Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:477 A Real Life Monster

Episode Date: September 30, 2018

A listener writes " Hello Wes my name is Jay and I'm writing you from Dallas TX. I have been wanting to write for about a month now and I just worked up the courage. The past year or two I have only began to look into this fenominon from the trauma caused from my encounter 20 years ago. So I'll get right to it and the facts of what happened to us. November 1998 two days after thanksgiving we went to our hunting spot on type 2 public hunting ground just south of nacadoches east texas in a very remote location my dad loved to hunt. We would all go as a family and I have a little brother, but this particular encounter it was just my father and I. I need to also say this land always freaked me out and gave me bad vibes. We would bring our dune buggy with us to get to our location from camp. And in 1998 I was 15 years old. I didn't really want to go because I had a girlfriend and wanted to stay in town with her, but it was important to my farther and I didn't like him going out there by himself. Everything I'm about to tell you is non exaggerated and all facts. I remember them very clearly still to this day. We arrived to the road that lead Into the camp at 1am after a 5 hour drive from the city. The road leading down to our camp was rough and took another 30 minutes to get to. As we went down into a valley my dad told me where do you think this car is coming from? I was laying in the seat but awake. I sat up and looked to see what looked like bright headlights coming from inside the forest ( we are on the only road) the lights are very bright and moving. We sat there parked looking and this in silence. My dad tells me "oh don't worry it's someone in a jeep off roading". And trying to make me not worry. But it gave me a bad feeling and I didn't like it. We made it to our camp, the same place we camped every single year. We just unpacked few things then went to sleep. Our hunting trip was 3 days. My encounter took place on the very last day there. He let me use a 7mm hunting rifle but I never shot at anything. I had more fun getting muddy in the dune buggy about 10+ miles away wile my dad hunted. But on the last day he didn't want me to drop him off and go play in buggy, he wanted me to hunt and he took the buggy. It was the second hunt of that day after lunch and before dark. The encounter happened and 6pm. It started to get dusk and sun was getting low. I knew my dad would soon be coming to pick me up and I had been in my tree climber for about 2 maybe 3 hours. Still and quite. I really just liked to see the wildlife, like I said I never shot at anything but I never told my dad that. But I often saw deer and would watch them, coyotes, birds and sometimes raccoons. I did like being out there, but many times my hair would stand up and have a bad feeling. I had been coming to this exact spot I was in for a few years, it was like my own place. As I climb down and get everything together I'm not concerned about making noise. I'm about 200 yards from the road looking into a clearing that's top of the hill. As I start walking the direction of the road all of a sudden I hear what sounded like a tree knock. But it was close. And it froze me in my tracks and I couldn't move, I frantically scanned the area looking for the source. Waited 5 minutes then started walking again, with a faster pace. When I arrived to the road I heard a scream! A loud scream! And it was deep pitched and went on to turn to high pitch scream. No animal, no man, a monster. A legitimate monster. And I could tell the directional sound of it was pointed at me and the volume of it I instantly knew whatever made it was massive! My knees actually buckled and now I'm sitting in the ditch next to the road and shaking. Then it screamed again! And again! It was moving it's location and I could tell or had a feeling it was screaming at ME! pure fear cane over me. I couldn't decide if I wanted to run or wed-sat to do. But reality I was froze in fear and I couldn't move. Plus my father was 10 miles away. I knew I had a gun that was loaded but that did not help the terror I was going threw. Then it got quite and it started to get dark. And it was really quite. I heardthe sound of two legs crunching branched behind me and I turned and didn't see anything, but wasn't the direction of the screams, so Instantly thought oh shit it's more than one monster. I turned back to look across the road from the direction of the screams… Then I saw it! It was crouched down sticking it's head through the bushes. I could only see it face, but I saw it. I was 20 yards away. It had battleship grey skin, wrinkles and dirty. Dark black big eyes. Black lips but thin lips. It had reddish orange brown hair. Like greasy longer hair. But I was locked onto it's eyes. I saw it blink. But I can't say this looked human. No way. This was a monster. A real life monster and it looked terrifying. It's head was round and as big as a basket ball. I had no clue what I was looking at, Bigfoot never crossed my mind. I could only think monster. About a minute went by then it made a huffing noise as he pulled his head back. Then I couldn't see it. And it was dark by this point. I realized I was not holding my riffle. I was sitting on my butt and had my arms wrapped around my knees. This was so intense that I didn't think to pull the riffle. Now I'm older I feel I would have shot it in the face. But there was more than one. I honestly thought I was going to die, and I was crying my eyes out. Then I saw the headlights of my dad coming in the dune buggy. Soon as I saw the light before he came over the hill this monster took off through the woods screaming at crashing trees. The ground was shaking. But I didn't see how big it was. I only saw him stick his face through the Bush. When my dad pulled up I literally jumped in. Then I blacked out. I woke up few minutes later and my dad was yelling at me " son what the hell's wrong with you!!" I started yelling back JUST DRIVE! Drive, drive!! I had throw up on my pants leg and I felt so sick for a wile after. When we got back to camp I locked myself in the truck and layed down. I refused to get out. I didn't want to tell my dad, hes southern Baptist and Vietnam veteran and he just wouldn't believe. But he did know how terrified I was. Thankfully he packed up camp and agreed to drive home that night since it was day 3. I slept the whole way home and felt sick. I did have a near death experience that day and I would never want anyone to have that feeling. I was afraid to tell him for many years, and I confided in my bag friends mom few years later and she didn't take me serious. Before my dad died a couple years ago he asked me what had scared me so bad that day. I just said "Bigfoot dad, I thought he was going to eat me" and we both laughed. He kept going back to that same spot for 2 more years until he bought his deer lease. I have never ever been back in the woods or been camping in the deep woods after that day. And I don't think I ever could. But I have held this story in out of fear of ridicule, and now I'm married with two young boys. I have just now got to the point 20 years later where I can look Into this subject. And I prefer your podcast to hear other people encounters. Thank you Wes for listening and your time. Have a good evening."     Check out MYBookie here: Join now and MYBookie will match your deposit dollar for dollar. 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Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was a horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquod. Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. Really appreciate you guys being here on a Sunday night. Got a great lineup. Going to be talking to Jay. And Jay had an encounter in East Texas.

It's probably one of the more fascinating encounters I've ever heard. You'll definitely definitely want to stay tuned for that. Then I'll be talking to Francis. And Francis actually had two encounters that happened to her out there in California in that general area. So she'll be sharing that tonight. Then I'll also be welcoming Tony Merkel from the Confessionals. He'll be given us his My Bookie picks this week. So it should be a lot of fun. And I want to thank My Bookie for supporting the show, supporting what I do. I hope people enjoyed all the extra shows last week. You can definitely thank my bookie for that. And I'll include a link for my bookie underneath this episode.

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I want to welcome Jay to the show. Jay, thanks for coming. on. Hey, how's you going with? It's going good, man. Thanks so much for being here. And now you had a pretty scary encounter, and it happened out there in East Texas. Is that correct? Yeah, it happened out by Nacadoches, and it's South Nacadochus down by Palestine. Okay. Well, if you would, would you... It's a remote area.

Yeah. If you would, would you kind of start from the beginning? Tell us what you're out doing, and just walk us into what happened. Okay, well, this happened in 1998. It was... It was right after Thanksgiving. Me and my father, well, we used to go to public hunting land. It was type two grounds in Texas. And even though it is a public hunting land, they used to use it for logging. And it's a really remote area.

It was 1998. I was 15 years old. And my mom and my brother used to go with this. But this weekend, I don't remember exactly why they didn't go. But this weekend specifically, it was just me and my father that went. and we had been out there for a couple years before this, so I knew the area decently well. So we left on a Thursday to go hunt,

and we were going to hunt Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. We left kind of in the afternoon, so we got there pretty late. We live in the city, so it was about four or five hour drive for us. We get there Thursday evening, probably about 1 o'clock in the morning, and we used to pull a Volt's Lagerie. and dune buggy out to the spot. And we'd use a dune buggy basically like how people use four-wheelers, and we'd take the dumbuggy from our camp and drive all the way back off in the areas that we'd hunt to carry

our stands and supplies and stuff like that. We'd been hunting here whenever the incident happened. We'd already been hunting at this location for the two years before that, so this is our third year. And shortly after this happened, my dad, I had ended up renting a hunting lease, so we only went to that property, or he only went to that property, like one or two more years after that. But so we get there on Thursday, and we pull in kind of late. Everything is going fine, like on Friday, and he would go hunting in the morning time.

He would get up early, and like I said, I was 15, so I didn't get up like at 5.30, 6 o'clock in the morning. So he would go out by himself in the morning time, and he would come up. back in the camp and he would have lunch and we would go out together at lunchtime and we would have an afternoon hunt and then he would come back and then we'd go back out one more time before the sun would set. So everything was fine on Friday and then Saturday, our last day that we were going to be there, we went out for the afternoon hunt, everything was good and the spot that I used to hunt at. It was kind of like my spot because my dad would hunt in a spot that he liked and he hunted about five miles away from where I hunted at.

So the spot that I hunted at, I knew the area really well. I would go back there and I would scout it and I'd walk around. And, you know, I kind of just felt like it was my spot. And I really liked it. It was real, real peaceful, real nice. I never really wanted to shoot an animal while I was out there, but I would use my tree climber and climb up and I would, you know, observe deer and not a whole lot of deer.

I didn't see. I only saw probably two or three deer the whole time I was there a couple of years, but I would see a lot of like coyotes and possums and it was just real nice to be out there. Yeah, and I would imagine too, bonding time with your dad and everything else. Yeah, I mean, it's nice. It's nice, man. He loved to hunt. He was a real, real outdoorsman.

He was also in Vietnam, so he had a lot of, like, no, tracking skills from being in Vietnam. He was in the Battle of Danang on the river. So he had been through some pretty. hairy stuff in his lifetime. So hunting, he was like in this natural element hunting, and I enjoyed it being out there. I used to take the doumuggy and go off-roading out there. That was why I like to go, to be honest. I would take the do muggy and I'd go out playing in the mud, and I would just drive this

huge loop that was probably 20, maybe 30 miles, just massive loop around the woods and come back and pick him up. On Saturday, whenever the incident happened, we went out for our evening hunt. hunt and he told me that he didn't want me to take the dumbuggy because he I got the dung buggy real muddy and I could tell he was kind of upset that I'd been out playing so he wanted me to actually hunt so he dropped me off of my location and he took the dumuggy so I get back there and I climb up in the tree I had a tree climber that would hook to my backpack and I climbed the tree and I'm up there for a while

as it starts to get dark in Texas like the sun will set behind the trees but it'll still be light visible for about 15, 20 minutes before. It's actually dark, dark. So I knew kind of how much time that I had to get down off the tree and get back to the road. And my dad was a very, very punctual person. Like if he said, I knew that he would be there right when the sun was in front, I knew that he would be there right at that time, you know? So I get down off this tree. The sun's starting to go down, and I know how much time I have. I get all my stuff packed to walk back to the road. I'm probably about 200 yards off the road. And this area was so remote

that there would still be the tracks from our buggy from the year before. So people didn't go back to this spot specifically where we would hunt at. And like I said, this was my area and I kind of knew this big area pretty well because it was a spot that I like to go to. And as I'm walking back to the main road,

I hear a really loud knock. But it wasn't a knock. It was like a, a thud, like a huge, heavy, strong thud. And it was really close to me. It was, I would guess, it was probably, I don't know, within the 100 yards. And these woods are real thick, but you have visibility. You can see through the woods pretty well, but the woods are real thick.

And I'm instantly scanning the area, looking for what the source was that made the noise. And it kind of froze me in my tracks because the sound of it was really heavy. and I could tell that it was something strong that had did it. And I knew that the animals in the area, there's no bears in this area. There's nothing. There's no real big game like mountain lions or bears. So it really shocked me and scared me.

I sat there for a few minutes, probably about two to three minutes, kind of froze looking around, and I decided to proceed back to the road. And I'm looking over my shoulder and all around me. As soon as I get to the road, like instantly, as soon as I step out, out of the screened. And it screamed so loud and so strong.

And the volume of the screen was so deep that you could tell this thing was humongous. Even without actually seeing it, you could tell that whatever had screened this was massive because the sheer volume going through the woods was just unbelievable. It's hard to even describe unless you've heard it or you had an encounter. Yeah. And it was a real deep. scream and it would

be deep for a while and the tone would change to a like a blood-curdling scream, high-pitched scream at the end of it. Real long just deep. Like I said, hard to describe it you know, you know that whatever is making this noise

and you're just terrified. Instantly I'm just froze in fear and the sound of this thing screaming at me, it's screamed for the next few minutes. Just back to the back with screaming. I was so terrified with fear that I was, next thing I know, I'm sitting on the road. And I had a, I used to hunt with the German Mouser of 7mm deer rifle. And I don't, and I had dropped

the deer rifle on the ground. And I'm sitting on my butt with my arms wrapped around my legs in front of my legs, just terrified. And I know whatever this thing is, I can tell by the sound of this thing screaming at me through the woods, I can tell it's directed at me. Does it make any sense? it's like it's not screaming away. I can tell if the scream is coming towards me. You know what I mean? West, like when someone screams, like in the woods, you hear a noise, you can kind of tell directionally

how the screams coming through the woods. Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up. I was going to ask you that. I was going to ask you if you felt like it was screaming in your general direction. It's always different when you hear a scream and you're like, okay, that could have been a bobcat. That could have been this.

It could have been that. But when something's screaming at you, it's a whole different ballgame. Yeah, you can, You can tell a directional sound to the woods. I mean, I've been in the woods enough to know, and I've heard noises come from the camp, and I've heard my dad scream at me from the camp.

You know what I mean? Like, you can tell a directional scream with something that's screaming at you. Like, at this point now, you realize that this thing knows I'm here, and it's screaming at me. You know, that's terrifying. And the volume of the scream was so loud

that it was just shaking everything. It was unbelievable. how loud it was. And as it screamed, it was moving. I could tell the direction of the sound was moving. It wasn't staying at the same spot. It would scream, and it would move. Then it would scream again, then it would move.

It would scream again, then it would move. This thing was moving. I'm facing the north side of the road. I'm sitting on the south side of the road. I'm facing the north side of the road listening to this same scream. And I'm in pure terror. I'm sitting on my butt. I'm in pure terror.

And this thing's screaming, it stops screaming. and I hear footsteps behind me coming from the south side of the road from where I just came from in the woods. I hear a bipedal crunching, like step, like you can tell it's a person that's not a four-legged animal. This thing is it's heavy and it's crunching through the woods and it's walking. Yeah. It's flanking me. It's flanking me from behind. So I'm turned around and I'm trying to see, like, I'm pretty frantic.

I'm trying to see like where if I can see the creature. I know it's a creature at this point. I know that there's something going on, and this isn't like an animal. I know that there's something else going on. I instantly knew. But in 1998, we really didn't have the Internet, and I wasn't real. I really wasn't too aware of Bigfoot. I knew what Bigfoot was, but I wasn't, it wasn't crossing my mind.

When this was going on, it was not crossing my mind that it's a Bigfoot. I'm thinking Monster, you know? Yeah, no, I understand. Or I'm thinking of witch or something along the lines. Some sort of demon out there. I hear you, man. And I don't mean to cut you off your story. I had something very similar happened to me in Texas.

Actually, probably not far from where you're at. Where it was screaming. And I know it was screaming because we were there. It was pissed. We were there. It was obvious. It was pissed. It was there.

But it was hard to kind of tell where it was coming from. Sound like a demon screaming. Like a female demon screaming through the woods. And I had a hard time nailing down where it was coming from. But I can imagine sitting there. having it directed at you, having those localizations come at you, man. I don't blame me for being terrified sitting there. Even with the 7mm, I don't blame me for being terrified.

Yeah, but having the gun wasn't really crossed my mind. I was aware at that point that the gun was sitting next to me on the road, but it was just so loud. It was close. It wasn't very far away. It was obviously pissed that I was there. I want to back up just a second and go back to the year before that, in that same location,

because I sit on top of this hill. a year before that I had come across some trees that were about as big around as my leg and that were broke at the bottom like they were just pushed over like something had ran into it or knocked it over and I thought that was weird when I had seen them there was a couple that were broken in a direction like something had run through there or crashed through there

and I knew that whenever I'd seen it but I I'd played it off I put it out of my mind like I really don't know what it was it could have been you know somebody back here with the vehicle or something, not real sure. So I dismissed that. But if this thing's screaming at me and I hear these footsteps behind me, I'm facing the other way listening to these footsteps.

Now I'm facing south now. And the footsteps stop. And it gets really, really quiet, like, eerily quiet. I'm not hearing either creature at this point. I turn back. This is the part of the story that I have a hard time with, I turn back to the north side of the road. And this creature had stuck it.

head through the shrub through the bushes to the thicket had stuck its head through it. Its head was peering out of the other side of the bushes looking directly at me, 20 yards away from me. Close. Really close. And the sun had set, but there was still light outside. It was still, it was that eerie right before it's dark look in the woods. And I'm sure other hunters that have been in the woods know what I'm talking about that

eerie, like right before it's dark. And it was that I'm looking face to face at this thing. The terror that I was experiencing is it's almost out of body. You're so terrified. It's surreal, but I was able to note, like, I was able to see the feet. I still can close my eyes and see it exactly how it was. And this thing's head, I wouldn't say like super massive, but it was big. It was like probably twice the size of my head.

And it was almost as if this creature had crawled on his hands and knees on the backside of this hill leading to the road. Because he wasn't standing. He was on his hands and knees and his head was only three foot high from the ground as he stuck his head to the bushes. And the hair or the, it wasn't fur, it was hair. The hair was like a brownish, reddish, like most people described I've heard before, like a dirty looking brown.

or just red, kind of dark. It was kind of direction on top of its head. The face wasn't real hairier like I've heard how people describe. What I saw is different from what I've heard a lot of people describe, so I'm not sure exactly what I saw. Yeah, well, tell us. Yeah, that's okay. Tell us what you saw.

It's irrelevant what other people say. I'm curious to know what you saw. The eyes were far apart. they were spread out they weren't close together they were far apart the eyes itself were bigger

than I've ever seen they were black they were dark as night they were black there was no color in them solid black the eye sockets itself were sunk deeper into its face

it was pressed back it was deeper into its face or it had a really heavy brow ridge on the top had kind of like more of a mashed in nose, it was wider. The mouth

was almost from the side of its head to the other side of its head. It was just all the way across. I had real thin lips and they were black. The lips itself were like were just black.

His face was battleship gray. It was, it wasn't charcoal gray. His face was a battle. It was a battle. Very gray. Like super gray. And it kind of looked dirty. and I can see details in his face

where his cheeks were wrinkles in the side of his head where it had a lot of texture the face had a lot of texture to it and a big square chin and as I'm looking to this thing I don't know if he's like got his eyebrows squinted at me

he's pissed you can tell this thing is it's not happy I'm not like you know I'm basically pleading for my life at this thing crying for not to kill me

and I'm looking face to face at it I'm just screaming and please don't kill me a long nose lines. I don't remember what all was I said about as I'm looking at this thing and you know when you're a kid you take your finger and you put it on

between your teeth and your lip, make your lip dry and you curl your lips under to show your teeth. It had did that. He curled his lips up underneath and themselves and was showing his teeth at me like he wasn't, but it wasn't a smile. It wasn't like

a grand, kind of hard to describe. This thing was angry. This thing wanted to come through the bushes and come get me. I was absolutely in fear for my life that this thing was going to kill me. And we had a face-to-face encounter. I never reached for my rifle. I'm just, I'm too, I'm too afraid at this point, because if he wanted to kill me, he could have killed me. And I, because time does slow down when you're having a encounter like this, so time would feel a lot more exaggerated. And I couldn't take, I knew, I knew that I wanted to look away,

but I couldn't look away from this thing. And next thing, I know I see headlights coming down, because we're on top of the hill, and I see the headlights coming up over the top of the hill. I can see the trees starting to light up, and the lights bouncing from the doom buggy going down this rough road. So I know it's a vehicle.

I know it's my dad coming. And I'm still terrified, but I'm instantly in relief, like, please hurry, please hurry. and I turned back to look now because I turned away I turned back to look at this creature he pulled his head back through the bushes I can no longer see his head in the bushes but I could see the imprint to where his head was

just in the bushes and then I hear him running away screaming like not the same scream that he was doing before this is a different scream now and he's crashing through the woods like punching trees and like just

making a huge, huge noise as he runs off through the woods. And he was gone. And it was gone quickly. He took off running and screaming. It was going. Well, my father pulled up in the Dumbuggy, I just, I just jumped in. Like, I just dove in with all the stuff. And I blacked out. I was unconscious. As soon as I dove in, I was just instantly unconscious. I come to a few minutes later. I know exactly how long and my dad's over me and he's shaking me and he's like kind of freaked out. He's like, what the hell? And I'm just screaming drive. Just please, please, just drive. Just go. Just drive. Let's get out of here. Let's go. And so he drives away and I was sick. I was, I was just so sick. Like, nauseous, vomiting, just extremely sick after this encounter. We got back to the camp.

and I got into my dad's truck and I closed the doors and I locked the doors and I had the windows up and I told him I am not coming out of this truck till we're home. I'm not coming out. And he didn't try to fight me on it.

He didn't, you know, he wasn't. The weird thing now, too, my dad's passed since and he didn't try to struggle with it or fight with me, not wanting to get out. He just, you know, graciously packed up our camp, put it back,

because we had a cab over on the back of the truck when we actually sleep in the truck in the back part. It was like a little, I'm sure most people know what a cab over it is where you sleep in it.

And he packed it up and we put the doom buggy on and we drove out of the woods. It was late. It was, we left our camp probably about 8 o'clock at night, 9 o'clock at night.

We drove straight home. So, I mean, we got back to town in the early morning. And I was just so sick. So the next couple of days, I was just extremely sick. still nauseous. I couldn't hardly stand up if I stood up. I felt like I was

going to pass out. So I don't know if it was from the, just a... I've heard other people say that they send some type of sonar thing, but I'm not exactly convinced on that. I'm still just, there was so much fear in adrenaline. I think that's what made me sick. Yeah, I think

you're probably right. I mean, a lot of things get passed off as infrasound, but I think in situations like this, you know, adrenaline can make you sick. Especially if you're sitting there and you're in for your life for a long period of time. Your heart's pumping. All your organs are going 110 miles an hour. And then the moment there's relief, a lot of times people will say they're sick. You hear guys in firefights, like in war talk about that. When everything's said and done, they'll start throwing up.

And I think it's because our adrenaline, you know, all of our, the feelings are just going 110 miles an hour. And your body's not meant to run like that. You know, it's like running a car 120 miles an hour. How long is that car going to really run? You know, after, period of time, it's more than like crap after you've been driving it as hard as you've been driving it. And I think our bodies are kind of the same way. You know what I mean? That's my opinion. I could be wrong. Could have been M for sound, but... No, I agree. I agree with that because my time's like I just felt like just so... I slept the whole way back and I slept for the next day or two just drain and happy to be home and safe, you know, and to be back in my own bedroom,

really relieved. Super relieved. Yeah, I can imagine. said I was, this was in 1998. I was 15 years old when this happened. So, you know, our, our hunting season was only like a couple months long. And that's the same time period. I got my first job and, you know, first car, that type of stuff. I had a girlfriend at home. So, I never wanted to go back to the woods. And they never pressed it upon me. Like, my mom and my brother would still go out to the woods. And they used to terrify me for them. But I was also, like, terrified for my brother more than anything, but I didn't know how to tell him this, which I never have.

Honestly, still to this day, I have not told my brother this story. I have not told my mother this story before my father passed. He just straight point asked me, you know, when he was not doing so well, and I think he wanted to know, and he asked me what happened that day out there in the woods. And I kind of looked at him and just said, you know, dad, I thought Bigfoot was going to eat. me. And we kind of chuckled about it, you know, and it was a whole lot said about it. And I'm not sure if he knew more than he wanted to say or if he just wanted to confirm what he thought that I had seen, you know, because it was also weird, like now that I'm older and I look back

on it that he never really asked any questions that day when we packed up to leave. So I'm not sure if he had seen something like that. But I've tried telling a few people I've told some friends and I've had people like, ha ha, big foot type deal, and I've just never, I've bottled it up for a long time and just try to deal with it and just try to suppress it. And I've just recently,

the last couple years, been able to start looking into, you know, wanting to know more about what I'd seen, but I still have a hard time listening. It's like when you play audio from them screaming in the woods, I still have a hard time with that. I still have a hard time trying to, like, listen to any audio. And I do not want to go back to the woods again. So I definitely have PTSD from this encounter for sure.

Oh, I can imagine. I can imagine. I'd be a little shocked if he said you didn't have PTSD. I want to back up a little bit because there's a few questions I want to ask you about its appearance. But I wanted to ask you when it popped its head out, so it pops its head out, it looks directly at you and starts showing its teeth. Why do you think it didn't attack you? I have a couple of different theories why I think it didn't.

It was also growling too. It was making noises. I can't really remember the noises that it was making. I've tried to remember, but it was just a fear. Just seeing this thing, everything just goes away. You know, you just have a complete loss of, like, what's going on because I really was in fear thinking this thing was going to kill me. I think that the area that I was hunting in was either its territory

or I'd been close to like maybe it's young or maybe this thing had been observing me for a while. I also think there's a possibility that this thing had followed us into our camp because we, like I said, we would drive only like five, ten miles away from our camp to go hunt. I think it's a possibility that this thing maybe had followed us into our camp. And maybe this thing knew that my dad was serious business, you know. And not to be funny, you know, but like I said, my dad's a very short time. straightforward person and he was very brave man and if i think that if he would have been with me during the encounter he would have been shooting you know even though there was more than one of them i think

that could be a possibility that and he knew that he was coming my dad was also on his on his way he was not very far for me so this thing but he also could have snatched me and dragged me off in the woods before my dad came across on top of that hill and i've not been seen again so i don't know i mean Or maybe because I didn't have the rifle on my hands. So there's a couple different possible. Well, and that's kind of what I was thinking. I was thinking, you know, everyone's a tough guy until you're looking down the barrel of a gun. And maybe because you had that rifle, maybe it came out to give you a what for and decided maybe it's a bad idea attacking this guy.

He's got a pretty big gun there's next to him. And that's what I think saves a lot of hunters. I think a lot of times when they're armed, I think that these things think twice. I think they'll absolutely come out vocalize. Try and scare you to go away. Sometimes when you hear about Sasquatch's encounters, it makes me wonder in the back of my mind, do they really want to fight? I don't know that's so much that they really want to fight. I think it's more intimidation, more go away.

And maybe that rifle saved your life that day. It's hard to say. That's my two cents. You never know what I mean? Why it wouldn't come out and attack you? You think if that would have been a bear, I know you don't really have bears in that. I mean, the biggest problem you really have there where you're at is snakes, hogs and if you want to get near water gaiters.

Other than that. I've seen hogs out on this area before. Yeah. Look, I'd never fired that rifle there. We would go to target practice in a place out here by our town. We'd go north out to the grasslands. We'd go to target shooting there. But we never target shot at the hunting grounds.

So I'd never discharge that rifle there ever, not the three years that I was ever going there. So I never shot it. So I also think if this thing was observing me, he never saw me fire this rifle. You know, so either he already knows what rifles are. But the area that we would hunt in was so remote, like I said, we would see our tire tracks from the year before that. You know, so, I mean, I really don't think that this was type 2 public hunting ground, but my dad had picked a spot so remote that there wasn't many people back there.

And the woods are very dense back there. You drive a long, long way from civilization. And so people also need to know that Texas has some very remote woods that you could easily get lost in. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. You can get lost in, especially that East Texas area. It's no joke out there, man. You can get lost out there pretty quick.

And, you know, when this thing's coming at you and it's popping its head through, it makes me really think of, like when I had Rick on from Canada, he was talking about the bone pile and going into this week. weird foliage that no one really could get through. All of a sudden there's tunnel systems and it opens up. And I know I had William Sheehan talking about the terror in the bigfoot, or Bigfoot terror in the woods. He was talking about a bone pile too as well. So it makes me wonder a lot of times along these trails, you know, it pops its head out. What's behind that brush?

It's hard to even say to you because it's weird how he could stick his head through that thick of brush. It'd just be his head. And as I've gotten older and I've been able, because like I said, I've buried this inside me for many years to try to deal with it because of the trauma that I experienced. But I'm a pretty big fan of your show. I'll listen. I like listen to other people's encounters and hear how they dealt with it. That's one of the main things I listen for is to see how that person dealt with it. Because I don't hear a lot of people's stories and they don't seem to be that frightened.

Or I also hear, like, the guys that you say are researchers that go out looking for this thing. And that terrifies me that these people will go out in the woods looking for this thing. Like, I can't even comprehend that. Like, that's serious. You know, that's being pretty brave. That's wild to me. Yeah, I would agree. And, you know, listening to your description, you know, the big mouth, there's been so many encounters where, you know, I've talked to people and they said, you know, he could put a softball inside this thing's mouth.

it would still have room to eat you. The mouth was so big. You hear that a lot. When you were looking at this thing, and he did a great job describing it, but when you looked at this thing, your impression, would you say it was more human

or more non-human primate or something completely different? I don't like this, but this thing was not a human. I didn't see human at all. It was a monster. This was, I mean, if you look at a gorilla, you don't think human.

You know, even though a grillus have two eyes and a nose and a mouth, but you look at a grillo and you don't think a human. And when I'm looking at this thing, this wasn't a human. And it wasn't a, it's hard to describe. I've seen a few pictures like it, but I've never seen a picture on any, um, any sketch or anything that's close to what I, really what I've seen as far as the, the skin texture in the way the face was, the structure of the face, uh, the how deep the eye.

eyes were sunk in into his head with the bulging black eyes. I mean, it was an animal. If anything, it was an animal. I don't think it was a person. Yeah, and it's interesting to you describe Battleship Gray. You know how many times I've heard that? People have a hard time trying to figure out what color gray it is. But, yeah, I think you hit it right on the head.

Battleship Gray. I've heard that from other people. I've heard that from military guys. They're like, it's Battleship Gray. Is there skin color? Kind of that dead skin color. I think there could be other ones out there too. I don't think that, you know, this is like only one type.

I'm not saying there's not. They're very good, very well could be one that looks like a human out there. It's very mysterious that we've never gotten pictures of it or it. It puts off a certain feeling when you're around them where you see them. Like I've heard other people describe the fear, like the dread feeling that's overwhelming. Like when I first heard the first initial loud bang, which started the whole encounter, there was instantly the fear of dread, the instantly the feeling of somebody watching me. It's just surreal, like, I can't believe this is happening to me type thing, you know, like, and also, too, trying to figure out just a million things running through your mind at once. Do I run?

You know, what do I do? You know, like, do I try to escape? Is this thing going to chase me? Like, do I stay here? like especially when I was at the road and it started screaming at me, I was, I literally did not know what to do. I was just frozen fury and I did not know what to do. How big was its head compared to like a normal human size head? Probably like twice the size of the head.

Like a bigger basketball or like a beach ball, like a smaller beach balls. It had a big head, but I don't think this creature was like 10 foot, 12 foot tall or nothing like that. It was big. It was way bigger than me. but I never saw it stand upright whenever. When I was looking at the lights coming and I turned back to look, he'd pulled us out of the bushes. I don't know if he'd already stood up and run,

or if he was on his hands and knees and backed out on his hands and knees and then ran, but I never seen this thing run off. I heard he run off. I heard him run off, and you could hear him just crash into the woods and, like, it sounded like he was, like, just punching trees, and it was really bizarre, but it was a different scream. It was... How was it different?

Was it more angry, or, I mean, how, when he said, was different. What do you mean by that? Yeah, this scream was more angry. The first scream, it was almost like a communication scream. Like, there was another one behind me. There was obviously at least two. There could have been more than two. There was at least two because I heard the other one behind me. And it's like him streaming, like, hey, he's right over here, you know, like I found him. He's right here type thing. Yeah, that's terrifying. I want to ask you about the teeth, were the teeth white, and can you describe them when he was kind of showing his teeth? I mean, how would you describe them from what you saw? Yeah, they were white.

Teeth were white. I'm not real, real sure about the teeth. I did see them, but I'm not, like I said, I was just so fixated on the eyes, just staring at it, but it didn't have, like, any, like, vampire canines or, you know, nothing of that nature. I'm glad you got a chance to, May your father rest in peace. I'm sorry to hear it was passing. I'm glad you were able to get an opportunity to tell him what happened that day. Yeah, after I told him, I haven't, and that was three and a half years ago, I haven't said anything to anybody else. It's been something I've been wanting to get off my chest. I've tried, like, hint and mention this subject with other people just to see how they address the subject. and like I said, I'm from the city, so people aren't very receptive to this type of deal here in the city. It's almost like you're talking about, like, aliens or ghosts.

It's along those lines, which it is, I would consider it in the paranormal subjects, but it's just a tough subject to try to discuss with, like, loved one. Yeah, it is. You know, friends. It is. And I get it completely. And it's not necessarily anything I would want my wife to know. It's just one of those type deals that it happened. You know, you deal with.

with the, I wanted to talk to you because I'm willing to share the encounter with other people that have had the encounter or other people that are interested in the subject. But I, you know, I don't, unless people are interested in the subject or want to know, this isn't a subject that I want to just tell somebody. I understand. And I commend you for coming forward. Thank you so much for sharing it. There's a ton man. In that area where you're at, I mean, that really is Jurassic Park. I mean, I've been down there. I've been in those areas. And it is freaking dry.

I mean, I can tell you an area right now. You can go set up your recorders, just sit in your car, put your recorders on top of the hood of your car, and just let them record. I guarantee you'll get probably some of the best audio you've ever heard. Let me ask you, Jay, what do you think Sasquatch is? I mean, you've got to look at this thing. It popped its head out, looked at you,

I know it wasn't real friendly, but if someone were to ask you, what is Sasquatch? What would you say to them? I don't know. I don't know what it is. I know that it's not a person. I think maybe it's... Maybe it's coming from somewhere else,

or I'm not even sure about it. I don't think that if anything, it's really smart, or maybe this is something that we're dealing with that we just outside the realm of our understanding right now, that's what I think it is. It's just too complicated for us to understand right now. I would like to openly. say that and just put my two cents in that the David Pilates, the missing 4-1-1,

you know, I've bought that video. I've done a little bit of research like that because it scares me for my kids. I wouldn't want to all my kids have been in the woods. And I personally think that this, something that's going on with people coming missing out in the woods. I have that strong feeling because of how angry the encounter was and how much I felt like it was going to kill me and eat me for some reason. I had that feeling like it wanted to eat me. So I think that this is something that's, it's dangerous.

I don't think that this is some, like, friendly things and people are trying to, like, vocalize and talk back to them. Like, that scares me. There's no way I was wanting to go in the woods and, like, bang on trees or scream for this thing. Yeah, no, I understand what's going from. Yeah, I understand what you're coming from. And I've said that often, too, you know, like when Finding Bigfoot was on the, and I'm not trying to bash Finding Bigfoot, but, you know, those guys that,

bang on trees and do calls. What do you do when one shows up? You know, I don't see anyone. There's also weird things that are associated with when people see these, like right before or right after, there's weird things that go into a lot of people's sightings, too. So that puts it in the category of,

I don't know what it is. It's too, it's too hard to say, or just say that it's a wild animal. But I do want to say that I don't think this is a person. I don't think this is any type of, like, man or person. No, I tend to agree with you. I tend to agree with you, Jay.

I think, you know, a lot of times when people see these things, I mean, they have two arms, they have two legs, they have a head, they have shoulders, and they stand up. They look very manlike when they stand up. So I understand where people are coming from. I tend to agree with you, though. I don't think it's any form of human. It may have broken off from a branch of us from a long time ago, but, you know, I'm not a scientist. I don't know. And you answered one of my questions. I was going to ask you, do you think if it could have got its hands on you, it would have killed you? Yeah. Yeah. I do. I do. I had the feeling like it was just pouring over me like a wave of pure dread that this thing wanted to eat me. Like, I do believe this thing is a killer. Like it would have, it could have for sure. And it got, and it wanted to be that close to me. Like I say 20 yards, but you got to think, I'm sitting on one side of the road, has big dips on the side. The road's so bad that you couldn't turn a vehicle around on it. You have to either go one way or back out of it. So I'm sitting on one side of the road,

and this thing has had his head through the bushes on the other side of the road. So, I mean, I'm close. I'm really, really, really close to this thing. So he wanted me to see it. He definitely wanted me to know he was there. I don't know why he didn't attack me or kill me. I'm thankful he did it because I couldn't imagine anything more terrifying than being killed by one of these things.

I hear you. And I'm glad that he didn't attack either. You know, like you said, man, 20 yards, that's pretty close. You're only talking like 60 feet away, which is almost too damn close to be one, in my opinion, to be too close to one of these things. And for him to come out, you know, it's just weird behavior, isn't it? You know, if you're going to attack something, you're going to attack something. Like a hunter, if you're going to shoot something, you're going to shoot something. You're not going to sit and dance with it. And these things like to do that. I don't know if they enjoy sending the fear through. you. Thank God your dad drove up, because that seemed to end the whole Mexican standoff at that point. He was out of there at that point. Yeah, that was, I do feel that if my dad would even like delayed in him getting his climber down or delayed getting to me, that if I do feel that that encounter would have went on any, any longer, you know, that there would have been a finale. there would have been it would have finished in some type of way I do feel that

so I'm like I said I jumped in the buggy I was extremely thankful and I just blacked out I just blacked out and I just blacked out and I feel like I might have blacked out more than once in the encounter because when things started screaming at me like it dropped me to my knees and you know I was

I can never describe the feeling of thinking you're going to die it's terrible yeah it is it is terrible and it's It's a fascinating account. I know it's, for you, it's a terrifying account. For me, you know, he's a look at their behavior in situations like this. And that tells you something right there, too, about their behavior. You know, if it would have been a black bear, for example,

that black bear would have just came at you. If it wanted you, it would have just came towards you. It wouldn't have popped its head out, looked at you, growled. Any normal wildlife isn't going to, you know, it's either I'm going to kill you or I'm going to run. There's really know in between with a lot of wild animals. Although with these things, I think a lot of times in situations like this, they will look at it and calculate. Is it worth it going out to get this guy? Can I scare this guy off? If he's not going to run off, okay, what's next? He seems to have a rifle. It seems like there's a lot of calculations going on. And it's not just your encounter, Jay. It's with a lot of people's encounters. You can go listen to Mike Wolley's encounter. It's very

similar to yours, except for they did chase him out, and he didn't have someone to come pick him up. But it seems like there's a lot of calculations going on with these things. So for a wild animal, my hat's off to them. They're definitely smarter than your average bear. There's cases, too, though, like I heard you talk about the guy that went missing when he was camping with his friends and he was drinking and they thought he might have drowned in the small river. There's cases like that, too, but there's no explanation. where there's no possible explanation what's going to happen.

So I think they do calculate, or like, you know, maybe if you're injured or you're small or if maybe they just want to eat you. You know, maybe they do feast on people or maybe they just calculate everything as far as like if they want to eat it or if it was trying to get me out of the area. That's what makes me feel more like an animal, not like person, because if the feeling of it wanted to kill me or eat me. and I wouldn't relate that feeling or sensation with the person, and the physical appearance of it too. Yeah, no, I understand.

Well, I appreciate coming on, Jay. I know you haven't shared it with really your wife or your brother and the fact that you'd come on here and share it. I'm honored. Thank you very much. Yeah, thanks, Wes. I really appreciate it. And I want to thank again, MyBooky for sponsoring Sasquatch Chronicles.

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I have Tony Merkel from the Confessionals. on. Tony, how are you doing, man? I'm doing good, Wes. How are you doing, man? Not bad, man. Not bad. It's not to talk about the weather, but the weather sure has changed over here on the West Coast, man. Waking up, it was like 90 degrees every day. Now it's like 50 in rain. It's kind of a nice change. It's good to talk with you, though. And I know you're not so cocky now, you know, after all of your bets, I don't think one of them, I think every game lost that you said was going to win. So I thought I'd bring me a, you haven't given me a chance to get cocky. yet. Well, give us your picks this week. I know you got three games lined out. Give us your picks

so the audience can do the complete opposite of whatever you're betting. Well, here's my three hot takes of the week. First of all, we're going to start off with tradition here, Cleveland versus Oakland. Okay. Now, I think that I did call the Jets game, didn't I? That's right. I did. And if anybody bet on that game, you made some money. No problem. You're welcome. So this week with the Browns, and I'm not even a Browns fan. I'm just, I just really think that they're on an uptick, and they're going to continue this uptake, especially with Mr. Baker in there. Okay, he's going to be cooking some brownies. And so here we go this week, Cleveland and Oakland. Cleveland is going to win this game outright. Okay? So we got Cleveland, Oakland, Cleveland, Pick Cleveland, Book it. Telling you

right now. Now, that's not my ice cold hard lock of the week. But before we get to that, I want to tell people about yours truly West, Kansas City and Denver. We got Kansas City in Denver playing on Monday night football. All the nation is going to be looking at this team. And Wes, I got news from you. I got some good news for you, Wes. Well, you might actually think this is bad news. Kansas City is going to rock the house in Denver on Monday night football, national TV.

They're going to go 4 and 0. You can book that as well, my friends, at my bookie. And so before we get going here on my ice cold hard lock of the, Week, Wes, I want to ask you, what do you think about my Kansas City pick, my friend? I like it. I like it. I tend to agree. I tend to agree.

I think they're going to, I honestly think they're going to win. Later in the season, though, Denver does turn it up. So we'll give them that. But I tend to agree. Okay. Well, I thought you would be upset that I pick them because you want to say that I pick the opposite. So, but hey, Kansas City, book it. And so my ice cold, hard lock of the week is my team, my beautiful, lovely team,

caca the Eagles. I know Eagles don't make the caca sound, but I don't care. E-A-G-L-E-S. Eagles are going to rock the Tennessee Titans today at 1 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. You can book that in as a hard lock of the week. You can bet the house on it. You're going to make the serious catch on this game. So go ahead and pick the Philadelphia Eagles to beat the Tennessee Titans today at 1 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. Head to mybooky.com

and get your best flowing. Who are you? That was good. There's Tony's Hot Picks for the Week. Thanks, Tony. And I know on Tuesday, if you listen to the Confessionals, Tuesday, Tony's going to be releasing a really cool show. Gentlemen who, it's one of these shows, do you almost have to hear the whole story? There's time travel, there's abduction.

It's probably one of the more fascinating stories I've ever heard in my life. So if you get a chance, Tony, you're going to release a story. release that on Tuesday? Yeah, Tuesday at 3 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. That would be midnight on Pacific Time. And we have Tony Rodriguez coming on. And Tony has a phenomenal story. I spent about two hours with him talking to him about his experiences. Now, he was abducted, and it was a 20-year process, and it involves time travel, and it involves ETs, it involves government. It involves a lot of different stuff. It's very, very layered. So I highly encourage people to check that out. And West, I think I think I sent you a clip, didn't I, of that interview, a little bit of an introduction so people could hear it.

If you want, you could play that now. All right. Let's take a listen. Well, in fourth grade, I was picked for an advanced learning class in my school, talented and gifted, the tag program. And we met on Wednesdays in the library of the school for a couple hours, an hour and a half or so. I forget. it. But in that class, there was a boy, you know, at that point in my life, I was something I could be proud of as being a smart kid to classify for that. You know, it gave me something to be proud of. So there was a kid in that class that came to school in a limousine and was pretty

cocky and he was extremely smart. And I was threatened by him. And one day I went into the library and I was early to class and it was him and maybe three or four other girls sitting on the couch in the library and they were all laughing and I walked up and they were like one of the girls said he can read your mind do him do him

and he didn't want to and he just looked at me and I thought you can't do that I thought to myself that's not possible you know and she said no do him do him he said go ahead and think something but don't say it and I looked at him and I thought to myself you're the ugliest kid

I've ever seen and none of these girls would ever date you. That's what I thought to him. I mean, we were 10-year-old kids. And he looked at me like he knew. I didn't believe he was going to, no. But ever after that, at that moment, he looked at me with just disgust in his face. He didn't say anything and he never liked me after that. We were just, it was just, I couldn't get a hello.

He hated my guts. And later on that year during the science fair, his dad came on and was, his dad came and was a judge for the science fair. And, you know, and he said in one day, he said, my dad's an Illuminati, what's your dad do? And I had no idea what that was. You know, I said, my dad works at GM. My dad's got a great job.

My dad's super, super awesome. You know, my dad did have a great job. But I didn't know what that meant, but it stuck out in my head, you know, it's something. And he meant it, like in an insulting way. but when his dad came up later he pointed I walked by we're setting up our exhibits in the cafeteria for our for the science fair and I walked by him and his father and he said dad that's that boy I told you about that ruined my confidence and then they had they had a they had a exchange of words that I didn't understand what they were talking about that didn't make any sense to me

and then I heard him say well he doesn't really deserve that and then his dad said well you just have to learn how to handle you know he said something to the effect of you need to learn how to manage your resources there's And I just walked off. I didn't think of it. And it was later that night, or it was within a day or two. It was very soon that I woke up in the middle of the night with your standard gray ET standing over my bed with his face maybe a few inches from mine. I originally thought it was my dad joking around. I said, Dad, knock it off.

Take off the mask. And I reached up and touched it. And, you know, like right on his cheek. And it was cold and wet and porous. It was like it was porous. Like there was like a, like a window screen kind of porous, you know. And I went, ah, eek, you know, I freaked out. And before I could scream, I was frozen and I couldn't move.

I was paralyzed. And I saw at the foot of my bed two shorter reptilian-looking beings with hoods on, with kind of like a hoods. And they came around and grabbed me and carried me back to the foot of my bed. and there was a flash. I thought, it felt like we went out the window, but I don't think so, looking back on it. There was a flash of light, and I ended up in a laboratory somewhere. Yeah, I guess be careful who you bully.

I mean, you got to hear the whole story I'm telling you for the audience. I've already heard the show twice, and I'm going to listen to it again on Tuesday. Go and check out the Confessionals podcast, Confessionalspodcast.com. You definitely want to hear Tony Rodriguez's the story. Tony Merkel, thanks for coming on, man. Thanks for giving us your picks. Absolutely, and I hope everybody makes a lot of money at mybooky.ag this week. Thanks, Tony.

And check out Tony Merkel. He's the Confessionalspodcast.com. If you're on iTunes, definitely check out the Confessionals. Thank you again, Tony. Next up on the show, let's welcome Francis. Francis, thanks for coming on. Oh, no problem. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here.

And I know you had two encounters out there in California. Now, this is back in the 70s. If you would, would you kind of start from the beginning. walk us into what happened. What were you guys out doing? And what did you see? What did you experience? Okay, well, it was my ex-husband and his friend.

And we lived in Anaheim, California. And we decided to take a week and go up to Yosemite and go to Mammoth and June Lake, Virginia Lakes, and all that type of thing. So we drove up to Yosemite. And then we went through the valley, and then we were on 120, and Tenaya Lake is on 120. So we got all our stuff that we parked. There was a little bit of a hike. And we went to the camping spot close to the lake, set up our things, you know, gear and everything. And then we had to go across 120 to get firewood.

So we went across 120, and it's probably late in the afternoon, but not dust. or anything, just later in the afternoon. So we're getting wood, and my husband decides he's going to go climb up on some granite rocks. And we could hear him. I thought he was getting wood. And then I could see him in the distance. I mean, and I'm like, what the heck? So I said, no, yeah, I yelled.

I think you need to get down from there and come and help us so we can start a fire. So he laughed, thought it was funny. He got down. He came. We started getting wood. And then we started hearing something cracking sounds, crackling. Like when somebody's making noise, there's something out there behind us, like in these dense bushes and there's trees. At the same time, the hair stood up on the back of my neck.

And I don't know if it did for them, but probably did because we had wood. and we threw the wood up in the air and let it drop, and then we ran all the way back to our camp space. And then when we got there, we're thinking, now we don't have any wood. So we got what we could find around there, which was already picked over from, I guess, a lot of people, you know, camping in that area. So we started a fire, and it kind of burned out about 10 o'clock. We ate something, and then we got in the tent. pretty cold. It was in September. And we're laying there

and laying there and can't go to sleep because it's freezing. And then there was no sounds of animals or any little creatures or anything. And I said, do you notice that there's no sounds out there? And they go, yeah.

And then we heard this this ungodly roar, like a lion. It was close, though, because It wasn't like some of the vocalizations I've heard that people have taped their off. They seem like they're a little bit off in a distance. Oh, no, this was right close by. And it just lasted.

It seemed to me like it lasted forever. It started with this low roar. And then I went way up and took almost a high-pitched scream. And then when it was done, we couldn't move. I was shaking right now too my stomach I was shaking and my stomach was in a knot

and I felt like I was going to have an accident but I was young so I held on all that in and I just couldn't stop shaking shaking shaking and feeling sick I felt kind of sick and so

we just stayed there for, I don't know how long we were there. I don't think it was more than 10, 15 minutes. And then we heard voices, people's voices. And then we thought, well, maybe we should get out of the tent and see who that is. Because we knew it wasn't any, it was people, you know. We see people, the flashlights coming around from the granite face. The lake is on a, you know, a granite face almost like a half dome, but not quite that high. they were coming around and when they got to where we were they said did you see it it ran right in front of your tent right by your tent or someone and they must have been down when they turned coming from where they were staying it ran I guess and they saw it just you know run our direction and it was gone and so we were like

what did we see what and then we're like ew what is that smells like a wet dog smell and then we just thought well you know it's just wet dog smell out here and uh they left now this is ridiculous we had no knives we had no guns no weapons and i don't even think we had a flashlight i don't remember but i do remember getting back in the tent and just laying there like just terrified and until the sun came up. And then when we saw the sun coming up, we got everything, packed it up, put it, you know, took it to the vehicle, and then went home instead of going to the other places. And that was, it was terrifying.

Yeah, I can imagine, especially, you know, you can pass off a roar, but when a roar goes into a scream, that doesn't really add up to any known animals out there. Did the people coming down, did they say, was it on two legs? Was it on four legs? Or was it just? They didn't say, you know, they didn't say, they didn't say anything, whether it was on two or four. We should have thought to ask them, what does it look like, you know? But they just said, did you see it?

Okay, we did a lot of camping for many years. I've heard, you know, mountain lions, even rabbits scream and something, they're scared, and all these different animals that California has, bears and all that. That was not a normal sound. That was not an animal that I ever, I just knew it wasn't a normal thing. Yeah, and this is back in the 70s too. So, I mean, there's no finding Bigfoot. There's no, you know, it's probably more or less just what in the world was at.

Yes. And I did call the Forest Rangers, the Forestry. and I asked them, am I crazy or something, what is, you know, and they says, oh, we're keeping, we're keeping records of all of these people that have had the same similar situation. I said, are you kidding? She goes, no, it was a woman. And she believed me. And that was the last of that. And I never saw it anywhere or, you know, read it anywhere.

but obviously we weren't you weren't the only ones so we've had that happen so and i can kind of understand what you did too you know it's what are you supposed to do you know it's a middle of the night get out pack everything up and leave i mean well yeah i bet that's what you wish but you know what i mean like a lot of times when you're in that situation it's like well what do especially when you don't know what it is and at that time i could see why you guys would stay there. Tell me about your second encounter, because I thought this was pretty fascinating. Okay. I never really went camping anymore. I even didn't like going up to Lake Tahoe. Sometimes we go up to Lake Tahoe. Oh, I moved to Sacramento and 79, Sacramento, California.

So sometimes we'd go up to Lake Tahoe. And, you know, and we were coming back at night, I just felt, I don't know, it was a lot of forest. So I didn't know. We had friends up there. So living in Sacramento, you know, it's a city, and there's not the only place that really has the forest or, you know, the parks and the sierras. So a bunch of friends, they usually go every year to a campground called Wildcat. It's on the coast, point raised north of San Francisco.

And I had no idea. It was like a six-mile, six-mile. six mile height there and of course six mile hike back and we went in the middle of the night now I don't know why they wanted to do that there was about 25 of us quite a few people so I thought oh that would be fun you know there's no weird things there

I mean other than just the regular things so we're kind of going around Mount Tamopai in our cars and trucks and I was with my friend and another friend He was driving and she was sitting in the front. I was in the bat. So I was looking up through the skylight, to the sunroof.

And not skylight, the sunroof. And then I see something really dark and big to my right standing on an angle like 10 feet down where it's impossible for a human to stand without falling on their head or going down to the road. and killing themselves or something. So this happened really fast. I look up there. I'm thinking, what the heck? Somebody's standing up there and heaves a rock, about as big as a grapefruit.

And it hit the top of the car, made a dent, and it barely missed the glass. Now, if it hit the glass, that would be where I'm sitting. I don't know what would have happened. And we just were like, well, you know, what the heck was that? And I think working back, it had to be another one of those creatures. It couldn't have been a human. And why in the middle of the night, like 1230 at night, standing up there waiting for nobody to go by? Because normally people aren't driving around up there that late.

I just never, ever, I go on to the woods. I'm afraid of it. I'm terrified of it destroying my life as far as the beauty of camping and trees and all that kind of thing. So I just stick to other things. Yeah, I hear you. It's bizarre. You know, you're right. That's very bizarre.

You know, you're in the middle of freaking nowhere. And you're probably right. I mean, hardly anyone drives on that road who's going to be standing out there with a bowling ball size bowl. boulder to hit a car whip when it goes by. It probably was one of these things. That's fascinating. What did everyone think? I think Phil, well, nobody's, I don't know if the other one saw it because they kept going. And I don't, Phil, this guy was driving. And then when we got down to Palomarinas where you park cars and trucks, he looked at that and went, oh, man, what was that?

I said, I don't know. Somebody or something standing on the side, I don't know what angle that would be. Would that be 45 degree almost straight up and down, just barely having a foot, you know, a place to put your feet? I don't know. And so I just put it out of my mind because we were there to have fun. And I always thought about it until, you know, and then I started thinking about it more, especially since I started looking up people that believe the way we do or have had an experience. And don't think you're crazy or laugh.

And I realize there's a lot of people out there that have had similar experience that I have. And so I don't feel so, you know, crazy. I understand. And you hear that with a lot of people. You know, whenever something happens, do you, I think as human beings, have the mindset of, well, this only happened to me. But you're right. In reality, with Sasquatch, there's a lot of people. I mean, there's a lot of people who've had encounters. You know, my tiny little show, look how many people have come on, you know, and that's barely even,

not even scratching the surface as far as encounters go. Fascinating stuff, I don't blame me for not wanting to go in the woods anymore. And I just started listening to your podcast, and I think it's amazing. I appreciate that. I appreciate that very much. wanted to ask you, Francis, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your honest opinion? If someone were to ask you, what do you think Sasquatch is? What would you say to them? I would say it's a really dangerous creature that's really smart, smarter than intelligent, that people don't realize how intelligent they are. And they've been able to, you know, dodge people finding them. And I've heard that you can't find a body. Well, they probably bury their body.

They've something, one of their, you know, family members dies or friends. Because people do, you know, I just think it's, it's, it's, I don't think it's something to be trifled with. And when I think about people looking for them, I'm like, you're looking for them because you have not had that feeling in your, in your body that felt like you're going to, I think I'm going to die. I don't know what it's from, but I think that's going to kill me. I just don't, I just don't know how people have the, how they could do it, go out looking for them for those creatures. And I'm so glad I didn't see it. Yeah, yeah. Well, sometimes it is nice not to see it, but sometimes you always had that back in your mind where, and I'm sure you've gone through this, where you think, God, I wish I would have saw it.

But I know what you mean. It's kind of like ignorance is bliss. Thank God I didn't see it. Fascinating accounts. I really appreciate you coming on and sharing them. Oh, I'm glad I could do it. I hope it, you know, other people are interested also. And thank you for letting me come on because it makes me feel validated,

if that's, you know, what you could say. But, yeah, I'm glad I finally really told somebody that, really gets it. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you again. Yes. Well, thank you. And that's it for tonight, everyone.

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