Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:479 The Truth About The Paracas Skulls

Episode Date: October 7, 2018

he elongated skulls of Paracas in Peru caused a stir in 2014 when a geneticist that carried out preliminary DNA testing reported that they have mitochondrial DNA "with mutations unknown in any human, primate, or animal known so far". Now a second round of DNA testing has been completed and the results are just as controversial – the skulls tested, which date back as far as 2,000 years, were shown to have European and Middle Eastern Origin. These surprising results change the known history about how the Americas were populated. Paracas is a desert peninsula located within Pisco Province on the south coast of Peru. It is here where Peruvian archaeologist, Julio Tello, made an amazing discovery in 1928 – a massive and elaborate graveyard containing tombs filled with the remains of individuals with the largest elongated skulls found anywhere in the world. These have come to be known as the ' Paracas skulls '. In total, Tello found more than 300 of these elongated skulls, some of which date back around 3,000 years. Check Dr. Warren's book here

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out, maybe grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. There's new DNA information on the Paracas elongated skulls. That's a group of skulls, 300 of them, that were excavated in Peru in 1928.

Now, you can see from the pictures that they're abnormal. looking. There's 300 of these skulls that were found buried together, and they all have these abnormal heads. Do you think this is anephalum, in your honest opinion? And I realize you can't be 100% sure, but... Yeah, my personal opinion, there's a very good chance. So my first reaction when I saw this was, oh, but there are some cultures where this is considered beautiful, and cultures actually elongate their schools. But tell us a little bit about why. why that is not the explanation for this. Well, this is what they're finding.

First of all, in regards to that, the capacity inside the skull is larger than a normal human skull. So if they were to do that, what you're talking about, it would reshape the skull, but it wouldn't change the volume of the brain inside the skull. These are 25% larger and 60% heavier. That much. Oh, 60%. That's a huge difference. And that alone is enough to make you go, well, what's going on there?

But the DNA evidence that came out, to put this in perspective, these skulls are 3,000 years old, and the pyramids of Egypt are around 4,000 years old. And what they came out with was this. The researcher who is named Brian Forrester, he hired a DNA geneticist to look into this, who said this. It had mitochondrial DNA with mutations unknown in any human, primate, or animal known so far. But a few fragments I was able to sequence from this sample indicate that if these mutations will hold, we are dealing with a new human-like creature, very distant from the Homo sapiens, Neanderthals, and Denozovins. I am not sure it will even fit into the known evolutionary tree.

You would think this would be breaking news around the world, like, hey, we found these skulls. are not human. We have DNA to prove it. I can share you the DNA to prove they're not 100% human, but no one's talking about it. I don't get it. Reference anywhere on Earth or other's DNA. There is no known reference on Earth with the

paternal DNA. So we're still missing a little, we're still missing 50% of our information because of that. You know, there's just no known reference. The laboratory has never seen anything like anywhere on Earth. Just tell me the truth. No matter how crazy it sounds, I just want to hear

the truth. His intent is simply to find the truth as to who these people were. I find it fascinating. Absolutely. I want to know. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. I got a couple encounters we'll talk about a few guests I'm going to bring on. And then we'll actually switch gears and we'll be talking to Dr. Warren, who's examined the elongated schools, the parochic schools from Peru. And that was just a little bit of intro to give you guys a little bit of background on these skulls. Very fascinating stuff. If you ever get a chance, YouTube the Procas schools and just go look at them and go look at what some of these experts say about them. It's very, very bizarre. You know, they say, well, there could be no Sasquatch. We got everything figured out. And I'm not saying that Procass schools are Sasquatch. What I'm saying is, go look at this and then tell me what it is. We don't have everything figured out. I hate to break it to you. We don't have everything figured out. And it's bizarre to me that this isn't breaking news. But I'll be talking to Dr. Warren later on in the show. He's examined the skulls.

He'll be talking about the DNA. He'll be kind of giving us a breakdown on the skulls. But before I bring Dr. Warren on, we'll be talking to Brian. And he's going to be sharing with us two encounters. One when he was a little kid and then one when he was a teenager. Two encounters, he saw the creature in New Jersey. Very fascinating stuff. And then I'll be bringing a gentleman we'll call Bill tonight.

He's current military. He had an encounter on the base, very brief, one walking across the road in front of him, and he still shook up by. He doesn't really want to talk about it. I know he didn't really want to come on the show and discuss it. He's worried about his military career, but I really appreciate Bill coming on and talking about it. If you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can be I'm a member and get additional shows. I appreciate you guys being here. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Brian to the show. Brian, thanks for coming on. Awesome. Thank you for having me.

Yeah, I appreciate being here, man. And I know you're out there. How's the winter coming along? You're in the New Jersey area, aren't you? I'm actually moved down to Florida. I had to move in with family. We lost my father last year, and, you know, mom wasn't doing so good and stuff. So I had to relocate down here.

But I mainly grew up in New Jersey for most of my life. Yeah, you don't really have winter down there in Florida. I'm sorry to hear about your dad too, by the way. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, the winter's up in New Jersey. I've had plenty of them, you know, and it's been like a frigidly cold. But it's good for going out plowing and making a couple bucks, you know what I mean?

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, you had two encounters. If you would, would you take us back to your first encounter? Did it happen in the New Jersey area? Or in the state of New Jersey? It happened early, probably I'd say it was probably in 1981 or 82. My parents had just bought our family home.

And we had like a big large field with a big long pond out in the back that's all connected to a river system and woods everywhere. And just me and my neighbor who was a couple years younger than me, we had a tree fork that my father and my uncle had built for us in the backyard with a top. tire swinging stuff. So, you know, it was a great place to play, and it was nothing but a big field at the time that was out there, and we had big, giant tool weeds that would grow five, six, seven feet tall. So one day, it was me and my neighbor and another childhood's friend who had moved away when we were children, and we were in the treehouse, and we're just, you know, having fun playing, and I look out across the field, and I see something starting to walk through the tall shrubs and the bushes and stuff.

And I was just like, wow, you know, what's that? So I got the, you know, the attentions of my neighbor and our other childhood friend. And we were watching this, this, whatever it was, started coming through the shrubs. And it came out. And it looked like it was six to seven foot tall, I guess thing or humanoid figure that was covered in black hair. And it started walking closer to us. and I could, you know, really get a good look at it. I did really remember it almost looking like it was a combination of like a human and a chimpanzee combined

because my parents, they grew up in the Bronx and we go in and see our grandparents all the time and we used to go to the Bronx Zoo all the time. So that was the closest thing that I could relate it to when I first saw this thing. It just watched us and we wound up getting kind of freaked out and scared. So we, you know, hustled down out of the tree house and went running into the house. And I was telling my mom, and she didn't believe us. So, you know, it was a pretty scary encounter for, you know, at the time, you know, we're just kids. But it was definitely what wasn't a human being.

That's for certain. Yeah, it doesn't sound like it. What did your friend say that was with you? My neighbor, he vaguely remembers the incident. you know, I'm a couple years older than he was, but, you know, he remembers something happening. And the other childhood friend, you know, I haven't seen him since that time. So, you know, it was just, it was a pretty scary moment, you know, at the time. But, you know, it was just, it really frightened us as children.

And I could remember, you know, being in class at school and seeing, like, library books when they had like Patty was like on the cover of the books. And I remember when I was viewing this thing, I was like, I was like in disbelief. I was just like, oh my God, these things are real,

but you would read the Patterson story and it took place on the West Coast, not on the East Coast. So it was kind of like, you know, it didn't make sense as to why, you know, you're seeing this type of an animal

over here in this area. So, you know, it's just like one of those things, you know, that they always just thought about. But, you know, after listening to various encounters on your podcast show, which is absolutely amazing, it makes you believe that these animals

they're across the United States and all over the world. Yeah, I would agree. And you get a lot of – I get reports from New Jersey. You know, it's funny. On the West Coast, you have this mindset. When I think in New Jersey, I think of big cities. Or like when someone says New York, you think of, you know, Times Square. But there's so much more to those states than the big cities.

And probably, New Jersey in particular, some of the most beautiful forest and trailways I've ever seen. Absolutely. Upstate New York. Great for hiking. Yeah. Even upstate New York is beautiful. Some of the most beautiful countryside I've ever seen. Yeah.

And I understand your mom. I mean, you know, what are you supposed to say to something like that? But if it would have been a man, I don't think you guys would have reacted the way you guys did. Yeah, you know, it was strange because as it was walking towards, like out of the shrubs, like it was taking its time. It's not like it just came like barging through. Like it would take its time like creeping through. Like I guess it was curiosity, you know, that must have caught its ear.

But right down to not far from where this incident took place, there's a river system. And there's a huge playground that was there for kids. And it was all woods at the time that was back there. So, you know, it's been like reported that these animals. almost like they find watching children, you know, to be very curious. And yet, that's pretty scary at the same time. Yeah, I would agree. It is scary.

It is scary. And I've had many reports of them watching kids. And sometimes you wonder what's the agenda behind watching kids. Is it just curiosity? I'm not so sure. If I felt like it was just curiosity, I would say it. But I'm not so sure. It's just curiosity.

Tell us about your second encounter. Where did this happen? right in the same area, right behind, you know, my family's home. I, uh, I was there. I went to take my, my dog, my Labrador for a walk out in the back. And, um, she was on alert. Like, she jumped up and, like, she was sniffing the air. And I was just like, you know, what type is with her? So we went walking out of the gate, you know, out into, towards the field, like we had a walking path that was out there, you know, it was just worn down from years ago and back and forth out to the, lake. And as I'm walking out, I see something out of the corner of my right eye a couple hundred

feet away with its head turned the other direction. It pivoted its head and it noticed me and it immediately jumped like jump down to the ground. I was just like, what the heck was that? So when we went running out there and it was only maybe a couple hundred feet away to the area where I saw it, and it was like it vanished. There was no trace of it anywhere. Even my dog was like looking around and stuff. It was like it just completely disappeared. Before it disappeared, what is it that you actually saw? It looked like something very similar to when I was a child.

It looked like it was probably between seven and eight feet tall because I was judging because the neighbor's home, they had a deck that went down with stairs. And from where I was looking to the height of what it was, it was easily seven to eight feet tall, covered in, like, in matted hair. I saw a bit of the shoulders. I saw it probably from, like, the shoulders up to the head. Then as soon as it noticed me, it went directly to the ground.

So, you know, it was a quick, fast encounter, but, you know, it definitely resembles what I saw years ago in my childhood youth. I'm curious. Did your mom, did you ever talk to your mom and dad after this and say, hey, listen. I know when I was a kid, you didn't believe me, but here's what I saw. And did they ever say anything weird around that property? Anything strange that went on? No, no, they never did. You know, I remember having conversations with my dad.

And he was probably, and he was like, you know, it's probably just, you know, someone having a couple beers down in the park, you know, walking through the, you know, the shrubs and stuff intoxicated. And, you know, he didn't really think much about it. But, you know, it was just one of those things that you see, you know, when you tell another story, it's like you get ridiculed and you're afraid to, you know, speak up on what you saw. But, you know, still even to this day, it's just one of those things that I'll never forget. Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine. Yeah, a fascinating account, at least you got a chance to see them, even though they were kind of quick glances.

That first encounter really fascinates me. It makes me wonder if you knew you guys were up there and was coming to check you guys out, see what you guys were doing. Obviously, two kids up there aren't hunting. Yeah. What do you think Sasquatch is, Brian? I know you've been listening to the show for a long time, and you've had these two encounters throughout your life. If someone were to ask you, what do you think Sasquatch is? What would you say to them?

My honest opinion is I think that there are some type of a human hybrid mixed with an unknown species of person. primate that is yet to be discovered or most likely it has been discovered that we don't, that we're not told about. I don't know if it's a combination of giganticaphyggeous, lackey, with something else, but they've got to be some type of a human hybrid. That's my honest opinion on it, because they have an amazing intelligence to them. They know what guns are. They're masters of the woods.

You know, I mean, it's just they're, without question, one of the biggest anomalies on this planet. It is just beyond amazing at what they can do, just their sheer mass and size. I mean, it's, Mother Nature can be truly scary and terrifying, yet beautiful at the same time. I agree. Hopefully it's Mother Nature and hopefully it's not something else, but it is bizarre that. You know, like even in your first encounter where it's a half man, half chimpanzee or half monkey, it's bizarre. And that's how most people describe it. They say it's take a man, cross him with an ape and a monkey, and basically that's what I saw. And I think across the board, that's how most people describe it.

It's bizarre, isn't it? I mean, it's just, like you said, it's beyond comprehension. Yeah, exactly. And even since we've been down here in Florida a couple weeks ago, I heard something roar twice. My dog woke me up. It was probably like two, three o'clock in the morning, and we walked out front. And I heard these two roars like I've never heard before in my life.

It's funny because it coincided because there's a horse ranch that's right down the road here. And they hold all these annual events where there's, you know, big prize money to be won. And people who are horse owners, they come from all over the United States to compete. and it was exactly during that same time period when I heard these roars while they were hosting this event. So I was just like, wow, you know what, they're probably attracted to the horses and what's going on in the stables over here.

I mean, that's the only thing that I could think of as to why I heard those sounds, but if that was a Florida skunk ape, I genuinely believe that I could, you know, quite possibly have heard it. Yeah, well, keep your eyes and yours open while you're down there in Florida. I'm glad to hear you taking care of,

of your mom, especially after you died. Your dad passed away. May you rest in peace. I'm sorry again to hear that. Thank you, sir. I really appreciate it. Yeah, I'm glad to hear you taking care of your, took care of mama, though.

And I appreciate coming on, brother. If anything else happens down there, let me know, will you? Absolutely. We'll do. And next up on the show, I want to welcome Bill. Bill's still active military.

I've changed his name. I've changed a witness's name. He's still active military, and I know he's a little bit nervous talking about this. He doesn't want to. to ruin his military career and his father is a huge fan of the show. But I'm excited to talk to him.

Bill, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for being here. Hey, how's it going? It's going good, man. It's going good. Thanks so much for coming on. I know you're nervous about sharing this encounter. I know when we talked on the phone, you wished it hadn't happened.

But if you would, would you mind telling us what actually happened and what you saw? We were in Fort Polk, Louisiana, and we were doing training exercises for couple of weeks and we went down there. And what had happened was, was that I had a guard shift one night and basically I was just thrown on shift randomly. And I'd went out there and there's a little dirt road leading to a huge woodline. Now, we're at, it's heavily wooded and there's only a few of us out. It had been around two in the morning and it started to get really, really, really foggy. I'd say that I had my night vision, and it was hard to see. It was very hard to see, even with the fog.

And we were a couple feet from each other. It was me and another individual. He went one way I went the other. I'd say maybe about maybe not even a quarter of a mile apart, but we were doing our guard, and I had seen something in the woods. I heard a noise and I'd look over there We We thought we were going to get attacked

And basically what had happened was Was I saw this figure I thought it was like Oh, it's another soldier Come out with the woodline We're going to get attacked Like, okay, I'm ready for this So I had drew my weapon

Because you know, I thought Oh, I have to get ready to engage I see a tall figure I thought it was a male at first coming out in his his his his uh oCP camo i was like okay i'm gonna go over and see what's going on so i i walked over there and um there's it was a big figure it wasn't like anything i've seen before it had came out and it had crossed the road and i had stood there and i was like shaking it was i started to get cold i froze up because it was for what i can describe it wasn't

anything i've seen before it was like it wasn't it was bigger than person. I guess I anticipated what I saw. I looked at it and kind of like freaked me out. I didn't know what I really didn't know what to do. But it was, I thought it was brown like a camel, but it was so foggy I couldn't identify it. This thing came out the woods and it crossed the dirt path in front of me. and I looked, I glanced at it. I want to say it's about seven foot. And it's, I had these, this color disfiguration and it's like, its eyes. It was like, I want to say like a lime color, a limeish color, maybe a little bit yellow, more on the yellow side. And Billy, are you look, is this through like night vision you're seeing it, or are you seeing it with your?

Yeah, this is through night vision. This is just ignite. Oh, I got you. Okay. And so it had crossed, it had, like, crossed, like, the road and hit it back in. I didn't know what I saw. But it was no male. It was no bear.

It just had to be shaken out really, like, talking about the experience. I mean, I told my father about it because he's a big enthusiast. Like, he likes watching all these shows and stuff like that. And I didn't believe really much of it at first, but when I saw what I saw, I didn't know how to react to it. All I did was, nope, I'm not going back there. I turned around, I walked back. I got relieved from my shift. And that was it.

This thing cleared the road, like, maybe, I would say three steps, three, four steps. And was this on the military base? Yes. it was. It was. It has a lot of acres of land. So it's next to the... Okay, describe it is next to the military base.

So we would do... We'd do training inside and outside of military base. So it just... It was a little bit off. So we exit the post, and it... I don't know. I just don't know how to describe my experience.

It was just really weird to make me really uncomfortable, and I didn't really want to talk about it. All I can really say was it was not a bear, it was not a human, it had a dark, brown, distinct color. And when I was looking through it, it had these bright eyes,

like these bright eyes. And it cleared the road in three, four steps. I didn't give myself with that. I had like two seconds back. I turned around, I walked back, and it got relieved from my post. That's what happened.

Yeah, it's bizarre to see. see the eye, eye color through night vision like that, wouldn't you agree? I mean, if I look at you through night vision, your eyes aren't going to glow. Not like that. No. Yeah, that's bizarre, man. I suppose it didn't show up in a report or anything anywhere. No, it didn't.

I didn't say anything about it. Yeah. I didn't tell my parents, like I told my dad over the son, he was ecstatic. And I was just like, yeah. With everything that's been going on, honestly, I just, like, I didn't know how to react to what I saw, and I didn't really like talking about it. But my dad said it'd be a good way to, like, vent. So I tried. Yeah, no, you did great, man.

You did great. And, you know, you're not the only one, Bill that sees these things on military bases. I mean, I've had so many reports on military reservations. You have no idea. And it's guys out doing war games. it's guys out doing on patrol. And the shame of it is they never give you guys real live ammo. It's always blanks while you're out there.

So what do you, I mean, it's, you basically have a bat that you can hit something with. It's not really a gun. And I think most, you know, honestly, I think most people go through that. You know, even if it's not on a military base, most people don't want to talk about it. They're just like, I'd rather forget it ever happened. But these things are out there, man. And you've got to keep your eyes and your ears open, especially on these military. military bases because there's a lot of guys.

I had a guy, I'll send you the encounter if you want to listen to it, but he was on a military base. I was telling me about it before he came on the air. And he was, um, uh, he had walked into the tree line and he's within like 10 or 15 feet from the saying. And it's growling and snarling at him. And he's pointing his, his rifle at it. You know, your training takes over. So he's pointing the rifle at it, getting into an attack position. And then he realizes, you know, crap, I only have blanks. and so he had to back away from the whole situation. But I have a sneaky suspicion.

It goes on more than most people want to admit on these bases. What do you think Sasquatch is, Bill? I mean, I know your dad's into it. You're not really into it. But what do you think that they are? Honestly, I don't know much about them. I know the fact that what I saw, there's no possibly way it's anything I've ever seen it before.

I don't know what it could be. it had like very like the shoulders of this thing it was broad like I can see like the figure like you know how you can like see like the outer image of a person like how they're built like because when I got up there I'm like oh it's just another person in the distance but like it had broad shoulders you can see like how big this thing was I'd give it maybe like a hallway almost a little bit smaller like when you walk to a hallway it shoulders are about that broad It's pretty broad. But I've never, yeah, I want to say this, I don't know, I can't, I can't honestly be like, tell you how much it weighed, but it was like over a good few hundred pounds. I've just never seen anything like this before. And the only thing I could refer to it is being like an ape-like individual creature. But I can't say anything else about it because I don't really know what I'm talking about,

you know. I mean, I just tell you what I saw and what my experience was, and it kind of scared me, and I kind of just shrip it off and, left away. And I don't blame me for doing that. Did it look in your direction or when you were looking at it through the night vision, was there any other details that stuck out to you? I just, when it crossed the road, it had glanced and I saw the eyes and then it was gone. Yeah. You would think on a military base you wouldn't run into these things. But especially up here in Washington State, man, Fort Lewis, guys out there run into them all the time. And they're

told not to talk about them. They're told not to put it in a report. They're told, I've had MPs that have run into them at night when they're on their watch and they're told not to put it in the report. So it's very bizarre. But you're not the only one that's seen them, especially on a military base. It happens more often than you would think. Thank you. I appreciate having this conversation. I don't know, just talking about it just makes you feel like because my stomach is not, you know? Yeah, well, I appreciate coming on, man. I mean, it's, um, It's hard to get military guys to talk about it. It really is because, you know, it's, you want to ruin your military career,

start talking about how you saw Bigfoot. It's a quick way to be demoted, you know. And same thing with pilots. You know, pilots, they see UFOs all the time. You'll never see one in an FAA report because they're told to keep their mouth shut about it because if you want to fly, you saw nothing. And I kind of think that's the way it goes on some of these bases, and it's just the way it is. you know what I mean.

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Dr. Warren is the author of the expert analysis DNA results, and you can pick that up at la-a-marsuli.net. You can also get it on Amazon. Doc, how are you? Hey, I'm doing all right. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. I've been really fascinated with these Procket Schools. Would you give us a little bit of background on the Procket Schools?

What do they look like? Where are people finding them? And then we can go a little bit into the DNA, if you would. Thing on the book, it wasn't just myself. I really don't know what to call it. It's a humanoid. Yeah, and I'm always amazed that the news didn't. Like, there's really not a lot of media coverage on this, and I don't get that.

You know, it's physical evidence. It's stuff they're yanking out of the ground in presenting it. And when you look at these skulls, I mean, they look like freaks. Whoever these, I know they're not human, we'll get into the DNA in a minute, minute. But can you describe the skulls to someone who's never seen one? What do they look like? You know, there's two different versions of these parades. Remember the movie long time ago?

Yeah, of course. A cone head. Well, one version is a cone head where this elongated skull. There's another version where the head extends back to move the alien. Remember the original alien where that creature was walking around? It was really long had. Yeah, of course, yeah. Yeah, not to that extreme, but it's pretty elongated to the posterior versus those who are elongated, superior.

Those are two different versions of these creatures that have been seen out there. Now, one of the interesting characteristics to the skulls, and that which we have the most other type who are elongated to the posterior, so the one that you're going to see on the cover of our book is actually one who is elongated to the posterior. It's kind of a boldest elongation to its head. One of the odd things is that just above, let's say, the eyebrows, the forehead would be, but yet it's kind of smashed back, There's a lump. It's really strange. They have this little lump on their forehead, and then the head extends back from there. Another interesting characteristic with these guys is that you find a lot of tiny little bones within the sutures of the skull. So skull sutures are joints, or you can say a bunch of cracks.

They look like cracks in the skull, but they're there for a reason. they're actually genetically programmed to be there. So they're not just random crack. These are joints for the skull to move about. And the ones that are on the paraca skulls, the intriguing thing is that within their joints or their sutures, they have what are called fesmolibone. Word is a derivative of sesame seed because they look like little sesame seeds.

Now, I jump to that because an odd characteristic is having tons in tons of these sesmoid bones within their sutures. And one of the things you find with a sesmoid, sesmoids are oftentimes, it's your kneecap. That's actually a seismoid. It used to be just a seismoid in it. And then it grows into a kneecap later.

And there are other places where you have a sezmoid. So sesmoids are kind of a characteristic of an area that's going to do a lot of growth, and it's eventually going to solution. It's like the body is planning on solidifying later or sometimes not. It's going to use that semoid as something for pull on. And if, no, I bring that up because resting conversation that we have going on about these. Just around the world, everybody is finding these things. And we're wondering, are these things the product of artificial cranial deformation, you know, cradle head,

head binding, things of that nature. Well, the presence of the sesmoid, in my opinion, is the critical thing that shows you the difference between a head that has been elongated artificially versus one that has grown naturally like this. So you will say, well, what are the other characteristics of one that has been artificially? One has been artificially deformed. Let's say, hey, hey, there are genetic anomalies out there, such as hydrocephalus, holopolis, holophrosencephylate. True.

Well, what you're going to find with some of those conditions is sometimes the heads are not even. These heads are symmetrical for the most part. Another critical thing that you're going to find with those types of skulls, ones that have undergone, gone, some type of, let's say, trauma. I don't mean if I knocked him over the head with a hammer, I mean artificial cranial deformation or, let's say, something that was from genetics, like PoloPers and Zeppoli, things of that nature, of that nature, you're going to find what's called wormyin bone.

Wormian bone is the big key in differentiating. a skull that has undergone trauma to get there, be it genetic or from those who are strange, meaning that was just in their genes to be weird looking. And that is the thing that we're talking about with the sesmoid, because the sezumoid indicates, hey, that was put there, body genetic, because the body was planning something with that joint.

It was intending for that joint to do a lot of growth. versus a skull who has wormy and bone. And I should mention that, wormy and bone, the difference between wormy and bone and a seismoid is that wormy and bone is often, it's haphazard, it's large, they're very large pieces of bone because they've been broken. A lot of stress has been placed onto the skull,

which has caused pieces to break off. and, if you will, create artificial joints. So, wormium bones are large pieces. They're not like sesmoids. Seasmoids are completely different. They're sesame seeds. They're very small. So you can see those differences.

When you're looking at skulls who have had external trauma or less than a genetic trauma, major feature is going to be the wormian bone. They have grown naturally, have just elongated themselves naturally. will have the seismoid, though. I got you. I think... Yeah, no, no. And I think you're, I'm following what you're saying.

So the schools you're looking at, especially with the sutures and everything, they look like they were going to expand into something else, like it was something in the code. You know, a lot of times people will say, well, they were just head wrapped, which is a whole different conversation. Who are they trying to copy when they're wrapping their heads the way they wrap them? But that's a different conversation. But one thing you'll find with, and forgive me, Doc, I'm not a scientist. But, and I've done a little bit of research on these skulls, is if it's wrapped, you can't change the volume of the head when you wrap it. It's still the same size head. You're just, you're changing the way it's elongated.

It's still the same size. But with these, and correct me if I'm wrong, they're much larger than a human skull. That is true. percent large, a lot of brains in these. And so are they different entities? I mean, you mentioned two different schools you're finding. Do you think it's just the way they're growing out, or do you actually think that these were two separate entities that you guys are finding?

Studied enough. I've seen those who grow superior, but I really have not had my hands on them so I can mess with a good looking over versus everything that I spent time with are now from the pictures that I've seen. From the pictures, they seem very similar. heads are going two different directions. That's what I see in images. But as far as put my hands on, I'm on, I couldn't really tell you.

Well, and before we get into the DNA and everything else on where, I think you and I are on the same page, but we'll get to the DNA in a second. Did the people of Peru ever talk about these people? Like, where did they come from? It would seem like if, let's say, for example, it was here in North America, we were finding them. The natives would have some sort of story about, yeah, these people, you know, these people, magically showed up one day, and did people Peru ever talk about, is there history about these skulls and these people? You know, everything that I understand, that would be a much better question for our

anthropologists and archaeologists, but from everything that I understand, these were seen as royalty, and all of their burials have been discovered with many theological anthropologists terminology, offerings of royalty. And they were looked upon highly. So these were highly revered people within their society. Yeah, and it makes me wonder where they came from, you know, because if you're looking at something with such royalty, you would think there would be a backstory on where they came from.

And everything I've researched about the Paraca schools is that they just kind of magically showed up one day. And no one really knows. really, it just seems odd to me. But you guys actually did DNA on these schools. What did you find? Well, with the DNA, it's odd because the DNA shows that there is a human mother. However, the paternal DNA shows there is no known reference on Earth.

So really don't know where he came from. That sounds very close to the Nephulam. the same type of storyline, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, you guys just, you know, I mean, when you're looking at a situation where you have, it just to look a little bit more into it, it's you're saying not to bring up to the Bible, but if we, when I remember about the DNA is that the mother had middle, well, the whole body taking place in the Middle East, that's ground zero for the Bible. And then we look at it and we find there's no known reference on first. I don't know. That raises a lot of questions. Where can come from?

And especially as you said, you know, with the Bible. Bible, and the Bible takes place all in the Middle East. I mean, did these guys just come down to Mount Herman and make them wise for themselves, and these that are offspring? Who knows? Yeah, it's bizarre. It's no effort to push it either way. It's just a really good question.

Yeah, and it's some of the Egyptians you look at. Who was I thinking of? I think it was Nefertiti. And when you look at pictures of Nefertiti or statues of her, there's something odd going on with that head. I mean, there's something. I believe her husband was, what was his name? Anna Naughton, or I'm sure some listeners going to correct me on that.

But even he had a weird look. Even King Tut, they all had this weird head structure. They look like aliens is what they look like. And a lot of the statues, they just look, and it's strange because they were royalty. And now you're finding these skulls in Peru. Why do you think that this isn't breaking news? Why do you think the media isn't, I mean, this is a major news story, you would think. Yeah, you would.

You would, but it's hard to iron anything out because we have to come together as a scientific community and say, okay, we're all finding the same thing. Well, now we have to ask more questions. We're all finding the same thing that takes it from hypothesis into theory. state. Not a law, but a lot of people, they're finding the same thing over and over again. So this has value. Now we need to start talking about this. And there's a lot of disagreement everywhere. I mean, we can't even agree that what we're looking at is natural. We're still at the stage where we're arguing whether it's artificial cranial deformation versus now. natural. There's a lot of evidence to show, in my opinion, that these are, these are natural.

I mean, cradle we've spoken. I also have to take into effect Wolf's Law is a physiological phenomenon that describes one as remodeled due to external forces. And so we know that if you push on a bone, long enough, it's going to change shape. However, there's going to be evidence. So we have that to look at. You're not finding it. Obviously, in that area, I'm sure you would find evidence of that with other skulls because what do we do today with rap stars? What do we do today with celebrities? People try and copy them. And that's where I think that cranial deformation comes from is they were trying to copy what they were seeing. My son's royalty, look at him. That makes the most sense to me that they would do that. But in these particular schools, you're not finding that. No. We have happened upon some skulls that we're running into some, we're anomalous. And we also, other than just nerds, they're plumbing as different. Like what? Give me an example. Like what?

Looking at the frame of magnum. To how far back that skull. Let me dumb this down from a hillbilly mind. So you're saying their neck is in a different place where it connects to the head because the head elongates. Is that what you're saying, Doc? That's really true. Yeah, they're very strange. Do you think this is anephalum?

And I realize you can't be 100% sure, but, or if you don't want to say that's okay. Yeah, my personal opinion, all the times you look around in history of everything with red hair, you know, I was a lot of people, but giant, socially, things with red hair for whatever reason. Ginger's, man, you've got to be careful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm just playing for all the Ginger audience listening. sure they're all tuning out now. No, I'm curious when you're digging these up, have you dug up any full bodies with heads on them?

Or is it mainly just the skulls that you're digging up? Are you finding anything else? I mean, are you guys finding, I'm so curious about these people. Are you finding culture? Are you finding, when you dig them up, is there anything that you're finding to where these weren't just freaks of nature that these were people of culture? These were people of, you know, they were just not outcasts from. society. You had mentioned royalty. What makes you think they were royalty? Well, I have not been everything that...

Yeah, it's just bizarre to me that it's not breaking news. You know, it's like you have to go to L.A. Marzuli.net, where you have to get your book, Doc, to actually get information on this. It's like no one's really... You would think this would be breaking news around the world, like, hey, we found these skulls. They're not human. We have DNA to prove it. I can share you the DNA to prove they're not 100% human. but no one's talking about it. I don't get it. Anywhere on Earth for 50% of our information.

Well, and it's bizarre, though, isn't it? I mean, I can go swab my mouth and send it off to 23 and me, and they can tell me exactly what my heritage is. Yeah, you guys go through and get the DNA on these skulls, and it's like, well, we got half the puzzle. I don't know what the other half of this is. And it makes me wonder, too, and I'll say this publicly, I think Melba Catcham, I know this is a separate issue,

but I think Melba Catcham with the Bigfoot DNA, I think she was run out of town a little bit too quick because I think she might have been onto something because she said very similar to what you just said about these skulls. The female side, the mother's side is human. The father's side, I have no clue what it is. I think she was run out too quick and I think that maybe people should stop and listen to what she said because she was a DNA expert. So, I mean, if you're going to listen to anyone, you're going to listen to her. her. And it's fascinating to me that they're pulling these skulls up in Peru and no one's talking

about it. I don't get it. I really don't get it. I mean, it's, I guess it's the way the media is going nowadays. It's like, just tell me the truth. Half of the time with the media, I'm like, just tell me the truth. I mean, no matter how crazy it sounds, I just want to hear the truth. I don't care, you know, don't give it to me lightly. Is the teeth, are they finding double rows of teeth in them or anything like that or are they just normal teeth so far normal teeth um but there's a lot more out there i know that the team in germany has found something but they are stating that bears defamation well i had ron morhead on the show and he he was talking about um he was given access to his school and he knows some guy and i'll hook you up with ron if you want to talk to him but

uh they put it under an x-ray x-ray machine to prove that it wasn't something man-made or a hoax or the sutures are different on the back of the head. The way the head grows almost isn't human. Yeah, it's very different. Well, when you're looking at the back of the head, the back of the head, actually, the lower portion of the back of the head actually comes out of the upper cervical complex. And the upper cervical complex consists of C1 and C2, and what you would call C-O, which is what gives rise to everything.

The entire skull comes from this area. Everything comes from there. It's kind of like the diligent location. Some of the condiles, you are not going to change the orientation. You're going to have to change the seat. I would almost like to see the body this head was on, because it would almost have to be bigger than your average human. Otherwise, it almost would be a super freak.

It would be like putting an adult head on a little kid. It just wouldn't. wouldn't match, in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In my monkey opinion. Oh, you're right. You are absolutely right. Because what is interesting is if you go all the way back when explorers are running around, just exploring things upon a mummy. That thing looks weird. Like the mother. And the head with the body.

Same situation. 33% larger perennial body. I mean, just a... Are the eyes bigger and everything else on these skulls? I mean, as, like, like, in your professional opinion, are the facial features and everything else very much larger on these things? Yeah, x-ray would be fine. Oh, CT, but we just need to see it. We just need to see the bones. We need to be able to look at each one of the bones in the neck,

better understand how it would look in life. Because, you know, when something's all dried out a couple of hundred, a couple thousand years old, It doesn't have the soft tissues, so it's not going to have the same shape that it once did in life. But if you were able to look at the individual joint and take it joint by joint, you could get a better idea of the shape that it would have when it was fleshed out. You get a better idea of its size, load-bearing capacity, things of that nature. I mean, all we have to go on right now is a really long. long noggin, a honking jaw, and some splayed-out condiles, which when I look at it does make a lot of sense for the elongation of the head to have the condals sitting instead of the P to A type orientation, more lateral, medial to lateral.

Not completely, but more. They're splayed out a little bit more. and that would make a lot of sense because you don't want your hand going too far back if you got a cranium that large. More tilting and perhaps even having a longer neck to compensate, and it would probably be pretty meaty, I would think. To balance a noggin like that, I would think that you would probably have some pretty large track. wraps, real thick neck, the upper cervicals on the spank would be incredible, let alone the lower cereals. You'd have to look at how the head and neck work together. You have a set of muscles very, very tiny, but they're large, and they are some of the most mechanoreceptively enriched muscles in the body. The only other place in the body that's second to it in mechanoreceptors,

which are called propore receptors at the low back. And our low back, well, it's pretty robust. If you look at it, just pop open Graves Anatomy, take a look at all the musculature that's down there. Now, if you go to the neck, you'll say, well, it doesn't look like there's that much, but there's a lot in the layers. And we go to the very top, the C1,

you've got these little strands called the rectus capitis posterior, and they do a cunt. Now, for humans, those are really, now if I look at these things with these really, really, really, really big heads, I would think that those would be significantly bigger because they have to deal with much greater forces. You're looking at a head that big and where it's going in space. So they have to process more information. Well, don't go too far this way. Oh, don't go too far that way. Now, you take that, and then you add on the muscles that are required to move it,

to actually move the motor unit. You start stacking on a lot of meat there, and it seems like it would be really big. I think it would be a longer net, not necessarily like a giraffe, but I think it would be longer, given what I see, typical condiles. And if I had an atlas to compare, and then we can start looking, if we had more of a neck, and we can get a better idea, build a better... Yeah, I hope you do. I would love to see the body this thing sat on,

although I kind of assume I already know what it sat on. I want to ask you, has anyone from the government told you guys to politely, could you guys shut the hell up about this as far as you're finding? No, not yet. Hey, may say, hey, you're finding out a lot about this. Maybe you want to come and take a... Yeah, so bizarre. And I know we talked a little bit about the Canthard Giant before we went on the air, but why don't you, I mean, I don't under, what's your take? Why isn't the media talking about this? This seems like one of the greatest discoveries of our generation, and no one's discussing it.

Yeah. You know, it could be that we're actually on to something. Yeah, that's true. That's kind of the way things go when something has, ignoring doesn't work, like making sense. What you're saying. Why not? Maybe they want to keep it quiet. You know, we're a bunch of nobodies just scratching their heads, like, what's this right here? Maybe it's this. Maybe higher levels of academia and research. There's behind them that probably, as you say, nobody's got a fast watch in their garage.

You know, maybe the government's got a couple of these things in this. Well, Dr. Warren, what's the difference between a normal human school as opposed to the size and these schools? What are the differences? Well, one of your biggest are looking at a skull. I was mentioning earlier, there's intelligence behind how the thing is. Find that it's missing somehow, the brain of magnum in front of it to be cranial deformation, cannot move the frame. The area of the upper cervical complex does not until way later in life, 18 years old or so.

And no one's 18 in a cradle board, okay? Nobody's mom is carrying them around on the back or holding them in a cradleboard. I'm not going to get cartilage to do a whole lot when you press on cartilage and just making the head and not wanting to go through with it. You need to get sore when you're young. It's your muscles or the center of your head. Trying to move. Not going to because you're not able to put those types of you later portion.

Now, going back into the bottom of the skull. One of the interesting things is that this area that is cartilaginous for a very long time that sits just in front of the Pheranine Magnum, the brain hole, it should, the front portion of it, or we should say the sides, really, because it's kind of going back at the diagonal. It's the Phramine-Lay serum. All right, so the Pheran-Lay-Serm is covered by cartilage, and it serves as a conduit for important nerve or arteries. some veins. These guys, for whatever reason, don't have it. Just like a Framing Ovali. Well, dumb that down for me, Doc.

I have no clue what you just said. So a frame and ovalee is another hole that's supposed to allow nerves and stuff to pass through there. So they don't have certain holes that we do. What they have, now, if you will, on either side of their brain, and it looks like, it just looks like a little ditch on either side that probably as a means of past, because again, they're set up differently. I got you. So you're saying it's more robust.

It's more robust on what we are. Yeah. Yeah. And so it has larger holes to run, I guess, larger pipes, larger nerves. I got you. The way that they've decided to set themselves up. little different than ourselves. It's real strange to look at.

And that's also another thing that makes you realize that, well, this isn't a product of fossilization or mineralization. Because it's something where to fossilize, let's say a tube, I'm calling a tube, an artery or a vein. It would be there. You would see it. I mean, there would be something, but it would be there. you said we're debuzzles. Oftentimes soft tissues do not. So oftentimes they're gone.

But these are openings. These are the only thing that we have that would be similar to it would be that other thing that I was talking about called a perine of like pherom. And it's called such because they look lacerated without its cartilage. So a cartilage, a little sheet of cartilage goes across there. Aude goes up. The only thing that I could rationalize is going on with these guys.

just have a really big one. Yeah, it's bizarre. So what you're saying is basically they are, they're not human. I mean, you're proving that they're not human. The piping is all wrong. A lot of things are all wrong for this to be someone who just wrap their head to make it look like to copy something. Everything is wrong. The guts inside this thing are wrong for it to be a human.

Yeah. That's really what it is. That's my hillbilly way of breaking down what you just said. Yeah, it's... Go ahead, Doc. But the other thing I just realized is that they have that little thing that I'm talking about,

that little piece that sits in front of the brain hole, that shorter. It's odd. It's shorter than ours. Even though they've got a much longer head in the A-D-P, the anterior or posterior, that little area is shorter. So it's almost like it's compressed.

It's almost like it's shorter underneath the skull. they're compressed in the A to B, even though when you look at them, they're longer in the A to B. That's another thing that just hit me. They are so strange. There are things that you see when looking at these creatures that cannot be done just by applying pressures. So the piping is all wrong. Holes are there.

Some holes are not there. You're not going to take away holes by putting pressure on the brain. I'm sorry, on the skull. You're just not going to do it. You can't add holes to something to the underside of somebody's skull. It's not going to happen. Yeah, and I've seen one of these things next to a human skull, and you're right about the eyes, too. I mean, even if you're going to wrap someone's head, I don't see how you make the eye sockets bigger.

I don't see how you make a lot of the structure of the skull bigger compared to a human head. It just makes you wonder where they came from. You know what I mean? If these really are the Nephilim or I don't even know. I don't even know where to go with that. And so, well, something that just hit me is that someone would say, well, that would happen because they're putting so much pressure on their head. They're causing increased intracranial pressures, making them bug-eyes. Because what you're going to find is that the bones, again, let's go back to Wolf's Law.

Wolf's Law tells us that bone is a crime fee. You're not going to affect it. You're not going to do something to it for a long period of time and not leave a fingerprint. So if that were to happen, it would be the much shallow. much more shallow orbit, meaning that the bone that lies behind the eyeball should be pushed forward. And that bone is called a phenoid. That should be pushed forward. Also, if you're going to add pressure to the head and become on bug-eyed,

how is that going to make them have thicker orbital ridges? Right. How is that going to give them a thicker jaw, more robust jaw? How is that going to happen? How is that going to change the orientation of the condials, the occipital condials? Why would they go from a P to A orientation to a more splayed out medial bilateral type? I have no idea what you just said, but I agree. I agree with you.

I mean, you're right. But when someone's bug-eyed, their eye sockets aren't bigger. The eye sockets are obviously bigger on this thing, and I just don't see how that's caused. It's just bizarre to me that no one, besides you guys looking into it, that no one's really, you think of as a scientist, man, I'd be rushing to this. I'd want to find out, I went ahead, Ron Morritt on the show, and they had put it on an x-ray. I was like, God, do you think scientists would be rushing to go take a look at this thing? And no one really is.

It's almost like they don't want to know what it is. And I guess I can kind of understand that because I hope it's not the nephalum, but I kind of think it might be the nephalum. That's my Heability theory, which means, you know, which is my two cents, which is worth about a half a cent. And it's just bizarre to me. The whole thing is just completely bizarre to me. But to pick up Dr. Warren's book, it's the expert analysis DNA results and go to

L.A.Marsuli.net to pick it up. And L.A. has got a bunch of cool stuff on there, actually. If you go to L.A.Marsuli.net, I know he has this watcher series. I've seen many of those. He's got UFO disclosure. He's got a lot of cool stuff. You guys are doing some really, and it's not just L.A., and I get that. It's a whole group of you guys. You guys are doing some great work. I appreciate you coming on, Doc, giving us kind of a, Dr. Warren, I appreciate you coming on and giving us kind of a breakdown of these Paracca schools, ma'am. Thank you so much. No problem. Thanks for having me.

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