Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:489 Two Strange Encounters

Episode Date: November 12, 2018

Does Sasquatch always attack? My first witness writes "I began hearing brush crack along with a foul smell that was similar to a skunk that was wet and sprayed with BO beside me, the cracking gradually moved ahead of me and then stop, I quickened my pace slightly and tried to block it out, but after I entered a small clearing I stopped dead as a large brown figure stood in front of me, I was around 5'9 at the time as I had hit a massive growth spurt and even then this thing dwarfed me in height, it had to be around 7-8ft tall and easily 500lbs without question, it looked me straight in the eye and made a short grunt and started to move towards me. I was frozen with fear…" My second witness had a very strange encounter he writes "I was out in the woods for four days camping by myself with my dog. I had a Sasquatch walk up on my tent, it made a sound like an ape or a monkey would make. I was terrified, the forest went silent like a switch had been flipped, there was no noise not even the insects. I don't even know how to describe what happen next. After it walked off I had a soft light appear inside my tent and start spiraling like a yin yang, I thought I was losing my mind."

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show planned for you tonight. Sunday night. Gosh, it's getting cold out there, isn't it? Scraping my wind chilled off. Seems like just yesterday I was complaining about the heat. Now I'm complaining about the cold. Can't make a guy happy, I guess. got a great show planned for you tonight. Thank you again for being here.

Going to be talking to Kyle. And Kyle comes to us from Virginia. And he had a very, when I say face-to-face encounter, he had a literal face-to-face encounter with one of these creatures. And it's always bothered him. But it might shock you to hear what the creature did as it approached him. Then I'll be talking to Ryan, who comes to us from New York. And Ryan was out camping. One of these things approached his tent. Made some strange monkey-like, sounds and then walked off. And what happened next is very odd. Then we'll go into that tonight. And I've heard this a few times, more than a few times, actually. If you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance,

please check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's get down to business tonight. Kyle, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me, Wes. Well, thanks for being here, man. I really appreciate it. And I know your encounter took place in Virginia on a property. Did it take place behind the property or on the property you lived on? Directly behind my house, past my backyard, went into these woods that, as far as I know, don't have a name.

I think it might just be, I guess, part of the neighborhood. It has a couple of things joining to it, like, a little bit. I know there's this. there's this old like shop that's up in there that my dad used to work but we know long have that but it's a good good size forest and stuff I mean it's it's easily three miles you know from this pond to the road and pretty far back there from my houses and there's probably overall walk from my houses easily a couple miles but all right cool I think I got a picture.

Well, tell us what happened. What were you doing? And walk us into what happened. What did you see? I had back there, had all my fishing equipment to this place. I love to go fishing. I just called it the Beaver Pond because they had beavers there, Beaver Dam. And something just something I always look forward to because it's very quiet, very peaceful.

Pretty kind of a little hard trek because it is kind of a little rugged back there in the first bit. But it quickly levels out. There's a couple ponds in there. There's a couple of dirt clearings, grassland. Overall, it would do with one. I was just had a head back there to do some fishing. Had some perch in there, some bass, large mouth, small mouth, some bluegill. And it was probably about, I said, stayed out there for a couple hours,

and it was probably about six o'clock when the sun was starting to set. And I was on, you know, probably be best to head back. I don't want to have to head back when it's too dark. I've made that mistake before and kind of got a little lost out there. But I had probably about a quarter of the way home when I really just got hit with, I smelled it before anything else. It was the best described, but mixed with kind of B.O. but the way I can describe it, it wasn't,

this is going to sound weird to describe it. You know how like a skunk smell? It's kind of like, it's so powerful. You can like feel it peak in your nose. I have no other way describing it. Yeah, I know exactly what you're trying. It's kind of like stinging. It wasn't as like that potent,

but it was overall, it smelled worse. And then off to my right, I'd say probably in the brush, at least 10 yards. I could plenty of wildlife out there. You've got deer, foxes, raccoons, all that stuff. But at this time, I'm not really that much outdoors, and can't really identify animals at this point.

And I just possibly a group of deer, possibly maybe moving through there or something. I think we even got a report of a long time ago, a black bear that had been through there. So I just passed it off, try to remain calm. I got to this little clearing. It's a nice, nice little, has a little grassland and has a little stream running through it. And pretty much, as soon as I entered this clearing, I was met by probably the biggest thing I've ever seen. Have really any hair on the, even back made me a wimp pretty much instantly.

I did not move, did not attempt to move, had just stood there. kind of just didn't know what to do. I asked myself, but I didn't think of it because it's kind of one of those things that even if you believe it, you kind of really don't believe it until you see it. And I'm fairly confident this thing would easily still dwarf me like I was nothing. My estimate's probably seven to eight feet tall, body size structure, muscular, lanky, kind of like that wouldn't be naturally like a kilo-neal, guess would be a fair comparison.

Tumbled upon it, it kind of gotlessly thought, well, this is it. This is the day I'm not going to make it. It seemed to kind of get out, not kind of like inquisitive. Okay, what's this thing that has entered, you know, my home? What is it what she's doing here? It kind of more, as time went on, I thought it was more kind of curious. Like, it was really trying to figure out, I guess, who or what I was. And when you said it moved closer toward you, what did you take a step?

It took a step. It took a stride forward, and my eyes widened. That just didn't come closer. But after a step, it kind of stopped. It kind of looked me over. It kind of looked me in the face. And this thing's eyes were fairly, fairly normal, really dark. kind of brown, not quite dark, dark brown, but I'd say probably like, I guess,

deep oak kind of color. This thing basically stared me down and it looked me over and it kind of reached out. And it, this thing, you know the part in between your, your pecks. Three times, this thing's fingers took up the whole. the whole little part. And they were firm, but they weren't hard. And it kind of made a kind of a grunt, like, who looked me over again.

And what I could really not bearing its teeth, pushed it with its bottom one. Kind of like if you were trying to smell your bottom lip, kind of looked me over and made this noise. It wasn't a yell, wasn't a roar, wasn't a scream. but it kind of looked like it peaked over me. Well, not

peak, this thing just looked right over me. I can't even describe the sound it made, but the best I could describe it is it kind of like was nodding its head as it did it. It stood there probably a couple more

seconds and it proceeded to walk past me to the little bit of force that was behind me into my right at least another minute until i really couldn't hear anything and i patted myself i looked around in disbelief of what had just happened to me and then i quickly continued my way home and i i never went out for a very long time it's it stuck with me even up until today i'm kind of nervous when going out in the woods alone.

I prefer to go armed now. Usually I used to just go out there and enjoy nature. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with being afraid, and it is always a good idea to go out with someone else beside yourself. I'm curious, this happened a couple years back when you were a lot younger. How tall were you at this time? Yeah, I was a pretty tall kid throughout. I hit a massive growth bird.

So I'd probably say estimates at 10 easily at that time. About the time I got out of eighth grade, I was already six foot tall and it kind of slowed down from that point. And probably say around that 5, 5'8, 5 foot 10 at the time. Yeah, the behavior really interests me, Kyle,

that happened to you in your encounter and how the creature came to you. There's an account from Alaska where a 12-year-old boy was out hunting and he was by himself and he stumbled upon these three creatures and they came up and surrounded him and he kept his head down looking at the ground the whole time and he was just standing there shaking and one of the creatures I guess growled and then later grunted at him and the three creatures walked off it sounds like it was you know his encounter and how close this thing walked up to you they sound very similar did you tell anyone about your

encounter? My girlfriend, a couple close friends. I haven't told anyone else because my mom, she doesn't believe in Sasquatch anything. She always sees it and she's like, oh, you know, that's make-believal, that's mythical. My father,

he he thinks there's something out there, but he can't really explain it. And I knew if I told him, he would simply look at me as like, no, you're joking. Don't be serious. But I pretty much kept it to myself.

I really didn't spread it to really anybody. Only people I knew wouldn't, you know, call me crazy or something. Yeah, no, I understand. I understand that completely. It makes me wonder why it wasn't aggressive. I think... First, but... Or go ahead.

Because there were a group of Rednex. They went around there. They tore the hell out of this little dirt clearing with ATBs. They fired rifles back there. I think it did. It probably thought maybe I was one of them, and it was like, okay, this is similar smell to what normally is out with the things that come out here. Maybe it's one of them. Let's get rid of them.

But when it, I guess it kind of realized or something, I wasn't one of them. And I wasn't doing what they did. So I guess it kind of went, well, okay, this isn't. But exactly who I was looking for, he's not moving. He's basically being submissive. I'm just going to carry on my way because at the time I was headed out. I think it kind of understood, I guess that's a kind of weird word to use for a creature, but kind of understood that I wasn't out there to cause trouble for it or anything out there.

I was just to kind of do my own thing away from everything else. Yeah, that's definitely an interesting take. You know, I was thinking more along the lines of, and you could be right on what you're thinking there. I was thinking more along the lines as, you know, this is a property you'd walked many times, probably since you were a little kid or ever since you guys moved in there. I know you had talked about beaver dams and seeing a lot of things as you walked around. It probably had seen you a million times. you guys came face to face and it probably knew who you were probably had seen you a couple times

and maybe that's why it wasn't aggressive they're not stupid i mean these creatures aren't stupid whatever they are one thing i tell you is they're not stupid they're they're they're definitely intelligent and i would not be surprised if it had seen me before because i had been back there plenty of times even when i was way younger if i was the house i grew up in i currently don't live there because I'm up closer to my mom to be with my little brother and stuff and my dad used to go back there, you used to camp.

And I knew of one thing that I do hear, like, the one thing I know I hear some people that kind of get is my dad said he went camping out there and he said he just was laying down

and just sort of, or like a big snort. And at first, He even told me, he was like, well, I thought, I thought, you know, he was like, I was freaked out for a bit. I thought, you know, South Coss was there. And then he was like, then I got the more thinking about it. And he said, that's a buck that had just stumbled up on me. And he was trying to figure out what I was.

And he basically told me that deer when they, if they stumble upon you and like they didn't know they were there, they'll snort real loud. And they'll be like a little bit of ways, but it sounds like they're right next to you. Yeah, well, he's right about that. But, you know, I think because this thing had snorted at you, or kind of a grunt, not really a snort, I guess you'd say more of a grunt. Is that how you would describe it? It's kind of like someone got your tension and I guess you wanted to like, I guess kind of just, like, it's kind of like something you would make when you shrug like here. It's like, oh, this is what it is. it's not really amused by like what's going on, I guess. I really don't know how to complain it, but it wasn't like, I'm annoyed you here because this thing's face kind of sort of stayed,

kind of stayed really, make really that many facial expressions. Yeah, well, I'm always curious about that grunt because I was talking about this on Friday night show with my guest and we were talking about it, you know, when these things grunt at, you. I don't think that's meant to be aggressive. Again, it's my own opinion. Take it with a grain of salt. But in a lot of situations, I don't think, I know when you hear a grunt, it kind of sounds like, you know, when you hear a human grunt, it almost sounds like they're irritated. I think it's different with these things. I think when they grunt, they're acknowledging you're there and you see them, you know, you see each other. And it's just their way of

acknowledging. Because almost every, I can't think of one situation where someone's talked about the thing running at them, and then they were aggressive afterwards. They always seemed to walk off afterwards. It's very strange. I would have to agree with you on that because I remember you saying one thing, and like if they growl, it's almost like they're doing it because they're scared or something. I think it's kind of in part with that, like, when they growl, they're like, what is this thing here?

I don't know exactly what it is, but whatever it is, I would. want it out. What's like, hey, I don't know what you are, but no, I'm here. I think the grunt is, oh, this is nothing really going to bother me. I'm here. I know you're here. And that's it. Yeah. And again, it's speculation, but it's interesting, especially when you can line up encounters of people retelling their encounters. And, you know, they talk about the grunts. And in a lot of situations, I think hunters view that grunt as aggressive. And I don't, don't think it's meant to be aggressive. If you would, would you describe kind of the face, kind of going to details on what you saw?

I mean, gosh, you were so close. It's a mix between, I guess, more, I say a human. I forget, I remember they did a, it was a reconstruction of one. And I think it was called Paranthapus. I think it's called they topped a skull of. They had supersized a, oh, what were they called? They were a type of caveman, but Neanderthal, they said they upsized the body, the paranthalus skull on it.

It kind of was more monkey, but it had human traits to it. It wasn't as wide and not overly wide. It had like a pretty good, good size mouth on it. its nose was definitely like a human nose but it was more kind of fleck like you could kind of see up the nostrils but it was kind of you also kind of couldn't

it was like kind of I guess semi-hitted I guess would be the word like a mix mash if you mixed with a human nose you kind of get this kind of odd but it didn't look out of place on this thing it looked normal

yeah and you mentioned it's facial expressions didn't change very much throughout the encounter, correct? Yeah, it was kind of back and forward, like, whenever someone's thinking, they kind of like mush, like, one side of their mouth up, and someone's switching their mouth back and forth, but nothing's actually in there. Kind of just get that. Yeah, it's hard to say. It's really hard to say.

It's strange. It came up and tapped you on the chest three times. Yeah, three. It's hard. Like, it was, it's basically like, Hey, you know, it thought I couldn't see it. I guess maybe, since I didn't move, kind of checking out, like, I guess, I wouldn't say this is probably doing, but it's kind of like, you okay? I wouldn't say that's what it was doing.

It was just kind of like. Right. It wasn't aggressive, though. It wasn't like a guy coming up and sticking his fingers in your chest or anything like that. No, it was just kind of like, hey, it was someone like one of the team just like, hey, you know, you okay? but a little bit more firm, almost like, it's like, yeah, I'm here. Just to let you know in case you didn't know, I'm here. Did it smell? Did it smell up close what you were smelling prior to seeing it?

Pretty much the same, but as it went on, the smell kind of dropped off. It was getting, even though it was right in front of me, the smell wasn't as quite as strong. almost like I glands I've heard they have it's almost like I think they said they do it like when humans around or like they're afraid or something they excrete it

and it's almost like oh well this this is I don't I don't need to guess do this anymore and they kind of smell it was still there but it was it was left as prominent and but that also could have been

the one that I had thought was also behind me that was kind of like kind of communicating with may have been also closer to me and that's why closer than I thought and that's why the smell earlier had been stronger as they were walking through the woods I guess oh I got you and so that's why you thought there was one behind you because you smelled that smell walking into this thing and and it also seemed to like when it looked like it was looking at something behind me and it went it kind of went it kind of was, looked like it was directed at something.

It wasn't just doing it to do it. Oh, I got you. Interesting. Did you hear anything behind you? At the time, I didn't absolutely nothing. Because there was a path I was walking on, and I hadn't heard anything come out the woods.

I hadn't heard anything. I just heard this. I heard the walking the brush. It died off. and then it presented itself. Yeah, usually where there's one of these things, there's always another one nearby. I'm curious, when it walked up,

were you able to see any sexual organs? Were you able to tell if it was male or female? I did not see breasts on its chest, so I would assume it was male. But at the whole time, I didn't do it down. I was looking at this thing kind of right in the neck, seeing the chef cow locked there. work down or...

Yeah, and that's understandable. Yeah, and that's understandable. I mean, you're kind of... It's that moment of shock, fear, and surprise. You know what I mean? And so you... Exactly. It's interesting because most people in those type of encounters,

they'll go into a lot of details about, like, the nose or the chest. It's usually, you know, and it's... Everything else is kind of fuzzy because they were so focused in on that. You know, and I think it's something in our brain that does that. I think you were smart not to really... do anything, you know, to turn it into a bad situation. That's a really fascinating encounter. I wanted to ask you, what do you think that they are? What do you think that these creatures are, if someone were to ask you?

Along the line, oh, they're primates, they're well-hominated. I personally believe they're the gray area. They are right in the middle between apes and humans. If you basically, a human made it with a gorilla, this is... is in supersized it, this is basically what it would be. It would be that gray line between truly human and truly an ape. Yeah, and I think traditionally that's how people have described this thing, somewhere between an ape and a man or a monkey and a man. You know, they called it the wild man, the monkey man, the devil monkey.

You know, natives had all kinds of names for them before we called it Sasquatch and Bigfoot here in the United States. But I would tend to agree with you. That's how most people describe it. Somewhere in between an ape, a non-human primate, and human. And that's basically what I saw. Fascinating. Let me ask you, have you ever been back to that property?

Or have you ever gone back out to that area where this happened? I have not been there since that incident because I had moved up by that time. Family issues happening. I moved back up. I moved up with my mom so I could be more with her and my little brother. I got you. I got you. Well, it's a fascinating encounter, and thank God it didn't do anything. You know, it's interesting to hear the behavior, because I have heard this behavior before, and not always do they attack. I think this thing had seen you before, and again, this is just my theory. I think this thing had seen you many times before, probably knew who you were, and knew you weren't a threat. You weren't going to do anything.

and so there was no sense in attacking you. But in the same breath, some of these creatures, that's irrelevant. They will attack you. And some of these creatures are, for lack of a better term, they're just, they're cool, they're relaxed. And I've heard encounters like that where they just kind of get up and leave and they're not aggressive, they're not, you know. So it's really hit and miss, but I really appreciate sharing it because it helps with trying to lay out behavior with these things, trying to understand the behavior of what they do and why they do what they do. You know what I mean?

Yeah. When I heard it, it kind of stuck with me and kind of, I guess, made me more afraid and think back of this. You said, I don't know what I think they eat people or kill people? Absolutely. And I wanted to know, do you think it's maybe more secluded to the more chimp-like ones and the, I guess, more baboon-like ones, than is the more Neanderthal and kind of Patty Patterson Sasquox? Do you think they're the ones that primarily do that? Or do you think they all do that?

Yeah, that's a good question. You know, anything I say is really speculation, because I don't know. The short answer is I really don't know. If one looks more human-like, because I do get those reports of them looking more human-like, more than an ape. And they do generally, they are not. I don't get quite as many aggressive reports from those or from the ones that look more like Patty. Generally speaking, I get less aggressive reports than I do when people start describing kind of like down in the south. They describe more of a chimpanzee-looking creature.

They're not as big and they are absolutely more aggressive. I think they all kill, to be honest with you. And I think that it really, I think it's more of a case-by-case basis. I think that it depends on the individual and depends on that particular individual. Because there's a lot of cases where these things just get up and walk off and just leave. Don't approach you. Don't do anything. And then there's other cases where they will charge you and come for you.

I've had many reports like that on the air. I also recalled you saying this lady had encounter and she heard like, I think her, you said her daughter had heard like people mumbling out then. you said, I think you said to her, if you hear someone, like it's people mumbling outside, you're probably okay, but if it sounds like there's two chimps like muttering about outside, you want to be careful. And I could just kind of, I guess, picture that if I was, if that was the case, I probably would not be here right now. Yeah, it's interesting you're bringing that up. Let me see if I have a little bit of that. This is from the Sierra Sounds. Ron head. And for new listeners, that's kind of some of the monkey chatter we talk about. Let me see what

I've got here. Let's take a listen to this one. But I think any chatter outside your window is bad for business. You know, I would advise someone to be very careful. They hear your any chatter. And this is more of, I guess, what we call the monkey chatter. I know within the Sierra Sounds collection, there's a thing called the Samurai chatter. And that sounds more like a language to me. It sounds like they're talking back and forth. This just sounds more like a wild animal. Let's take a listen to the last one here. Well, that's about the most disturbing thing we've ever heard.

You know, Kyle, when I say, you know, if you hear mumbling outside, you know, it's probably these. A lot of that's just speculation. That's just me guessing. And it's no more than that, because I don't know. I do think, I believe that the ones that do look more human-like, you'll get more of that samurai chatter. It sounds more like a language than you will necessarily with ones that are like this. You know, these right here where it's more, sounds more like a chimpanzee or two monkeys talking back and forth. But they could all do it.

You know, they absolutely could all do it. And at the end of the day, I'm just guessing. And that's why it's so important for guys like you to come on and share your encounter because we learn behavior. We learn kind of what they do and why they do it. And until we have a body or it's proven, there's really no other way to go about it. But I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your encounter and talking about. what happened to you. Thank you again. No problem. Thank you for having me. All right. All right, all right. I want to give a shout out to Rob Nichols from the UK, Grant Pound Road, Cornwall. And your daughter sent me a

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But I'll give you the stage to kind of tell us what you were out doing and walk us into what happened. Okay. Yeah, thanks so much, Wes. Yeah, it's a quiet night in Brooklyn night, man. I just fed the dog and cat, and everybody's happy. But yeah, so I basically, I wanted to get out of the city and take my dog into the woods for five days. I mean, I'd have to say I was inspired somewhat by, you know, listening to your show and a few things. I remember something that stood out that people were saying that, you know, you don't have to go too far. out into the city or I'll go too far out to find these things, you know. And, uh, and I was like,

wow, you know, I kind of wanted to test this theory a little bit. And I had heard rumors that, you know, there had been sightings in Kingston, New York, uh, in upstate New York. And so, um, you know, and I, it wasn't the main, the main reason for me going out wasn't like, oh, I'm going to go out and find bigfoot. Like, you know, and the, the, the number one reason was, I was like, you know, I want to get out of the city, take my dog. It's the summer, you know, it was June or July. I think it was, and I think this happened in July. And I just wanted to get out of the city and take my dog out and just, you know,

spend, you know, five days in the woods with my dog and be alone with my brain for five days, you know. So I packed up, so I didn't have a car at this time. I have a car now, but at this time I didn't have a car. I just bought a bunch of, like, food and gear. and I loaded, I have paniers on my bike, you know, in a rack on the back of my bike. So I just loaded up, I took my hiking pack, my backpack, you know, or my, you know, my sleeping bag, all my gear and just strapped it to the back of my bike. And then I have a basket on the front.

I have a little 20-pound dog that's a terrier dogson mix, I named Sophie. So I put her in the front basket of the bike. And I probably looked like, you know, I probably looked like a crazy person biking out of, you know, you know, Brooklyn into Manhattan to Grand Central Station, you know, like, but I know that I was like a scene, you know, my big, you know, mountain bike with all of my gear and my dog. But I was a spectacle for sure. But so what I did was I took the train from Grand Central and I went two hours north to a sick to the last stop. And I won't say what park I was in, but it's, it's 20, I believe it's 20, around 2,800. acres where I went. And so I went two hours north, and from there, I biked another 10 miles. And I won't say which direction, but I biked another 10 miles and took me to a park. And it was like this, you know, I mean, it was beautiful.

The weather was amazing. It was like, it was sunny, and it was like, you know, breezy, light breeze. And for the whole five days, it was like that. The weather was perfect. and it was a pretty arduous bike ride to get there. It was pretty much straight up. Some parts I had to like walk with all the gear. I had 70 pounds of gear in my dog.

So like some points I had to walk up my bike up these hills because it was just straight up. But that eventually led me into 10 miles later. It had led me into this. It turned into a dirt road and it went into this like kind of a nice park reserve area or a natural park. And as I'm going in, as I was telling you, I saw these no pet signs. And I'm like, what? I'm like, are you serious?

I'm like out in the middle of nowhere and there's these no pet signs. And so I got a little nervous about that. And I came upon this lady who was walking three dogs. And I'm like, you know, what's up with these no pet signs? Is this for real? Like you have three dogs here, obviously. And she was just like, oh, yeah, don't pay attention to that. It's like no big deal.

And this is like a little foreshadowing. But she said, you know, and we reached out it a little bit. We had some small talk, but she ended up saying, you know, it's really funny. This is a really beautiful park, but nobody ever comes here. And so, you know, that kind of like stayed in the back of my mind. And so I biked on with the dog. And I found a field.

I had so much gear. You know, I had my bike. I had all this heavy gear. So my plan was to find a field, like, I found a field and set up my camp. And then I would spend the next five days, like, doing day hikes. And so I found this, like, nice. grassy area with some shade and set up my camp. And what happened was, and I didn't tell you this in our original phone call, but what happened was is I forgot to bring coffee. I didn't bring any coffee.

So the first day and a half was spent me laying on the ground. And anybody that knows this that drinks a lot of coffee that doesn't have caffeine is you have like an insane like withdrawal from like not having caffeine. So I spent the first day and a half basically laid out on the ground next. to my tent, you know, trying to, like, take naps and, like, wear off this caffeine headache I was having. The next three days was spent my dog and I were doing basically six mile, you know, six to seven mile hikes to doing day hikes. But, you know, and that's not that long for a day hike, but this area I was in was extremely rocky. The forest was really dense. And this time, I told you on the phone call, like, at this time, it was, I mean, it was literally raining caterpillars.

I couldn't put my elbow down or step somewhere where I wasn't squishing a cat. I mean, there were caterpillar. It was raining caterpillars. And there was either millipede or centipede. I think it was milopedes. There were milopedes everywhere. It was just beautiful. The weather was gorgeous.

But the, so the first three days, we were doing six to seven mile hikes. It was, you know, it was kind of like rainforest. It was beautiful. And along these hikes, I was finding like these really big piles of, of like hairy scat on the rocks. And I was just like, this, this is like the weirdest poop I've ever seen in my life. Because it was so thick, it was almost like it was a hairball. It was so thick.

And you know, I'm like, oh, okay, like, I don't know what that is. That could be from anything. And so on this one particular hike, I hiked deeper in. And we were probably like three and a half to four mile mark. And I was, you know, going by my time on my clock, like how far to gauge my distance. And I get to one point where we get into this super dense forested area. And there are these two, two and a half inch diameter, you know, skinny trees going up on either side of this path. And about, you know, eight to 11 feet up, you know, there are these like, they're, their branch twists on either side of the path.

Like, it was almost like a gate almost. And there were no other trees like that. It was just on this path at this point. And also at this point, I started to get. and feeling like I was being watched. Like I felt like, it felt heavy. Like, you know, when you get that heavy feeling. And I kind of looked, I looked at soap and I was like, all right, like, I think this is a good point to turn around.

You know, it's a little early. It was probably like 3.34. I was like, it's a little early to turn around. But I think this is a good place to turn around because I'm feeling a little weird in this area. And so we turn around. We hike back. And, you know, each night, I'll get back to camp like around. six would bathe in the creek close by and then cook dinner and then you know my dog and I would go

to sleep the dog was sleeping in the tent with me so on the third night I was planning on staying there five days so on the third night um at around 1230 at night um I wake up at 1230 at night and my dog is laying in the tent with me and she's growling and I look at her and she's growling and Now when she's growling under her breath and she's like shaking, she's convulsing, like, uncontrollably. And I'm like, what was going on? And the forest was alive. Like the forest was so loud with birds, with insects. Like at night, it was just like a cacophony of like, you know, the forest was bumping.

And I'm looking at Sophie. And then all of a sudden the forest just goes completely like dead silent. You know, just how I've heard other people have said. It goes completely silent. But you can hear a pin drop. and I'm like, oh man, like in my heart starts to sink a little bit and I'm laying there. You know, I don't have any weapons or anything. Just me and my dog.

And I hear footsteps coming towards the tent. And so I'm like, oh, great. And so I'm, I'm, my dog's, as my dog's growling and shaking, I'm gently like put my hand on her nose. And I'm like, Sophie, I'm like just don't, I'm like whispering her. I'm like, don't bark, man. I was like, please don't bark. and so and because I was I was actually more afraid for her than for me you know like I was like the worst thing they could happen to me is watching something bad happened to my dog like I was

yeah I'm the same way than for myself yeah I'm the same way I really was yeah exactly so I can't imagine anything any bad happening to her but um so I basically am in like at this point in a dry sweat and I am so afraid like I've never been this afraid in my life like in survival mode, super afraid. And I feel like at this point, like you either, like two things either happen. You either have a freak out and you go hysterical or there's this kind of like point where you like go beyond the fear and you come to this kind of vulnerable like you give into it. And that's what I did.

I didn't, you know, I just, I laid there and I was like, you know what? I'm completely vulnerable. Whatever's going to happen is going to happen. and and I was like, and I'm okay with it. And I became extremely calm. And then, and at that point, I said, and I also asked God to put a protective shield over my tent right now, like, oh, to protect me. You know, I asked for protection, like a protection force field. I kind of visualized it.

I hear the footsteps come up. And it's like, it sounds like eight or ten feet from my tent. And I can hear breathing. And this breathing, man, was like, it's like hearing a set of lungs inside of a 50-gallon drum. It's like, the capacity of the chest was bananas. I was like, I never heard something breathe like this before. And then all of a sudden it goes, it lets out a gorilla-like sound.

And it was like, like, really fast. It had like those in-breaths. So like that's what was really bizarre to me. Because I had never, like, I was like, man, I don't think that's a bear, man. Like, I don't think a bear makes that sound. But at this point, also, I didn't feel like it was threat. I didn't feel threatened, like actually hearing it. And then the other weird thing that happened also is that, you know,

I'm in my tent with my rainfly on my tent so I can't see out of the screen. But the other weird thing that happened was I was in survival mode. And I had never experienced this before, but I couldn't see it. But it was like my auditory senses were so sharp. And they started to like kind of 3D map it in my head. So it was like mapping out these. legs in this giant chest. And that's about as far as it went up, you know, in my mind. This thing, it comes in, and it happened really quick. It came in and made that sound. And then like the Doppler

effect, it just went, and it got quieter as it like went off in the distance. But the wild thing was, is that I never heard its feet. I heard it walk into the camp, but I didn't, it's like it went into stealth mode. And it, it, it, I didn't hear its footsteps as it ran off at all. And, and then what was wild man is the forest slowly it's like the level of the forest started to like slowly come back up and the sounds of the forest started to replace it like started to come back alive again with all the insect and bird sounds and then off in the distance i could hear and prior to this i had heard owl sounds i didn't mention this but a couple nights before i'd heard real owls like i heard owl sounds they're beautiful and on this night that this happened I heard one make an owl like a fake owl sound. And then I heard another one with a different voice, you know, a different sounding voice or different pitch. Make another fake owl sound back. Like there was a communication going on.

And then as I, as I laid there in my tent, I'm staring at the roof of my tent. And this is where it got really weird. You know, that was, and I'm like, and I'm laying there, I'm like, okay, like, this is all stuff I've heard on, you know, the Chronicles show. like this is all real, man. I was like, this is wild. And I wasn't expecting any of this to happen. You know, I didn't, I was like, oh, it would be cool to maybe experience something like that. But I never, in a million years, was expecting, like, this all to be, like, real for it to happen on me, on my trip, you know.

And then the other thing that happened was that was super bizarre is that this light started, this light appeared like about a quarter size above my head. and I'm staring at the root. This happens at the roof of my tent. I'm looking at it. And I'm like, am I really seeing this? And it starts to spiral. And it's in the shape of a ying yang.

If you can picture the colors like a, like a dirty yellow with brown and orange in it, where like the darkest part of the yingang was like a darker yellow, you know, brown, orangish color. And then the lightest part was lighter than that. And it was a perfect swirl like a yin yang.

And it started, it was spinning. But it didn't have the circles in it. You know, It was like a yinyang minus the circle that just had this swoosh in the middle. And it started spinning. And then, and I'm like looking at this thing and I'm like, what the hell is that? And then the other weird thing that happens is the portal starts to fade out or the shape starts to fade out.

And then it's like an index card. It's almost like it's like, it like went future. It was like a future movie where like a screen is floating in front of somebody and they can like touch the screen and do things. But it's like floating in the air. This is what it looked like. And then there was a square like index card size thing that flashes. And it shows an illustration of a UFO downloading into a black flashing white and black dot. And it downloads in this dot.

And so I'm like, what in the hell was that? And so I'm laying there. And my brain response to it like, you just received a download. Like automatically, it was like, you just received a download. I was like, I don't know what that means, but I was like, okay, sure, you know. And so, and I didn't tell you this in the phone call, but so all this happens, you know, and this is all really weird stuff. You know, it's weird for me to even talk about.

And I feel like I'm one of the most normal people. I know, even though I'm an artist, I feel like I'm a pretty normal person. So after all this happens, the other funny thing that happened to me that I didn't tell you about our previous phone call was just to put icing on the cake was, I had, this is a really dumb move, but I had all of my food, and I had Sophie's dog, dry dog food in a Ziplog bag underneath my rainfly. And all of a sudden, after all this happens, like, within like a couple minutes, you know, and it's basically like my arm is almost on top of the dog. It's under the rainfly, but it's like my arm is like right next to it. And something pulls the dog food out from underneath the tent.

And here it gets pulled out from underneath the tent. And I'm like, oh, shit. And I'm like, oh, God, I'm like, it's back. And I hear the bag tear open and I hear and then I hear it pull out one of my paniers, one of my biking bags, and it starts rifling through my panier bag. And I hear it eating some more. And I'm like, okay, I'm pretty sure that's a raccoon.

And so, and then I hear it, I hear it lapping up Sophie's water out of her water dish. And so in the morning when I wake up, I see the dog food bags, you know, splayed out with dog food on the ground. And there's like a bread, there's bread like, you know, all over. I'm like, oh, yeah, I must have been really thirsty because it just ate like half a bloke of bread and try dog food. But on top of the, all the, that was some comic relief on top of the, all the other, all the other wild stuff that happened.

Yeah, all the weird stuff. Yeah. I hear you. Yeah, and it's uncomfortable, you know, it's uncomfortable for people to hear what you're talking about. But I've heard, believe me, I've heard, I mean, this is a walk in the park compared to some of the things I've heard off the air. And there's something to, the one part that really fascinates me about your encounter, is a light. Because I had, and I've talked about them many times, and I'm hoping one of the brothers will come back to the show. There's other things going on in their life to where that's the reason why they haven't come back on. And I talk about the two brothers that, you know, saw the woman in white, and they started out, you hear him in the intro of the show, you hear the two guys talk, and one of them says, grab a gun, grab a gun, grab a gun. And the other brother is the first brother that talks, I believe it's Mick, where he says he saw this black thing go from left to right and he thought he was going to die out there. Well, I had spent months with these guys talking to these guys, and they were convinced,

they even sent me pictures. And if you look at the pictures, they look like gorillas in the brush. I mean, they got some good pictures. But what's interesting is I got to talking to them, they didn't really want to share the strange, the weird things that were going on. And I'm not really sure why, but when we started really talking, one of the things they said that made me think of your encounter, he had mentioned, actually both brothers said, he told me this on two separate occasions. They weren't together when they told me this. They had seen these balls of light spinning, almost like the yin-yang you're talking about. And he said they would spin, and they were little balls of light, and they would spin.

And both brothers, I think one of the brothers used a term. He said they looked like the Sasquatch were in a trance, like the light would light them up. You know, it would be a real soft ambient light around the Sasquatch, and the Sasquatch looked like it was in a trance. You know, there's a many things strange that those guys told me I haven't even talked about on the air. But that's fascinating that you saw that. You know, and I saw a ball of light. I can't tell you what it is.

But this type of encounter is very uncomfortable for a lot of investigators to talk about or a lot of Bigfoot researchers to talk about because, and I use a researcher in a very loose term, they will say, well, Sasquatch is nothing more than an ape. So they'll pass off all this other, you know, like your encounter or their brother's encounter. They would pass all that off as, and it doesn't do the, you got to listen to everyone. even Dr. Bennernegle who was like it's mumbo jumbo or something. Yeah, like it's mumbo jumbo. And it's like, you know, I even had Dr. Benernegle who was actually a real scientist. You know, he told me the complete opposite. He said, no, have them on the show.

Have the weird stuff on the show. Until you find answers to what this thing is, you've got to hear everyone out. And your encounter, there's a lot of the little things to your encounter that I know to be true just because of other people I've talked to. this is a while. I mean, it probably sounds strange to the audience, but to me, this is normal. I've heard things way stranger than this. This is nothing. And it concerns me a little bit. It really concerns me on what it is we're chasing. Wait till episode 500, when Les Strout opens up. You'll be shocked. You know, you and I've talked about it off the air, but a lot of people are going to be shocked on what he had to say.

What do you think the light was? What was your personal opinion? on what that light was. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, well, the other thing, well, that I talked to you about on the phone was, you know, I kind of felt like I needed some answers. And I didn't know who to talk to about this, you know. I was like, who, like, what is going on? Like, how do I, who do I talk to about this? I had been talking to this lady. She's world renowned, actually.

She's a spiritual advisor. And at the end, the reason why I started talking to her was because I had been going through some emotional stuff because at the end of 2016, I had my best friend and my mom passed away within a month of each other. And so I was going through some hard stuff and I had been seeing weird things, lights in the sky, like all this stuff that I was like, okay, like I need somebody to talk to and I can't talk to, you know, like a psychologist about it. I didn't feel like I could. And so I had done my research and I had found this renowned woman who I watched on interviews and she seemed very legit. And so I called her and obviously we didn't talk about this encounter on the first time we talked or the first time I talked to her. It was probably like the third time I had talked to her on the phone. I brought it up to her and she was super fascinated by it.

And this particular woman that I talked to, you know, she's her title was like a psychic healer. but I know some people will like have a hard time with that but it's you know I mean it's been scientifically proven that we're all 100% energy you know and like we we are energy you know and like so the work she does is basically like all our organs everything inside of us is energy so like she works with that to like help heal people it's like her main focus but I had uh I had over our phone conversation I told her what had happened and she she uses what she calls guides to um to She had spiritual spirit guides basically that help instruct her, tell her what's going on. So she's like, let me ask my guides about what happened to you.

And I was like, that would be amazing. And so because this stuff is bizarre, like they're like, you know, you need to go to these sources to like find out. You have to go to these sources to find out about these things because nobody else is going to tell you about them. So she asked her guides about it and she said, well, what they're talking about. telling me is basically that that yin yang light shape that was you know circling above your head was a portal it's some type of portal and as far as like the uh index card you know flash with the the UFO down she was like

you basically received a download you were um those that she was like that download was meant for the bigfoot in the area like that download was meant for them it had something to do with their migratory path is what she said she was like They couldn't really say more than that because that was all the information they were giving her. The download was, she said, the reason why I saw it was because I just happened to be camping in that area when these, when these beings were moving through there. That's how she explained it to me. And so like that, you know, I mean, you know, I was like, okay, like portals and downloads like a migratory path. Like I was like, wow.

Like I You know I was like okay Like that That at least explains a little bit You know Of what Of what it was about

Yeah Like that gave me a little bit Of comfort You know Yeah and I would be careful Of spirit mediums I understand what you're talking about I understand why you went to the woman

I think sometimes And this is my own personal opinion I'm gonna sound like a dick saying it But No not at all I think some of them are either Tricksters And they're

It's nonsense and sometimes when they do speak, it's in half-truths. And it makes you wonder, who are they speaking to? Who are these spirit guides she's speaking to? That's what I'd like to know. And so you've got to be careful sometimes talking to them. But, you know, I probably shouldn't even have said that. But I'm just leery sometimes of people like that.

Yeah, I'm leery of priests too. Or people who claim to be holy men. I'm very leery of them. But I understand why you went to them. Because, I mean, who else would you talk to about this? It's very odd. It's very strange. And she could have been 100% right.

I don't know. You know, I'm not arrogant enough to sit back and go, well, she was wrong. Because I don't know. Yeah. You know, it sure is odd when people run into Sasquatch, generally speaking, in the same areas, are run into these weird lights that no one can explain. I said a gentleman on Friday, he was talking about the weird lights. And he said, when this light showed up, everything went quiet.

The whole forest went like it's like someone flipped a switch, turned everything on. And there was no sound. And this light shows up. So I hope it's not some form of deception. You know what I mean? As far as I'm just leery sometimes. You know, sometimes with these Sasquatch, I've heard so many strange stories, man. I won't bore you with them.

But it's odd because I look into the alien, the whole alien phenomenon that's going on. And you'll find a lot of strange correlations between the two. You know, it's like you hear some of these people, you can call them crazies or whack jobs or whatever, they'll come back and say, well, you know, Sasquatch, they want us to be more, show more brotherly love towards each other and save the planet. Sounds like your great message. Sure funny, the aliens have the same message if you hear people who talk about that. So it makes you wonder a little bit about what's going on here. Are we all, is it all kind of presenting itself in different methods or different forms? You know, is it deception?

I'm just leery of stuff like that. I'm not saying your encounter's not true because I believe you 100%. I'm just a little worried about what it might have actually been. You know what I mean? Sorry, man. I probably came across like a complete dick right there. No, no, no, not at all. I mean, it's like, you know, I mean, if you're dealing with stuff that seems really out there,

that, okay, I'm dealing with a factual, like what I'm saying happened is a fact. Like that, that happened. And so when you're doing stuff that's like that far out, like you kind of have to go to like some far out people that work with, you know, a spirit world or energy to find out to find out about far out stuff, you know. It's hard to argue that. Yeah. It's hard. Yeah, I said it's hard to argue what you just said. It's hard to argue that, you know, against that.

You're absolutely right. Right. You know, who do you go to? You're not going to go to a doctor or psychologist and be like, hey, man, I saw a flashing yin-yang. my tent and a, you know, an index card, you know, and I saw a UFO download. And like, they're going to be like, they're going to be like, hey, man, take two of these. Right. They're like prescribed some. They're going to medicate you up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's true, man. I mean, I mean, honestly, man, I do think like, I think like these, like these, like these, like these saskwash, I think their,

their main job, man, is to protect our force, to be honest, man. I think that if they were benevolent, cuddly teddy bears, man, they'd be, they'd be mounted on people's walls like bearheads. And if they weren't nasty every once in a while, like, you know, to protect our forests, then we'd, I feel like we'd all be living in deserts by now, man, because all of our forests would be cut down probably. So I think, like, maybe their function is to, like, is to keep people a little afraid and to, like, keep them out of cutting down all of our forests. I mean, if you look at our history of like Easter Island and all these places, all these people, like, they cut down all of their trees, you know.

So, I mean, to me, that could be a major function that they serve, you know. Yeah, you could be right. You could definitely be right. I wanted, would you recount the story of the, I know you and I talked about less drought, how he had, you and I talked about the UFO he had seen and how big it actually was. And you were telling me about a UFO that you saw. Would you mind sharing it? And if you don't want to, it's okay. No, no, no, I totally open to share it.

So this was at the end of 2016. It was about my folks live in North Carolina. And so I was in North Carolina at the time. And I was on a highway one north heading towards Raleigh to pick up at the time she was my fiance and I was on my way to pick her up at the airport and I think her flight was getting at around 10.30 p.m. And so I left the house at around 9.30 because it took an hour to get to the airport. And so I borrowed my stepdad's car and I was driving on Highway 1 North and the radio station was awesome. There was this DJ playing all this.

old 90s music. It was great. He was playing like Allison Chains, smashing pumpkin. It was all this all like throwback 90s alternative music. It was amazing. The night was, it was a really nice night. And anybody familiar with how I went North North Carolina, it goes, it's pretty much

like a straight line to Raleigh. And it's all really tall pines that you're basically on a road with tall pines that hug the road. I'm sorry. That's all right. dog's doing its job protecting the house.

Exactly. And so, so I'm heading on Highway 1 North. It's a 70 mile an hour highway. And I have the windows down. It's a really nice night. And it's a purple, it's like a purple sky speckled with stars.

I mean, it's just a beautiful evening, a beautiful night. and up in the sky, the head of me, first of all, just like classic scenario, my radio, the radio is playing crystal clear the whole time, and at a certain point, the radio starts cutting on and off, like static, like cutting on and off, going in and out, and I'm like, oh, that's weird. The radio is playing great the whole time, now it's acting weird. and then I look up ahead of me and in the night sky and the purple sky I see two orbs kind of like dancing next to each other like one's bobbing up and up but they're way way off in the distance like way off in the distance and I'm looking at them and I'm like that's bizarre and I'm trying to place what they are and I'm like it's definitely not a helicopter that I was like they're definitely not helicopters because they're moving so smoothly and I'm like oh man

I was like there's definitely not airplane because they're in a fixed position but they're bobbing up and down next to each other. And so I'm like, well, that'd be crazy if those are UFOs. And I was like, and as soon as I had the thought, as like, what's even crazy? I was like, what would be even crazier is if they came a little closer so I could see one. And as soon as I had that thought, man, the right one, the right, the light, it drops, it starts to drop. And it starts to, like, it looks like it's coming closer.

And I'm like, holy cow. And I'm sitting there, man. And I'm like, is this really happening? And so, you know, I'm going like 70 miles an hour. It's only me and one car in front of me on this highway. And as this light starts getting closer, and it was like the time elapsed was like hard to judge because it's basically a spotlight coming, moving at you.

And the only thing that's happening is like the aperture of the light, you know, it's like opening, it's just getting a little bigger and like small, you know, fragments, like getting bigger as it comes closer. and so it's kind of hard to judge where it is, you know, in the sky. But it's at my one o'clock at a certain point, you know, as it's getting closer, I'm staring, this is all happening at once. I'm staring at my cell phone on the dashboard and I'm like, I'm like, take a video, take a video, take a video.

And then I'm like, and as this thing's coming closer, we're going from 70 miles an hour to 60 miles an hour down to 45 miles an hour, 35 miles an hour. Pretty soon, man, we're going five miles an hour. miles an hour and this thing this light is at my one o'clock it is so close i could have thrown a football at it and so and i'm so at this moment if you can imagine this i'm on a highway okay i've got all these things going on i'm staring at this light i'm trying to pay attention to the car in front of me so i don't hit the car in front of me and i'm thinking about grabbing my cell phone and my legs are shaking because i'm i'm beside myself i'm you know freaking out i'm excited i'm nervous I'm all of those things, all those emotions in one.

And all of a sudden, this thing, it turns sideways so that I can see the whole belly of the craft, and it's a perfect rectangle. And I would estimate that it was two car lengths wide, two, two and a half car lengths wide by probably like five car lengths long. And if you can imagine like a shipping container, the whole bottom of this thing looked like a striations like a shipping container and had intermittent lights on the bottom of it.

And this thing turned sideways. See the whole belly floating rectangle. Okay. Perfect rectangle. It looks like a giant floating piece of like, you know, like in construction when they pour those slabs and you can see the slab. It looks like this floating slab of, you know,

this shipping container metal. And it, man, it, it, it, it hovers across the highway over us, over the other lane. And it just, in West, this thing looks like it's, it looks like it's moving underwater. Like, there's no propulsion system. There's no, I don't even see like a glowing ring around it of anything to show that it had any kind of propulsion system. And this thing floated right over the tree line. And what's interesting about

this area is that it's, it's in a nuclear, there's a nuclear plant to the, to my, it would me to my right. There's nuclear plant. And there's all these signs. And I always get these weird vibes when I drive down this road in a certain area. And there's all these no parking signs along this highway in a certain section. And yeah, man, this thing just floated effortlessly over the tree line on the, you know, on the other side of the road. And just out of eyesight. And I'm sitting there. And I'm like, I look at my cell phone and I'm like, I just, I was like, I started like, I was just like hitting my forehead. Like I just lost the best Instagram video. of my life and I didn't take, you know, I started kicking myself that I didn't, I was so

transfixed and it all happened so fast. And then what happened next was we, myself and the car in front of me started to speed up. And I had to exit in like the next 20 or 30 feet. I had to take my, take the exit to the quick pass. And the car in front of me just started flashing their lights vigorously. And I just started flashing my lights vigorously back at them as I started to exit. And, you know, a lot of my friends like tease me and give me a hard time. Our friends that I told this story to say, man, I can't believe you didn't like pull over and talk to them and this and that. And I was just like, man, I was so freaked out.

Like, I couldn't get out. I was like I was beside myself of that moment. I felt like us flashing our lights back and forth was enough, you know, because we had shared that wild experience together, you know. Yeah, and it is terrifying. I mean, it is a strange experience. It's like I was telling you before we went on the air and I mean, it's coming up on episode 500.

I'd ask Les Stradwell, it was the strangest thing he had seen. And he talked about this UFO being the size of a mall, just hovering. Oh, yeah. Now, here's a guy that what he does for a living is he films. He's got like a million cameras, and he films. And he goes, Wes, I sat and watched this thing for five minutes. You think I'd pick up a camera and film it? Never happened.

And so I understand, you know, having your thing on the dash. I think that's your normal human response is you're in such shock and awe. Did it make any noise or anything as it came over the top of you? None. Zero. It was so quiet. It didn't make any noise. That was so beautiful about it.

The movement, I mean, the movement and the, it was, I mean, it was definitely an answer, you know, you could say either way, pro-gravity or anti-gravity. It was definitely that kind of technology, you know, I felt like that for sure. And I'm not saying that I saw, you know, something from outer space. I mean, it could be military. It could be military technology. Like, I don't know. You know, because I didn't see like little men or, you know, little gray men or anything.

I'm just saying that what I can sit here and tell you as a fact is that I saw this, you know, that close to me, float across the sky as a fact, you know. That's terrifying, man. And I'm not saying that, yeah, it's really wild. Yeah, it's really bizarre. You're right. It could have been our military. It could have been. But then, you know, if you drill down on that, where did they get that technology? Where did they come up with that? And, you know, so it really makes you wonder, that's fascinating, man. I'm really glad you shared that. I love UFO encounters. I think they're fascinating. I think they're more fascinating than Bigfoot encounters by every means. But, you know, it makes you worry a little bit, too. Is it all connected? You know, it's like when you talk about the lights, you know, that light. appearing above you. That's not the first time I've heard that. I've heard it many, many times by very credible people.

And most of the time they won't come on the air and talk about it. I mean, I've probably heard more encounters off the air than people have actually heard be produced and put out for the public. I guarantee I've heard more off the air. And so it really makes you kind of worry a little bit and wonder a little bit, what's going on here? What's really going on in this world? You know, they talk about portals. and lights and

you know, who knows. Who knows what it is? But I really appreciate coming on, man, and sharing the Bigfoot encounter, I think, is fascinating, especially the light part. Like I said,

I'd like to be shocked and go, oh my God, I've never heard such of a thing, but I've heard it many times. And then the UFO thing, man, thank you so much for coming on and sharing it, representing New York out there,

New Yorkers. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, man. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the other thing, you know, I've heard like, you know, like, you know, Bigfoot might, like I've heard in other interviews. I've heard people say, you know, like Bigfoot supposedly is like the low maintenance, you know, the low maintenance extraterrestrial that like can be dropped off on any planet, man. So you never know. Yeah, you never know. I heard a doctor one time. You know, they're like, they're like the low maintenance badasses that can be dropped off anywhere and survived, you know. Well, what's interesting. I'll see if I can. can't dig it up. I was watching an interview with a guy who claimed to have worked on alien

bodies and alien ships. And he was asked, I think it's Dr. Emery. I'll have to look it up. But anyway, he was asked, what, I know you're talking about. I was in his interviews. Yeah, he said, what was the alien body? And he said, honestly, it reminded me of Chabaca from Star Wars. And I immediately thought of Sasquatch. And I thought, wow, that's a really bizarre for, if he's going to make it up, he's going to say a gray alien, he's going to say to go Chabaka route made me really stop and think about Bigfoot and people can laugh at that

but you know no one has one in their garage you know are they an ape? We don't know. People say it's a cross between an ape and a man. Well, what is that? That's a chimera. Chimeras are created. They aren't something natural. So it makes you wonder a little bit on

what's actually going on out there but again brother I appreciate coming on and sharing it very much. Oh, Wes, you're the best, man. You know, you always have a home in Brooklyn, man. Anytime you're in this way, man. Stop by any time, man. Thanks for having me.

Well, thanks for the invite. I might have to take you up on that. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoo me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance, please check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

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