Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:502 Monkey-Bears at the window

Episode Date: December 30, 2018

Happy New Year everyone! I have three guests tonight. A summary of their encounters are below. Case writes "I live in South Western Pennsylvania. I have had 2 sightings in my life. One was locally where I live (2014) the other at my camp in Clearfield county in (2013). The first was what made me realize there's Bigfoot in our state. I was hunting at our camp which is 2 miles from the nearest paved road and we get very little traffic back there even in hunting season. I was still hunting along the spring that flows through the bottom of a valley below our camp. In the bottom is a 100 yard wide by 200 yard pine thicket. It is so thick through there I usually just carry my rifle slung under my shoulder shoulder and just hunt with my pistol (.357 mag) cause shots are under 30 in the thicket. Upon exiting the thicket I noticed 2 doe in front of me at about 50 yards. I retrieved my rifle and was watching these deer through the scope. They were not alerted to my presence and didn't seem spooked cause they just fed along towards me. As I looked for a buck I hoped would be following the doe they fed into a mountain lion thicket to my left. I was just getting ready to take a step farther out of the pines when I noticed something to my right almost at the top of the valley about 140 yards away. When I seen it I thought to myself that's the biggest bear I have ever seen in my life and threw the gun back up to look at it. My scope is a 3×9 and I had it set on 4 power for when I exited the pines cause I knew shots could range from 25-175 yards. This thing was squated down on its haunches behind a tree and it was looking down the hill at me. It had its hand stabilizing itself on the trunk as it peered around at me. When I looked at it I realized it wasn't a bear. It didn't have a snout but a nose. This thing looked almost human. I got a 10-15 second look as we stared at each other before I saw it's expression change into this oh $h** look. It stood straight up then like a athlete finishing a squat turned to the left take a step and a half on 2 legs and disappear into the Laurel at the top of the valley. I have alot more details I haven't gone into here ingrained into my mind I haven't gone into here but would like to share my experiences with you." --- Matt writes "Wes, I was at my cousin's in Tionesta, PA for Christmas dinner. I stayed until almost 9:00 pm visiting after. On my way back home, in Oil City, is about 16 miles of mostly deserted rural roadway. There is a section of Gamelands, state owned public hunting lands, numbering about 10,000 acres on both sides of the road. Driving back home it's a slight downhill on the left side of the road and it goes uphill to a ridge top and dense, hemlock and mountain Laurel covered steep river hillside, all hundreds of feet above the Allegheny River. We had been hunting archery and rifle some behind my cousin's house above Tionesta Lake, a Corps of engineers flood control lake, so we had been seeing deer on the way home numerous times, especially in this one stretch of road that travels through the Gamelands, so I generally drive a little bit slower and am a little more attentive in areas we frequently see the deer to prevent hitting them. So, here I was driving home, watching for deer, when a young deer, I would say a yearling or early fawn from this year came stumbling/sliding into the road, like it had been tripped or pushed. In seconds, a huge, hairy figure jumped off of the bank and landed in the middle of the other lane next to the deer that was just regaining it's feet. In one motion, it scooped the deer up in it's left arm, which caused it to blat loudly, similar to a spine shot deer that needs finished off to prevent it's suffering.( I had been only going 30 mph roughly through that stretch and had jammed on my brakes and had stopped.) In just a moment, it took it's right hand and grabbed the deers head and just twisted and broke it's neck effortlessly. It seemed to have been so concentrated on catching the deer, it didn't notice me right away. After it dispatched the deer, it turned slightly to it's left, towards me and, having my high beams on, I saw it well, only 15-20 yards from my bumper. It's lips parted slightly and it let out a low, rumbly growl and just hurdled the far guardrails, easily and must have sprang at least 20 feet in that one leap. It was a dark auburn to black, but it seemed to have reddish highlights in front of the headlights. I only got to see part of it's face, the left side and from the back really well. It was 8 ' or so tall, longer from the waist to head than waist to foot, didn't seem to have a cone shaped head from the angle I saw it from, hands had to have spanned a foot or more across, it was at least 4′ across the shoulders, legs as big as my waist and I am 6' and 270#. I know without a doubt this was a Sasquatch, flat nose, had pointed canines, upper and lower on the left side when it's lips parted, not really pronounced, but noticeably pointed. It had fairly long hair, it's face was bare from it's protruding eyebrow area to it's lower lip. Gray/black skin, kind of looked like supple leather, not worn, really. I just sat there for several minutes to get my composure. As much as I wasn't quite sure what I saw those years ago, I'm convinced it wasn't a black bear, but I am positive that this was a Sasquatch." --- Joel writes "We have some things going on at my house. Strange noises I have recorded. My six year old told me she saw a Sasquatch at her window before. It had creepy red eyes. It was black but had brown hair mixed in. It's nose was flat. It scratched at their window. It hides, meaning it disappears and then appears I believe she means it ducks down and then stands up. She also said, and this is the wierd or creepy part, that it had blood on its teeth. I asked what she meant and she said it had red on or around its teeth. She also said it motions to them like come with him. The blood on its teeth sounded out of place and I know she's young but when she told me this I believed her. I wonder if you've heard this before? This is the same girl who told me when she was three she saw a "monkey bear" with red eyes and a flat nose. She had a fever when she said this but I believed her and what is a monkey bear with red eyes and a flat nose? I have pics of foot prints, hair, and recordings from my house. I have a pic of what I think is a Sasquatch a guy gave me two-three miles from my house. If you can't look into these or want to talk that's fine but have you or anyone else heard of this type of behavior and details my daughter told me? Activity at my house has gone way down and I believe they keep their distance from us but we still hear them and experience things from time to time."   https://sasquatchchronicles.com  

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out, he'd grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir?

That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. Last show of the year, and I want to take a moment to thank all the members on Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I want to thank all my listeners around the world here in the United States and Canada, United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, even out there in the Middle East. They're listening in the Middle East. I'm assuming it's military. But I want to thank all of you guys for listening. I want to wish you guys a happy New Year.

Got a great show planned for you tonight. Going to be talking to Case. And Case comes to us from Pennsylvania. And he was out hunting and he basically came almost face to face with this thing. It had stepped out. He thought it was a bear until he was looking through. scope at the face of this thing. And a lot of things changed when he put that gun up. Then we're talking to Matt. And Matt is also from Pennsylvania. I know it sounds like a Pennsylvania show, but Matt was coming home one night and he came around the bend and this thing had killed a deer right in the middle of the road in front of him. And Matt has great descriptions

on what he saw. And then we'll wrap up with Joel. And Joel's out on the Oregon coast and I'm not giving the location away because if I did, it would be really easy to figure out where he lives, so I've asked Joel not to give specifics about where he's at. The area is notorious for sightings, and Joel has great audio he sent me. I moved from a PC to a Mac, and I'm having a hard time for my studio to translate the audio, to put it in the studio for you guys to hear. I've heard the audio, and it's very fascinating. I can tell his wife was recording from a phone, and you can hear their German Shepherd reacting to this thing screaming outside. And what's interesting is I can tell she's inside the home and I can still hear it even from

her recording this thing going off. And Joel's in a very tough position because his kids talk about monkey bears and his kids have way too many details about seeing these monkey bears and what they look like for them to be making it up. And Joel's found a lot of strange things around his home, tracks. And these are calls you guys normally don't get to hear. I've heard a lot of these before in the past. A lot of times these people don't want to come on the show.

So I'm thankful that Joel came on to talk about some of the weird things happening around his property. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on this show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member, get additional shows. There's a shop, a blog, a lot of cool things. I hope you get a chance to check it out. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Case to the show.

Case, thanks for coming on. Thank you very much, Wes. I'm a long-time listener. Yeah, I appreciate you being here, Case. If you would, would you kind of just start from the beginning? Kind of tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened. What did you see? My sighting occurred in 2013, and it was in Clearfield County,

and it's the Quihanna Wild area, which is about 40 miles north of Clearfield. my camp sits off of a dirt road which is about two miles in a straight line to the nearest paved road and my camp sits down in a very steep hollow and there's a spring that runs from the head starts at our camp and flows down through the hollow and I was up there for the opening week of deer season in Pennsylvania and I was hunting down through the hollow and there's a pine thicket is about 300 yards from my camp and I went through the thicket

and most shots in there are under 30 yards so I usually carry my pistol through there and once I get to the other side where it opens back up into the open woods I switch back to my rifle I get to the other side of the pine thicket which is about another 200 yards down the hollow. And I notice two dough out in the open woods feeding,

and they have, they're oblivious to my presence being there. And they actually feed towards me out to about 40 yards before they cut up and start heading into the mountain laurel. And I was scoping out the hollow, looking for a buck hoping that one would be trailing them dough. And nothing ever showed up. and I was just getting ready to start moving again when I noticed something on the top of the hill

by 150 yards away on the right-hand side and it was peeking from behind a big tree it had its hand bracing itself on the trunk of the tree and it was peering around the left side of a tree down the hill looking at me and I thought to myself this is the biggest black bear I've ever seen in my life So I pulled a gun up just to check it out

And that's when I noticed it didn't have a Muzzle like a bear It had a nose And that's whenever I brought the gun down And I shoot a 30-a-6 With a 3x9 scope on top of it So I cranked the scope power up So I didn't get a real good look at it

And then that's when I start seeing details And how human-like this creature is It had a very flat nose almost like a boxer where it's been broken multiple times. And the nostrils were real flared. And you could actually see the nostrils flare every time it breathe. I got probably 30-second look at it before it realized that I was pointing a gun at it. Because you could see in its facial expressions that it went from,

what are you doing to this ain't good. The mouth dropped, the eyes widened, and the nose actually flared. And the details were so clear. The head was a little bit of a cone shape. It had probably four inch long hair on the top of the head and down around the sides of the head. the cheek bones were very high up and very wide,

and they were covered with about inch and a half, two inch long hair. The nose was covered with about inch long hair down to about where the crook of the nose is. From there, it was just black skin. The lips were black, and they were very protruding, like, almost like they were shot with Botox or something. thing. But it was the eyes that really got me. The eyes were probably about two to three inches apart, and they were probably about three inches in width. And most of the eye was pupil, with very little white of the eye showing. And the pupils were, I would describe it like a shark's eye. It was just black, almost expressionless.

But I could see whenever it looked and it did that uh-oh look that it was intelligent because it had to have recognized the gun that I was pointing at it. And that is when it decided that it was going to stand up. And it was like a athlete finishing a squat. it went from a squatting position just straight up. And it turned, and when it turned, it turned to the left, turned around, took about a step in a half, and was into the mountain laurel. It was only maybe a minute, minute and a half encounter. And I never saw the creature again.

And what did you do next? Did you get out of there? Actually, no. I wanted to see how big this thing truly was, because there was a tree limb above it. And when it stood up, the head literally looked like it was touching the branch. And so I went up the hillside, and I had the rifle in one hand. I had the pistol in the other because I decided if this thing wasn't the Mount

right there. I was firing one shot with the rifle, dropping it, and I was empty in the pistol, because I was carrying a 357 magnum as well. How far away from you was this thing when you were looking at it through your scope? About 150 yards, no more. And what did you think you were looking at at the time? Obviously, it wasn't a bear, it wasn't a man. What did you think it was? I've always believed that Sasquatch did exist, but I didn't think it would exist in Pennsylvania due to how many people are around in this area. And the Quihanna Wild area where I was is a tourist attraction during the spring and summer because it is the home of our elk herd, and it's the only herd in Pennsylvania. but the second day of gun season that at that time

there was nobody in the woods I went the first day without even seeing a hunter at first like whenever I seen it I was like this is the biggest person I ever seen in my life until I got the scope on a higher power and was like this thing ain't a person it is massive

and I would say the shoulders on it were probably 48 inches across the chest was just absolutely insane. I'd probably put the measurements around the chest at over 80 inches. Did it look more like a man, or did it look more like an animal when you were looking at it through the scope? Almost a cross between a man and an animal, because, like I said, the facial expressions and the eyes and the nose, they were human. but the hair that covered the entire face, head, and body almost reminded me of a black bear because the hair on the body was probably three, four inches in length like it was on the top of the head.

But the face, the entire face except the eyes and the bottom of the crook of the nose down to the lip was hairless. And the lips were hairless. And did you tell anyone about this encounter afterwards? The only one I ever told was my uncle, and he was the one that was with me with my second encounter. And he was the one that actually spotted that creature in the second encounter, because I was the one driving him home from work that night. Well, tell us about that. What happened? You were driving him home? Yeah, so I picked him up. He was working a afternoon shift. There was a 12-hour shift, so I would pick him up at midnight and drive him back to his house

because he only lived right down the road from him. It was around January. It was very cold outside. It was 19 degrees without the wind chill. And there was six inches of snow on the ground and a full moon. So even though it was nighttime, the moon reflecting off the snow, you got a very good look of anything. thing that was out in the open fields. And I was driving him home, and it was about 1.130 because we stayed and was talking with

his relief that night. And there's a hillside behind an RV manufacturer and sales place. And the hill was probably, I don't know, 60 degrees in an incline. And there's some scattered little pine trees that are about six foot tall. and I was driving. He was talking to me and I was just focusing on the road because the plow trucks weren't out that night. And we get about 50 yards from the RV place and all he goes is, what the hell is that? I thought something was coming out onto the road, so I locked up the brakes, did a little fish tail and come to a complete stop. I looked over at him to see what he was looking at,

and he was looking out the passenger window. And this thing was going straight up that incline on two legs. And the first time that I spotted it, it was about halfway up the hill, and it was next to one of them little pine trees. And I would put it at least a foot taller than that pine tree was. It was very broad at the shoulders, but it narrowed down to almost athletic hips. And I couldn't tell any breaks where clothing would be.

And you would think somebody that would be out at 1 o'clock in the morning, and that cold weather with that much snow in the ground would have like a snowsuit on. So it just looked like a marshmallow man. and you could actually see the definition of this figure even at probably I would say 75-yard distance, 80-yard distance. And what was the creature doing just walking up the hill? It was on a mission, be-lining straight up the hill. What did your uncle say when you guys saw this thing?

He, I wanted to go back and park on a long side of the road, and go up and look to see if I could find tracks. And he just kept saying, no, we don't have a gun. Let's go home. Let's just go home. And I kept telling him, I said, with this, no, we're going to be able to tell if it was a boot track or if it was a footprint or if it was a bear track. I said to him, I was like, I want to see what this thing is. And he just kept saying, no, let's just go home.

Let's just forget about it. let's go home. And even still to this day, he really don't like talking about it, even to me. Like, I would bring it up to him and, like, what do you think we saw that night? And he would, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And I said to him, like, it couldn't have been a person.

I said, it would have had to have been Andre the Giant walking up that hillside that night. And he would start, well, I don't, I don't know. Never said if it was. was big foot or if it was a person, he just says, I don't know. Yeah, it's probably good not to go chasing after these things. It's like chasing a grizzly bear man. What are you going to do if it turns around and decides it doesn't like you following it? You've seen how big these things are, you know, and I'm sure you can imagine the power

behind them. That's fascinating that it was just going up the hill, and at least your uncle saw it. So I'd imagine you kind of told them what happened to you prior to hunting. No, I did not talk to him about that until about a year. later whenever I brought it up again to him. Like, what did we see that night? And I was trying to get him to say that we saw a Bigfoot that night. And he just refuses to say that we saw it that night.

And that's whenever I told him about the first encounter that I had while hunting. And I told him all the details, like the chest of the first encounter, like the chest being 80-inch. around, the shoulders being 48 inches. I told them about the eyes, the mouth, the nose. And I even told them, like, whenever the first creature turned around and tried to, and walked away, I could see the delts, the lats. I could see the definition in the hamstring, the back of the thigh. The calf muscle, everything about this creature was the only way.

way I can describe it is just jacked. Like the calf muscles had to be 28 inches around. The thighs were probably close to 35, 36 inches around. This thing looked like it was built to stop a Sherman tank. He asked me, like, well, how tall was that first creature? And I said to him, like, I went up there because I wanted to see if I actually saw what I saw. And I told him about the branch that the creature, when it stood up, that the head was almost touching the branch.

And when I went up there and I noticed the creature wasn't around, I went over to that tree and I looked for footprints. I didn't see any in the leaf litter, but you could see where something heavy stood there. And I tried to reach up and touch that branch. And I'm 510, 180 pounds. and I actually had to jump probably about a three, four inch vertical to touch that branch. So I would place that creature in the seven to a half to eight foot range.

And I would probably put it around 600 to 650 pounds. The thing was just solid muscle. Yeah, and I think, you know, a lot of, it doesn't sound like it really happened to you, but, and maybe it's because of the distance and you were armed, but I think a lot of people, they get that dread, they get that fear, especially when they see one, because they're so big. You know, you imagine you're 150 yards away. Now imagine being 10 feet away. And I think that's why people get so shook up. One, they shouldn't exist or we're told they don't exist and they do. And two, just the sheer size of them, you know, is enough to, I would imagine shake any man that's seen one.

Do you still hunt? Yes, I actually still hunt that area to this day. Does it reutal hunting knowing that this thing's out there? No, not with how well-armed I go into the woods. I've killed so many deer with a rifle that my newest ambition is to start hunting solely with my pistol. And the pistol goes with me whenever I go out in the woods. and it's a 8-inch barrel 357, and I get some very nice ballistics

because I hand load for my rifles and my pistol. So I'm not shooting factory ammunition either. That night that he said that we didn't have a gun, it wasn't that I was worried about the creature because we watched it walk into the woods. I wanted to go to the tracks that were down in the light, to the RV place because I wanted to see these tracks.

And I'll be honest with you with the first creature, the only reason I didn't pull the trigger is because I did feel a slight dread. And it was not the dread of I'm in danger because the creature never showed any aggression to me.

Like I said, whenever it realized that I was pointing a gun at it, it kind of did this, uh-oh. look. The eyes widened, the nose flared, the mouth went a little bit open, but not open enough that I could see the teeth. And it knew that it was looking down the barrel of a gun, and it just wanted to get out of there. So I wasn't afraid for harm, but I was afraid at how big this thing was. Yeah, I would still be careful, though, man. You know, in the future, when you come across these

things. I realize you got a gun and you've shot a lot of things, but I'd be real careful, you know, because you never know how they're going to react. It may just get up and have an, oh, crap, look on its face and walk off. Some of them may not. You know, some of them might piss them off. You're pointing that gun at them, and I've heard many encounters like that where it does piss them off. Mike Woolley is a good example of that down in Louisiana when he had pointed, and he wasn't, he wasn't looking to shoot the thing. I've talked to Mike a million times off. there. He wasn't looking to shoot the thing. He was just, the reason why he raised his rifle is to look through the scope and get a better look. The minute he did that, this thing called

his buddy and I'm sure you've heard the encounter, but it didn't turn out very well for Mike. And I think he was two seconds away from having his head ripped off. Like you said, I think distance has something to do with this as well. Because if I remember correctly, Mike was like 50 yards or 50 feet. He was real close to this thing, wasn't he? Yeah, he was. He was pretty close. To be honest, for the, I don't think, I don't understand why he would need to pull the gun up to get such a good look at this thing if he was that close. But at the same point in time, like, I understand, like, whenever I realized I wasn't looking at a bear, I wanted to see what this thing was.

And that's why I lowered the gun and cranked my scope up so I could get the detailed look of it. Yeah, I think in Mike's case, I think he thought it was like a monkey. I think he thought it was a guy in a costume. And, you know, from looking through your own scope, it's kind of confusion when you look at this thing. It's like, what am I looking at? What is this thing? And I think that's kind of where he was at. It's interesting about its expressions changing too.

You know, obviously it knew what that guy was. gun was. Probably had seen you before. Probably had seen you shoot deer, especially if this is an area where you frequent. Probably figured it was next, so it was time to go. That's my own opinion. I could be wrong. Well, I will be honest with you. Like before whenever I went up there, that I never really went around completely armed. But after I've seen this creature, yeah, I don't go anywhere up there without a fire. arm and without something that has the ballistic capability and the magazine capacity that I know that I'm going to be able to take down whatever I encounter.

Let me ask you, what do you think that these things are? I mean, Case, you got a good look at this thing. You're looking through your scope. You can see the mouth, the nose, the eyes. What do you think Sasquatch is? I would probably put it more like a gigantic, pitch. almost because I wouldn't say it's human, but the intelligence level is beyond that of an animal because I could recognize the emotions that went through its head. Like at first, I thought it was,

I honestly thought it was there looking at the dough that were in front of me like I was. It was interested in getting its next meal. And whenever it realized I was there, and I realized it was there, that's when it became more of, well, let's see what you're going to do first. I honestly think it was waiting for me to make the first move. And whenever I brought the gun up the second time and really got a good look at this thing, that's when, like I said, the expression went from, okay, you made the first move. I don't like the move you made. I'm out. Yeah, so more of an intelligence, more than,

just your average bear or cougar or any other predator. I recognized what you were doing. That's fascinating. That's really, really fascinating. You'll have to keep me up to date. Let me know when you're heading back out that way. I haven't been out muzzleloader hunting in years. I just, I don't like the flash going off next to my face,

and it makes me flinch on occasion. But fishing season is coming up in April. And I go up there every year for first day of trout season. I'm up in that area probably 10, 12 times a year. I'm always up there. Every chance I get I head that way. Well, be careful, will you when you go up there? And will you let me know if anything else happens when you head back?

I definitely will, because like I said, I'm a longtime listener of your podcast. I actually remember the first podcast that you guys did on YouTube. I've listened to the stories of other listeners that have called in, and I understand that these things are capable of being very aggressive, but the two encounters that I've had, it seemed like the creature was more worried about this thing itself from me than it was in having an interaction with me. you get what I'm saying

yeah I do yeah and that's I won't lie if I do see one again and I do have a gun in my hands because like I said I hand load for my 30 aught 6 and I get ballistics

that are better than most factory ammunition I am not afraid of not having the knockdown power but I will most likely sit back and watch these creatures just to see

how intelligent they are, because that was what astounded me, was the emotional and intelligent level of that one-minute encounter with that first creature. It was just astounding. Well, like I said, be careful. I know you will be. I really appreciate coming on and sharing it very much, case. Please be careful. Please be careful.

Thank you very much and have a good night. Well, I want to welcome Matt to the show. Matt, thanks for coming on. Sure, no problem. Thank you. No, I really appreciate you being here. And I know your encounter took place in Pennsylvania. If you would, would you just kind of start from the beginning.

Kind of tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened. Sure. I have been going up to my cousins quite often in the archery season in October and into early November. And then the rifle season and late November, early December. So on the way home, it's about 18 miles from there to where I live. And there's an area there that's kind of pretty desolate. And there's just thousands of acres of gameways on both sides of the road. And we had seen deer several times on the way home.

And so I just kind of would slow down from 45 to 30 in that area, just knowing that we had almost hit deer there before. So it was Christmas night, I had gone up to my cousins for dinner. and on the way back, we were passing, well, I was passing through there. Usually my son's with me, but he was sick at Christmas Day so he didn't go. I was driving back. It was sometime after 9 o'clock at night. And just as I had passed through the one small village before I hit the area where, you know,

no houses for several miles, I saw a doe close there is. So I thought, well, it's going to be more down here. we always see them because they were moving. And so we got down, I got down there another two miles or so. And it was right in the area where we see a lot of deer at night. I was watching pretty intently after having seen that first one. And all of a sudden there was a high bank probably 8 to 10 foot on the right hand side of the road. And the left-hand side of the road, the contour went down.

There was guardrails, and then the hillside went down at the same slope. This deer come kind of falling, sliding onto the road. It went down on its side. And just as it started right itself to go on across the road, I just saw this huge figure just jump out. And it cleared the yellow line from the bank. It had to been 30 feet, maybe, more and just landed right next to the deer.

And before the deer could right itself, it scooped it up in its left arm. And it was semi-sideways to me. And I could see the right hand that just encompassed the deer's whole head. It was a young deer probably either last year's fawn or early this year. And it's just one flick of the wrist and it snapped the deer's neck. and I was just thought I just was not expecting anything like that. And I had the high beams on to make sure that I could spot deer before they came onto the road so I could react. Well, when I saw the deer come down, I slammed all my brakes.

I was going 30 miles an hour. It was probably 40 yards away. By the time I come to a stop, I was probably 20 yards from it. And in the high beams, this creature, it was no mistake, and it wasn't a bear. It was just, we have some big bears in Pennsylvania, 7, 800 pounds. This dwarfed them probably, at least in the size. I'm not sure about the weight, but it was kind of hunched over when it reached down to grab the deer. And it was almost straight back up again.

And the hair, it was long hair. The legs were probably as big as my. my waist, right around thigh level. The hair was probably four inches or longer on the body. And in the high beam headlights that appeared, there was like a reddish tent. I don't know if it was like a dark Auburn or if it was a real dark brown or almost black, maybe with some red highlights,

but it did seem to look of dark red from what I could tell. And the hands, oh man, it had to have been a foot across easily from side to side of like the palm area. Because it just enveloped the whole deer's head. I mean, it just like wrapped it completely around. And it was just a quick, just deer was bleeding. Like sometimes if someone would hit one with a car and it's not completely dead and they'll cry out and stuff real loud. and it was just a split second, and it stopped immediately as soon as this Sasquatch twisted its head. And I think it was so intent on getting that deer kind of didn't pay any attention to me right away.

And after it did, I think it noticed the lights, and it just turned slightly to the left. Its left side was kind of facing me, and part of the back. It was kind of like cordoned away from me slightly. It didn't turn its head. It turned itself at the waist. And I could see the left side of the face and a little bit of the nose. I couldn't see the right side of the face. There was like a supple weather scan.

It wasn't like one or anything. It looked smooth. No hair on the face until below the lower lip. And there's kind of a brow ridge somewhat. You could tell on the profile. but it wasn't super pronounced, but it was a little bit. It came out a little higher than where the eyes were set back in some. The nose was pretty flat.

It came out maybe a couple inches, you know, a couple digits of the finger at the most from the face. The lips were brought in. When it turned toward me and noticed me there, its mouth opened slightly. The teeth were, at least probably a half inch wide. They were, I'd say roughly, the size of my fingertips.

And I had pretty thick fingers. And it had pointed teeth on the corners, the canines. They weren't like fang-type pointed, but they came to a kind of a soft point. They weren't flat. I could see the upper and lower on the left side. and it let out a growl. It was a real deep growl.

It wasn't super loud, but it was, it kind of resonated. You could feel it almost as much as you could hear it. It just then looked away from me like you're not worth my trouble. And he just took from the middle of the far lane and he just hurtled the guardrail on the left side of the road and just disappeared down the hill. After he broke the deer's neck, he hesitated for a slight little bit as he turned, and I think he was just busy with what he was doing

and went down the hill. I didn't see any kind of, I figured it was a male because I never saw the front, but on a side profile, there was no visible breast or anything like that. there was hair like from the lips on down there was I didn't see any other skin visible on that side

the back of the hands were fur covered when it let go the deer's head I could see part of the left palm and it was hairless for sure I'd say the fingers must have been maybe eight to nine inches long possibly because being in the bright light

you could see the spaces between the fingers. But the hands of palms himself were like a tennis racket. I mean, it was good size. Yeah, I've heard that before. I've talked to other witnesses too as well that have got... Actually, I've talked to a few hunters that have seen them break the necks of these deer. And they always talk about the hands. You know, I think one hunter said, you know, it reminded them of saucer pans.

I mean, they were so big. Yeah. Yeah, I remember watching... and Roberto Clemente, he was my baseball hero, play for the Pirates, and he had big hands for a person, and there was no comparison. It was, I'd say it was,

I'm guessing roughly eight feet, because the guardrails were probably up roughly around four feet, and he was easily twice as high as those. And he just, it wasn't like he had to take a stride and then jump. He'd just, just hurtled right from where he was standing, just from a standing point, and just hurtled and

landed partway down the hill. He could see him like from waist up. He was down probably four feet over the bank. And then, you know, the next stride, he was gone out of sight. How far away from you was this thing, Matt, when you, I'm assuming you stopped the car because it's in the middle of the road. Yeah, 20 yards at the most, maybe 15. It was right in there, because when the deer first came out, it was about 40 yards, and by the time I stopped at 30 miles an hour, I figured I probably traveled roughly 10 yards or 20 yards or so. Yeah, that's really close.

That's really close. Did you know what you were looking at, or were you, what was your feeling when you saw this thing? I knew right away it wasn't anything I'd ever seen before. A few years ago, I had a roadside crossing that I look back now, And I know it wasn't a bear because it had no pronounced snout like the bear. And it was running head up and hips down were a bear, black bears generally, the hips are some of the highest point besides the shoulders and the heads more down when they run.

But it was so brief, I couldn't tell exactly what it was. But I know it wasn't a bear and there's no other animal. That size that's black in Pennsylvania, you know, it was a... We don't have any Wolverines or anything like that. It would possibly be another thing, so I'm not sure exactly what I saw, but it ran on its all fours, and it hurtled the guardrails on the far side of the road. It put its front legs on the guardrails and just launched itself off the guardrails down into this ravine. So I knew when this thing came off that thing, it was, I don't know any other animal that could leap that far except for possibly.

a mountain line, but there's no size comparison there. Yeah, and was it standing up on two legs the whole time? Yeah, it just came off just one big leap, and it made it from that far back, which probably the top of the bank is probably eight feet off the firm of the road, and it landed clear on the other side of the double yellow line in the middle of that far lane. So it had to have been at least 30 feet, if not 40, just in one leap.

So I imagine it was running, maybe chasing the deer. I don't know if possibly maybe it had got a hand on it and swatted it and kind of semi-knocked it down or knocked it off balance to where it did fall, or if the deer was just running so fast trying to get away from it that it fell when it hit the road surface with its hooves. I'm not sure exactly what happened there, but it was kind of falling, stumbling, and then it went down, and then started to get back up, and that's when it left out there and got a hold of it. But there was no doubt in my mind. It was kind of hunched over, but it never went down on all fours. It was always on its hind feet.

And I want to ask you, when it turned and looked towards your direction, and you're kind of getting a profile, kind of getting a glimpse of the face, would you say it looked more human-like? Would you say it looked more like a non-human primate? What is your personal opinion? I think it looked kind of almost half and half. The jaw and stuff kind of protruded somewhat like an ape a little bit, not greatly, but more so than what a human does.

It probably, I don't know, maybe came out maybe a couple inches below its lower lip, kind of not really to a point, but it was kind of rounded, kind of broad and rounded the jaw. and then come up to the lips and then the nose came out not quite even with the lips but it was a little bit away from its face but it looked like the eyes

between the eyes and the nose it kind of looked more human but the jaw structure reminded me more of like a gorilla yeah and this happened on Christmas or Christmas night yeah Christmas night yeah Merry Christmas

Christmas, I guess. Oh, wow. What a sight to see, you know what I mean? I know what all these other people that I've heard, you know, I don't feel like now when they've seen something like that. There was only one person I felt like I could really trust, and that's my significant other. I know she knows that, you know, I'm not somebody that's going to make up some kind of

a story, and I had to tell her, but it took me even a couple days before I did that. I just kept running it through my mind, and it was like, there is no way it's anything else but that. There's just no way it was that close. And it just structures your reality, I guess. You know, the reality we've learned from the time we were young and then

something like that and you think it's there's a possibility like you know in real rural areas, which I guess we are. We have a lot of heavy hemlocks in there and Mount Laurel on the river hillside going down to the Allegheny River back in on the right there.

goes back maybe a mile or so, and then there's a real steep river hillside, which, you know, people couldn't traverse very well without maybe some kind of climbing gear in areas. It's almost straight up and down. But the cover is just so thick in there. You know, it could easily hide something like that. Yeah, no doubt. I mean, I get a lot of reports from Pennsylvania. I mean, I get a ton of reports from Pennsylvania.

And lately, I've been getting a lot of them. I'm not really sure why, but being in a lot of them. lot, a lot of reports out of Pennsylvania from hunters, situations like what you're in, you're on a backcountry road, and this thing just steps out. And it does change your whole mindset on everything. It's one of my guests said it's like your world comes crashing down when you see the thing. And that's really the best way to describe it. I mean, wouldn't you agree, Matt, it's like your whole world just comes crashing down when you see this thing. Oh, yeah, just in that split second, boom, it's right in front of you.

And there's no doubt about what it is because it's so close. And I had my high beams on, so it lit it up just like it was daylight. And just the mass of it, I'd say easily because when it first came down, it was quartering away from me. I could pretty much see the broadness of its back and shoulders. It was at least four feet across the shoulders at the very least, maybe five. And thick through when it turned back and I got the side profile, I'd say it was at least three and a half. foot thick from chest to back. It's so hard to describe to someone, and I've said this before on shows, and you might

understand what I'm about to say now. But, you know, a lot of times when people say seven, eight, nine, ten feet tall, it's really hard to put that in perspective, unless you see something seven, eight, nine feet tall and, you know, six hundred plus pounds. I don't even know how to describe it. It's so hard to articulate the feeling that you get when you see something that big. I mean, you feel helpless. feel like I sure hope I don't he doesn't come for me because there's nothing there's no one that's going to stop him if he does oh there's the 600 pound live weight black bears here in pennsylvania unfortunately not during the season but i've seen them in the spring and in the fall

and this thing if you stood a 600 pound or 500 pound black bear which is huge anywhere on two feet next to this, it would dwarf it. There's no doubt. It could probably whip a black bear, I mean, pretty quick. It's just the quickness and the strength, it just, I'm really surprised that the deer's head didn't come off completely because I'm sure if it wanted to, it could have. But it just, like it's done it a thousand times before,

or just twisted the wrist and it was done. There was no more sound from the deer. It was just limp. And he still had it, he had it tucked in the crook of his arm pretty much like an NFL player does with a football. That's the size difference. That deer probably weighed probably 80 pounds while I weighed, I would say. Just like it was a football tucked in the crook of his arm down over the guard or else and he was gone. Yeah.

Let me ask you, Matt. I'm curious, you know, you got a really good look at this thing. and, you know, I know your impressions are, you know, I don't think anyone truly says an ape. I don't think anyone truly says it's human. I think like what you'd mentioned before, it's half and half, and I hear that a lot. But if someone were to ask you, what is Sasquatch? What are these say to them? I expect of my experience here, my encounter, I would say, but yet I wouldn't completely negate

the chance that it was something that possibly evolved alongside of the apes and isn't quite human, but isn't quite primity either. It was definitely animal, you know. It was going after its meal, and it was just had that singular focus that it was going to take care of business and get its meal. And then it just kind of looked back at me as it twisted its head. and just kind of like, ah, you're not worth of trouble on down over the guard or else. It was like, you know, if I wasn't busy, I might give you a little trouble, but I've got things to do and places to go, and it's just on down over the hill. No, it's a scary encounter. It's a great encounter. It's, I think most people would prefer to be in a car when they see these things.

You know, you kind of feel a little bit better being in a car. Not always, but, you know, it's better than being out in the open and being 20, 30, 40 feet. away from this thing, you know, live in person. I figured I'd much rather be in something that I can possibly outrun it with the vehicle. But on foot, there's no way. It wouldn't even be a race. It wouldn't even be out of the starting blocks before it had you. Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more. Well, Matt, I appreciate coming on and sharing the encounter.

I appreciate sharing what happened to you. And keep me up today if you're ever on that backcountry road again and something else happens. Let me know, will you? I sure will. Thanks, Wes. And the final guest of the year, I want to welcome Joel to the show. Joel, thanks for coming on. Hey, thanks for having me, Wes. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here, Joel.

And I know there's a lot of things going on and around your property out there in the Oregon Coast. If you would, would you just kind of walk us into it? What's going on on this property? Start shaking, but I kept doing it again, you know, for the kids or what, and I never lived in the country before. That's just what happens in the country. and I work a swing shift, so I get home about 12, 30 night, and my wife says, or someone's washing me through the windows,

or it just feels creepy and stuff, and we hear noises, or, you know, she said that she's kids around here, and if there were kids, they're not going to be talking in the woods, and December, November, time frame, in the wintertime, it's cold and wet, and the bushes are incredibly thick here.

And it just sounded really, creepy, and I believed in Bigfoot Sasquatch, and I grew up in Oregon, and it's kind of in the culture here, but didn't want to say, well, maybe it's a Bigfoot. You know, she would just blown that off. And, you know, I don't know what was really the first thing that made it sound like, or like we knew this was coming by and doing things, but weird how at night. And it sounded kind of like a donkey or like elk, you know, but it wasn't elk, it wasn't a donkey, it wasn't anything that we had heard, it was backwards, and just couldn't tell what it was. And we would sit there and listen to that all night long.

I mean, I'd lean out the window at night and listen to a howl across the lake. I could have had like recordings of this howl or whatnot. And finally, I think what happened, she got that recording on a cell phone, and she sent it to me, like, hey, I recorded that, but I heard this big yell before that. What are you talking about? I don't know. It was just like a scream or really deep, like, roared. And then there's that, that's, you know what that is, hearing growls.

And I would come home at nighttime hanging out the window. Like, I have a motion, like, and it would be coming on and off and on and off. And then I'd be coming on and off. And I'd see my girls with the window open hanging out there, like they're looking at something or whatever. And, you know, get back in the house. What are you doing? Knock it off. And shut the window, lock it, put them to bed.

Two together. And we had that howl go on or the recording. It really got me with she said, you know, I heard kids talking in the woods. I heard kids talking. Well, can you explain it? She's like, well, it sounds like, I guess I'll kind of try and do it the best I can. And she said it was like a, T-D-D-D-D-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T.

One thing would say it, and another thing would answer her. A couple octos, like, do-da-da-da-da-da-da. And as soon as it did that, all hell broke loose, all the dogs in the country, or in the neighborhood just started barking and going crazy. And that's the other thing we would notice, too, was on the hill up behind us, dogs kind of around us,

and they'd be going nuts, nuts, nuts, nuts. And then, boom, they just get quiet. and nothing and then it gets really creepy outside. Like, what's going on here? So we have sounds going on. We have kids looking out the window, lights coming on and off, the house. I might have seen, they might have left a handprint in the house. We saw some kind of a smudge or something there.

Nothing definitive. And then we woke up one morning and go outside. I put my kids on the bus. and like, hey, honey, come look at this, and there's around our gravel driveway, you know, you know, pack gravel in the wintertime, it gets wet, it gets super hard, and it gets super hard, and it gets really hard to leave marks in there. If you peel out in a car, sometimes that'll leave a mark, sometimes not. 20-inch footprint there, a big, long footprint, and then I think there was one or two of those,

and then about 10 or 11, just kind of half footprints. No direction, no, no pattern to it, just all over the place. I'm like, what is this? And we took pictures, we recorded, and my wife points out of it's a big... I know it doesn't look like anything we've ever seen. And we're like, you know what this is, don't you? And she never really wanted to say it or would never say so. And it's like, well, it freaked me out at least.

And I'm sure I freaked her up, but she's not thinking something's coming by, checking out our house. You know, we live in the country, but we're not in the boonies or in the sticks. We have neighbors around us, but we're right on the edge of the country where there's nothing, you know, from to another lake. There's absolutely nothing out there except for a vacation home or two out in the middle of the woods. So I'm kind of freaking out and don't know what's going on here and doing all this research and trying to call people and figure out what we should do and bull and, you know, they gave us some good advice. Like, we cut back our brush in our houses, you know,

on Oregon, especially the coast, you know, you can cut down brush and it'll grow back in like three or four months is just as thick or thicker. So we, there's brushes and hiding spots. You know, some more lights or the lights that are burned outside, put those up, and I started to put up game cameras. And, you know, I've done some research and things, and, you know, people put up cameras, and, you know, I never really saw much about it but said you don't want them to be at. It's like, oh, okay.

And so, you know, you're not going to find, and you're probably not going to get any pictures of any Sasquatch or anything, but put them up where you think they might go through and put them up where you don't want them to be. And so I would put tight at my daughter's window. and, you know, it was almost like the next day nothing happens for all the things weird happen around the house. It just quit, you know, went away. So I'm kind of a firm believer, put the game cameras up where you don't want them to be at. And why or what, they can see them, they can hear them, I don't know, you know, kind of got people say, well, they, yeah, go ahead, go ahead. You had mentioned you put it up by your daughter's window, and that was for a specific reason, wasn't there?

Didn't your daughter tell you something? Long story. She was sick. She kind of had a fever and was delirium. It was like she had a bad drink. Monkey bears. Flat nose. You know, to a monkey?

Is it a bear? Well, we call monkey bears. And they had red eyes. And then she had a flat nose. You know, and we never talked about in front of her. We didn't watch any of the shows in front of her. And I mean, now she's like, oh, Bigfoot. Yeah, Big Feet.

You've seen all the shows. And the statues around the air. and whatnot, it's pretty prevalent. On front of her. And all of a sudden, she throws this out there. They're like, oh, man. So we're kind of even more freaked out. So once we put those cameras pointing her right towards,

you know, sometimes she wouldn't, she'd go and sleep with one of my girls in one of the rooms. And she said she's heard like a growl. You know, bears, raccoons, you know, cats fighting, whatever. go out one day and I measured to the bottom of the window. It's 10 feet to the top of it. Wow. And I'm not saying that.

I stand by the window growling. It could have been stepping back and growling in the way sound reverberates and whatnot. But above it, I got one coincidence. I got another coincidence. I got another thing happening. Another thing happened. Another thing happened. And, you know, how many things have to happen before?

It's like, well, this is what it is. Did any of your other kids talk about seeing the creature? I know one of the daughters had mentioned blood on its teeth. I try to get my daughters to talk about it. Hey, did you see a big foot? You see this? And, okay, the game's on. Oh, yeah, I saw one.

And, you know, they got your attention. I'll just tell stories. But stuck to, oh, no, it's got red eyes. Oh, dad, it's red eyes. His nose is flat. And a couple weeks ago, my daughter said, I don't know how what happened we said started talking about it. He's like, you know, Bigfoot, you know, he comes to my window.

And what do you mean? And so he says that pawing at the window, you know, or, you know, she's moving her hand like she's kind of scratching like a cat. So this Bigfoot comes and paws at the window or scratches the window to wake him up. And then she said, like, really, why to do that? I don't know. It's like, what it looked like is that had creepy eyes. yeah, its eyes are creepy.

You know, of course, she said they're red. Red eyes, and they're creepy. And then she says, well, it's all black. It's all black. Oh, what do you mean? It's all black? Well, there's a little bit of brown, but it's all black with something else, or you see anything else. And she said, well, it had blood. What do you mean has had blood in this mouth?

Oh, it's teeth for red, or there's red on its teeth. And in my other daughter kind of chimes in. I got a six-and-seven-year-old, and he said, said, well, yeah, it disappears. What do you mean? It disappears. Well, it kind of, it's there, and then it disappears, or it goes away, and then it's there and it goes away.

And I said, well, like, standing up and sitting down, like, yeah. Kind of a wake-up call. It's like, oh, well. Yeah, it's concerning, because they're coming up with details that, you know, and I've heard of the blood in the teeth before and obviously the red eyes, and there's specific descriptions their kids are giving you. I realize they're young kids, but their specific descriptions they're giving you. you, I don't see them making up. I mean, they would almost have to have seen it.

You know, and I've talked to a lot of little kids, and they do the whole thing where, I know we talked about prior to coming on there, emotioning for your kids to come outside. And I've heard that about 20 times, and mainly from little kids, that it motions for you to come outside. And that's a little more, to me, that's a little more than an animal. That's a little bit more than a bear walking up. Makes you wonder what's going on there. Why does it want your kids to come outside? or any kid to come outside. Right back into it.

And I kind of put him come and tell me, hey, all the descriptions about, I'm like, well, let me email you and see if you've heard these things before. And, well, yeah, you have heard them. I'm curious, does it happen year-round, or is there certain times of the year where you notice more activity going on? Oh, we used to our sunset,

and in the neighborhood just can't explain it. Like I said, they used to hit our house. We've heard talking all the time, Wes. You know, kids talking in the woods. It sounds like something's trying to mimic the dogs above where we live. You know, these dogs would be going nuts. Something's trying to match a dog, but it doesn't sound like a dog instead of a mixture of owls and dogs. And I've had, you know, sound like three different barred owls going off at the same time.

you know, who-hoo-hoo-hoo! You know, and it won't answer to each other right away, and, you know, I guess Al's going to be next to each other, three of them, making these weird sounds, and these sounds, it just, it's, um, there's one time I swear west something coming by my name, you know, and I know it sounds crazy. My wife was out on the couch,

and the one of jumped in bed with me, and my window was at the window, and I hear talking, and it sounds like, you know, 12 or 13-year-old girls talking like they're across the river. You know, from the end of the river and you're floating in the river in summertime, and there's some, you know, people on the other side and they're talking, you just can't quite make out what they're saying. That's what it sounded like.

I'm like, uh, I know what that is. You know, I just reaching my safe and put a rifle next to my bed, and I'm going to go to bed tonight. I'm going to let my wife sleep. And morning time comes. I'm saying, did anything weird happen last night? It's like, well, besides your dog, you know, looking like a porcupine. I had a 90-pound German Shepherd and all of, every hair in his body

was standing on, and he's facing towards the corner of his house. And I go out the next morning, and there's a big, in this packed gravel again, except this was smaller. It wasn't 20 inches. It was 15 inches maybe, so a quote-unquote small print. But this thing was two or three inches impacted in this, in this hard, hard ground. And it looked like it had kind of turned its whole body when the footprint is a little slide mark and looking back to

where my dog was growling or barking on her front and I casted that one and you can't see anything, you can just see

how big it was but kind of answer your question normally it's in November in that fall slash wintertime and in the summertime

really kind of things died down year, year and a half things really really dying down. I don't know why I'm not going to complain about it, but, you know, I think I kind of told you. It just kind of feels like a truce or something that my house was unoccupied for a year when I bought it, and it was a bank-owned house. I had to be interested to talk to the people before it, you know,

hey, why did you leave the house all of a sudden and leave this nice place? But I don't know the people. We came there, the fence wasn't gated off, so there was a path right through our backyard, so we gated that off. you know and all of a sudden there's people there you know we weren't supposed to be there that was a place they walked through kind of died down things aren't coming back around the house i don't have game cams up anymore you know point right at places because you get a picture a whole lot of pictures of nothing and um but you still hear things a night you still hear things you know you still have creepy nights i mean like last night was kind of creepy as hell I'm walking in there and bang on the door.

Hey, let me in. Let me get it. It's creep out here. I had this big German Shepherd that was going crazy before. I sent you a little sound before, and you can hear him. And we don't have him anymore, but we have a service dog for one of my girls. She has a disability, so she has a dog, and service dogs don't bark. They don't growl.

You know, most of the time this dog barked the other night. It was Christmas night, actually. he's bearing his teeth, you know, at the door. And he's kind of freaking my girl out. Like, what's going on? My dog girl is the one who had seen the monkey bear. You know, like, you know, Mom, don't go outside. Yeah, don't go outside and get eaten by whatever's out there today, you know.

And that's all I said. So I think there's probably things still going on, still around, hanging out there not to the degree that it was. And, you know, it's December now. So, I mean, go up again. I mean, this will be the kind of time frame that would happen. But I'm not an expert. I don't know why, you know, one-year things kind of go off

and the next year they're not. You know, I'm just kind of observing and reporting and seeing what's going on. Yeah, it's interesting. You mentioned your name being called. You know, I was out of the Browns property. I've talked about it many times on the show here in Washington State. And Sarah had recordings of her name being called, I mean, and multiple recordings of her name being called.

And it kind of sounds, I don't know how to put it. It sounds like a deaf person saying her name, a really deep, deep voice, almost like a deaf person saying her name. But in the recordings, you hear Sarah, Sarah, and I was listening to it, and I was like, I was listening to it, and I was like, well, how does I know your name? And one time I was over there and Sarah was out walking around the property. And John, her husband, had come home. and he walked out to the back of the property and he goes, Sarah, Sarah, and then she answered him. And I thought, I wonder if that's how it knows his name. But you hear that a lot on people's property, where their name is being called from the woods.

It concerns me with your daughter having so much information. It's almost like she has more information than you guys do. And that's very concerning for it coming up. And I've heard kids, you know, I've talked to many kids off there. They'll say monkey bear, they'll say bear man, they'll say monkey man. I think one kid called it Curious George coming up to their windows. And it's very similar to what you're describing, what your daughter told you. It's very similar.

Tapping on the window, waking them up in the middle of night, kind of motioning for them to come outside. And let me ask you, with the game cams, why do you think it stopped with the game cams? What's your theory on that? I look and I can see it a little red light, bright conditions. I can see it. The thing goes off. And I had to set the video. You know, I've got video to notice that too.

They didn't just knock it down or destroy it or something. I don't know. I just things up. And once you get some reaction, you'd hear some word noises at night or something, but it stopped coming around the house. And, hey, I'm okay with that. So I'll stay in my house, and it's all good. I'm not going to go looking for you,

but you don't come up to my place, and we'll live and let live. The night your girls were looking at the window at something. Did they ever tell you what they were looking at when they were hanging out the window looking at something in the woods? Kind of yelled home and like, no, we don't do that. that and close it up and lock it. And we eventually found some little, you know, into the slide and stuff like that.

So it would be harder for them to do that. They can unlock that stuff now. I think now if they were to see something now, at least my younger two kids would, you know, start screaming or, hey, it's a big foot. No, no, no, you don't go outside. You know, it's... Yeah, they're older now. The kind of novelty is worn off.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it really is. I mean, it's disturbing, especially when it's your family and, you know, And, you know, it's not a fun experience when these things are on your property. I've talked to many people who've had these things on their property. It becomes a nuisance. It becomes almost like you're afraid to go home.

It becomes, you know, in those situations, I know you and I talked about this, but and I'm all for killing one of these things. I'm all for it. I would be happy if one got shot. I know most of the audience is turned off by me saying that. But I'd be happy if one got shot, drugged in, and it was proven. Absolutely, I'd be happy with that. I don't think everyone should go through killing these things, but I think one has to die.

The only time I tell people not to shoot is when it's on their property, because you have to live with the consequences. And I think it's a bad idea to shoot unless it's a last-ditch effort. One's coming through the door and you have no other option. But to go out and blast these things on your property, I just think it's a bad idea. And that's my opinion, which doesn't mean much, but I would advise anyone who's on a property, not to shoot these things because bad things happen after you shoot these things. From somebody, because I know there's people this happens to, and they're like, oh my gosh, what the heck do I do? What can I do?

And, you know, what is this? Is this a ghost or is this, you know, coming on your property or is this, you know, a Bigfoot or is that? Are those real? You know, I had no idea what to do at first. And we're, I don't know, for lack of our term, we're just kind of used to it now. Things aren't quite as terrifying. Things aren't quite as close and personal. You know, we're just aware. And that's just kind of, you know, our mind frame or kind of our, you know, how we

react and how we live up there. You hear a word sound? Don't just ignore that. You know, that's still my place. I mean, I wouldn't try and talk to my neighbors. And with mixed results, some guys, oh, yeah, yeah, that must be big foot. and then some people are just sitting there looking at me with a weird look at them. Nope, never heard that.

And there's a lot of people at my place, and nobody admits to or told me, yeah, I hear these things. You know, we're in the country. We have people living, you know, right next to us, but we're right on the border of the boonies. You know, we're the only ones to hear this stuff. And that's why I thought maybe I'm crazy and maybe I'm making this up because people aren't see these things and do these things, but it can happen right under people's noses, and they won't know it. Side and, you know, on or yell at something or, you know, nothing runs off.

You don't hear anything run off, you know, and they're not scared of you. They're not scared of people or, like you said, guns or things like that, stealthy, and, you know, they can be living right next to you and people might not know it. or people do know it and they have no idea what to do or say or where to begin. Yeah, I think the fact that it's showing such interest in your kids makes me nervous, especially your young one, that is showing such interest in it, that it has the nuts to come up to the window, tap on it. I would almost take out that room.

If activity picks back up, I would almost take out that room all night and have your daughter sleep and just wait, wait for it. That's me. But, you know, the other thing, too, is, is you asked what to do. I think he did all the right things. You know, there's really no science behind what to do. Sometimes things work. Sometimes they don't. Game cams, you know, like the guys at the siege of Hunabi, they put up game cams on their right below every window. They put a game cam. And it stopped coming up for the most part. It got them to back off a lot. And I think you're doing all the right

things, you know, lighting the place up. And it's when those things don't work, you kind of I got to put your heads together and figure out what to do. I would say 90% of the time that gets them to back off. Sometimes not always, though. I've had people who put up the big floodlights, and they'll come through and smash them out. I've had a witness in Washington tell me that. They put up all these floodlights, and they were going to try and get a picture of one. And one night, it came through and smashed out all the lights.

There were about 10 feet up, and it smashed them all out. So there was really nothing, you know, at that point, what do you do? I think in this case, you never really get rid of them on your property. That's the problem is you never truly get rid of them by doing these little things. They'll always kind of be around the property, but they'll stop coming up to the house. And I think in your situation, the fact that they've done that, I would just keep an eye on those kids. I wouldn't let them stroll around through the backyard or through the woods alone

because obviously there's an interest in those kids. Have you and your wife seen it? I know you had mentioned the shaking of the brush and everything like that. About one of the hills by town, and there was this guy mowing the lawn there, and let me backtrack a little bit. So, hey, we've got to go. Like, well, what are you talking about? Okay, we'll go.

We got in that car and took, like, you, the bears out here, if they hear you smelling, if they hear your car coming, they'd taken off, we would have heard of crash. You know, they're very timid and docile out here on the, you know, on Western Oregon on the coast. We go back two and a half weeks later, you know, okay, bears, this, whatever, and there's this guy cutting the grass for the park service or for the campgrounds, and we start talking, and at the end he's like, well, look out for Bigfoot,

you know, kind of doing that joking thing, kind of gauging your interest, like, hey, have you seen Bigfoot? You know, that's kind of weird, but so we'll make a joke out of it. And I was like, I've heard that about this place. what happened to you? And so he tells me about two weeks before that, you know, three days after we had our experience, he said he pulled up there, he was going to mow the grass, and he stepped out of his truck to have a cigarette,

and just something yells at him, growls at him, he couldn't describe it, he just kind of getting excited and animated. And he wouldn't make the sound of like, here does it sound like, like with a big exhale, he's like, yeah, yeah, that's what it is. And so I try to get my wife to talk to him. Hey, what sound does that thing make at our house, or what has you heard? And she wouldn't do it. You're crazy.

You guys are obsessed. We're not talking Bigfoot with strangers. And the guy says, I'll make the sound. And he just turns red, so it's shaking her head. She's like, yeah, yep, that's what happened. That's the sound we heard. You know, so here's three people who don't know each other at all, making the same sounds of this, you know, imaginary creature that doesn't exist.

You know, a big foot in that area, or that big hairy thing was probably that. And there are so many stories from that part of the, you know, our country. You know, I was out on the side of the road and I just mixed in. There's E. She's arms. I have a gun that I'm chopping and I hear another er. Oh, come on. I go to my truck, I grab my rifle, I set it next down to me, I just keep chopping. I was so tired, I'm just focused on what's going on there.

And then there's all kinds of stories about hunters getting yelled at, getting screamed at there, people telling me, hey, I swear to God they were screaming at me in a tree. I talked to a lady not far from that area. She was a flagger at night, and they said, we hate flagging a night. We always feel like we're being watched. And she said she had horses and bobcats. I believe, they come tearing out of the mountainside, out on the highway, and they turn around, look at them, and just start chatter, and like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

Like, I don't know. I don't know how it was like. Just weird chattered at them. And then run off, he's like, that's just the weirdest thing I ever felt. And they don't want to flag there at night, but, you know, you do what you got to do. You got to make money, right? Yeah. You know, it's one of those areas, and I don't want to mention the area where you're at,

because if you mention it, it'd be really easy to figure out where you're at. But I know that area well, and I know that it's notorious for sightings. As you and I talked yesterday, I've had a lot of encounters from that area a lot. You know, from lumber forestry guys, people that live in the area. I've actually had a lot of encounters from that area. It's kind of notorious for sightings. And you're right about black bears in that area. I don't think your wife would have seen a black bear because the minute they get a sniff of you,

the minute you make a noise, the minute you do anything, they're gone, they're skittish. And they're real skittish in this area. They want nothing to do with you. I mean, I can't even think of the last time there was a Black Bear attack because they're run. They're run from you. Yeah, they're more, that's just what I have to think, you know, what else would that be? Or he said he got yelled at, you know, in the exact same area three days later. So, I mean, how many different coincidences you have to have before you put, you know, two?

Yeah, I know you're right. And I wanted to ask you, what do you think Sasquatch is? I mean, you haven't seen one. I know your wife might have seen one or she might have seen a bear. It's hard to say. I doubt it was a bear, because all she would have seen was a black flash and that thing would have been gone. But what do you think that Sasquatch is? With everything going on in that house, and I know sometimes it's hard to lay out a timeline because so many weird things happen, and I get that. But based on the behavior, the sounds you've heard, your name being called, your daughter talking about it being a monkey bear, which is her child's way of describing what she's seeing. What do you think that they are, Joel? Or an animal? Yeah, I understand. No, you wouldn't. You would put up with it.

Yeah, sure. But I'm not going looking for them and trying to find out this or that. No, just leave me alone. I'll leave you guys alone. Yeah, and I think that's the best way to handle it. Like I said, I think you're doing everything right. It sounds like they backed off the property. they're not coming up to the windows and everything like that.

I would still keep an eye on everything. And you'll have to keep me up to date. Let me know what happens out there. I gosh, I wish it was November. I'd come out and visit you and just take a look around. But either way, you'll have to keep me up to date, Joel. Let me know what's going on out there. And if anything new happens, will you?

And I really appreciate your time. Well, hey, thanks for having me on and kind of let me share my story. And, you know, hopefully to... Thanks, Joel. And that's it for tonight, everyone. remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, I want to close out with a song called Black Lake. I played it before. The group is called

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