Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:474 The one eyed Sasquatch

Episode Date: September 25, 2018

I will be welcoming Donald to the show. He encountered a Sasquatch late one night and wasn't sure what he was looking at. Donald says "I was out with friends in the middle of nowhere and I watching this strange eyeshine, it looked like one eye not two. I thought was a cougar. I decided it would be better to leave. I was trying to turn the car around on this little country road and that is when the headlights lit this creature up. I can explain to you what it looked like, it was only 8 feet from my headlights standing in the tree line like a statue. Before I explain to you what I saw, this thing was injured. It looked like it was in a fight or something because the other eye was all mangled. Now I understand why only one eye was giving off eyeshine…."

Black thing go from left to right and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was a horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-uh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. You're probably wondering what are you doing here on Tuesday. The additional show this week is all because of MyBooky. So you can definitely thank My Bookie. They've been showing a lot of love to Sasquatch Chronicles. I hope the fans go out and return the love to MyBooky. But the additional show is sponsored tonight by MyBooky. And I'll be talking to Donald.

And Donald had a very fast, he actually had two very fascinating encounters. And they both happened in Florida. When I first spoke to Donald, he started telling me the very first encounter. And I was thinking, well, it's, you know, and I had to break away. But it sounded like an I shine encounter. And then when I called him back, he finished what happened. I was just like, oh, my God, you know, this is an amazing account. But I won't ruin it.

I'll let Donald go into it tonight. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can sign up, become a member, get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Donald. Donald, thanks for coming on. Yes, sir. Absolutely. Thank you.

Yeah, thank you for coming on. I really appreciate it. And I know you had two encounters in Florida. Let's talk about the first one. If you would, would you kind of just start from the beginning. Tell us what you're out doing and what happened. Oh, yes, sir. This was about April of 1990, and it was me and my best friend, Eddie, and his girlfriend at the time, which later became my girlfriend. wife. It was during the week. We didn't have any money, any funds to go anywhere. And we ended up deciding there's an area on the northern side of Panama City Beach. And it borders the intercoastal waterway and West Bay. And it's just a long logging road and it dead ends right at the

water's edge. And normally during the daytime, we would go out there and wade fish. And right where you parked the car on the left side of the road, as your front of your vehicle's face in the water, there's one row of pine trees, mature planted pines that separate that road, that little dirt road you're on, from the ditch. And directly behind the planted pines, this ditch, it drops down about three foot and it's a small ditch. It's only about a foot and a half to two foot wide and probably six inches deep on average. But the land on that side, it goes up about a foot higher than the water.

It's much lower than the side that you park on. And it's several hundred acres of planted pines, young pines. They were anywhere from 10 to 15,000. foot. There were a few that were probably 20 foot, but most of them were in the 10 to 15 foot size. The side that you parked a vehicle on was mature pines, and it went, oh, geez, probably a mile or better toward the east, and it was all large, mature planted pines, 45 to 60 foot tall. we decided to go down there. It was nice that evening.

It was cool. And so we figured we'd just go park out there. We had spring break crowds here on the beach. And we didn't want to be up in the crowds. And we didn't have money to put enough gas in the car to just sit in traffic and burn our fuel out. So we drove out there to park and just enjoy the weather. We had a big moon that night. And no wind.

It was just a really just a. perfect, perfect night. And as I pull down the road, this road is a long dirt road. As you're traveling down, it's probably three and a half to four miles, and you get to a spot. You have to go left or right, or you'll run off into them big ponds. And you turn left, you, it goes about 50 to 60 yards, and then it, it, it, runs into that ditch and then it turns right and it heads north for about 100 yards and it dead ends at the water's edge.

And we were on that little strip that ran right into the water. Well, I got out and I sat on the hood of the car right above the driver tire. And my girlfriend, she was in the front seat with me. When she come around and I was sitting on the car and she was standing facing me between my legs and we were just chatting how a young couple does. We talk about a whole lot of nothing and a little bit of something important. But we were just chatting and join each other's company. And Eddie and his girlfriend were in the back seat.

They decided to stay in the car. As I was talking to my girlfriend, I looked over her shoulder. And at the angle where I was sitting, I'm just above her shoulder down on the other side that ditch was a light. It was about the same color as one of them sticks that you break and you shake them up and they glow that bright green. Yeah, the glow sticks, yeah. But that was, yes, sir, yes, sir. And that was the color of it.

It was really bright. It was not admitting light like one of them glow sticks would. But it wasn't like dye reflection that you'll get. get off an animal. But it was bright. It looked like it was, it had an LED in it. And it was real close to the water, and I figured it was a glow bug. And we kept talking, and as we were talking, this thing was, it started rising up, getting higher off the ground.

And I thought about it, and it ended up, it, it was just a couple feet off the ground at this time. it was large. And if you could picture in your mind what a triangle looks like, and if you were to turn it to where the top of the triangle is facing left, then the right side would should be a flat side. It wasn't flat. It was bulged out. It was sort of rounded.

But it was just bright and green. It was really pretty, but it was far. too large for a glowfly. But as it was rising up, I thought, well, shoot, that's a bobcat or a possum. And I told my girlfriend, I said, look, there's a bobcat or a possum right there on the side of the ditch. And she turned the glass at it. And then she went around and got in the car. They're from California.

She and her family are. And she's not keen on the animals or the wildlife. She's kind of spooked of them. Well, I sat back on the hood and watching it because it just fascinated me. I didn't know what it was. I knew it was some type of animal. And so it kept going. It was about guessing around five foot off the ground.

Still moving. It was still going upwards. And so I hop back off the hood and I walked to the driver's side back seat where Eddie was. And I told him, I said, Eddie, there's a bobcat right here by the stitch. climbing on their trees. And when he got to laughing and said, I don't want to see no dog on Bogcat, and he rolled the wind up.

And he doesn't care for the outdoors much unless he's surfing or doing something in the water. Well, I went back and got back on the hood of the car and got back in my little perch there and was watching it. And I just had an overwhelming, creepy feeling come over me. and I've never had it before. I don't even know how to explain it. It was just a really creepy feeling.

And as I was watching this thing, it's still rising. It was rising rather slow, but I got thinking about what's on that side of the ditch, and it's planted pines. And if you've ever been around a pine tree at all, you'll know how the bark is. It's flaky. It's very brittle if you touch it.

It cracks and pieces fall off. It's extremely loud if you brush against it. Down here, I don't know if it's everywhere, but down here in Florida, you could literally hear a lizard, a small chameleon. If he were to be on a pie and a climb, you can hear it. You can hear the crackling. And there was no sound. I mean, absolutely no sound.

And that's what I was listening for. And then I realized there's no sound of nothing. It was just dead. You couldn't hear any of the pine needles moving about. You couldn't hear anything. And I got a little nervous, so I hop down. And I was still standing there, but I against that front tire, and I was watching it. Well, it ended up, it kind of shifted, looking at it.

It shifted toward my left, which would have been south. and just for a second or two, it got really thin, probably about as thin as a pencil. And this thing was about the size of between a quarter and a half dollar. It was really large, but it just got incredibly thin just for a second. And then it started, it kind of floated upward a couple inches and fast. and that's when it dawned on me. I'm looking at an eye. What I thought was a human eye.

If you ever, you look in the mirror, the shape of your eyeball, which you can see following your eyelid, it's kind of oval with the point at each end. That's what I was looking at. But I had a very large solid black pupil in the center. And if the pupil weren't there, If it were just green, I wouldn't have never assumed it to be an eyeball.

But it just, when I seen it, fear came over me like somebody had poured a barrel of it on top of my head. It just spooked me to the core. Well, I scoot it over and got in the car, and I rolled my window up, and I crunked my car up. And Eddie said, what is it? Is it a bobcat getting here or something on them lines? I don't remember exactly. but he was asking about if it was a bobcat coming toward us. And I didn't answer him.

I was trying to get the car started and get it in position. This road, you can't just turn the car around. It's just a two-trail. You can pull in, pull all the way up to the water's edge. If you've got a four-wheel drive, you can pull out into the shallow part of the bay right there, and you can turn around. But in a car, you have to back out. and so I backed up a little and I was doing sort of three point turn motion trying to get the headlights over on it

and I finally got to where the lights were shining in that direction and my girlfriend started screaming hysterically and she climbed down into the floorboard on her back and she was kicking me in the leg and just going nuts kicking and Eddie's girlfriend in the back seat, she started screaming, and then Eddie started, he was yelling and hollering, and he started punching the back of my seat, punching the headrest, and he was hitting the roof of the car. And I couldn't see what they were looking at. The pine tree that was there, the driver's side headlight, was right up against it. And that tree was blocking me from seeing what was down there. but the other headlight, I think that's where the shadow came from. The other headlight must have hit him pretty good

because I could see to the left of the tree a shadow that looked like a man. And it was on the bank and over the brush right there. And so I backed the car up one more time and I turned hard left and I pulled up to my bumper hit the tree and that's when I've seen him. this guy was standing there wasn't a man and I was so confused I was amazed at the same time

but I couldn't understand what it was I was looking at the three of them were screaming and just throwing a ruckus and I guess being so scared I almost couldn't hear them and we were in the car with the windows up

and they were screaming and yelling and just everything faded to what sounded like a whisper. And what I was looking at, he was about eight feet, I guess, in front of my bumper. He was on the other side of that ditch. His toes were almost in the water. But there was, I don't know what it was. It had two legs. It looked like a human shape to it. But he was tall.

He was very tall. Before I hopped off the hood, before I seen him when I was still sitting on the hood, when that glowing light, when it got to the point that it stopped rising, he was just about eye level with me. And that side of the ditch is roughly three feet lower than the road that I was parked on. So he had to have been what I thought at the time around seven, seven and a half, eight feet, looking back on it, I'm thinking he would have been closer to nine to be at our level with me at that point.

But anyhow, as I was facing him, his body was facing me. He was standing with his, I had a full long frontal, and he was just feet in front of my bumper. But he had his head turned hard left, and he was looking out over that water, over the bay. And he wasn't looking at me. He was just standing there motionless. And he had a...

He was covered and would look like fur. It was extremely short, I would say around an inch to an inch and a half. And if you remember the old school camouflage that we used back in the 70s, the splotchy pattern, that was sort of how he was marked. The main color was a dirty white, kind of an off yellowy white.

And then he had splotches of, well, look, brown. Some of them were almost black. Some of them were a brown that had a reddish tent, about the color of a deer in the summertime, that reddish color. And then he had some gray splotches. But his entire body was covered in this camera. but his neck and head, there wasn't a difference in size. The diameter was all the same.

His neck looked too short, real stubby and stocky. And his head was a little like somebody just took it and remolded it. His forehead kind of, it slanted back. It didn't go up like ours. He had really thick eyebrows, I guess, that section kind of poked out where his eyebrows would be. And his nose was really, really short. He was really close to his cheeks.

It wasn't, it didn't stick out much at all. And his chin was, it looked like he had the chin from a five-year-old on him. It was from his bottom lip to the bottom part of his chin was only an inch or two. It was really short. And he had very small ears. They look like our ears, human ears, but they were probably, I'm guessing, about the size of a nickel. They were just tiny. And all the fur or hair that was on him was, his entire body was the same length.

His shoulders stood out, his shoulders in his legs. His shoulders were, they were very rounded right at the top. they were huge. And I would guess the size of a basketball, just abnormally huge and rounded. And he had his arms. They were straight at his sides. Both were just hanging there.

He was very motionless. He wasn't moving at all. And his hands, they weren't balled up in a fist, but his fingers were definitely bent. And I could see what I think was the first knuckle of the finger, and they were right almost at his knee, maybe an inch above his knee. They were really close. His arms were, they looked too long for the body, and his legs looked too short for his body.

They were really just way out of proportion. They were too short, but the muscle on his legs, I've never seen nothing like that. And the only thing that I know to compare it to is Arnold Schwarzenegger in that movie Conan, how big and muscular his legs were. This thing's legs were like that. He had a fur on them, but you could see the individual muscle through the fur, if that makes sense. Yeah, it does. You could certainly.

They were huge, just incredibly huge. His calves were incredibly huge. and his feet were just that they were tall it was almost as though he had it if he were to be standing on something they looked about I guess about two inches thicker than what our feet were if it would have been a human that same height

the feet were really thick from the sole or the foot to the top of the foot was just incredibly thick and his feet were all they were camouflage lodged. The toes didn't look to be. They looked like about the color of cigarette ash. But I couldn't tell if there was any fur on them. It didn't look like it. There may have been, but I had, he stood there a long time.

At the time this happened, it seemed to be forever. I'm sure it wasn't no more than maybe three or four minutes once I got the light on him. but he just he wasn't concerned that we were there and i was just soaking in his build everything was off his chest he was really wide across the shoulders but his chest if you were to take from his armpit each side measure his chest he was the same width at his chest as he was at his waist. There was no narrowing. He was, oh,

he looked fake. It didn't look like a real being. But it just, everything was straight. Like his, the biceps on his arms were, they were not as big as his shoulders. But they were definitely

incredibly thick. But it was the same diameter all the way down to his hands. His wrists were the same diameter as his bicep and just out his whole body was out of proportion i was trying to just i don't know if i was trying to understand when i was looking at um i had plenty of time to look him over and i was i was looking at every part of him i did not see um a navel or a belly button there was nothing like it was just that fur or hair that was on

morning. I'm trying to think of some of the details it stood out to me. Yeah, that's, I want to can I ask you real quick, Donald, I'll mean get off, but can I ask you real quick? How far away from you is it? I realize you're hitting it with the light. You're looking it. Everyone's now viewing it. But how far away from you and the car do you think the same was? From the front bumper, he was about eight feet.

And I was in a 77 Nova, a four-door. So he was, I mean, eight feet's really damn close, man. I mean, he's basically right there. He was very close. Yeah. Very, very close. And did his expressions change at all?

I mean, he's sitting there, you're looking at him, he's looking at you, or was it more or less just stone face? No, he wasn't looking. At that time, he wasn't looking at me. He had his head turned, and he was staring out toward the bay. And I had a really good profile of his head from the side. I was looking at his body from the front, but I had a side profile of his head, and that's where you could really see the real short chin. And it looked like his top lip was sticking out, like it was puffed up.

Because I could see the bottom lip, but it wasn't sticking out as far as the top lip was. And his nose was just, it was really flat up, it was really small on his face. and the back of his head, it didn't go out like ours does. His head looked too small. It didn't look like it belonged on that body. It was round like a ball except for the forehead. The forehead was kind of flattened. It went back.

He should have had a point on top of his head because his forehead from his eyebrows where they were really pronounced. They were sticking out that bone above the eye. And just beyond, just over that bone, his forehead went toward the back. It was angled. But it was just, it was out of shape. I don't know anything that has a head that looks like that. Did he turn and look at you?

Did he turn and look directly at the car? Yes. yesterday. He sure did. We sat there and I stared at him. It seemed like forever and just soaking in that what he looked like, I was so close to him. I could see that on his knees he had it was either a coating of mud or he didn't have no fur on him. There was no, there wasn't no hair at all that I could tell on his knees. It looked. looked very dusty. There was no shine.

And it was kind of a gray, orange coloring. And it was both knees. It wasn't just one. And I don't know if maybe he got down on his knees in the mud. I couldn't tell because it wasn't shiny at all, but there was no thick clumps or anything like it would be if it were mud. So I don't know what that was. But I was, he sat there or stood there.

I'm guessing in reality, probably two minutes. And I had the light right on him. I was so close to him. And I don't understand why he didn't run off. I was sitting on the hood of the car right across from him, and the car was turned off. We were talking. I hopped off the hood a couple of times. I went to the back window to tell Eddie, I thought it was a bot cat at the time.

And he was quite loud when he, He said he didn't want to see no dog on Bobcat, and he rolled the wind up, and he was laughing, and we weren't whispering at all. There just wasn't no desire to be quiet when we've seen it. There wasn't a reason for it. Can I ask you a quick question before you talk about what happens next? The ice shine that you saw, do you think it was this creature, or do you think there were two separate things going on? Do you think with the eye shine? No, no. It was definitely this one. And that's what confirmed it because I had everything going through my head.

It can't be real because I've never seen nothing like this. And to date, I've done these last three years, I've never been one to do the computers. I got my first smartphone five years ago, six years ago. And I had to learn how to use a computer, and I still don't know much about them at all. I'm a farmer. I'm a goat farmer. And all we have are our goats. We go to church, and that's about it. We don't do much of anything. I've got a very boring life.

Yeah, nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with earning an honest living. I wanted to ask you, when you were looking at it, would you say it was more human-like? Would you say it was more like a non-human primate? How would you describe it to someone? And you did a great job describing you. I'm just curious of your impression. I thought, second or two, that it was a person.

He had, I mean, there were two arms, two legs. They had everything that, or he had everything that I have in my bills. And he was definitely a male. His genitals, they were covered in this furry stuff too, but they were there. They were definitely there. and just he had everything and I just I couldn't I couldn't associate the way everything was so out of proportion on him I couldn't attach that to a human you would have to have some serious health problems to look like that and then the muscle that was on his legs and his arms there's none of it added up and you would think he'd be really

wide at the chest and a narrow waist with these abdominal muscles sticking out. But that wasn't the case. His legs and arms should have been on a bodybuilder, but his arms were, they were the same thickness from the bicep all the way to his hand, to his wrist. They were huge. They were not skinny by any means. Very thick, very solid looking. But there wasn't a narrowing at the elbow.

there wasn't a narrowing at the wrist. They were just really thick. They looked round like a pipe. Other than his arms looking so goofy, his hands were, they were huge, incredibly large. But they fit his arms. And I know that's not much to go home. No, it's a lot to go on.

I thought the same thing. I mean, I'm listening to you described this thing, and I took a lot of crap for when I came out with My encounter, because I said the same thing. They're built like a cartoon. Yes, they have two arms. Yes, they have two legs. Yes, they are standing up, right, like a man.

But think more of like a cartoon. You know, everything in a cartoon is over-exaggerated. And if you can think of, if you can picture that over-exaggeration, when you look at these things, that's exactly what it's like. You hit it right on the head. It looks fake when you see it. It did. And what, a question,

and it being fake when I got the headlight on it to where I could see him, because they had already seen him, but that tree was blocking my view. The pine that was in front of me was probably 12 to 14 inches thick. These are old mature pines on this side of the road. And I had the bumper touching it, but the headlight was shining on it, and I couldn't see him. I couldn't lean over enough to see him.

But the car was at an angle. I was trying to three-point turn it. to get to where I can get the headlights on him because that road is so narrow. And I didn't see him. They did, and that's when all the screaming started and the kicking and hitting. But when I backed up that last time,

and I backed up about two feet from the tree, and I turned the wheel as far as I could get it to the left, and I eased up, and that's when the light hit him. The headlight was hitting him square, I mean, dead in the center right below his chest, what would be our sternum bone, I believe, the one in the middle of our rib cage. The bulk of the headlight hit him just below that, a little high on his stomach. But his entire body, he was lit up.

There was no hot in him, and he was so lit up. And there wasn't any shadows on him, and he was solid light. There's nothing between my headlight and him, except for that little ditch right there. and it's that's all the paper mill down here they logged all that area so they would plant the pines back with that ditch they dug it to drain the water off that because that area is so much lower and so they dug it's just a little low it's not wide when we catch our bait menace I'll step off the road and just take a couple of steps down because it drops almost straight off right there and then it goes across the ditches just a couple of feet, and then it gradually goes up about a foot higher on that side. And I'll take a couple of steps down the bank and step over the ditch, and then I net my manners right there that we use for speckled trout fishing. Yeah, no, they do the same thing.

I know exactly what you're describing, Donald. They do the same thing out here. And that tells me, too, you're out in the middle of freaking nowhere, because they only do that when you're in the middle of freaking nowhere. It's so that they don't – it doesn't corrode the – the piss poor job they do at cutting roads into some of these areas, they'll do that ditch along the side so you have no corrosion on the road or most of the cuts back on the corrosion.

I can think of several places out here. So what do you guys do next? I mean, he's standing there. You got the light on him. What happens next? Well, he ended up, he did turn and face me. and when he turned his head, you wouldn't think that he would have been able to see me

because the headlights hitting him right there just below his chest. And, I mean, he is lit up. And I didn't think he'd be able to see me. But he looked, and I don't know for fact, but I felt as though he looked directly into my eyes and he could see into me. It just, it scared me so bad. I was already scared.

I was horrified. But when he looked, he looked at the windshield. I know he made eye contact with it. But what, what confirmed the sighting with me is when he turned his head to face me, because I only seen one eye the whole time that glow and green. And it was dark right there. We are, where we're parked at, the last row of the planted pines, I was facing north, and the last row was on my left side.

That's what separated that road from that ditch that's directly behind it. The roots of the pine trees, actually, a lot of them are washed out, and they're just hanging out into the air right there. I mean, the ditch is literally right beside the road. But the pines on the east side of that road are, huge. They're just full-grown, mature pine trees, and the moon was that direction. So we were in the shadow. It was completely dark. There wasn't any light coming through them trees. You could see the moonlight out over the bay. It was lit up out there, and when we were coming in,

into that spot, when I got to the T and that road where I had to turn left to make it to where we were parked, that whole road going off to the right was lit up from the moon. It was all under, I mean, it was lit up nice. But down that little road was in the trees and the moonlight was blocked out completely. It was really dark. But when he faced me, let's see, that would been his left side, the left side of his face, which I was looking at him, it was the side facing closest to the water, closest to the bay. He had a wound, a huge wound on his face. It didn't look fresh, but it was certainly recent.

I would guess within the week. But where his other eye should have been, it was just a big, it was mangled. It was a mangled mess. And it went from just about the bottom of his nose on his cheek and went all the way up through that eye and up that side of his forehead a little bit. And there was no eye. It was just, it looked like somebody took a steak and just went crazy with a knife on it,

just kind of shredded it and grounded up. It was bad looking. And there was what looked like dirt and stuff all in it, but it was red. But there was no shine to it. so it just there wasn't no blood running down his face or there was no blood on him but it was there was no mistake it was definitely a wound i don't know if somebody shot him or if a vehicle he'd him i have no idea i don't know how he got hurt or there may have been one out there bigger than he was and and he took the run in of the fight i don't know but it was it was one of the

you would see in a horror movie. It was really, it was almost a makeup look, like one of them artists that do the makeup work on people in movies. It would, it almost appeared like that, but it was looking at it that close. I knew without a doubt it was definitely a wound. There was no mistake in that. it was certainly and that's the reason I only seen the one eye and just something messed him up on that side of his face his eye when the light got on him it it wasn't green no more it was white on the but his pupil

the I think it's the pupil the colored part of your eyes that different people have different colors that the circle not the little black piece in the middle but the The colored part was really large. It was probably twice, if not three times, as large as what ours are. It took up most of his eye was the colored part. And it was just, it was huge. It was just incredibly huge. I think what was glowing was the white section.

because when he looked at me before we ever got in the car and put the headlight on him, it was that fluorescent green, and then the pupil, I'm trying to think of something to give you a size reference to it. Oh, geez, I don't know. Would you say it was smaller than like a grown man's fist? Yes. I would say about the fist on an average 10 or 12 year old kid. That's a pretty big eye. His eye was big, but it looked a little big on him, on his head.

If his head matched his body, the eye would probably have fit him perfect, but his head looked too small. And his eyes were, they were larger than normal. without a doubt they were definitely large. When he looked at me, that's when the real fear. I was already scared. I was petrified. But when he looked at me,

that's when my heart started pounding, and my breathing got crazy. I wasn't doing it intentionally. I was having a hard time to breathe, and I was like fluttering. Trying to breathe, he was so close. but he looked down like he was looking at the water. It was almost as though it dawned on him.

Hey, there's a car right here by me. It's like he forgot I was there. And he looked at me and we stared at each other for probably 20 or 30 seconds. It seemed like 10 minutes at the time, but it wasn't as long as the time that I had looking at him. And as we were staring, he looked down at the ditch and then he took a step. into that ditch towards us. And that's when I snapped out of it.

And then I could hear them screaming again, the volume of it set in. And I threw it in reverse, and we got out of there. And by the grace of God, I didn't wreck it, tear my car up. And I don't know how, because we had to do about a five-point turn

to get the headlight on it. And I don't even know if they even let off the gas. I was going reverse and drive, trying to get it to where we could, back out without clipping one of them trees. And we left there. We took the girls home. And I stayed the night over at Eddie's house that night.

But we didn't say one word to each other to ride home. We dropped them off. I mean, I don't even remember us telling them goodbye or anything. We dropped them off. Went back to Eddie's house. He lived with his mom and his stepdad. Well, we woke them up. deciding it was close to midnight.

We got out there about 10 o'clock, and it was fairly close to midnight when we left, and we got back to his parents' house, and Eddie went and he woke his mom and stepped that up to where we can tell him what we saw. Him and I did talk about it. When we turned on to his road, going to his house, it was that little, little, a quarter mile drive,

once he get on his road, and that's when we actually talked about it. We told Roger a stepdad, and he said, well, hold on just a minute, and he called a man somewhere in central Florida that he knew. And he handed me the phone, and he said, describe to this man what you've seen. And I started describing to him, and I got maybe halfway through my description, and this man cut me off and he finished describing the rest of it and he wasn't there. He definitely

was just the four of us and how far it's back in the woods. There's only one way in and it's that one logging road. It's a two trail road and to get back there to park your car we wouldn't have been able to go back

if somebody would have been there because they'd have the road blocked. And the only people we've ever seen out there is the occasional game ward to pull up whenever we were fishing to check our license, but that was, I don't think I've ever seen anybody else out there. So there weren't no vehicles. There was nothing.

There was nobody to tell this man to describe to him what we've seen. And it just, the whole situation, I was having a hard time except, and I still do. But this man, he finished describing it. And I said, yes, sir, that's exactly what it was. And he said, that's what we call a Yeti or a skunk ate. And I've never heard of either one at the time. And I told him, I said, no, this wasn't no ape. This was no monkey.

This was a man. Some type of deformed man, I don't know. If he would have had skin instead of that fur or that hair, then I would have swarmed he was just a human that was deformed from birth. But from that time forward, it wasn't but about three years ago. go when I learned to use the computer and I researched to try to find out to find a picture because there's so many pictures of what they call the Bigfoot and the Sasquatch and but none of it, none of it matches. The size does. The size lines up but the head on them

doesn't match. The fur doesn't match. The fur on this one is really short and it was camouflage pattern. And there was no smell. I see where people talk about a smell, which I did have a smell in my second encounter. Yeah, and we can get to that here in a moment. But that first encounter is fascinating, man. And he heard that a lot of behavior.

I mean, a lot of times you get aggression from Sasquatch. And I always find this behavior beyond fascinating because the moment you hit him with the light, I hear a lot of witnesses say they don't, they don't move. They just kind of stand there like a statue looking at you. Yeah, it didn't. It didn't.

It didn't say it him at all. I mean, it's like he didn't care that we had the lights on him or we're looking at him. He wasn't scared of the car at all. It's interesting, too, you mentioned the injury, you know, him having, you know, it makes you wonder, was he shot at? was it a fight that he got into and he lost?

That's a fascinating details. You know, because everyone thinks that these things are ghosts. I don't think that they're ghosts, but I think they absolutely can be killed, and I think that they can be hurt, no doubt in my mind. And then for you to see one that was actually physically hurt, or it looked like it had been physically hurt, yeah, that's... He was definitely hurt. I mean, there was no doubt.

It was an injury. the age of the injury, I couldn't tell you, but I don't think it was older than a week because you could still see a bright red in it. Yeah, and the other part, too... He bleeds red. Yeah, yeah. The other two, Donald, you know, when you were first talking about it, I was like, what in the world is he talking about?

One eye, he's seeing one eye shine. And then when you actually see the creature, it kind of makes sense what you were seeing a few moments before when you thought it was a cougar makes complete sense. That's what confirmed it. Yeah. Yeah, when I seen the injury, that's what confirmed that eye I was seeing. That's the reason I only seen the one. And that's what made it hard to understand.

Even when I recognized the shape of it to be what I thought was a human eye, that's what messed me up. Manally is there's only one. and there's, I don't believe in, in Cyclops. I don't think, I don't think they're real. I hope not. I don't know now, but. Yeah, I hear you, man.

I hear you. And when we come back, we'll be talking to Donald, and Donald will be sharing his second encounter. We'll be right back after this. And again, my bookie is now sponsoring Sasquatch Chronicles. If you like additional shows, you'll like My Bookie. The whole reason for the additional show today is because of MyBooky. Join now, and MyBooky will match your deposit dollar for dollar.

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What were you out doing, and if you would, just kind of walk us into it? The second one, that was a whole different ballgame. There's a little town. It's in the panhandle of Florida. I'm thinking it's around 55 to 60 miles north, northeast of Panama City, Florida. And it's really close to the Alabama-Georgia line. It's just about 40 miles south of there. and it's a farming community.

A lot of peanut farms, soybean. Every now and then they'll rotate cotton in. But we had a, and this was 2011, I had a group of guys. There was five of us on some outings. There'd be seven of us. But we called ourselves Grunner Hunters.

And we went to these farms and we set traps. and we got, there's permits that you can get here, but you have, it's a process, application process for nuisance animals, and it's called a gun and light at night permit where you can spotlight them. And what we do is these farms that are being devastated by wild hogs, we go in and we trap them, we hunt them, we get them out, we remove them. and one of the farms that we were working, if I remember right, I think it was 2,400 acres, there's that part of Florida, there's a lot of caverns they have in Mariana. It's called Mariana Caverns, it's a state park, and you can go underground into these caverns for a mile or better, and it's beautiful. but there's caverns all over that area.

And on this particular farm, they don't clear like that 2,400 acres. The entire acreage is not cleared. There's probably 1,800 acres that's cleared and planted. The rest of it, they have either natural springs or they have caves on them for the caverns. And so the state comes in and they own the caverns. the caves and the springs here. It may be on your land, but they own it. And so the farmers cannot clear that land.

They have to have the state water district and the game warden. They come in, and they'll actually set boundaries. You will clear up to this point. Well, there's this particular field. When you pull off of County Road 73, you pull into the first field. There's a total of five fields on this farm, and there's little two-trail roads

that will go through the thicket to connect you to the next field, and it's just, the road's just large enough, the tractor can go from field to fields, and they travel down these little damn roads. Well, we pulled off of 73 into the first field. It was peanuts. his entire farm with peanuts.

The hogs were devastating it. One of the fields he actually did not plan it because the devastation was so bad. But there's also bears in this area. But anyhow, I had one of my friends at the time, and what I had rode out on her earlier, I'm not going to use her real name because I have not spoke to her. I'd rather not use her real name. Well, I'll just call her Lisa for this.

I had her drive. I was by myself. I had to check the trap. We had a 16 foot by 16 foot hog trap, and our traps, we don't use the guillotine-style door. We use swing doors. And with a swing door, you can have a wild hog get into the trap, and it'll close behind him.

but another one can come in. They can keep coming in until they fill the trap up, but they can't get out. And it just kind of, it hinges from the top. So when they nudge it with their nose, it'll open up, and they can walk right in, and it'll drop closed again. While that particular trap, we removed about 120 pigs out of that one.

And I was going back to check that trap. And I told her, I said, look, why don't you drive? I had a Toyota Tursell. we took up there because my F-350 just used far too much fuel. And I told her, so I'm just going to walk through you, stay in the car. I'm going to go from this field, the first field. I can drive all the way to the two trail, a little dim road, the tractor road, that goes from that field to the back field.

And it goes through an area that's incredibly thick, it's swampy, parts, but it's so thick. I honestly do not think you could sling a rock fluid. If you were to throw a rock into that stuff, it would catch on the wild grates and all the briar vines. And it's incredibly thick. And the two years that we were working in that field, none of us had ever went in there.

We've tried to go in there, but it's so thick. It's just about impossible, and the snakes are horrible. the water moccasins. So I told her, we pulled the car in on the start of that trail, and I guess I got the bumper about five or six feet in. It's so rough. It's the only thing that travels it is the farmer's tractors. And so there's potholes in it, knee-deep potholes.

And if you got a big four-wheel drive truck, you could go through it. But that little old Toyota wasn't going to make it. So I just had her drive. And I said, you know, I'll get you to park right here at the beginning of this little road. You just wait in the car. It was hot. It was summer. And the skaters are bad.

So you just wait here. I'm going to get out. I'm going to go down this road. It's about a hundred yard road, that trail. And I'll go check the field on the other side where I have the trap. And if there ain't nothing in it, I'll come back getting the car. and you can be heading out, taking us home while I'm taking my gear off

and putting everything away. When we parked, she was in the driver's seat and had the windows up, and I got out, and I got a 150-lumin headlamp on, so I could see it's really, really dark, especially in there and in trees. And I had my 7-millimeter ultramac, and in my pouch with my knife and just my basic, my first-aid kid,

if something happens while I'm out there. As you walk down that road, that little two-trail road, it's basically two tire tracks, and in the center it's got grass growing between what would be the tires. And so I walk on the tire track itself. so I don't make any noise in case one of these wild hawks come out of that thick stuff. I could shoot one in the road. Well, at the far end of that road, I'm guessing about 25 feet before you hit the other field,

there's a small creek that crosses that road. It snakes through that thicket, that all them briars and mess. It snakes all through there. it crosses the road and it continues south, and you just step over it. It's got a, the spot between the tire tracks is fairly narrow, and you just step over it where the trackers runs through it, where its tracks are, it's a pothole on each side,

and you'll sink up to about your waist if you were to step in that mess. Well, as I got down, I was just a few yards from that little ditch. I heard steps, footsteps off to my left, and I stopped because there's wild hogs all in this place, it's loaded with game. And I stopped to listen, and I didn't hear anything, and I started taking a couple of steps, and I was real careful not to step on any leaves or any twigs or anything that would make any sound. And I got about two steps taken, and whatever was in there, it started walking. again.

And I got to the edge of that ditch, and before I stepped over it, I heard just a strange, it was almost like one of them radios the kids have that got that loud, boomy music they play. It was a rumbly bass sound. It sounded really just strange. I've never heard nothing like it. Do you mean like a growl? Is that what you're talking about?

Well, no, I think that's what it was. But at the time, it didn't, it didn't cross my mind at being a growl, because I've never heard nothing growl like that. It was just an odd, kind of a bubbly, bassy sound. Yeah. But I was in the process, I was just putting my foot down for that last step before I have to step over this ditch was when it done it. So I stopped again.

And I listened, I didn't hear anything. more walking, no steps, no nothing. So I went ahead and stepped over the ditch and I went out in the field and my trap was empty. And I was coming back and I got, I'm still set up the same. I got my 7mm arms and my head lamp on and I keep it on the low setting, just enough I can see without burning my batteries up because we're out there all the time. As I come into that little road and I stepped over that, that ditch, I heard that rumbling noise again, and that time I recognized it as a growl.

And I've never heard a growl that sounded that way. It was very deep sounding, but it sounded like what I assumed was a bear. I've never seen a bear in the woods. I've been out there since I was a very young boy with my daddy. And I've never encountered a bear, thank God. I'm scared of them. The stories you hear, and you can't climb to get away from one, and you can't go in the water to get away from them, because they can do everything we can do.

And they're just much stronger and a lot meaner than most of us. And that's what I thought it was. And I was froze. And I was sitting there listening to, see is it moving toward me? Because the growl was too deep to be a coyote. It was too deep to be anything that I've ever heard. And I thought this has got to be a bear.

I've never heard of the sound the bear makes. So I didn't know. And I said, it's got to be a bear. And I was scared. I was very, very scared. And so I got the, I'm holding my rifle. It's not on a shoulder sling. And I just, I gripped it with my finger on the trigger guard where all I got to do is shift my finger over and I could fire it.

And I took my safety off and I had my left hand was on the fore end of it. My right hand was on the trigger. And I started to take very small, precise steps. I didn't want to make any noise and draw attention to what I thought was there. and a smell, a little breeze hit me, and a smell hit me. And it was, oh, geez, I don't even know how to explain it. It was like a mix. It smelled a little bit like urine.

Like when you're hunting and you find where the bucks are scraping, that urinary smell. It had a little bit of that to it. and it smelled like stinky feet, like locker room when you're in high school, that stinky feet smell, the wet dog, earth, and roadkill, like an animal that's been sitting on the highway for a month, and he's real swollen and got the bugs and maggots on him, that stench. and it was so strong it literally burned my nostrils

deep in my sinus cavity it burned to smell it and again I thought a bear all my family were all hunters several of us do bear hunt and they would always tell me about the bear they stink

and everything that I remembered hearing from these guys my family is what I was experiencing. And I had it in my mind that there was a bear right there, and he was very close. I would say around 20 to

25 feet from me. Standing on that two trail, the sides of that, I mean, it's just a wires and wild grapes, and the oak trees that are in there

and there's hickory, willow, it's just, it's so thick. and that wall of vegetation starts about two feet off the outside of these trails. The tractor, when he comes through there, the sides of the tractor's tires actually rub against the brush. I mean, it's just a narrow road. And this thing was up 20 or 25 feet from me. It was close.

And after that smell hit me, I started moving again. But just really small baby steps. I didn't want, if he could see me, I didn't want any jerky movement to scare him and to make him attack me. I was scared. I was honestly scared to death. I thought a bear was fixing to come out of the woods on me. And even having a rifle, people who don't hunt, they can't understand. When you have a rifle with a scope on it, it's difficult making a point blank shot.

Yeah, it is. It is. I agree. Most of the animals that you shoot, even a small wild hog, I've shot 100-pound hogs before with a three-inch magnum 12-gauge slug at five or six feet away. And they'll run. They'll run 100 yards with no lungs. They're very durable animals. And from what I hear, a bear is even beyond that.

They're extremely durable. and if you hurt him, he's definitely going to attack you. And I've had three major spine injuries. I'm supposed to have a hip replacement, and I'm scared to be cut on again, and so I put it off. But physically, I'm not able to run. If my life depended on it, I'd be a dead mat. I cannot run.

I can't walk fast. I can't jog. And so what did you do? What happened next? Well, I started just taking the baby steps, and this thing growled again. He took a big step. It was loud, a lot of twigs, under where he stepped, that he snapped. And he growled, but I could hear his breathing.

It was faint, but I could definitely hear it. and I was trying to guess in my mind, you know, is this a 200-pound bear or is this a 500-pound giant? I don't know. I didn't know what it was, but I was scared. And I looked up and I could see the bumper on my Toyota was chrome, and it had the little chrome rings around the headlights, and I could see the reflection of the moon on them. And I thought, you know, that's, geez, I'm 65 or 70 yards from the car. car. There's no way I could run that at all. My best bet would be to tiptoe out of here and not have

this thing provoked. And I was just taking baby steps. Well, it started walking toward me. It was, I was, I'm guessing, around 15 to 20 feet in, in that ticket. But it was sort of behind me, just a few feet behind me, not much. But it was, but it was, um, I'm guessing. It was, um, I'm guessing. It was, he was often off the road a little ways. As I started moving slowly toward the car, this thing started walking.

He was taking big steps. You could tell by the sound, and you could almost feel his steps through the ground. I know that probably sounds goofy, but even to this day, looking back on it, I swear, I think I felt a vibration. But he was coming directly toward me.

He was coming at an angle toward the road and my direction. And I just, I kept walking these little short steps. I was coordinating them where I wouldn't step on a leaf or anything. I stayed on that tire trail, that tire track. And he stepped out of that brush directly behind me. And I froze. I heard him when he, when he busted through. right there going into that stuff is really thick.

And it sounded like he just grabbed it and ripped the limbs open. He didn't break nothing large. There was no large snaps of limbs, but it was just real heavy brush. Like when a, if you ever hear an animal moves through the leaves, you can hear it. You know without a doubt what that sound is.

And it was just, it was loud. It was really, really loud, too loud from what I thought would be a 200-pound bear. And that had me thinking, now I've got a 10-foot grizzly here, and there's no grizzlies in Florida, but that's mentally I was thinking this. Well, I stopped because he stepped out on the trail behind me, and I stopped moving. And I stood there, my back was to him, and the smell was almost overwhelming. would gag you. It was just

putrid. It just had a stench to it. Then this, it may, I don't even know, it may have been his breath. I don't know. He was close. I don't know how close. I did not turn and look at him.

But I could hear his breathing. And it sounded like he was congested. It was a gurgly, but the breaths were so deep. When he would breathe in, it wasn't like us breathing. I don't know of any man that could suck in as much air as this thing was just breathing in and out.

It was very slow but long, drawn-out breaths. And he was growling, but it wasn't as loud as it was when he was in the woods. It was very low, but it was deep. It sounded like it came from the inside of a, uh, a, gallon drum. It just had an echo to it, a deep bassy echo. I was just, it's kind of scary. I'm looking back on it.

I knew the car, the distance I had to go. I was close to 60 yards from the car, and I kept looking at the headlights, and I was hoping that Lisa would turn the lights on. And in my mind, I was thinking, please, God, get her to turn the lights on, please, please, I was. scared. And this thing

is growling at me. It's got these incredibly deep, drawn out breaths, and the smell was almost to the point of making me throw up literally. I've never smelled nothing that was like that. It stunk. It smelled like it was 150 degrees, like it was really

hot, and just a wet smell. It was awful. But The, um, a thumping started. He's growling at me. I can hear him breathing. And now there's a thumping noise. And I could feel, uh, because I was, I was standing still.

I wasn't moving. And I could feel every time that thump would happen, I could feel it through my feet. And I wasn't imagining it. I certainly was filling the ground shake. And I thought, my God, he's coming. coming toward me. And I'm still thinking bear because the growling, the smell, it's got to be a bear. And I didn't know what to do.

I didn't want to turn around and shoot him and then have him attack me at point-blank range. I knew that's just about a guarantee of that distance. And I ended up, my headlamp has got the high, low, and medium, modes and then it has a red light and a green light on it and it depends on how many times you click the little button to get it to go into each mode and so I aimed it at the car on my left hand I started flicking through the buttons I was aiming it toward Lisa and I guess I clicked it about 20 and 30 times and that may sound like a lot but that was probably in five seconds. It was very short period. I was just rapidly going through them. And thank God she's

seen me where she turned the headlights on. And as soon as they came on, she started screaming, run, run, run. And she saw several explicitous telling me to get the, you know what, out of there. And she was just going nuts screaming. And I could hear it with the wind is up. It sounded like She was right there. When when she started flashing the high beams and low beams, she was flashing them on and off. The thing behind me took off. It crossed the trail I was on, and it was definitely running over trees. It was breaking what sounded like four or five inch diameter limbs.

It was destroying whatever it was running into. Well, I sped up and as fast as I could walk and I got back to the car. And I got the door open. And I said, did you see that bear? And she just yelled at me. She said, that wasn't no effing bear. And I said, well, what was it? She said, that was the biggest man I've ever seen.

And that threw me off. That wasn't a man, not smelling like that and growling because people don't growl. And I asked her, so what do you mean it was a man? we're so far out here where we're at. Nobody has permission to be on this farm but me. What do you mean a man? And she said, this wasn't a regular man. She said, this was the biggest man I've ever seen in my life.

And he had very long, very black hair, his entire body. She said, and he was standing behind you when the headlights come on. I didn't tell her about the thumping, the thumping noise. And she said, When I got headlights turned on, she said he looked like he was right directly behind you, maybe three feet. She said he had his fist, were balled up like he was wanting to punch somebody. But she said his elbows were bent. He had his arms out.

His elbows at his side and his fists were kind of pointing toward me. And she said that he would throw his fist to the ground. And each time he throw him to the ground, that left foot, he would stomp his foot. Like he would throw his fist to the ground and stomp his foot. And she said, he'd done that several times. And well, that's when it set in. Because I didn't tell her, I didn't have time to tell her about that thumping noise. I could feel it.

And what she described was exactly what I was feeling. I could hear the thump and it was deep. but I could fill it through the ground. She said she could see his teeth. And I asked her, I said, well, you know what? I don't understand it. How is there going to be a man out here covered in hair unless he's wearing a gilly suit? And she said he wasn't wearing no suit.

This thing had fur. And she said, with him behind you, the top of your head was lower, was below his chest. And I told him, I said, you know, you realize I'm 5 foot 10. And the top of my head at the bottom of his chest, and she said, no, the top of your head was below the bottom of his chest. I could see his entire chest. And she said, when I got to flashing the lights, he just opened his mouth. I could see his tongue. I can see his teeth.

And he took off through the woods. And I never looked at it. I never saw him, but I've got three hog traps up there. Five or six tree stands, some of them are rather expensive, and I left everything up there. I have not been back. I left everything. He can have them. Yeah, that's terrifying.

That one. That's really terrifying. It's scared me. I mean, to this day, I've had several nightmares. I still have nightmares occasionally. But I hunt. We don't purchase meat from the store. I've had a total of four spinal injuries.

My last one disabled me. And so we live off my disability and what little bit we make from farming goats. And hunting is something that we depend on for the meat. And down here, I haven't hunted throughout the country. only the south. And down here, the best time, the almost guaranteed time to see an animal, as far as a game animal, a deer or a wildhog, an adult, a mature wildhog, would be that last 45 minutes of daylight.

Well, it's made hunting very difficult for me, because when the sun starts going down, even to date to this present day. When that sun starts going down, I think about that encounter. If she wouldn't have been in the car that night, that thing probably would have attacked me. And if he was as big as she claims he was, and I don't, I've never known her to lie about anything,

it's hard to fathom an animal that size. But at a later date, She did say that he looked like them things they call Bigfoot. And that was, I think that was 2013. I'd seen her. We parted ways. Yeah, I think you're lucky to be alive, Donald. I really think it was, you know, obviously it was trying to warn you.

I think before it was going to attack you, but I think it was given off too many warnings. Yeah, I think you were right at the moment of being smashed. I want to ask you about your first encounter. Let's back up to your first encounter. What do you make of that behavior? Do you think it was just kind of strolling through the area? You hit the lights. It didn't really feel like it was endangered.

You guys were terrified. I don't think the first encounter. I don't think he was aggressive towards us at all. There was no sign of it. When he looked at me, he didn't make any facial expression, the side of his face that. that was not injured. There was no facial expression.

There was no change other than he opened his mouth just a little bit. I couldn't see his teeth or nothing. It just, when he opened it, I could see the dark slit. I mean, he just, he barely opened it. But it may have been just to get a breath of air, maybe. I don't know. He wasn't aggressive. He wasn't, he didn't run toward us.

He just, he looked down toward that ditch, and he just stretched that foot across coming toward us, our direction, and he was so close. With me sitting in the car, my actual, my body, I was probably around 12 feet from him because the front of my bumper was against that pine tree. And that pine tree that's there, when we had a lot of rain several times when we'd go out there fishing. Where it washed away some of that bank, I had a leash in my truck that I used when I took my dog.

Well, I would wrap the leash around the tree, and it's a six-foot leash. And so when you wrap it around the tree, it leaves about four foot. I'm thinking it's a little more than half the leash. And I'll hold on to that to step down by the water because when it rains, it's really slippery. and you'll fall off in that mess and it stinks. It's got a real nasty soil smell to it. And that leash, I can hold it and have both feet in the water right there. He was no more than eight feet from the bumper of that car,

and it was a 1977 Chevrolet Nova. And so I'm thinking it was around 12 feet the distance from my body to his. Yeah, so he obviously didn't want to fight. He wasn't looking for a fight. I would imagine with everyone's screaming, it's kind of like what's a point in doing a display? Everyone's already scared. If someone were to ask you, what do you think Sasquatch is?

What would you say to them? I've kind of got mixed feelings on them. Due to my heritage, I think that they are the ancient peoples. and due to my Christian life I don't know how to how to word it

we are not religious we don't believe in religion because of what it's what you see around you how religion is these days we don't believe in that but we do believe in serving the Lord and a lot of the stuff

in the Bible comes from true accounts a lot of it's been altered but even the ancient text a lot of them talk about the giants. And I do believe they are a form of the giants.

And I also have a feeling that they are the ancient peoples, which is a, they're not human. They're just a race of beings that are built like us, two legs, two arms, just like a dog and a cat. They both have the same body parts, but they're two different beings. And I think that's where they sit. they are here and some of my some of the evidence that I've seen I've only been researching these past three years I've just learned to actually use a computer

about three years ago and it's I'm kind of locked on it now I love the research but with these people's encounters a lot of them that that I've read and actually after I talked you I found some of your videos on YouTube And you're an amazing man. You do amazing work. I'm so grateful that I got to talk with you today. So grateful. Thank you.

The research, these reports, some of the people I feel that they're not being honest. They're making up encounters. Some of them, I just get the feeling on them. Not of yours. I've only listened to a few of yours. I just found it. I will be listening to a lot of them now. but these other videos other people have put up

some of them are it's almost as though they're reading the script from a movie but the majority of them I do believe the people are being very sincere and with them speaking of these things vanishing they just disappear

I'm sure it's possible I do believe in supernatural events. I have witnessed supernatural events, and I know it can happen. But if these animals, if they are truly supernatural, then I don't understand why they live so primitively. It just, a lot of it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But I do believe they are a race of beings. They are their own separate race and I do believe that they are in they're in the same category as humans just as the dogs and cats are in the same you know four leg of category so you're saying you don't think they're natural you don't think they're natural is what you're saying I think that they are but I also

I have a a side of me that believes that uh further back back during the beginning when the angels had came and they fornicated with the human women and created the giants, those beings were huge and they were supernatural. I think these guys, aside of me, leans towards that. Their origination occurred sometime back after God created mankind and got humans going, got us evolving somewhat. But I think that these were put here for a reason, for a purpose. I don't know what it is. There's too many accounts of the Native people actually working with these creatures.

And they weren't always aggressive. They kind of worked hand in hand with the Native Americans. And I think it kind of messed things up where the Europeans got here and started slaughtering the Indians. everything that they found. I think it turned them. But part of me wants to believe that they are of supernatural origin. And then there's a part of me that thinks that they're just as normal as we are. They're just a different race. I have no doubts whatsoever of their existence. I've had two encounters.

And there's no way that they're... They can't exist. They're not a little gray thing that comes in down here in a spaceship. I just, I don't believe none of that. Yeah, and I understand where you're coming from. I mean, and I kind of go through the same thing. I mean, I've thought about what you're talking about, an offshoot of the nephalum or the natural. And a lot of times, I tend to agree with you. I mean, I just had William Sheehan on, Bill Sheehan.

and he wrote the book, Terror in the Woods, Bigfoot Terror in the Woods. And he had one account of these things being hit by a semi. And it killed it. And there was blood all over the concrete. And it killed this thing. And you hear a lot of accounts like that. So I don't, you know, if they had superpowers, why would you run in front of a semi? Or, you know, before you get shot, why not disappear off somewhere else?

But I'm not so sure that they don't have a supernatural. natural aspect to them. I won't completely brush that off. But I think there's a lot of weird situations where you're like, yeah, this is nothing more than a flush and blood, wild animal. It seems to get shot from time to time. It seems to get hit by cars from time to time. But there is a weird side of it to where you're like, is this a nephalum? Is this an offshoot of the nephalum? It feels that way. And especially some encounters you listen to, you walk away thinking, I don't know, man. That doesn't sound like an animal.

That sounds like something very different. But it's so hard to say. Yeah, it is. I'm hoping one day they'll bring acknowledgement to their existence. Because I do believe that a lot of the people that's gone missing, especially these state park incidences of north, there's a lot of it. And I do believe that a lot of them are due to these. these creatures. And I don't think

that they're doing it so they have food. My personal belief is that it started way back when this country was first taken over, so to speak, by the Europeans.

Because the native people, they've, the cave paintings, and a lot of the elders today, they pass down with their elders, and it's just been a constant line of passing down knowledge to the

tribes, and they speak of times when them things in the Indians, they were hand in hand pretty much. You know, the Indians didn't bother them. They didn't bother the Indians, but they also, they coincided

together out in nature, and they didn't bother one another. But I think when man came in from Europe and Spain, And when everybody came here and taken the land from the Indians, I think they're also taking the land from them things. And they retaliated. And I think it put a bad taste in their mouth.

The ones that are like these disappearances in the state parks, I don't think they're doing it to eat people. I think that these people got too close and they were young involved or that they got into a situation that shouldn't have been in the area. And they were probably worn off. I've seen so many encounters online where they'll throw rocks at people and sticks and boulders to yell at them. And why would you go after something? It's like a face in a pit bull. When he shows his teeth and growls, you don't reach out in petting. Or he's going to put it on you.

As far as deciding if they're animal or not that, I don't know. their intelligence is just amazing. It blows me away some of these encounters that I've read and watched on the Internet. Yeah, they are. You guys are incredibly smart. Yeah. No, I couldn't agree with you more. There's definitely a long history of them.

And I think the two encounters you have definitely stand out. It's very fascinating. It's very fascinating to me. And I can't thank you enough, Donald, for coming on the show. and sharing it. Oh, God bless you, Wes. Thank you for talking with me. I sure appreciate it.

And I'm going to see if I can't figure out how to get up on your website to watch it. But thank you, sir. You have a wonderful week, and God bless you. And hopefully I won't be calling you no more, I hope. I hear you. Well, hang tight until after the music will chat. That's it for tonight, everyone. If you've had an encounter, shoot me an email.

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