did survive in that desert. And large mammals, like the big horn sheep, do survive in that desert. So, and there are caves, and there are cave systems. So I was like you, when I first got there, I was like, well, how much? And then I was thinking, well, actually, if I equate the, you know, based on my own experience, there's a lot of stories about Almers in Mongolia, living in very similar terrain to what I'm seeing here. So if there are small populations and they're prepared to do a lot of migration to look for resources, then it's not implausible at all. Yeah, you know, Igor was here. He's the Russian Bigfoot researcher for the audience listening.

And I wanted, the one question I want to ask him, and you probably know this because you've actually been there. Yeah. When people talk about the almonds, is it night and day compared to how we describe Bigfoot? It's very different. I mean, I've actually, I don't think Eagle's been to. to Mongolia. I've actually been and done the research there, and that's not to denigrate him, but he just hasn't. So I did a big survey of the Almus. I'm going to give you a long answer because I think you'd be interested in the long answer. So what I did was when I went to that

western part of Mongolia, I went from all the way down from the southern tip of it, all the way up to the northern area. And there were lots of stories about it. But, you know, for example, there was a mountain of the Almas. And, you know, yeah, and I thought I'll go there, but people had not heard of any recent accounts. And eventually, I pinned it down, this is a long story behind it, but to a small area around Hovd, H-O-V-D,

which is where I did a filming for a National Geographic film called The Last Living Neanderthal. And there only seemed to be maybe 100, 200 square kilometres around there where there have been any recent sightings and evidence. And what they describe is a bipedal creature. It was very primitive. I spoke to this hunter called Ulsey. And he'd seen it.

And to him it was almost like a large monkey-like creature. It was stood up on two legs, and it freaked him out because it had a human-like face but ran away on all thaws. It seems very primitive, but it doesn't seem to have the same depth of muscular and physiology. is the North American one. So it's a different creature in some ways.

Yeah, I think so too. And I've always thought that because when you hear people describe the almas, it's almost more like a caveman. Yeah. And when they're describing, and maybe I'm wrong, but, you know, when people talk about Bigfoot,

they talk about it being more of hairy, very primate-like, non-human primate. But it seems like with the almas, and you'll have to correct me on this, but it seems like with the almas, it's very human. Well, it can be.

I mean, but I think there's a wider point, and it's one I made in my presentation, which goes to what you're saying. And it's this, we used to think, you know, that there were, you know, you remember when science class, I think you're roughly the same age as me. Yeah, a little bit younger, I think. 27. Yeah, well, yeah, that's it, yeah. But, you know, you used to be science class and there was this picture, and you're familiar with it as Nuckle Dragon Creek. and we we and then there were gradually progressed and progressed and then the epitome of uh of of of all things was was us we now know that there are many different types of of hominid

homonym you know there many different times that which coexisted coexisted coexisted with us for nearly all our existence not just neanderthal denivision the the dear people florisman i'm not going to go but many, many different, many different types, you know, 20-odd human species that we know of probably. And all I ever said or suggested was in different isolated pockets in remote areas, could these things still exist? We don't now doubt that they did exist in coexisters with us. Could they still exist? And there's going to be regional variants. There's going to be differences.

Just in the same ways we're very different. And if you look at the Great Apes, guerrillas are very different to Arangues, yeah? And I've seen both in the wild. So it's not remotely implausible. It's just unlikely. And it's about gathering evidence. I got you.

And is it a behavior with the Olmas, the same type of behavior we're seeing in the United States? One of the things I've noticed with the creatures in that area. And also it goes as far as the Yeti in Nepal. You know, I've done expeditions, to Nepal, is that they often talk about them emitting a whistling, a high-pitched whistling sound, which I find quite interesting. You know, you talked about the classic Bigfoot type encounter before.

But what we're talking about there is this whistling, yeah? This whistling, I can't even do it now, I don't make you deaf. But the classic encounter there is a farmer, he's on his high end of his pastures. grazing and he hears this whistling and he looks around and he sees one of these creatures and he's struck by the fact that it's moving on two legs it's got this satchital crest and it mists this whistling sound and it freaks him out so so they have different types of behaviors i mean none of them have got super sophisticated i mean let me say this if if any of them were regularly using fire they would act as a beacon to extinction because hunters would see the

fire right and they'd be very soon tracked down and wiped out back. So I don't think they live in super sophisticated societies, nor do I think they're having magical powers to help humanity. I think that they are probably more intelligent than great apes, but not as intelligent as us. Again, it's guesswork. It's guesswork, but if you're asking me to pin down where they are, I don't see any evidence of tool use more sophisticated than say chimpanzees. Yeah. And even having said that, chimpanzee can be very smart. Very, very, very smart. Very, very smart.

You know, there's a classic thing that you can see on the internet where a chimp lights a fire and roast some marshmallows with a twig. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Well, you know, it's like the great apes. You ever seen the great apes where they're taking apart poachers traps? Oh, yeah. And they'll bring young ones to watch them do it. I mean, that's intelligent.

Well, as I say, I've seen them in the wild. I've watched their behavior. They're extremely bright. We tend to underestimate them. But we as modern humans underestimate all our cousins and even ancestors. So, for example, Neanderthals, let's talk about that. Neanderthals were sophisticated. They had music.

They had art. They mourn their dead. And we now know, I mean, this is a good example about science moving on. One of the things I mentioned was, on it, goes to that film, was that in it, Professor Todd De Sotel, he basically says, you know, did humans and animals, did humans and Neanderthals have sex, almost certainly, men are not that discerning, you know.

Obviously, we don't like women with hairy backs, but not all of our ancestors did. And then he says in the film, well, you know, was their prodigy, was their children as a result of these unions? And he says, almost certainly not. Really? Yeah. Do you say why?

Well, he just doesn't think that it happened. Yeah, they were genetically compatible. We now know that's not true. And in fact, Neanderthals are very prevalent in our genes. You know, I met up to 3 or 4%. I met somebody who had a very high level of Neanderthal DNA, because you can do all this testing these days with the genetics. You know, and I'm sure, you know, my ex would love to have said

that I had at like 50% Neanderthal. But it's one of those things. It's prevalent. So that's a really good example of how science changes and reacts and adapts to circumstances, depending on what we do. And it's strange, though, with Sasquatch, you'll hear reports almost like they have some sort of culture, which I guess isn't too far off. I mean, even Coco cried over her kitten being killed. So there is mourning, there is. But I think you're right.

they're not at the level we are. I mean, no one's made you, the quickest way to, like you said, light of fire. It's a great beacon to show everyone where you're at. Just be wiped out. I mean, don't get me wrong. Species can have some sort of, it could be, you know, if they were a Neanderthal relic, they would have to have had a very big cultural recession for it to happen.

I think they're more likely to be somewhere in between the Great Apes and us. Somewhere, yeah, on that lineage. I don't exactly know where, and it may. be different in different places. Well, I don't think you're too far off because what witnesses always say. Yeah. It looked like a man and an animal. Yeah. I mean, you hear that constantly. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think, you know, I would hope a discovery is made sooner rather than later because it's just intellectually fascinating. What's your favorite cryptid? My favorite one is probably around Pandak because I spent so much time looking for it. And I know, I know it's, I just, just worry about it.

I'm not... Like it's going extinct? Yeah. Well, with Bigfoot, I don't think there's any danger of it going extinct right now. I don't feel that. With the Aang Pendek, there's a possibility. And I give an example, which I found personally shocking. And it was one time I was going through the jungle, and I was going on a Jeep.

And I was just driving along on the trail. And it was great. You know, we were just chilling along on the trail. and then I came back to that same place five years later and all of that area which had been virgin rainforest was just devastated

and just palm oil you know just so people can have cheap peanut butter that's crazy is that? Yeah yeah yeah so I and there's another thing as well you've got a lot of in that area you've got a lot of human pressure so what do I mean by that you know I get married, I have children, yeah, they have three children, they have three, I have three sons, where do they get their land from? They cut down a bit more jungle, you see. There's a lot of pressure there,

and it's, and I do, we can speculate about how rare Bigfoot might be in North America, but I do think that the Rang Pendeck is very rare and very, very real, and I worry about the level of deforestation in the area. I don't want it to die out. I don't want its habitat today out before we can find some evidence of it and maybe work harder to create a park in that area as protect it. As far as the ring pendic, when people come to you and say, Adam, I've seen it, what did they generally say? I realize every account's going to be a little bit different,

but how do they generally describe what they've seen? Common characteristics would be it's small, so normally no higher than about five feet. and it has a very large torso. Yeah? So very, very large. I mean, they often talk about it being robust. And obviously, it's in Samatra, so it's in Indonesia,

but the closest thing, people who've seen pictures of because they won't have seen one in the world, often describe it looking almost like the same physical structure as a chimpanzee, only with a human face. And, you know, often they startle it, it's eating or foraging fruit, and it runs away. But they're struck about how physically powerful it looks. It's not really aggressive.

I only ever heard of one account of possible aggression. And that was when I was with the king of a tribe there, the Sukhu Anak de Lamb. And he said one, him and his son had surprised one, and it was aggressive and it went looking for him, and they hid from it. But every other account has been farmer on the edge of the jungle, it's eating through,

or it's broken into a barn to, look for it. It likes the sugar cane, yeah? Yeah. So I'll eat that. And then they've startled it and then it's run off. Is the behavior the same as far as throwing rocks? And the other question I want to ask you, well, behavior first, as far

as, well, we, like with Sasquatch, you know, what is your typical behavior? It's going to throw stuff at you. It's going to throw crap at you. It's going to bang on trees. It's going to, these are what we assume Bigfoot does. But that's one question I want to ask you. The follow-up to that is

what about vocalizations? Like, how does it vocalize? Its vocalization is higher-pitched than the typical thing that we hear in the Bigfoot, but it's a smaller creature. It does vocalize, you know, when I've been out there, how many times I've been to? Probably eight times I was in that jungle.

You regularly hear these high-pitched noises from it. Like screams? Yeah, I think it's probably fairly solitary, and I think that's one of the ways it communicates it, nocturnally, yeah, to other ones, and you can hear, you can hear a call from, you know, if you're out in the jungle, you can hear, and I've often been out with expert trackers who are very used to the animal, the local animals in the area, and you can hear from one side,

I was often at a lake, Gunning Tuduja, and you'd hear from the odd vocalisation from one side to the other as these things move towards one another. Yeah. So I don't think it communicates that way. I haven't heard any evidence. Again, I don't think it's, there's no rock throwing or anything else like that. Really?

No, not normally. I can't remember any accounts of that nature. Do you see any similarities with this creature and the North American Sasquatch? Or is it, and I know I'm saying that the same creature, but do you see similarities with them or is it just night and day? Two separate? Well, I think they may well be distant and related, but let me answer it. Let me answer you this way. I mean, I wrote something for an edge science magazine,

an article entitled New Primate Species in Sumatra. And in that, I said, you know, I speculated, well, this creature is an example of bipedal parallel evolution. So you rang a tang, which is not known in that part of Sumatra, I think it probably evolved to walk bipedally. Nothing particularly stunning about that. Bigfoot, I think, is probably something else completely different. I got you.

I got you. Yeah, it's fascinating, man, trying to keep up with you and what you're doing. Do you have anything else that you've been doing? I think the main... That was a lot, but I mean... Well, I think, you know, right now at the conference, I launched my Adam Davis, DAVIS, my life story, Adam Davis Explorer, which you can find if you go into Corridor Pictures,

Corridor 13Pitchers.com, you can order that, the DVD. It shows a lot of my motivations and a lot of the expeditions I've been on and why. So I think that, you know, people who like to follow that. I have to check it out. What was the website? It's Corridor 13 Pictures. Okay. If you go on there, there's some stuff with Bob, Bob Gimlin, who also appears in the DVD,

is a brief cameo. And I know you're very friendly with Bob and he's a super nice guy. I really like him. And within that, it's my... my DVD. Oh, interesting. I'll have to pick that up. You'd like it.

I'd like to see that. Yeah, I always like the stuff. I mean, the audience knows Adam Davis. I mean, he's been on Monster Quest. And I watched the, what was the one you said, the Neanderthal? The Last Living Neanderthal? I watched that. And there was one, what was it, your guide was getting drunk or something?

Oh, yeah, that was last living Neanderthal. I was dying. He had a few drinks. I want to go sit and hang with that guy. Well, that's typical Mongolia, you know. That's what they like to do. And, you know, people can sometimes say, oh, wow, somebody's had a drink. Well, you know what?

If you're out with a load of Mongolians in the jungle, then they're going to want to drink. Oh, yeah, absolutely. That is just like totally how they wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They like doing that, and that's a lot of fun, yeah? Yeah. Not as well, Adam, I appreciate you coming on. I always love talking to you.

I hope people go out and check out your DVD and you're, Welcome back anytime, brother. It was a great seeing you, man. Nice, lovely seeing you. What was your favorite part of the conference real quick? I like, what I liked about about the conference was that it was a rather sort of gentle and sweet tribute to Bob. Yeah, that's very funny. I thought that was nicely done.

It wasn't brash. It wasn't flamboyant. It was, let me say this. When I, when I, I spent some time with Bob, you know him very, very well. But I spent some time with him in January. I spent just a couple of hours in a restaurant, me and him just talking. And I didn't talk to him about the Patterson Gimlin thing at all.

I talked to him about anything else so I could understand him better. And I think that, you know, people often say, well, this was these two minutes of his life or whatever. But there's so much more to him. And he's done some other remarkable things in his life. He's always somebody that's pushed boundaries, challenged himself, and try to make the best he possibly could.

And he's got nothing to do with Patterson Gimler and it's to do with, it's a general philosophical point about being the best person you can. And I came away really liking the guy. And I, you know, and then we've come to this event and it's been, there's been a number of very good speakers. But the epicentre has been about paying tribute to that guy. And I'm glad they did that.

It was good. And for me, it's nothing to do with the Patterson Gimlin. It's just about rewarding. It's funny. You say that because I'm sitting over there by Bob yesterday. And one of my listeners comes up. And I'm like, have you met Bob? I mean, he's sent right next to me.

She's like, and he was talking to someone. She's like, no, no, not yet. I don't really know what I'm going to say to home. And I was like, oh, come on, come around. And she's like, no, no, I don't know what to say. I don't know what to. And she had been told me she writes. horses. So I was like, hey Bob, you know, and I introduced him. Then I said, oh, she rides horses.

And they must have sat there for an hour talking about horses. You see Bob's eyes light up. I mean, you want to, and you're right, you know, it's, there is more, there's way more to him than just the Patterson game on film. Yeah. But I did enjoy watching that. When Russell first told me, what was the name of that movie? The last one. Yeah, I can't remember his name. I need to ask Ross. You have to us, Russ. He's going to kick my butt for not knowing. But anyway, when I was watching it,

and they were talking about doing this animation thing, and I was like, I don't know how this is going to go. You know, animation, you know, it's sketch. It was really. It worked, didn't it? Yeah, it was awesome, man. I loved it. I would have been like you.

I would have been like, is this going to look cheesy? Like Scooby-Doo or something. It was really cool. It worked very well, I have to say. And I'm not saying that I'm not being paid by Russ and neither. No, neither amount. Or anybody else, you know. If I thought it was crap, I'd say, we just speak our minds.

I own care. No, I had it. It was good. Yeah. That was a lot of fun. And thanks again, brother. All right. My pleasure, man.

Let's go get a drink. Went in Rome. And that was my interview with Adam. A lot of fun to hang out with. A lot of fun. I want to thank Adam Davis. Adam, again, it's always an honor to have you on. Thank you so much.

I want to thank Travis Walton for coming on. Cool guy, very humble guy, very nice man. Travis had a great time interviewing you. Thank you so much. I want to thank MyBooky. Don't forget to use Chronicles to activate your offer. Let's show MyBooky.orgie some love. I'll throw a link in the description if you're listening to this on iTunes or your Android or your iPhone or whatever.

You can click on it. Go right to the link if you want. Let's show them some love. They were so cool. I mean, they were so cool to come to me and just say, hey, we like what you do. We think it's very, very cool. Until next time, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me.

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