Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:504 Mill Race Monster

Episode Date: January 7, 2019

Dave writes "I had an experience while canoeing. It happen from an area where an event happen 40 to 50 years earlier. You can google the Mill Race Monster in Columbus, Indiana. I knew nothing about big foot before my experience…..changed my life." Spoke to the witness and he was canoeing on the Flat Rock River when he got stuck in a wood jam in the river. He pulled the canoe out of the river. The witness said "I was dragging the canoe when I started smelling something terrible. It smelled like a dead animal and rotting garbage. It was so bad I almost started dry heaving. The forest erupted, it sounded like king kong was breaking trees and screaming at me. I had no clue what was going on. I grabbed the canoe and started dragging it back to the river. That is when all hell broke loose….." MILL RACE MONSTER: On November 1, 1974, the Columbus Police Department received a series of panicked reports from no less than two sets of eyewitnesses, all of whom claimed to have seen (and even been attacked by) a huge, bipedal, green-skinned monstrosity that took to skulking near the waterways inside Indiana's 83-acre Mill Race Park. These encounters would alarm locals and lead to what some consider to be the biggest "monster hunt" in the history of the United States. My second guest tonight is Shane. Shane writes "when I was about sixteen or seventeen years old, I had my first encount with this creature. I was coon hunting with two older friends in Barrow County, Georgia. At this time I had been hunting on this 3,000 acre tract of land for about two months. It was about 9 o'clock at night when the incident took place. It was a fairly cold night and very dark in those woods. We had smelt a terrible odor to which, at first, we had contributed to that of a skunk. After we passed through the area and out of the odor, we began to hear movement in the brush off of the trail behind us. We kept moving deeper into the woods some distance behind the hounds which had , by this time, was trailing a raccoon. The noises behind us kept getting closer and louder. We had first thought it was one of the dogs that had come back in to us for some reason. This was unusual to us as all of the hounds we had were champion coonhounds and would rather die than give up on running a raccoon. We began to curse and swear as we thought it was one of our hounds. We soon discovered that it was not one of our dogs. We could plainly hear each dog's voice in the front of us as they were bawling away in pursuit of the raccoon. My friend Hubert, jokingly said that it must be the "Werewolf" that was following us. He told Ray and myself to turn off our hunting lights and wait for a signal from him. At his signal we were to point our lights in the direction of the noise moving ever closer to us. Hubert had a .22 rifle that he carried that was for shooting the coon out of the tree after our dogs treed it. Hubert made the comment that if he didn't like what he seen in the beams of our lights that he was going to start shooting. At the signal Ray and I turned our lights on high and shined the beams in the direction of the noise. There in the light was a tall dark figure that ran off as soon as the lights were upon it. It was huge and ran upright on two legs just like a man. This stunned all three of us and Hubert never fired a shot as he was not sure as to what we had just seen. This was not a man nor was it a bear. It was too large and bulky to be a man and was too large to be a black bear. Besides, a bear only walks on it's hind legs a short distance and awkwardly at that. This thing was sprinting away, leaning slightly forward as it moved. It was breaking branches and tree limbs as it ran away up a wooded hillside. It was soon out of hearing distance. We did not care to investigate it as we were too scared and shocked to do so. We then, after we calmed down, made our way to get the dogs and get back to the truck. Ater hurriedly putting the dogs in the dogbox and putting away our gear, we were soon on the old logging road getting out of there. One the way home, Ray and Hubert began to talk about more experiences as well as footprints that they had seen on this tract of land. I continued to hunt here for many years afterwards. I never again saw or heard anything again. We did continue to smell that same odor that we smelt when we had the encounter. It always unnerved me a little everytime we hunted in that area. Was what we saw a Bigfoot? I think so and will continue to believe so till my dying day."   https://sasquatchchronicles.com/   [e-mail]

Black thing go from left to right and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling out me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun.

And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him.

You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I know it's real, and what I saw is not a joke. It was not a person in a costume. It was really something that could move around. It could grimace its face.

It was growling. It was very aggressive. So people can think what they want to. I know what I saw. and it was pretty bad. I don't want to think about it too long because it scares me to this day. On November 1st, 1974,

the Columbus Police Department received a series of panicked reports from several eyewitnesses, all who have claimed to have seen and even been attacked by a huge bipedal green skin monster that stocked the waterways inside Indiana's 83-acre

Mill Race Park. These encounters would alarm locals and lead to what some considered to be the big the biggest monster hunt in the history of the United States. The first encounter involved four young women. At approximately 3 p.m. on November 1st, 1974, one of the young women spotted The Thing between two trees near the paved boat ramp that led to the east fork of the White River,

not far from where the driftwood and flat rock river merge. The terrified teens wasted no time in escaping the park and reported the incident to law enforcement officials. They stated that they had seen a green, hairy, large creature. But this wouldn't be the last time the creature was seen. Later on, that same evening, a pair of women, having heard nothing about the teenager's earlier sighting, decided to stop in the Mill Race Park to chat and eat the fast food they had picked up. Only one of the pair to ever come forward regarding this event was Tyra Catalan.

She related details of the incident. It was just a typical evening, shortly after Halloween, and we decided to take our dinner down to the park and eat it and talk. We were just kind of staring out into the dark woods. Out from the woods comes us saying, they had to have been at least seven feet tall, if not taller. It was way taller than a normal man. It was beating on the windshield, trying to get a little bit. get in and we were screaming. Through the battered and mucus smeared windshield, Catalan finally managed to get a look at the monster.

There was a greenish tinge to him, the thing's face. I don't know if it had been in the river drinking and it got moss on it because there was so much slime on its face. It did have things and it was trying to bite through the glass. And I was afraid he was going to tear the door off. Nothing has ever scared me as much as that. Finally, the driver of the car was able to compose herself enough to start the engine, and the pair made a quick exit.

Like the teenage girls who'd seen the thing earlier in the day, the women who did not know the girls, who had not heard their story, drove straight to the police station to report the monster. The police, according to Catalan, were no more prone to believing these older eyewitnesses than they had been with the first group. It seemed like they were laughing about it. They said, oh, monster? Really? Have you been drinking? I said, no, it's real. It's out there. You got to go down there. It's out there. And it's going to get somebody.

The skeptical officers started to change their tune about a monster lurking, because there was no denying the damage done to the car or the horrific stench that surrounded it. This wouldn't be the last report to come in. Several reports had come in to the Columbus Police Department, even by city officials who had seen the creature. The creature was being seen so much the local media had picked up the story. Soon there was small local posseys being formed, people going out with guns. The frightened locals were armed to the teeth and roaming around in the dark near residential areas. The city park director had ordered the park to be closed. The locals call the creature the mill race monster, and it's still being seen today. Welcome to the show, everyone.

here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. Kind of a quick history lesson on the Mill Race Monster and I really only covered two encounters. There's a ton of encounters if you go look up during that time and even up until this day there's a lot of people seeing this creature running around that Mill Race Park. Dave was actually out canoeing and he wasn't far from Mill Race Park when a very strange incident happened to him and then we'll talk to Shane who comes to us from Georgia and Shane was actually out hunting and the creature stood up right in front of him and two other guys and walked off. I hope you enjoyed the show tonight. If you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out

Sasquatch Chronicles.com, let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Dave to the show. Dave, thanks for coming on. Yeah, I'm glad to have you here. And I know your encounter took place in 2008 back in Indiana and we talked a little bit about the mill race monster. If you would though, Dave, would you kind of walk us into your encounter? Tell us what you were doing and what happened?

Yeah, it was afternoon. I decided to go canoeing a body to go when I've canoed the Flat Rock River numerous times. Didn't have any concern. I started canoeing previously weeks

before. I started experiencing a of log jams that were created weeks earlier. And I was on the Flat Rock River coming out of Shelby County, and I just crossed down on Flatrock River. And came up on a log jam that I couldn't get around. I pulled my canoe over to the left side of the river and evaluated the situation. And it was just impossible to get around on the river. bank, a high grove of trees on the right hand side, and then it was a heady wooded area

to the left and then came back into the river. It said, you know, that it continued on, that it didn't add in. I would probably say the distance, but it was in a... Once I figured out I was going to have to drag my canoe, I got my stuff packed and continued. He made me want to immediately. Got my composure back, and I... finally got to the point where I could stand up and I was looking around and instantly I thought of was that somebody had swept back into this area and that, you know, that I was going to, you know,

find a dead body. I don't know how else to put it. And I think that's what, where my fear in my mind, that's what I was thinking. And as I kept looking around me and I didn't see anything. I'm thinking that maybe some fish got caught back in there. and didn't see any dead fish either. So at that point, I shook it off and grabbed my canoe and was like, you know, I got to get myself back on the river and I started proceeding on. And about at that point, I heard a to my left

in the high grove of trin equated to that sounded like three deer that were batted down. And I don't know how many of the listeners have ever jumped deer, but when they come springing up and busting out of a wood patch area, makes a tremendous amount of noise. And that's what it sounded like. And so immediately, as soon as we're deer, this area,

I immediately stopped because I wanted to see, I wanted to see the deer. And when I stopped, it immediately stopped. And whatever me, And at a time, that's when I had a tremendous amount. It wasn't deer. It wasn't certain what was going on because I never had any prior experiences and I never studied Bigfoot or anything of that nature.

That was from my mind. I started thinking about things like cougars and it was moving. So you hear this saying it stops. As you're walking, it's walking. And what happens next? I grabbed the canoe, different animals, that if you got something that's going to get aggressive with you, if you show dominance, that that's your best line of defense. Inside, what I wanted to do was I wanted to run back. I'm out in the middle of nowhere.

And I needed it my only way to get out of that area. I had to get back on that river with that canoe. So mine in a matter of size, I was too tucked it up and ended up and started my way down. that crick, I mean, you know, I mean, I'm, and it is whatever, again, not even thinking about anything to do. It starts my left, and put it, is it sounded like an elf. And it's, and whatever it is, it's, you know how it is when you can't see something, your eye goes to where the noise is coming from? Yeah. You know, you'll, you'll look that direction. Well, I'm looking eight to, 10 feet up in the air. I'm not looking at my level. I'm looking up. So the noises that I'm hearing up above, what I mean it's not trying to over exaggerate, but I bet you it snapped

50 to 60 limbs. I mean, and it is, and I'm moving, and I'm dragging that crick as I can. Not running, I'm trying to keep from looking, which I was. And that's the only time in my life that I would ever use the word that I've been terrified. And it's snapping limbs. And as I keep moving down the creek bed, right coming back to the river, and this thing's still moving with me the entire. Finally get to the river. And when I get there, and I get to the edge, and I get that.

And at that point, I stood, I was ready to jump. in the canoe and just jump in it and get on the river. But I guess safety, because I'm standing by the edge of the river in my canoe, I decide to light up a cigarette, and I'm sitting there smoking the cigarette, and I'm looking, and I'm trying to wrap my mind. You know, what in the world, you know, is this that this just happened? And I'm looking, and I can't see anything. And next thing I know, I hear that.

this, and this is probably 30 foot, you know, the width of it. The thing I know, after this thing, it's a little emotional talking about it, a piece of drift was roughly three feet in length. It was probably every bed of 36 inches in diameter. I guess the only way that I can describe it is I don't know anything humanly possible and do what I'm getting ready to describe. I saw this driftwood come flying out of the edge of the tree line where this tree line, it's 10 feet in the air, and it is straight out of the tree line at 10 feet,

and it went into a small grove of trees that were probably about 12 inches in diameter, and there was probably about 15 or 20 of them, and when it flies into it, it snapped. At that point, when I saw that, I lunged and dove into my canoe and got into the center of the river as quick as I could. And I sat there for a minute, blowing at all. The trees were moving. Any trees, a piece of driftwood flew into and broke.

They were violently shaking, and there was probably 25 of these. And when I mean shaking, they were swaying back and forth as if it was the hardest windstorm, you could imagine. These trees were just swaying back and forth. I would have to. What did you think was going on at the time? Well, at the time, I couldn't wrap my mind. I literally couldn't. I didn't know.

I really was just done. I guess the best way for me to answer this is I got down the river and I didn't talk about it for probably four years. Like I said earlier, I never did any studying on Sasquatch. It was, you know, I'm 52 years old. It's something, you know, when I was younger, but it was always, you know, You know, it was for math, you know, when I was growing up. So, you know, it's not like you, I just never investigated, never studied it. It was just something that you heard about.

And like I said, you know, I never, that was the furthest thing from my mind. So to get to the point four years go by. And I started YouTube and different things, documentaries. uh, bios, eyewitness account YouTube video about a guy that had a big foot siding. And, and I never equated what I went through that, you know, watched that YouTube and talking about experience. I've heard on your, your different podcasts with different people with what I experienced. Holy cow, you know, um, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the aggressive, violent behavior.

and and so I one thing led to another and I never knew anything about the mill what I did one day was I was curious once I saw that YouTube video and I started thinking about what I went through and so I googled Bigfoot sightings in southern Indiana. There was a lot and so I decided to Google Bigfoot sightings in Bartholomew County in Indiana and that's when the mill race monster came up and what i found awful ironic was that i was only eighth took 50 years you know earlier than and at that point i said to myself that's exactly what and that millrace monster that does go back many years and there's still encounters today what i find fascinating especially with the mill race monster it seems to happen around that flat rock river

a lot around that waterway. That seems to be where most people run into it. And I think all the behaviors, it's interesting that it got so pissed off that it would throw a log. When it threw it, did it come close to you? No, I guess the best way for me to describe it is I think what it got pissed about

was that I did not continue to keep moving. That when I got to the edge of the river, I stood there by my canoe and, you know, lit that cigarette and took about three drags off of it. And then, you know, next thing you know, this thing screams and this tremendous grunt. And I know that grunt was from it, you know, throwing that log. Because as soon as I heard the grunt, that's when this big flying out at 10 feet. And I'm talking that when it hit the trees, it snapped them.

I mean, whatever trees it hit, it snapped. In my opinion, it's to get me to keep moving, you know, because I stopped. And I was, you know, standing on the edge of the river and it was kind of like it wanted me out of that area. Yeah, it's very territorial, very aggressive. You hear a lot of hunters I've had on the show where hunters are out and they will be paced out like how you were paced out. you stop, it stops. You move, it moves. And you hear that behavior constantly. And you're probably right. You know, you probably figured, what are you doing? You're not, obviously, I didn't scare this guy enough. It's time to scream and toss a log in his general direction to get him moving. I think a lot of

times in those situations, if you don't leave, it probably would have stepped out, came out in the open. It was probably trying to conceal itself, be as territorial as possible without an altercation. But it makes me wonder if you wouldn't have left if you just stayed there? The trees and the screaming that I heard, it came from the other side of that drug. My opinion, looking back on it, I think there was one behind me as the one was flanking me to the left when I was trying to get to the river, because there's no way from the time it threw that log, and I never took my eyes off of that area for it to get over there to where those trees were at, where I heard the additional screaming and the trees violently swine.

And these are big trees. These aren't small, you know, saplings. I mean, these trees were, I don't know, I would probably say, you know, 25 feet in height and, you know, 12 to 15 inches in diameter, you know, the trunk, you know, the size of the trunk, you know, and like I said, there was about, you know, 20 of them. And all of them are swaying, not just one of them. I mean, I'm being shook.

I wouldn't have been pulling that, dragging that canoe that I don't know if I would have made it out. I've never been terrified. I'd never had fear inside of me like I had at that moment. I felt like I was in danger. I think the only thing that saved me was it. it started, but I think it knew that I was trying to get to the river. I think if I was just walking in there, if I was just been walking and made it out.

One of the things that I told, you know, for four years, I never said nothing. I started gathering information and led to another, and I came across to another gentleman that I met through a mutual friend, and out of the blue, my mutual friend. in your Bigfoot experience. And I thought he was making fun of me when he said it. And I just looked at him and said, hey, man, you know, like, you know, what's your point of doing this? And he was sincere.

And he said, no, he said, I really want you to tell him about your Bigfoot experience because he had one. And at that point, I looked at the guy and I said, well, why don't you go ahead and tell me what happened to you and tell my story? And then him, you know, he went ahead and told me, and he was on together with Flat Rock River, and it makes White River. And they come together there at Mill Race. So these two rivers join.

And this gentleman told me about his Bigfoot experience, and he saw one. It was about 1 o'clock in the morning, and they were down at a boat launch area, and they had to take a leak, and they drove down into that boat launch area at about one in the morning and turned the car off. And he said he was using the restroom, and he was just standing there. And so they would just look to his left, and a creature on two legs that was walking towards him through a wood line and cried like one of those overflow cricks that come off of the main river line. and he said that he was there earlier, and he knew that that high feet, he said it was up to his chin, was how deep that creek was. And when he watched that Bigfoot, or, you know, he said it was walking on two legs. And when it crossed through that water, he said it was only about waist deep.

And he watched it walk up out of it. And it walked up through a tree line and crossed the road and kept migrating. And he saw it with his own eyes. And so that area, a couple of miles from Flat Rock, they migrate the rivers. Yeah, it's possible. It's interesting because there is a lot of encounters around that river and around the waterways through there. I've had a lot of encounters sent to me. I've read a lot of historical accounts through there.

And there's a lot going on down there. Do you still go canoeing or have you been back to that area? Well, yes and no. So, yeah, as a young kid, like I said, I'm 52, when I was 10, 11 years old, you know, that's back when Fur brought money, you know, Fox and Mink and Muskrat, you know, and we used to make a pretty good living when I was a kid and I had a trap line of 40 or 50 traps. and I'd run it every morning at 5 a.m. in the morning, and I would walk my entire trap line down along the Flat Rock River as a young kid and never thought nothing about it and trapped. And I've hunted my entire life and fish on the river, you know, walk back on the river by myself and spend all day, you know, fishing. And to be quite honest with you, I've quit. I am by myself any longer.

I will canoe, but I won't canoe without somebody being with me. I won't canoe by myself and I won't canoe any longer without me. Like I said earlier, it's not that I think that I would be able to kill, you know, if I'm going to, if I'm going to do it with a fight. And, you know, that day I didn't have anything. with me. You know, I didn't have a gun. I didn't have nothing. But after what I went through, you wouldn't catch me. I saw me. Yeah. And I won't canoe by myself. Well, that's probably for the best anyway. You know, monsters and saskatch aside, bad things can happen on the river,

you know what I mean, especially when you're canoeing. Yeah, it's an active area. And then the other thing I wanted to add also real quickly is so in Columbus, maybe, maybe an eighth mile. Now, my house doesn't, but it runs back behind. And I would say as far as a distance, probably river, maybe eighth mile. And there's a bunch of houses behind me. It's an area called the Lagoon's. And I sleep with my windows open during the spring and during the summer. It's not, you know, really humid outside. I don't run air conditioning. You know, I keep my windows open.

And I've had many a night that I've been asleep and around midnight to one in the morning. You can hear Trey knocks together. We're almost sound like, you know, and when I tell people or when I've asked people, hey, you know, did you hear that last night? You know, they, and I tell them what I've heard, you know, everybody always wants to, probably a bobcat or a coy, but it sounds just like the vocalizations that I've YouTube, this pollination that I've been able to pull. But I'm just talking, cat wrenching screams in the middle of the night coming.

Yeah, it sure seems like an active area, that's for sure. And it's a terrifying account that you had, Dave. I mean, when you're alone and, you know, what else could it be? It's not a person. It's not a bear. And then you start looking at the history of that area, and it's notorious for sightings. I mean, absolutely notorious for sightings. You know, I know sometimes it's hard to wrap your head around what happened to you, and sometimes it's hard to talk about it, but I really

appreciate you taking the time to come on the show and talk about it. It was my pleasure. I enjoy your program, regular people on your program, given their testimony of things that they've experienced because, you know, you really question yourself when you experience something like that. And, you know, so to listen to different people throughout the country with similar experiences is comforting, I guess, is a good way of putting it. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks again, Dave. You're welcome. Thank you.

Well, next up, I want to welcome Shane to the show. Shane, thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Yeah, thank you for being here. And I know you had an encounter when you were out hunting. It was in Georgia, wasn't it, Shane? Yeah, it was.

Sure was. Well, if you would, would you start from the beginning? Tell us what happened, and what did you see? Okay. I actually occurred. It was in November of 1991. I was still in high school. I hunted with an older gentleman by the name of Hubert.

At the time, he was in his mid-50s. And the overseer of this property that we hunted, Ray, he lived on a property, so he kind of tried to watch over things for the owner. But once I got to know Hubert, I had talked with Hubert and hung out with him for a couple months before the first time I went hunting with him. And the first time we were going down to the hunting property, and it was about a two-hour drive to go from where Hubert lived to the hunting. land. And he was telling me, he said, he told him it's a shame buddy. He goes, I'm not trying to scare you or anything like that.

He said, but we have some kind of strange habit that's going on down here on this property. And he said, it's been like that ever since he started hunting down there. Well, at the time, I didn't take nothing of it. And he got down there to the property and got brave because he always would go with us. and we had about, well, I say we, Hubert had about 3,200 acres, give or take 100 acres that we had permission to hunt. And as far as I know at that time, the only people that had keys to all the gates on the property was the owner and Ray, which was the overseer in Hubert.

So we had a bunch of places we could unlock the gates and go in. Well, I had been hunting with Hubert for probably almost a year when we all three had just deciding that I'm fixing to relate. But there was some strange goings on prior, you know, within that year or so before the siding, we would hear strange vocalizations from time to time. Hubert was a real avid outdoorsman. He pretty much grew up in the woods. He was a brain cord for, oh, Lord, I couldn't tell you how long for years and years and years. And so he was real knowledgeable on the animals and stuff that was in this area that we hunted. And he would always say, tell me, you know, he said, Shane, he said, that's not a bobcat.

That's not a coyote. that's, you know, that's not a fox. That's not anything. And the biggest animals that I know of it was down there, we have some wild hogs down there. They get pretty good side. But other than wild hog, we had white-tailed deer, of course. And that's about the biggest animals that we,

that was down on that property in that part of Georgia. Well, like I said, we had heard some vocalizations and things like that. There were a couple occasions as well to where we actually had some rocks thrown at us. And several times we had run into this real strong pungent over. It's hard for me to describe, but I guess you would call it. It was like a cross between what I would call a pig pen, a wet dog, and just nasty rotten eggs and just all kind of stuff put up together. The first time I ever smelled that, you know, we all free smelled that that first time, you know, for first time for me.

Not first time for them, but first time for me. And I said, that must be an old pole cat or something. That's just what down here, a lot of this old country boys call a skunk, an old pole cat. and he said, buddy, he said, I'll start a pole cat. And he's not going to tell you that. We'd smell this odor, you know, from time of time and had rocks thrown at us and stuff. But this particular night that we had to siding, we got down to the property. And when we went into the gate at this location was an old road.

If you didn't have a four-wheel drive truck or a four-wheeler, you couldn't get in and out of it. but on Hubert always get out and walk the hubs on the truck so we can get down to the land. But we would probably drive close to a quarter of a mile down through the woods, and then there was a small open clearing where we parked. And when we pull up, on the right was a big creek. It wasn't a river. It was pretty wide and pretty deep, but it wasn't big enough to be a river. Like I told you earlier, when it did rain, there was no way for us to cross it.

You know, and most of the time the water was about knee-deep. But it was cold night in November. Got her gear on, got everything suited up, turning the dogs out of the dog box. It's typical night, you know, for us. And we started making a way into the woods. Now, this particular place was one of our favorite. places to turn the dogs out. And, of course, Hubert and Ray had been hunting this land for years and years before I ever

started hunting with them. And I would think it was about a year that I had known Hubert and started hunting with him when this encounter took place. But turned dogs loose. We start walking down into... the woods and the woods are pretty thick and I can see you got a big creek on your right hand side and there's some small rolling hills that are wooded that's on the left side as you're going in and we had turned out so many times of this place that we just had a big old path

that was wallowed out by us by walking walking in there and it was at times that at certain places. You could get three people shoulder to shoulder, you know, just walking along, listening to the dogs and waiting for the dogs to strike up and stuff. But I couldn't, I'm not really sure how far down in the woods we were at that time. We were pretty, pretty good ways in. Because I remember we crossed a small creek that ran into the bigger creek. And a lot of times we stopped and get water from there.

from being thirsty and all. But we were pretty, pretty far deep in the woods. We started hearing something behind us. Something rushing around. If we turned around, it would have been on the left of this path. So we had this big, thick patch of woods that run all the way through between the path that we would take to come in and the big creek. And we had heard it and we walked, keep it.

We've got to keep it. We've got to keep the dogs within hearing distance because at that time, we didn't use tracking callers or anything like that. Hubert couldn't hear very well, and so I was his ears to keep the dogs in hearing distance and tell him which way we needed to go wherever the dogs were working. The track would have heard this several times behind us, and at times it seemed like it would get closer and closer. and we'd stopped and Hubert said he said it may not be one of the dogs coming back because at the time all the dogs that we had we had red-boned cune hounds every dog that we had

was either a night champion or grand night champion I would argue that at that time in the super early 90s that they were some of the best coon hounds in the state of Georgia at that time want a bunch of competition hunts with these dogs. But we knew these dogs wouldn't come off of a trail, and especially when they got a raccoon tree, they would not come off the tree until we were there

and we had to lease these dogs, you know, put tree leaves on to leave them away because we hardly ever killed any raccoons. We were in it for the pleads. for the pleasure of being out the woods, friendship with each other, and listening and watching the dogs work. That's what we were into.

We wasn't about to kill for us because we just didn't, that's just the way we were. They didn't care anything about it. But Hebert made that comment about the dog coming back, and I told him, Mr. Hubert, buddy, I said, this, that's not one of the dogs because I had hunted with these dogs for so long.

any old coon hunter or rabbit hunter, a squirrel hunter, the hunts with dogs, you can have 10 dogs. And you know these dogs so well by their voices that you can tell which dog is which, just by the sound of their barking. And when they change their barks, it means that they're doing different stuff. And you can kind of tell what the dogs are doing just by listening to them because they're telling you by their bark what they're doing. I talk to Hubert, buddy, there's a,

that's not one of her dogs that's come back. And he said, and I told him just a little bit after, I said, Hubert, I said, dogs are going. I said, we got to get closer to the dogs. And so we kept on going through the woods and still, time of time hearing stuff rushing in the woods behind us. And this time, we were still on a trail, because that trail we had in there went forever.

and it pretty much stayed with the creek. Pretty much the creek was on our right side, the big creek, just about the whole time unless the dogs crossed it, then we would have to cross it herself to go out through dogs. But Hubert made another comment. He said, that might be one of more wild hogs. He goes, I don't know. And he said if it starts getting any closer,

he said we might have to do something about it. I thought, okay, you know, when we continue your hunt, listening to the dogs, and it got pretty loud. And it wouldn't too, too far away from us at that time. And Hubert just jokingly, he was a really, Hubert was a really good guy, and he was a real lighthearted guy, but he took stuff most of the things pretty seriously. But this time he just jokingly laughed and said, he goes,

all right, boys, he said, y'all get rid of it. turn them lights on because most of the time when we walked, if we had a little bit of, say, of the moonlight or something, we wouldn't even turn the lights on. We just leave them off, but dogs do what they're going to do. It just walked by moonlight. But we did have the lights on and off up to this point. And he would jokingly say it is up,

but, boys, if you all get ready to turn them lights on, shodding them spots down there. And he said, if I don't like what I see, going to start shooting. Well, Hubert carried a 22 rifle with us every time we went into the woods.

And it wasn't really necessarily to shoot a raccoon out of the tree because we hardly ever took any at all. But he was just, he was just used to carry some type of firearm in the woods.

And he was the type of guy, too, that he carried a three-feach of seven magnum under the said he was truck wherever he went. He was just the kind of guy that he was. But he said, I'm going to count the three. You know, shine your lights down there. Okay, well, okay.

And he was just, you know, lightlyhearted saying it. He wasn't really being serious or anything. He was just, you know, trying to make a lot of situations. We counted three, and Ray and I turned on our high beans on our lights. That's when we had the side in who'll be. we saw it. I would say that it was probably, and I had mentioned this earlier,

and I'll say it again too, but there's places on this path that three literally grown men can walk shoulder to shoulder and walk through just perfectly fine. You know, still have a little bit of room. But when we turned those lights on,

that's when we saw it. And there's absolutely no way that that was a bear or definitely wasn't anybody in the costume. You know, for one, people couldn't just get in there anytime they wanted to. It's a hard place to get to for one. And messing around with some old, conky-boy coon hunters, you know, at nighttime. That's not a good idea, you know, because some of these guys, they're kind of iffy.

Yeah, be suicide going out there in a costume, especially in an area. I mean, how would you know if someone's going to come through that night, you know, right there with you guys? What did you see, though, Shane? What is it that you saw? What I saw, I had to be assessed. What I saw of it, and this happened really fast. I would say it was between seven and a half foot tall. It was a big, big, it was big bodied because I only saw it from the side, but you can tell.

that it was it was it was of course you know in a human form but it was much bigger and I do remember

that the arms the arm that I saw when it stepped across this path was was much longer than what a human arm would be

you know a full grown man's arm proportionately. But it took one step over the path, and then it hit the woods going up towards the hill. But what I saw was, like I said, seven, seven, a half foot tall, the hair or fur on it was a dark brown. It wasn't black, and it was a real light brown, but it was a dark brown. I never saw the face. It never turned while we had it in the spot.

to look at us. It never did. Do that. But when it walked and took that step across the path, it was stooped forward. And the best thing that I can compare it to as far as other Sasquots, supposedly Sasquatch footage and stuff, it was to me it was real close

to Patty from the Patterson Gimman film it wasn't exactly the same but it was a little bit different but it was close the hair looked to be longer than what was on Patty its head from the side

view now because I never saw it in the other way except from the side it wouldn't as quite as conical I guess you would say as patting a Patterson-Gimmond film or other

witnesses have seen their different Sasquatches. But it wasn't rounded, rounder like a human's either. And like I said, all this happened really quick. And when it stepped across that path,

it did it with one stride. It was like, you know, it was in one side of woods and boom just that quick he was in the other side and it went up the hill this is this is when we were

turned around which makes the creek would be on our left at this time and the hills was on on the right side now when this thing went through you could you could distinctively here at that time

heavy footfalls going through the leaves and you know and breaking limbs and stuff that was on the ground. And you could also hear what it sounded like it was busting through tree limbs as it was going up to hill. This creature did not,

at that particular time on this, this night and this, this, uh, siding, it did not make any localizations whatsoever when we've seen it prior or after. We, never heard any, any vocalizations whatsoever

with it. But we could hear it going through up the hill and started down the other side of the hill and everything got, you know, real quiet. And we were all standing there like, you know, we were

we were scared on one hand, but on the other hand, we weren't, if that makes sense, face, I felt that way. I was just like 18 years old when this had happened, but it made no threatening gestures or anything whatsoever. It's just like when the light hit it,

it was like it just wanted to go. You know, it wanted to get away from there, and that's exactly what it did. But we were standing there kind of all struck and all, and Bray at that time. He had made a comment. He goes, that's that werewolf.

He said that I hear howling out here. He said, even when y'all are not here, he said, I heard at night time and stuff. And he always said he was a werewolf. I'm curious, what did Hubert say? You know, he had mentioned to you, hey, we got a lot of strange things going on out here, which sometimes is code for I know what's going on out here, but I don't want to tell you because I need a hunting buddy. But did Hubert ever say what he thought it was?

Well, afterwards, we did discuss it on a truck ride home We had like a two-hour drive to get back to his house And he made a he did say that that was a big foot He did say that But see, the best of my knowledge, Hubert had actually never saw it Until that night Now he had seen footprints and he had heard which I had to,

heard, you know, vocalizations and stuff in the woods. And we had had sticks at times thrown at us, rocks thrown at us at times. And this preceded me before I started hunting with Hubert. He had been hunting there for, oh my goodness, probably close to four or five years, I think. He had been hunting there prior. to me meeting him and getting to know him and to start, you know, going and hunting with him.

But Hubert, Hubert never fired a shot. He had that 22. What are you going to do with a 22 rifle get something like that? He's going to tick it off of anything. But Hubert never fired a shot at it. And I did ask him later on why he did not fire a shot. and he said for one that he was almost

in shock because that was the first time he had ever seen that creature he had heard it and seen footprints by the first time he ever seen it he said and another thing he said it

taken we just saw it from the side didn't see its face or anything and honestly I don't remember the profile of the face I just don't remember, you know, honestly, I probably didn't pay that much attention at the time, but he didn't make the comment that it was, that it looked human to him, and he didn't want to shoot,

shoot it. And then that's when we decided, well, we might need to get, gather the dogs and just load them up, go back home. And that's essentially what we did. Now, Hubert had told me a story at one time, and this was before we ever had that sighting. He said that him and Ray was out there hunting one night, and one of his dogs come back to him, and that's just something them dogs didn't do, but when the dog came back, he said that it had claw marks on the side. like, you know, and I said, I told him, I said, would, did it tangle with a bobcat or something? Because that's what I was thinking, you know. Bobcats, about the only thing around, you know, that's got really claws like that, not a deer.

And, of course, not a wild hog. And he told me, he was, I don't know what it was that got a hold of that dog. But the dog was injured, but not really, really bad. so evidently the claw marks on it wasn't like it was real deep or anything like that, but he did tell me that they gathered up, gathered up the dogs. And he went home and he had the doctor that dog, you know, his wounds and stuff. But I do remember one time we had went in at another location. And they were two ponds, and they was just a small,

built up earth separating the two ponds and this was probably I would say probably about a month or so after we had had that siding

to where we were standing between the two ponds listening to the dogs work evidently I don't know if it was the same creature if it was another one but something started pelting rocks our way, and they were hitting in the pond.

And Hubert was like, well, here we go again. You know, and I just said jokingly at that time, I said, well, it just just don't want us in this area right here for some reason. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, the racing that there's werewolves out there. I was talking to a hunter in, I think he was in Alabama. And this is a, and when I say country boy, I mean, when the end of the world comes, this is a guy you want to be with. I mean, he literally lives out there. And he made that comment to me too.

And I said, what makes you think werewolves? And he said, do you hear him howl and you hear him scream and it's no other animal? And it's interesting that Ray said the same thing, werewolf. I wanted to ask you, when this thing got up and it walked across the road, it obviously did it like a man. It was up on two legs and one step it went across. Why do you think it was just trying to exit and just leave? It didn't really – because it kind of sounds like it was around you guys as you guys were walking down the trail from what I get from what you see. Yes, sir.

Yeah, that's what I gather too, that it was staying and, you know, not up close, but it was keeping us, you know, within a certain distance from it. But yeah, one of those lights hit it, all it wanted to do was leave. And now, and I will note this. This is something that I didn't note at the time, but I did afterwards. We never smelled that pungent odor like we had before when we, you know, on many occasions. We did on many occasions afterwards, too. But this particular night, when we saw this creature and we had this sighting, I did not smell anything out of ordinary.

And I have listened to many people talk about Sasquatch and Sasquatch encounters. Of course, it fascinates me to listen to people's encounters. But what I have noticed, a lot of these, people do smell a strange odor. And sometimes they don't smell a strange odor. when they have a pretty close encounter. So I'm wondering if it's like some type of maybe a scent gland that they have and they kind of give it off to kind of like a defense mechanism or what. But like I said, when we saw that creature that night,

it made no attempts to try to charge us or it didn't do anything like that. It's just like it wanted to get out of there. But no, I never smelled any odor that night. Yeah, I think a lot of times with the odor, I think it's 50-50. I mean, sometimes people smell it, sometimes they don't. You know, it's kind of hit and miss. And there really seems to be no rhyme or reason behind the smell, to be honest with you. Sometimes people smell it, sometimes they don't, you know.

I'm curious, Shane, what do you think Sasquatch is after seeing the saying, what's your honest opinion? Obviously, you know there's no wrong answer because no one truly knows. But what do you think that they are? Honestly, I don't really know what they are. This is the way I look at things when it comes to things like Sasquatch and other cryptids. You know, but for Sasquatch especially, I just feel that whatever these creatures are that God put them on this earth, just like he did, everything else. That's just how I feel. Could I be right?

Maybe. Could I be wrong? Yeah. But I just honestly, I do not know exactly what they are. I just have no clue what they could be exactly. Yeah, it's frustrating, isn't it? I know some people think they could be a mislink between man and 8th and things like that. It's possible.

I just don't know what they are. I wish I did, but, you know, I don't think none of us really know for sure what they are exactly. Yeah, it's frustrating. It seems to be that, yeah, it is. It is. And it seems to be that in different areas of the country, there are differences in them, appearance-wise, anyone, you know. And so maybe they're like people in a way, I guess, how, you know, people have different attitudes and people have different dispositions and people look different, you know. maybe it's the same with them

as people have in different parts of the area of the country how Sasquatches differ in their descriptions and how they look some having a conical shaped head and some not having a conical shaped head some having longer hair fur and some having shorter hair

and just things like that you know so honestly Honestly, I just don't know what they are. Of course, I would love to know. And I think anybody that's interested in a subject, but that, you know, would love to know as well. Yeah, I think once you answer that one question, what are they? I think it answers about all the other 50,000 questions we have. Oh, yeah. You know, it's, I was just talking to someone the other night, and we were talking about how, you know, is it an ape? Well, I got about 50,000 questions that can tear apart that theory in two seconds. Is it a human being? Well, I got about 50,000 questions.

I can tear apart that theory too as well. And it becomes so frustrating. I think once we find out what they are, I think there's going to be that aha moment where other things will kind of make sense. You know what I mean? But it didn't prevent you from hunting. I realize it didn't really,

wasn't really aggressive, just kind of got up and walked off. But you guys continued to hunt, didn't you? Oh, we sure did. I probably hunted with Hubert in that area from maybe a year and a half, two more years until I just got, I was busy and I couldn't turn, you know, turn loose. I had graduated at high school at that time, and I was working for a time and things, you know, it's just kind of, and over the years, me and Hubert had, you know, had lost contact with each other and stuff. But, yeah, we still hunted out there for a long time, and we never saw it again. But, you know, there was some times, different times afterwards where we smell that strange odor again.

And in times when we would have some rocks thrown at us and things, you know, of that nature. But Ray had talked about seeing footprints on the property before, and so did Hubert. Hubert told me one time that him and his son, his son really didn't fool with hounds. It wasn't really into coon hunting or anything like we did and all. But they had a cabin down there, a cabin, excuse me, not a cabin, a camper down there close to the creek. Where they had it set up at, it was a little sandy, you know,

not real sandy like on the edge of a creek bank was but Hubert had told me that he went down there one time of course I was at present to go down and check on the

hunting cabin because him and his son was going to do some deer hunting down there and that's where they stayed and he told me that they found footprints that went all the way around the cabin cabin.

Went all the way around the camper. I don't know why I keep saying cabin. He went all the way around the camper. And he did tell me too that it went out the same way that it had come in. And he said he

guess it was just curious as to, you know, what was down there and what was in it. But the whole time that I hunted down there with Hubert and Ray, I never.

saw any footprint. And if Hubert told you that he saw footprints, he saw footprints, because I got to know Hubert and his whole family really, really well over the year. And he was a really good stand-up

honest type guy. Like I said, he was an ex-marine and stuff like that. But if Hubert told you, you know, something, you could pretty well take it as fact. That's just the way the guy was,

just a little upstanding guy. And, of course, you know, Ray, the overseer to that property, he had seen footprints too. And, of course, they evidently never thought about casting any or just wasn't interested enough, you know, in it or the subject to want to make any cast any cast any. of the prints or anything. So, I mean, I wish they would have

because I would love you seeing them, but... Yeah, that's usually... If you ever said they were there, they were there. Yeah, that's usually the way it goes with those guys. You know what I mean? They're not like Sasquatch researchers or investigators. They could care less. They're going out to hunt and stuff,

and you come across those tracks. I've talked to many, many of those guys. But, you know, I love hearing from hunters, Shane. They're my favorite. I've said it in the past. they're one of my favorite guests to have on the show. And I really appreciate you taking the time to share the encounter very much. Thank you very much.

Well, thank you for having me. I greatly appreciate it. Greatly appreciate it. And that's it for tonight. Everyone, remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member, get additional shows. I will see everyone next.

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