Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:492 Best of Sasquatch Chronicles

Episode Date: November 23, 2018

I know a lot of people are traveling this week for the holidays. Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving! I know the holidays can be a rough time for some. Join me tonight as I play some of my best of shows. I have tried to include your feedback. Hope you enjoy!

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquod. Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. I hope you're enjoying some turkey. You'll probably be eating turkey sandwiches for the next week, but I hope you're enjoying the holiday, enjoying a little turkey in the belly, a little football,

and now listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. So thank you so much for being here. You know, as we approach the episode 500, I thought we'd take a quick look back at some of the old shows that I've done. And, you know, it was kind of cool for me to go back and look at some of these old shows and go back and listen to the shows because I rarely do that anymore. I'm constantly trying to produce content, put content out for you guys. I rarely ever stopped to take a breath and actually go back and listen to some of the old shows.

And some of the ones I pulled out, some of the members had recommended, I pulled them out, went back and listened to him. And I thought, you know what, this is actually, I'm doing a good job. I really am doing a good job. I know that seems really arrogant, but it just kind of hit me today when I went back and I was listening to some of these old shows. And, you know, the guests that have come on, the friends that I've made, the information I've learned, it was something special to go back and just listen to some of these shows. And I never thought I'd hit 500 shows. Not in a million years. I thought I would have quit this back at 100 episodes. But I guess I'm still here. One of the shows that I wanted to share with you guys, this one's going way back, episode 41, deathbed confession with Scott. And Scott was basically a missionary, I believe he was Mormon, he was a missionary, going door to door, and he ran into this guy.

And the guy tells a story about killing one of these creatures, and he had evidence. was showing them. I'll tell you a little secret about this show before I play you a clip from it. I'll tell you a little secret about this show. This show almost never aired. And I'll tell you why. I had two co-hosts at the time. I interviewed Scott and set up a time to talk with him. And then I went to my other two co-host and basically gave them the cliff notes of the encounter. And they both came back and said, nah, it doesn't sound interesting enough. Try and find someone else. let's get a different show up. And so I said, okay, here's what we're going to do.

Since I interview the eyewitnesses, I set up a time to do an interview for the show, I produce the show, I know how to work all the levers, as they say in the business, and I do all the editing. I do everything as far as the recording side goes. You guys just show up and give you two cents. I'll tell you what.

You guys figure out the witness for the next show. When you find one, let me know. call me up and then just give me the cliff notes of the encounter. I'll show up behind the mic, give my two cents, plug in my two cents, and you guys figure out the rest. You guys figure out how to put it all together and send it out and everything else with the show. You guys figure it all out.

20 minutes later, we were interviewing Scott. The show went out the same day, and it's become one of my favorites. Take a listen. Growing up, I went on a church mission for my church. It was a two-year mission, and we were in set to two, two missionaries. I served my mission in Sacramento, California. And while I was there, we did a lot of our time. We was just knocking on doors and sharing a message.

One of the men that we came to, we knocked on his door, and he let us in. It wasn't a really good help. We shared a message with him. While we were in his house, we noticed that he had deer and elk mounts on his wall and a big lake trout. And so after our message, my companion, he was from Montana, and he loved to hunting fish. And I was from Idaho, and I loved to hunting.

So, of course, our conversation drifted towards hunting. We had some good stories. We came back two more times to gentlemen. We set up appointments and came back. He let us come back in. And each time we came back in, we'd give our little spiritual thought, but then we'd go right back to hunting. on the third time that we were at his house, my companion was telling him,

you know, I like hunting alone. He goes, I like being out there. I get to see more animals. And so William, this is a man's name. His name was William. I won't tell you his last name. But William said, you know, you shouldn't be out there hunting alone. It's just not safe.

There's things out there that we just need to be left alone. and my companion without even saying a word said, oh, you mean Sasquatch? Williams kind of went blank for a second. He goes, yeah, things like that. Well, it didn't go any further than that. We left that day, and I, of course, I wanted to know with my companion how we met Sasquatch and said,

well, my brothers and my dad were heading up hunting and one crossed the road. And I thought, wow, that's really cool. So he told me that story. And anyhow, the animal crossed the road and went up, and jumped into a wash. We call them washes. It's where water comes down a mountain and cuts out a pretty deep ravine, and it went and jumped in one of these,

and they had no intention of following it. But it was neat to hear his story. Well, we went back to meet with William a couple days later. His landlord said that he was in the hospital. He was sick with emphysema, so we were like, oh, great. Well, we left a phone number, and a couple days later, William called us, said, hey, listen, I'm home from the hospital. come on over.

I want to visit with you boys. And so we went over. And when we got there, he said, I really don't want to hear a spiritual message today. He says there's some things that have been on my mind that have happened to me throughout my life. And I just kind of want to clear him up. And I took it as okay, kind of a deathbed confession, because from the looks of him, he wasn't doing very well. And we didn't know what to expect. We didn't know what he was going to tell us.

but he started in on this. He said this happened back in 71. He said he was a sheriff officer in the Dakotas. He didn't say whether it was North or South Dakota. And he said him and his deputies were approached by an agency of the government to eventually kill one of these animals. William had told us also that these creatures had been kind of a menace in that area. the government decided, I guess, I'm going to do something about it. But William said, didn't really say a lot of details.

He told us that later that a lot of that stuff, he was going to just take to his grave with him. But he had to get some of this off of his mind. But going off the story, he said the government, or I'm sorry, not the government, don't let me use that word. The agency, let's use that word, had already been monitoring these, these creatures. They were living in a canyon. How the whole thing

kind of got going is they'd been monitoring and they were going to go ahead and do the project of taking one of these animals or one of these creatures. And William said it was our responsibility to do the shooting. He said, we were in a four-man

helicopter and when they got there they already knew the plan, but two other helicopters, smaller two-man helicopters had already been pushing these creatures out of the canyon. Well, things think it was planned. The creatures split, went up out of the canyon, both sides, and they did have a female, which we found out later was a female.

She did exactly like was planned. She went right down the canyon, and they had what they guess they called a bait station. I'll explain that a little bit later. But the female was pushed down the canyon, backing up a little bit. when we got there, William had a small box inside that box. He had a cassette, and he had some pictures. He kept this from the agency, unknown by the agency, but I'll tell you that part later, too. So anyhow, he had pictures, he had an audio.

I'll kind of use both of them as I play this out, because that's what he did with us, except for we had the information in front of us. He said that as they pushed the female down the canyon, she eventually come out in a clearing. And it was a small clearing where they had the bait station. And he took one photo, and it's the very first photo, and he had to actually point me where the creature was, the big foot. I said, oh, okay, that's worth that. The next picture I see, she is walking, but there is a youngster behind her. It's probably about, well, I didn't know how tall it was. William said it was about three foot tall.

So it wasn't a baby, but it wasn't, it was still a youngster. And it was following pretty close behind her and the pitcher. The bait station was something I'd never heard of and never seen. And thanks to West, he finally helped me figure it out. They had a oval-shaped tree, pretty large tree. And then this tree were, It's cereal boxes. And I just kind of figure out the cereal boxes.

I knew it was cereal boxes because in one of the pictures it showed a cornflakes box, and I think another one was an apple jack's box. And they were situated all over this tree that looked like a round Christmas tree. About four of the photos, the pictures that he showed us, showed the animal, annoyed by the two helicopters. Only in one of the pictures, actually, if she's coming out of the canyon, do you actually see the bottom skids? or the landing gear of the helicopters,

so you kind of know the other helicopters are there, but they were swinging around and keeping her going towards the Bates Station. We didn't really get any good look at her. Just to make note here, I couldn't tell how big she was. I mean, I guess she had wide shoulders, but when you're taking pictures from the air, the size all go. You don't have anything to judge the size on. If you're on ground level, you can say,

Oh, yeah, this is big as that tree or as fat as that tree, but when you're in the air, it's pointed at the ground, and you don't have anything to judge the size off it. So I can just say that it was a hairy creature. At this point, he played the video, or not the video, but didn't have any video, the cassette tape. And the first three minutes, all you heard was the helicopter blade, which is really kind of annoying.

Then you hear William say, are you loaded? And you can hear that distinctly. And someone else, his deputy, which was his deputy, he said, yes. And then he responds, proceed forward. At this point, William said, I threw the rope ladder out of the helicopter. This is where the other, I want to see four pitchers, but I think it was five pitchers came into play. He was able to snap off because now the creature had turned around. I guess I got to back up here.

I got to back way up. I didn't think about the baby. After the first photo, well, I guess after the second photo, the second photo you see her and her young. Well, William told me that right after they snapped that picture, she darted and she darted into a thicket. And, of course, the helicopter went and chased her out of this thicket. Well, when she emerged from the thicket, there was only one of them.

That was just her, and she hid her young. Anyhow, getting back to the point where I was at, they took several pictures. all of the pictures, by the way, are clear pictures. None of them are fuzzy or what I see on the Internet. These are all clear, the same pictures of the creature. The four pictures that were taken are five pictures that were taken, where she's actually looking up at the helicopter,

she's got her arms up. The wind and the turbulence from the helicopter is making her kind of shield the wind. You can tell from the grass around where she's at that it's just matted down because of the wind. And her hair, you can tell from the pictures that is kind of matted down, like her head and stuff. Just to kind of let you know the state that she was in, she was stressed. I mean, she was disoriented, I would say, confused, really stressed at what was going on. And I can see why.

She had her hands up. I told Wes, I noticed the inside of the hands on the picture. It kind of looked like she put her hands. hands and dirt, kind of a grayish black or something, grayish color. But we got really good descriptions of her face. West kind of asked me about the face, and I said, well, around the eyes and the nose, and I do believe between the nose and the lip, there was no hair. The hair was right above the eyebrows and got thicker that went up towards the top.

She did kind of have, I guess, a cone-shaped head. The head sat right on the shoulders, no necks. The eyes were big. There were black. There was no white to the eyes, just black eyes. She had a flat nose. She had a big mouth, and almost every picture that was taken, her mouth was open. But because of the helicopter and maybe because of the condition she was in,

her mouth was talked kind of sideways. It wasn't just open. It was kind of like she was, I would even look at one of the pictures and say she was growling. had the helicopter grip, blade not been going. She looked like she was, like, really ticked off. And that's just kind of give you a description. Her color was, I would say, almost a black brown. And the photos that then, I guess it's kind of glistening hair,

but the helicopter kind of had it matted down. But anyhow, he throws the rope ladder, and this is where the picture stops. And the audio keeps going. we listen. What he told me is that his deputy climbed down the ladder. When he got near the bottom rung, he reached up to the step just above him, leaped his hand up and over the second step that was above that and pulled his arm down,

so it really just kind of locked him in. I think he did this for his safety in case he slipped off the ladder. He had with him a high-power rifle. He was using a 30-0-6. I was wondering if a 30 out six was a powerful enough gun. I use a 7 mag when I hunt, and I probably would have used a 300 or maybe a 50, 50 grain or something, but he had a 30 out 6. And I climbed down the ladder, and at this point, William's just telling us a story now.

We don't have any more pictures. And he says that he took aim. She still had her hands in the air and shot her point blank right in the chest. So at this point, William has slowed down a little bit. He's probably the emotion, he's emotional at this point. And this is the part that's really probably bugging in his life. And I was at that point wishing I hadn't heard the story. I was like, holy cow.

I mean, after looking at these pictures, how could anyone shoot this thing? I told Wes earlier, I said, you know, this thing looked human in the face, but animal on the body. had an animal body, I would say more animalistic, but his face was more humanistic. He shot her, and as soon as he shot her, she let out this scream,

blood, turtling scream. And it lasted about seven seconds. And seven seconds don't seem long, but on the audio, it seemed like a long time. And the scream was just hideous. I mean, it

is a painful awful scream and even had a I would call it a gurgle scream a little bit of a gurgle scream to it. You had to listen to it to hear it but it just sounded awful. He said as soon as that scream was done

she left and took off towards the canyon and he said that first foot that pushed off her first foot he said I bet she traveled eight to ten yards and I thought wow and he said the second foot He said, it looked just like a long jump jumper as you're getting ready to leap off.

He said, each foot pushed itself further. And he said, she just flew up the canyon. Of course, we're listening to the audio. And also, we hear another gunshot. I'm like, ah, did you shoot her? He said, no. He said at this point, after she took off, her young, immediately tried to follow. But as soon as it got out of the bushes, it got disoriented with the helicopters.

Immediately just stopped. And he said they swung their helicopter over and he loaded another chamber to another shell. And they just shot it right in the head and killed it instantly. Pretty traumatic hearing his story on it. And I just couldn't believe the epic on it. It's just totally wrong. As soon as that shot was taken, their helicopter was motioned to go back to base. And he said we had to get our gunman, his deputy back in the house.

helicopter. So they flung out about 60 yards. He said, while he was climbing them back in the chopper, he said they moved quick. They had to chop their, one of their choppers on the ground, loading the body into a burlap sack, putting it into a net, hooked underneath the helicopter, and they were off. And he went back, and that was basically all. He told us, my companion, then asked him, what happened to the female? Did you ever get a her?

And he just flat out said, I won't go. into that. I'm not going to cover what happened there. Putting that together I kind of thought, you know, probably what happened is she ran up, that canyon expired, seeing that she took a almost a point blank right to the chest.

And maybe they had a run-in with the others trying to come back and get her. And I thought, maybe they did more shooting that we don't even know about. I don't know. I'm just putting some pieces together. Anyhow, he warned us at the end of this. He goes, I'm taking a lot of this to my

grave. He just said, it's probably wise for you guys not to say too much about this. He says, I don't want anything to see happen to you. He actually acquired the camera and the cassette tape. He had it hidden in his lunchbox.

They never checked his lunchbox. He said he was put under oath that he would not say anything to anybody. He said, other than us, too, he had never revealed this. And I told Wes on the phone that I had never told my family or friends or my own personal family.

I haven't told me anybody. Wes was the first one I talked to. But really, on the mission I was on, I had so much going on. I'm in a couple days. I pretty much just put it in the back of my mind and chalked it up for something I wish I hadn't heard, but maybe I'd research later.

Of course, research and stuff like fish, I don't get anything. I couldn't find anything up in Dakota's. So that's basically the story, guys. Still one of my favorites. Thanks so much for hanging out. with me on this holiday weekend as we take a look back at some of my favorite shows. Number nine, I would put the Chabaca Man.

I believe it was episode 147 with Jason from East Texas. Take a listen. Basically, you know, this is a deep east Texas. It's almost to the Louisiana border. This is, I grew up around the Angelina and the Fabine National Fort ticket. two big lakes there and Toledo Ben. And my dad was a land developer in the 70s and going into the 80s there. And he had a business partner, a surveyor, that would go in and break these lots up.

They would build roads. And then he would sell them off these acre plots. And so this business partner and my dad lived in the Sabine National Forest. And this is, I guess if you want to know where it kind of is, there's towns like Center, Texas that's in Panola County, San Augustine, Texas, hemp hill. It's right there close to the Louisiana border. The Sabine River actually runs right through there, doesn't it?

Right, right. The Sabine River opens up into Toledo Bend Reservoir, which is a huge lake that runs. Oh, I don't know how many miles that lake runs, but it's a huge lake there that borders Texas in Louisiana. And they have highways, you know, bridges that go over the lake into Louisiana. So, you know, he had developed some campgrounds around there and things like that. but this surveyor lived down there and, you know, sometimes on a Saturday my dad would go and visit him. And he had his office, the surveyor had his office kind of beside his house. Deep in the woods, you had to go down a farm market road and break off down a dirt road. And sometimes my dad would ask me to come down there with him, to visit with him, because he had a kid that was about my age. And I was about 11 years old, and the surveyor's son was probably about 9 years old.

He was actually a couple of years younger than me. But he was, you know, my dad would take me down there and we would play. I would play with the surveyor's son, and we would hang out in his backyard. And beyond his backyard was just, I mean, woods, It's just pine, pine trees and deep East Texas woods. And we would play out there. This one particular time, the incident, we were playing, and he looked up at me.

Chabaca man lives down that trail. And I said, Chabaca man, he says, yes, that a man, a hairy man down there lives down that trail. And I said, all right. he says you want to see him and I said yeah and I was I was a couple of years old older than him and I don't know if he was playing make believe I don't know what we were doing but you know I said yeah show me show me Chabaca man and so we headed down this little trail that was kind of in his backyard but it led deep in the woods and I followed him down there and we went a pretty good ways I was getting surprised we were getting

far away from the house. It was late in the afternoon, so the sun was getting ready to set, but we went down this little thin trail and we got to this deadfall.

And, you know, a tree and some limbs and brush had fallen over. I don't know if it had been bush hogged over, but it was just a big fall that kind of blocked that trail. And I looked around and he said, this is it. This is where he is. And he said, I'll call him. And so he said, I'll call him up. He gave this, you know, this whooping sound. And we didn't hear anything.

And he did it again. And I started hearing cracking and footfalls and walking a distance away but headed towards us, towards this deadfall, behind this deadfall. And it kept coming and all of a sudden I heard, you know, real heavy breathing, you know, just, whew, I thought it sounded like a horse. And so I thought he had called up a horse. So I kind of got, you know, relieved a little bit. And I was like, he's just called up some kind of horse. And, you know, he's just called up some kind of horse and he was caught he kept calling him and about that time i heard a word it was a sound it was i don't know how to describe it but i remembered it went just like a a deep word and it's and it startled it got my attention real quick and it got serious real quick and i knew there was

something other than a horse behind that deadfall, and he kept calling it real sweet, like a kid would. He would go, come on, come on. And it would move, and limbs started to kind of crack and move behind that deadfall. And my eyes widened, and I took a few steps back. And I was like, what in the world? I said to TJ, I said to him, I said, what is that? And then this sound, it went just a huge percussive sound came from behind that deadfall.

And it punched me in the stomach. It totally floored me and my stomach dropped. And I froze like real fear, just freezing. you down. And Tommy was unafraid. I mean, T.J. was unafraid. He said, he said, come on, come on.

And he goes, Chevacca, and he kind of sings to it. And it was creeping me out. And this thing started having a fit. It pulled limbs from that deadfall. I could see him slide out away.

And they were slamming on the, on the ground. and this thing was, I mean, grunning and slamming the limbs, breaking limbs. And I just kind of came out of my stupor. And I looked at Tommy. He turned around slowly and he said, he doesn't like you. He doesn't like you here. And I turned on a dime and took off running.

And Tommy yells, wait. And I said, no, no, come on, let's go, run. And I took off running. I ran down that trail, and this thing gave chase a few yards away at first, and then it kind of went deeper away. It circled around, and I was running as fast as I could. I didn't care about TJ. I didn't care.

I was just running. Limbs were slapping me in the face. I was trying to get back to that house. and this thing rounded it around, and I could, I look to the side over my shoulder at times or to the side of the woods where I could hear it running with me. And I could see a big black figure. It wasn't, it wasn't a horse. It wasn't a cow. It was a tall, slender, big black figure.

I could see the stride of its legs running. at times, in and out of that brush. And it circled around, and it was beating me. It was beating me back to the trail. It was getting ahead of me. And I started to panic because I thought it's going to cut me off on that trail. And I screamed, I screamed, Daddy, Daddy! And at that second, the brush just came to a halt.

This thing just stopped. as soon as I started calling for my dad. I ran into that backyard. I ran up to that, and I grabbed my dad, and he said, what's wrong, son? And I explained it to him. I was telling him something was chasing me. T.J. comes running up behind me. He doesn't say a word.

He just kind of just is unaffected. And my dad said, well, you know, I don't know what that was. You're okay now. You're all right. and the surveyor said, well, we've got a neighbor that, you know, lives down the way, and sometimes their goats get out. I bet an old goat chased you out of that trail and this and that. And my dad said, go wait in the car. We're about to go.

I go and get in the car and I talk the doors. and I'm panicked and I'm scared and Tommy T.J., I called him. Kim's walking around and I rolled down the window and I said, what was that? What was it?

And he says, I told you Tobacco Man was back there. And I said, what was it, though? And he said, it's the boogey man. It's Chabaca Man. and my dad got in the car. I rolled up the window. I saw Tommy walk to the back of the house.

As we drove home, I told my dad all about it. I told him what I saw, that it wasn't a goat that chased me out of there. And he, you know, yeah, okay, you're all right. You know, well, I don't know what it is, but you're okay now. and we drove away. And, you know, one of the things, what's so crazy about this is I remember at the deadfall, there was a lot of snack packages. There were crackerjack boxes open.

There were little Debbie snack cakes opened. It's like this kid had been going down there and feeding this thing. And it just, it creeped me out. And it is a story in my childhood that I've kept, and I don't tell anybody. I told my dad, I told my best friend who still lives in East Texas, and I'll get to that. But it was a, it's just a story that has been in my childhood that has always scared me. At the time, I didn't really think Bigfoot, that's Bigfoot. I'm an Eagle Scout.

I was in scouting. A couple of years after this thing happened to me, we got to go, our scout troop got to go camp out in the Big Thicket. And there is the Alabama-Kashada Indian Reservation that is in the big thicket there. It's near Woodville, Texas. And somehow they arranged for us to camp out. there. And we did. And we were around the campfire at night. And all of a sudden, the chief or a councilman or somebody came in with two braves, and they were part of the reservation. They were all

dressed up. They had their shirts off. They had paint on them. And it was real neat for us to see these guys come in, these Indians, and they sat down at our campfire, and the chief started talking and telling us stories, and he was very good. He, you know, he would throw something in the fire, and the sparks would light up, and, you know, the forest seemed to accent his stories. He was, he was just very good. And we were, all the scouts, we were just glued to him, you know, listening to him. And he began to tell this story of the hairy man of the woods. You know, it wasn't, it wasn't a story of this, you know, nice, you know, thing. It was a, the wild man of the woods that we battled for years and who would take our children and would kill you and

drag you away. And it was a horrible, you know, it was a horror story of, of, and he described a bigfoot creature. And, you know, he said the words, big foot of today, you know, and, and, and then it kind of, then that, when he told that story, it kind of hit, um, a nerve. I'm like, oh my gosh, that thing, the Chbacca man, this thing that, you know, was out there, you know, immediately it clicked and I'm like, it was a Bigfoot. It was something out there. And from then on, I was kind of, you know, anything about Bigfoot, my ears would go up and any show I was interested in. And then I get a call a couple of weekends ago from the friend that I told this story to.

And like I said, I told it to my dad. I've told it to my wife, and I've told it to my best friend growing up, and he is a deputy sheriff in a county in East Texas right now, and he's on the night patrol. And he calls me, and he says, I have got to tell you something that happened to me, and I am, I'm busting. I've got to tell someone, and you told me this story of this Tobacco man when we were kids, and this thing that I saw this weekend, I'm telling you this is it. And he proceeded to tell me a story. So he was on patrol, and there's a stretch of road, an old farm market road that is near the Angelina Forest, and it is a long straight road.

and he said people have called in complaining about kids going out there racing and they would they would race up and down this straight long road it was not near any residential areas deep out in the forest they called in and said hey they're racing on the wrong side of the road they're going to kill somebody and there were a lot of complaints so he made that part of his patrol and he had been going out there on Friday and Saturday nights to patrol that area and try to catch these kids racing and get them off the road. So he said there's a lot of, you know, places on that stretcher road where he could back into and there's one dirt, old dirt road in particular that he had backed into a couple of times.

and this particular night, it was actually a few Friday nights ago, and he backed in, he shut everything down. All the lights went down, and he waited, and he was setting up a speed trap, waiting for these kids to come through.

And he said, he waited there about 15, 20 minutes, and he said the cruiser was running. He had the Tahoe, is what he was what he's assigned to. And he said the cruiser was running, but he had shut all the lights down and shut his laptop down

and was just there in the dark. And he said, I'm ashamed to say that I drifted off to sleep. I started Dozing Off. He says there was a pop on the radio and he woke up and had to shake himself awake and pulled up.

up and got him a drink of water. He said when he turned to throw the water back in the seat, he looked over and in his passenger window was a face just staring in the window. And he jumped back. He said, man, I pushed myself all the way to the, to the bagam door. And I looked, he said, man, I was looking at something I have never seen. He said, I actually screamed out. And its breath was starting to fog the window. And he saw a massive face, high cheekbones, dark face. He said its eyes were inset deep.

It looked like it was two black marbles in his eye sockets. And his nose was flattened. he said as soon as he turned and looked at it, it stood up and its face pulled away, and it gave him a, like a grimace, it gave him a, you know, just a look. And he said, he goes, man, I've never, ever been so scared in my life. He said, I turned and I hit every light on that cruiser. I threw my cherries on. He said, I threw the spotlight on.

I hit the brake light in the back. and he said, that's when I saw it, walk on the backside of the cruiser to the back. And he hit the brake lights, and the red lights lit up in the back. In his rearview mirror, he saw its back light up. He could see the inset of his spinal cord and the layover of the hair.

He thought, in his opinion, it was seven foot tall. He turned around and looked back. and saw it walk out of the reach of the lights. He said it wasn't like a big, fat, giant thing. It was a, he said it was a big seven-foot. He said it kind of had a stoop to it. It stooped over, wide, wide shoulders and muscular, but not just huge, just kind of lanky is what he said.

And he goes, it just calmly walked away from the, those lights. And he said, just then he put it into driving and sped out of there in fear. He said, I could not bring myself to get my sidearm, step out of the vehicle, and call on this thing. He said, I could not do it. I was that struck by fear. And he sped out of the dirt road, got on the main road, turned around, threw up all of his lights, and headed back. down the dirt road to see if he could get it in his high beams, he drove down. He said, it was gone. Just like that, it just disappeared like a ghost. He went down about a half a mile till he just said, and I'm getting out of here. He turned around. He said the whole time he had

his cherries on, he had his lights on, lighten up the woods, he spotlighted. He didn't see anything. And he turned around and left out of there. And when he called me, he was, I mean, freaked out like I'd never heard him. And he says, man, he goes, unless it was a freak out there in a gilly suit or some hunt or coon hunting out there, it was a bigfoot. It was a big foot. And he says, I cannot believe this is Texas. I cannot believe, you know, what I saw. He says a damn hunter would not be messing with a police cruiser at 11 o'clock at night.

You know, who gets shot. Let me ask you, how did he react when you originally told him your encounter story? All those years ago, oh, I don't know. He says, you know, yeah, yeah, whatever, you know, there's, There's not a big foot. You know, that's not really, you know,

that type of thing. And yeah, and then I go, yeah, I know, because you don't want to get any fun of. So, but,

you know, and with Bigfoot, I've always been since that, since I've had that weird thing. And in my past, like I said, I've always been like, you know,

listening for it. I've always been an enthusiast. I'm not a big footer. I'm not a guy that goes out looking for this. you know, this kind of just, this story, him calling me, was a big surprise. And he was just floored. He could not believe what he saw. And he says, you know, you don't tell anybody, none of our friends.

I'm telling you this because you're my friend. And he's in law enforcement. He's not going to. not going to talk about it to anybody but me. And the Chabaca Man is definitely another one of my favorites. Gosh, I love that show. That's really digging back in the archives.

The next one I want to share with you is episode 439, The Alabama White Thing. And a lot of people email me afterwards. They're like, it's not thing, it's thang. Take a listen. This is Nathan from Alabama. Well, what the place is,

It's We live on a plateau We're a mountain To y'all it wouldn't be a mountain But to us here It's foot hills of Appalachans And there's valleys That border the Tennessee River on one side

And there's basically this plateau Raps around them And you'll just go over one ridge Down into another valley And these series of valleys It's a Greenbrier Cove Parkes Cove

Cloud Cove and Newsome Sinks. And what these have been since long time before my time was just wilderness areas. There has been some paper companies that owned the timber rites to these places.

But for years and years they went untouched. Very few people lives in any, I mean, nobody lives in Newsom seats. But when I was 17,

which would have been 1986, my dad was heavy into coon hunting, and I was, anything that I'd got to do to spend time with him is what I did. And I got a, a young dog that wasn't, it wasn't very good,

but dad had a dog that was an exceptional coonhound, and he would let me take, whether he went or not, he'd let me take his dog with me to, to hunt with my young dog to make it better. And we went to this place, it's frequent, and I knew it, Wells, Greenbar Cove. And when we went, me and a couple of friends of mine, we went down to hunt one night, to a dad's dog. Well, we was there probably maybe an hour for getting around 10 o'clock at night,

because it was in the fall of year, but the time hadn't changed back, so it got, it got dark, late and we were the dogs treeed and we started to them and we got pretty close to where they were treeing and something ran them off the tree they just they just completely quit tree and now for for my young dog that would have been cause for the course but dad's the dad's dog would be it didn't quit tree it if you didn't go get it it would be there the next day tree in the tune, but it was something around them off the tree. So I actually thought it was probably somebody. So I thought I would call the dogs in.

We'd go somewhere else or go home or whatever. And when I started to call them, and I've heard it describe this way on your show hundreds of times, it sounded like a bulldozer coming down through the woods. And it came within probably 50 yards of us. And then it stopped and started making a, all the way around us. Making as much noise, I mean,

it really had to try to make that much noise. At first, assumed it was probably somebody trying to scare us. But it didn't take long to figure out that that wasn't what it was. And it continued to make this circle. Because, you know, scaring somebody that's hunting and armed,

that's a pretty dangerous thing. I decided it probably wasn't somebody. And it continued to make this circle. circle. What we did, we waited until it got on what would be the far side of the way we needed to go when we started to walk back towards the truck. Well, at this time, we hadn't found the dogs or anything of that sort. So we was making our way back to the truck, and it followed us. It never did get to where we could see it.

Well, I say it was making noise. That never threw anything at us that I know of us. but it followed us all the way back to the truck. And we went home and basically got bigger guns and went back. We got down there and instead of going up the logging road where we had encountered it the first time, we parked on what would be the main road. And I got out and I started to call the dogs. Well, the young dog came and we put it in.

the truck, but dad's dog still hadn't came. And then this sound, this whatever this was, came tearing back down through the woods and stopped out in the woods far enough where we couldn't see it. Probably say 25, 30 yards and pretty thick brush. It stood there and it breathed. It was the most unnerving thing. It would just breathe. And you could hear it was a raspy echo and kind of breath.

because we were in like a holler and and it just echoed all around you. And it would move from side to side, you know, from place to place, sort of parallel in us. And

when it would move, it would make noise and shake bushes and whatnot. Well, we went home. Because Dave dog had stayed out many nights. So the next morning, I got up to go back.

And my friends had went home, so I went back by myself. And I parked on the main road, and I walked up this logging road, where we were hunting close to where they were treeed the night before. And I got probably maybe a mile at this road. And I stopped and was getting ready to call the dog, but he came to where I was. I looked up and he was coming down outside of the mountain, so I just waited for him. and he got to me and I leaned over a snap flee showing him when I stood up probably 75 yards back down the road from the way I came there was a for like a better word of big foot standing in the middle of the road looking at me

it was a it was either a white or a dirty gray it was and and like I said before it's its shoulders And arms, as opposed to its leg, looked like it was two completely different creatures. Its shoulders were big and broad and basically no neck with long arms. And I remember its fingers. His fingers were long. But the legs, the legs seemed out of place compared to the rest of it. So, at this, I wasn't quite sure. And I've never been the nervous type.

And it wasn't, at no time did I feel like it won't, it just watched. Didn't show any aggression. So I turned and walked the other way. Well, there's a cabin with old guy lives in the cabin up in the end of this holler and had lived there all my childhood with no electricity. It's basically a hermit. And so all I need to do is walk to his house. so I walk and before you get to his house you come out in an open field

and you cross that field for probably 100 yards 150 yards and his house is sitting right up in the edge of the woods on the other side so me and the dog would go to his house I walk it knock on the door and he comes to the door and I go in and I sit and we talk and at the time I really didn't say what what's that over you know and it had followed me too there, but it stopped out in the edge of the woods across that field

and watched me cross the field and go into the house. Well, I sit there probably 30 minutes talking with this guy, and his name is Aubrey, and Aubrey Irvin, and I can tell you that because he's long since dead. But he, finally he said, I guess you want to know what that he has following you. I said, well, now that he's, since you mentioned it, I would.

He said, I have no idea. He said, it comes and takes things off my porch. He said, it walks around here all the time. But he said, it's never bothered anything. Now, he says, there's others that do bother things. There's others that you need to watch for. But he said, the one that's followed, he said, he follows me all the time. And he said, for lack of better word, he said, I think he's the boss.

He said, he seems to keep the others. and check. Well, I got ready to go. It was getting late, and he offered to walk me back to my truck. So we walked out of the cabin, and we started across this field, and it was still standing there watching. And we walked straight towards it. Well, somewhere probably middle ways in that field, it just disappeared. It went somewhere else. And we walked by where it was standing. And they talked about the pung of odor. I could smell or odor sounded like. It smelled like, I won't say rotting me, but it sounded like maybe infection, or it smelled like infection, you know, like a injury on an animal or something. Right.

Yeah. But it was, it was a pretty strong smell. I mean, it wasn't overbearing. We walked past right where it was standing watching us. We walked past this point on into the mouth of the logging road that goes back down where I was parked. and when we got about probably 75 yards the other side, it came back out behind us and followed us all the way to the truck.

Well, we got the truck, I put the dog in the truck and asked Mr. Albre, do you want me to drive you back to your cabin? I think I can make it through there. It was a muddy road, but, you know, I thought I could make it. He said, no, it's never bothered me. He said, the others might threaten most, but he said, it has never bothered me. And he said, when I go outside, it's always around.

he went walking back to his cabin and I've seen him since so I know it didn't hurt him and I went home. Of course, I told dad about it and dad told me I was crazy and that I was, it was my imagination, but, and I was disappointed to find out, you know, I started talking to some of the old people. And there's been a legend around here for a long time longer than I've been here about the white thing. The old people called it the white thing. and they basically always gave the same description. There was a guy that. It came up on his porch,

and this was probably in the 50s, maybe early 60s. He said it came up on his porch. He said it had it back to him, but it was taller than an 81-inch door standing on his porch. Then there was a guy over here that he said his grandfather shot it. And he claimed that when he would shoot it, it would pull hair out and stick in the, in the bullet holes.

I don't think it was probably doing that, but it was probably was grabbing, it was shooting it with a 22. It was probably grabbing where it was hitting him. So when dad was, the whole time dad was telling me, it was my imagination. He's,

he's been hearing these stories always. Well, even when I was, before this encounter, I always believed that Bigfoot exists. I don't know why. I just always felt like I knew. I've studied this subject since I was a little boy.

Of course, then I studied it with a kid's mind. Now I study it with an adult mind and try to figure out everything I can possibly figure out about it. And the more I think I learn, the more I realize I really don't know. Yeah. Isn't that the case? You know, when you really start, I mean, you hit it right on the head, Nathan. I mean, you start looking into it and all of a sudden you're

realize how little you actually know. I didn't mean to cut you off, though. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. I mean, that's why I wanted to talk to you because I've been sending the emails, but I'm new at this computer stuff, so I never knew if they was getting through or not. But I wanted other opinions on what I think. And we can talk about that. I kind of want to go back to this creature that you saw. You'd mentioned a comment about its legs didn't match its upper body. Can you explain what you mean by that? And can you kind of go into any details as far as did it appear to be more monkey-like? Did it appear to be more human-like? Was there any details that you remember? Yes. The hands, the hands were very much human-like. The fingers were

very long. Have you ever, I know you have, but a really tall guy, have you ever noticed their hands? Yeah, the fingers are a little longer. reminded me of very long fingers. But what I mean by the legs being different than the shoulders, it's like the legs were small in comparison to the upper body. I work out and I've been a power lifter most of my life. And I see guys come in the gym and this is what it reminds me of. Guys come in the gym and some guys,

they'll come in, they work all their upper body and not their legs. So they got these massive shoulders, these massive arms. and very small legs. And the legs weren't small by any means, but compared to the upper body, they were small. And I'm thinking it was probably, probably from that distance,

probably seven feet tall. I went back and looked at some limbs that it stood, you know, comparison to where its head was. I'm thinking seven, seven, four, seven six, something like that.

The skin, now, it was either white or a very dirty gray, you know, it was either dirty white or a gray, is what I'm trying to say. And its skin was a little darker, but a grayish look. So that made the facial features a little hard to distinguish at that distance, but the eyes. The eyes were, seemed to be insid a little bit with a brow reed. a really pronounced brow ridge because the eyes were sort of shady but they were black they were so dark and I sort of credited to the light the lighter coat makes them look that much darker they just look like two black holes is what they look like the head was it was somewhat cone-shaped but there were the hair on the head and the upper shoulders seemed to be quite a bit longer. The lower down its body it went, it was, the hair got thinner and shorter. But it looked a lot like the hair on a person's head, not fur.

If that makes sense, you know, fur is, well, it's fur. This was hair. It was very matted, looked like a very unkempt, a homeless person. you know, the way sometimes their hair is unkept. Right. And man, that's what it looked like. It looked like,

it looked very dirty. And the impression I got from this particular creature was, it was old. I don't know if it's, I don't think as many sirens and as wide range as the white thing has been seen that this was not the only white Sasquatch in our area.

but maybe or in Alabama, but maybe the one in our area that people saw. And it struck me as being wise, like it had an intelligence, which on your show, I hear people talk about how smart they seem to be. And what I found from being a hunter and an outdoorsman, most animals in their own world,

in their environment, are smarter than we are. It was, it had it had a thought process a not just a you know most animals

have a survival instinct a fight or flight kind of mentality where their their sole existence is to eat and sleep and exist

for the benefit of whatever praise on them but that wasn't what I got from this what I got from this it has a you know a thought process a life a it has desires and and thoughts and and it wanted to know things it watched every move I made it would never get to where it couldn't see me it would not get any any closer that it's like it drew a line so I'm not going to get any closer than this to him but it stayed where could see me all the time.

And in the terrain I was in, sometimes that would be 75 yards. And sometimes in the thinner areas, it could drop back to 100 or 125 yards. It didn't want to be any closer to me than it was. But now the night before the two encounters, they were, to say the least, they wanted us gone. They didn't want us anywhere around doing anything that we was doing. and I feel like that that situation could have escalated to a really bad thing because there was a lot of aggression in the in the actions of them

and I studied over years large primates and the way they act when they feel threatened or when they're when you're encroaching on their territory and that was a lot what it seemed like like maybe not exactly a mock charge, but basically the same principle. Making a lot of noise, shaking a lot of bushes, like saying, hey, you need to leave. Yeah. No, I understand what you mean. I've experienced that firsthand.

So you think it was probably two separate creatures because this one wasn't acting like that at all. Well, the old guy, right, the old guy up in the cabin said there was more and said there were some that you had to watch for. That's why when we made it back to the truck the first time, I went home and I had, the only thing I had bullet for was a 30-30. Which a 30-30 will bring down about anything you shoot with it if you know how to use it. And I've hunted all my life. I mean, I'm a crack shot with about anything that I use.

So I got my 30-30. I had seven shells for it. I put them in there and we went back because I felt like, what on the word? This thing is big. And I need to level this playing field a little bit. it's not it's not going to run me out it's not going to prevent me from doing the things that I enjoy doing and it's not going to run me away from anywhere but I need the level the playing field yeah no I understand I understand and so you go and tell your dad he doesn't really believe you

you had this previous night encounter and then you had the visual was there any more encounters with this thing well actually let's let's let's let's fast forward probably 1987 until the last six years. They done some logging down there where that encounter was. They've built a wedding chapel

and some cabins down there and people frequent that area more. Actually, the logging road that I had the encounter on is now a driveway going to this wedding chapel. Okay, and when my son and my daughter was, and

my son was in junior high school, in the East 29 now, their mother and her boyfriend, her husband, built this wedding chapel in the cabin, and that's where they lived. And one night, my children were dropped off from a ball game

at their house, which, like I say, this logging road is now their driveway. And while they were trying to get their keys to get the door open, there was something coming up the driveway, screaming, making,

and you've heard, it and I can't do it. I've done it out in the woods a few times, but I wouldn't even try on the air. But it was screaming coming down driving. Every time it screamed, it was closer. Well, they got in the house, and that was the end of that encounter. But probably eight or nine miles over at their mother's sisters, one night, my son and her kids were jumping on a trampoline.

and playing outside with the floodlights on that night. And he looked over in the edge of the woods, and the gray, the white thing, whatever you'll call it, was standing there watching at probably 60 or 70 feet, just standing there. Of course, they got scared. They were kids. They got scared.

They went in the house. Okay, fast forward to the last six years. This place that I've been telling you about Newsome sinks. All it is, it's sink holes, it's caves. If you can go down to our county seat and you can get a, you can look at a map of the way these caves run underneath this mountain that we live on. And this place is no good for building. It will never be developed. They have logged off one end of it, but there is thousands of acres between right here across the road from my house and to where they start logging a few miles down the road.

There's thousands of acres right in there that has never been touched. that nobody goes to. Okay? You come up out of that, that valley, right up on about a quarter of a mile across the road from my house in the woods. And there's an old barn. The woods come up right behind this old barn right over across my house. And it's probably been three years ago or maybe four years ago.

My wife saw it. She was down here in the yard feeding the cats at her barn. And she looked across over the old. barn and the trees sort of drape over the back of it and it was a bright moonlit night and you can see through this alleyway behind this old barn the moonlight behind it and she saw the silhouette of it and she said also that it was gray and a few nights later she came up here and got me and said that they were she saw two red eyes so i walked down there and sure enough that across the road.

You've got to walk across the road, across the little open place to that old barn. You can see two red eyes up pretty high and probably several inches apart. And I had my pistol, so it was 44 magnitude, and I, and my flashlight,

and we started walking over that way. And I walked towards it to it either closed its eyes or it moved. And then I didn't go any further because I couldn't account for where it was at. As long as I could see the eyes, I knew where it was at. and I at least had something to shoot at. When it closed its eyes or moved or whatever it did,

I didn't go any further because I just didn't feel like it was the smart thing to do. Several times off in these sinks, you can hear it scream. When I was a kid, it would make it sound like an eye who. I mean, what animal does that? That's interesting because I've heard that before, and I always thought it was saying Yahoo, but I've heard something very similar. here in Washington State.

I was like, is this saying Yahoo? It could be. It could be. And it would do that. I mean, I've heard that thousands of times. Thousands of times. A friend of mine lived when we were kids. We would spend the night and sleep outside.

And when I was a kid, I would not camp out outside because when I was little, I was afraid of everything. I was, I was afraid of Bigfoot. and I don't even know where my first knowledge of Bigfoot came from. I mean, the first Bigfoot thing I remember was $6 million man with Andre the Giant. But this was a common topic among the kids around here.

And I don't know, and I really don't know where it come from. My mother would, and this was to the point I'd get out of school bus about 15 minutes before my mom got home. and I would run from window to window looking out to make sure Bigfoot wasn't out there. This really tormented me when I was a kid. This terrified me. And I am, I'm a praying man. And I spent all my childhood praying for the Lord to make me not afraid of things

because it really affected the things I did when I was a kid. Was it mainly? When my kids would have to spend night party outside, I wouldn't go. And I know it probably didn't happen like this, but I went to bed one night afraid of everything. I got up, I was afraid of nothing, and the fear was replaced with curiosity, and I just got to know.

I try to find out everything I can find out about it. I wanted to ask you, did you feel that way because of hearing the noises and just kind of some of the stories that were going on around there before you had your sighting? That's very possible. That's very possible because the fear was, like when I was a small kid.

When I overcame that park, since then I ain't never been afraid of anything or anybody since and it was replaced with intrigue and the stories that the old people used to tell and the yeah possibly it could be

it could be because I lived around a lot of hunters and I would sit and listen to them tell the stories the story about when the guy saw it on his porch the porch that it was on was the custodian's house of the grade school that I went to,

where he said its back was to him, but all he could tell for sure that it was gray and it was taller than an 81-inch door. It was sort of standing under the stoop of his porch, and it was sort of leaned over. And that was episode 439 with Nathan, the Alabama White Thing. I really enjoyed that show.

This one was recommended by several members. This is episode 416. I hit one with my car. and this is when I spoke to Bo. Bo was extremely nervous to be on the show. Take a listen to his encounter. My encounter happened in the year 2000, you know, it's 19 years old. But before that, you know, the setting, there's a, live here in Urbana, Ohio.

There's a lake, and it's surrounded by woods that a family friend of my parents owns and has been in their family for years, and it's kind of been a, a camping spot for a bunch of us families to go out there and get away. And it used to be an old gravel pit back in the 50s and 60s, and they kind of made it into a lake. And it's surrounded by woods. And I couldn't tell you how big it is, but it's off route four. You know, I'll tell you, that's, you know, if you look anywhere on Google Maps,

off Route 4 kind of by Springfield, you know, you'll be able to see it. I've looked at it a couple of times. So it just, you know, we've always went out there and with my mom and dad growing up, it's, it's just, it's, it's, it's, uh, real secluded. You know, we call it the lake and it's, it's private. They keep it, they keep it pretty private, you know, they got a gate and there's a lot of fences back there through the woods, you know, to kind of to keep it secluded, you know, and I, you know, I remember growing up, you know, just always going out there. And always I remember now, you know, I think a lot of people back then knew a lot more about what was going on out there than what they ever told. You know, I mean, I think even my mom, you know, knew a lot too. You know, just as being kids growing up out there, always from camping, the subject of Bigfoot really wasn't talked about, you know, a whole lot.

You know, especially because you were kids, you know, and it's scarce. us, but I know one thing, though, they'd never let us venture off in the wood by ourselves. There's always an aunt or an uncle or somebody out there who keep an eye on us. And now looking back, it always felt like something you were being watched. You know, I hear that people say that on your show, and now I look back like, you know, I always felt the same way, but, you know, I always felt like just creepy out there, you know, And there's all this is wildlife out there and it's woods for a couple miles. And like I said, just real secluded.

But, well, yeah, my counter, in the year 2000, at the year I graduated, through high school and everything, me and are my buddies, you know, we'd always go out there to that lake. And, you know, there is a lodge out there and a little cabin. And being in high school, we take our beer and whatnot and go out there and party on the weekends. It was our little getaway. And it's, I couldn't tell you. I know it was warm out.

It was the summer of 2000. We were out there partying. And I couldn't run to exactly what time. I know it was late, maybe one or two a. You know, at night one in the morning. And I remember, you know, of course, saying by to everybody. You know, there's a long lane that goes back to the lake.

I had a 95 Pontiac Grand Dam and it was a four-door. I had all my windows down and I was leaving and I remember when you pull out to the gate, you know, where you get on to the road there, I'd make a left, the head towards, that's the way I would take it back to my house. Well, you know, being a kid probably had a buzz or whatnot, you know, being a stupid kid, well, I turned left and I remember hitting the gas. I hit in the gas really quick and took off. And I think it was about 75 to 100 yards.

I got there on the road. But, you know, it's the road. There ain't really no cars on a whole lot at nighttime. And it got to probably maybe 50, 560 miles an hour. You know, I got there pretty quick. Out of the left side of the road, which was the other side of the road, coming across. and I only seen it for like, I only had a split second to see it.

It was a two foot tall. Now I know what it was. Back then, I was so lost and freaked out over what this thing was. But it was a little two foot tall, Harry. What I know now was, what you call it a juvenile big foot, was running across the road. And it literally ran right into the front side, the front side where my headlight is,

So the car, and I kind of hit it on top of him running into it. And I remember his head, his face was right there in my headlight. Like I said, I think I even had my brights on. So I've seen his face, you know, and everything. And the impact, since then, you know, I've hit a couple of dears, you know, and that was some serious impact. I didn't know how much impact them are when you hit them. but when I've hit them deers lately,

I look back, like, that's how much, for as little as this thing was, that it was almost a distinct impact. Like this thing, on top of it, running across the other side of the road, right on the side of my car, it was a hard hit. And, you know, and like I said, all my windows were down. I don't think I had the music on real loud,

but when he hit my headlight, lit his whole face up. And it was just the hard impact. And I remember it did. He flew backwards. I remember him flying back. And his facial expression, it was just like when he was running across the road, I think it wasn't like he was down on all fours.

But I think like he might have been for a second. But I remember I just have this image of him being on like three, like have one of his hands down. kind of coming up at the last second, maybe to where he was on two legs when I hit him. Like, he knew that it was coming. And I know his head went right until my headlight. And, you know, like I said, the headlight lit his whole face up. And I'll tell you the details here in a second of what I've seen.

And so, and he flew back. And at this moment, I'm hitting the brakes. But one thing that stuck in my head still at this day is when I hit it, and it's flying back. And I don't want to how to explain it. Like, if you heard somebody fall on the concrete, hit their head on the concrete, he couldn't hear that thump, you know, that like, again,

that's, I, I, I swear, I heard that thump, like, when he flew back on the concrete, like, at that moment, it was, like, right beside me. You know, I heard that thump, like where I fake his head just hit the concrete super hard. And I know I hit the brakes, The impact was hard enough to slow me down a little bit, you know. And I just, as I hit the brakes, I didn't really come to a, I didn't come to a stock.

But as I was slowing down, at that moment, I had no idea what just what that was, what, but I know, you know, what I seen. Like I said, my high beam, and I caught, you know, I've seen it all, you know, his hair, it's her or, you know, as I was slowing down. And I didn't know. I don't think I remember if I knew if I should stop. But once I got slowed down, that's when I heard that roar, a scream that I've heard people you guys talk about, you know, on your show. And it's one until last year that I've been watching your show. And I think all this stuff that I've heard from your show, I can relate back.

Like, I've heard people on your show say, you hear that scream, that roar, it rattles their insides. And for years, I swear, that's what I've heard. fell. Like I just, when I, you know, I think I got down to maybe, I'm guessing, 30, 35 hours an hour because I didn't know whether to stop or to go. And that roar out of the woods, I didn't see where it was coming from, but I did hear, like, brush and trees moving. And, you know, I just heard that, that roar, you know, and I don't even, I even remember all my windows are down. And I kind of clenched up for a second, and I don't feel today, I don't know how I hit the gas

to go, but I hit the gas and it just totally put me in shock. I didn't know what just happened, and so I'm hitting the gas, and now I'm just kind of freaking out, driving now, and now

you go off, when you drive, you go up about maybe not even about an eighth of a mile, not too far down, and there's a light out the middle of nowhere, a flashing yellow light. And for me to go back to my house, you know, I got to make a left, you know. And it kind of, it's like a big U, like you make a left, and I got to go back behind the lake and the woods, you know, kind of head.

And it's kind of a curvy road to head back towards, you know, my mom's at that time. And, you know, after, like I said, you know, when I heard that, when I was slowing down, I heard that just that got awful roared scream. I don't know what it was something big. And like I said, I clenched up. As I got away, I didn't hear the roar, or it went away from what I can remember. You know, and I know I had been drinking that night a little bit. Nothing too crazy. I've never been wanting to get as drunk as fall over and, you know, they go drive.

But at that moment, I was super sober, you know. That just, there wasn't, I don't think I was even really buzzed to begin with, but I just, I wanted to clear that up. People, you know, I didn't want people to think I was just out there trashed and, you know. I get it. Driving like to you. And even if you were, Bo, to be honest with you, even if you were, listen, and most of the audience can relate to this. I've had many moments where I've drank too much. I've never once had delusions of seeing monkeys or hitting monkeys ever being drunk.

So, I mean, it's kind of irrelevant, but I get what you're saying. I get it. Okay, yeah. Cool. Awesome. And, yeah, so, okay, so. Okay, so then as, you know, I'm getting up to that light. I'm freaking out.

Like I told you, I earlier, I had tears, I think I was in sweat and I was in a serious panic mode. So I turned left at the light and I'm just driving. I can't. I was speeding a little bit. I was just trying to stay on the road because I didn't know this thing was running behind me. You know, I just seriously freaking out. And I'm kind of going, like I said, it's a big view. after you turn left at that light kind of going back behind the lake,

and I'm on these curvy roads. And I know my windows were still down at that moment. I don't know why I wouldn't have rolled them up after, but I know they were down because when I started going around the back side of that lake, I heard, I swear, I heard something in the woods, and it's all woods back there coming from that direction. And I heard that just, and one like the deep loud screen roaring, But when I hit that day, it was just, I can't really even, like, explain or I can't even, like, imitate it.

It was just kind of like, I can't really even impot it. But there was something like growling, naked noise coming through the woods. And it was making a loud noise, but it was just one that deep scream. It was just maybe, like, maybe just the thing was just hollering or I don't, I can't. At this point, though, I was so in shock. I just, nothing was, everything was kind of blurry at that moment. I just got a bit, but as I was slowing down going around, a curve around there, I heard it something big coming through the woods and making noise and a light roaring,

like it was running coming after me. And at that time, I'm hitting the gas and I remember getting up to speed because at that point I had a straight shot just to get out of that area. At that time, I was thinking. like these things are just coming out of the woods, something's going on. I don't know what's going on. There's monsters in these woods coming out everywhere, but then since then, looking back,

I'm thinking what that was, was that creature, just to back up a little bit, when that thing, the little one, I always wondered, like, why did that thing run right out in front of my call? You know, that didn't make sense, and, you know, Todd was just thinking about it. Like what we talk about as far as I think, you know, that maybe when people come out of that lake, you know, a lot of older people when they turn left, that's the way to head back to town.

Nobody really gets up to speed that quick. It's always just probably people, they probably have seen enough people pull out of there. They know the timing, you know, where they can cross and be out of the way. But I think by me gunning it and getting up to speed there, that's 75 to 100 yards right there, they weren't maybe expecting that. And I think that the mom or dad or whoever had went ahead and crossed, the little ones straggled behind. You know, the last minute he tried to catch up and I was already there that quick.

And that's my little kind of conclusion of why maybe he just ran, right? I mean, it was just perfect timing that he literally ran into me, you know, too. And so that's what I was thinking, that that mom or whoever was there that Chase thinks in the beginning, was the creature who cut across the lake, you know, woods back there. It's not that far distance for him to run from that point to meet me again over there behind the lake because I know I had to go to that light, make a laugh, and I'm doing a big view around, and he just took a shortcut straight line because that's what road everybody takes to go. So I'm thinking that thing knew I was heading that way, and I swear I think I just, I think I think I

just got lucky, but you never, you never hear, but you know, I think the thing got so close to catch me, and I clenched up again, and I just, that sounds so crazy, but, you know, it just, that is exactly what happened. And again, that was episode 416. Bo goes on to talk about his car, the damage to his car, talking to his parents, there was blood, there was hair. So there was damage to the car. I've kind of condensed them down a little bit, so we don't have a five-hour podcast as we

count down the top ten, really in no particular order. The next one I want to bring up is episode 419. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it. And I remember when Anthony contacted me, sent me a short paragraph, and I read it. And I thought, well, give this guy a call. And I was telling Anthony after the interview, if you read a transcript of his interview, it would be very hard to swallow. But when you hear him tell it,

I think what happened is exactly what Anthony says happened. Most of you remember this show. Take a listen. Okay. Well, actually, my kind of my first encounter happened. This was in 2004, and we were on our, I live in, we'll say, Central Kentucky. And I was hitting home from one of the major cities here.

and on the way home, I had a little Chevy Trailblazer. I was driving, and one of the lug nuts broke on it. And as, you know, as I get going down the road again, a couple more of them breaks. So, you know, I decided, you know, I have my pregnant wife in the vehicle with me. I said, you know, I'm going like, you know, I went a total of 30 miles, and it took me like almost three hours to get there. as we're passing through probably about a quarter mile

away from where this incident happened we had the windows down and it was it was you know it was pretty chilly that night and I'll fund there's a dry creek bed that was running along the road it seemed like it seemed like a bulldozer running through the trees

and I mean it really really really freaked me out and I've never in a million years about that you know that if somebody said hey there's a big foot over there I'd have been like you're out of your mind. About like the story I'm about to tell you. I mean,

if I wasn't there, I wouldn't believe it. I mean, you know, if somebody was to tell me this story and I didn't know what I know, I would be like, man, this person really needs to be checked into a mental hospital. But my first encounter is

there's this, it's an abandoned rock quarry. And it has a really good size I see, I call it the glorified pond, and everybody else would probably call it a lake. That's a pretty good size. And, you know, when I would ride my motorcycle,

I loved going out there because it was absolutely quiet. It was peaceful. It was somewhere to go, you know, just to clear my faults. And another thing about it is, too, is while I was out there, you know, there was a little bit of strangeness in there. I never really thought about, you. I couldn't say that I was actually being, you know, felt some mind staring at me as people would say

I never felt that way but it was just a it was kind of an airy feeling but it was also a tranquil feeling. So pretty much if I took a long ride I would always go back and stop at this stop at this lake and you know sit out there and smoke cigarettes you know collect my folks

well one day I was out there and this was probably in I can't remember it was one of the summer months it was probably June or July August one of the months and it was actually it was in July that's when it was.

I was sitting there on the bank one day and there's an abandoned building that sits there and you know I walking in and it was always really stinky in there. I mean really, really stinky.

I never, I thought it was, you know, there might have been a dead deer in there or something. But, you know, I'm sitting on the bank

next to this building and I heard like it's, it's like a, I almost sound like a tree, like a snapping of a tree. Like a branch or something. The next thing I hear is, I heard it sounds like a kid crying, like a baby crying. And I'm sitting, you know, I'm like, man, you know, this is, I'm in the middle of nowhere and I'm hearing this.

So curiosity gets the best of me and I go over there and, you know, I'm walking through the, I was probably maybe three or four hundred, about 300 foot away from my bike at the time. And it's a pretty wooded area. And, you know, I get to walk him through there. And, you know, it keeps getting louder, keeps getting louder. And when I walked up on it and when I seen, when I seen, I thought it was like maybe a baby bear, you know, a cub that was caught in his tree. But it was, I mean, it looked like a big cub. But as I got up on it, I realized that's not what it was. And it turns around and looks at me and it looked like a kid, like a child.

a baby and looked like part 10. And, you know, I'm sitting there looking at this, and I'm like, you know, what am I looking at? And it's the wildest thing in the world. I never, you know, ever heard nothing about Bigfoot growing up. I didn't, I've probably seen Harry and the Anderson's, but it was the last thing that was in my mind. I'm sitting there looking at this, and I look in,

the creature, the animal, I call him animals, was upside down and had his leg caught, like, the wide part of the tree. And it's squalling and going crazy and it looks at me and I mean the look on his face, it really wasn't in a look of fear. It was a look of pain. I could tell it was in pain.

And I'm sitting there thinking, you know, should I try to help this out? I didn't know what it was, will it hurt me? And so I'm sitting there judging, debating on this. And all of a sudden, the, we'll call it the baby, the baby stops crying

and just stares off. this whole demeanor on its face changed. Well, I looked to see where he's looking at, and there's another one. Only, she's a lot taller. I'm six foot two, and she probably had four or five inches on me, so I put her at about six and a half foot. I'm sitting there staring at that one, you know,

just I'm frozen. I don't know what to do. All of a sudden, another one comes from behind the tree. And they're both females. And the reason I know they were females is because they had breasts. They were hairy, but you could tell what they were. And I'm sitting here and I'm looking at the two big ones. I'm looking at the baby.

And the other one that stepped out from behind the tree must have been its mother. And she was every bit of eight foot tall. And she wasn't big. She wasn't, you know, like the patty type, I guess they would call it. she was more slender. And she looks at me and she growls and yells. I mean, loud, extremely loud. So I get scared and I run back and I get on my motorcycle and I haul ass.

Well, that same night, you know, I'm at home and, you know, I'm feeling worded out about this. And, you know, it was kind of hard to collect my fault on what I had just seen. The next day, you know, I'm supposed to get up and go to work. I, for some reason, I end up getting sick. And I was sick for like a three or four days straight, and it was not like a flu sickness. It was more of a, I felt like I had a hangover and like I had been punched in my head a few times.

Yeah, kind of like you've been poisoned. Yeah, like I've been poisoned. And I don't know if that's what they call the Infrasound, whatever that was. I ended up taking the next couple weeks off of work. and, you know, because, you know, I didn't know what had happened. And during this two-week period, I end up talking, I talked to my grandfather. He's the only person that, you know, I had told about it at this time.

And he believed me. And he told me, you know, you got to, you know, because I told him I was scared about it. He was like, you have to face your fears. And, you know, I'm sitting there thinking maybe did I have a mental breakdown out there and really didn't see this stuff. So I'll go back out there and probably about three weeks to a month later.

Well, before we go into that, because this is where it starts to get really, really fascinating. Not that it isn't already, but talk about what did the creature look like, the one that you walked up on, and then if you would, for the audience, describe the other two that you saw

the best you can from what you remember. Okay. The baby that was in the tree, It looked like a, it looked like a chubby kid. It's body-wise. It looked like a little chubby kid covering in hair. I'd say it was probably, it was maybe about four foot tall, three and a half four foot tall. But the face looked so, it looked more human than it did monkey.

It had the nose was, it had a human nose, but it was a lot wider. Not real big, but a little bit wider. and it was a chocolate color, chocolate brownish color, we'll say. And the first female that stepped out, she was probably, you know, she had a, like I was saying, she's probably about six, six, six, seven. I know she had five or six inches on me.

And she was, she was slender. She was a golden color. I guess you'll call it blind, but it's not really blind to me. It looked more gold than anything. And she looked a lot like a Native American. So all three of them had kind of had a human-like appearance from where you're... Oh, yeah. Look very human, but the big one that stepped out, she, you could tell she had a little bit of an animal in her.

And when you say that, what do you mean? Maybe I'm saying that because of the way she grasped. out at me and screamed. But she looked more, she had more of the chimp look to her. But the, but the first one that stepped out, I mean,

I mean, you know, she was, she was beautiful. I mean, not saying, you know, her face-wise,

is just her standing there. It's something I had never seen before. I mean, this story is, I know this is hard to believe. And I know everybody out there is going to think I'm crazy, but it's the God's honest truth. Yeah, no, I'm fascinated by it.

And so all three of them looked more human-like, except for the very old, the oldest one looked more, kind of had an animal look. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, she had an animal look. And the one, the golden one, the first one that stepped out, I mean, she was slender, but she, I mean, she was had muscles. But she, I mean, she had a, you know, she had the smaller waist, and she had a hip, So on there, you could tell she was younger, and you could tell she was in her youth, maybe, maybe going through, I guess, what we would have is puberty. Yeah, and then the older one, obviously, you could tell it was an older one. Oh, yeah, you could tell she was older one.

You could tell, she looked a little rough. And let me ask you, so what's going through your mind at this point? You leave, you go home, and I can hear it in your voice when you and I talked the other night, and I completely get it. you almost kind of, and it's hard for people understand this, but when you experience something like this, you almost want to go back, you want to see it again, you want to make sure I wasn't delusional the first time I saw this thing. And so I get completely, but what's going through your mind? I mean, what did you think you just saw? To be honest with you, I had no one I could talk to. I had no internet. And, you know, I didn't know what I've seen. To be honest with you, I couldn't put it in no category of, Nothing that I knew. The biggest shock was seeing the baby there, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Because, I mean, it looked, like I said, it looked like a little chubby kid, hanging in the tree with a bunch of hair on it. Yeah. You know, I wanted to help and, you know, I might not have been, it looked heavy. You know, it was probably just, you know, it was probably that height, but it was probably just as wide as me. And I'm 6'2 and I'm way probably 215, 220. and, you know, when I got home that night, I just, I didn't know what to think.

You know, I still was kind of confused. You know, even after I found out what they were, you know, I was still confused on it. Because, you know, when I, when I seen that, the first time I've seen that Patty type was the first one, you know, that I had actually seen. And, you know, I've seen the movie Harry and Henderson, but, I mean, these didn't look nothing like that. They did, but they didn't. And so you go home and you're obviously, this is on your mind. You take some time off work. I want to come back to you being sick. But before we go into that, so what happens next? Do you decide to go back out there?

Yeah, I go back out there and, you know, I go back out there and I'm sitting there on the bank and, you know, trying to collect my faults and everything. And, you know, it still had that airy feeling, but a peaceful feeling. and I was thinking, you know, I'm sitting there thinking, did I have a mental breakdown in my head? What is, you know, what has happened to me? You know, at the time, you know, I was going through a lot of stress at the time with, you know, as the first time I'd been married.

First, you know, it was my second kid and, you know, I end up having a kid with another woman and, you know, with my wife. But, you know, I didn't grow up with like that. I grew up in a, you know, a single, you know, both parents in my home. And, you know, I was going through a lot of stress at the time. and I thought maybe I'd had had a mental break. But as I get out there, you want me to tell me how I met the lady?

Yeah, if you would. Okay, so, you know, I'll go back out there and, you know, I collect all my thoughts and everything. And as I'm going to leave, I think this was, you know, I went up there a couple more times after that. And it was probably on my second or third time. time going back out there, I'm going to leave. And there's this old lady that is

standing out there by my motorcycle. No, I left something out, Wes. The first time I went out there, when I left, when I walked back to my motorcycle, there were three rocks, shiny rocks sitting on my gas tank. And I still have those to this day. I've made necklaces out of them. Yeah, I remember you tell me that.

And come, you know, they were gifts from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, um, from the, um, I always referred to them as animals, but, but, um, so it was on my second or third time going back out there. I'm going to leave and there's this old lady standing by my motorcycle. And I'm like, oh, man, what? You know, she's probably going to jump on me for being, you know, on this land, which I, I didn't know who it was abandoned rock. worry, but I go out there a lot, and I was like, oh, man, here we go. Here's another thing. As I'm walking back to my motorcycle, she's like, excuse me, excuse me? And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm about to get it from this old lady.

And I walk up to her, and I'm like, you know, hey, how are you doing? And everything, you know, we said our greetings to each other. And she's like, I want to thank you for helping the baby Hane out. Did you understand that Haint? Yeah. That's what she referred to as to Hain. That's what she called him. Yeah, Haines.

Call them Hanks. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm like, what are you talking about? She was like, you help the baby Hain out. And, you know, I'm sitting, you know, I didn't know what she was talking about. And when she was saying it to me, I wasn't thinking about my encounter or nothing. I just thought maybe she was a delusional old lady. Then she explained it to me.

And I'm sitting there looking at this and I'm like this, I guess, you know, I didn't have a mental breakdown. down. And, you know, I was like, you know, how would you know about this? And she tells me, they told me. And she tells me, I'd seen this, you know, riding this road, I'd seen this old lady out in her yard a few times because I travel the road a lot. And she tells me, she's like, stop up to the house and see me. So, you know, I leave, you know, she goes walking back down the, she didn't live that far

away from there. She probably lived maybe maybe not even a half mile. If you cut through the woods, it probably wasn't a quarter of a mile. And she tells me to come out there and see her. So probably about a week later, I go,

you know, I'm out on my motorcycle and I said, I'm going to go up here and I'm going to talk to this lady. And I go to her house and she's sitting on her front porch and I get out on the bike and I walk up and talking to her and I was like please explain this to me I was like I don't know

what I seen and she tells me that you know she was like I know that you help the baby out of the tree which I didn't I didn't even put no hands on the baby and um she also told me she's like I she was like I know that she said I think she said its name she's like I know that she screamed at you she was like that's what they do when they're upset and you know I'm having I'm asking her, you know, I had like a million things going in my head, but I didn't know what to say to her. You know, she's telling me about, I can't remember what I always talked about, but she ends up, she ends up inviting me into her house. We go in the house and we're sitting there at the kitchen table and she's telling, you know, she gives me a little bit of details. She had been like communicating with them since the 70s.

Also, another thing, when I walked in her house, I mean, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was. nasty in it. Not nasty, dirty wise, but just a terrible, terrible odor. What did it smell like when you walked in? Like a, like, it smelled like a dairy

cattle and it smelled like a wet dog. I never smelled no skunk smell, but I smelled the wet dog and they smell like, it smelled like dairy cattles in there and they stink. Just kind of a wild, kind of a wild smell. Wild, wild, wild, wild.

out. And also I noticed, you know, she had, she had a few holes in her walls in the house. It's, it's, you know, she lives in a really old house. It's a two-story house out in the country. The house is probably over a hundred years old. We go and we sit down in the kitchen and she's telling me, you know, she had been communicating with them since the 70s and, you know, they're like her family. And, you know, while we're sitting in her, I hear something upstairs and, you know, I didn't think nothing about it. I'm like maybe, you know, I don't know what I thought about it. be honest with you. And she's sitting there and all of a sudden she, we're sitting in this chair and she leans her head back and starts making this clacking noise. Well, I heard something

coming down the steps, two sets of something coming down the steps. And she walks like in the , in the, in the, in the, uh, interest way into the kitchen and she's standing there. And all of a sudden peeking out behind her is the baby and another baby. And another baby. and they're staring at me. I hear him sniffing just constantly like that

and she's talking with them and making hand gestures with them and they're talking back and forth and I'm sitting here just blown away. Was it one of the same one that you saw in the tree?

Oh yeah, oh yeah, it was the same one. Yeah, you can't do it. I mean, they, all the ones that I've seen, all them look different. All of them have their,

own look to them. And it was, sorry about that, I'm still kind of, when I get the thinking about when I first seen all this, it kind of puts me in a kind of a weird place. No, no, I understand. And so what happens next? They're, you know, she, they're standing behind her and like, you know, like, she always wore these old sun dresses.

And, you know, they both have their hands on her, on her dress and are peeking around at me and sniffing and sniffing and she's telling she says don't worry they don't bite too hard. I thought that was, you know, that kind of broke the air in there. And, you know, she ends up, you know, she sits back down and they're sitting there and they're standing right beside her and they're like, they have their hands down, but they're kind of looking at me and everything. And we're sitting there and like she has a, um, She had some muffins sitting on the counter and they go over there and grab the muffins and are eating them. And it's just like it was these ladies' grandkids.

And I know everybody out there is probably like he is lying his tail off. But this is the guy's honest truth. And I don't know any of the way to tell this, but the way that I've seen it. You know, she's there. What was I at with the muff? Yeah, they grabbed the muffins and were eating them up. And, you know, she's telling me more about them and everything. I can't remember everything that she tells me.

But on that first day, I was out there when I met the babies, we was all in the kitchen, and all of a sudden there's a, it's more clicking. It was more like a yell, but with, like, clicking in it. And the two babies look up and the woman looks up. They all are doing the same kind of head motion. You know, I asked her, I was like, what was that?

And she was like, that's Papa. And come to find out, Papa's the Alpha. and the two the two juveniles she walks into the door and is communicating with them talking and make the

I don't know it sounds like like it but maybe a little bit different like if you put your tongue to the top of your throat or to the top of your mouth roof of your mouth

and that kind of sound kind of a popping sound yeah the popping sound yes and she walks into the door and I'm still sitting in the when you sit in her kitchen and you can see her a whole backyard,

all their woods or gardens or barns and everything. And I see these two little juveniles take off running out the back. And they were upright running. And I mean, these things are fast. I mean, they went around there. It was like two lightning strikes. And so what happens next? I know you went back and we'll get to that.

But I mean, what was the conversation like? where you, did you ask her, what the hell are these things? What's going on here? You know, I asked her, I put it in that kind of context. What are they? I was like, you know, I just, I kind of asked her. I said, what is going on? And she, you know, like she told me, she's been communicating them with them since the 70s.

And she tells me that, you know, that they help her out around the farm. she tells me that she keeps the babies every second or third night while the grown-ups hunt and it's like she almost comes from kind of rooms like a little daycare there and she said that she has rooms up there and she told me she's been doing this with pretty much everyone that's in the troop and she says once they get a certain age that you know they get too big and they can't come in the house and when i you know when i've seen what i've seen i understand why like the female she could get in there but she i mean her head would be through the door through the roof and um it's interesting because i've heard things like this before in the past but um so do you guys

eventually does she tell you anymore do you eventually just end up leaving sit there talking to her but you know it was so much that i mean it was it was so much information and things to take in at once because it was like i was it's like i was it's like being put on a different planet. It was something that I didn't know. You know, I was you know, she tells me, you know, like I said, she was telling me that they help her out around the

around the farm. And the second time I went out there, we went in the backyard. And, you know, she shows me her garden. And she says, you know, this is my side of the garden and that's that side of the garden. She has a small pond that she keeps up with fish for them. And

she had a few horse. horses out there and she had, I think that she was feeding them the horse food, the horse feed food, whatever you call it, because, I mean, there was probably three or four hundred bags of this food laying around, feed laying around. I didn't tell you about what we talked to the other day. When I looked in her backyard, she has this, she has had a, when you go in the house, there's an extension cord that's running out the back door with cable wire tied all the way around it. And she has a TV sitting out there for them.

Oh, yes, also this too. I mean, this sounds crazy, I know. I'm sorry that this is the truth. When I was in there, I noticed a lot of toys. And a lot of the toys were SpongeBob. Well, she has this TV that she kept outside with cable on it. And she says that they all love SpongeBob. And I was out there.

It was probably on my third time I went out there. and she had the TV on and she was like, watch this. And she plugs it in and she was like, give it just a minute. And I looked out there and there was, you can see their eyeballs everywhere. Little sets of eyes everywhere out there. And I thought that was, that was probably one of the neatest thing. It was probably one of the most fascinating things. So let me ask you.

So you end up leaving, how many times do you go back to this property and talk to this lady? I probably went out there five or six times. Well, tell us about the next time you went out and what she said or if you saw any other creatures. Okay, yeah, the next time I went out there, you know, we're in the house and we end up going out on the front porch. And the first female that I'd seen was there. It came up. And she was outside and communicating with it. And I mean, this is going to sound horrible.

I know, but and the thing about it is the, I don't want to say the lady's name, but she ends up telling me that this particular animal, Bigfoot, was eight years old. But she was, you know, six foot six, six foot seven.

And like I was telling you, she was, well, how I'm sitting there, you know, I'm looking, you know, I'm staring just like crazy. And, you know, I probably, they might have stirred her breast way too much.

And I know everybody can think, oh, that's sick, but it is what it is. And she gave me a very, like, mean look and a dirty ground. Typical woman. Typical woman. And, you know, they said that they can read minds. And, you know, I wasn't thinking nothing like that. I hope I wasn't. If I did, God forgive me.

But, I mean, she was, she was very attractive. And there's this, there's a picture on this. internet and it's it's old rare photos of like native americans and if you look through there there's there's a picture of a woman that looks very very similar to her well it sounds odd to the audience and you know obviously for me it sounds odd because but having said that um i wasn't there and albert ozman you know albert ozman the the canadian that clear story uh-huh and you and i were talking about this the other night, there's a portion of his story where I think there was more that went on there than what he says. Because he was very attached to the young female,

and he even thought about taking the young female away from there. And it makes you stop and go, well, why? Why was he so infatuated with this young female? So I'm breaking your balls, but I guess I get it to some extent. You know, I understand where you're coming from. I mean, it's just, I mean, I'm not going to know how she was attractive. I'm not the only way to put it. And, you know, she's, you know, she said, you can't see her lower area because it's very hairy. But, you know, I mean, she had, she has, she was very tall and muscular, but she had a shake. And, you know, she had a hairy little butt, I guess I could say.

And, you know, she was, I mean, it was, it was. it was fascinating. You know, it was a beautiful specimen, the way I put it. No, I get it. You know, you can go to the zoo and see a beautiful line. It's like, man, that thing is really beautiful. Yeah, of course. So this thing's actually talking to the old woman.

When you were there, this one was. So obviously, that's where the old woman knew that you had walked up, men no harm. Obviously, they were communicating with her. And I want to come back to this because there's something I want to tell you about it. but I don't want to interrupt the story. So go ahead. So she's talking with this one. What happens next?

Yeah, she's talking with the lady. She's talking with the woman, and the woman is sitting on the stairs, and the Bigfoot was there, and, you know, they're communicating, and I'm listening to this. And, you know, at the same time, I'm staring at her.

And that's when she gave me the low ground. I guess I was staring actually too hard. And she's sitting there, And she's like, give me just a minute is what she tells me. She walks in the house and comes out with a big thing of muffins and gave to her, and she walked off. And that was the story on the second time I went out there. How were they communicating?

Was it the same thing, clicks? Yeah, the clicking. Yeah, the clicking of the mouth. But, you know, I think some of them, I don't know, I could have sworn when the, whenever I told you the two juveniles when I first went out there and they had left, I could have swore one of them said bye. And maybe, maybe that was something in my head, but I could have swore I heard when I'm say bye.

But she was, she was communicating with them. It's a lot of hand gestures when she's talking, you know, she would, she would make a lot of half circles with her hand. You understand what I'm saying? Like she would stick her hand out and make like a half circle. She done that a whole lot. But it wasn't no sign language, but it was. It was, well, I don't know sign language, but it didn't look like sign language to me.

It was a lot of hand gestures. Yeah, no, I understand. And a lot of clacking. But, you know, I say that clacking, but, you know, it's a language because each, you know, they were all different. You know what I mean? It's like me sitting here talking to you now. You know, all my words are different. Well, when she was, or, you know, if you're a Latino speaking Spanish, you can tell that they're saying different words.

or a Japanese person talking very fast, you can tell that they're saying different words. It was the same thing, and it was very fast. Yeah, no, it's very interesting, and I've heard the clicking and the popping before. And so do you end up leaving and then coming? I know you went back, what, five or six times? Is that?

Yeah, I went back five or six times. And on my next time I went out there is when she showed me, she showed me the garden, and she shows me her, she kind of gives me a small tour of the property but not real far and she told me and like were they I guess their nest or den or whatever you want to call it she says they stay back there and when we were out and when we were out there you know I did have that feeling of being watched and she told me she's like they're always there she's like they always you know they're

she's like they always watch me and you know they know they know her really good she's like They're always there. There's always one, one or two of them is always there. And she would, she wouldn't, if a burglar went to her house, I would feel so sorry for them. It would be the worst mistake in the world. And so, tell us about the next time you saw him. Tell us about the next time you actually saw the creatures, or if you did see him again, when he went back out.

Okay. On the next time I went out, you know, I've seen the juvenile, the babies a lot. Because I heard people saying juveniles and all this stuff, but the juveniles are big. The juveniles are bigger than we are. I mean, they're way, you know, like I was telling you, the female that I think she was only eight years old and she was six foot six. And every good of, every bit of probably 300 pounds. But I mean, I'll mother that. I don't think there's an ounce of.

The next time, like I was saying, I'd seen the juveniles. And, you know, I was telling you about this, we were sitting at the. kitchen table and there was the two juvenile I guess there was only two babies there at the time that I was there. All I'd seen was two babies. And there's always the same two up there and they were sitting in the

floor and I was looking at their feet. And I noticed, you know, they have a patent on their foot but they also have a oh man, I don't know how to say it. It's like they have a break in their foot about halfway down. And it's like it almost looks like their ankles are

in the middle of their foot. And I think as they get older, I'm just, I'm no expert, but I think as they get older, I think maybe they kind of, their feet grow in the van or they grow into their feet because they're so big.

And it looks like they're, like, you know, I was looking at the, the eight-year-old. And, you know, I was looking at her, and, you know, her ankle placement was farther back like ours were.

But the juveniles weren't. But the juvenile, it's going to sound weird. The story sounds weird. The story sounds strange. The story sounds unbelievable. But, you know, it looked like their ankle was almost in the middle of their foot. And that's the only way that I can explain that.

That's very interesting. And I remember I was out there one time, and the lady was telling me she said that the, I've never really seen them do it, but she said the two babies, she said they fight a lot. And they fight over toys a lot. And she did say that they do have a really, really bad temper. But they listened to her. Like when she, she snapped her fingers,

they moved. And, you know, they kind of, you know, they kind of pouted around like a kid would do. And, you know,

I never, I guess they were on good behavior with me there, but, I mean, she said that they throw temper tantrums. She says that, you know,

that they have broke stuff in the house. Did she ever tell you what they were? I think she, I think she refers to them as, as, she never said what they were.

She referred to them as her neighbors. And I think, she, I'm not in the woman's head, but I think she sees them as a people. And I know a lot of people have bad encounters with them. And, you know, I would hate to piss, you know, even the eight-year-old off because, I mean, she could probably take on five men and win. And, oh, where was I had? I got lost in thought. So you went back, you were going back to the property. Yeah, going back to the property. Yeah, and the babies, yes. I was telling you about their feet and everything.

it was probably like on my fourth time going back out there, you know. I hadn't gotten really close with this lady, but, you know, she talked to me a lot. She liked drinking coffee. And, oh, you know, on that second time I was out there, and when she brought the muffins out there, she said they love peanut brittle. And my mother, she made the best peanut brittle in the world. So I took a very big thing of peanut brittle out there, and she said they were very happy with it.

It was probably on the fourth. I probably went out there maybe five or six times. It was either the fourth or fifth time I went out there. I was sitting, and it was later on. It had gotten dark on me.

And I always told myself I didn't want to be out there at dark because, you know, you know, she, she knows them, I don't. And, you know, I was, you know, I ain't allowed to you.

I was a little scared being out there at night. And she's sitting there and we're sitting there talking and she just, I can't remember what our conversation was, but she stops and she was like, I'll be back. And I'm like, okay.

And she's like, she's like, Papa's here. And this is the first time I've seen the alpha. And she goes outside and I look out that window. And Wes, it was a beast out there. What did you see? I mean, he was so big. I swear he was, at his shoulders, he was five foot across. He was humongous.

And this lady, she's, you know, she's a picture of your typical old lady. She's probably 5'3, 5'4. She was at his waistline, and that's the God's Honest Truth. The top of her head was at his waistline. And she was out there talking to him. You know, I heard a lot of the clacking and everything, and, you know, I'm looking out the window, and he, Papa, I guess I will call him, looks at me and, like, I look at him and I get terrified.

I didn't want to go out there no more, but he was, I mean, he was, he was massive. I thought the, uh, the one that yelled at me was big. She had nothing on him. Did he look more human like, or was he more of, you know, he had to, it was dark, but it wasn't, you know, there was a, there's a, but I guess, you know, I, I refer to hear him now, the bugger lights, what people say, like the lights that, you know, that they have on the barn. and, you know, I can make him out pretty good as like his body features, but he was standing with his back to the light. I couldn't make out, you know, actually,

I could make out his facial features, but I couldn't describe, I really couldn't describe him in detail to you. But he looked like an old man a little bit in his face, is what I think. His nose was really big, and his mouth was ungodly big. I mean, he had the biggest,

That's one thing I remember about him is his mouth was being really, really big. And all of them have really, really thin lips. They almost look like they have no lips. And so you see this thing, and so what happens next? Well, you know, I'm sitting there starting up the window

and she stays out there for like 10 or 15 minutes and I have no idea what they were talking about, but they were communicating. She comes back in and just picks up our conversation like nothing in the world happened. And I'm like, yeah, I was like, I said, that's Papa. I was like, you know, I told her, I was like, he is humongous. She was like, oh, he's a teddy bear.

She referred to him as a teddy bear. I mean, I'd hate to run him in a dark, in a lighted alley. I would hate to run into that. Yeah. I mean, his arms, his arms were as big as big as my head, and that's no lie. And his shoulders and his, the, I guess it's the trapezoid muscles that go up to the neck. I mean, they, I mean, just unreal. And he, you know, another thing different about him is that I noticed compared to the females and the babies, the females and the babies, they had a little bit

of a neck. He really didn't have a neck. Like his neck, like when I seen him in the right, when I first looked at him, all I seen was those big trapezoid muscles and like a little, a little hump on top. And so, you know, it's here. And so does he eventually leave? I mean, does he eventually turn and just kind of, I know you said to. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she just sit up there and talk to him and, you know, they done their clacking and, you know, he takes out walking and she comes back in the house, like nothing, like nothing it ever happened. But, you know, she's been dealing with them since the 70s.

Oh, and she also told me that pretty much all of them that's out there, she had not really raised, but she looked, she looked after pretty much all of them. She's been looking after the baby since the 70s. And I say more than likely, Papa was probably one of her, you know, one of the babies that was in there at one time. Yeah, it's fascinating. It's really fascinating. And so before you talk about why you never came back, did she tell you any more information about them or anything that stands out to you? Yeah, she said, I remember her telling me about when they go hunting, she said that they go.

an unbelievable amount of distance, they come back all within the same night. She told me that she believes that they were hunting as far as up to the Ohio River. And that's probably from there, as, you know, in a straight line, there's the crow flies, everybody says, it's probably 40 or 50 miles.

She said she believes that they, you know, go as far as that. And she says, She says that they'll bring her meat. She stocks the pond, and, you know, she stocks the pond for them. And I asked her, I said, I remember I asked her, I said, do they have fishing poles? And she's like, no, they get right in the water and catch them. And that's, you know, that's pretty awesome.

Because, I mean, to catch a fish is really, really, I've tried that as a kid. And she said that they were really good swimmers. And she mentioned something about the star people. Tell me about that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the same night. That was the same night. She told me once the males get like, I guess, to a certain age or something,

that they have to leave and go with the star people. And I never, ever knew what that meant. I don't know if it's a UFO thing. I don't know. I mean, the story's crazy enough as it is. Going into UFOs even makes it even crazy. No, I hear you. But, you know, she tells me that once the males get to a certain age,

that they have to go with the star people for a little while. And she never gave me no, she never, you know, that was pretty much what she told me. She never gave me no details on what it meant, or she never explained it to me. And again, that was episode 419 with Anthony. Still think about that eyewitness in that show. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show,

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