Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:49 Bigfoot encounter stories

Episode Date: September 13, 2014

A listener wrote the show and wanted to share his encounter when he was a child and how he was stalked by a Sasquatch on his paper route. We will also be hearing from two other guests who also share their encounters with the creature.

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extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What are you reporting? The answer. That's a son of a bitch is about six foot.

Yes, I'm looking right here. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Hot Spot Radio, Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. So what I thought we'd do tonight is talk about the changes coming. I had the announcement in the last show with regard to moving the podcast to become monetize. I guess I should have done a better job for the listeners explaining. what our plans are and what we plan on doing.

I will say the bulk of the responses we've gotten back from people have been extremely positive. So I appreciate everyone's feedback. And it's nice that the bulk of the responses we've gotten back from people have been positive, people saying, hey, I understand that you guys do put a lot of work into the show. With regard to monetizing the podcast, I refuse to actually just take the show away from people and saying, well, you have to pay now. the way we're going to set it up is we're going to set it up to where there'll be a free

content and then there'll be paid content. And the whole purpose of the paid content is to help us, you know, I talked last week about taking the show the next level. What I meant by that was what I foresee happening with the show, the show expanding and becoming bigger.

We have enough encounter stories and enough content coming in to the show which we realistically could do a show almost every night. But what I'd like to see happen with the show is maybe two, three, maybe four times a week, create like a two-hour show. Well, I guess, you know, the one thing that I know that people were concerned about was what they'd be getting for their money. I mean, I guess the thinking was that they were going to be paying for the same show we've been doing, and that's not the case at all. Yeah, that's definitely not the case. I know we're still drawing a lot of things up in the sand right now with regard to the future of the show,

but it's definitely not going to be the same show. People are going to get a lot more. Again, there'll be the free content and they'll be the paid content. But with regard to the show itself, the show is going to expand into, I'd really like to see a two-hour format with the show. And so it's not going to be just the same show everyone's been getting. We're going to be adding a lot more content and a lot more. of the meat of this subject into the show, creating longer shows, and creating more shows per week. Yeah, we're going to try to dig a lot deeper into things and try to answer a lot more questions

as they're listening to these different encounters. Yeah, people are wondering about the logistics of the actual, you know, paying. Are they going to pay through our new site and how are you guys going to set that up? Yeah, we'll set up. Again, there will be free content and there will also be paid content. and for the paid content, it'll all be done through the site. And as we get closer to the website launching, we'll be coming out with that information on how people do that.

I would imagine we'll probably have multiple pay methods like PayPal and things like that. Yeah, I mean, there'll be different options for it. But it's not, it's more or less so that we can focus. I don't think people realize how much time and effort we put into the show every week, how many hours actually go into the show every week. I know for most people realize that, but for the people that don't, I think they think that we just kind of jump on the mics

to bring people on. There's a lot that goes into the show, and there's a lot of time and effort that go into the show. And I think one of the reasons why the show's gotten better is, you know, we've always tried to improve the show. How can we do this better? How can we do that better? How can we make it more interesting for people to listen to?

The route that we want to go to make the show better, it would help to, you know, alleviate some of the cost for us to make a better product for people to, a better listening experience, a better overall show. I was going to say that David Hallett, who made a post on the guest, you know, he said, you know, spending a couple of bucks a month or whatever it is, imagine the resources that can be brought to bear, you know, all these different things where now all we're doing is, you know, interviewing guests on the phone. So, you know, having said that, you know, with us being able to focusing on this, we can bring, you know, 10 times the content and quality and expand. Not just the interviews anymore.

There's so much more that surrounds that. Right. It's kind of that situation where if you guys like it now, just wait and see, you know, what it's going to be. Yeah, I think it'll be well worth, you know, and we're not going to be charging anywhere near what a lot of these folks out there do. Yeah, and like I said, there's still be free content on the show. I'm not going to, I refuse to take the show completely away from people who want to listen, and the free show will still be available. There will still be content available on the show.

You know, there will be another portion of the show that will be much larger, much longer, more content, and people will have the opportunity if they choose to pay for that. But as far as just taking the show away from people, I think that's what started to panic people. And again, most of the feedback that we got online was pretty positive. And a lot of the emails that we've gotten have been positive. But a small portion of the people was thinking that I was just going to take the show away and now you have to pay for it. And that's not what's going to happen.

And, of course, we'll have products, you know, they can purchase. Yeah, the show is going to be much bigger and better. and more entertaining, more information than it has been in the past. It's just at the moment we just don't have the resources to put into it. It's a very small channel that we actually work through to get this out of the public. Yeah, it is. It's very, very small. And how this is actually widened that considerably.

I mean, Shannon, you listen to the show more than Will and I do, or you have in the past. Do you think as a listener, I mean, what is it that people are freaked out about? It's not that you didn't do a good job, explain it. I think that it was just a lot to digest. As a fan of the show before I ever came on board, if I had heard that, I would be worried too. And you hit it on the head when you said,

I just think people thought we were just going to pull the whole show and say either you pay or. were gone from your lives, you know. And they, you know, people have a relationship with you guys. You're important to them. Yeah, that's basically, I think, the main concern that people had. So we just want to alleviate those fears that you guys aren't going to be pulling away from everybody's lives all of a sudden here.

Yeah, all I'll say is everyone just kind of hold tight and there'll be more and more information with each show. Again, I'm not going to just take up and take the show away from everyone and say, well, sorry, you have to pay now. That's not really what we're doing. As the shows progress, we'll have more and more information for the fans. But I just want to thank everyone for sending the feedback. Like I said, you know, the bulk of it was very positive with people supporting us. And that means a lot, and I really do appreciate that type of feedback. I appreciate all feedback, but for the people who are concerned out there, again, there's going to be paid content and then free content. And like I said, I refuse just to take the show away from people and say,

well, now you have to pay. That's not what's going to happen. I know one of the main questions people are having out there is who's is Shannon Legreau that we brought on. Who is that person? Who is that person? Who in the world was that? And before I have Shannon give us a quick bio on herself, I want to let people know that Woody just had a son was just born the other day. Hopefully he'll be returning to the show, but right now he just has a lot of things going on to where it's tough for him to be here.

But I want to congratulate Woody on his son and my new nephew. Now, I know a lot of people are worried, you know, where is Woody a lot of people are wondering where's Woody you know why hadn't he been on the show yeah well before we get to our first guest Shannon do you want to give the audience a quick bio on yourself yeah I just I wanted to introduce myself properly and you know let everybody know that Wes and Will didn't just go down to the McDonald's or get on Craigslist and say hey does anybody know about Sasquatch do you want to be on a radio show I've been reading research in the subject for about seven years, you know, not nearly as long as some of my

mentors in the subject. I think you know who I'm talking about. I have been in Ohio now for about a year, but I knew that I was coming to Ohio for about a year before I moved here. So for me, the interest ramped up about 200 percent, if there is such a thing. And since I've been here, I've pretty much been trying to do field research. and speaking to people, trying to get, you know, a feel for when you're speaking to people about their experiences, how to differentiate. And maybe what questions to ask and what things not to say when you're speaking to somebody, because the last thing you want to do is lead them. I learn something new every day. I appreciate everybody, and I want to thank everybody.

Yeah, and I apologize for not properly introducing Shannon to on the show. You know, you bring a lot to it, Shannon. We appreciate you being on. Before we actually get to our guests, there is a couple sounds I want to play for you guys. On Labor Day in 1994, this was recorded in Ohio. And it's called the talker tape.

I know when I was on the podcast Saswat with Seth Breedlove, he had talked about this, about this audio file. And it's called The Talker Tape. I want to play it for you guys and get your guys' feedback on this. I'm going to play that one more time. That's a big for a gorilla. That is creepy for sure. Yeah, I think it could be, you know, it's inconclusive.

I think it could be a person, but you're right, well, it does have a weird, definitely has a weird... It had a primate sound to it. Yeah, a little bit, huh? Like the chatter. The chatter I've heard before kind of sounds like that. Doesn't it sound kind of like a deaf person talking? A little bit, yeah.

Here, I'll play it one more time. Yeah, it's inconclusive, but it's kind of, that weird chatter. Oh, it's got that recurring theme of the, almost like a, like it's letting out a little, you know, at the top of the sound there. You keep hearing that. They'll kind of chatter, jibber, and then, blah. You know, it has kind of a deep tone to it, too, like it would be from some, you know, a lot of air.

The next one I want to play for you guys was responsible for a couple Bigfoot reports that went out on a couple of websites. And as creepy as that sounds, that was actually a dog making that noise. Yeah, I was going to say, the howling definitely sounded canine. It's a very upset dog. Yeah, and, you know, sometimes they'll sit and moan and make noises like that. My colleague used to do that all the time. I used to look out the window and he'd be sitting there, looking up in the air, making

tap on the window and asking what the heck he was doing. He's kind of look at me and go right back. You're like, I'm busy right now. That's right. Leave me alone. Yeah, that's a weird sound for a dog to make. I think. This was from the Sequoia National Park.

And these guys, they're not actually Bigfoot guys. They were setting up camp. And this is during the day. And I posted the video on our Facebook fan page. But during the day, they were setting up camp, and this is what they heard. They claimed it was coming closer and closer to them. Strange noise.

Coming from some kind of an animal. It's been going on for about a minute now. From the east, he was getting closer. I've heard that noise quite a few times up around the Mount Rainier area. In fact, what do you term? It's kind of like a barking laugh. You've heard that described? That video that you actually liked Will, on the Indian Reservation,

where it sounds like there's the barking laugh, and it's that man taping on the cell phone. It's actually quite a long video, the one where the shot goes off. Right, right. And then it sounds like it screams, and it reminds you of that a lot. We were sitting up at Mount Rainier camping on the west side.

In fact, it was the weekend after 9-11 happened, and we heard that over the sound of what. It was that exact sound. Talk about a conversation stopper. I bet. Yeah, the only other thing I wanted to play for you guys was a news story. This is an abandoned playground. And again, I posted this up on the Facebook fan page.

But apparently there's this abandoned playground. Originally, a bunch of kids had a sighting. they had run into what they described to be like a white monkey running around this place. So these researchers show up. They actually got footcasts of this creature, and they showed the footcast on the news when they played the news. But I found the whole story about this abandoned playground. Let me play it real quick for you guys. I know for a fact it's not human.

I know that. I mean, just looking at the dimensions. and the contour of the track. It's nine inches long, and it's just shy of six inches wide from toe to toe. Last year back in November, I actually had a sighting of a creature. I don't know what it was, but, I mean, it was about six foot tall, and it just bolted off through the woods. I was actually standing over there by the monkey bars,

and that's whenever I heard movement over this way. Now look over here, it's actually right in that area. It stood up and bolted off. And there is actually a, people told me there's a creep down there too. So there's fresh water right there. There's two characteristics about this track that doesn't quite add up to what a lot of people believe it to be, and that is a track of a black bear. The problem is there's hair all in this thing.

but the hair isn't black. The hair is like a grayish color, similar to what he described he saw back here last fall. And then there's another characteristic about it that is more scientific. Essentially, it has ridges and valleys in the impression, and there's only two species that have that. Number one, humans and primates. bears don't have

Fingerprint-like impressions on the skin Yeah, and if you look at that track, it definitely doesn't look like a bear track. It looks like your typical Sasquatch track. But yeah, if you get a chance to check it out on our Facebook fan page, our first guest tonight is Roger, and he wanted to share his encounter when he was a paperboy.

He was actually stalked by a Sasquatch. and I wanted to bring them on the show because I thought the story was kind of fascinating, especially on the Sasquatch's behavior. So I wanted to welcome Roger to the show. The thing that I want to tell all of you is you can ask me anything you want. I know you guys come across a lot of BS stories, and I'm just going to be perfectly open and honest with you about what happened and no frills to it.

The reason I sent this to you or sent to the email is from listening to all your episodes, I mean, you guys are no frills. You talk about the truth behind these things. The DFR old guys with their searching for Bigfoot, they've gotten kind of nutty. And I just haven't found anybody out there like you guys that are absolutely serious about this and talk about the truth behind what these things do and how they act and where they're at. and what's really going on with them. So you had an account when you were a young man.

Is that correct? Yeah, I was in eighth grade. In eighth grade. Okay, so you were delivering papers? This was February 5th, 1981. I was a paper boy for the Des Moines Register. Well, tell us what happened. We had quite a heavy snow cover at that time, and it was well below zero.

That week, previous week, we had a bit of a snowstorm, so we had a nice fresh covering snow over everything. And the temperatures were anywhere between zero and minus 15 at that time. It was just bitterly cold. And I had just taken over this paper out from my best friend of mine on January 1st. And I had done this paper out for him off and on just to give him some relief when he had to go to his grandmother's on weekends. And so I was used to getting up at O Dark 30 and running around delivering papers on the route and nothing scared me. The only thing that I was scared about was, you know, somebody trying to pull up in a car

or truck and abduct me. I had a close encounter with a guy up in Michigan when I, a couple of years before when we lived up there. So I was always on alert to somebody trying to pick me up, but I wasn't thinking Sasquots at all. About the week before this, I was doing my normal. thing and and the thing was is that you know in the mornings it didn't matter how cold it was you would always you know you would hear some bird sounds or you'd see cats and dogs or you'd hear

them there's always some kind of you know usually wildlife noise you'd see rabbits you know running around between the houses but there was always some kind of you know animal noise going on and the week before this there was that but as my paper route would go around the outside edges of eldridge And Eldridge is basically a square city that's surrounded by cornfields. And when the corn is chopped down in the fall, you can see for miles. And so when I would get around to certain spots around the town that week before, and I didn't put this in my report, it was just something I was thinking about later, I would get to certain points, and they would change, you know, from day to day the week before.

I just felt like I was being watched. I wasn't thinking Sasquatch, you know, I'm just thinking back of my mind, you know, It's just the kid stuff. You know, there's a monster out in the darkness kind of thing. But I wasn't thinking Bigfoot at all. I blew it off and, you know, kept doing my thing. When it came down to the morning, it was a Wednesday morning, I took off from my house.

I had an old 10-speed bike, and you think the wintertime would be hard to ride a bike, but when it gets that cold, the snow crystallizes you get really good traction. So I'm headed uptown to the old gas station to get my papers. and I go east on Leclair Road. My parents' house was right on the corner of 9th in Leclair, 9th Street in Leclair and Eldridge. And I take off east and I get to the next block down and all of a sudden it just, I didn't hear any noises. I just all of a sudden, it's just like, bam. I had a really weird kind of fear set in on me.

And I'm just like, and then I just felt. something in my guts. And I turned and looked to my left in between these two houses where it was these kind of evergreen bushes that kind of have the flat vertical leaves. They're not really a leaf, but they're not really a pine needle. And I just, bam, I looked right there, and it was just all dark, and I didn't see anything. And it was really strange because I never, ever had that kind of fear response. And I kept going, and I mean, I'm looking over my shoulder.

I'm just like something is not right. So I get up to the old gas station, which was the only stoplight that we had in town at the time. And I got off my bike and I stopped and it was just dead, eerie silence. And it wasn't like the mornings before, you know, you think if it's that bitter cold, nothing's going to be moving. And I'm just like, something's not right. Was it daylight yet? No, it was jet black, dark. I mean, beautiful story.

Skies that night. I mean, just, I mean, it was virtually, it looked like midnight out there. I get my papers, I go on the route, and all through the route, it just felt like something was wrong, and I would stop, and I was constantly looking over my shoulder. And I'm just like, something's not right here. So I get halfway through my route, which was actually a couple blocks in my house, and I come around this corner on the corner of Fifth Street. And in my report, I had the wrong cross street. It's not Donahue. It's Davenport Street.

and I look down and I see this huge footprint. And I'm like, holy cow, you know, what's that? So I go up and I deliver the paper and I come back and get off a bike. And I get on my hands and knees and I'm looking at this thing and it's huge. I'm talking it's all of 20 inches long and at very least six inches wide at the hill. It was huge. I'm thinking, wow, this is some kind of, you know, a really cool fake snow boot. And in that area there was all kinds of kid tracks in the snow.

And I got out and I'm looking. I'm thinking there's got to be some kind of of print made in China or made in Japan on it, and I'm not seeing anything. And so I kind of set up on my knees, and I look back from the direction, and I see more of them, and they go in between the houses on the other block to the north of me.

And I look forward, and they're going towards the southwest. They cross the street and go in between a bunch of these bushy trees. I look, and I see where this thing stepped on the curve. And you can see the bootprints of all the other kids where if they stepped on the curve, Their boot didn't conform to the curve. This thing conformed perfectly to the curve, like if you and I walked on it in barefoot in the snow. And at that point, the chills went up my spine, and I thought, oh, my God, this is a real big foot track here.

And at that point, I panicked. I got on my bike, and I busted loose for home. And I went in, told my mom and dad what I found. I tried to get my dad to go look at these, and he just refused. I said, I'm not going back out. I said, I'm horrified. I'm not going back out. We got in a big argument.

It was either, you know, getting my butt kicked by my dad or go out and face big for it. So I went back out. I was scared out of my mind. I picked up the route where I left off. And I'm on high alert. I'm looking everywhere. So I finished the route. I have to come back by my house and actually write almost by where I first had that strong fear of response.

And that's when I noticed that this thing. that this thing had come out exactly between the houses where I first had that fear response and looked to my left, that's exactly where it came out. Now, I couldn't remember seeing tracks when I went by there because I wasn't looking at the ground. I was looking up at the bushes. So it came out there. It crossed the highway, Oclair Road, and it went diagonally across to Elmigreen Park. Ambergreen Park set directly in front of my parents' house.

It walked through the snow through that park, and the great thing about this part is no kids have been in that park since the last snowfall. There were no human tracks in there whatsoever. There were no animal tracks. There weren't even rabbit tracks in there. There was nothing. I come back later that day. I finished the route.

Nothing happened. Didn't hear anything, didn't see anything. And went to school that morning, came back, and I went to Emmergreen Park. and I followed the tracks to that point. And when I saw that there was no human tracks, no tracks in there, just these big fast squat tracks, and they had a spread on them, gosh, an easy five to six foot apart. And they went down the hill towards the creek.

And when it got to the creek, it's kind of like it looked like, you know, like if you and I take a lunge, an extra long step, this thing took an extra long step across this creek that had to be at least eight foot. It got on the other side of the creek and started falling the creek, which is Hickory Creek. It followed it south to the south fence. It was a farm field there on the other side. Well, it was a cow pasture. And that whole corner of the park was one big snow drift.

It was almost as high as the farm fence, which is about three and a half feet around here normally. And it stepped in one side of the snow drift and then stepped out. over the fence into the other one, five to six foot away with the other foot, and it never dragged its feet on top of the snow drift at all. It was just step, step, and it was over. And it followed Hickory Creek back to the southwest, which weeds back to the Eldridge Seward's Treatment Ponds. I followed it back there, and when I crossed Buttermilk Road to the side of the ponds and then

followed the tracks. They continued to follow Hickory Creek on the, maybe on the north side of the creek. And I started going back through there, and the snow had drifted in. It was pretty, pretty deep. It was probably three and a half, four foot deep back there. And I got so far back, and that same fear response hit me again. I stopped, and I could see over there, there was trees that fall the creek. What I just followed was an open cow pastor.

There was no trees along either side of the creek. So I just got this intense feeling. This thing is down there. It's watching me. And the wind was blowing in my direction, you know, from the southwest to where I was at. I mean, there was air flow that way from that direction. And I'm just like, you know, if that thing is sitting down there 300 yards away with the paces that I'm seeing that it's making through the snow, even if it's walking at me, there's no way I'm going to be able to get out of here and get to even back to the gravel road and get to some kind of safety.

I know there's no way I cannot run this thing. So I got out of there and went back home, tried talking to my parents about again, tried to get them out to see it. They just laughed at me, wouldn't talk, wouldn't come out and see it. At that point, that was Thursday morning. The thing was I stayed out to about 1030 that night collecting for my paper route, and I went right by that same spot. So I've got a set of tracks running from northeast to southwest.

So stopped there. I knew it was 10.30. I went home with the bed. Got up the next morning. Came back, same time the next morning. And the strange thing was there was a brand new set of Sasquatch tracks. It was the same animal as far as I was concerned that was following its own tracks from the southwest back to the northeast. And boy, if that doesn't rattle your cage.

And I kind of took that as this thing is kind of telling me. It knows that I know that it's there. That's kind of the feeling I had. And I was really shook up. I'm just like, this is not a joke. This thing's real. And I could not get anybody to go out there and look at this with me. So we went through Friday delivering papers.

No instance. Nothing happened. Went through Saturday. Nothing happened. And on Sunday, because the papers were so much bigger and heavier, my dad would drive our little Toyota car. carry them for me. So we go through the whole paper route and everything went just flawlessly and I'm feeling pretty good. I got my dad with me. I'm thinking, you know, this thing's not going to show up.

And we got to the very last house on my paper route, which was directly to the west of North Scott Junior High. And when I got to the last house, I threw the paper. I made a bad throw and I smacked this storm door and it rattled loud. and as soon as that thing hit, this thing cut loose with the most horrifying scream I've ever heard in my life. I mean, it was instantaneous fear. I guess to make that I know it was between the house I was standing in front of and the house to my right, which was to the south. And there was more of these big, tall, bushy things. I guess this thing loved staying near that kind of foliage.

I estimated it was within 30 yards of me. And it cut loose with that scream, and my gut instinct was I jumped straight in the air. And I had a couple months before I'd done a book report in school on Bigfoot. And it was all, you know, the Patterson Gimblin story and just some kind of benevolent stories of Bigfoot. There was nothing about Bigfoot feeding people or capturing. people and hauling them off into the woods. There was none of that. I hadn't heard any of that stuff. It was just basic, you know,

people are seeing a big creature in the woods and that was it. But when this thing cut loose with this screen, I jumped straight in the air and like a lot of your people that you've interviewed in your show, they say they could feel it. And I've told people for years, it felt

like those silent ways penetrated my chest, my body and went straight to the core of my being. It was so unbelievably. horrifying. And so the driveway is a sheet of ice. So when this thing screamed, I jumped straight in the air and I rotated 180 degrees and I hit the ground and my feet went right out from under me and I'm screaming for my dad.

And I was so horrified. If you take your hand and make like a claw, I took my gloves off for the last stop. So if you take your hand to make like a claw, I was so horrified. I was slamming my fingers into the ice and I was literally getting traction from the ice with my fingernails, you know, just stabbing into that ice on the driveway while my feet were kind of like spinning behind me. And I'm screaming for my dad, and I'm trying to get up and run, and finally I get to my feet, I run, and I slamming the side of the car, throw the door, but I'm screaming, Dad, you hear that thing scream,

and he's in there with the radio cranked up, the heater blower going, he's reading a newspaper, and he didn't hear nothing, which I just couldn't believe because this thing was so freaking Wow. So we got in the car and we left and I told my dad, if I'm getting rid of this paper, I'm not doing this anymore. I did not go back the next day to look for tracks up there. That moment shook me up so bad. I just, I didn't want to see any more tracks.

I just wanted to find somebody to take this paper out from me and get completely out from under it. The strange thing about it was when that thing screamed, the thought, the predominant thought in my mind was, this thing is going to eat me. Which was kind of strange because I hadn't read or heard any stories about Bigfoot's eating people. I read one about a trapper that shot one and that came back and killed him, but not eating people or abducting people. So it was just kind of strange that that thought went through my mind.

This thing's going to eat me. I got to get out of here. And so after that, the next, probably for the next. next week, the mornings were the same. It was just eerily, dead quiet. Nothing moved, didn't see anything. And then one day I go out, and it's like everybody turned the sound back on, and there was dogs and cats and birds everywhere.

And at that point, I was pretty well relaxed and convinced that, you know, this thing was gone. So it was one of the things. I couldn't get my mind around. Let me ask you, the direction that tracks were going to into the populated area. Were there any kind of food sources around? No, I didn't. And I will say this much.

At that time in the early 80s, there was not much in the way of whitetel deer in eastern Iowa like there is now. And that was a brutally cold winter. And the best I can figure out is I think they were hunting. I think their food sources were depleted. And they were coming up out of the Wopsy River Valley. The Wopsy River is about, I don't know, maybe eight, nine, I'll say between five and eight miles north of Eldridge and Long Grove, Iowa.

And I think they were coming out, and like you said on other shows, if there's one saskatch you're guaranteed, there's at least one more with it. And I think that they were coming out looking for food. I think I was on the menu. I think there were some things that, what's that? Cold weather conditions like that. It's very possible if they're, like you said,

if they're out of. Right. Well, my thought was they were sweeping through Eldridge, you know, maybe attracted to the sense of some of the bar and grills in town. At that time, we didn't have any real restaurants. It was just bar and grills. And then, of course, you had the sewage treatment pond, which may have been putting off an odor too at the time.

I went back and I look, and you guys can do this too. If you go on the BFRO website and you look at the reports of Sasquatch sightings at the end of 1980, like November, December, and then you go into the months of January, February, March, you see a lot of reports in that time period in Iowa. And there's kind of a stretch where, you know, they're kind of up north. They come from where I'm at,

and they kind of go up north a little bit and head over towards Des Moines. So I think maybe the cold had pushed them down. The food sources were depleted. And I do. I think they were out scavenging. really do. Yeah, it's very likely, very likely. When I did, I did an interview with, with a BFRO investigator, and I can tell you his name,

I don't know if you went down there or not, but when I talked to him and I told him about the tracks, he said, he says, that's almost unheard of that a Sasquatch will never backtrack on its own tracks, and I've never read another story like that anywhere ever. I've always kind of wondered, like I said, my thought was, I think maybe this thing was letting me know it knew that I knew it was there. I don't know if they think that intelligently or not. Let me clarify something. He was trying to say that they won't follow their tracks back. Yeah, he said that he, you know, he had never heard of them, you know, following their tracks back like that, especially, you know, in the snow.

Well, I'll tell you about nonsense. I've seen that numerous times. Really? They'll come down out of an area and then they go back up the same way. I would trust your opinion. They do that. Believe me, they will do that. Okay.

In fact, it's very common for them to follow the same path year-round when they're coming down out of sleeping areas, for instance, down to a feeding area. Okay. And they'll follow the same route right back up. And a lot of animals do that. It's not just saskwages. I mean, it scared the heck out of being when I first saw it. You know, as a kid, you know, you know, you. you read about these things and, you know, it's a fairy tale.

And when you start running up against hardcore proof of reality that this thing's real, it's really hard to get your mind wrapped around it. That was my first sighting. And then seven years later, I was in the Air Force, I was stationed in Southern New Mexico. I went for a drive one night with a girlfriend. And we went along, they called West Side Road. and it's a really beautiful scenic drive up there because you can actually get up there and look right down

and see the city lights at Alamagordo down below. It was about 9 o'clock at night, and we're driving along, we're talking, we're laughing about something, we both looked at each other, and then all of a sudden I saw something out of corner my eye. We both saw at the same time, and I turned and I looked, and the first thing I saw was these two huge pair of glowing gold eyes. and they were, as my headlights reflected off of them,

it would turn from, it was like a gold color that wanted to go kind of red. And I can make out the silhouette of the head, the side of the head, the shoulders, and then the long arm, and then the legs. And this thing took one step off the shoulder of the road, in the middle of road, off the other side, and was gone, down an unbelievably steep embankment. and what got me about it was was the shoulder width on that thing

was at least as wide as my 82 Mustang and it just blew my mind and we looked at each other and our jaws are hanging down and I floored it and went by there and I said, did you see that? She said, yeah, I said, what do you think that was? And she said, what do you think it was? I said, that was a Sasquatch.

And she said, that's exactly what I thought. So we turned around and got out of there and that was the last we saw of it. But that's been my two Sasquatch encounters. And then I live north of the Wopsy in a small farm town now. And when I got up here, the neighbor mine was telling me about a guy here in town that saw or found tracks on two different occasions in the snow, just a mile or two west of where I'm at.

now. And at nighttime around here, I believe that in the summer and in the fall, I'm hearing these things how. It's a little different how. It's more of a how than a scream like what I heard, but it'll be a long how, and usually I'll hear a return off in the distance off to the west. And if there's coyotes out here, it'll be dead silent. I hear one of these howls, and then and the coyotes just going to nuts. Yeah, everything goes off. Yeah, yeah. They get down on the screen and sit everything in the valley off.

Yeah, yeah. And that's what I hear here too. And it's kind of strange because some nights I'll hear the, you know, on full moon nights, I'll hear the counties. I may hear a pack to the north of me and one to the east or to the west. And they'll be yipping and howl and barking and carrying on and all of a sudden you'll get this how, this long-lasting howl, and then it's almost like the coyotes get a panic sound to them.

They'll start yipping and crying and howling, and they just go absolutely out of their mind. And then you'll start hearing more of these returns. Yeah, they're being hunted. And you know what those sounds there, it kind of depends. I mean, these things make a wide variety of noise, types of creatures as well. So there's going to be some variation between types and what they're doing.

Well, what I can't figure out here is, I mean, the Wopsey River, it's a pretty, if you look at it on Google Maps, it's really winding. And you may have the river in one location, but then you may have a couple miles of swamp on either side of it. I mean, it's a perfect habitat for them. But then they've got, this guy that lives here in town, he has said that he's seen tracks coming from basically. the direction of Toronto, Iowa, and they cross Highway 136, headed north towards Eden's Valley. It's a state park. And heading up there.

And it's kind of, it's a real bluffy area. There's not a lot, there's not caves like you would think, where you could just walk into them. There's smaller ones, but I can't figure out why they keep coming from the Wopsy and going into that bluff area, especially in, well, wintertime. time maybe there's, I don't see, can cover, I don't know, but I'm trying to figure out what they're doing going back and forth. I mean, where you, you know, I've listened to your program where, you know, they'll be up in the mountains and the caves and then they'll come down to a creek or a river,

they'll get water, they'll hunt for game, and then before dawn they go back up and they go into hiding. Here, I'm not sure how they operate, you know, in a place like Iowa. Not too much different than moving, you know, from one feeding area to the next most of the time. Where would you think they'd be bedding down? Would they want to stay high up on some bluffs here, or would they want to stay down in kind of that swampy area? Well, generally at nighttime when they bed down, and they do act in the daytime as well,

but a lot of times they're bedding down. Okay, so they like to sleep on the high ground. Right, and it kind of makes sense because it's easier to spot. Danger is coming where you're alerted, and you can escape easier. Many of you were previously when you said O'Dark early, so that's a term we used as the advantage. Well, I haven't seen any up here. Like I said, I have somebody here locally that's seen the prints very close to where I live.

And I know they're here. I'm hearing the howls and the screams. On the BFRO, there's another report up the river. About 30 miles from where I'm at now, North. from Cascade Iowa. A couple saw just an enormous Sasquatch along the Wopsy there. And I can't help to think if it's possibly the same one I saw. And I've told people for years that I believe the one that got close to me was a male

because I'm listening to the different howls on YouTube. And this thing was way more, it had more of a deep, I guess you would call it like a manly sound to it versus most all that I've heard on the Internet. I mean, it left no doubt in my mind that this was a huge male. I can't prove it. I didn't see it. It's just kind of my gut instinct about it. Here's one key.

Yeah, I've got to agree with that. And the males you've seen more often than the field. Like I said, it was just, I've never been that. scared in my life since or before that. You know, for years, I mean, I mean, it changed the whole way I look at going camping or hunting. When I go camping or hunting, I really don't sleep in a tent. I basically kind of sleep with one eye open and I really don't like to sleep. Yeah, exactly.

Last time I went camping last fall, I literally didn't go to sleep until the sun started coming up. I just, I couldn't, I couldn't do it. And, you know, after listening to some of your episodes here, I've had to sit down and rethink about, you know, how I go hunting in the woods because, you know, I would go, you know, especially shotgun season. You know, deer slug, I'm thinking, okay, I got enough power here to take one out. And after listening to some of your stories, I realize I really don't. I got enough to, if I had a headshot, maybe take one out,

but then what am I going to do about the other three or four that are there with it? I'm not going to be able to get enough rounds off. Well, it's definitely something like a terrifying encounter, Roger. I mean, especially being a paper boy, I can imagine. I know what you mean when you say you felt the scream, but it's definitely a terrifying encounter. That's for sure. It really was.

You know, two things that, I mean, I think they're explained in my mind now, but at the time, it's like how did I know to look where I looked when I first got that fear response? Because, you know, Sasquatch wasn't in my head at all. How did I know that? And after reading a little bit about pheromones that animals put off, like bears and lions, I think that's what I was picking up. I think that triggers a response in us from ancient times when ancient humans had dealings with these things in a much more regular and personal basis.

And man-like monsters in particular goes back to our... Right. I agree with that. But, you know, when I got that first spirit response, the next thing that I felt, even though I couldn't hear anything, I felt it in my guts. It was like if you stand next to a big bass drum

from a marching band and they hit it, and you feel that in your guts. And I always wondered about that. And I kind of got this idea. that these things, after hearing the screen, because it had really high frequencies in the screen and it had really low frequencies. And when those sound waves hit me, I mean, I felt it in my chest, my guts, everything. It was like a beam of light hitting you.

It was weird. And then when I learned that, you know, African elephants can communicate over 15, 20 miles with low frequencies, I kind of wondered if maybe these things aren't able to communicate with each other with really low frequency. and maybe that's what I was picking up because I know low frequencies can affect your intestinal area. I've read that before in different scientific studies that they've done. And I kind of wondered if maybe that wasn't what I was picking up or if it was just part of the initial fear response of picking up on the pheromones.

I don't know. I don't know if you guys have ever heard anything like that. Oh, yeah. It could be a combination of things. It's hard to tell you. It's really like. It's awful lot for an eight-year-old to take in. Oh, man.

I mean, it, and what the strange thing was was that, you know, I remember it like it was yesterday. I mean, it just, it just never left me. I mean, it changed. It was like a huge paradigm shift for me as far as, you know, camping and hunting goes. It doesn't ever go away. No, it doesn't. It doesn't. I shouldn't have two of these things 40 years.

Yeah. You just feel that fear coming up in your guts about it. It never goes away. Never. If you get a chance to record those sounds you've been hearing. I don't have anything at this time to record it. And they're really distant. I don't know if a recorder would pick that up.

I have some parabolic dishes. I could probably try hooking something up to try to record it and send you a lay file on that. It would be interesting to hear what you have going on there. Yeah. If you look with my report there, there was another one in Scott County, and that guy described his encounter just like mine. When this thing went off, it sounded like a siren.

And he was in a tent with his girlfriend, and it just blew him away when they heard that. They heard it walk up on them. I kind of wondered if, once again, it's not the same one. My thoughts are they like to move up and down this Wopsy. River Valley because it's got a lot of game in it now. It's got a lot of swampy, marshy areas that nobody can access, and they can move around all they want and nobody would ever see them.

Right, and they're rotating around through there. Yeah. Feeding and sleeping and all that. You know, listen to your program. I've heard some people come on your program and some other programs that go out there and they're actively pursuing these things. And they kind of get a jovial tone about them. And they tell you that they're not afraid of these things.

And I'm telling you, if they're not afraid of these things, they're insane, they're out of their mind. You know, I'd like to see one again, but at a long distance through a scope. I don't want to – I don't want them within 30 yards of me. Well, we sure appreciate it. Appreciate you sharing. Roger, we appreciate you coming on and sharing your story. You're welcome.

Yeah, thanks, Roger. Well, you know, I got to thank you guys for, you know, cutting out all the phony baloney on this whole, all this information on Sasquatches. You know, if you're sitting there watching searching for Bigfoot, I mean, that's a joke. It's just a joke. It's just a joke.

Way too much. Yeah. I tell you what, I found your website probably about two months ago, and I think I've gone through about every single episode that you guys have had on. And besides thoroughly loving it, I've learned so much about these things that I never knew. What was strange was there's a lot of things that you talk about that I experienced, and then I had a lot of other ideas about what these things were doing, And you guys just came along and confirmed everything that I thought

and then added a whole lot more that I didn't know, like their behaviors. I couldn't find anything anywhere on their behaviors. The other guy that, and you guys have mentioned him a couple times, John Politi, I come across to him about a year ago, and I haven't bought and read his book, but I've listened to a whole lot of his radio interviews, Coast to Coast and some other programs. just the disappearances. Once

I came across his information, that's when I started to really believe that, you know, these things are man-eaters. And if you're out there by yourself and they're in the mood, they'll take you and there's nothing you can do to stop them. Yeah, and it goes back

to a lot of the Native American tribes. Yeah. So how anybody translate that into forest friends or whatever they call them is being me? Yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, up until maybe about three years ago, I hadn't read anything on these creatures taking anybody, abducting anybody, eating anybody, just hadn't run across that. And here in the last three years, you know, doing searches on YouTube, I started picking up a little bit.

And then I come across John Politi's, and I was like, oh, wow. And I started going through all the encounters that he was talking about. He came across one that happened back in 1982 in Kentucky in Land of the Lakes. It was either him or it was another person on YouTube. But I think he mentions it in one of his interviews. But I was in Kentucky at the time, and I remember just this quick blurb on the news about a family camping in an RV down in a campground land between the lakes were the mom, the dad, the two kids were found murdered, and that was it.

And then I found out later on it was a lot more than that. I mean, the authorities went there, and they found the bodies torn apart, partially eaten, and they find the little girl hanging from a tree partially eaten. And that was the first real story I heard about these things attacking and killing people. It was also the first story that you... I started to understand what you've talked about there being different species. They're not all necessarily a Sasquatch. That one down there, it started to come out from locals.

That one down there in that area is more like a two-legged walking baboon. And that was kind of the description. Yeah, or they call them a dog man sometimes, I think. Right, that's a type three. Yeah. Yeah, and I know that David Politey's is careful not to say, you know, what he thinks it is, but, you know, it makes you wonder. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he'll tell what the descriptions were from the locals.

But when that story came up, I'm like, oh, my God, that's what I remembered as a kid when I was down there. So at that point, you know, I started to realize that, you know, these are man-eaters, and there's more than one type of them. and that they're all across the country. They're just not out in the mountains. They're here in Iowa and Kentucky and Missouri and the Dakotas. I worked for a guy at an alternative repair shop that he had a friend who was a rancher up in South Dakota that he was in the Air Force with. And he went up to visit him one time and he said, I want to show you something. He set him down and he played a home video.

I think it was a 9-millimeter film of these Sasquotches out on his ranch. And he said, family doesn't talk about it. We're not going to show these films to anybody. But he goes, I want you know what's up here. And he wasn't too shocked. He had been stationed up in Alaska at a remote base up there. And he had seen Sasquatch tracks on sandbars up there. So it didn't surprise him.

But these things are everywhere. I've learned a lot in the last two months, thanks to you guys, and just stripping away all the bull that's out there. I mean, I really do appreciate sharing your story and coming on the show. You're welcome. I don't mean to cut you off. Yeah, keep in touch with this. Okay, well, thanks for having me on, and I appreciate it.

It's been fun. Well, thanks for coming on. Thanks, Roger. You're welcome. you all have a good evening. I know next on the show we have Chris, and Chris kind of had an interesting sighting. He had one walk around his car.

He talks a little bit later on about his uncle hearing what he described as monkeys, chattering out. I think it was in his backyard. I have to bring him on to ask him, but I wanted to welcome Chris to the show. Okay, hi, Chris. How are you doing this evening?

I'm good. How you doing, Will? Good, good. Well, I guess I'm not. I usually like to start out talking to people to find out before you had your encounter what your knowledge of the subject. Not too much, but I was always curious about it. I mean, I believe that maybe it was something out there. You know, being in Georgia, you hear stuff, but you – I mean, I never seen it with my own eyes until what I saw at night.

But I never was the one to be like, no, they don't exist because, you know, I watch the shows, finding Bigfoot or whatever. and all the other stuff, but, yeah. Now, how long ago was the incident? It was like, like, 96 and 97. Okay. Well, leading up to that moment when this incident happened, tell us what you were doing. We was, my, it was a neighborhood that my cousin and my uncle lived in.

So we went over there, and we hung out for a while. We go over there, we parked the car. Right beside my uncle house, they stopped construction over there. Like, it was almost like a house that was, that was built, but they stopped. So it was like a street right there. They stopped, like, they was going to build, but they stopped on it. So I parked my car right there, which is, it was like 70 yards from my uncle house. And I parallel parks, I backed up facing the street, like, leaving outwards.

Like, you know, just because, I don't know why I just did that. So me and my cousin, we parted the car, we get out with the, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, We walked towards my cousin house who lived on the other side of the neighborhood. So as you walked over there, we hung out for a while, you know, we stayed at his house about 30 minutes. When we left, he left before me. So he walked to the car and I was behind him. As I'm walking, he's already the car, right? The car is facing me.

So I'm walking. I was about 100 yards from my car. and it was dark. So as I'm walking towards the car, I see like a, he's six foot five. So I see something come behind the car, pause, and then walk into the wood. And from that, I just see a six foot five frame, and it was dark. So I thought, I assumed that was my cousin. So I kind of yelled at my cousin.

Like, what you're doing? I said, I said, you think I can't see your big, whatever, going to those woods? And I thought, laughing. And I kind of ran to the car, just playing around. We play around a lot. So I ran to the car. I said, I'm going to leave him. I'm going to leave him.

I said, I made him come out of those woods then. As I get to the car, I was about unlocked the door, and he was sitting in the car, like, laid back, like he was sleep. And the back of the car is the curbstone, and there's the woods right there. And it's pitch black. So now I'm like, okay, if you're sitting there, what was that? I just walked into the woods. You know, and now my hand's like trembling, right? I can't hardly open the door.

So I unlocked the door, and this is old station wagon. My old brother, my daddy got his old 1986 station wagon. It's kind of rigged up. So when I, to crank it up, you have to open a dashboard and push a button. and keep in mind, I'm trying to hurry up to leave because I don't know what's behind me. And my cousin's 6'5, so his knees is blocking the dashboard. So I'm saying, move your knees out the way, move. You know, he was like, what's wrong?

I thought I'd seen you go into the woods. I said, something is behind us, you know, right? So, you know, I got the car going, and I left. And he was like, what are you talking about? He knows, to this day, he didn't see anything. He was just in the car. So fast forward to this year, my uncle who lived right by that spot, we just got on the subject about satchwax bics or whatever.

He said when they first moved to the neighborhood, he remembered that behind his house is a lake. A whole bunch of yelling, like a bunch of like chimps or monkeys, like yelling and fighting. To be in Panama, Georgia, the hit it was weird, he said. Now, I didn't know what to tell him about the incident I had. so I laid him just talk so yeah he said

well man my wife Mary moved here it was like a whole bunch of like ruckers going behind by that lake and it was like a whole bunch of monkeys like yelling and fighting screaming he said it was like it was no birds

went no owls it sounded like a bunch of chumps back there and he said and he called my aunt and she said she's like she couldn't all remember he kept trying to like refresh her memory he said, he turned back to me,

he said, Chris, I was scared. He said, I wanted to go outside, but I wasn't about to go outside because it was kind of like two o'clock in the morning or whatever

late and had his window up and he heard all that stuff. He said, he didn't know what that was. But then I told him what happened to me by that lake, I mean,

by his inner neighborhood. And today, I don't know what it was. I know it was a tall, dark figure, and it went to the woods like, you'll go into your room. You know, being pitch black into the woods, you know, you go in there.

I mean, you're trying to, like, you kind of go in that slow, trying to get the bushes and stuff out the way, whatever. It just walked right into the woods. Like, it was pitch black. So I was like, I don't know what it was, but I know it wasn't my cousin. Do you know if anybody else in the areas talked about seeing anything around there? I know that it was a lady. in Roscoe, Georgia, that reported something about saying a satchewatch.

Her husband, years before, say he's seen it. It was in the paper. She had seen it. He's seen it for her. And she was laughing at him when she was trying to explain what he seemed. And, you know, she didn't believe in whatever. But a few years ago, she said she had kept with the same thing, going on on his dog robe in the rock

road school it's like I don't know if you from me were noon in Georgia whatever but it's over in that area I remember my cousin Michael he's he's cracked Joseph about

this guy he said used to go around people homes and they'd like in their window when they get a rose suit on and they call it the belt road bugger

and I was like what is that the belt road bugger he said it was a road area of this thing used to go around and people say

it was a guy in a gorilla suit, going people home, look through the bathroom, to the house, whatever. And I was thinking, a bet roll bugger, you know. But I heard Bear and Tim Baker, rather, we're calling them things boogers in the South whatever. Right. Apparently, I guess a lot of people in the South calling boogers. That's the common term. Somebody, if they just wrote it off, thinking it was somebody in a guerrilla suit or was it the real thing,

people assume it was a guy in a gorilla suit, I don't know. Right. Right, you know. Right. You know, so. It's an interesting side note to the story, Chris, that people were saying, oh, it's a guy in a gorilla suit looking in people's windows. Well, if it's just some creeper guy, why would he put on a gorilla suit? Exactly.

We've heard that so many times with these things going around looking in windows. Right. Yeah, you're trying to put that square peg in the round hole and it's, you know, you just go, oh, guy in a gorilla suit. It would just go, oh, it's a Sasquatch looking in my bathroom. Linda. Exactly. And then they never locked it a guy up so they couldn't,

whoever it was got away, supposedly if it was a guy in a grillo suit, you know. People don't talk about it. My friend, my best friend, actually, we had a conversation other day, and he was so hyped up

about the Russian Yeti. So we watched it together. So we had a conversation about, you know, the Yeti a day. Like, he was so hyped up about it. And then all of a sudden, he kind of said,

well, I don't think that it's true. You got, you know, there's no. evidence, but he went on for like 15 minutes. Then he paused and said, well, my grandmother did say

she saw something in the back of her yard before. That was big and black and Harry, whatever. It didn't come in to the yard. It just stopped at the tree line and it went back into the woods. And I'm listening, he said, well, you know, it could have been

a barren, man. It's barrister in Blair's, Vera, Georgia. But if your grandmother... pop out once in a while like that. Yeah, and usually those people, you know, like he was saying his grandmother, usually they know the difference when they see a bear, especially if they're living out in the woods like that, you know. Absolutely.

Right, right, right, yeah. They, they're not crazy, so. I'm still kind of dwelling on when you were talking to Lake Making. Fighting, yeah, he's yelling. He said he was going at it, like, it was crazy. because he said I mean there's no monkeys in in the States or in Georgia

you know and Yeah that's really fascinating And it's power If you go a mile back It's power line That go from From Farmer in Georgia It kind of stop in Union City

But it goes all the way through Noon in Georgia Going not too far in LaGrange But For a good little bit it goes And I heard that they travel through power lines or something. I don't know.

The joke. No, 100 ones were violent. Okay, okay. Right, so, you know, I want to write you guys and tell you, you know, what I've seen. And, you know, I don't know what it was, but, you know, the black figure went to the woods and with no problem at all. Just when they're, like, he was going to his living room, whatever. So I'm fascinated with, like, there's something out there that people don't, you know, think it's a hoax, but it's truly, it is this. but, you know, I want to get more involved in it.

You know what I mean? I won't get killed, but I want to get more involved. That's a good way to think. Right. That's hilarious. We appreciate you coming on, Chris, and sharing your story with us. Oh, no problem. Thank you guys for having me.

Next on the show we have Bruce from, I believe he's in Washington, but he had an encounter back when he was 17. and it's kind of an interesting encounter. It's multiple witnesses, and I believe he even saw the creature. So I want to welcome Bruce to the show. Hi, Bruce. How are you this evening? Hey, Will.

Well, I think what we'll do is we'll just go right into the meet and have you tell us what you were doing right before the incident and then walk us into the story. Well, the main incident I had was I was going on a hunt trip with my brother. It was just like a one-day trip, and we were going up, you know, the area above Greenwater. Right, right. I know the area well.

We were up there at a place called Dallas Ridge, and we'd just seen like a nice herd of about 25 mountain goats on the side of the road. And we were going up up this side of this mountain that, uh, that curved around going up the mountain and going around it at the same time. And there was a big clear cut underneath it. Above it was real heavy old gross timber. And we'd run into a car out of the road right before we got there. And we had my little nephew with us, and he was like 40, years old, three or four years old, we had to leave him in a car.

We dropped my brother off up around the backside of the mountain. I drove back around and got out to meet him up over the top of the mountain in the old growth timber. Down below the road, the big clear cut had a clear cut all the way down to the bottom of the valley, and then there was like a creek running down the bottom where there was trees, and then the other side of the valley there was another clear cut on the other side of the trees

to see if there was any deer down in the clerks can the whole side of the I saw I seen a big black looked like a stump burnt stump and I kept us I didn't see anything and I looked at that stump again

and then I thought I seen it move and I was like whoa And I thought, oh, and I was like, no, it don't look like a bear. I picked up my scope, and I looked at it through the scope, and it was just amazing what I see. And it looked like a person standing there, a hairy. Step back. I thought it was just run, run back to the truck best as you can. And I was really scared, and I thought to myself, calm down, take a couple breaths.

and I did that and I stepped back up and I looked through the scope again and looked at it and it was exactly just a big, hairy, looked around a little bit. It was looking back and forth, turning its head. You know how everybody says that they turn their whole body when they look around? He wasn't doing that. He was actually turning his whole head, looking back and forth sideways. I was looking, you know, he was probably one. about 200 yards away.

And with the scope, I could see it really good. And I can see his eyes, his hands, his feet. Scared me. I was real scared. I got off running again after I stand the road towards the truck because I thought about my nephew being in the truck. I got about halfway there, and I stopped and went and looked at it again. And I noticed a couple hunters and blaze orange on the other side of the trees

on the other side of the valley walking like right towards it. I caught myself whispering to myself, oh man, you know, get out of there, you guys. He's right there. You're going right at him. Right then, I think it sensed that they were there and grabbed onto this branch and pulled on this tree and screamed like a woman, like a woman getting murdered. That's what it sounded like. A long time, and I was watching it do this, and it went into a deep growl.

kind at the end, like a lower, lower growl instead of the high-pitched screen. That really scared me. I almost took off running again, and I calmed myself down again. I had to take a couple step back and take a couple breaths again and then look up over at him. And those guys, they heard it. I seen them stop and look at each other, and they took off the exact opposite way of where it was. And I was like, oh, good, get out of there.

I didn't see it walk. It was just standing there and it was looking around. Like it almost sensed that somebody was watching it, but it didn't really look towards me like it knew where I was at or knew that I was looking at it. It made those hunters look really small. And it had, it didn't have no skin showing on its face. It was more like the Patterson.

You could hardly even see anything. Right. Bruce, this happened out of the reservation, right? No, this happened up in the... Above greenwater, yeah. Oh, okay. It's like you're heading towards Mount Rainier on Highway 410. Yeah, exactly.

How far do you... He was probably about 200... That was about 200 yards, maybe 250,000 away from him. Okay, so you're quite a distance away from him. when you said that you saw it standing there and you could see it turning its head and doing you know certain movements what do you think it was like doing down there was it just kind of standing there and you thought that it was aware of the other two hunters or was doing something else i think it was i think it was it was either listening for something or maybe there was

another one around that i didn't see that it was maybe paying attention to i'm not sure or if it was just looking around. I don't know. But it kind of looked like it might have been concentrating on listening to something. I think that's what it was doing. You know, we talked about centuries before. It's very possible that was the century for that particular group. Wow.

Yeah. I ended up taking off down to the truck and jumping in the truck with my nephew. And he was saying, you see anything? Do you see anything? And I was like, no, I didn't see nothing. and I was scared and my brother came up shortly after and we drove off

and went on a drown a little bit and went home and I didn't tell them about it I told a couple of my close friends after I got home a couple days later and they got word out to him at a family gathering and he pulled me off to the side and he said, did you see something in the minds? And he was kind of pissed

and I said, yeah, I did. And he goes, man, he said, you know what? You see something up in the mountains like that? You tell me. You don't just, you know, you don't let that stuff slide by. And I was like, man, bro, I was like, hey, I did. I thought you'd think I was crazy or, you know, I didn't know if you'd believe me or not. And I got emotional when, because I was, you know, I kept it bottled up so long

and I didn't tell anybody about it that when he started scolding. to me for not telling him about it. It's really hard to keep it bottled. Yeah, that's why it's good to have guys like you out, like you guys around, to be able to tell a story like this to somebody that actually would believe you, you know? Well, we've been in your shoes, so...

After I had the encounter, I think, for like a year, and I hunted and fished all the time. For about a year, I kind of shied away from both. I still fished around on my reservation a bit, but I didn't, I wouldn't go up in the mountains and go hunting without, you know, a lot of people with me. Four or five people with me. What reservation are you? The muckle street reservation?

Yeah. Let me ask you a question just as far as the muckle chutes. What do they say about these creatures? I tried to get some in for me. You know, when I was younger, I was really curious about the subject. I always wanted to read books. and, you know, I was really interested in it, but when I would try to get some of the elders to talk about it,

they were pretty tight-lipped about telling me. Some of them would tell me some stories about what they'd seen. I really heard any legends or anything like that or beliefs. I kind of had to just find out stuff for myself, pretty much. Yeah, I think that's the case a lot of times, you know, and especially a lot of younger people. You know, I didn't really hear any old, ancient legends or anything like that from them.

Some of them would tell me their little encounters when they've seen them when they were hunting and stuff like I could get out of them. And they pretty much told me to pretty much the warning that I got. Yeah. I was just curious. Like one, when I was doing research from my first book, I called up to Codiac Island and talked to a real nice young lady up there at the tribe, what their history was on these creatures.

And she says, oh, I don't think we have any. So I wanted to get back to it, I thought, well, okay, I'll never hear from them again. And Loandbner, two weeks later, she called back and she says, you know, I talked to some of the elders. It was a real... You have to know the people in order to get them to talk to you, otherwise they won't talk to, like, strangers or anything. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, fascinating account, that's been log up there. And, of course, it's growing back over the years, but that region is different.

Not just the elders, but some of my friends and some of my people. cousins that have encounters and sightings that they've told me about too. Not a much I lived out in Graham by people who live in time period. How big do you think the creature was that you saw? Well, I know the two hunters that were on the other side of the woods from it were a little bit farther away from it from me than it was. And it was closer, so it was naturally going to look bigger, but it made them look, they looked really tiny.

He looked probably at least nine or ten feet tall, and he wasn't a skinny guy either. He was really, really wide, really heavy-looking one, but not, it didn't have the breast or anything. Probably pretty big in the shoulders, too. Yeah, it was really big. It just seemed to, it didn't, you know, it didn't look, didn't have the V shape in its back. It kind of went from head to toe, you know. Right, right. Yeah, the males will be a little stockier for body.

when I had it in my in my sight you know I didn't even realize I was actually aiming my gun right at it I had my crosshairs right on his head and I was like whoa and I kind of I kind of dropped it down and looked away from it and I was like whoa I you know I shouldn't be aiming my gun at this thing because it looked like a person it couldn't have been well we appreciate it Bruce appreciate it coming on yeah hey I'm I'm glad you guys got a hold of me because uh you know I've always on wanted to get this out a little bit more to besides just my closest friends and stuff. I was glad I was glad you guys were interested in my story. And I know in my email I had a couple other sightings too.

I wish we had more time. I mean, there's a few stories I know, too, stories, you know. Well, I'll tell you what we could do, Bruce. We could bring you back on tomorrow night and share more encounters. Yeah, that would be awesome, man. I'd like to talk to you more about, because some of the other two sightings I had were brief sightings, but they were pretty scary because we actually went back and looked, you know, some really obvious signs that something was there.

Cool, ma'am. Hey, thanks for having me on you guys. I really appreciate it. Oh, thank you, Bruce. I love the show, and I just wanted to give a shout out to my big foot buddies, Rob, Doug, and William. the guys that we share our stories together. Well, cool, ma'am. Thank you so much. All right. Thanks a lot, you guys.

All right. Have a good night, ma'am. You too. Well, I know we're going to welcome back Bruce on Sunday to share more of his encounter stories. I know we're running out of time tonight. But we're going to bring him back on Sunday to share more of his stories. And I want to thank everyone for joining us tonight. I don't major, wager. The country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote.

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