Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:507 Stalked in the woods

Episode Date: January 18, 2019

I will be releasing the public show tonight. I am working on a special show for the members on Sunday. I really think you guys and gals are going to like it. Tonight we will be talking to Ned who is a retired law enforcement officer from New York. Ned's encounter took place many years ago and it started when his car broke down. Ned struggled for many years on what he ran into that night. It is very interesting to hear the ambush behavior Ned describes. Dylin who is from Louisiana will discuss his encounter while he was a truck driver for a logging company. Dylin had stopped his truck and trailer on the job site around 2 AM. As he was adjusting his straps on the side of the trailer he heard his driver door close. He felt something on the other side of the trailer messing with his straps. He thought a worker was messing with him or it was the wind until he looked up and saw the creature. Dylin writes "I could definitely make out an elongated pointed head and the whole left side of its body was covered in what looked like matted wiry hair and the one arm and hand I can make out has sausage like fingers, a forearm that's larger in proportion that it's bicep and it's all hairy there is a difference in fur and hair and this was definitely hair. It reminded me of the beginning stages of dreadlocked hair that's been unwashed and starts to kink up. I'm standing here frozen in fear trying not to breath, scream and piss myself at the same time. You just don't expect these things during the daylight much less at 2am on a high traffic road standing right next to your vehicle between you and the cab of your vehicle which is the only area of safety you have. I can feel it's sizing me up it's head is steadily moving up and down but at the same time I feel it's more curious than it is aggressive."   https://sasquatchchronicles.com

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir?

That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicle. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. Friday night. I hope your week's been treating you well. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen tonight. I'm releasing tonight's show. This would normally be Sunday show, but I'm working on a member show for Sunday.

but I really appreciate you guys being here tonight. We'll be talking to Dylan, and Dylan comes to us from Louisiana. He was a truck driver, and he pulled up to a logging site, and he had an encounter with one of these creatures, and it's always bothered him. Shortly after this encounter, he gave up truck driving

and went to work at a mill, and I don't blame him. Then we'll be talking to Ned, and Ned is a former law enforcement officer from New York, and he'll be talking about an encounter he has, had back when he was a kid. And I find the behavior very ambush-like. It's really for me, it's fascinating to hear this behavior that went on during his encounter. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at

Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member, get additional shows. But either way, I appreciate you guys being here tonight. Let's jump into it. I want to welcome Dylan to the show. Dylan, thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me. Yeah, well, I appreciate you being here. And if you would, would you just kind of start from the beginning. Kind of tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened.

I was 18, I started driving a long truck for accompanying locally. And the start of the day, I'd wake up around midnight. I'd drop my empty trailer. You could smell, it's not a lot like a mix between. between rotted eggs and a wet dog. But it wasn't, no, I didn't think nothing of it because it had been raining for the past two days. I thought maybe just created that real pungent smell.

It made it to a third because, you know, maybe it's just the wind, Augusta wind, come through and shut my door. Well, I went down and popping and tightening at a wreck, like somebody yanking on it. I thought maybe another driver snuck in was pulling a prank on me, or maybe it might have just been the wind hitting it.

cause it to do that. I get to the back of my trailer, said, up, we're, here we're crying an assidate. And there's this, whatever it is, I mean, it was huge. I'm six-foot past, just looking at his left arm, which were maybe down a little bit past his butt, maybe.

When it was fiery, matted hair, and was big, but the things were more sausage-shaped than what normal humans would have. And all I could sit there and think was bodybuilder's dream. And if it comes at me, that's it. I'm sitting there, his head looking up and head like he just kind of eyeballing me. It done gotten stronger. Like it was close to me and this lasted, it felt like it lasted minutes, but started back and after it kind of got even with my door,

the light to kind of hit whatever it was. And I guess it spooked it because it just bolted for the tree on 45 feet away. And it made it there in about, it seemed to me kind of shaking the nervaries. He asked me what was wrong, and I explained to him what happened. And he said, well, maybe you should lay off the coffee at this time. It kind of demoralized me that one of the people that was supposed to have my back that I didn't believe me. He thought I was crazy. And from that one in six and I spent eight years every time I go to a family, it's turned.

into a joke. I put it over there. You used to go look and see what it is, you know. It was a terrified of experience. It was burnt hair. Stuff against the smokestack of the truck and the heat from it. Some of his hair I couldn't see, couldn't find it. Yeah, it was scary. I mean, I didn't know what its intentions were. I think it was more curious than it was aggressive and didn't seem like you just don't expect to see stuff like that at 2 o'clock in the morning. You don't especially do that in the daylight with kind of crowd of people. You don't when you're by yourself, it's hardly any light and seeing that, that's terrifying.

I mean, yeah, it makes me wonder, too, why it would get so close to you. But as you and I talked off the air, I mean, I've heard from many truck drivers who pull over and this thing's right, you know, all of a sudden this thing shows up. There was one truck driver head on. I don't remember if it was a member show or a public show, but he had pulled over and he got a call. There was a just, he had to adjust. he had to adjust the thermostat. Something with the thermostat, the trailer was carrying food, and it was getting too warm,

so alarms are going off, and he stopped, and he was trying to fix that. And he looked up, and this thing's looking right at him, right across the trailer bed, just standing there looking at him. And it's terrifying. You know, when you're out there, and, you know, if you don't really believe in Bigfoot, or you're not really sure, you know, it's not the first thing that comes to your mind. And then all of a sudden, it's real, and it's right in front of you. It changes your life.

And it does hurt when family members don't believe. You know, you can take it when the public's like, oh, you're a liar. But when it's family, it hurts more. Was there any other details that you remember? Get to about the door and the light actually hit the door. It kind of illuminated his face. His face wasn't, to me, it wasn't a primate face, but it wasn't a human face. It was kind of a closer to primate, but it wasn't like an ape or a gorilla.

He had the wide, pushed in nose, but it just didn't throw off the image of being a primate. And how far away from you was this thing when you first noticed it? The trailer I had, I think, was about 38 feet long. He was probably 38, 40 feet. I almost wonder if the crews had seen anything out there, the guys doing the lumber out there. I wonder if they had ever experienced anything. I would imagine, though, after all the, you know, getting poked fun at, you just kind of shut up and didn't really bother to talk to anyone or anything. Yeah, I didn't really ask anybody because, like you said, after they just kind of turned it into a punch line, I just got tired of being picked on for it. I didn't think anybody would believe me or if they seen what I was going through.

So I just did that. It's like you had said when he was off the air, I just love inside. I don't believe I'll, not many people think a Bigfoot would be in Louisiana. Like all of my life, I've heard this has been more of an Oregon, Washington. So when you actually see one, this is like, wow, you know, maybe that is my problem. That's not just their problem. Even if somebody comes forward nowadays around here and it comes up in the newspaper, there people think they're also going to have done,

smoked plenty of weed in my life and not plenty of times of the parties that have never seen a Bigfoot. Yeah, and that's it. That's the argument right there. You know, when people say, oh, how much we're drinking, how much we're smoking. I mean, you hit it on the head. I mean, you can smoke all the weed you want and you're not going to see monsters. You can drink all you want. You're not going to, even cough syrup. I mean, it's such a ridiculous way to pass someone off as you didn't see what you thought you saw. I think it's interesting how it was kind of looking you up and down almost did you get the feeling like it was sizing you up? Yeah, I did, and I don't know why it was that. I just curious as the time I just sat there and looked at me, I don't think it was really intending on being aggressive. If I wanted to be aggressive, I wouldn't have known what to do in that splits. If I feet, it wouldn't take nothing to ever me, pick me up, do whatever it wanted to. But it just stood there looking at it.

That's why I think of more curiosity of what I was doing there, what the truck was doing, what the trailer was out to harm me. Which I don't know what it was thinking. I can't read mine. I really don't want to know what was in it. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to say. It's hard to say what its intentions were.

Go ahead. I wasn't curious about it. I just wanted it to leave. Yeah. That's usually the way it goes. And it's interesting, too, you got the smell. You know, a lot of people, they report the smell. So not always, not in every encounter.

I have heard of many encounters where people report the smell. and I could see you passing it off when you get out of the truck, and, you know, there's fresh-cut lumber, maybe there's something rotten, may have been raining. I could see you passing that off. Do you think it was a creature what you were smelling? I believe it's actually changed jobs from logging to actually working in a lot. The smells are completely different. The wood smell of that, but that's exactly what it smells like.

Brooded food and wet dog. I mean, the way I could describe that smell, and it was face-to-face with it, It was overwhelming. I mean, it's only since I had was the smell and the fear. Why do you think it closed the door? Was it blocking its view of you? Or what's your opinion on that? Why do you think it actually closed the door of the cab?

I don't really know, because when the door is shut, I was on the complete opposite side of the truck. So it may not have even known that I was on that side of me. It probably did if it seemed to pull up and watch me get out. But, like I said, I'd let the driver sat. door popping back and forth. So it might have just shut the door. It could have been doing it out of curiosity.

Like I said, he didn't investigate what it was. It was like the strap. It might have just been pulling on the strap to see what that did. But even after, like in the daylight, the truck I had was a black truck. And it was covered in dirt. Like I said, it had been raining. It had mud up and down the door and could not find a handprint of any size. I couldn't find my handprint.

couldn't find it. But maybe it actually shut the door, if it was the wind, but it was pretty heavy. It'd take, then you actually have to put some force into it, and the wind wasn't really blowing. Had the wind shut the door on that truck. This thing could have definitely shut the door. It could have done it. I think it did. Yeah, and smelling.

Why, I'm not sure. Yeah, it's hard to say. And smelling that burnt hair smell, almost like you got too close to the truck, that's interesting that you picked up on that. What do you think its intentions were? Do you think it was just

curious, or do you think it was actually looking to take you and things were about to get real before that other truck came up? Honestly, I think

it was more curious because in any situation that I've noticed, especially with humans, or you mean harmed or something, you don't back away

from it. And this thing, it stood there about 30 seconds, but it started back away. I mean, it wasn't coming at me. It wasn't making any kind of vocalization.

When it ran away, it just backed away from him. So I think he was more curious as to what was happening at that moment around the truck in the trailer and seeing what it was. I think he was just coming to investigate what this was in his front yard. Yeah, it could have been. Could have been. What do you think that they are, Dylan? What's your honest opinion? What do you think that these creatures are?

Honestly, I don't know. know. I mean, a lot of people want to say they're primates, but I don't really think they're primates. And it's really hard to categorize them as humans when they actually show features, but I don't believe they're either of the two. I believe it's more of an undocumented species that we've yet to discover. But at the same time, I don't believe it's for human origin. It could be a cross between the two of them, but I just don't know. That's a very broad question. Yeah, it is. And there's no wrong answer. I mean, you could be 100% right on your, on your theories. It's one of those sayings, thank God, that it didn't come after you. Because of,

you know, what I know of these sayings, I think if that thing would have came after you, there's no way you would have stopped it. It could have done whatever it wanted, and there's nothing you could have done about it. And I think that's one of the biggest fear factors of it for most people. Usually when you encounter these things, you're alone. If you disappear for no reason, nobody is going to find you or know why you disappeared. Yeah, and it makes me wonder, too, about some of those missing person cases where they find

the car running, door open, and the person's vanished. But luckily, in this case, it just seems like it was more curious. Has it changed your life at all after seeing this thing? Yeah. I was okay with it, but it wasn't really a concern. I actually investigated into it. I've read into it. I went on camping trips by myself to see it in that exact area, actually, to see if I could see it again.

As far as my family's concerned with the jokes, I don't always to be there. They're not supposed to be terrified. I wouldn't do it to anybody. They shouldn't do it to anybody else. But I actually doing a lot more research. I've read books. I've bought movies. graphic documentaries on it. I used to watch Fun and Bigfoot, but that seemed to be more of a

staggy thing after some actual Bigfoot hunt. Yeah. You know, keep your head up. Like I always say, it's fun in games until you run into one, and then it changes your whole opinion on what's out there and what's not out there, you know what I mean? And I'm just thankful that it didn't harm you. It changes your view of the world, doesn't it? I mean, you stop and go, well, what else is real? You know, it kind of opened your mind to maybe I don't know everything that's out there after you see something like this, you know what I mean? Definitely. I said when we're off, the universe is vast. Why would Earth be the only one?

A lot of people think Bigfoot's an alien, but I don't necessarily believe Bigfoot's an alien. I mean, I personally don't believe it's an alien. Yeah, and that makes sense, you know, like in your encounter was kind of like encountering an animal. and correct me if I'm speaking out of turn. Oh, no. This animal is something I didn't expect to encounter, and it was a lot bigger than me. Yeah, absolutely.

I get what you're saying. Well, Dylan, thank you again for coming on. I really do appreciate you being here. I appreciate you having me. Thank you. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Ned. Ned, thanks for coming on. Absolutely. Thanks for having me on.

Yeah, I appreciate you being here, and I know you had a pretty terrifying encounter, really in New York a couple of years back. If you would, would you just kind of start from the beginning? Tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened. Sure, I'd be glad to. Okay, it was back in 1994, late August. I don't remember the exact day, but it was late August.

I had just turned 19. and a close friend of mine lived in a nearby town called Glenmont, New York, and I was staying up and hanging out with friends and stuff, and I had a couple drinks, which probably shouldn't have been, because I was under 21, but I didn't get, you know, terribly plastered or anything, but I had a couple of beers, and I wanted to let that all wear off before I drove. And I didn't feel like staying over at his house. I just, I waited until pretty late in the evening, well, really early morning.

It was around 4 a.m. and I decided to drive home so I could just sleep at my own house. And I drove, as I normally would, down the county route. And I'll say this much. I don't want to give the exact location because I don't want a bunch of curiosity seekers conversion on the area or anything like that. But I can give you the general area. I was, uh, it was in Albany County. and I was on Route 85. And I got to a point along Route 85 where there was a bridge. And as I came up on the bridge, my vehicle started to sputter as though I was having a fuel delivery issue.

And I came basically to a stop right on the bridge. And I got out and did a few assessments and decided I thought pretty positively it was my fuel pump. And it turned out later I was right. But I was basically a dead duck there. I couldn't drive anymore. It was way too late to call for a ride or anything. So I kind of had no choice but to lock up my vehicle and leave it and walk the rest of the way home, which was probably about two or three miles away. So nobody's up at this point, obviously. There's hardly anyone on the road. And the quickest route for me home was down this one road, which it comes into Route 85 and pretty quickly it disappears into where it's a dark road.

It's a very dark road. And general setting was there really weren't any houses near my vehicle, but once I turned left and went up this one road, there were a couple of street lights. and then the scene was on the right-hand side, an apartment complex. All the lights were out in the apartment complex, and then on the left side, there's basically forest. And there's a creek down there, a pretty sizable creek that goes on quite a ways. It's a tributary to the Hudson River.

And I started to walk up this road, and I passed the street light, and as soon as I got past the street lights, I was alerted to my left off in the forest by a very violent shaking sound of a tray. And I looked, and it was a full moon that night. I could see the treetops pretty clearly silhouetted. They were backlit. And pretty much the tallest tree around back there,

and it was probably about around 200 yards back into the forest. forest, the top of this tall tree, as I said, probably the tallest tree around, was just violently shaking. I mean, 10, 12 feet or so in either direction, just thrashing back and forth. And needless to say, it was attention getting, and it was very strange. So I stopped, and I'm watching, and I'm trying to ascertain what would be causing this. I thought, you know, indigenous animals, of course, that's the first thing you think. You're a rational thinking person and you're going through the obvious.

And I'm thinking a raccoon or, you know, at the most, a black bear, that's like the largest animal around that could possibly be in a tree that would be indigenous to my area. And right away, I'm like, that's too much to be a raccoon. At the minimum, this has to be some sort of a bear, like a black bear or something. So I'm watching, and the shaking stops. And then there's a pause, and then the shaking starts again, and it's again really violent, and then it stops. And then more of a swaying happened, where the treetops swayed to the right and swayed to the left.

Like something hanging on the tree was leaning back. and forth and making it sway. And I started to think, now, that's really, really weird. And, you know, I just couldn't stop watching because I'm alone on this road. It's dark. There's nobody around, no one watching. I have no one around me. And I'm trying to figure out and identify whatever this is because, you know, should I be worried about it? Is it a threat? So, after the swaying happened for just a few moments probably five, six, seven back and forths

and then that stopped and then I heard something on the tree moving like climbing type of movements and then I heard just what I could only describe as a sickening thud of something massive

hitting the ground and when I heard that I was really in doubt as to whether it could even be a black bear because, you know, I could discern that the weight of it was extremely high. I figured it had to have been something that weighed over 800 pounds, or close to 1,000 pounds or something. It sounded like a boulder hit the ground. And I'm already thinking, like, if that even is a bear, it would have to be like a grizzly bear or something.

It sounded like a cow or something hit the ground. It was just a sound that was more than a sound. it was, it reverberated through the ground, like I could feel it through the ground. I started to get really concerned at that point. And, you know, not for everybody, but in my own personal case, I mean, I started saying prayers of protection and stuff like that, too, because I started to feel threatened after I heard that. Something was on the ground.

It was very big, and it wasn't awfully far from me. And I'm only person around, so. a few moments passed. And then it sounded like, you know, a very, a large stone or a large, very solid piece of wood was being bashed into the tray. And it was a very loud, very mighty sound. And down in the forest, it actually is a defile. It goes down a pretty abrupt drop off off the left side of the road. where I was looking into, and the creek winds its way back through that area,

and it's like various heights of a gorge back in there. So it really made an echo. It was just like, heard it just like that. It was these three really loud knocks, you know, which I came to understand for Trenox. And I had heard a little bit about Trenox before, and once I heard that, I was already like, oh my God, this is like a big foot or something, you know. So, let's were coming fast. Everything was happening in a rapid succession, and I'm trying to adapt to the situation.

And no sooner was I trying to decide what to do when this creature that was back in there, it broke into a full sprint and it ran straight towards me and I couldn't see it but I could sure hear it it's beating the ground and just I mean I

it doesn't do it justice but I'd like to even imitate it was like it was like bash bash bash bash bash bash bash crash bash bash bash bash bash bash bash bash bash and then there's pauses in there where I could tell it was jumping because it would catch air the footsteps would stop in mid-run and then it would hit the ground and keep running.

It ran so fast and agile through the woods. I mean, it made a star Olympic athlete look like ridiculously insufficient. It had a speed and engraced and a power to it as it ran through the forest, which was just supernatural to me. It was awe-inspiring. And at this point, I'm bracing for attack. I'm preparing myself for an attack because I already had what behind me at this apartment complex and my best option would have been if I were going to run,

I would have to run across the street up into this apartment complex, hope to scramble and find a door and be, you know, just basically banging on someone's door at 4 o'clock in the morning. And it just, it didn't seem like I was going to find any aid that way. And I knew, you know, hearing this thing run, day. I wasn't really going to be able to outrun it anyway. So I faced it and I backed up a bit and I basically prepared for attack, you know, and it's, uh, it ran all the way up to me and right when I'm ready for it to leap out onto the road, it just stopped dead. And it was only like 10

feet away. I'm standing there in shock and this thing is there. And, you know, I can't see it. It's staying just inside the shadows. There was a guardrail on the side of the road and then a little bit of bramble brush and then a very steep drop off, almost immediate, like a 45 degree drop. And it's, it stayed just in the dark, just on the other side of the brush, the main sidebrush. and down in the drop off. And I can feel its presence there, and I heard it pushed out a couple of sharp breaths. Yeah, it didn't, it didn't growl,

it didn't stink with the odor that everybody, well, not everybody, but it's commonly reported this very foul odor that can be emitted. None of that happened, and I heard these sharp breaths. They were just like, like a few sharp breaths, almost like it was catching its breath. It certainly didn't sound like it was out of breath,

even considering the sprint that it just did. It covered about, I would say, approximately about 200 yards of distance and 10 seconds flat. And that wasn't even in a straight line. It was running uphill, downhill, jumping over things, zigzagging. Okay, so it's there.

It's literally 10 feet away. by the time it got to me. And I created a little distance. I backed up to where I was maybe, you know, 15 feet away from it. And it stayed perfectly still. And so I stayed and I faced it, and I sidestepped up the road in the direction I was heading. And I tried to just quietly keep facing it and walking away.

and hopefully it wouldn't persist. It hadn't jumped out and attacked me directly, so I thought maybe it will stay or something, and I'm just going to try to keep walking here. So I didn't want to turn away or sideways to it too much or give it my back just in case it jumped out at me. But I moved sideways, and once I got about 15 or 20 feet up the road,

suddenly started moving again. which of course really, you know, it was scary. You know, it could have been on the attack. It could have decided that was it. It was coming to jump, jump me right there. But instead it ran up the side from where it was. It stayed on that drop off. And it paralleled me.

And it ran past me. And it ran past me another, I don't know, probably 25 or 30 feet. And it stopped again. So it was. was making me, basically, if I was going to continue in the direction I was going, see, it was making me have to pass it again. And, you know, I felt, what should I do here? Should I run? Should I, but I already knew, like, running was going to be futile. So I thought, you know, all right, I'm going to have to pass it again. And I kept walking up, and I got to where it was

and bracing myself for whatever. And I kept going. I passed it again, and I got a little ways up further, and it didn't jump me. But it ran past me again. And it did the same exact thing. It repeated that process. It ran past me, and it stopped 10, 15 yards up.

And it made me pass it again. So at this point, I'm not totally relaxed, obviously, at this point, but I'm starting to feel better anyway, that it had opportunities already to fully attack me if it wanted to. So I started to feel that maybe it wasn't going to attack me. And, you know, I mean, I'm saying prayers under my breath this whole point. And I passed it. And then it passed me again.

and it stalked me like this for something between an eighth and a quarter of a mile I finally got to the end of the guardrail was basically in place to stop, you know, vehicles from going off the road and going over this defile. That's, I think, the reason they had the guardrail

situated there was that there was this steep drop-off. And when I got to the end of the drop-off in the end of the guardrail, it settled itself for a final time. I walked past the end of the guardrail, and the woods ended not too far after that. To an extent, they were still very, very much back behind. And, you know, to the left side of me,

there was still a lot more woods. But this is an area where a residential property cut in, and there was a lawn there. And there wasn't any more cover. for it that was near the road. So I went past, you know, there were probably 25 to 35 feet, and I stopped and I turned around. And at this point, I'm not hearing anything. And the sun is starting to come up.

So little by little, I started to be able to see into the forest more. And I'm looking so hard as I can in the trees. And I'm thinking, you know, at this point it passed me, I'm sure, four to six times. It had run past me like it had previously done. So I was already feeling fairly secure that it wasn't going to necessarily attack me because it had so many chances to do it already. And now I was away from the cover. So I stopped and I turned around and I was thinking to myself, boy, I mean, I'd like to even just catch a glimpse of this thing. as long as I'm here anyway, and as long as, like,

there's nothing I can really do to change the situation anyway. I was really hoping to be able to catch an eyeball on it. So I'm looking into the forest as hard as I can, and everywhere I can scan, you know, including where I thought that I heard it last stop. And even off into the back of the forest as far as I could see, to see if I could see it walking away or anything, but I didn't see anything.

So I started to cautiously reverse direction, direction, and I would take about three steps at a time back towards where it was, and I would take a few steps, and I would lean right and left far to try to see around the trees and see if I could see an arm of shoulder or something sticking out that would be enough for me, as long as I saw it there. If I saw anything sticking out, I definitely would have just turned around and just kept walking away. I just wanted to see it somehow. now. And I edged closer, a few steps at a time, a few steps at a time looking like that. Wasn't seeing anything. And then I got up to pretty close to where I heard it stop. And I didn't go all the way to that spot because if it were hiding there, I didn't want to get grabbed or something. But I got to within probably 15 feet of where I thought I heard it stopped last. And just looking as hard as I could. And, you know, it was gone. as far as I can tell.

I mean, obviously it's it's something that was expert in stealth and hiding. And there's the off-fam possibility that it just stayed so perfectly still because the light was still filtered. It was still pretty damp.

You know, there's the off-fant possibility that it had such discipline that it could stay absolutely perfectly on moving and somehow it did avoid my detection, but as far as I could ascertain, it was gone. and then, you know, I looked back into the forest as far as I could. More and more light was coming every moment.

When the sun comes up, the light comes quickly. And, you know, within five minutes, it's a whole different world. So at this point, I could see pretty well back into the woods. And I didn't see retreating. I didn't see it off, you know, in the furthest extent of my range of sight or anything like that. And I didn't hear a thing. When it was gone, it was like it vanished. It was just like it vanished.

And that was pretty much it. And at that point, I mean, I turn around, I walk home and just processing the whole experience. What did you think was going on at that time? I know you had mentioned Bigfoot before, but gosh, I would imagine if I was in that situation, you know, if it's a cougar or if it's a bear, and I don't know if you guys even really have those in that area, but if they're going to attack you, they're going to attack you. They're not going to play games with you. They're just going to come and get you or they're going to leave.

It's either one or the other. And the behavior of it running ahead of you and stopping, makes me always wonder if that was like a trap to get you to run, and so it could grab you, you know what I mean, get you a little startled and it was ahead of you. It could easily come out and, I mean, just my theory. But what did you think was going on at that time, Ned? A lot more of it developed depending about it now than I'd,

necessarily did then. I mean, I was always interested in these kind of topics. And, you know, my kindergarten, my first, my first book on cryptic animals had Bigfoot the Loch Ness Monster. It all started when I was a young kid. So I had some knowledge of Bigfoot at the time, but I didn't have a lot of detailed knowledge that I have now from over the years doing a lot more research. So what I think was going on, if I were to give it a summary of what I think was going on, there's a lot of discussion about the creature and its intelligence and its ability to be tactical and to use stealth and cover and everything like that. And also to set up ambushes. You know, there's a lot of discussion about how it hunts, how it hunts dears. They use group tactics. They

they use pretty highly developed strategies in things when they're hunting. Well, what I think is that when I broke down on the road over by the bridge, I think it already had a beat on me. I think it was in an observation point up at the top of the tree. And it was in a pretty commanding view of everything around. And, you know, it's pretty widely known now how they're mainly nocturnal. They've got this incredible night vision ability. And they can stay very far away from a human being and observe them without being observed because of their superior night vision.

Well, I think it was it was keen to my presence all the way when I started walking from my vehicle. And I think it waited until I got in the dark. And once it saw that I was a perfect ambush opportunity, you know, no witnesses around. All the people were asleep. And interestingly, this apartment complex was right on the opposite side of the road, but there wasn't any lights on or anything. You know, 99% everybody in that apartment complex was in mid-reem sleep. And I think that had something to do, too, with why it didn't vocalize or make, or growl or even at the odor or anything. I think it was really, I think it did have it in mind to pick me off.

and I do feel like if I ran from it it somehow or another would have and gave it permission to grab me or something. I think facing it and you know I was

I was using strong verbals against it too. I was actually you know I didn't know if it could understand me or not but I felt like it might I was issuing threats and thanks to it. And I was facing it, and I was holding my hands up wide.

I had a wide stance with my hands wide apart and everything like that. And because, you know, basically they teach you that. Like if you get confronted by a bear or a predator in the woods, there's two schools of thought. One school is lay down on your face or something and be submissive. And then the other is make yourself as big and powerful and scary as possible to a predator, right?

So that's what, I mean, I felt I felt inside that the right thing to do would be to base it because like I couldn't have ran away from it anyway and I felt like if I did if it was going to get me, it was just, then it was just going to get me from

behind and you know I just for lack of a better way of putting it I just wouldn't want to go down like that you know so I figured if the thing was going to attack and basically kill me you know I was going to do it

as much harm as I possibly could. And I express myself towards it that way, you know? And then after it passed me a few times and it didn't get me, I know I started to feel pretty confident that it's highest motivation level for attack had to have gone past because in the beginning of the encounter, it would have been the prime time. It would have taken me if it was. going to.

You know, so. Yeah. Yeah, I think it did have me singled out as, I think that's what, I mean, I, I, um, read a couple of the books by David Paulitis and the missing 411 series. And, um, I don't think that all of the disappearances that he describes in his books can be attributed to anyone's thing. but I think that maybe a portion of them with a few particular cases

being standouts were abductions by these creatures I do believe that there's a lot of there's a lot of clues in there about the ambush predator opportunity type of modality that it has you know like

singling out the last people in line grabbing people when you know like a very keenly kind point when there's no witnesses, you know? Someone walks around a bend behind the rest of their hiking group and they're never seen again. Someone hikes way ahead of the group to get to the next point because they're a better, more energetic hiker than the rest of the people and the rest of the group gets there and the person's not there and they're never seen again, you know.

And then, of course, people going in by themselves. and there's more than one case in there where someone broke down by the road or in an area, parking area or whatever, and they find an empty vehicle sometimes running and the person's gone.

You know what I mean? So I think it was like this creature assessed the situation and determined that I was ambushable and that it had a good probability of getting away with me without any witnesses. I really do feel that, yeah.

Yeah. I think that they are ambush predators, and I think you did the right thing. I mean, you start screaming at it and you're cussing at it and you're, you know, telling it off. It's that fight or flight, man, kicks in. People run or they'll stop and fight. You know, in your case, you would have lost a fight, but, you know, who knows, you step, you know, jab it, take an eyeball out with your thumb or it's going to hurt when it comes to get you. You're going to lose, but, you know, and maybe that's what got it to back off. It's really hard to say. Did you, did you, telling you one? Because I know you were at your friend's house, which isn't far from there,

and you guys have heard strange vocalizations. Well, I told people about it after. I was alone at the time, completely alone. But I had come from my friend's house. He, yeah, this same friend whose house I left, he had moved and started a family and moved to a nearby town, which was like eight, 10 miles away from there. So I was most of the way home when my car broke down and this happened. But he used to live on a street that was probably a quarter to half a mile from where the incident happened. And he had on his own, you know, just from being home and every once in a while walking outside his front of his house to get some fresh air and hanging out on his driveway, he was hearing screams.

in the woods. And he told me about it a couple of times. And the one night I was over at his house, he brought me out and he showed me. And I heard them too. And that's not the only time. I personally heard those kinds of screams in the general area, not in the exact same spot. But over the years, I had heard these kind of screams. So we're standing there.

And, yeah, it was way out in the woods. And generally speaking, it was the forest where this thing came from and the night of that incident. It was generally that swath of the forest. And it sounded like a banshee scream, you know, just like a blood-curdling woman. People talk about the woman being murdered sound, you know. I think that's what they're talking about. But it has a high range to it and also a low range to it, though. it's like in one voice, it's outside of like what you would expect a human to do.

And, you know, we heard this stuff. It was probably, oh, I want to say half a mile or so away. It was, you know, it was pretty far what we were hearing. But it was, you know, obviously not any kind of animal that we knew. We didn't know whether it was demonic or what, you know. but it was definitely disturbing sound, you know. Well, let me ask you, what do you think that Sasquatch is, Ned? And you know there's no wrong answer.

So I'm just curious on what your personal opinion is. I realize you didn't see the creature, but, you know, you had this experience, which is terrifying. And I would argue the point, sometimes it's more terrifying, not seeing what's coming for you, as opposed to seeing what's coming for you. But what do you think that they are? Yeah, agreed. Well, I'd say that my opinions over what it is have actually changed over the years, and it's something that's in process because, well, let's face it, it is a mystery. But I'm at the point right now where I think it is a lineage of ancient human that has DNA differentiation from normal humans.

I've looked into this Sasquatch DNA project that was done and David Politis was actually a part of that but what struck me about that project was the the comprehension level and professionalism level of the people involved in it

apparently benefactor with a lot of money donated like $500,000 to get this done and the people that went out and collected the evidence were all former law enforcement people and stuff along those lines were professional level evidence collector technicians that knew chain of custody and everything. And they got a lot of hair samples,

and I guess they even got some blood and things. And are you familiar with this, Wes? I am, yeah. I would imagine so. So I don't remember the name, but there's a female forensic technician that offer services to law enforcement, a professional person that deals with crime scene evidence and things like that, had a really strong reputation for providing professional services to law enforcement agencies. And so we're not talking about, you know, bad-haired scientists here. And they took the samples and she, she did the pre-processing. There's two types of DNA evidence. You know, there's a mitochondrial DNA, and then there's cellular DNA,

and mitochondrial DNA will tell you an awful lot of basic information, and then the nuclear DNA will go into much more extreme detail. And she was able to do mitochondrial DNA, and she was coming up with human. And she couldn't do the nuclear DNA, but she sent these samples out to, I guess, some pretty reputable places. You know, university laboratory. of high reputation and things. She wasn't going to name them.

She snuck some of the names out, I think, though, from what I remember in the interviews, but she was trying not to. But, you know, at least three major universities, she sent these samples out to and stuff. And what they came back with was pretty disturbing. And quite honestly, like, their status quo couldn't handle it. But they were coming up with half human and half unknown.

like the known DNA examples from the animal kingdom. Like they couldn't cross-reference what the father, the lineage of the father was. They came up with human female and they came up with unknown male. And I tend to believe them. I tend to believe that, you know, just because of the professional level and reputation of the people involved in that, I tend to believe that they're presenting information on a professional level. You know, I always swept under the rug to an extent, and still there's a lot of skepticism involved in it. But, and then you go back to the Native Americans.

And they always described them being a tribe of what they consider to be a type of people. and, you know, there's a lot of corroborating early histories to talk about, like, the Lakota Sioux, how in time of starvation, a certain tribe turned itself towards black magic and consuming human flesh in time of starvation and all this. And they became evil, and it actually caused some sort of chain. Now, I don't know how much of that is real or true, but they believe it. And due to this evil tribe of natives arose that were basically what a lot of them considered to be Sasquatch or Bigfoot along different names, you know, Windigo or Rougaroo or any of that. And they actually had a war with these things and chased them across the continental United States until finally to the West Coast. just a lot of other tribes corroborated too, where they describe these, you know,

giant hairy people that they consider a tribe. And if you follow that, you know, it's, I do have a theory here, okay? Let me, let me explain this, too. They, um, Native Americans describe them using, uh, structures. Like they had houses. You know, when,

when the Native Americans talked about these people coming up on their camps and stealing, uh, animals or children or stuff like that, too, they talked about female Sasquatches that they carried woven baskets. There's reports of these things being used making fire, that they actually can make fire. Yeah, my theory on this is that, and not everybody might agree with me, but I think they're a genetically aberrant human, and I think they're highly intelligent. I think they know they will never fit in with human society, okay? I think they know that the worst possible thing that can happen for them is discovery because they've already been hunted down in a huge era of warfare and hunted almost to extinction.

And I think they've made an art form out of hiding and being ultra—I think they're the ultimate survivalists. I think they're—I think they've highly honed an art form of deep forest survival for the pure practical purpose of evading being destroyed. and I think due to this they stopped using fire. I think they stopped making obvious things that were like manmade. I think they've more and more taken on the persona of beasts, and they've probably developed in that direction too, but purely out of need. I really, that's my thought on it.

Yeah, and like I said, you could be right. You know, it's no one has to agree with your opinion or disagree with your opinion because no one truly knows. And, you know, the person, and you know, you could go with the argument that they hunt like an animal, but they're smart like a human. And they're intelligent on how they hunt, how they surround, how they, just like your encounter, what mountain line is going to run 25 feet ahead of you, stop and wait for you to show up. That's not how they hunt. That's not how any animal hunts. If you're going to ambush someone, that sounds more like human-like behavior. I'm not saying they're human, but that's more thought process than.

You know, a mountain lion's just going to run you down. Bears just going to run you down. You start screaming and yelling and cussing and swearing and putting your arms up. A, they're either going to leave or they're going to attack. They're not going to sit and play games with you. I can't think of any other animal on this planet that would do that. And going back to your point, you were mentioning Melba Catcham down there in Texas. And I've invited Melba to the show.

You know, I told her, you know, it would be a fair interview. I'm not going to all of a sudden become a, you know, a jerk. since she's on the show, I wanted to hear what she had to say, you know, because there's so many different rumors about Melba and, you know, the big foot world, which I'm not a part of, but, you know, it's all drama queens and a bunch of idiots arguing with a bunch of other idiots. And, you know, my offer to Melba was, hey, would you like to come on the show and kind of break it down, break down what you found and kind of explain it to me in a way and to the audience in a non-scientific way as much as you can what you found.

Because I'm fascinated to know what she found. You know, I'm just a dumb guy. I read the report and I understand about 25% of it and the rest of it I get lost in. And, you know, every researcher hasn't, you know, they have these feelings towards Melba. It's like, well, have you guys actually talked to her? Well, no. What are you talking about then? You know what I mean?

But I understand too. And she doesn't, she's by no means has to come on here in answer to me or anyone else. That's not what the point of the interview was. I really was curious on what she found. But she refused to do it. And, you know, I respect that. You know, no hard feelings on it. But I really wish that she would because I'm curious on, let's get past the rumors.

Let's get past all these huge egos in the Big Fort world. Let's get past all the nonsense. And let's find out what you actually found, you know, and walk through what you found, just of my own curiosity. But anyway. And I hope that comes across the right way. I don't mean to bash Melba by any means. She's more and welcome to come on the show now and in the future if she changes her mind.

But I would be interested in knowing what she knows from her instead of, you know, some guy in Kentucky that, you know, he's the Bigfoot researcher and he's going to solve this and Melba's full of crap and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's get past all the nonsense and let's sit down and have an intelligent conversation on what she found because, you know, it is. It is interesting, and going back to one side's human and the other side is unknown is a little concerning for me personally. Yeah, you know, there's a lot of talk about Nephilim and stuff like that. Well, I'm not going to say it necessarily means that, but what it could indicate is a mutation, like an undocumented mutation in a human species. people talk about that mongloid appearance and they talk about

structural similarities in the skeleton to Neanderthals and stuff like that well maybe it's the side chain of of humans that you know it has a genetic part there that we don't have it documented because it's just completely unique to them you know but I'm

I want to say maybe a little surprising disappointment that you didn't take you up on that offer I hope she might reconsider that because I think that'd be great. I think you've got the highest quality Sasquatch show on the internet personally. That's just my personal opinion. I've been listening for a long time and

I find that the quality of people that you have on there, so far as their sincerity that they convey and stuff, I'm pretty good at seeing through baloney stories myself. Not pointing fingers anybody in particular, but I've heard more than a few where I could tell within

a few minutes, you can tell by vocal tone, you can tell by details and stuff like that. And I find that you're very good at finding people that, at the minimum, are sincere. So, if she was going to do an interview on a show, I think yours would be a good one

for her to do. I would hope that she changes her mind. I hope that she does too, and there's no gotcha moments, and I even said that to her in the message. I was like, there's no gotcha moments on the show, and it's not a you're not going to walk into a trap. If I invite you to the show, go listen to 10 episodes,

of, or go listen to a couple episodes of my show. There's no got-you moments. I don't pin anyone against a corner because you really get nowhere with that. I had to laugh about your vocal tones. That's something a cop would say. You know what I mean? That's your law enforcement coming out, because I hear that from a lot of law enforcement guys.

Exactly what you just said, I've probably had 30 emails saying that exact same thing. But thank you for the current words, too. Yeah, sure. I do have a law enforcement background. That is a fact. I do have, I have training behavioral analysis and stuff like that.

And then the tone and inflections of people's voice do come into play there, sure. And then, you know, you got to combine it with detail, though, too. Sometimes people,

they leave glaring holes in their details. Like one example, I mean, I won't name names and I don't think this is going to do any harm to anybody, but I watched the video one time about a big, fun encounter, supposedly this guy was way off trail, hiking,

and it got late and he was alone in the woods and all this. and he saw a big foot on a tree, and it jumped off the tree and knocked them down, and it bit his arm off at the forearm, you know. And then he's able, after this, you know, the big foot chow's down on his arm, and then he's able to hike back out and get the safety. You know what I mean?

But it's just completely ridiculous. I mean... Yeah, you bleed your death. You're not going to get back up and hike back out. Yeah, you're going to sit there and bleed you. Yeah, you'd be unconscious in a minute. within a minute, you know? So some of them are just glaringly obvious.

You know, there's definitely people out there that are telling stories. You know, off-air, I would give you my opinions on it one or two more, but I'll just save it for that. No, I understand. Because I don't want to name and shame, and if I tell too much detail, I think it will make it kind of obvious in the case or two. But, yeah, just leave it at that. But, yeah, Ms. Ketchum, and thank you for help me recall her name.

I hope that she does actually do an interview in the future. That would be great. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Well, Ned, I appreciate coming on and sharing your encounter very much. You know, it's terrifying, you know, to break down and be out there and have this happen to you. And I don't think I'd ever take another walk through a dark road in the middle of night after something like that happened. You know, it's terrifying.

You know, it really is. And I know the area well where you're talking about, as you and I talked off the air, I've had many encounters from that area. I'm at a cop back in the 70s telling me of an encounter, I think, pretty close to where you're at. But I've had a lot of encounters over the years in that area. And, you know, a lot of people think you've got to go 50 miles out into the woods to run into these things. That's not true. Most encounters, if you look them up on a map, there's generally a lot of people around, which is bizarre. You know, it's really bizarre.

that they're so close to civilization. Yeah, yeah. The geography and everything is laid out in such a way that there is a emotive passage where one could go to and fro completely undetected from the mountains and down into this area. And besides a couple of road crossings that could be very easily done, you know, especially at night. You know, you can see headlights from a mile away. I think half the time when these creatures show themselves on the road in front of cars driving, by, I think, like, they must want to be seen.

Because they can obviously see headlights from very far away if they want to. It feels that way. Doesn't it? It feels like it. It almost feels like they want to be seen. Because you're right. They do. They just kind of stumble out in front of cars.

And most wild animals don't do that. I guess except for deer. But, um... Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if they're getting in a mode where they just, they're, they're in the mood where they don't care or whether or not every once in a while, They get a fancy out of getting a rise out of people.

You know what I mean? I don't know. Yeah, it feels that way, doesn't it? Feels that way sometimes. Well, Ned, I really appreciate you coming on the show and sharing your encounter. My pleasure, absolutely. Thanks for getting ahold of me and having me on the show. It's really appreciated.

Thanks again, Ned. And I want to close out tonight in memory of a listener of mine, Aaron from Dayton, Texas. his wife Barbara wrote me a very nice email, and the title of the emails, Thank you for the Memories. My husband passed away suddenly last June. He was 50, and it was very unexpected. He was a member of Sasquatch Chronicles and enjoyed every minute of it. We always listen to your podcast every Sunday.

We love the intro music. It was his ringtone. Even if I was out of town, he'd call me, and we'd listen together. Some of my greatest memories involved you, your guests and the show. Thank you so very much for what you do. You're the best at it. Your interviewing skills are beyond measure.

Basically, I wanted to say thank you. P.S. I listen every day. Just replaying the episodes, it comforts me. Thank you, Barbara. I follow blindly that I'd find you. I'd find you. I'd just... You can't tell that your work still...

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