Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:51 Spottsville Monster Part 1

Episode Date: September 22, 2014

In 1975 in Spottsville, KY the Nunnelly family home was terrorized by mysterious 8ft tall creatures. Their nightmare was written about in newspapers, broadcast on TV shows but the mystery as to what was roaming the quiet western Kentucy town outside of Henderson remains. On Sunday we talk to Mrs. Nunnelly and she describes what happened on their property. Join us for an unforgettable night as we dive into this story! We will follow up this show by talking to her son Bart.

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. But this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What's on, what are you reporting? What are he out here?

What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'4.9. I don't know. Yes, I'm looking right in. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Radio. Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. In 1975, in Spotsville, Kentucky, the Nunley family home was terrorized by a mysterious eight-foot-tall creature. Over 35 years ago, and I remember like it was yesterday, what I remember most was the fear that we all felt when these things came around.

It was the first time that had ever seen my dad scare of anything. I heard a bunch of limbs breaking coming through the woods, like something coming through the woods, some large coming through the woods. And all of a sudden everything got real quiet. And I looked over to the edge of the woods, and he was standing right in the little gully, right outside of the woods, just standing there and watching us. I couldn't even speak.

I was so scared. I knew they were there. I didn't know what they were. But I knew that they were not stigmatized to our imagination, because it killed all our animals. This place is probably the number one spot where these creatures like to hang out for whatever reason. And there was this thing standing right directly under that light.

What that thing is, I don't know. But I'll tell you one thing, it's eerie. I don't care what you believe. I've seen it. I'm not the only one that's seen it, and I don't care what you believe they're not. I know it's true. So help me, God, that is true.

The creature killed the family's pets and livestock. It seemed to be lured in while the children were playing. The family was terrified for their lives. You better believe it. The family decided to take matters into their own hands. Four armed men climbed to the roof of the family's home and waited. The creature was seen exiting the barn. This is their story.

This is part one of two of the Spotspell Monster. Tonight on the show we'll be speaking with Rosalie, and Ms. Nunley is actually the patriarch of the family, and she's going to be sharing some of her experiences. In two weeks, we'll be speaking with her son, Bart, who will also be sharing his experiences and his encounters around the property. But tonight, I want to welcome Rosalie to the show. Okay, Rosalie, what I usually is.

you like to do and I people over the last 40 Sasquatches myself on a couple of occasions so in fact when I'm 16 I ran into two of them at 15 feet let me ask you this usually what I like to we start into an account is to find out what people

knew about the subject prior to that experience the first time so if you could tell us maybe what you knew about the subject well I knew nothing about the big foot I do not a thing because I'd never seen pictures of one or never seen one or didn't know what one looked like.

But there was this guy, we had a lot of woods down behind our house, and he always trapped and hunted down there. And he knocked on the door one morning. I was getting the kids ready for school. And he said, did y'all see, hear anything last night? I said, well, no. he said well he was sitting down there under a tree waiting for a squirrel and said he's seen this big thing run between them trees and took off like a jet and I said no I haven't seen anything well that got me wondering if he'd because he was an honest good truthful man he was a fireman here in Henderson at one time and anyway I I hadn't heard anything until one day, me and my husband was out setting tomato plants in the garden.

And there wasn't no cows or pigs or anything like that, but in miles of our house. And down in them woods, you could hear them big limbs of snapping. I said, do you hear that? He said, hell yes, and let's get in the house. So we went in the house, and the next encounter I had, him I don't know whether it was it or what it was but it woke me up screaming it sounds just like an elephant screamed out and then the next encounter I had with him like I told he was underneath this desk the Donald Mike the whole Jackie my

daughter-in-law to go check on the kids they had this trailer right beside the house and men her was sitting over playing cards and the men and they I don't even know where there's at. But anyway, I said, Jackie go over there and check on those babies because it was kind of getting late. And I stepped out on the front porch and we had

this dust alone like, well, probably a half a block from the house. And I looked over there and there stood that thing right under that dust of dawn light.

And I screamed for Jackie to get them kids over there Oh, Lord, my heart come up in my mouth, went to my feet, it went all over me. So we shut the doors and locked it and they had people down there shooting at it and everything else. And they found a footprint out right out in, but the kids were standing there on the road waiting to the school bus one morning. and they seen it run across the field. And we had this guy that I was talking about to come down there, and he took a footprint of it.

And it was this old barn out there, and it was raining one day, and this guy, I'll call him Roy, because he don't want to be identified. But anyway, Roy had been down through their hunting, and it started raining. and he went into this old barn, and he said that thing was in there, and said he turned around and said he had eyes look like fire. And he turned around and went out the end of the barn, and it had to be muddy,

but there wasn't a footprint to be found nowhere. It's weird, but anyway, we nailed up all over windows, and I told my husband, I said, We're getting out here tomorrow and find another house. I am moving. I tell you, that's scary. Can you describe to us what you saw? Do what, honey?

Can you describe what you saw? Well, it was this. He was at least eight foot tall. And he had hair all over him, just except his face. I could see his face was shining. So it looked kind of like leather. And his hands hung way down below his knees. And he just stood there.

And then that time I had the kids out in the yard playing, and I was cleaning house. And my oldest son, I told him, I said, Dean, and I said, go out there and check on those babies because they were only a couple years old. And he would come running back in there. He said, Mama said that thing standing out there with Uncle Robert's truck. He had an old grain truck sitting out there, and you know how high the sides are on them.

He said that thing's head was above that thing. He had the kids in one hand, and he was, well, I had to take him to the doctor. I mean, he couldn't get so upset. He couldn't eat or nothing. And I had to get them kids out of there. but I tell you and this guy that I know

that I've been talking about Bob he said he on this tape that I've got he said he's seen them as late as in the late 80s so they're still down there

when it was underneath the light and you had seen it that one time did you feel like your life was in danger Yes, I most certainly did Because I'd never seen one of them things before And I didn't know what it was So we called the state police down there Okay

Well, they said it was a bear I said ain't no damn bear Going to run that that That tall, at least eight foot tall Run on his hind legs that fast Well, you know if it's a bear And it starts in the house I said, no, you shoot it.

It's against the law. I said, I want to tell you something, man. You let whatever it is start in this back door, and I will shoot it. I don't give a damn what it is. Anyway, well, you know it's against the law to kill a bear. I said, well, I guess it's okay from to kill my kids then. How long did it come around the property, Rosalie? How long did all of this take place?

Oh, God. I don't know, honey. It's been so many years ago. Well, this roll away, he'd come down through there several times looking for tracks and stuff, and then they seen it one time, and we had, I don't know, several guys up on top of the house with guns, and we've seen it run right down the side of an old barn that was there, and they was all shooting it. Some of them had to hit it.

you can't kill them. You cannot kill him. And he jumped across this little fence like it wasn't even nothing. I was reading about your story, and I saw that some of your children had initially found dead dogs out in you guys' cornfield. They kept finding dead animals out there. Well, there was a pig. Like I said, there wasn't no animals around there nowhere. And we came home from town one day.

and there was a pig laying over there in the side of the road and all of his entrails was gone and his eyeballs and we did have a goat, a pet goat tied up to the tree right there practically by the back door well it disappeared and it was on the chain we had some dogs and boy and that thing and get around they'd get up underneath the house and just have a fit and do you remember the

the previous renter of your property mentioning to you guys that he had to actually shoot out the back door because he saw a hairy feller standing there looking at him well when we moved in this house Buzzy White lived there and the back screen door

that let out from the kitchen I noticed it looked full of holes you know like a BB holes or something and I thought what in the world happened but anyway a little later on he said he heard that thing out there and his dogs run under

the porch and having a fit said he heard that thing out there and he shot for it through the door I said oh my god why didn't you tell me that for I moved in here yeah that would have been nice to know yeah it'd been an empty house I'd tell you that what made you feel like I know I want to go back when you said

You felt threatened by it. Did it have a certain look to it where you felt it was dangerous, or was it just the type of creature and the size it was? Well, it was the type of creature because I haven't never seen one. And like I said, I was so scared. I didn't see the look on his face. I just hollered for Jackie to get them babies over at the house. Do you know if anyone else in the area reported animals missing,

dogs and farm animals, things like that? No, because everybody dared say anything because the cops, this Bob was telling you about, the police threatened to sue him if he kept saying that he's seen that thing. They made him shut up. That's interesting. If it was a bear, you wouldn't think they would make somebody be quiet about, you know, a bearer in the area doing something. Yeah, well, they said, well, we've seen a bearer.

out there on the golf course. Well, hell, that was 10 miles from the house, but it wasn't no bear. It wasn't no bear. They was just saying that to keep people from getting scared. Sure. Do you remember your husband keeping some kerosene or lighter fluid in the house?

No, no, honey. They got inside? Now, he might have done that, yes, because he said he'd better us all burn up and have that thing get us. Because he felt like it wanted one of the children? Well, like I said, he was standing up there watching those two babies. But, you know, the funny thing is, I've never heard of them getting a human.

So, you know, it's a $64,000 question. I wish somebody could kill one of them and do an autopsy on it. I'd like to know what they are. Because, you know, 15, well, not 15, five or six people with shotguns and everything's shooting at it. It's found to have got hit. But it jumped that fence and went on just like nothing flat. So I don't think you can kill them. Well, let me ask you this, Ms. Rosalie.

Why did everyone get up on the roof with guns ready? and pop-off shot. Because it was close to the house. The barn, I would say, oh, God, I'm not very good at judging distance. This old barn was probably a block away from the house, and it was never used for nothing. And another thing I wanted to tell you, this Roy that I was telling you about,

he was always looking for it. And he ran across this old barn and corn cribs, what it was. And it hadn't been used for probably 60, 70 years. And he found some hair. Well, he took the hair and put it in his pocket. And took it up there, and they sent it off, and they said they had never seen any hair like that anywhere. And the plaster cast, he took.

took of the footprint of the thing right out in front of my house. When he got it back, it was broke all the pieces. It's like they didn't want to know, nobody to know what it was. But I know we had a little pony from my littlest child, and it killed that. How did it kill the pony? Eat its insides out. It seemed like that's what they wanted, the insides and the eyeballs. the police and obviously you kind of already brought this up that they were threatening to sue

but they would not respond to any calls from your house at one point they refused to come out that's exactly right they wouldn't even come out there and look that we was crazy thinking back i could have sued them sheriff and everything because i'm telling you what's the truth our lives was in danger and they just wouldn't they wouldn't even come out of out there. They said, oh, it's just a bear. But hell, a bear can kill you the same as anything else. Right. They should have done something about a bear if they thought that's what it was. They're scared. That's what it was because we got a bunch of cowards here for cops. That's the truth. This is the ass end of nowhere. I know you're going to have to knock some of

this off, but it is ass and of nowhere. I hate this place I want to ask you a quick question Rosalina I'll pass it off to Will when you I'm trying to get to the mindset of and I completely understand of wanting to pop off shots

of this thing was it at the point to where was it your son and your husband and everyone that got up on the roof to pop off shots or who actually got up there to shoot at it okay there was my brother-in-law

my son my husband, my nephew. Okay. And I know when I talked to one of your sons the other day, Barton, I know he's completely terrified of this thing and even recounting half the stories that went on there. I know he's completely terrified talking about it, which I understand. But I wanted to ask you, when, how did it get to the point?

Was this thing just coming around all the time and you feeling threatened to the point to where everyone decided. It must have been hanging around for a long time because, like I said, I heard them limbs are breaking and that hunter seen it run between them trees. But the only time I've seen it was when it was standing under that light. Right. My question, though, is at the point to where everyone decides, hey, let's get up on the roof with guns and let's just pick this thing off,

had this been going on for a long time to where you guys felt really threatened by this thing coming around to where you decided? They only got up on the roof one time but they knew it was coming around because, you know, you could see prints of him and he had a terrible ogre to him.

You could smell him like something dead or something. So this was sort of a last, recourse. You know, they were fed up with this thing coming around and doing whatever it was doing. Yeah, we tried to, but I don't think you can kill them. Honestly, God, don't. They all had shotguns and sat up there, and they'd seen that thing run by that barn. They all opened fire, and it jumped right across that fence, just like nothing ever happened. Yeah, these things are very difficult to kill, especially with something like a

shotgun. We had a former Special Forces Sergeant on the show recently, and he talked about the Army Special Forces teams, occasionally going out to kill one of these things. And it takes them no less than 12 men in a unit to do that, and a lot of firepower. You have very difficult to kill. Why hasn't somebody killed one? Well, according to him, the military has. How come the military is keeping it such a secret? That's what I don't understand because there's millions of lives at stake that them things could be.

That's a very good question. We don't have the answer to that just yet. Well, you look into that and find out and then call me. We sure will. I would like to know why they're keeping it such a secret. Yeah, Rosalie, I wanted to ask you, and I've seen video of your guys' general area. I know it was up on YouTube, and it looks. very remote. I wanted to ask you, has any people come up missing in your area?

There's always girls missing around in here, young girls, and they just found one dead today, but she wasn't mutilated or nothing. But there's always kids missing, not Aaron Henderson, but in the general vicinity of it. And they generally don't find. them. So I don't know. Sometimes they find one dead, sometimes, but most of the time they don't find them. Because they're usually, they're usually littler children, you know. It's a mess. If I ever see one walk through this street here, I'll tell you one thing, it's going to be four doors in this house. I'm warm with every way he ain't. I don't blame you.

Couldn't blame you there. Well, you said you've seen one or two. Right. You know what they look like. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And they're weird looking. Yeah, they are weird looking.

That's true. But anyway, I've enjoyed talking to you, honey. If I can help you anyway, well, give me a number. Well, we sure appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you, Rosalie. Well, you're more than welcome, honey. and I talk at you later.

If I think of anything else, I'll give you a buzz. All right, Ms. Rosalie. Thank you for your time. You're welcome, honey. Bye-bye. It was interesting. I think that when all the men were shooting at the thing from the roof of a shotguns, well, you know, depending on what type of round they're using, and it doesn't, a shotgun.

You're going to miss, right? Yeah, yeah, right. The shotgun pellets don't go out very far. I mean, they start dispersing very quickly. So even if a few hit it, well, you know, chances of doing any real damage are pretty much slim to then. Yeah, she said that barn was supposed to block away. So, I mean, it being a block away, if I fire a shot can tell it right here, I guarantee maybe one. Yeah, I'm probably not going to hit anything.

And I think it was so long ago. Like, I had printed off the story and was highlighting a bunch of stuff. And I think that she's just forgotten so much. It's been so long. say I had a little list of, you know, because in the story, they listed like 200 chickens had been killed, one goat, one horse, and then the boys had found like eight dogs that were, in fact, inveterated like she was mentioning the pig and the pony was. But, you know, it was so long ago that maybe Bartonville will remember some of his story.

I think what's important to remember to you probably is it depends on each person who was involved in their perspective because not everybody was going to have the same the same, you know, seeing and hear the same things going on. So maybe because of age or by choice or she just wasn't involved in some of these events.

And she could be that because some of that was so horrific, especially the animal killings, things like that, that maybe she, you know, her mind has chosen to sort of block those out. I know when I talked to Barton, Barton had talked about these chickens. I think

he had said over 200 chickens were killed, a bunches of his dogs were killed. He said it pretty much slaughtered all their animals. And I know he's going to be coming on around the first to talk about his encounter. And I know it's so long ago for Ms. Rosalie, but I know Barton had really gone into details about all these different animals being killed and the family feeling really threatened every time this thing came around. One of the things Barton said is that every time this thing came around,

it was a very intimidating presence. It wasn't like peeking around a tree. It wasn't, you know, wonderful. Like the experience of you and Woody had. That's exactly how Martin. Demonstrating right up to your face, basically. And that's what Barton had said this thing. It would come up right to the house,

right up a few feet from the house, and just kind of stand there. And every time the little kids, one thing that was kind of crazy is when he was talking about the little kids being outside, he said that the creature was drawn to the little kids being outside. That would kind of draw the creature in. Well, and certainly, I talked to people, you know, of course, behind the scenes, you know, long term,

with some of the law enforcement folks and things we've talked to before in military and hunters and et cetera. And a lot of people talk about how when these things possibly, number one, if they're not from that area, let's say, if they're, and I'll give you an example, and then Wes, I told Wes about this before we get on the phone. There's a situation that's just starting with a lady and her, I believe it's her son, where this thing just all of a sudden they showed up in the back of their property, animals have come up missing, and they think it's looking in the windows, and it's going on with the neighbors, and so these events are starting to ramp up. Because there was nothing there previously, you know, my suggestion,

was that it's either a rogue or had challenged, was expelled from the group, or it was an older who was by a younger, stronger one. So some of these animals, I think, occasionally, we'll start going after, you know, domestic animals and even kids as they can get them, you know, because they're going to be hurt for food, basically. And, you know, we know cougars do that when they get old, that's one of the times they will attack humans, is because, you know, we're a little slower and it's easier for them to catch.

easy pickings exactly so I mean that may be you know what was going on or does happen in some of these circumstances where especially little kids attract them in

I can't wait to talk to Barton because when he talked about this thing coming in all the time and being really attracted to the kids it'd be nice to get his perspective on I kind of and it was hard to get that out of Rosley but I kind of think that's why they got on the roof

and started popping off shots you know, kind of created an ambush. Yeah. That's a pretty extreme measure at that point. Bless her heart, though. I mean, it seemed like maybe once some of us would ask a question, it would kind of jog her memory a little bit. Right, right.

That whole part with the burn in the house down thing, when I read that, I was like, oh, boy, I don't know if I should bring that up, but I'll give it a shot, you know. I was long. I mean, if you're willing to burn your home and your family up rather than be caught by these things, that sort of gives you a window into the character what was happening. There must have been really violent behaviors by this thing to warrant that kind of thinking.

Is that what they were saying? Is that what he was saying? He was going to burn the house down? Yeah, it says here he would rather burn them inside rather than losing one or more of them to the creature and trying to live with a loss. They should all die and go to heaven together and all the children agreed with both parents. parents that they should do this. Wow. Jesus.

That whatever this thing was doing over the time frame that it was there, put them in the frame of mind where they felt that's what they needed to do. So those behaviors must have really, really been, you know, horrible to deal with. Yeah, I think she was being pretty conservative. I think it'll be really great to get Barton on the line because it was going on for, it sounds like about 11 months. But, you know, I didn't want to, you never want to act like you're correcting someone on their own story.

So from the story, it looks like about a year. So that would be a lot to deal with every day for a year and thinking they're going to snatch your kids and stuff. That's awful. I got an audio file for you guys to listen to. This is from Michigan. And I wanted to get your guys as input on this. So within the first 10 seconds, you'll hear this roar.

But listen to the whole audio file. Tell me what you think. But within that first 10 seconds, listen for the roar. That's similar to the roar we heard, And, God, I remember what year was, like, 2,000, 4 or 5 up on the Olympic Peninsula. There were a few of us up camping up there on the Cornwall River. And after dinner, right at dusk, we decided to go for a walk.

Up the road toward a ranger station and back, and we were maybe 100 yards from the campground. And there was only like seven campsites in the campgrounds. And this big ridge that divided the two upper forks of the Cornalte River, and something was just a couple hundred yards above us and let out a fricking roar like that. I mean, it was loud. We could hear people whispering everywhere.

What was that? What was that? What was that? You know, it was wild. I had my recorder in my pocket, but only screamed once. You're like, why don't you do it one more time? That scream? I've never really heard.

I know. I'm pulling out of my pocket. I'm ready to hit the record button of a sudden because I never did it again. It was probably after giving me thinking of knowing that I was down there. Right? He's like, I see what you have there. It's like, you know, when you, West has talked about how loud, you know, the roar they heard was.

And they were closer, but this thing was just, and it was just, I mean, it's probably the loudest one I've ever heard. It looks like our second guest just called in Will. This is James, everyone. And he had kind of a terrifying encounter. I'll let you take it away, Will, and interview James, our second guest served this evening. Hi, James. How are you doing today? Good.

Good yourself. I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Well, what I like to do to find out, basically, prior to the incident you had, what did you know about the subject of Sasquatch? Growing up, I was always told it's, you know, somebody in a monkey suit. Okay. And then as I got older, sort of watching, you know, like Wild America, with Marty Stalfour and, you know, some national geographic. And, you know, then, you know, I've always been open-minded.

and, you know, I knew, well, maybe there's a possibility, you know. If I might ask, what part of the country did this happen in? The Adirondacks in New York State. And how long ago was it? September, I believe, 94. It was beginning of archery season. Okay. Walk us through the situation.

Tell us what you were doing that day that led up to the events and then take us through the account. Prior to actually getting time into hunt, you know, we started like a hunting club for the guys that work with the fire department and my dad, and we built a small cabin, so, you know, it would withstand, you know, good weather. That being said, I remember on one of the shows, I forgot, Marty Stouf or something, they said something about this really big bear in the area. and I remember them saying that hunters would look at the top of trees and see trees swaying, and that's how either bears are scratching or digging it for grubs or whatever, and I've seen this actually happened. So, you know, I started over slowly, you know, down the trail, and it's thick. You know, it's a lot of leaves on the ground already, and it's a lot of trees around.

in general, there's not too many open sites on trails. You know, there's always something that's always going to get in your way. So I make my way in that direction, and I pretty much get to where it is, and I'm looking around, and I don't see no claw marks or anything up in the tree or droppings around the tree, and I go a little further, you know, to the right and then to the left to see if maybe I had the wrong tree, and there was nothing. and so I looked around to see if there's any deer activity. It was a couple of rubs, you know, closer to the ground on some birch.

And then it started getting, you know, dark up there. Once the sun starts going down, you've got like 10 minutes and it's gone. I start heading back. So I figured I have maybe 20 minutes to get back to camp. So I'm walking, looking around. You know, I hear, you know, some movement here and there. So I figured maybe deer and... Of course, field mice and rabbits always sound like there's a herd of elephants coming through the forest.

So I'm looking down to see if I could see any more tracks on the way back. And all of a sudden, it's like I get to this one point, and I just happen to look up and I freeze. And his dude, he was pretty big. I mean, I'm 6'3. Basically, I was standing nose-to-nipple with the word. There was enough space where I couldn't touch him, but if he was to put out his hand and grab me, that could have been easy done.

Like, even, I would say if he were to put out his hand, right there the joint of the elbow would be where my body is trees, and he would be able to wrap his arm around. Basically, I'd panic them. I yelled and he let out some type of, like, gr-hr in all reality, I actually shit my pants. That would do it. That would do it.

And I just froze there. My eyes closed, you know, after the, after because when he growled, it wasn't really a roar. It was just like a growl, like, you know, like a dog or something would do to warn you. Sure. and that thing like shook my inside. What did you after that? I mean, obviously you were probably paralyzed with fear.

Yeah, after I, you know, spoke to God for a good number of minutes. I, you know, I didn't hear nothing, you know. So I just opened my eyes and there's nothing and I'm trembling. And I just made a bee line back to the camp. And my dad, they goes, what took you so long? I said, well, you hear all that commotion? He goes, what is it, bears over there? I said, no, I said, I'll let you know.

Let me go change my pants. So, and he's like, ah, no, it was probably just a bear stood up and, you know, came out from behind the tree. I said, well, if it was, I said it was pretty big bear. But I know it wasn't a bear. I mean, you had, you could see. I mean, I was that close. his eyes

I would say like a a caramel color his eyes the white of his eyes wasn't really white more like kind of yellowish nose

nothing you know nothing too big but a wide nose but I wouldn't say flat there was a nose but it was just more white not as

punky as a regular guy we've had people describe it as like an Aboriginal an Australian aborigine nose yeah Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. That would probably hit it on the head. Because even African-American, I mean, I've worked with a few guys and I joke around with them. I said, I've seen something in the woods with a nose like yours. And it started laughing that it wasn't, you know, not even close. I was just joking with them.

Right, right. And I always would go up there, you know, ahead of time because working for the fire department, I only worked three days. and I would have four and five days off. So I would go up there ahead of time, make sure there's water for the camp, because there's no running water or anything. Basically, if you wanted to get there, you had to be going there. It's not something that you would pass all the time.

Right. And it's a pretty well-known site. It's Canada Lake, which is a body of water across the road in the opposite direction from where the camp was. and we would be at the base of Cain Mountain, which is the mountain that this property sits on. We were leased from Finch crying company. They're a paper company.

You know, we would lease the property. We had about 100 acres that we'd lease. You had a real under changing moment, underwear changing moment. Literally. Literally. I did. And I don't know if it was me that stunk or he stunk. Because I really didn't smell.

and the wind was blowing I didn't mean to laugh at least I'm over it I mean it's been 20-something years you know we're going to have to send you one of the first T-shirts we make this thing underwear changing moment

yeah because I actually did I really let loose so it was an eye open it and then from then on you know I had the curiosity and I really want to know what that was And I know for a fact, that wasn't nobody in a monkey suit.

That wasn't a bear or nothing. That was a big dude. He had patches of skin through the hair on his face that you can see. You know, it's just so many things. And when he growled, the last thing I remember is when he growled, like opening his mouth, like quenching his teeth. And that's when I close my eyes and shit myself. Yeah, I can well imagine.

Good Lord. Prior to all this, and now that, you know, I've seen a few shows, you know, on TV about wood knocking and and whops and screeching and stuff like that. And we've heard that.

And I thought it was just a pack of tiles because there's a lot of tiles up there. So I really didn't know that they actually made noise, you know, and have calls like that, you know. Right. So now, as I sit back now and see what they show on TV, you know, I'm starting to put, you know, two with three and four with eight and coming up with, you know, one universal thing. And to me, it's very interesting. I feel I'm very lucky.

I mean, I'm pretty sure if he was having a bad day, he could have just snapped me in half. Oh, yeah, no doubt. Yeah, because, I mean, I stand six three and about three. 302 pounds when I was in shape working for the fire department. Now everything that was up on my chest and shoulders and everything fell to my belly since I'm retired. Hey James, I wanted to ask you, how did your dad respond? I mean, how does your family respond now when you recount the story? Well, my dad, he would joke around and be a ballbuster.

but, you know, he has said that he has seen things, you know, but he didn't want to say anything. And I'm pretty sure he has because we've heard, you know, like limbs breaking and stuff like this. And these were all very mature trees, you know, not those saplings and stuff where we were. And those how, not even him now, he used to want to turn me on to that finder, big for that, you know, the cartoon there, the joke. Because if they really ever came face to face with one, I don't think they'd be fucking around like they are. Yeah, I tend to agree with you.

Well, James, I appreciate you sharing your encounter, man. I really appreciate coming on and sharing the encounter. Yeah, thanks for letting me vent and finally get, you know, able to talk to somebody who actually fully understand. And if I'm listening to the show, these guys all had, you know, a moment like mine, whether you admit you shit yourself or not, I did. So, but, you know, it's totally different when you speak with somebody who actually got that close,

you know, and is in a situation like that then, oh, I've seen him run across the woods. So, you know, I've seen him, but he was a hundred and something put away. Yeah, it's not quite the same. Big difference. Like from listening to his show, I know Will had two of them on them. You and Woody got surrounded. And I just happened to come by your show accidentally, but it's really interesting. Now, I appreciate that.

Do you have time to hang on for about three minutes, and I'm going to play a audio file? Sure, no problem. Of a vocization. So this is in August of 2011. I was telling Will about this audio file before the show started. This is in central Michigan, and these people have Sasquatch out on their property. When you listen to the recording,

you'll hear something off in the distance, and then you'll hear the people. And they start doing this mimic back and forth. The people make a sound, and the Sasquatch mimics the same sound that they have. Except for towards the end, it really ramps up, and you can tell there's more, more than one Sasquatch and the vocalizations kind of become a little bit aggressive,

in my opinion. But take a listen. Tell me what you guys think. Sure. We're getting real there at the end. Yeah. Would you guys? For me at that time because I knew that wasn't anything but very possibly Sasquatch doing that.

It does sound like you're walking on a road and, you know, birds and squirrels chattering and whistling back and forth. Right. And then they start getting more progressive. higher and you're like, uh-huh. Yeah, it's very different after, towards the end there. You know, when I first heard it, I thought the same thing as, as you were saying, Will, it could be a person off in the distance,

just kind of mimicking what you hear is up close by the recorder. But towards the end, I've heard that scream before. That banshee scream. Yeah, yeah, I have too. And it's nothing like anything else out there. It didn't be hard for a person. to memory, you know, a person to fake that. It would be very difficult, I think.

Like I was saying, you know, now that I've heard, you know, these sounds and stuff, it was about six months prior to what I encountered in Adirondike that we heard that coming from, like, up towards, because they have a fire tower and, I guess, a ranger emergency cabin up on top of Canaan, mountain from up there, which is such a height. But, yeah, it was about probably, you know, five or six months prior to what I encountered, there were streams like that going on for about three nights and we just didn't know what it was.

We figured maybe Kyos were killing something. Well, we appreciate you coming on, James. Appreciate you sharing your encounter. Sure do. I appreciate it. you guys also. Like I said, we were playing an email tag there for a while. So I figured I'd get back to you. Until next time, everyone, have a great night.

Cryptic messages. I've got this guy now and he says, and he says, I have reports I wish to make, but I don't want to make it on your show. I will only make this report over the phone and I will not reveal my identity. If my request is not acceptable, then so be it. I sent the guy, you know, a message back saying, yeah, that's cool, you know, haven't heard a word from me. Weird messages, some of these people. I've got, you know what?

I've gotten like three of those, will, in the last week where people say, hey, I have information, but I'm not going to say it on the air. And it's always some random emails for us. But then they don't really. But then you can never get a hold of them? No, there's a lot of them. They take a long time sometimes before they'll come back. Oh.

To you guys, does that add credit? if, you know, they put it like that, and then they don't jump right back and say, oh, yeah, great. When can we schedule it? Like, is that good to you guys? Or does that seem kind of worse? No, I think they're legit. Like this guy, this guy has been really good at concealing his identity and everything.

And he says he works for the government. He says, I've had a couple of sightings of this creature and a lot of growls and howls from them at my campground that I go through every weekend in the summer. but one of them might think this did the scariest near this night encounter I had it was about reading that there

or it must be 12 at 12th so at night that was the lake at my campground and joined with them field in the night's guy was just taking a break from the band that I was playing that night

or that was playing that night they were standing with me up the lake on a rock about the size of an iPhone charger hit me on the back of my shoulder then a big deep grawl came from behind me and it was almost sounded as a subwoofer playing behind me

behind me. As they turned to see the creature, it was turning and running away. The stomp so the creature made it almost sounds like the person was dropping bags of sand on the ground. I, of course, being scared, ran of the camper and fear. Did not come out until, anyway, it's basically what he says, tried to get him to tell more, and he says things like, he just says, well, you know, we were talking, I was talking back and forth about, you know, telling more of his story, maybe coming on the show, and he says, you know, the government takes you in, takes care of you, feed you well. At least that's

what they said. I can't tell you why not, but I can't say that. So he certainly tells me these cryptic things. Now he's getting ready to come out again. He sent me maybe I don't know. I think someone's almost scruered

with us because I've had that same message now three times where it's the same type of thing where they say the government takes you in, they feed you, they clothe you, they pay you. One guy's said that I wonder if

this information. I don't know. One guy said that as far as killing the creatures he said he's been out and he's actually been on four different

missions where they've gone out and slaughtered them and they had to because they were eating kids and there was people coming up missing. And then as far as

like he'd flat out say he's not going to come on the show if he wanted to share this information and then I would email him and it would take him like a month from

or email back. Right. And it was some random email address. I know it wasn't his email address. It was some random way. It was weird. This guy saying I had come in contact. His last email was September 8th.

He said I'd come in contact with some government officials. And they've agreed to let my story onto any website you wish, as long as my name, email, and any other contact information is kept secret. And he hasn't responded back yet. But this guy only responds back like every, like you said, about once a month maybe. I have to wonder, you know, is it legitimate? Is it somebody, you know, some kind of part of a disinformation campaign? You're either trying to lead us down, you know, one trail to take our focus off, you know,

what people like Mr. Black and someone who say were right square on the money. Yeah, I don't know. I've been getting a lot of those lately a lot and I don't know what to think of them. One guy said we're right on with the information we're putting out there with special forces showing up, killing them that he was part of it, but he's not going to come on the air, and he just enjoys the show, and don't contact him, and blah, blah, blah. And then, like,

Tui Slater, I got another email from the exact same guy, and he's like, hey, so-and-so was wrong when they said that, whatever, on the air. He's like, this is what they look like, this is what they do, this is how they act. I was just like, why send me these random cryptic messages?

Right, same here. Like, that is so weird. In the second email, he says, the government has been on my back, and the NSA about an incident that happened back in 2007 that I am now informed, can't tell you about, I'm sorry, and I didn't hear from this guy

for like the longest time. I think for the first time, out of all the podcasts and all the shows that people have been talking about Bigfoot, I think for the first time over the airwaves, we've actually heard

what is really going on on the government side with these things. and it's actually finally come out. No one's had any stories like that on about helicopters and, you know, shooting from... People are freaking out about that. They're like, oh, my God, who came out and actually told that finally? And it's been ramping up. You guys are more weird, cryptic messages from people.

Oh, yeah. A lot. And, you know, our buddy, Mr. Black, he said that more of this kind of stuff was going to start coming out now. We predicted this to begin with when we first are in being in contact. interesting stuff. Absolutely, it is. Sports betting is sweeping across the country faster than the coronavirus

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