Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:471 The moments that change your life

Episode Date: September 16, 2018

Tonight I will be speaking to Michael Hexum who will be sharing with us his encounters that took place in MN. Mike says, "It was around 1970 and I was hunting and this thing walked out in the open. That moment changed my life."   I will also be speaking to Shane Carpenter who also had a childhood encounter. Remember the empty tent episode? Shane will be talking about what happened the night they caught the creatures on FLIR and his upcoming documentary.

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here, no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me, and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatchew. Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. I want to give a shout out to Jackson. He's my biggest fan there on the East Coast, 11-year-old. He's mainly responsible for the additional shows this weekend. He sent me an

email asked me if I would do additional shows. I think everyone thought that storm was going to be bigger than what it was. And who knows, maybe it was. I'm on the West Coast. So I'll keep my mouth shut on it. I have no clue. Either way, Jackson, I hope it took your mind off of the storm. Thanks so much for listening tonight. Earlier in the week, I was sent this piece of audio from a guy. He was actually out fishing. I can't remember if it was late at night or early in the morning. He was out fishing and he heard these sounds. He had heard them before and actually had an encounter when he was out there. And I'm hoping he'll come on the show and talk about it. But basically, he pulls out his phone, hits record with his iPhone as he's packing his stuff up to get out of

there. Take a listen. I don't know if you can hear this shit, but just kind of get it from Marty and them. It's unreal. I guess it was time to go at that point. Joe. I'm hoping Joe come on. I talked to him briefly on the phone. He was telling me about this recording, how much it terrified him. In the very beginning there, it kind of sounds like a coyote or a wolf, but it's almost too loud to be one. And then towards the end, I'm not so sure that was a guy or wolf. Great recording, Joe. Thank you so much for sending it. I want to thank Harriet. She actually originally sent me the audio. So thank you for sending that to me. and very sad news to report. Bigfoot researchers passed away. Hello, everybody. I'm Barbara Shoeb.

That's my dog Gabby. And we live in the great state of Washington, north of Mount Rainier, the Cascade Mountains. And we have Bigfoot's. After several firsthand experiences around my home here, I started documenting and making my video diary of everything that goes on, not just my experiences, but around the community. So check out our channel.

We've got localizations, structures, we've done gifting, we have local witness reports, and we have our own first-hand counters quite often. So, yeah, check it out. And Gabby will definitely be missed. You know, when you hear Barb Shoup's name, immediately you think Barb and Gabby. And I know the pain of losing of dog. So all you tough guys out there rolling your eyes, you know what it's like when your dog dies. and Gabby was one of the few researchers I really liked.

Met Gabby a couple of years back. Actually, I think it was at Beachfoot, Barb, and she brought her dog, Gabby, and very sweet dog. So Barb, my heart goes out to you. I'm sorry to hear about Gabby's passing. Well, on that extremely sad note, let's go ahead and bring Mike onto the show. Mike, thanks for coming on. I really appreciate you being here. Glad to be here.

Yeah, I'm really glad to have you on to as well. And I know you actually have a total of three encounters, and you're first. First encounter actually took place, 1970, early 70s. If you would, would you kind of start from the beginning, Mike? Tell us what you're out doing and just walk us into what happened. First encounter was back in the early 70s. Well, it was deer hunting. I was out in my stand, and I heard what sounds like a chirping noise coming towards me.

And it got closer and closer. And from the distance, it looked like a big moose or something coming through the wood. woods. When it stepped out to the shooting lane, which was about 30 feet away, I get a clear view of it. And it's like, what in the heck of that? It was big. It looked like a man, but it wasn't a man. And it stood there just kind of looking around.

The wind was in my favor because the wind was going towards me. It couldn't pick me up. After about probably 30, 40 seconds, I made a noise. I go, hey, hey. and turned around and looked right at me. And then just about three steps had vanished into the woods that was gone. But later we went back out there and determined it was about seven feet tall. It was about a foot underneath a branch from a white pine.

And that white pine branch was about eight and a half feet up in the air. And that was my first encounter. Yeah, that's fascinating, Mike. And that happened in you said in 1970? early 70s. Early 70s. Was that in Canada? No, that's northern Minnesota.

Northern Minnesota, okay. And can you describe for the audience what you saw? This was dark in color. I'd seen many, many photos of Bigfoot, supposedly Bigfoot anyways. This was not as hairy. It looked more manlike. The face features the more prehistoric more man than

and it I say the smell I did smell it it was had a real pungent smell the only noises that I heard coming from it were like I see a chirping noises

prior from getting into my area normally when they vocalize I've had two of them vocalized I was in the middle of it and it sounds more like a mumbling song or a samurai chatter I've heard that

more than one occasion. It's almost like a human-type voice, but it's like a foreign language type, I think. That's fascinating. So you would say more caveman then, more than if someone said like a non-human primate, like an ape or something like that, you would say it looked more human.

Is that what you're saying? Yeah, kind of like a cross between, but the facial features were more recognizable as a human, I'd say, or, you know, like a prehistoric human. Did it worry you at all? I mean, what did you think you were looking at? I mean, you have a gun in your hand too as well. I did put with me.

I sat there after it left, and all these emotions were running through me. And I basically got the heck out of there. Yeah, I didn't play. I made it out to the vehicle in about 20 minutes, you know, three-mile walk. I was out in the road pretty quick. Did you say, hey, because you thought it was a man? What made you vocalize just to get it to turn around?

look at you to see what you're looking at, or did you actually think it was a guy standing there? First, I was just sitting there and I was just like, what the heck is this? But stood upright. I just couldn't fathom what it was. You know, back in early

70s like that, we knew nothing on Bigfoot. I knew nothing of it until later on in life. But yeah, I didn't know who would be out there during opening of deer season and they'd be dressed in a black outfit, you know, and they could get shot, no gun in hand, nothing wasn't carrying

anything, you know, it was just walking, you know, what would someone be or something like that be out there doing, you know, it's just crazy. Yeah, and you mentioned that, and I didn't mean to cut you off, but you had mentioned it was whistling. When you guys made eye contact, did the expression change at all, or did it vocalize at all, or did it just turn and walk off? It just stared at me for, you know, I'm not sure how long. I just stared right at me. And we got to realize where we were in was a game reserve that had been closed for years,

and they opened it up. And we were in there, the first year they opened it up. Nobody knew about it. We were basically my dad and his buddies, we were the only ones in there hunting. So this creature, Bigfoot, had that whole area to roam on the left. not seeing any human traffic in there for how many years? And all of a sudden this thing comes walking through the woods and there's a clearing, a shooting lane clearly cut out.

And it stops and it's like, what? It's probably thinking, where did this come from? What is this? And then I make that, hey, and it turned and looked at me and was like probably not expecting to see me either. And decided just leave. It was kind of scary. And what did you actually think you had seen that day?

I mean, here it is almost 40 years later, and you're seeing this thing again. What's going through your mind? I didn't know. I explained to my dad because my dad was wondering why I was back at the vehicle and out of the wind so early, and I told him what I've seen. And he said, no, you've seen a moose. I said, no, it was too close. I could see it perfectly. It wasn't four-legged.

Because the moose walking away from you at a distance almost looks like a human. Or it looks like, you know, on two legs. You know, it wasn't a moose. I clearly know that today. It wasn't until some of the old laugers used to frequent establishment was going to. And I was kind of talking to one of them about that. And they said, well, you've seen a Sasquatch or Bigfoot. And some of the old-time loggers up here, they were all long gone now,

but back in them days, they used to. they'd be caretakers. They'd sit out in the logging sites or do you have vandalize or stealing. A few of them had actually seen them. It wasn't until a few years later where I started getting into the research end of it with the Patterson film and stuff like that

where I started to put two and two together. For years after that incident that I had, I was hearing tree knocks. I was seeing tree structures. and I wasn't sure what it was. You know, what the heck? You know, who's out here this time of year knocking, and it's like two knocks?

Tree structures. You know, you're six miles from a road out in the middle of the woods. Who's building these little TP structures? You know, the kids or something, and these structures were kind of big. You know, at the time I'd see all this, I just couldn't put two and two together,

and it wasn't until years later when I got educated. I learned exactly. what I was looking at or what I was hearing. It's like infrasound. I've had that happen twice. Also, like I say, vocalizations. Yeah.

And let me ask you, before we go on to your next encounter, when you saw this saying, did it, how did it compare to Patty? I mean, obviously, I'm assuming it didn't have breasts. But as far as appearance-wise, how would you compare it to the Patterson-Gimland creature? It was the same. You kind of hunched with swaying arms.

the arm were down below the hips. I mean, lower than a man would have. And what amazed me is two or three strides to get completely out of my sight, which would have taken me maybe 10 or 15 steps clear the same distance. As far as, like I say, it wasn't as hairy. It was, you know, I did have hair on it, but it wasn't, you know, like Patty was more heavily haired, hair. if you want to call it.

And this was not. And then people ask me questions, how do they survive the winter? I mean, I can go on all night on my theory is what I think, what I found out up here. But I think this one clearly had to adapt to colder weather. When I seen it, it was not wrapped in a skinnering,

so evidently it was adapting to the colder weather for that time of year. There again, in the winter, I think the winter in the camera X one. because they never really truly freeze, that moss grass, and it was almost like a mattress that lay on that. That tree structures, I found skinned deer out in the woods where the hides were ripped off, and I believe they wrapped themselves with that to stay warm. Interesting.

And I don't mean kay off, but we'll come back to some of your theories. Let's go into your second encounter. When did this happen, and where did it happen, and what were you doing? Second encounter actually happened right at my cabin. It was kind of an odd year. I had a lot of things going on up to different weird things I can't explain. But my ritual, I just moved in here. I didn't have running water.

So I had a hole in the ice. I kept open all winter. I'd go down and get water in the morning, you know, chop the hole open and I'll bring up water for the shower for dishes, whatever. and my ritual as I'd go down there about sun up and I'd sit on the ice and have a cup of coffee and watch the sun come up

while I was getting a few pails of water. Well, this same thing as creature walked out of the north side northeast side walked along the shoreline across the lake. The lake that I'm on is not very wide. It's probably about maybe three or four blocks wide.

It's a small lake. Anyhow, it walked along the shoreline back into the shoreline on the northwest side. I watched it for about probably, oh, good four or five minutes. And there again, it moved fast enough to where it's, you know, it would have taken me probably 25 minutes or 20 minutes to walk the distance. It did. And that time of year, it was late March.

It was probably about a week before ice off. When there was water on the ice, there was no snow. I couldn't go over and get any, you know, foot and crushing they're seeing you and I did happen to drive the other side of the lake right after that it's all private land there, hunters own it and it was all gated

and locked so nobody was in there so I wanted to make sure it wasn't being prank but yeah that was interesting that was I think 2009 I just moved up here I live on a lake north of Nashwat

Minnesota so yeah it's I got quite a drive to town about 15 miles of town. I'm pretty much on my own. I got a few neighbors up here, but not many. I wanted to ask you, gosh, this is almost 39 years later. You're seeing a second one. What did it look like?

I realize you're seeing it at a distance, but did it look like that first one you had seen? Or was it completely different? Look, I couldn't see any features at that distance. Walk on two legs, same thing, arm swing, dark and cold. It looked to be hairier. It was, you know, tall. I tried to, I tried to focus on the shoreline, you know, try to get an idea where its head was,

you know, what I could see in the background. I could pair it to per height. And I'm guessing it was probably about seven, seven and a half feet tall in that range. Well, yeah, it was very, it was very exciting. Yeah, I would imagine. I'd imagine, gosh, this is almost 40 years later. You're seeing another one.

I realize it's like 38, 39 years later, but you're seeing it again. And before, I know there's a final encounter. Before you get into that, had you been looking into this between 1970 and 2009, had you really started looking into this subject, or was it just kind of a shock at that point? Like, oh, I saw one of those 39 years ago. Well, I started getting into it. I mean, after you see something like this, I've never been afraid of the woods. And I spend a lot of time in the woods.

I spend a heck of a lot more time now. Of course, I'm out researching. But you always have eyes in the back of your head. And I've been bowed, had rocks thrown at me, branches thrown at me. And I know when they're around. I can sense when they're around. I've never been harmed. The worst thing that ever happened is they did infer sound on me,

which made me feel like I was having a heart. attack. Yeah, I was kind of into it. I wasn't really that big into it until I got involved with the Minnesota Bigfoot research team. And a great bunch of guys. We do a lot of overnights. We do a lot of research. We've got some good videos on YouTube. Also Minnesota Bigfoot Research Team TV. We got some videos on there. We have some videos right now that are in process that haven't

been ready for a, yeah, I, I kind of did the research. I would always be the guy that would go and walk to treeline when we'd take a break from hunting. I'd walk and look for tracks or I'd look for this or that. And the more I, you know, the more I did things, I ran into other researchers online. And I got better educated on what I was actually seeing and what to look for. Well, here are always learning. Yeah, I would agree. Always learning, absolutely.

Tell us about the final encounter. The final time you had seen them, I realize you're having other encounters where they're throwing stuff at you, but when he'd actually seen it, tell us about the last time. Well, last time, I'm not sure. I couldn't say it was 100%.

But we had taken a call about a conservation employee who was doing water 30 tests on a river. I can't give out locations, but west of me. He had a bluff charge. One came out of the woods and charged him.

And so there was, I think there was four of us on the team that went out to that site, and we did an investigation. The team members were walking along the road, the access road, getting onto the river, looking for a possible trail where it was coming in and out. I was standing on the river, and I was looking out over the river, and I seen something dark between these birch trees. it wasn't moving, but it just looked kind of odd. And I wasn't sure if I was looking at possibly a moose standing there

or possibly a shadow of a burned-out tree. But I stood and stared at it for a good 15 minutes, stared at. And we had really gotten there equipment out yet. I didn't have my binoculars or anything like that out. We just basically got there. And I turned to go talk to the other guys to see how they were doing. and when I returned and went back to that spot where I was looking that

whatever it was gone and it moved. So there was definitely something there. And there again, I'm thinking it was probably in the range of about seven and a half feet tall. We did later that night we had the Paul Vaugh or Bionicur I call it. We got a set

of those. We were listening to one walk along the road. You could hear it walk on the gravel and then walk into the grass. and it was definitely bipedal. It was two-legged. And we had a storm coming in. My guess is it was walking away from us

who was going to take shelter into the thicker forest. We had a big storm coming in. I did make a tree knock towards the end of the night. And I heard a hook like that coming off from, I believe, was the west, in which direction we think it was going. But it's hard to say whether or not it actually. was. I don't like the say I've seen one and not be sure. But if I was a betting man, I'd probably be in pretty good shape on it. Yeah, no, I had something very similar happened to me and Woody when we're out. Same type of thing to where it looked, it just looked odd. Something, but it was so dark. It was so far away. And I remember just looking at it, looking at it, looking at it. And I told Woody ran back to grab his binoculars. And I was like, well, did you keep my eyes on it. And his dog came running up. And for,

a moment, I kind of looked away and I was doing something with the dog and I looked back and it's gone. So I don't know what it was either. I'm with you. I don't like to tell people that story because I don't know what it was. It could have been a bear for all I know. It could have been nothing. But it is kind of one of those weird situations, you know. What do you think that they are, Mike? What's your honest opinion? I mean, you've had these encounters. You've had other encounters where they're throwing stuff at you and you've heard vocals. If someone were to ask you, what is Sasquulture? What would you say to them? Say they're basically a missing link.

I've talked to researchers. We do the Reamer. We've had people travel from Canada. We've had people travel from south, from down south, up to be there, and then to actually talk to us. And I've talked to other researchers, biologists, and that, and I've heard all kinds of stories. Some I can believe, and some are a little far-fetched. But basically, I believe they can't. came across the land bridge from Europe because modern, what we call modern day, man was evolving. And we were more sophisticated.

We had weapons. We could outhunt them. We could do, I think we were getting in the fire. This is just a guest, mind you. And I think they moved out of the area to an area that had less competition. And I see that right now in northern Minnesota. We're getting mountain lions coming in the northern Minnesota. Minnesota,

or Canada out of the west. And they're basically ranging into this part of the state because there's less competition. And I believe that's what it is. My opinion, by what I've seen,

I've seen the Minnesota Iceman. I actually got the touch to the coffin that it was in. Really? And that's another story. A lot of people say that was steak. But I believe what they are is some

type of missing. They just never evolved and never died out. Kind of more human? Is that what you're thinking? Yeah. So you saw the Minnesota Iceman, huh? Yes, I did. Can you describe it from what you saw?

I've never talked to an eyewitness that actually saw it. Yes, I can, and I've got beaten up over this many times. A lot of people say it was steak. I do believe it was copied and baked. What I've seen, I had a friend of mine that worked. for the Minnesota State Fair. And he was able to let me in and witness this back during the middle 70s. He was let me in.

And I got to go into the display area and actually look at this. And I talked to another gentleman from Minnesota that actually seen the same thing. And we both described what we've seen, both seen. what I seen was probably about, I'm saying, no more than six foot tall. It had a prehistoric face. I know the refrigeration at that time was very bad. I could smell it. I could actually see a bone protruding through one of the fingers.

It was rotting. It was lightly, didn't have a lot of heavy hair on it like a normal one. It was lightly light hair, darkened. color. It had a manlike face, a very prehistoric looking. And my opinion on it was real because I don't think they could have picked something that ruled back then. I don't think we had the technology. Hollywood didn't have the technology to do something like that. I agree with you. It's just, it's a shame because the guy that was presenting it, his story would change constantly. You know, they shot it. A friend of his shot it. It depends on what storyline

you get. And even there's other stories of where it came about. So it's kind of iffy on how he came about this thing. And then he was such a salesman trying to make a buck off of it. I think it kind of ruined it a little bit. But I agree with you. I mean, I've looked at the old pictures of the original Minnesota Iceman. And I don't know, man, that's a good fake if that's a fake because it looks real to me. But I had never stood over the top of the glass and actually looked at it. That's fascinating. Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah, I've heard stories that was actually shot

in Superior National Horse up there. I've heard those stories. There's also another guy, too, who claims his dad shot one, and he's been on YouTube, and he's a dog trainer. And he's actually, I try to get a hold of him and talk to him,

but he's actually showing body parts from him. On YouTube, he claims he has one in a freezer. I mean, I've heard a lot of... I know you're talking about that. Peter King. guy. I know you're talking about. Yeah. It's his attempt at humor is what he's doing. He says

in a bunch of his early videos. It's just humor. It's meant for a joke. It's meant for fun. And he's pretty straightforward in the early videos and now he just does it, I think, for views and kind of a poor attempt at humor in my opinion. But I know you're talking about.

Yeah, I didn't take much of the guy, in my opinion. She seemed like kind of a jerk. To use a nicer word, I guess. Well, I've never met them, so I can't say one way or another. I wanted to ask you about, you had mentioned earlier about the deer hide. I'm curious about that.

Rapping themselves a deer hide, I've never heard of such a thing. Well, it makes sense. You know, they keep warm doing that with hides. Also, you know, body heat in the winter they get into the Pamrak swamps. I believe that's where they winter. They make shelters. I don't believe they migrate out of the area. if they did, I think people would see them more.

The way they're logging in the unit, in my opinion, is to stay hidden. Yeah, I believe, you know, their opportunity. I had a guy I worked with said that he's seen one. He thought he's seen one that was wrapped in a tarp, you know, going through the woods. It found a tarp and wrapped itself up in one. Yeah, interesting. I guess it's not too far off. You read old accounts of when people.

People used to put their clothes out, dry them in the yard. And there's a bunch of old accounts where people would see these creatures with clothes on. Looks like they stole it off a clothes line and was actually wearing it. And I've always, you know, you can pass the first one off, but I've read many accounts like that. Early 1900s, late 1800s of them wearing clothes. And you're like, where did they get the clothes from? And I'm sure they jacked it off one of those lines. You know, it was before the dryer, the washer and dryer, how we can't wash clothes now.

but that's fascinating. I've never heard anyone say that. Why do you think they're so hard to catch up with? Do you think they're just so smart, or do you think there's something else going on? Well, we had, they never been in the woods. We wanted to give them a case of what we do, what we do out in the woods.

We had two girls that were probably about them, getting 12 to 13 with their dads, about a 19-year-old gal and her boyfriend, and then a woman in her early 50s with her boyfriend. And we got a total of about eight knocks, and we got a vocalization that a 19-year-old girl heard through the palombalic ear. And she was almost in pure. She'd come walking up to me, and she said, I hear him talking. And I made the same sound that they made.

She shook her head, yes, yes, is what I'm hearing. And at the end of the night, we kind of talked about it. My opinion, whether it was juveniles, they were just curious to what these feet. males were doing out there and these people were doing out there. And after they'd had enough, they just simply vanished. But, yeah, they're very intelligent. They're not going to be seen by accident, not unless they want to. You plan on going in the woods with three, four, or five people.

Your chances of seeing one are very slim. You'll be lucky if you get a haul or a knock. They know when you're there, they hear you. I mean, her senses are so much better than ours as far as their sense of hearing or smell or eyesight. It's just amazing. I got two native team members, Native Americans, and we were north of here at a location. This was about a month ago. This is the video that hasn't been released yet.

Towards the end of the night, we heard a, we did a series of calls and that, and towards the end of the night, we heard a, oh, and we were just standing here. Oh, my God, did you just hear this? It was like to the south of us. Well, then a pack of coyotes went nuts. Just let loose yipping and hauling and all this. And then shortly after that, we got a return call from another one to the north of us, did the same type of, you know, and the issue we had with the splitter on the

ballback ear was not working correctly. We picked up the sound, but it's not very loud. And I think we sent that off to see if it could be cleaned up to put on the video. But to hear something like that in the woods, if you weren't a believer then, you would be after you heard something like that. Because I don't think anything human could have made the noise that I heard. It was just unbelievable. Was it kind of like the Ohio Hall? Is that kind of what you heard?

I don't know if I've heard the Ohio Hall or not. Oh, let me play it for you. Okay. That's what you heard. Yeah, it's... It made the air on the back of my neck stand up. Yeah, I bet. I bet, man.

If I was standing out there, that'd make the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Have you ever had any aggression when you're out there beyond just rocks being thrown in your general direction? We had... We'd done a filming of finding Bigfoot up here. And we talked about the location where that game reserve is, and we did the overnight filming there.

When we did get a tree knock, we had something crashed, through the woods. But this was in July, so about in November, I went into the area of deer hunting. And I felt sick right away on opening morning. I felt like I was having a heart attack.

I just felt nauseous. So I got up and got out of the area. So I'd fly. Walk back into that stand that I had and I started getting anxiety attacks, which I never get those. It was just weird. So I finished the day out.

I came back here and I basically ate. went to bed. I was tired of hell. I mean, I was just completely wore out. And that's what they call improsone. I had that happen one other time on a trail. I was back on the trail, and I was at the end of the trail, there was a swamp.

And all of a sudden, I had the feeling of dread. Like, I had to get out of it. I couldn't get out of it fast enough. And, you know, I got a rifle and a pistol on me. I've got nothing to be afraid of. But anyways, the second day going out to the stand, this is right after the InfraStown. I heard something crashing through the water

under the Beaver's Pond right next to the stand. And it didn't sound like a deer. It sounded like two-legged splash, splash, splash. And shortly after that, I was sitting in the dark. I was waiting for daylight. And I could hear these objects hitting the ground around me, crashing through the brush and three branches. And later on, once it got light,

When it got light, by the way, it stopped. I had seen rocks and some branches, pretty good-sized branches, laying on the ground within, you know, 10 to 15 feet of the deer stand that I was in. And another thing that was kind of fascinating is prior to that, I had trail cam video, countless deer. I bet I had over 30 deer into that area. I didn't see anything the whole time I was out there, not one deer. Whatever it was in there was scaring them on.

They weren't coming into the area. But that's about as aggressive as I've ever had him get with me. One of our founder of the Minnesota Bigfoot Research Team, Abe Doreal, he went out and did an investigation to the west of me. He actually went to the air thinking of having a heart attack. There again, we believe that they wanted him out of there. There might have been young ones in that area and they wanted him out of there and that was their way of doing it with its form of infrasound. You know, I don't know.

Infrasound for people that don't know what that is. It's kind of like a grillers can do it. I believe lions can do it. It's a high-pitched noise that we're unable to hear with the human ear, but we can sense it. They can either lull you into feeling helpless or tired or can put fear in you. I've read different things about it.

But we believe that Bigfoot has the capability of doing that just by talking to other people. have the same experiences. It's interesting. Yeah, it is fascinating. It's really fascinating, Mike. I got to have you back. I know you've had so many strange things happen, so many encounters.

I definitely have to have you back. I wanted to hear your sighting encounters and kind of what you've been doing now. But I really appreciate coming back coming on the show, Mike. Would you come back? Oh, I'd be happy to agree. I love talking Bigfoot. Yeah, no, I do too. Well, thank you again for coming on.

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Shane, thanks for coming on. Hey, glad to be here. Thank you for having me. Yeah, I really appreciate being here. And I've been following you for many years. And it all started with your encounter from when you were young. Now, there's other things I want to get into. I know you have a documentary coming up.

But can you take us back to that moment, Shane, when you were a child and walk us into what happened? What were you out doing? And what did you see? So I was on my uncle's land just outside of West Plains, Missouri, which is, It's down in the southwest part of Missouri. And his dog had run off. His dog was, he was part doby and part lab. So he looked just like a doby, but a thicker chest.

And he would run out and chase deer. And, you know, he'd disappear all day long, but usually my uncle could whistle. And within 10 or 15 minutes he'd come running. And that day he didn't. So he asked me to go out and holler for him. And I ended up, you know, we played his kids out on my uncle's land all the time. During the summer when I wasn't in school, I actually stayed out there during the day. So being in the woods out there was very normal for me and a few of my cousins.

So anyway, went out and crossed the pasture and went to the edge of the woods and started hollering for him. and he wasn't coming. So I, you know, went up on end of the woods a little ways and kind of started heading back eastward. And I just all, I just remember all of a sudden I got this weird, crazy, crazy feeling like almost a like a tingling sensation that runs up your spine or that, or that feeling that you get when somebody's watching you when your back is to him. It's the only way I know to explain it. Yeah. So I get this, this vibe.

and this crazy feeling and I and I stopped and I I already understood I think in my mind that I knew something was there and I stopped and just focused straight ahead and what I know now to be a young male stepped out from behind this tree from about 30 foot from me and it just stood there and stared at me and you know it seemed like it seemed like forever as a kid and and i remember back then too i remember like the thing was it was large to me it looked like you know an almost an adult human size if i was going to compare it to us um but you know i i understand now at this point in my life that it was a younger male not an older male and that that that fear that you would expect it wasn't there.

It was almost as if I was in shock. I didn't know what I was seeing. I'd never heard of Bigfoot or Sasquatch or whatever you want to call these things. So I just stood there and gazed at it and it gazed back at me. And it was maybe for, you know, eight seconds, 10 seconds, max. And it turned around and it walked away. It never looked back at me. And it walked up and over this shallow hill and went out of view.

And that's when my instinct kicked in on me. And I turned and ran all the way back to the house. And by the time I got back, I was crying. And, you know, the fear set in after the fact. Yeah, that's fascinating. There's a couple. Urquah, Shane. I'm sorry.

I apologize. Well, I got back to the house. And my dad had. showed back up at this point. And as I got close to the house, I had to cross through a fence, just old barbed wire fence. And as I'm crossing through it, I was yelling because I'd seen noticed that my dad's car was there. He heard me and come out and met me at the porch. And, you know, of course, wanted to know what was wrong. And he ended up taking me in and got me settled down. And of course, he wanted to know what the deal was. And I told him what had happened.

and, you know, of course, being a father, you know, you don't, if you don't think these things are real or know them to be real, it's hard to hear a kid say that it's real or what they saw was real, you know, so he basically tried to convince me that I was just young and scared and seeing shadows. And that was kind of it, you know, I didn't, I didn't play in the woods for quite a while. I definitely, even after I started, you know, getting back into the woods with my cousins, I wouldn't go out alone. And eventually, you know, within a, it was a, it wasn't a long period of time. I just kind of put it in the back of my mind and got over it and didn't really think about it ever again. Well, let me ask you before you on, can, for the audience, can you describe what you saw? So you're standing there. This thing steps out.

And can you describe what you saw? Yeah, it was, you know, of course, covered in hair. It's, I was more than anything, I was focused on its eyes. It's like, you know, my focus was eye to eye with it. And so my, you know, your peripheral vision kind of views everything else. And so like the facial features are what stick out the most in my mind. The eyes were brown. They were inset.

Of course, the large brow ridge. The nose was more like ours than what most people typically described that I've heard. The lips were really flat, more, for lack of a better explanation, they were more ape-like, I guess, you could say. The skin was a dark gray color. You could see the skin through the hair on the face. face. The hair on the face was was thinner than the rest of its body. You know, I remember that, you know, just knowing that it was a male, and that was something that, you know, I had never really thought about, but, you know, seeing it later on in life in my head and going back over those

moments and stuff. The, uh, when it turned around and walked away was probably the moment where I actually looked at this thing up and down. And, you know, my focus wasn't set on one specific thing. The only way I can explain it is a cross between eight features and human features. I mean, that explains it really well if you were to picture that. Yeah, and I was going to ask you that, did it look more manlike? Did it look more? Because I've heard you talk about this before in the past.

And it didn't have an expression. It was kind of stone-faced when it was looking. at you. It didn't, you can correct me if I'm wrong, Shane, but it didn't have any, from what I've heard, I feel like I'm telling it now, sorry. I've heard you tell this before, but it's expression never changed, correct? Yeah, never, not once. There was like zero expression in the face. The eyes, you know, I don't even recall the eyes blinking, you know, and I couldn't tell you if mine did, to be honest. Yeah. I don't even recall its eyes blinking. It was just, like you said, completely stone faced.

Yeah, and there's a couple questions I want to ask you. One thing I find fasting I've heard you talk about before in the past, and I know we have a lot to get to, but I wanted to ask you this because I don't hear too many investigators and stuff out there talking about this is when they're in the area, you can feel they're in the area. And I don't know how to explain that to anyone. I don't understand it myself. It's not like, you know, um,

you're getting some weird signal. It's just this weird feeling when they come around. And it's like you almost know they're there. And that sounds very insane probably to most people listening, but it's true. After you've had an encounter and you're in an area, you can definitely fill there in the area. And I've heard you say that, Shane, what's your take on that? Do you think it's just you become sensitive after seeing one? Or do you think, I mean, what do you think causes that?

I don't know. I've actually went through a lot of different thought processes, just trying to figure out what could be, you know, tipping the body, a person's body off like that. And I've looked into infrasound, and infrasound is the first direction that I actually went because my father was infrasound sensitive. And only like supposedly 2% of the population is infrasound sensitive. and he was one of those 2%. He was a truck driver and he couldn't drive to Southern California and parts of New Mexico because the humming in his head would just like driving crazy. So knowing that, and after looking into it, I haven't went and got tested,

so I can't say that I'm in for sound sensitive, but just going off of that and with the theories out there that they've, there's. I've heard people talk about infrasound, and so I started studying it, looking into it, and thinking maybe that's what I was feeling. And I didn't understand back then that other people were having these feelings, too, you know, that they could tell when something was around. And not even necessarily, you know, this species that we're out here chasing around in the woods. I'm one of those people that you absolutely can't sneak up on. and my sons are that away. I have three boys, and all three of them are really hard to sneak up on.

They fill your presence. And I've done, I've actually trained them to be that away. And a lot of it involves scaring them a lot, which is fun for dads, right? Yeah. Do you think it's in for sound, though? I'll tell you, I'll give it to your rules. Let me give it to you a real straight here for a moment. I felt that one other time.

and it was in a haunted house. It was in a legitimately haunted house. And there was an absolute poltergeist activity going on in the home. And it's very, the feeling is very familiar to that. It's the feeling of being watched. It's the, there's something not right in the air. And now I'm not saying Sasquatches a ghost, you know, but what I'm saying is that feeling is very familiar.

And if it was infrasound, I think you'd have the symptoms of infersound, wouldn't you? I mean, infrasound can cause a lot of, of problems make you sick, make you depressed, make you, I mean, they can turn the dials and change your emotions on the dials. And I don't, I won't really say it's like that. It's not like I'm sick in an area. It's not like I'm disoriented or there's nausea. It's just this high alert that kicks on. And you know what I'm talking about because I've heard you talk about it before. It's this weird high alert that kicks on. And I can't really, you know, you're out there with people and they think you're nuts because you're like, they're in the area. But you can't.

articulate why you feel that way because you haven't heard anything yet. Nothing's been thrown. No one's seen anything yet. You're like the kook in the group that's like, I don't like this. We've got to get out of here. And I don't know. You could be onto something. Maybe it's never for sound.

What do I know? I'm just a dumb hick from Washington. I'm pretty convinced it isn't. Like I said, if I want to know, I'll look into it and I study pretty hard and get very familiar with what I'm, you know, what I'm looking at and thinking about. and I'm pretty positive. It's not at this point. I looked into it.

I couldn't prove it. I am going to be using some equipment in the near future that will pick up infrasound. And that is just to convince myself and anybody that has that theory out there that it's not true. That's kind of how we roll, man. We don't care if we have. have an idea, we're going to try to figure out a way to prove it wrong or right. I like it. And if we prove it wrong, we're cool with that because, I mean, say I have a theory.

If I can prove that theory wrong, it makes no difference to me. If it's wrong, that's one less thing that I have to look at and think about. You know, and so that's kind of what we're out to do, not just prove these things are real and prove that they're out there. But we're also out to prove that a lot of these things that people are thinking about and really dive and headfirst into, we're out to prove that some of us BS, you know. I hear you. Well, and I want to jump ahead. There's a little incident. If we have time, we'll discuss it. But you didn't actually start getting back into this until like 2014. And if my memory is right, you were actually out with your family when you had an encounter.

And it kind of brought you back into looking into this. Is that correct? Yeah, 2013. Yeah, 2013. You're working now on, and forgive me for going all over the board, but you're working now on a documentary. Tell us about that. What experiences were you guys having? What's the documentary going to be about?

Kind of share with us what you have coming up. Well, so basically, I, I got brought into some private property, and this private property had some things going on, and they already had one friend that was out there that had been hiking around and checking things out and whatnot, and he ended up getting a hold of me. And from there, basically, we spent all of last year just kind of being a little, a normal presence out there. The first day that he took me out there, we actually got a visual of one.

And at this point, we think it may be a young female is the one that we possibly saw that first time I went out there with him. And there's reasons in the documentary that kind of explain that and why we think that now. But we spent the whole last year being a normal presence, kind of getting a routine going, in certain areas of the property and doing a lot of things that I haven't really put out publicly. I've just kind of kept to myself. And basically a lot of it is the same things I did back in 2013. And back then, I ruined the situation by giving chase.

And at that point, everything just almost came to immediate stop. So I just basically kind of went back into that same. situation in this different area. And after doing all these same things for the past year, I brought in Randy Harrington, which you just did an interview with recently. And a guy named Chris Reinhardt, who's out of Connecticut. He's Berkshire Bigfoot on YouTube. And I have a buddy here that does this with me.

They actually got me onto the property, and his name's Mark Taylor Gardner. He goes by M. Beast. That's how most people know him. Yeah, I know, Mark. Yeah. Yeah, he's, so, you know, it's just a, I've met Randy. I'd never actually met Chris, but we talked a lot on the phone and just, you know, a lot of commonalities and whatnot, just a good guy.

More than anything, I was trying to bring in the right people that were trustworthy and that I could count on, you know, and it would count on me. And we've all kind of got the same mindset as far as how we want to go about getting the evidence and I had a situation where I felt like it was time to to try to get some good evidence and so I brought Randy in he uh his specialty and I know you've talked to him a lot but he loves the nighttime stuff with his flur and the audio and Chris Reinhart loves the daytime stuff he had never done any nighttime stuff and uh let me tell you after the first night he was on edge the whole five days I think

I remember Randy talking about this on the empty tent episode, but don't let that vary what you're going to tell me. Go ahead. Just tell me what happened. I'm curious to know when you guys went out there. So, you know, the first night, we get there and we set up camp and whatnot, spent a few hours doing that. And then myself and Mark go down towards where this creek ends. and we hadn't been down there just a few minutes, and Mark callers at me,

hey, we got tracks. So we found how there was like 21 tracks altogether and three different sizes. And, of course, we casted several of them. And the ones that we casted were the ones that I'm most interested because I find them the most. And they're about a nine and a half inch track. they were nine last year now they're almost 10 they're between nine and a half and ten and that's the reason that i'm most interested in them because they're the ones that i've found the most and that i found the best tracks of so we can compare the the same tracks year to year and show the morphology

of the foot if we get good casts so we got those cats we went back to camp we left them there to dry. We had dinner. It got dark. We went back down. We hiked back down about, it was between 10.30 and 11 o'clock. And Randy had the floor set up. And about three quarters of the way down there, we got a flirt hit. And so this thing was in this particular spot about 50 yards from us between us and the creek. And when it would drop down, you could see it was, it looked like it's dry. It looks like it's dropping down on all fours. And you can see. And you can see. the flat of its back, and then it would pop its head up. And at one point, you can see what looks like the left shoulder and left arm. And anyway, we videoed this for about, we got about three

minutes of footage. And, yeah, why we stopped the footage at that point, you know, that'll, that'll come out later. But we went back the next day and found where this thing was, and we did a recreation of it with me where it was and the thing is the head is bigger it's just it's it's larger i could completely disappear and this thing couldn't so we also found the next day um where something we assume the subject had went through this particular area and uh and this is also the same subject that we believe left the tracks that we casted which is the which is kind of the cool thing. We were down there casting his tracks and on the way to get him, we got this floor footage. So the second night, we went up to an area that I call the, I call Crawler Hill,

because I have caught a video in the past up there of what seems to be one kind of spider crawling and popping up and you can see the shoulders in the head. And we went there. We hiked up there about 11 o'clock and you know we were up there till i think 2 30 that morning but we hadn't been up there maybe 10 minutes and uh got the floor set up and we all sat in this spot and uh boom one stepped out from behind the tree and and we got about 10 minutes of footage of this thing pacing back and forth between these two trees and squatting down occasionally and at one point i get up and when I get up, it reacts to me getting up and it jumps behind the tree. So it was exciting.

It was really exciting that we were getting all this action. And we had a bait area set up. And I moved these bait stations around occasionally. And there's things that we're leading into now where nothing will be able to get to the things that I'm leaving out there. Like absolutely nothing other than a bear. and if a bear does it, you'll be able to tell. So we're setting things up to where there's only, you know, one or two things that can possibly get to this stuff. It's working into that.

But we had some action, and we have an apple that's been bitten in half. It's actually still in my freezer. We're trying to decide who to send it to, and we're waiting to hear back from somebody right now that may do some DNA testing for us. And since then, we've gotten another apple that looks like it possibly dug its fingernail through the apple. So we have two apples that we may have some possible DNA on. And as soon as we get some word on that, you know, if we get the opportunity to send them off, we're just going to send them off. But we're being real picky and choosy and with who we deal with. and more than anything, we think that we found somebody that's kind of new to it and excited about doing it and will, you know, not jack us around at all.

Yeah. It's trustworthy. And, you know, I know a lot of people send things off, but I also know, you know, of a few people that have sent things off, knowing what they were, acquired their hair themselves and sent it off saying it was possible Bigfoot. and it came back as a completely different animal than what it actually was. Like, it wasn't even tested. So I know of those cases, so we've been real picky about who we're going to deal with. Yeah, I don't blame you. I remember when Randy was telling me the story, I was giving him crap,

because you and I both know Randy's like 6-5 and 300 pounds of muscle. And I was giving him crap. He was like, yeah, I was trying to tell one of the guys to go over there and when you're talking about the one bouncing its head up and down, he's like, should I send someone over to flush it out? And I just bust up laughing. I was like, you go over there and flush it out. You guys are insane, man.

Who's going to go over there and float? You're the biggest guy here. You go do it. We actually, that actually happened. On night three, we were hiking back up. On night three, it was just three of us. And we were hiking back up to the crawler area where we'd gotten the footage the night before. And on the way up there, we got a hit off to our west.

And it was real thick. We couldn't see through it, but we could clearly see the hit. heat signature and it almost, you could almost see a head and shoulders at one point. And Randy looked at me and I looked at him and I took off, I took off into the woods towards it. And I didn't get my, you know, I didn't get my eyes on what it was, but it was in a little covert with a big, big, big tree sitting on the top edge of it. And whatever it was, it had been down in there and it bolted on me. And I didn't even get it with my flashlight.

But it was one of those moments. I mentioned Chris Reinhart was on edge the whole time. On night three, this is only his third night, you know, doing the type of investigation that we do down here. And, you know, he's got me the only person that can get him out of those woods running off into the woods towards a heat signature, you know. So he was wondering why he was out there with us, I think, at times. Yeah. No, I understand. And it's, gosh, there's so much to happen between now, between your first encounter and this situation.

And I may have to have you back, Shane, to tell that other from 2013 to, I think it was 2014 or 15 of this area. When you were actually in observing four, there was four creatures, family group. And it's kind of a long story. There was five actually, but one of them I only saw one time. I got you. It's kind of a long story. and I may have to have you back for that. But that's what basically brought you to this property.

And I feel bad. I'm all over the boards. Forgive me, Shane. No, you're good. When you guys went out to that property, what was the guy who owns a property? What did he say to you guys? Well, so he stays in a small cabin. It's actually kind of a trailer that's been built around.

But he was having structures that started popping up all over. his property and him and his buddy they were going out with you know night scopes and stuff and they were seeing what they thought were people out on his land and you know they'd go sit and just be quiet and watch and they would see figures and so for I don't know for several months they went through him and his buddy tearing down these structures that were popping up and and, you know, their intent was to run these, what they thought were poachers off and keep them off the property. They even shot at them a few times, not trying to hit them actually, but just, you know, shooting, I shouldn't say shot at them. They shot in the air to scare them.

Right, trying to scare them away. Yeah. Yeah, thinking they were people. And so after that, excuse me, some of these structures started showing. up behind his, like, you know, I'm talking 20 yards into the woods behind his little cabin and he stays in a lot. Not too long after that started happening, he had a logging company come in and they logged this one particular valley area of his property. And that's when some of the crazy things started happening. I mean, you could randomly go out there and there would be

different rocks up on top of his roof laying up there from where, you know, he's, you know, he was telling us rocks were coming out of the woods and landed on top of his place. And he had a couple of the people that I've talked to since meeting him said that they were out there one night out front and a couple of rocks come flying over from the woods and landed out in the front yard. And so it started kind of freaking him out once he started really thinking about what could be out there throwing rocks and what were. we're making these structures, and he kind of started looking into it. And my buddy, Mark, M. Beast, he had started going out and hiking around during the day out there and checking stuff out. And he had a few experiences, and, you know, that all kind of led to bringing me into the situation. So this documentary, when is the documentary coming out?

I realize that's probably a vague question, and you're probably going to be a vague question. and you're probably going to be me a vague answer on it. And I've been down this road a couple times, so I get it. But generally, when is that documentary going to come out? Is it going to include all the video you guys shot? Because I'd love to see that flur. It is. It's going to include all the video.

Basically, this documentary is not set up as an entertainment-style documentary. I was offered a TV ordeal last year, and I negotiated with them for three months. And I didn't want to be involved in anything that had any fakery or like super fancy editing. Because you know how it is, man. You can edit stuff and you can take somebody that's a cool person and make them look like a butthole. Right. Yeah. It's easy.

And so I was really scared of that. And so that basically led to doing this documentary. And a lot of it was just spending the time setting up the situation, you know, and getting everything kind of on the runway for us to be able to come in and do our thing, you know. That was probably the biggest part. And this documentary that we filmed was really the easy part. And it's not going to be, you know, a hoopla, hurrah. It's basically going to be all evidence-based.

It's all, there's no BS in it. It's all real. it's all shots from either me or Chris or Randy. Of course, we, you know, went to professionals to have it put together. They actually started, I talked to them today, and they actually start editing Monday. So it's just now in the beginning of, you know. You're pretty far off. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, I'm hoping in a couple months, we can maybe get it out. No, I hear it. Well, I'd love to see it. I know Randy came on. I don't know if you heard the empty tent episode, but he was talking about that night. You guys were out there. And I thought, God, what a great opportunity.

And I was here to, I was glad to hear you guys were out there, the ones actually out there because, I don't know, man. A lot of these guys go out and I'm just like, I've had guys go out, start popping off shots and, you know, under the guides of we're Bigfoot researchers. And it's like, you're on someone's property, man. You got to take it easy a little bit. And I was so glad to hear you guys go out. I know Randy pretty well. Randy's no nonsense. You know, there's no BS with him.

Absolutely. That's one of the main reasons that I brought Randy into the situation was because of that. And that is, you know, there's a lot to be said for integrity. And just, you know, people knowing that you're not going to be faking stuff and whatnot. And, you know, nobody wants to be involved with anybody like that. So I spent a lot of time, like, vetting the people. that I wanted to bring in to the situation.

And he was just, you know, he was the number one prime candidate when I first started looking. Yeah, Randy's one of those guys to approach. Yeah, I didn't mean, cut you off shame. But Randy's one of those guys, you're kind of like this too. One thing I've always liked about Randy's outside of the box thinker. And I know I got to have you back to, we're going to run out of time. But I got to have you back to tell the when you were interacting with the family group, because you were kind of doing the same thing.

I noticed with Randy trying to think outside of the box, you know, how can I trick them? How can I play the game with them? And you both are outside of the box thinkers. I wanted to ask you, what do you think that Sasquatch is? What's your honest opinion? Obviously, you know, there's no wrong answer. You know, honestly, I don't have an opinion that it's completely open. I don't have anything this fact-based that can really give me an opinion.

And, you know, if I was to go off of what I've seen, I would have to say they're just, you know, something between us and apes. That's, you know, that's really all I can say. That's really the only way I can put it because, you know, opinions change constantly. And I hate changing my opinion. I'm stubborn. And once I have an opinion, man, I, you know, I stick. to it till death do us part. And so I just try not to get too opinionated and get set in any solid way of thinking.

I just, you know, I want to know what they are. I don't want to, I don't want to guess. And there's evidence that's going to give us those answers. And that's, that's all we're trying to do. That's all we're, that's all we're going to be doing. we have another trip planned October 4th, and we're going to go out and do the same thing. On that guy's property? Same thing.

Yeah, same place. I go out there every weekend, and I do the same things every weekend when I'm out there. And, you know, the things that I would expect to happen are happening. And so we're just kind of going, we're falling in line with the motion of the situation, basically, is the best way to put it. There's nothing too crazy or special that we've done to get the recent stuff that we got. It was just prepping the situation correctly and doing things, you know. Yeah, I'm more of on the long, and you may disagree with me on this, but I think honestly, if you could get past the government. So there's a bunch of ifs and a bunch of obstacles, but I honestly think one has to be shot and brought in.

It's just the way it's got to be. There's no other way around it. You can bring all the footage you want, bring all the fliers you want. It's fascinating. It's fascinating to sit and watch. It's fascinating to sit and hear people's encounters. It's fascinating to sit and listen to sounds. But at the end of the day, I really think one has to be shot and brought in just the way it has to be.

What's your take? You know, I'm a no-kill guy. I just, and I've, you know, I've, you know, I've. hunted for years growing up and I have no problem killing an animal but you know my problem is when you look into the eyes of these things you you don't at least I didn't I have never gotten the sense that I was looking into the eyes of an animal I mean it's absolutely not looking into the eyes of a gorilla I've done that you know I've been interested in apes and monkeys my whole life And if I was at the zoo, I was at the, I was at one of the primate areas, you know, when you look into the eyes of these things, you do not see an animal.

I respect that. At least I didn't. At least I didn't see one. So it would be, it's not something that I could do because of that. And, you know, is that what it's going to take? Unfortunately, it probably is what it's going to take. we're going to do what we can with our situation to bring some light into it without having to do that stuff. Yeah, I hear you.

Hopefully, I mean, that's our goal, you know, is to get, not only get footage, but keep getting footage over and over and over and over. And my goal is to get, you know, 4K footage from 30 foot, crystal clear out in the open. and I've been in that situation before, but it's not when I was in the mindset of trying to prove anything. Right. It was when it first happened to me, you know. Yeah. In 2013, I got within 30 foot several times. So that's what I'm trying to recreate.

I'm trying to get back to that same situation because it'll, you know, will it absolutely prove it 100%? No, but, you know, it's all, it's the only other route we can go. No, I respect that. I respect that. Yeah. No, I, and it's hard not to respect anything you just said. You know, it's, you kind of make me look like an asshole, but I'm just, I'm just playing with you, Shane. It's my poor sense of humor. If that needs to be done for it to be proven, then it is what it is. You know what I mean?

I'm just not the guy for that. No, I hear you. I respect that. I like your answer, you know, hey, I looked in the eyes of this thing and I don't think I could kill it. It's hard not to respect an answer like that. I know I couldn't. I mean, I've told Randy and the other guys, you know, my, I would absolutely love to get bluff charged. Like, you know, that would be, like, that's the kind of footage I want.

I'm not the guy that's going to turn and run and piss his pants. I'm the guy that's going to stand my ground and get the footage, you know? And I think I've, we've proven these things to each other, you know. Randy will do the same thing. And I'm pretty sure Chris would at this point. And I know M.B. still do it. You know, so if we get the opportunity, we're going to, you know, we're going to take it and just hope that it comes and gets hurt. Well, I wish the success and I wish you the best on it.

And, you know, I've been wanting to interview for a long time, Shane. And I was so glad to have the opportunity to bring you on. I'm glad to hear what you guys are doing. I respect what you guys are doing. And that's a great, you know, it's very slim. It's hard to find this in the Bigfoot world. where people disagree and they still respect each other. For whatever reason, for some, for some reason in the Bigfoot world,

if you disagree with someone, you have to hate that person. And I don't, I don't buy into that. A lot of the Bigfoot community is crazy right now. Yeah, it's completely insane. Yeah. I stay out of it as much as possible. Yeah, you mean both. You know, the other thing, too, is, you know, you have no disrespect to anybody

who's got a Patreon account or GoFundMe's, no disrespect at all. but I've done everything, just like Randy. Randy has spent so much money doing this for years, you know. I've spent a ton of money. The other guys have spent a ton of money. We've self-funded ourselves, and it's gotten to the point where with a situation, I felt like, you know, versus doing a TV deal or having somebody backing us, that's going to play into the situation to a point where you,

you can lose control of the situation, you know, and the way the situation is is what makes it special right now at this point. And we couldn't, or I couldn't really take the chance of that. And our hope and goal is that we can do decent off of this documentary, and anything that we make off this documentary is going into a research fund. And basically what we're going to, going to be doing is we're going to do this and make everything we can off of it and it's going to go into a six-month, four-to-six-month research study in this particular area where we're going now and where we've gotten this recent footage. And we're literally going to stay there for four months at least, hopefully six months. like we're literally going to live there and just become a normal thing. You know, it's, think of, you think of Jane Goodall, you know.

It's, in my mind, it's going to take that approach to get these creatures to get used to you, you know, be relaxed around you. It's going to take something like that to get the footage that we want to get. So that's what we're planning on doing. And none of it's going to go in our pockets. Literally, we're going to use every bit of it for equipment and to, you know, take care of our food and all that. Kind of take the burden off of us and our wives. You know, of course, our wives are happy to have that burden gone. Yeah.

No, I understand. We just feel like that's the only way that anything really good is going to be done other than the occasional, you know, lucky, crappy video. photo, you know, and I've got those myself. It's just not something I really put out anymore because it doesn't help the situation. It doesn't help the overall flow of what's out there and what's coming out. And, you know, I don't know if it's just me, but it doesn't seem like recently there's been much going on in the past year, year and a half as far as people getting evidence, you know. No, it doesn't really seem like there has been, it really doesn't. Well, let me know if I can help you guys in any way.

You know, you guys want to promote the documentary or if there's anything I can do to help you guys. Doors always open. I've told Randy that before. I mean, Randy can come on the show anytime he wants. And that offer is open to you too as well, Shane. If there's anything I can do to help you guys, please let me know. We appreciate that, man. Appreciate it a lot.

And I appreciate you coming on. Thanks so much. No problem. And I'll have to have you back, Shane. I know there's so much more we were supposed to get to tonight, but I promised you we wouldn't be on here for like five hours talking. I'll definitely have to have you back. Will you come back?

Absolutely. Anytime. Thanks again, Shane. All right, thank you. Be good, brother. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

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