Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:506 The One Who Runs and Hides

Episode Date: January 14, 2019

Bill writes "Wes this sighting took place when I was a teenager. I'm fifty two now and I still remember it for the most part. Me and a buddy was on are way to are favorite fishing spot at the time. We lived near a dam. It was late summer. So the dam was low which maybe accessing the inlet possible. Now above the inlet was miles of private land that connected to next dam that was located in the mountains. To access the inlet you had to hike down into the bottom and walk through bottom ground that is underwater in spring. Well we were crossing a fence on the high side and as I crossed over I looked ahead and below us toward are destination in the tall willows I saw something bent over low digging or scraping in the dirt. It was hairy reddish color. I stoped and was trying to figure out what I was seeing about that time my buddy looked and saw what I was looking at. At the same time the creature must have heard us. To this day I remember this point and will never forget it. It stood straight up still with its back to us kind of turned a little glanced at us and took off running through the willows and brush up through the bottoms through crap so thick a man can't get through. Just ripped right through it and disappeared. I'm pretty sure we saw a big foot. If you would like to talk or want more info email me."   Carl writes "Im a retired deputy sheriff and have had 2 road crossings as well,and have heard the wood knocks and whooping noises. I even had a large tree about 75 yards from me pushed over on a calm day while deer hunting. As i became aware i realized id experienced them around me my whole life."   Chris Merola and he has agreed to come on the show. He describes buying a cabin in the woods of Connecticut that no one lived in for 11 years. He said when he first moved in he was terrified because of the things he was hearing outside late at night.Chris says "I setup trail camera's all over the property trying to get a picture of these things and I never got any pictures of a Sasquatch. Frustrating….I finally decided to put one camera on my door behind the screen door. I captured what I think is one of these creatures. Here is the video. If you skip ahead to about the 5min mark you can see something move from the middle of the screen to the right. It is not conclusive but it is very interesting. Especially knowing Chris lives in the middle of no where and he was trying to bate these creatures with food. Chris goes on to say "I am not the only one who has heard and seen them in the area. We were screamed at by one of them and both my son and girlfriend ran into the cabin. I have seen them numerous times. I have also seen some very strange and weird things from these creatures. I do not know what to say, I do not think they are from here. My opinion of course." Chris documented the incidents that happen over the years to him at his cabin. He wrote a book called The One Who Runs and Hides: A True Story. Check it out on Amazon. It is hard to put everything that happen into an hour long show and for some of the listeners some of what Chris has to say might rub you the wrong way but I can tell you a lot of what he talks about lines up with witnesses I have spoken to including the two brothers (We need help show) in Indiana.

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show planned for you tonight. Sunday night, I hope your week's been treating you well. Thanks so much for taking the time to listen tonight. My first guest is Bill, and Bill comes to us from Utah. When he was a little kid, he was out running around with a friend of his. and they came upon this creature. And it's something that, it's a very brief encounter, but it's something that's always bothered Bill.

I'll also be talking to Carl. And Carl is a retired deputy sheriff out in Georgia, and he's going to be talking about his own personal encounters, including a roadside crossing. And then we'll wrap up with Chris Morolla. He is the author of the one who runs and hides, and Chris has a very interesting encounter, actually multiple encounters. He bought this cabin in Connecticut.

out in the middle of nowhere. And Chris, he's welcomed me to come out. He's like, hey, man, if you want to see what I'm talking about, come on out. And it's on a lot of acreage. And no one had lived in this cabin for 11 years. And when Chris moved in, weird stuff started happening, and it just got weirder and weirder. So I asked Chris if he'd come on and just talk about some of the different things that

happened to him. And it's all documented in the book, along with his evidence. And the name of the book, again, is the one. who runs and hides. If you get a chance, go to Amazon and check it out. I wanted to play this for you guys. I posted this to the blog on Sasquatch Chronicles.com and there's this guy he goes out to these mines and he explores the mines and he's had a lot of weird things happen. But he was in this mine and this is in Bigfoot related. I just found it fascinating. He was in this mine and if you fast forward to about the 12 minute mark, he's about halfway through the mine and he's, and he's, he's in the mine.

he starts to hear something. And I've listened to this over and over and over again, and I swear it's voices. I'm going to try and amplify the sound a little bit so you guys can hear it. Tell me what you think. And then you can see how big these timbers are. That's about almost a foot in diameter, the big cross timber. So they had to put big ones in here to hold up all of this rock. You can see right here where some of these boards are bending. Do you hear that? Sounds like... Is that wind?

I don't know if you can hear that on the camera. Do you hear that? It stopped. Wow. I don't know what that is. That doesn't sound like wind, but... That's crazy. I don't know if that's a bird, or...

I don't know what that is. It almost sounds like snakes, but... Wow. I've heard some weird stuff in mines, but that is definitely creepy. I don't know what that is. So, let's get out of here. and head back out to the portal. That was weird.

It was strange. All right, so, Jesus, that's the wall deck mine. I'm not sure how well that translated over the podcast, but if you get a chance, it's on Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Go watch the video. It's creepy, especially when you get headphones in. I swear it sounds like voices. But anyway, again, I don't know how well that translated to what you guys hear.

strange to say the least. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Bill to the show. Bill, thanks for coming on. You're welcome. Yeah, and I know your encounter took place in Utah. It was several years back, wasn't it, Bill, that you saw this? You were just a kid. Yeah, I think I was like 14 or 15, and I'm 52 now, so I don't guess you'd have to do the math. It's quite waste bad. Yeah. Well, if you would, would you walk us into it and tell us what you were doing, and What did you see? Well, in a mountain valley area. And I had a big reservoir, super low,

so we could fish the inlet. And other times, here it was underwater. So me and my friend were just crossing up a high water mark, and we were on a hillside. Well, it's kind of a hill, 45 to get down in. And so we looked down in the willows. I saw something that looked like it was hunched over, sitting on his haunches.

digging in the ground was back to us. And about the time, you know, I saw it, my buddy was kind of jumping around, flitting around because he'd seen a snake, and I grabbed him and turned him to look at it. And about that time, it kind of stood up, but not all the way straight, and just plowed through the littlees in the brush,

just making a bunch of racket. Yeah, and I know. That's pretty much what we saw. Yeah, I know. It was a short encounter, and I know when it got up, did it run off like a man, or did it run off like a bear? It ran off on two legs. You know what I mean? But I guess what I keep saying is it didn't straight up and straighten his back all the way.

It was kind of, you know, maybe it's just how it's knee for Ben or something a little weird. But it didn't, to me, it didn't look like it was all the way, but it was on two legs. It was bipedal. It got up and ran off. Yeah, and you would think if it would have been a bear, it would have dropped all four. and bolted off, you know what I mean? And that's the thing, you know, for weeks after that, I mean, he was younger than me. Being in our teams, we tried to ask out what we, you know, what else it could have been,

could have been, you know, any wildlife down there from wild pig to bear, like he said, because this ground pretty much doesn't, I mean, it runs, it's all river bottoms, and it goes a lot of the way up into a higher mountain reservoir. and so it doesn't get, I mean, it probably, certain areas of this doesn't, doesn't see anybody for years at a time. No one's ever down in there, you know, in some places you can't even get down in. But it's so private, so remote, in a populated area, because nobody can get in it. And it's all posted and all that good stuff that, you know, so there's bear in there, and there's bigger, you know, there's bigger game in there. but like you said

that's the closest thing I could think that could run but bear don't run on their two hind legs you know they'll get up and walk a little bit and go back down back down yeah and I think even at the age you were at I think that you guys would have recognized

it being a bear right away even a bear standing up it still has the outline of a bear and what you saw did it resemble anything like that or was it more like a man I realize this is a really quick glimpse getting. Well, you know, to me, yeah, more like a man, but, you know, I mean, I listen to your

podcast and I've read up on him a little bit and, you know, my uncle was really into him and the Sasquatch deal and everybody keeps, has always told me how they're so massive and big. And I mean, being about, I don't know, you know, it's so hard west distance from that long ago. But, you know, half of football field, because football field, looking down on, to it, the creature it served, you know, itself, you know, it didn't seem to be massive to me. I mean, you know, it was probably six, six and a half feet tall, but it wasn't, you know, tree trunk legs and stuff like that, like I was here.

And, you know, from what I remember, I really think it was either a small femur or it was a juvenile. I don't think it was full-gone. You know, it just didn't seem huge. Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't King Kong sitting there digging in the dirt. No, no, it wasn't. You know, and we scared it just as much as it scared us. I mean, it wanted nothing to do with us.

And we were, you know, I think if my buddy wouldn't have been jumping around like he was, we probably could have got a pretty good look at it the way the wind was blowing and stuff because we weren't, you know, it wasn't blowing down on it from where we were. But him screaming about a blow snake and, you know, it finally figured out

that something was watching it. I just wanted to get away. You know, I just wanted to get in cover. Let me ask you. I know you've been looking into this for a while, Bill. What do you think Sasquatch is? What's your own personal opinion? That's kind of a hard one. I personally think it's a form of great ape. I mean, I think it's more intelligent than not as in quite at the same level or at or maybe more. But I think that it's, I think it's another, you know, I just think it's kind of class of eight.

that's my opinion. Yeah, no. I guess we'll never know until we have one either in a cage or, you know. That's why I love that question because there's no wrong answer. I mean, at the end of the day, anyone really could be right. And it's so hard, you know, that's why I like the question to get, you know, what are people thinking this thing is? Yeah.

But I really appreciate you coming on and sharing it. I know it was a brief encounter, but I find them all fascinating, and I really appreciate you coming on. Yeah, not a problem. In fact, let me ask you what do you think they are. Because I always hear you ask people, but I've never heard, you know, just maybe I don't pay attention to everything you say. So what do you think Saskatchez? Do you think it's a great ape, or do you think it's more human? Well, there's a, if I go into my opinion, it'll be an hour long show. I mean, I can give you a presentation on it. I mean, I don't really have a quick answer for you. But, you know, I think there's more to it than just an ape.

I really do. And a lot of times, I think that, you know, when people have encounters like what you had, Bill, where it's a quick glimpse or even a longer glimpse, but they're out hiking or they're out hunting. and it's a real brief encounter with these things. You could go with the argument that it's an unknown primate we haven't been able to catch up with. You could absolutely go with that argument. There's a couple other things that fall apart with that argument. Like, why hasn't this come out when it's on every continent on this planet these things are found?

Why haven't we caught up with this thing? And it really makes you stop and go, hmm, I don't know. That's strange. Why haven't we, you know, the argument of like, well, you know, there's no bodies because the forest eats the bodies. Well, that's true. But these things are found in Arizona. These things are found in New Mexico. These things are found in Nevada where there's not a ton of forests for the most part. And so there's so many weird things. When people have these things on their property, there's a lot of weird things that go on with these things that your normal person wouldn't ever hear about because their encounter was brief. They saw it. It ran off. It looks. like an animal, it growled like an animal, it threw rocks like a monkey, that sort of thing. But when people have these things on their property, there is so many weird things that go on, I can't even tell you. I mean, if I went over and actually gave a presentation on this,

I'd probably be exhausted afterwards because there's so much information that people have told me. So I guess to answer your question, I really don't know what they are. I think that they are more than a primate, like a non-human primate. I don't think they're human. I've heard some of the woo-woo end, like maybe they're dimensional or, you know, maybe they're, maybe they're an alien, maybe they're, you know, like, I don't think we will ever know until we actually have one. Well, yeah, and the other thing, will we ever? And the other thing, too, is, I know that it's been kind of. covered up. But why would...

I think it is, too. And I think it is because of logging, but that's just my opinion, and I could be totally wrong, because I think that if it was an animal that's well-known, and you say that the government covers it up, I mean, this is just, you know, off the hip. But if they come out and say, yes, it exists, it has to be protected. Well, there goes, that's a lot of land that's going to have to be protected. You know what I mean? There's logging and everything else would be affected by that. So economy, money, and on the big evil. Yes and no.

Yes and no. If you didn't want it to come out, you just look the other way. Yeah. If it was just a monkey out there running around, it would make sense that the government would just kind of look the other way and not really ever address it. But why is it when people have real evidence that these things are around, there's a cover-up to the extent of like a UFO cover-up. I've had many people off the air tell me some guys showed up and wanted this and wanted that. It's people who have real evidence. Why would there be such a, why would they care?

You know what I mean? Is it really lumber industry had that much control over the government that they wouldn't allow this thing to come out? You know, and like I said, that was just sitting up the hip. I mean, if it was alien or anything, you know, like that, too, you're right. I mean, they would try harder to cover it up than just turn the other way. And I'm sure you've taught to people that you've heard things that, you know, the rest of us know nothing about.

some people don't like sharing their stories, which is, I mean, it couldn't be a long time to want to tell anybody about this, because it was kind of, I mean, I didn't feel like I was crazy, I knew, well, I know what I saw, but it was so short, you know, I didn't want to waste anybody's time.

I mean, it was, it was just brief, you know, it wasn't, didn't get to watch it for 30 minutes, you didn't get to, you know, didn't see it multiple times and the same January over years or anything like that. Yeah, no, I understand that.

I mean, I'm a firm believer in, because I'm pretty sure that's what we saw. I mean 99.9%. I don't know anything else that gets up on two legs and runs off that can sit on us haunches and scraping the dirt with hands. No, it's hard to say what these things are. I hope you're right, to be honest with you. I hope I'm 100% wrong and delusional, and I hope that you're 100% right in the fact that it's just an unknown primate, non-human primate running around or maybe even a human primate running around that we haven't been able to catch up with.

That's what I'd like. I like that. But I have my doubts. You know, and the more I think about to talking to you, just a brief couple minutes, I mean, these things have been reported, the Indians were reporting them. So, you know, you'd think after all that time. But I don't know if it's, if it is just an underprimate, it's extremely, extremely intelligent, probably more intelligent than you give a credit for,

because it's got to stay stealth all the time. Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't have one. Yeah, it's just strange when you start looking at it. Like I said, you know, you would think the Russians would come out with it and say these things are real. I mean, they have them in Russia. They have as many reports as we do here in America. Same thing with Australia.

You think the Australian government would say, yeah, the Yahwehs are real. Yes, people have been seeing them forever. But I appreciate coming on and sharing it. I enjoyed the chat. Like I said, I love the question. It's not meant to be a trick question by any means. it's meant to just get people's opinions and get people talking, you know. That's the biggest problem in the Bigfoot world, which I'm not a part of it.

But that's our biggest problem is it's a bunch of idiots fighting with a bunch of other idiots, and no one actually talks. No one actually sits down. And everyone's so firm in what they believe this thing is, if you're so firm and you've already figured it out, and then why bother being the topic? You know what I mean? It's good to have discussions about it. But it's not meant to put someone on the spot and go, ah,

you know, so I hope you didn't take it that way. Oh, no, no, I didn't. And I've listened to your show, you know, your program enough to realize that that wasn't yet. I just don't never remember. But, you know, I'm not, I haven't been listening to your podcasts that long. I mean, I backtracked a few episodes off and on. But I just can't never remember what you, your personal pain and you thought it was. But, you know, you've given as good answers to anybody's spending.

You don't know. That's true. It's true. It's a fair answer. Absolutely. Well, thank you again, Bill. Yep. Hey, thanks for letting me tell my story, West.

And you have a good day. Well, next up, I want to welcome Carl to the show. Carl, thanks for coming on. Glad to be here. Yeah, I appreciate you being here, Carl. And I know that you're a retired deputy sheriff out there in Alabama. And you even had a recent encounter on your property where you were taking pictures and something showed up. And then I know you thought it might have been shadows.

so you went back and whatever was standing by you wasn't there. Do you want to tell us about that? Yeah, I was right at the beginning of the road. I didn't notice anything until I had got home sat down and started. I said, no, it's got these shadows. The next day, same exact time's picture, and there was nothing there. And it was probably about maybe 100 yards away from where I was standing. It looks just like a big foot.

it looks like it's been over. And I estimated it had to be at least 10 foot tall if it were to stood straight up. Yeah, it's an interesting picture, and I haven't posted it because of how it's being transferred over, so I'm sure people are wondering why it's not on the site. But it's very small when Carl sends it to me, and we'll have to find a way to get the original picture and fix it. Because it does look like there's something standing behind you. It's a very odd picture. when you had your two roadside crossings, did it happen while you were working as a deputy sheriff?

No, the crossings I was visiting my parents over in Coffey County, which is just the county next over. And they got a farm over there, and they have a high line that runs across their farm. But it was in October, I will say it was around 8 o'clock, so it was already dark. I was driving, I had drove down about a mile and had to take the left turn to go where I need to go home. And I'm looking ahead and I see, look, like shadowy, was something shadowy off in the distance. You know, my headlights hitting. And my first thought was it was a herd of deer running across the road right there. As I got closer, it looked like a person walking that had a big, big park on.

and I noticed that there was like little streaks on it and it was glowing like just little lines, a little reflective like this, I guess, but it was just little streaks, small streaks. There wasn't a whole lot, but I noticed that and my mind's trying to put all this together. And then I got closer and I noticed stuff hanging off the arms. And my first, I'm thinking, what the heck is that? Where it crossed the road and I looked over, there's an old logging road. And there's a post that's right there at the beginning of the logging road. And that post is at least eight foot tall.

And as I passed by, I could see that there's outline standing there. I'm still trying to process this. What have I just seen? And I hit the brakes and I spun around and came back and it was gone. it was no longer there. But whatever was standing there was a good, I don't know, foot or two taller than this post that was standing beside. And its head, it looked as big as, as big as the steering wheel in the car.

Was there any other details you remember? So the things coming off of it, was that hair? Is that what you're describing coming off? I'm guessing that with hair. The more I think about it, that looked like it was about the same consistency of hair hanging down off the arms. When it would move his arms, you'd see the hair hanging down.

It's probably about, I don't know, maybe six or seven inches long. I'm interested when cops especially get, you know, have a roadside crossings, because there's been a lot. I've talked to a lot of them in the past, even some that have almost hit them with their patrol car. And when you saw this thing, was there any other details that you remember? What made you think it wasn't a person beyond being hairy and eight feet tall? I guess it kind of answers its own question. Like I say, I mean, all this happened with a matter of a second.

And I'm trying to process all this stuff. I'm like, what am I seeing? What am I seeing? I guess when I, about the time, I was like, that, that was weird. And I hit the brakes and turn around and went back and it was gone. I mean, if it had been a person, I'm thinking that he'd still be walking down the road. He wouldn't try to hide or anything. He'd just been continued to walk down the road.

But it was gone. There was nothing there. You know, when you talk about it having a hoodie, I've heard that from other people that see it at a distance, think it's a guy with a hoodie on. So when you say hoodie, do you mean more of a cone-shaped type head? Because, you know, when you wear that in the dark, it kind of gives the appearance of a cone-shaped head,

even when a human's wearing it. You know, like one of those Codasca and stuff, that's what it looked like. My first thought was that somebody wearing a parka. You know, the big hood on it and stuff, that's what it looked like. And as I got closer, you know, it just, it's hard to explain. Yeah. It just.

This wasn't the only time that you had a roadside crossing. There was a second incident. I think you were with someone, right, Carl? Yeah, I was with a, I had another house down in a Geneva County, which is about two canny's south of here. What was weird about this, that back in 2005, there was a farmer that lived down there within a mile, this, this siding. that we had. He had called an investigator out, and this guy,

somebody I don't know who it was in California, and he doesn't go anywhere unless there's evidence. And this farmer had lost some cows, and then he saw this creature standing on the edge of his field one evening. Anyway, this guy came and did a state a couple of weeks, I guess, and he determined there was a family pod living in an area. And on this particular day, who had left the house,

you come up a hill and there's a crossroads there. And I didn't get to see this one. And this is like one o'clock in the afternoon. And my friend was chewing on some ice and she hadn't looked over and she about choked on it. I said, what, what? She says, I just seen something that looked like, I don't know, it was big. It was hairy. And she said it looked like I had a lion's mane on its head.

I said, oh, gosh, man, I hit the brakes and turned around, road down there, and it was gone by the time we got down there. And there's woods on both sides of the road, and there's a field up in the front part. And he crossed right there where the field joins the wood line. But that was about all there was that day. Strange description she gave with the Lions main. I had Stephanie on Friday night show, and she talked about that, almost. like it had a lion's, kind of like a lion's mane, so much hair coming off the head and the neck. And very interesting. Now, you've been out on properties hunting, and you had a strange experience.

I know you've heard vocalizations and tell us about that when you were out there hunting. I was sitting in a deer stand down in the river swamp on my granddaddy's place. It was an afternoon. And it was about 75 yards from me. It was a calm day they were. wasn't any wind or anything. I'm just sitting there and all of a sudden I hear a snap in this big tall. It was an old pine tree that had died, but it was standing there and it fell down. And I looked over. I said, oh, that's kind of weird.

I've never had that happen before. That same area. I come down and I was staying at night and be walking out of the woods. It's a good, I don't know, half a mile out of the woods. it would sound like something was pacing me every step I took and I'd stop and it would stop but I could hear it clearly it would it walked when I walked and it stopped when I stopped

and I've had I've had that kind of stuff happened my whole life you know going back to being in law enforcement I would sometimes you know driving it I've worked nights I've worked six in the evening the 6th in the morning and I don't care who you are you going to get tired and sleepy when you're working at shift.

When I start to run off a road, I'd find me a spot, you know. Mostly I'd pull up in old graveyards because nobody goes in the graveyard night because they scared the death of graveyard. I figured I could get up in the graveyard and sit there and catch a little snooze. And, you know, usually about 10 or 15 minutes, it was good enough to get me going again. But I'd hear noises. I'd hear wood knocks. I'd be sitting there and I'd hear it sound like somebody with a baseball bat, getting on the side

of the tree. and it would be down in places that, you know, even in the daytime, you wouldn't want to go down to it. It's so thick. They're down in swampy areas and briars and stuff to get down to it. And I'd be thinking, who in the world be down there at this time a night beating on the side of a tree? And I've had that happen maybe to me three or four times. I've heard, you know, the owl calls. I've heard some of these owls that didn't sound quite like an owl.

And at the time, again, back during this time, I didn't really think anything about it. You know, you'd have one owl go off and then it'd be a bunch of owls, you know. Can I ask you, I know I had David on Friday night, and he talked about, he's not far from where you're at. He's only about 30 miles from where you're at. And he talked about going out to strange calls, you know, out in the country. He would go out to these calls. and it was night after night after night he'd go out to these different calls and people would say, you know, it's a prowler. He went out to one lady's house and she said, well, I think it was a black guy with a hoodie on that ran off the porch and jumped off the porch and then ran his hand all the way down the side of the home.

And I know when David went out there, he said whatever the same was running its hand down the side of the house, it looked exactly how she described it, except for the hand was up about six feet. and he saw, you know, tracks out there and everything else. Have you ever gone out to any coal like that that you thought there's something else going on here? Yeah, I know what you're talking about it. I got to think about this house I had to go to and take a report on this guy. It was claiming that someone was coming up on his porch every night. And he'd hear it, and he would check it out. It'd be nothing there.

But it would happen night after night after night. And he never saw anything, but he'd hear noises on his porch. and he's got a ramp. You know, to get up on that porch, you'd have to walk up that ramp. There's no way off. You've got to go back down the ramp or jump off the porch.

But every time he'd go to check it out, there'd be nothing there. Yeah, that's interesting. So he thought it was like a prowler or something like that. Yeah, that's what he thought. He said, he had a neighbor that lived about a mile down the road.

He was thinking it was this guy doing it. Yeah, the more I listen to those, especially in that area, Carl, it just doesn't add up because, you know, I know you're dealing with people in the country, and people in the country generally have guns, and so running up on someone's porch and the old night, probably a bad idea. Exactly.

You know. And his yard, this whole place is fenced in. He's got a gate. He keeps it locked at night. Thinking about it, you know, that maybe could have been a Sasquatch. You would have to climb over the fence to get down in this place, and it's a good four-foot, five-foot-tall fence. So I don't know a lot of people that would want us to climb over the fence. over a fence and walk up on your courts.

Yeah, it makes no sense. Really makes no sense. What do you think Sasquatch is, Carl? I've looked at all. But the Bible, I think the Bible talks about it a lot. I believe they're a Nephilim. And if you look in the Bible, there's 36 tribes of giants, and they all have their own distinct how they look.

There's different looks like the Antich. anachines, they are called the long necks. It means the long necks or chain necks. And when the Israelites, when they, out of the exodus and they left Egypt,

they sent, you got to got to Israel, they sent spies in the land. And when they came back, they gave a report. They told them they looked like grasshoppers. They, to the giants, so their sons of Anak, Anik. They called them Anik. It was a giant name

Anak. That's that's my best conclusion on it and if you listen to anything at L.A. Marzuli says about the same time when the Israelites returned to the land, they drove the giants out or killed

him. He said that was about the same time in the Americas the mound builders, the mounds like the snake up there in Ohio, they call the snake, I can't remember the name of it. But it's somewhere in

Ohio, we got the serpent, serpent mound. That's what they call it, serpent mound. And he said that, but that was about the same exact time that the mounds started showing up in the Americas. So his belief is that the giants were driven out and they came to the Americas. Interesting take. You mean, you could be right.

It's sure odd we can't catch up with them, you know, and it's, but you know, who's to say what they are. But, you know, like I said, you could be 100% right on it. Well, be safe out there on your property. I would love to get the original picture from you because, like I said, the small one that you sent me, it's just how it transfers. It doesn't. It's hard to make out anything. But it does look like there's something standing behind you. So be safe on there and keep me up to date what's going on on that property, will you? And I appreciate you coming on and sharing every time. I appreciate it. I appreciate it.

Well, next up on the show, I want to welcome Chris Marola to the show. He's the author of The One Who Runs and Hides. It's available on Amazon. And tonight we'll talk about some of his encounters. He bought this cabin in Connecticut, and it was empty for several years. And so he'll be talking about some of his experiences tonight. Chris, welcome to the show. Thanks for being here.

Thank you, Wes. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I hope people go to Amazon. Pick up the book. Again, it's called The One. one who runs and hides, and it's all of Chris's experiences with these creatures. Now, I know back in 2009, or 2008, you moved into this cabin.

What was your feeling about Sasquatch prior to moving into this cabin? Much, you know, I remember the Bonable Snowman as a kid and all that, you know, but really, Wes, not too much. I mean, I remember as a kid going to the drive-in and seeing the Bogey Creek was the one there. But, you know, really, to be honest, didn't pay too much attention to it at that time, really in 2008. No. And so you move into this cabin, and what happened? Was the encounter the first night you were there?

Oh, man. Let me see it. Yes, it was. I'm divorced with two kids, an eight-year-old and a 10-year-old. And my 8-year-old, I get twice a year during the summer. So when I had that week, it was just about the same time. It was my visitation with him. I had him with me, and we go down this huge, gorgeous road,

about 2.2 miles into the wilderness. there was this cabin that I was able to stay at. And my son loved it and so on. And we go inside and it's just perfect, really. You know, we cleaned it up because there was a lot of mice. No one's been living there for 11 years. It was just empty on this property. And this property, Wes, had over 800 acres.

It belonged to a friend of mine, aunt and uncle. They had deceased. and their sons owned the property, and they were living in California, Georgia, Jersey, and they just didn't attend staying up there that much, maybe for two weekends during the summer, and here and there. And they didn't stay at the cabin.

They stayed at this mansion on the property, and this was a cabin west that was located, not too far about, I'd say about 300 yards, 400 yards from the mansion on a pond. So I was able to use it, and I got in there a few days before, cleaned it up before I had my son. After we watched some movies on TV, we decided to go to bed. So it's a one-bedroom cabin. It was about 1.30 in the morning, and all of a sudden I started hearing this cracking.

and it started sounding like thunder, crack, crack, crack. And then it got louder and louder. And I'm going, wow, what's this? And then started breaking, you know, the sound. And then all of a sudden it would repeat itself. And myself being a hunter and an outdoorsman and fishermen, I tried to teach my boys the same thing, I'm going, what's going on here? So there were no lights outside of the cabin.

and I was rushing so fast with getting my little boy with me and everything. I didn't even bring a flashlight. And I felt like an idiot. Only thing of a flashlight we had, we had his Johnny Depp Pirates of the Caribbean flashlight. And I'm going, oh, my God. You know, I'm going, and this cracking, like thunder was coming right outside. So I look over my son, I'm going, man, he's not going to come here anymore.

and he's going to tell his mother this, and I'm in trouble. So I'm looking at him, and he's knocked out. He, I can't believe he didn't wake up. So I get out of bed and crawl on my belly, and it was dark. And I go to the kitchen drawers, and I get the biggest knives that I got. And I go by one of the back doors,

and I'm peeking through the window, and I'm looking like where the sound was coming, from and it just kept on cracking. The sound was just terrifying. And I don't even know what's going on here. I'm going, this thing in a bear doing this, you know. And we have moose, not too many, but we've had one moose in my time. But I'm going like, what's going on?

Well, from 1.30 to about 4.30 in the morning, it didn't stop. and I have my back against the door with those knives against me. So whatever was coming through, okay, I'll do my best. My little boys there just knocked out. And thank God he was. And dawn started coming around 5 or 5.30, I know. And this was like in June. And I said, okay, well, I can go outside now.

and something's going to jump on me, at least hopefully I have time to see it. So I walk out there and I find these seven to maybe seven and a half strips of bark off of this tree that was hit by lightning maybe a few years prior. and they were three inches of least thick and four inches wide, and I counted like 10 or 11 of them, lined up in a pattern on the ground, not just thrown down. They were just lined up next to each other on the ground. And I'm going, what's this?

This was about 30 yards from the cabin. And I'm going, you know, and I'm looking around on the ground because I hunt, but because of the forest terrain in decades or years of all these leaves falling on, there weren't any impressions. So I'm looking for scat. I can't find scat. I'm going, okay, I'm bewildered here, but something was so angry that took these huge strips of wood,

which I kept them put under my cabin, which I still have. And, you know, I said, okay, so I went inside. you know, thinking, okay, I got my son and I brought him out, which probably wasn't the greatest thing to do, but I brought them out and I just wanted to teach her, okay, listen, let's, let's see what, you know, we can find any evidence around here, you know, and we looked around, couldn't find a thing. So that afternoon, I said, you know what, let's go and have some fun, let's go intertubing down the river. So we go down, intertubing down the river, us and it's a nice thing to do.

And we come back after doing that. And as we're walking up the chill to the cabin, we smelled this smell that was really bad. And my son was laughing. Hey, Dad, what did you? You know, what is that? You know, oh, my God.

And I'm going, oh, my God, too. And I go, well, what? So we did get away from it. You know, this was closer to the pond. So as we're walking up right in front of the cabin steps, There is this huge dump that was like a Louisville slugger. It was impressive. It was the Guinness World Book of Records of taking the dump.

I couldn't. I'm going like, wow, it wasn't a pile. It was just straight like a baseball bat. And I'm going, well, knowing my hunting, this is leaving a mark of its territory. I'm saying to myself, you know, my son's looking at them. But I have no idea. You know, I didn't like, you know, like what I've done now is. grab things that I think are important samples and stuff, and I zip lock and freeze it.

At that time, we were just in awe, you know, just looking at it right on our steps. So we had to step over it to get into the cap. So still, you know, like you said, you know, did you believe in Bigfoot or things like that? It didn't cross my mind, but I knew there was something out there that didn't seem to want us to be there. and just to recall, remember, no one's been in this place for 11 years, and over 800 acres of property that people have been away from. And so I just pushed it away and I go inside and I call my girlfriend and I said, you know, come on up and we'll barbecue and we'll have dinner and so on. And she says, okay, I'll go. But she, she, Wes, was a city girl.

You know, I mean, we were opposite in so many ways. The only thing we liked is maybe going to the beach and I like fishing from the beach. But she would just stay in her chair and drink wine coolers and stuff like that. But, you know, because of my son and me asking her, she came up because she ate in mosquitoes, everything. So she comes up for a few days. And the first night that she comes is like the next day, whatever. we're barbecuing and and I get the stakes out.

We're sitting on the deck there. And it was just about 8.30 or so and the sun was gone. All of a sudden, this screen comes out behind us. Again, about 30 yards away in that direction, a little bit more to, the right about maybe

15, 20 yards. I'm thinking this of the volume. And I'm taking a quote from a guy that was on ancient aliens doing Bigfoot

and he heard this the screen was identical that I could describe it. Imagine yourself pouring gasoline on somebody. lighting them on fire and having the strength of an elephant

bugling out, trumpeting out through you. And I mean, this scream lasted at least 25, 30 seconds. I mean, it didn't stop. You could feel it, and we're all sitting there, all three of us eating, and I get up and I walk to the corner of the deck looking where that sound was coming from,

and I turn around, and my girlfriend, and my son just disappeared. So I go and I look in the cabin door and there they are grabbing the same big knives that I had.

And I said, what are you doing? She's, what are you crazy? We're going to protect ourselves. And I said, okay, all right, okay, and I started laughing

a little bit because it was so comical seeing these two, and that's my sense of humor grabbing these knives. I mean, she's a city girl, my son's eight years old. And so I, grab my son's Pirates of the Caribbean Flashlight.

And I go down the steps and I go in that direction. You know, that's where I'm crazy in some parts in my, my anatomy here. So I, and they're screaming at me. Get your butt out back here. Come back, dad, please. And I'm looking. Okay, now that this thing ripped off the, the bark of the tree,

took a dump on the right on the, next to the deck there. And now what I'm going, I got to figure out what this is. I'm going to see some eyes shine or whatever I can. And it was getting almost completely darkened. And I was out there for like 10 minutes. And I couldn't find anything. I just couldn't.

And so I come back in and, you know, they're giving me a tongue lashing and all this stuff. They just, they don't even want to be, you know, well, she didn't want to be there as much. I mean, he was okay, my son, but she just said, what is that? And I couldn't explain it to her. So that was, that was the first situations that I, with, with my introduction of meeting Bigfoot, Wes. That was, that was the beginning. Especially when you don't know what's going on, you know, when you have no clue what's going on. And so for the first year or so, that kind of went on, didn't it? This sort of thing where you guys would smell things, you guys would have screams. Did it ever come up and hit the cabin?

Well, recently, yeah, something did not too long ago, but back then, it never hit the cabin, no. What would happen sometimes, Wes, is when I was there sometimes by myself, I'd be lying in bed. and all of a sudden my bed started started like shaking and I could feel like almost like the berth because this cabin is up on tilts okay it's elevated about you know four feet

above the ground the way it was built and I'm going whoa in the bed you know you could just feel the vibration so you know by then I had you know flash lights and then all of a sudden I would install floodlights you know I put floodlights in the front

the rear and all this stuff because, you know, I'm prepared. I would, you know, slowly just keep the lights off inside, grab a flashlight, and I'd open that door. And soon as I tiptoe down the steps, I'd look where that area was where the bed was vibrating and so on. And boom, nothing. And I'm going, wow. And I was going to like, you know, you've got to be kidding me.

So then I would go back in and then all of a sudden, maybe 10 minutes later, boom, the bed, it would start vibrating again. You could feel the whole cabin. That's a one-bedroom cabin, but still, what I explain in the book was these things are magicians. They are, you know, the David Copperfields of wildlife, nature, whatever, they can disappear and reappear when they want, you know, and this was a head scratcher. But that's what they're able to do. At least in my case and my, you know, seeing them. I wanted to ask you, when did you first think it might be Sasquatch? I mean, when did that first kind of cross your mind?

When I first realized it was with the Finding Bigfoot, and I was looking at this show and watching it, and I noticed people hearing screams and so on. And there was one particular screen that came from Michigan that I was watching this show and my jaw just dropped. I was so happy to hear this because I thought I was going insane.

And this screen was identical of what I heard. This lady had recorded. And it was in Michigan. And this was like in 2000, 2010, I think, or 2000. Yeah, I think it was 2010. And I was picking up with finding Bigfoot

because it was just, just giving me information where I would be out in the woods and I'd find these structures. Like, it was like an inside of a skeleton of a tent. And this branch was bent this way and this branch was bent that way and this way. And I'm going like, wow. And it's, that's not made by nature. And then I'd find sometimes even smaller ones like for a child or someone, you know, like 20 feet away. And I'm going to myself, okay, that's different. And then I'd find these

branches, you know, I mean, these young saplings that would be like snapped at eight or ten feet high, just snapped all over. And those indications that I had on the property were the same things I was seeing on that

Bigfoot show. And I was going, okay, this is too coincidental. This has got to be true. This has got to be it. You know, when you watch the show with grandmother's talking about it and kids talking about it and their experiences and saying, you know, oh, I saw this in the farm or in the trail.

And I just said, these people can't be lying. I mean, not, they just can't be lying. I mean, why? You know, maybe some, but, and I was going, look, this is coincidental. It's the same thing I'm seeing. Then I started to talk to my, you know, my son about it. and the little one said, oh, yeah, and maybe I shouldn't have, but, you know, letting them know that, you know, this could be there up in the cabin on the mountain. And then I was talking to my friends and other family members.

They all just said, you got to be kidding me. You know, you can't believe in this myth or legend. I'm telling you, I'm saying there's too many facts that are similar on the show. And then I started watching other documentaries on Bigfoot and the Yeti, and they were just piecing together. then my friends started distancing themselves with me and so my family members. I mean, it really got to a point that either I was crazy or a liar. And when that king shoved in my face, I just couldn't, you know, turn my back on this. And I went out to do everything impossible to research and get evidence and go out in the woods,

in the dark, in the daytime, collecting equipment and everything to this day, you know, and after writing the book, I just let them know that it just shut me off like that. And they did. Yeah, it hurts when family does that, you know, and friends. And, you know, it's hard enough when a stranger calls you a liar or anything else, but it hurts even more when it's someone you love, you know. The book, again, is called The One Who Runs in Hot. And so you go out there, Chris, and you start setting up trail cams and you're finding evidence and you're finding different things. And I know we talked about DNA. We can talk about that a little bit later on the show.

But what happened when you tried to set up trail cams? What were you finding? Okay. Well, at first, you know, I was running to the grocery store and grabbing, you know, cheap chucked meat and bones and pork chops and chicken thighs and legs. and, you know, and I was nailing them on throughout the forest in different locations and, you know, and okay, all right, this is going to work. And I put up my chill camera and I'm carrying a step ladder with me on my back and going throughout the property. And so I set up, I come back like in a week to check it out. I could tell by some of the scat and stuff it was.

It was like, oh, it's not a really great sign because they could see it was either from coyotes or, or possums or raccoons or sometimes turkey vultures would come in and I checked my film and, you know, that was the case. So I was beating my head against a rock. And so I started saying, okay, let's try something different. So what I did was I went and I was going through Walmart and I see these wind chimes. and I'm going, wow, that's, you know, that's pretty cool, a beetle, and the other one was a butterfly, and this time, now I know it's Bigfoot out there, and I'm going to go, okay, well, he's out in nature, I'm going to put things wind chimes out there. So I grabbed, like, a half a dozen wind chimes, and I bought also, I went to the pet store, and I was walking through there because I'm always checking out the pets, and I see these plastic pheasant. and I see these plastic ducks.

I said, oh, okay. All right. So I grabbed a bunch of those. And where I hung the wind chimes, I would hang, you know, on the same branch, maybe five feet down from it, a pheasant or a duck. And hard plastic, man, I'll tell you these ducks,

they're in the squeaky toys. So after I was done, I, you know, I put up the trail cameras in that location. and I wait a few a week or two, depending on what else I was doing. And I come back and every one of them, every one of my wind chimes and every one of the ducks were taken off the tree. I know animals are not going to go up there that can't smell. It's not smelling a steak or a chicken or a pork chop. There was no scent of these.

So I was just using the sound to attract them. And if they decided to grab the squeaky toy and share it with their little kid or, or whatever it carried around with them, I just brought it because it just showed an animal of something that they would relate to. So I see it on the ground and it's bit. I mean, this thing, this plastic duck, it bit off its wing and it bit its tail. And the teeth marks are like human. They are straight down. Like if you've been into a wax or something and you saw your teeth down, there were no like really canine on it.

You know, and I'm going, wow, I said, okay, great, cool, you know, and so I had my backpack. I took up my Ziplac bags. I put everything in, took photographs and stuff, documented everything. I go back home, put in the SD card, and I see, you know, Blue Jays flying by it, you know, know, squirrels running around because it didn't have any smell of meat or anything. So was those things. And there was nothing. There was nothing of the creature.

And I'm like, human. I mean, I said, how could this happen? You know, I mean, how could this happen? And it takes a picture of me walking up and checking the camera. But there is nothing except the, but the evidence I found on the ground. And I stopped at all the place. And the same thing. The one thing I knew of was, okay, being frustrated and bewildered, how can it take my picture?

But not that, you know, it was just upsetting, but at least I have the evidence. Then after watching more of Bigfoot shows and so on, you know, I just try to listen, you know, with people like, you know, Native Americans, they were talking about it and, and individuals and, you know, the, the, uh, mystique about them. And I was listening to one and she says, you know, if you, uh, try using sweets, they like sweets, candies. So, you know, uh, I said, all right, let's try that. When I started using Babe Bruce and Milky Ways and, you know, um, you know, I was using, you know, mini size. I was in by the big bars because I was just putting them out.

I had now buy, like, 10 cameras by that. So I was just sticking them on there all over. They, they loved it. And the other thing that they loved, so if your listeners want to do this, is peanut butter and bird seat. I just, by accident, whatever, you know, just freeze your bread, get nice and hard, get the peanut butter on it, slap it all around, and stick it in bird seat, and then,

Keep it frozen until you want to hang it out there. They do enjoy that. But you never got them, though, Chris, on camera eating any of those things, correct? Never. Never. That was the thing. I knew they were there, but never that I got on camera filming that. I did get them on camera by accident. A bear came down. and climbed the tree and grabbed two of my cameras and crushed them. And I said, oh, man, look at this.

So I had a picture of the bear. You see the bear grabbing the camera and taking it down. So I was able to work one that it worked properly. But it was so cracked that I couldn't keep it out in the elements. What I did was I put it in my porch and the screen part of my porch and, you know, pressed it along there. So it was facing out. and one day, Wes, I went and checked my camera, and this is one of the videos that I have on YouTube.

You just see this creature in the background like almost like predator and with Arnold Schwarzenegger. This was like 7.30 in the morning. So it was daylight. And you see this movement, you know, of this like, almost like invisible. but it's there. You can see it moving and going through the bushes and bringing the branches

back and forth in the background. You almost can see like a hand. And then all of a sudden, you see this creature, the Bigfoot walking by the camera. But it's transient, just like that predator when he was like invisible

in the trees and crawls. It had that type of effect. And I'm looking and seeing the trees are normal. and the bushes are normal. And you can see them, but you see this outline, and it was going by the cabin. So that was one way I was able to get it on the trail camera.

Just recently, I was out in the woods by in October. I was collecting mushrooms. I've learned how to pick them, and, you know, these aren't psilocybin and all that kind of stuff. There's just red mushrooms. I can pick chicken of the woods to oyster. and I was out there picking and all of a sudden I see this branch come down from up of the trees. And then all of a sudden I see this figure like the flash.

I mean like the thing that you see on X-Man or whatever, that kid that runs up running through the forest. Now this is not Cobra. These are a lot gone so you can see far and it was running. I started walking towards that branch again, and all of a sudden another crack, boom, bang, breaks down, and it was a sign saying to me, okay, you've gotten far enough right now, don't come any farther. So we've had a respectability here because they're always watching me. Later that night, I always put food out on my deck of apples and whatever, ringdings, whatever.

I put them on the railing of my deck. If they want to come and get it, they come and get it. You know, that's what I'm doing, because they don't like me now, I figured out. They let me know, don't put the food on the nails on the tree because they started taking the food off the nail and then they started pushing the nail into the wood, into the tree, just pushing it in.

So I said, okay, you don't want me to hang it on the tree for you? I won't. I set up the camera inside the screen again. on top of my tripod with a telescope on. Just head on the side. He came up on the deck. One of them did. And doesn't show him coming up on the deck,

but it shows him coming back, walking down the deck steps. You know, I was sleeping, and this is after about maybe 1 o'clock in the morning or something like that. I think that's when I finally went to sleep. But he walked right down the steps. You never hear them. They don't want to be heard. So that's another way that I got it on video on that. And then the third one, which I'll put out soon, is back in the beginning around 2012.

I was with my son. And when we came back from shopping, I said, okay, you know, if you want to go and run in and play your Xbox, go ahead. I'll carry the groceries in. and I was carrying the groceries and then I hear this no one's up there and I know my birds and stuff and then I hear

not too far in the distance back and I heard these whistles and they were very close but I couldn't I couldn't see anything but I knew by then in 2000 I think it was 12

that it was them because some of the shows that I was following were you know said hey they do whistle they do whistle I said, okay.

So after they did it like twice, I whistled and nothing happened. It was quiet. That evening, I had this camera. And it was one of those disc cameras. And I said, okay, I said, I'm going to go outside for a little step in the walk. It was in May. It was warm. And he was fixuated on Xbox play.

I mean, as long as I had that, he was happy. and he's with me, you know, he sat there and watched. It's okay, Dad. So I'm walking out, and I'm, and I had the floodlights on. I started going, well, here we go. And when I started whistling, and I kept going, and then I get to the brook, and over there in the brook, I stopped, and I filmed around.

It was, there was some light of moonlight there, but there was also the light of the cabins coming out. So I go back in. Two months later, I asked my son, you want to bring a couple of your friends up to the cabin. So they came over. I was showing some of the video that I was taking. And his friend was looking at this says, hey, Mr. Marilla, is that eye shine?

And I said, wow, that is eye shine. So I took to this and I zoomed it. And there he is his head, blinking and turning his head. If I had walked another 30 feet, we would have exchanged phone number. I just couldn't believe, and I didn't see it. If it wasn't for my son's friend, I would never have seen it. And you blow it up, you know, 20 times the size, and you'd just see his head turning in the temple. The point on his head there, and he was watching me.

And I had no clue. Even after the whistling that day, they were there. And they're always watching me. That's the thing. You know, no matter what, they're always watching me. If they want to appear, they'll appear. And believe it or not, they have a sense of humor. I'm sure I've heard some of your callers in and saying that they're, you know,

through logs at them and boulders and, you know, and everything. Well, in the beginning, yes. But after a while, Wes, they would, like I'd be sitting there. that night, two o'clock in the morning I hear crack and bang again. I'm going, oh, trees, trees coming down. And so I get in my car next morning, and I'm driving out the driveway. And there's a beautiful, healthy birch tree that's, you know, 12 inches diameter, broken six feet above the ground, step, and they block me from leaving.

so they would like, you know, do things like that, so I wouldn't get out. You know, and then I knew when they did things like that, they were saying, okay, you know, you're right. You're okay, you know. And I felt, though it was. I probably would have taken that a different way. I've actually been in a situation like that, very similar to what you're describing, where I've gone down a trail and then I turn around and come back and, and my path is blocked.

And I was just there, like, a few seconds ago. And it had nerved me. I don't know that I was so happy about it or thought it was funny. It really unnerved me. You weren't worried at all, seeing that tree blocking the path intentionally for you not be able to leave? Not at that time. I mean, you know, there was other times in the beginning maybe, but I knew they didn't. I looked at it West's that they didn't want me to leave.

There was, you know, instances, you know, where the screaming yelling, like there was one time when my girlfriend, she came up and we went up to the mansion on the property. And it's an open field. You know, it's like 30 acres of the open field. And we're sitting there at the stars and stuff. And all of a sudden, this truck comes up. And this, they do this question. And there were deer poachers. So they shine the lights in the field.

And they, you know, they just shoot the deer. So I came there and I packed everything like liquor and beer and stuff. But I didn't pack like my air horn. And I forgot to bring a flashlight again and we're up there. And it was pitch black. I'm talking black is black. I wasn't too sure of these poachers were drinking, but I knew they had weapons. And I didn't have any weapons.

So I say to her, listen, just follow me. I knew the property really well by then. And let's go and get to the cabin where I can get the bear horn or protection. So she kept on saying me every like 20 feet, I need to smoke a cigarette. I need to smoke a cigarette. I don't say, listen, stop squeezing my hand so bad. And we'll get back to the cabin. And let's get back to the cabin.

And this was a long journey, you know, because I had to take the back way, and I didn't want them seeing this. And especially if they're drinking and they're on private property and they're not supposed to be there. Who knows what was going to happen. It took maybe it seemed like an hour, but it was probably only 10 minutes. And as soon as I get close to the cabin, that screen entered again. And it was a little bit closer to the poachers. with that gasoline, lit on fire, the strength of an hour, blowing, and you could just feel it. And this is the second time with my girlfriend, she's experienced this situation with me.

And she's crushing my hand. And she can't believe it. And I should see, this is Bigfoot. And I went upstairs, we went upstairs inside, and all we could see is that that truck with the door slamming, whatever, taking off down the road. That's how that strength, they just left. So I went and grabbed the regular flashlight

and I went into the woods right away in that direction to look for it. Couldn't find him. But I think he sent, at least in my opinion and how I felt that he was pissed at the poachers. And like I say, they watch everything.

and he came out there and let him know that he wasn't happy about. So they can take a liking to you, and if they know that you're a good person, you know, everybody can be a good person, but they don't know that. But after the years, they consume that, you know, especially with, you know, the hunting part and so on. I won't kill anything unless I eat it. And they just followed my behavior. Watch as I'm out late at night checking the deer or the skyline or whatever.

They watched me quite a bit, you know. And they had amples of time to break my neck, my legs, and hide me. And they never did. In the beginning, maybe they would have. Yeah. But maybe if it was that, but they didn't. So, yeah, I'm curious. What makes you think that they took a liking to you?

Because I hear other people say that. I mean, are you assuming that just because you haven't been harmed? Or is it more or less just a gut feeling? You know, when I would come, let's say, from the, coming from Waterbury, going back to the cabin in the spring, they would leave trees. They would put like maybe, you know, four-inch wide saplings and leave them in the road so I'd have to get out of my car and remove them. There wasn't big cheese, but they would leave two. And I was looking at this. They did that several times every time I would come back.

And I didn't know what math question this was, you know. Wes, I mean, you know, was it telling me that there was two of them there or three of them there or one of them there? You know, they let me know. Or, you know, sometimes, you know, when I'm watching the Bigfoot shows, they would say, well, people would put rocks on logs or rocks on big rocks and make, you know, put like five or six rocks. And then I would come back and the pattern that I left the rocks were different. They would either add a rock or change the line of the rocks and make them, you know,

I would see things that, you know, they were trying to make a suggestion that they were there. And they, you know, like I said, they watched me. And, you know, they even, even nature, I'm talking deer. I'm talking coyotes. They, they knew me. And, you know, and I'd smoke cigars. And they knew my cigar smell. But I was out there with my, my six-pack of beer.

and I'm looking at the stars and bring my telescope, West, they would see that. And the animals would, you know, especially like there was one incidents where the coyotes were chasing this deer. And these two dears came right up to me. And they

knew the coyotes were chasing them. But they felt that for some reason that, you know, hang around near me that maybe they'll make it. And sure as how, man, they did that. And then the three coyotes that were chasing them, they come up and they see me and boom they stop and then the coyote starts you know howling that

particular time one year where the coyotes were uh nice enough to uh show me their litter they had three pops and they were like snowballs and they don't do that they just don't normally do that but when the sun was setting they knew i was sitting there looking out and feel like i did every night and they let me see them. You know, so I'm just saying that this family of Bigfoot, I don't have one. There's several. You know, they notice that, especially when I'm the only person up there, you know, really. Basically, I'm it.

I know there's a lot of different incidences that took place. And again, the name of the book is the one who runs and hides on Amazon. And, you know, Chris, I've heard this isn't the first. time I've heard stuff like this. I know for the audience it might seem kind of weird like seeing something transparent, but I've heard this many times in many different situations with people, and I don't know what to make of it, to be honest with you. I really don't know what to make of it. I believe the people, I just don't know what to make of it. But you actually came face to face with one of these things, didn't you?

I've had six encounters with them. I don't know which one you want me to begin with. I guess, let me start with, it was the springtime back in 2014. And, you know, there's no, nothing blooming really then. It was in April. I was walking through the back of the cabin, maybe 400 yards behind. It was an old wooden timber road trail where they would cut down the trees. use it. And as I was walking by, I looked and I noticed this deer that was killed. And when I walked over to it, all the limbs were taking off. The bones were broken. But the thing that

surprised me was all the hair had been removed from the carcass, the deer, and put separately. It was like a Persian rug. That's in the book, and I took pictures of it and everything. It was just like, you know, 10 feet by 12 feet, all the hair was taken off the deer. And it just hit my mind that, wow, okay, he doesn't like hair in his food when he eats it. After, like, you know, taking pictures and everything of that, I started walking up towards the cliffs. And that's, over time, I knew where they like to hang out. They go all over.

But I just decided, okay, well, this wasn't too far. So I started walking, and it's about 10.30 in the morning, daylight. And I'm getting towards the top of the cliffs maybe 30 yards away. And the cliffs ridge line went for maybe a quarter of a mile, this particular one. and as I turn already in motion is this huge black big foot and I'm saying about nine feet running towards me up on the cliffs and I'm just sitting there. I'm ready to go with my camera. I can go on this and I have it on my, you know, my pot. And I am just sitting there and I'm seeing this thing run.

And listen, this guy, you know, he would win the gold medal in any Olympics. I'm telling you, this thing, they are fast. But the thing was, it's so unorthodox how they run. They run like the German goose step. I mean, the way the body is and their legs going, it doesn't look like it's right, but how could something like that run so fast?

And there he was running skinny. Now, everybody, you know, thinks that big things, foot's a huge and wide and, you know, 800 pounds. Well, this thing was like on a slim diet, you know, and he was just running. And he, I would say I had a good, it was 70 yards, you know, just watching him. And he went by me so fast that the crazy part was there was this tree. And I'm waiting, and he was going so fast. He didn't, the mechanics, he didn't go past the tree.

and I was thinking to myself just watching how could he not go past the tree going that fast? You know, E equals MC squared by Einstein you have to figure that something that fast has to take at least you know another 20

yards just to slow down and it just stops. So I'm going, okay, all right, I'm going to meet you. This is, it's time to meet. If he was running that fast and wanted to come at me and grab me, he could have detoured and come right at me. So as I walk to that tree, I'm walking to the center of that tree so I can see him

come left or I can see him come right. And I get right from the tree, nothing's happening. And so I walk around the tree to the side, nothing's there. I look over a little farther. About 20 feet away is the cliffs hangover. And I'm going, even still, man, how could he go that fast and then make a quick left and jump on there? So I don't know what to think. So I go back the beginning of his marathon. And I'm looking and there are stumps and there are broken trees and bushes and rocks sticking out. I don't know how he didn't trip and fall, knock his teeth out.

He just ran like he was running on pavement. And he ran that way. and it was still a head scratcher. The only thing that I didn't do was look up the tree. I didn't look up the tree, so that was my fault on that. But I was just amazed on how fast that thing ran on rough terrain. And that was one incident. Let me ask you, was there ever a time when you got a good look at the creature?

Got a good look at its face? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, got a good look. Even looking at that face, you know, you're talking about 70 yards. You're looking. I mean, he was black as black, shiny, running. You know, his face is sort of platinum. It didn't have the peak like other ones that I've seen have, but no, it didn't.

Um, but anyways, uh, the one that, uh, I, he came over to the cabin. Uh, this was a two years ago, right, now three years ago. Two thousand, yes. So it was about three years ago. And, uh, it was about 10.30 at night. I, uh, go out on the porch and I shine my flashlight. And there, I kid you not, this big foot was at, at least 12 feet.

And I'm looking at my freezer, my refrigerator, and he had to be every bit as wide as I'm staring at right now. And he was a reddish. I was shining the flashlights on his face. He didn't like it. But the kicker about this, Wes, is that I was ready to go and bring him some apples and stuff because he was just sitting there watching me, his eyes. The eyes was a step backward.

I wasn't ready to see the eyes glowing. And I'm telling you, it was like headlights. And for your listeners and hearing this and saying, you know, wow, this is going to. No, these eyes were red, orange, yellow, and they were beaming. And then, you know, and I'm sitting there on my deck. And it's no more than, I'm saying 25, 30 yards from me, you know. And, you know, when I shine the flashlight on his face and lie, he would go behind the tree. And then he'd come back and he would just, you know, and then I learned, okay,

I'm not going to shine in your face. I'll stand it around your, you know, your knees and that. But they were just something I was not aware of that they had. After staring at him and he's staring at me for five minutes or whatever, I said, okay, I walked into the cabin, grab some apples, and I just went out front, had two apples. I put one apple on the railing. I said, you know, I was going to come to you, but if you want to come to me, I'm right here. So I took my apple and I ate that thing for like 30 minutes. I mean, I just chewed it slowly.

I made all these like delicious sounds trying to say, okay, come on. you want to come over, come over. But I didn't have the balls or the courage to go to him at that point because of his eyes. So I sat and ate the apple, you know, and after I eating the corn and everything else, it's okay. So I go over and sit in my chair and I said, all right, I'll have my back on and maybe he wants to walk up behind me and take the apple and then maybe he'll come back another time. and so I sat there and maybe another half hour went by, looked over and the Apple was still there and he was still there. And he was just, you know,

swaying a little bit back and forth, just staying right there with the eyes. And so I said, okay. And then I went and sat in the chair and maybe another 10, 15 minutes went by and I went over again and he had left. Didn't hear twig break, didn't hear, you know, anything.

There was no wind or nothing. It was in the summer. And it was just quiet night. And then so I left the apple out for him. And I said, okay, well, maybe he'll take it and come back. And the next morning I went out there and the apple was still there. It proceeded and did it again the next night. And he came there.

And I still didn't have, and I kicked myself in the teeth to this day, because I'm praying for him to come back. With the eyes, I don't care. I don't care anymore. Honest, I kid you not. You know, and this time, of course, I'll be scared. You know, there was something that he wanted to make contact with me, and I believe that in my heart and soul,

and I didn't reach out because of the eyes. Yeah, it's strange. Strange about the eyes. What did the face look like? The face was, you know, what I could see, up getting him annoyed that he's going back he had the peak

you know and it was like an orange reddish hair and the face what I could tell was not hairy that you know I mean it was patch where you can see the skin you know it was flat

the forehead didn't have as much air as you know like like a widow's peak it was shaved back I mean I mean there wasn't hair that far up front But you could see. You know, you're just looking at this creature with these eyes popping out and just swaying, you know, just two inches this way, two inches out the whole time. Unless I shine the light in his eye.

And then he went behind the tree and waited for me to take it away. And he was just a huge, the girth. I'm looking at a freezer, man. And every inch of he wasn't a little bit wider than that. and he was a 12-footer. I went out there and looked, I'm going, yeah. He was bigger than the other one that I saw that was really skinny. The ones you've seen, would you say they look more human-like?

Would you say they look more ape-like, you know, more like a non-human primate? How would you describe that the face? Well, I mean, the ones that I have seen have all looked primate. Okay? You know, they didn't have the human features that you would, like I said, So some of your listeners talk about or on there, they didn't have that. It was more, more ape-like. What happened with your neighbors?

You said your neighbor. Okay. So this is, on the estate, they have a guest house. And they finally said, oh, you know what? Let's have some, you know, some people rent the guest house. And, and, you know, we'll make some money that way for, for taxes. taxes, whatever, because, you know, they were selling the property. They wanted to sell the whole piece of acreage for over $25 million.

But they had this guest house besides the mansion where, you know, if people, they didn't like to come and stay in the mansion, this thing was built in the 30s, in the 1930s, this property, but everything that they got. They had some people move in and they looked at the property as an amusement part. And they had quads and and they had, you know, all kinds of motor recreational vehicles, but they were going through the woods with them. They tore up the woods and the property in the back. And that was like a week after I saw the 12 foot, glowing the dark eyes, Bigfoot.

And you gotta be kidding me. And I'm, you know, this place is just magical. And they came and just invited their friends and neighbors and everybody was coming up there west with every quad and recreational vehicle. And they were going throughout the property. And they were paying a good amount of money to stay in this guest house. I noticed that the deer weren't coming back. and I noticed that wildlife had changed. And I spoke to my friend's, you know, the cousin.

I said, listen, man, they are destroying the habitat, everything here. You know, it's not my place to say, you know, you can't do this or can't do that. And, you know, he's a quiet introverted person and he just, you know, didn't make an effort. So in the book, which we didn't get to, when I first was putting up trail cameras throughout the property, there was an officer that worked for a DEP that would hunt on the property. We eventually finally became friends. So I gave him a call. And I said, listen, man, I says, you got to come and do something here because, you know, these parents are. last like six months, the habitat, everything driving could hear the clouds in two miles that way,

half a mile this way, and things are changing. He says, you've got to be kidding me. So he came over, he sat with me in the deck, we were watching what was going on. He said, that's what I got to see. He and his father and so he had been hunting on the property well before I got there. And so he came over, went and talked to the people and said, listen, if I catch you doing this or doing that, it's going to be hard for you to do anything around you because it's a small town, whatever, and this and that, you can't be doing this. They listened to his words.

Then they didn't do it for a while. And then they went back and started doing it again. and it was just changing the whole place. So I called them up again. I said, listen, you know, I put trail cameras in the woods, and what they would do is that when I wasn't around, they would go out and ride the bikes and everything throughout the woods, and then when they knew I was home, they wouldn't do it.

So I got the trail cameras, I was looking at him, uh-huh, look, he's going down here, they're going down, the kids are doing this and that. And so it came over again. I showed it to him. And then he went over there and showed him the footage that I had. So that ended that. But they had done so much damage that I didn't see them anymore.

Bigfoot had left. And believe me, man, I was fuming. Because, you know, just the week before they invaded the property. you know, this creature came to me, and I couldn't find him. And I went out every time, every other day, whatever, throughout the property, couldn't find any signs of broken limbs or stuff. They were just gone. Every so often, you know, I'd start seeing, like, you know, three deer here, you know,

maybe seven deer over there eventually coming. Because it took a while. I would say it took maybe seven months. seven months or so where you would start saying, when I first got there, it was like Africa. It was like Kenya. You'd walk up there.

I counted driving up the dirt road in this field and this field. I counted one night, 67 deer. They were like sitting on the grass and chewing their, this was beautiful. And that was an environment that Bigfoot could survive on. You know, because nobody was there as private property.

But, you know, after like seven months, I started seeing, you know, more and more things coming around. You know, you could see a bobcat. I've seen two mountain lions being up there.

And then one night, I'm sitting up at the big house. And I had my friend, I dedicated the book to Tim Rue and Willie. He just passed away, but he would come up there. And he loved Bigfoot and UFOs and all that. And we're sitting up there. And looking at the sun coming down. It was still, you know, you had some daylight. the coyotes were going off.

Now they were like, you could hear all the octaves west, from the adults to the pups. They were just all celebrating. Maybe there was maybe 9, 10, 12, I don't know. And then off in the distance, and I have this record, I'll send this to you. Off in the distance, I hear this long coyote. And it's going, you know, oh, and I'm listening to it.

And all of a sudden, the other coyote. Coyotes, they just stopped. Nothing, nothing happened. Maybe two minutes later, oh, it was just kept on going. And I'm going, that's supposed to be a coyote, I said, Willie, but, you know, that's, that's not a coyote. And I know my, you know, the animals have. So we're sitting up there, and it got dark. And we're looking at the guest house.

Now, things had tapered down. We're looking at the guest house, and I'm up on there, I'm looking, and all of a sudden, we see some flashlights come out and start walking around the house. Look at this. What's going? And this is right where the howling was not too far from that. So they go back in, maybe 10 minutes later with, we see a bunch of flashlights come, and everybody's circling around the house. They go back in, maybe 30 minutes. There's everybody's outside the house walking around the house.

And we're sitting there watching. I'm going, wow, he must be peeking. They're doing something, getting their attention. You know, because they're just, you can just see them. Everybody's looking around in the woods trying to see something. So that night, me and my friend get back to the cabin, you know, and we go to bed. And then I wake up in the morning. Now, I have this 15-pound cast iron solid duck.

that I have on my porch and it doesn't move. It holds the door open. It's gone through all these winters and it never falls over. Never. I wake up, I go outside to open up and I can't open my door.

I see that the duck is lying on its side and it's pushed right up to the door, which was holding the door open earlier that night. He pushed it so when I opened the door, I couldn't, you know, I said, well, I said, Will you come look at this.

And what he did was he climbed up on the porch. He pushed the duck on its side to let me know. And, you know, and I was like dropping the duck on its side to see how loud it was and it was really, really loud. I knew then that some came back. Just like recently, they'll come on the porch. I can't tell you why. I can't hear him climbing up the steps or walking on there, but they do.

and that was letting me know through all that turmoil and disparity of how this magical place was deteriorating but started to climb back. And it's never been like it was with the wildlife, especially when you had that much ethnic deer and population. I kid you not. Because they knew no one else was there except me. I had the whole place. they leave their nose they'll come in and they'll push their nose

their nose against my window and you can look at it and go you know what I'm saying he was staring in my in my cabin you know he'll come up there and press their nose and you know

and it's up I have these glass windows in the cabin you know and they're about maybe six and a half feet high these glass windows that open up

they'll go up there almost to the six foot three range and I'm only five ten and they're there and you can see their nose so they come up there and they let me know that they're around they'll do things like that you know besides breaking fees or whatever yeah i want to ask you uh chris one final question i what do you think that these things are i mean you've been in this situation where you've interacted with them what would you say they are okay my opinion well first day are the guardians of our forest.

Okay. That's all I can tell you and that they are here. I think that's the right thing. They watch over the land, I believe, like the Native American Indian, and that's the reason I named the book the one who runs in hides because Satuco means the one who runs

in Ids in Indian language. And it's appropriate. This is my opinion, and I could be wrong. I think they've been here for thousands and thousands of years, but they're not from here. When I see those eyes glowing like they do and how they disappear in front of me, something magical that they have, I know speaking with several experts that are in the field of, you know, anthropology and all this, you know, and I mentioned that, you know, what I've seen with the eyes and so on, they sort of like say,

I don't know about that, you know. I think it's a missing link or I miss it, you know, came from that whatever that one tooth they found in China that now is supposed to be anthropisticists, whatever. You know, it's, they just can't think outside the box. And that's the problem with a lot of individuals that don't believe. If you're going to think, you know, have an open mind, you know. Not everything is black and white.

It really isn't like. It just isn't presented. I didn't ask for this when I went to the cabinet. It was presented to me. I could have just turned my back and walked away and not go through the heartaches and problems with family members and friends. But I went and researched and, you know, and what I found out is that they are here. They're living. They're not a myth or legend.

they're among us and they will be among us but to your point I just think they've been here for thousands of years and from Russia the Yeti to Canada and into

places where they say the small one that lives in Indonesia there's a reason for this I can't say why but that's why I say they're the guardians of the forest they've been here for so long.

You know, when you watch the History Channel, they talk about that with some things with Incheon aliens and so on and Enochs, and they were saying how they were brought here to do labor and do the physical work

that regular man couldn't do. And they were saying that in the History Channel, you know, and they were saying that they live here like I'm saying, but they're not from here. And that's my opinion.

And, you know, but they are here. So if you believe they're not from here, but they are here, that's great. Just believe that they are here. Chris, I appreciate you coming on and sharing what happened to you. And for the audience out there, if you want to go through all of the experiences, we just touched on just a few. Wouldn't you agree, Chris?

I mean, there's so much that happened over this time frame. We just touched on a few things, you know? Yeah, we went back and forth in here and then. I skipped so much. You know, I'm just throwing off the top of my head of certain things, just to do that. talk to your listeners about, but it's riveting, it's scary. There are some scary parts in it, especially in the beginning and so on. And, you know, they can be, believe it or not, I mean, funny in some of the things that, you know, I went through. But, you know, it's, I'm glad it happened

to me, Wes. I'm so happy. And I'm glad that I'm able to share this with other people. hopefully with the DNA that I have and it can be proven. And this is what I'm trying to do is to prove that this is not to be dismissed and they are here, you know? Well, they're definitely here. They're definitely here. Thanks again, Chris. Oh, Wes, my pleasure. Thank you for having me on. It's an honor. Thank you very much. And that's it for tonight. Everyone, remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time. everyone. Country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote. I'm Tom Barton,

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