Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:53 Finding tracks and running into Sasquatch

Episode Date: October 6, 2014

We talk to several witness but our first guest found tracks in the woods and saw the creature tracking them in the woods. Carla shares stories told to her by her mother and grand parents, including Sasquatch entering a cabin and destroying it. She also describes a Sasquatch attacking and throwing the family dog. We also speak to a Roger from Texas who came face to face with Sasquatch. He goes into a very detailed description of what he saw. 

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. Madone, what are you reporting? What he out here?

What's going on now, sir? That's sort of a bitch is about 6'4'9. I don't guess I'm looking right in. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Radio. Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. Did you guys see, I know Shannon and I were just talking about it, Will, did you see the human bait in the newspaper? I didn't see in the newspaper, but I saw it online. Yeah, it's pretty hilarious. It says human bait needed volunteer position for a Bigfoot research project this fall in Texas.

Safety not guaranteed, must have strong work ethic, and some camping skills. Reward is fame. Yeah, but you might lose your life. Yeah, fame until you're eaten. You know, people come up with some of the most foolish things in this business. It's no wonder nobody takes the subject seriously. Did you, I know we've been getting a lot of responses for the Spotsville Monster, the part two. I have been in contact with Rosalie's son

and he's still, he's kind of in the process of moving at the moment, but we're going to have him on the show in the future to discuss part two of the Spotsville Monster, so everyone hold tight for that. Did you guys see the, I know we talked about it, did you guys see the Bigfoot watching train statue that was created by the creator of Rick Dyer's Hank Prop, the fake Bigfoot.

Yeah. Now, we know for sure this guy who created us says that he did create Hank. Yeah, his name's Chris Russell. He's a guy that did the creation of the Rick Dyer Hank prop.

And, you know, it's like I was telling you guys, I don't know if this guy has a job or what, but he sure has time to create Bigfoot statues and then put them up. I remember when I first, saw the picture probably about two weeks ago. Might have been three weeks ago.

It reminded me of the Harry and the Henderson's Bigfoot. It kind of looked like that. That's going to throw a wrench in Dyer's February release of the autopsy on Hink. Yep, the big results are supposed to come out, right? That's what it says, yeah. Yeah, well, he's found Jesus. He's got other things going on right now. He doesn't fake Bigfoot suits anymore.

or any of Bigfoot bodies? He's at church finding Jesus. Yeah, it's not that people don't believe in Bigfoot anymore, that people don't believe in Dyer anymore, finally, hopefully. Let's hope Dyer doesn't hoax Jesus. Hello, a whole other horde of fans coming after him, you know? Well, the ramifications for Mr. Dyer might not be so good in the afterlife. Right.

Really playing a fire there You know there's a cool new movie coming out Called Exist And I was going to play a clip of it The problem with playing a clip of this movie Is it doesn't work In the audio format The podcast format of her show

Because it just sounds like A bunch of scary music And a bunch of scary sounds And you don't really get a feel For what's going on Unless you're watching it But it's the same guy That created the Blair Witch project

It looks good I mean, it's your, kind of looks like your typical scary Bigfoot film. Yeah, I saw some of the special effects for it. It's going to be entertaining. It's sort of in the vein of what Justin Steeley was, what he produced. Yeah, it's kind of... You know, it's funny. Instead of watching something like that,

and I know we've talked about this on our behind the scenes, the video I posted it up on our Facebook fan page, but, you know, when it's more of the real stuff, It's really, really interesting. There's this documentary I'm going to post up on our Facebook fan page. It's on the trail of Bigfoot. It's a 2002 documentary. It has people come on, talk about their encounters.

They talk about this creature if it exists or if it doesn't exist. And they bring different people on. But different people talk about their encounters. I find that way more fascinating than sitting down watching like a movie exists. probably one of the first films, you know, The Legend of Boggy Creek, the old one. And what was fascinating to me, you know, the teenager when I saw that was it was a lot of times the actual people who had the encounters were doing the reenactments. And to me, that just kind of put me on the edge of my seed watching it. Yeah, I think if it's based on a true story or it's based in reality, it's more fascinating than like a movie exists.

Even though it looks good, I think it'd be fun to go watch it. I'll probably go watch it. but I think something more based on reality or based on a true story of events, like with the Legend of Bockey Creek, I think it's more fascinating than made-up filmmaker, you know, Hollywood filmmaking. Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah, and if you get the people in the location of their sighting, I'm sure that just brings all the memories rushing right back.

I don't care if it was probably 30 years ago. I can definitely tell the difference. Yeah, the only other thing is, thing I want to talk to you guys about before we bring the guest on was Dr. Anna Nicaris. She's a director at Oxford University. And she's the one that actually discovered the slow Loris, the primate. And it's a primate that's found in southern Asia. I know we're trying to coordinate getting her on the show, being that she's in a different

country and different time zones and everything. but she said she loved to come on the show and talk about Sasquatch, talk about the slow lores. Did you guys know this is a poisonous primate? I heard that, yes. Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah, it's the only poisonous primate out there.

It has a venomous bite. And it can cause scarring. It can cause death due to shock. And it's kind of a creepy little thing. Hopefully I don't have a pandana, but it's kind of a creepy primate. It does look creepy, I agree. And now that we know it's venomous, it's even more creepy.

Yeah, I wonder why it would need to develop, you know, the ability to be venomous. Why wouldn't need a venomous bite to live there? That's very interesting. Yeah, it's a pretty tiny primate. It's pretty small. I wonder if that's kind of why it has a venomous bite. I wanted to welcome Carla to the show, and Carla had found tracks. She had seen the creature tracking her through the woods.

It sounded like a fascinating story, and I wanted to welcome. to go ahead and welcome rich of the show. Let's start off with what you know about the subject. I don't know. I just kind of looked at it maybe like a fairy tale. Because my mom had told me a couple stories and when I was younger and I kind of forgot about him. But I guess just more like a fairy, you know what I mean?

Just a fairy tale. Didn't really think much of it. The first one with me and my son was in 2009, which it wasn't, we didn't see, we just seen the trash. He seen him and he was like, got out. The ditches. I call, we call them ditches here. They run off into a river, but they're, like, the banks are like 15 foot high.

But the farmers around here pump them pools of water, you can fish in and stuff like that. And we, it was a, we were out there fishing. Oh, that's how you found the track. We found the track. He found the tracks, and he got scared. And I was like, I kind of thought when I seen, I mean, they did look like, I mean, they were a human.

I was thinking, well, could the sand have, you know, like kind of the weird thing about it? It was, I mean, it kind of looked like a human print with the toes. The toes all looked human, but kind of, kind of towards the middle, I guess. It kind of tapered down, like had this little bit of a line, not a distinct line, but then a heel print. Like, doing some research, I guess it would be what they called, like, maybe a mid-tarsal break. We don't have bear and stuff here. Like, there's, I mean, they're just deer, is pretty much the biggest animal we have. But I kind of, and we was trying to make the step, you know, from one to the other.

because there wasn't like walked right to this deep this big old pile of clams they were all cracked open and had been piled up there well coons can do that you know but I got creeped out and I just tried to act like I wasn't scared

and it just kind of got one to see how big this track darked out you know towards we were going to night fish it was towards the evening because we had to get up there set up and kind of get where we're going it wouldn't be like well let's just not you know we'll just not fish here but I tried to take pictures and I couldn't get

like if I, like, you just couldn't see. Like, the stink, like, if I put my finger in the sand, because it's the sand here, because of the, you normally have in water there, it's the sand holds prints really well. Like, you can see, like, even a raccoon track, you'll see, like, lines in the creases of the hands of the raccoon. You could see all that in that, in the, it took about, I'm 5'5. It took almost three pretty decent strides for me to go from track.

I didn't step in on my step next to them. and but anyways I just got a little creeped out and I just kind of told him I'm like oh just don't tell nobody about it don't tell them we found some weird ass tracks or anything I hear him like just keep your mouth shut about it just let it go and then that was in October 2009 never seen nothing out there never you know heard weird stuff but nothing that I couldn't say nothing too out of the ordinary

it's cooling down we go back walked about a mile further down than what we was and we was looking at deer tracks and things like that and raccoon tracks, and I was pointing out different types of tracks on some more, and these pools of water, because you can walk down this river, and there's just pools of water, so you're down in the river, and it's got about 15 foot on each side, and it's out in the middle of like woods and fields, and it's kind of, it's out in the middle of nowhere, basically. We called it our honey hole. We walk in, and he's like, Mom, there's some more of those tracks, and I look, and it's kind of the same thing.

Only this time it looked like there was, you could see, like, where it maybe had a crease. Only this time they kind of had a little bit of water. And, like, it was, even we would sink down and leave kind of pools of water. The prints, our footprint wouldn't sink very, pretty deep footprints. And maybe pretty, and that's what all around each pool of water come there to eat and drink. And a lot of, it's easy to fish, grab fish out because it's calling mudcats. They kind of get trapped in those little pools of water, and they can't go anywhere. So that's why we fish there, because we don't fish there to eat.

We don't fish. We don't eat them. We just throw them back in just to catch any kind of fish, really. And so I was like, well, that's kind of weird. I told my mom about it. And she was like, well, she's like, you remember the story that what happened to our neighbor, don't you? And I said, no. And she said, Flake can only be described as crazy. He went and got my grandpa, and they both went out to the, you know, where the hogs was by the barn. And they'd seen one had snatched a hog up underneath the farm. And it was a big hog. I was like, are you serious? You know, I just, I was like, I remember hearing that.

And I don't know. I said, I can't say these. I said, I don't know. I said, I don't know much about tracks. But it was enough that as big as they were, it was, that was scary to me because it was just me and my son. We didn't have no go. We just had fishing pole. And I kept trying to logically think, like, what could make a track that big?

And a human wouldn't be down in those spots on because going to a washer off or old tie. Find a piece of tin stick in that big. stuff kind of gets washed off in these ditches. Peripated, you just, that would be stupid. I mean, you'd step on something. Without a doubt, you would end up with a sliced foot or a rusty nail or something like that in her foot. So she had told me about that story, and that even kind of just made me think I was like, well, so I didn't think they would be around here.

And for some reason, when she told me that story, I thought that happened, the way she told me, I thought it happened when they lived in southern Illinois. But until here the other day, she told me, she's like, no, that was all here. year. She said just down on T highway, which is about driving, it's about 10 minutes from my house. And 10 minutes from that spot we were. And she said, no. And she said, that was, she said, the one that grabbed the hog was on T highway. And she said, now a lot of little towns, but they're more like villages because like

Fairdaling might have 100 people in it. And on T, the town by T highway has maybe 50 people in it on it. That's probably exaggerating. And the town I live in is got about four to six hundred people in it give or take he's basically scat rented there in fair dealing there was an old abandoned sawmill and she said they would always hear really like loud screams and things like that out there and it kind she said it just scared them and she said uh her brother and his family she had left and went grabbed it had to grab his wife and kids up because there was one messing with them at that house and she said the house was kind of in the middle of nowhere and there's old abandoned sawmill back there and she said it scared

And my uncle, he's a big guy. Like, he was, I didn't think anything, I don't see how anything would scare him. He just, he's just not the type of guy that gets scared. And he grabbed his wife and kids up and left. And she said that cabinets down. He actually went in the house. Yeah, she said, it destroyed. She said, old farmhouse and fix it up.

And she said, all they had on the front door, I mean, this is like, you know, in the 80s. It just had the screen. That's the only kind of door they had on the front of it. Look, almost basically a tent only made of wood, basically. she described it. She said it wasn't much, not really go out and camp there. And she said, he came back with his big guys. So, well, when he went and got my Uncle Richard, he laughed at him, you know, and he's like, you are out of your mind and was just kind of making fun of him. And he's like, oh, I'll go with you, a scaredy cat, and, you know, it's like, I'll go back there and big brother,

go scare it off. And, you know, he really just thought he was imagining, you know, or I don't know, maybe he thought it was soon and you just got all seven kids, you know, Rich went back to the house that happened at, and that's when they realized their thing was tore apart. And Eagle took off and went up and threw it. And a leg and fractional within a 10, 15-minute drive of where me and Max in 2009 in October, not the same day in October, and I couldn't even tell you what day in October it was. I just remember it was October because we was getting ready for Halloween. And 2010, we found tracks, and then 2011, we found track smaller set with the big ones.

But my foot, see, I wear a size 8, my foot was not nearly that wide. Like, I'd probably maybe stand foot to foot, and that'd be about the width. And then toe to toe still wouldn't be quite as big as that track. Creeped out by it, but I didn't, I don't guess I just really, I don't know, I just, I guess kind of talked myself out of what it could be. You know, I was like, there's no way that's what it is. They're not around here. That's ridiculous.

Like, they probably don't even exist. And I'm like, I just had this story people tell us what I kind of thought of it. And so I wanted to go hunting. And I said, well, we'll walk down there to the woods, and we can hunt right there. To take him out there, and we're getting all set up, and he's like, I don't want to be here. And he had been, I don't think he slept at length because he was so excited about going hunting. I kept telling him, you get sleep if you're going to hunt in the morning. He's like, I can't sleep.

I'm excited. And he was, you know, checking his backpack to see if he had his calls and his scent. And, you know, he was all up just, you got everything and just all kinds of excited. It was like, we get out there, and he's like, our. Are you kind of creeped out? And I'm like, no. And I said it just because it's still kind of dark. It ain't even daylight yet.

You're just, I said, you'll just get daylight and you'll be fine. And then we're sitting there, and I kept it sound like something was walking. Of course, we're thinking, dear. And I'm like, you know, quietly tell them not be quiet and just breathe and relax and don't just shoot. You know, and I'm giving them all these pointers. I'm like, it's not close enough, but it sounds like it's coming this way. Trying to be quiet. And he kind of just put breathing.

been and I thought he just, I thought he's seen the deer. And I'm like, you know, he has one in his sights. And I'm like, it's okay. I'm like, where's that? And he's like, he just, I mean, he had no color to him. Answer me. I mean, he just froze and I'm just, and I'm kind of like looking around and I'm thinking he's got maybe some buck fever going on and he's just, don't say anything, and he just points. And I could just see this black outline. And I'm looking, what is that? It's a tree. I mean, how come I didn't notice the shape of that tree? That looks weird. Now I'm getting creeped out, and I'm looking, and I'm like, there's no movement,

and I'm kind of getting nervous, and I'm shaking, and I get the flashlight, and I'm an idiot. I don't know. I just, your LED maglight thing, it's not a spotlight. It's not much of any flashlight at all. I just pretty much enough if we could walk out there is all I was thinking of taking because I knew it was going to be getting daylight soon. So I didn't take no great big flashlight where I could see real great

and I'm trying to get the flashlight on and I'm looking down there and the flashlight won't quite make it to where it. And I'm like, just calm down and I'm like, what are you seeing? He's like, there's something big is it. And I'm like to make sure we're not, if any points right at where I was looking at. And I'm like, I said, what does it look like? And he said, it looks like a monster. So Brian, there's no monsters. Just calm down.

There's no monsters. And he's like, mom, I want to go. Please take me home. and he's like, take the gun, take the gun, shoot at it, shoot at it. And I'm like, Brian, I'm not shooting it. I said, I can't even see what it is. I said, just calm down. I said, it's probably just a tree.

Sometimes your brain makes you think you see stuff. I actually see shapes. Calm down. I'm sitting here talking to him and kind of trying to calm him down and get my stuff together a little bit and figure out what to do. And I look again and it looks like, look in the bag for a deer call. Let's make sure it's not a deer, you know. He's like, mom, it's not a deer. I want to go.

And I'm like, trying to get him where he won't look down that. I keep looking, and it's, every time I would look, it would still the tree. I had to start trying to get our stuff together, because at this point, I'm ready to go. I'm trying to get his dear call and make sure the gun's not going to go off going down the tree stand because we're both shaking, be more scared. And I look, and it's a little bit closer. But then every time I would look that way, it would stop moving. And all I could see was, I wouldn't, I mean, I wouldn't say a human shape because it was,

Like looking at the trees and I'm trying to judge, and I kind of picked out, like, kind of tree, you know, I don't know, I'm good with, I'm bad with directions, but I'm good with landmarks. And, like, if I'm going through the woods, I kind of pick out landmarks like that. So I'm trying to picture how big is that tree and think about how far that would be. And he's, of course, you know, completely panicking. And I'm thinking, that's, I know that, I know that's, that's something very tall. and I'm running through my mind trying to think, okay, like, or something, panicking. And I'm like, I said, does that look like it's getting closer?

And I said, don't freak out. I'm like, because it's not that close, but does it look like it's cool? And he's like, yes. And he's like, I think it's getting closer. Well, we could hear something to our, you know, like real head and maybe a snap. And he's like, that's, whatever that is is close, I've got to be a deer. And he said, mom, if there's no deer, if whatever that is, there's not going to be a deer. walking up to that thing. Probably nothing,

and so walking back, I kind of, you know, I'm turning around and kind of glancing back, and I'm telling him, just walk to the car. Don't look. Just walk to the car. And the figure, I'm kind of keeping my eye on it the best I can, and it completely sidesteped. We walked down by the river.

The other bank, and it's now on the other side, which is the opposite. And at that point, I pretty much was just like, I just told my son to run. We left for his money. Pretty much everything he bought, everything but the gun, and we And we don't go. We went fishing there, but kind of getting too cold to sit.

We've done this, like, 10, or 2011. Now we've drove out there, but we don't go to those woods, and we don't fish there no more. And now they've dug it that's got water. It's like, well, why don't you try going back out there around October and just seen if you see tracks again? But you can't because it's, I mean, I guess you could maybe on each side of it, but not like walking down the river you could, like the river bed. You can't walk down that no more. It's all dug out and water flows there all the time now.

Do you know if anybody else in the towns there have talked about seeing anything around there? Some of the older people have, but nobody that, like, nobody that I, like, necessarily, I mean, I've talked to people that's talked about it. It's kind of the same thing. I just always thought it was, you know what I mean? Nothing I ever thought, well, you know, that's definitely happened. Or, you know, and I mean, it was just like they would, like I've had O.E. People tell me, you know, don't go out. You don't need to go out in the woods out here, you know, because I'm, you know, being a girl.

And at the time, I was a single mom, but I tried to do stuff with my son that a dad would do. You know, I didn't want him to kind of miss out on that kind of stuff, so like hunting and fishing. And so I kind of taught myself to hunt and try to do boy things with him. And they would, you know, I would ask some people around here that know a lot about the area. I'm like, well, you know, can you hunt out here? Can you, is there any, you know, we're some good fishing, hold. You don't need to go. traipsing off through there. They'd be like, you know, you'll be taking my kid out there and fish

really didn't think. I thought, I mean, I didn't necessarily think that there's no possible way they could exist. I just, they wouldn't be around here. Now they're supposed to be bringing the black, trying to like, reiterate the black bear, they're bringing some here and trying to get a breeding population here. But this is what I heard. I've never even seen one. That could be just a rumor. I've heard older people saying that they're bringing the black bear back. Because they said they had got, you know, I guess they had been pretty well killed out or white doubt or a long time ago, long before my time. And we just never, I think, have anything big here.

Carla, how old was your son when this happened, when he saw this? He's, well, he'll be 14 this December. So he's been nine years old, and then, of course, three years in a row. Well, now the hunting incident, but the first time we've seen the tracks, he would have been nine. But he hasn't gone back out since, even to go fishing? No. And he, the only place he will fish.

Now, this kid, he has ADHD, and fishing was the one thing that he could do and be, I mean, he could fish for hours and never move a muscle, never say. Only place he'll fish is pot with some peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and just walk down, you know, rivers or ditches and just, I mean, because I didn't really know of a whole lot of fishing holes. We just kind of do it like an exploring thing. That's why a lot of it will be done in, like, October, because we have, people don't go out really in the woods, here in the summer months because you'll get eaten alive by ticks and mosquitoes because we have a lot of rice fields here so mosquitoes are horrible so a lot you know in the summertime we didn't go necessarily traipsing off through the woods but when it started getting cool and the mosquitoes whatnot you wouldn't get ate up by tick and just we'd go find a fishing hole and that's why we called

that one our honey hole because he always like no matter when we went there he would catch something there so we called that and we didn't never tell nobody about our little spot because we didn't want other people going he's like I don't want nobody else going there they'll catch all our fish. And that was just kind of mine and his time to just go do stuff. So we'd throw on a backpack and just walk these rivers and find little spots that nobody else went to. And before you guys decided to finally head for the car, you know, at its closest point, can you guess about how far that was from you guys? I'm terrible. It was, I don't even know how far. I really honestly couldn't tell you.

Other than when I first seen it, it just, I mean, I couldn't see any. It was just enough I could kind of just see an outline. You know what I mean? Like I couldn't tell. That's why at first I thought it was a tree and that I hadn't noticed and my mind might have been morphing it into a shape or, you know. How about it? Carly.

You know how many, how many names be? I have an envoy. So probably, let me think of this. Maybe six, seven. I mean, it's, it was boggy, you know. Probably less than a hundred. And that's why I kept thinking, I just kept thinking it's a tree. It's a tree.

tree. Why is it like it just kept being more like clear? Yeah, it's crazy. There's very few stories that creep me out, but that one creeps me out, Carla. I don't blame your son for not wanting to go fishing anymore. Yeah. Now, if there's a guy with this,

you know, I guess maybe he feels a little more protected completely. I was sure he could hear in my voice. You know what I mean? I mean, I was visibly shaking and I'm because I'm just thinking and how am I, like, what am I going to do? It's just me and him.

Nobody knows where we're at. I'm like, you know, I just don't know what to do. I'm not going to shoot at it because it's huge the hell to do right now. And so I'm thinking, you know, what's going through my mind is great. You know, I've really messed up. We're both going to get killed and nobody's going to know where we're at. And my mind is, you know, what have I done with me? You know, I've really messed up here.

You know, I just didn't think to tell anybody exactly where we was going to be hunting at. I was kind of dumb about it, you know, but I was just trying to buy a full week for deer season. Your season's a big deal around here. A full week. You know, when you left the area, that was the right thing. That's why we just don't go back there. I'm like, and I've, you know, I've had people back, like, my husband, he's like, well, we can go out there. I'm like, no.

I'm like, I said, you're going to, I said, I'm not going back out there. And I was like, I don't think you can understand. And I didn't tell him about it until actually I talked to you guys because I thought, I'm like, he's going to hear me talking and be like, what the hell are you talking about? Because I didn't want people to be like, that's what, I mean, especially in a small town, but, and I don't know, being female, I don't want people be like, well, it could have been a raccoon track. You know, I mean, just something stupid. And I'm like, because the only person washed out made it shape like a front print.

I'm like, well, why would it do it? Like, I said, I'm not going to lie. That went through my mind. It must be shaped like that. I said, but what's the odd in that shape? Just do that every so often. And I said, because I honestly thought about it. I said, if I'd just seen that one, I would have thought that exact same thing.

And washed out or something had stepped there and it kind of made that print. You know, that's what I. but not just step, step, step, and from the little water puddles. Yeah. And the pile of clams. I mean, it was clearly just a look like something had to sit there, cracked them open, and ate them. It was just piled up. Yeah, there's so many particulars of your story, Carla, that ream true as far as even the stuff your mom was talking about.

Yeah. You know, the dwelling that was tore apart reminded me of a cowman story. That was very, very similar to that event. Well, that's what, when I heard that story, because I hadn't, she hadn't told me until, like I said here recently, when I was talking to her about it. And, I mean, I had heard it, I guess probably heard her telling somebody, or she may even told me. And I was always thinking southern Illinois, but my problem with that story was I just couldn't picture this thing going. You know, I'm like, really like, no, it would not, if it's a wild animal, it's not going to walk in the house and tear the stove and the cabinets apart. I guess I hate to say that story, they might tell you to scare you or.

Carla, if your son came to you to Marlon so that he was ready to go back out there, would you go out there with him? Probably not. I mean, I wouldn't let him go out there. Probably not. I don't, you know, I might with my husband, but he's been in the Marines. And, I mean, I would obviously put my life in his hands. I just don't even think that. You know, I mean, I just don't think that.

I would still wouldn't feel safe. I don't blame you. You know, it's funny, the tearing up the, the, you know, the tearing up the, the, house that you were talking about. I'd love to say I've never heard that before, but I've heard that a few times. And almost kind of the same way that you're describing ripping the cabinets out, ripping the... It's not uncommon.

Yeah, it's not really that... It seems to trigger that. Yeah. Yeah, that's what... I mean, he took his wife and because my grandma and grandpa, there's the ones that actually originally got that place. And then, like I said, it was for, like, my mom, my aunts, my uncle's, different ones would stay there at different times.

There's some of them, you know, sometimes at the same time. But my grandma and grandpa had, let me see, I think it was 30 some odd grandkids. And we all just kind of played out there in the yard. Everywhere they lived, it was like that. But we would all get together, and there would be kids running everywhere. And my mom said she always felt like the more kids that were, and she said, that's when you would hear. I'm talking this. She said, for her mind, because it was always at that old psalman.

I guess just scares me because he's a big guy. and he just ain't see him getting and leave. Yeah. Yeah. That's usually pretty drastic major. And my other uncle just made fun of him, but once he got there, he was scared too. And then it hurting the dog,

and why it didn't just kill that dog, and he said, and the dog hit the house. And he said, I really thought it killed it. Because it laid there, the dog laid there and kind of jerked, and he thought it had hit it hard enough that either broke its neck or done brain damage. And he said, but, you know,

the dog ended up living, and it wasn't, when they went back after that, and, you know, they never, they didn't stay there that. My grandpa, my grandpa, my uncle's, all, they went and looked at the house, seen what damage was done, and started cleaning it up and stuff. And anytime they would go there, almost wet itself being outside. And, you know, every time they would take it out and, like, be, you know, like looking from side to side, like it was watching, you know, just waiting for something to grab it.

And he said, you know, this little beagle, he said, I can't believe it went off after it anyway. He said, but it was just, you know, just hauled ass out there, you know, into the dark. oh, this thing that comes flying and smacks up against the house. I can't think of too many animals that will pick up a dog and throw it besides, you know, human or friendly. Yeah, if it was like a bobcat or something, I mean, it would have just killed it. It wouldn't have, again, I've seen the movie Harry and the Henderson's, and for some reason when I heard him talk about it throwing that dog, you know, the part where it throws a dog and the guy catches it or whatever I think,

that's what I picture in my mind. And kind of when I pictured Bigfoot, that's why I guess I thought it was a fairy tale, kind of like a movie, you know, just something that. Yeah, it's something that most people don't, you know, they don't have any real concept of until they walk into one. I could see any kind of feature. I don't think. I can definitely understand. Yeah, that's a terrifying encounter, Carla.

One that you said about the works around here. Now, I did get on the, I think I told you, I, you know, I reported to be RFO, and then they contact me and but reported it and they tried email it back. I just ignored it. You know, I just didn't answer. I was like, I'm not talking about. That show is silly. Yeah. And so I'm like, I'm not responding.

into these people because it's just I'm not doing it. But on that same site, said it is a synonymous and said that they had, I think, almost hit one or seen one on T highway. And it was, I think, in the early 80s when they seen one around the same time that that happened to my mom and my uncle and all them was kind of all in that, like early 80s between 80 and 85. But that that woman had, I don't know if she almost was on there. And like, well, somebody else, I mean, they don't want to say who they are, but they've seen it. And over there on T. Highway, so I'm not the only person that's had something from around here.

But then when my mom was like, she's like, no, that was in Fairdale and T Highway. And I'm like, that happened to us. And I'm like, so that's, in that same time area, that's, I know at least three different, four different people that seen it in that area. People that seen it. Like, my husband's mom said something, you tell her, once it starts getting dark, you don't cut, you know, you drive the road, you don't walk through the woods. He's like, you drive over here.

I thought maybe there was, she recently, something's been out there and killed emus and things like that out there and their don't know. She's like, I don't know. She's like, I think there's a big cat or something out there. And there may be. But I always just kind of wonder, of course, he's passed away now. But I always thought, well, maybe that's why he didn't want her walking out there because maybe he had seen something. Live in the woods. She said he never, you know, really said why, but he just tell her, you know, that's not safe. You don't walk through there. You know, if it's even close to dark, you don't walk through there. You drive your car over here. But you don't walk through the woods. Yeah, that's crazy. You wonder what he's seen. Yeah. That's what I told my husband. I said, I kind of just, I would just wish he was still here so I could just ask him, you know, like, if he had seen anything in the area. Because he's a lot of people.

I mean, it's mostly filled in woods. And there's spots that the woods are so, I mean, ridiculously thick that nobody goes out there because you don't, I mean, you have to go through. There's a lot of places here that nobody goes just because it's not convenient. And the only other story I heard was an old man told my aunt one time that they migrated. He said they migrated through here because the place we fished, you can actually, if you walk that river, lead you into Arkansas. And he told her years ago that they migrated from through Missouri and up into Arkansas. And I don't know where from there. But he said that people know that they passed through.

Well, we appreciate you coming on. Carla, we appreciate you sharing your encounter. I mean, I'm still, yeah, I'm still soaking it all in. Yeah, it's, like, I don't know if you can tell it when I talk, my breath catches, because my heart's like, yeah, I don't blame me. Yeah, thank you so much for telling us, Carla. But now I'm like, kind of, you know, like, I was telling my husband about it, and he's like, well, on the woods and stuff, and he's like, you know, he's like, I'm going to start, he's like, just kind of stuff,

and he's like, they can't be that common around here. He's like, so, you might do that. I don't know. I'd be interested to see what's around that sawmill. That seems to be their focal. Yeah. That's what my mom said, she said, you couldn't see it just been abandoned. And, you know, she didn't know why it was abandoned.

They just called it there. And there was just, and she said, now they had been abandoned. Now, I secondhand story for my mom and I would have been abandoned or oddly. That's a lot of lumber to have all these piles. And they just left it. I mean, why saw them all of knowledge if you're not going to take it? And they just left it. I don't think there's anybody that really researches it in this area.

and people, I guess that may be why, but then again, I'm kind of interested into trying to see if other people have stories, verify mine, I guess. I'm like, I mean, if they're out here, nobody would even know it because nobody would be, nobody looks for it or knows, you know, says anything about it. I'm like, I know nobody's looking for them around here. I said, I don't necessarily want to find one,

but I would like to find, try to find, like, some way to such a good print. I've always heard it used to be swamp land, but it's real sandy, you know. and it's just like when you see a deer track I mean you can see a deer track you can see all the details of deer track and same thing with anything that wants there I can send you a casting gag that'll teach you how to do it

okay yeah that'd be great and like I said I think we're going to kind of just me because before you are way out of your league here but you know with me I wouldn't mind going out like just in the you know I'd go back maybe go back to I would not go out to

those woods. I wouldn't go that far, but I would go, because, you know, it's October now. So I'm like, well, maybe if I just went to the river banks, even though you can't walk down the river no more, maybe it would be still passing through just not down in the river. It just had to be on the bank. But just to see if we see anything. Well, be careful when you're out there, Carla. Be careful when you're on. Oh, I'm never going alone. I mean, I'll, we have, there's anything, but I would never go out there without a weapon. I mean, I would just, my husband's specially training in the Marines, so he knows how to attract things and things like that.

So if I've seen a footprint, I would probably like, okay, yeah, I've seen it, and now I'm ready to go. Yeah. Well, I just want to tell you that you handled that situation really well considering what was going on. It was such an awesome encounter. I sure appreciate it. Well, thank you very much. And what part of the country is you in? I live in, I live in, it's called Naylor, Missouri. Like I said, it's a really little town.

Don't you mean Missouri? I said Missouri one time, and a guy just, he just gave it to me. He verbally gave me the sound until it was Missouri. I guess everybody pronounces everything different. I do the same thing when somebody says, Illinois, I'm like, that is not how you say it, because I was born in Illinois. So I'm like that, it's not noise. Like, that's not how that sounds.

We get the same thing out here where people say Oregon. Yeah. I've heard you. I do that. Oh, Washington. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Now, we all do talk, so we got that, we say ain't, and we got all kinds of, and he's spelled Kentucky, like Kentucky, like C-U-N.

Mom, I sounded it out. I said, we are hillbillies. You don't sound things out. I'm like, it doesn't do us any good to sound stuff out because then that's where we get the. people think we're rednecks. Yeah. I was like, his teacher just put a big smiley face by the word. Like, oh, my gosh.

Yeah, what else do you do? He's definitely a redneck. That's a tuckie. I sure appreciate it, Carl. I sure appreciate it coming on and sharing. It was an awesome encounter, and it was actually a lot of stories that shared. Awesome. Okay.

But I appreciate your time, and thanks for listening to my story. And good night, everybody. Bye-bye. Tonight, Carla. That's one of the better ones we've heard in a while. I was not expecting that. That is so cool if I'm moving closer. It's, again, remember how I say things repeat in the subject with these stories?

Yeah. With the dwelling torn up after the people left, it's instantly my mind with a cowman. And there are other accounts just like that one. People would just take 10 minutes to look at this, you know? There's so many corroborating stories and facts. It's so... Over and over and over again. And it's never, you know, the sign of fakery is something that sticks way out in the middle of left field.

Next on the show, I want to welcome Roger. And Roger had a few encounters where he came face-to-face with Sasquatch. And him and I were talking the other day. He sent me some tracks he had taken photographs of, but I want to welcome Roger to the show. Hi, Roger. How are you this evening? Forgive me, how you doing? Pretty good. I understand you know my buddy, Lucy Mendoza. Yes, I do. Very well.

Yeah, Lupe is a great guy. Tell us, I guess, so we get this going, you've had several encounters, right? I've had three visual encounters, and I've had two sound encounters. I don't even know how you would put that. Okay, well, let's go ahead and start with the first one. And tell us what you were doing leading up to the event. I guess how long ago did that happen the first time? That happened back in...

The first one happened around 80. No, Kerry. Okay, we'll start there. Tell us what you were doing leading up to... Well, actually, it was me and four of the people. I think around that time, I was around 11 or 12, something like that. We were at my grandmother's house, 15, 20 miles from where I actually live at right now. Us kids, we're outside just...

playing and just doing whatever kids do, you know. We were, well, my grandmother's house at the time was right across the street from a large field, pasture like. And we were just chunking rocks, making noise, whatever. All of a sudden, we were looking across the field and there was a bush, would look like a bush in the middle of that field. And we're like, there's no bushes in that field. We've never actually seen one. Not that we'd ever really paid attention, but there was a bush. What we thought was a bush.

All of a sudden, whatever was got up and started walking. I'm like, that wasn't a bush. We all got scared, and we ran inside to my grandmother's house, and we told that there was hairy thing on the other side of the road and the field. And this actually happened in a town. Well, I'll go ahead and give you the name of the town. It's Orchard, Texas, and it's about... In that field, it was about two miles from the Brazzles River.

Because I've already understood that they access to creeks in the rivers and stuff like that. Yeah, that was one of the incidents. I mean, it didn't do anything, but it walked off towards where the river was at. The river, like I said, it was like two miles from there. So I started walking that direction, and we didn't see it anymore after that. Okay. The second encounter happened about a year or two later. where it happened was in a place called East Bernard, Texas, a little town.

We had actually already moved to where I currently live right now. And my dad had an old 69 Impala, and the house that was there was like maybe a block away from the landlord's house. And the landlord had a salvage yard there. Well, my dad went to go pull a motor for his old 69 Impala, his motor had blown out. So we went over there one Saturday, and it was me, my dad, my uncle, and my cousin, taking the other car apart from the way they can pull the motor. And me and my cousin went down in between our old house, our old rental house,

and the landlord's house, there's a pond off to the side, in between, inside the pasture, and inside the tree line. And one thing I got to mention about that part of where that distance and it took place is called the river or the creek of the river is called San Bernard. We went to go to the little pond so we can mess around and we were catching minos and stuff. And, well, we were there for about 30 minutes, me and him, and I finally got bored of it. So I crossed the, cross the barbed-war friend back to the other side where the turn row was because in between the landlord's house and our old rental house was a turn row.

and from that turn row there was a cornfield. Anyway, when I stepped across the barboard fence and I got into the middle of the turn row, I don't know why, but I looked towards our old rental house. Right when I looked up towards the house, I saw something hairy big riding that turn row pulling corn from the stock. And that sort of gave me a real quick shot.

I looked away for a second and looked back to see if that's what I was really looking at. And the same time I looked, it was still there. So I turned around, walked. Or, yeah, I think I walked because I didn't run because I didn't. I know if a little kid I even know, you know, you run away from something that's going to chase you if it's easier. So I just walked away calmly and I got back over there to where my dad and my uncle were. sat right there where they were working, and he said, I thought you were playing. He was like, I'm like, no, I'm done playing.

I'm going to stay right here. I'm not moving anymore. And that's stayed until we left that afternoon after you got you pulling that motor. And I didn't tell anybody about that, so I just kept it to myself. That was the end of that. Now, the third incident happened actually here where I live. It was, the incident happened because every evening after we ate dinner, we would give our dog.

I had a dog. We had a dog named Rex, and we would give him the table scraps and whatever was left over. So my mom sent me and my brother out, and we easily used to go get rid of him where his doghouse was behind a little lean garage room.

I mean, they had a slant. They didn't have the pitch on it. It just had a slant. That's how I said lean. We were going to go throw up behind her, but as soon as we came off the porch, And we had, mind you, we had one of those big flashlights that take the, what is it, the big 9-volt square batteries, you know, the big flashlight. So anyway, we got off the porch.

Not as soon as we got off the porch, we started lighting the way towards the garage. And there was something big standing there and looked at us. And the main thing I remember about that was when the light hit. whatever was I, they brightened up amber light, like yellowish, amber. And all I've seen was teeth and eyes. Because that light was pretty strong. It's not like a little, you know, a little regular light flashlight. This thing lit up its face and happened with the body.

And... Yeah. Actually, what triggered that, what triggered that was a picture that was taken in Florida or that swamp ape or that skunkate behind the palm middle leaf that picture i know circled circled around pretty much it looked exactly like that but big the the top of the garage is at least was at least nine foot and it stood a little bit above or maybe just almost even with the top part of that that lean or that slanted garage like i said he didn't have it didn't have a pitch like a regular garage. It had like a lean on it. So at the highest part of the

the highest part of the garage was at least nine foot. But even though I say after we saw that, we had to step up to the porch. You know, with these stairs, we didn't even, I didn't even use a stairway. I jumped up on the porch. I didn't even look back. We dropped the table scraps. We both jumped in. jumped up on the porch, I said, I said, we didn't even use the steps. It was at least, for us being little kids, it was high enough to where we would have to struggle,

but we didn't struggle that time. Nearly to say, my mom still made us go get rid of it, and we walked out of our ports onto the main road, which is like 3rd Street or 4th Street. Third Street and Avenue G was the actual crossroads or cross-street of where the house used to stand here in town. But we, like I said, she made us go back out there and we came out to the street instead of going through our yard, we came out to the street, walked the length of the house and where the garage is at, still lighting up the back of the house in the garage.

I forgot to mention this, but right behind there, off the cat a corner is a store, the little driving store, and it's all lit up. But the back of our house is, like I'm saying, dark. But we lit up the back of the back of the back of the, back of the, back of the, yard because we weren't and we walked as quiet as we could because whatever we saw we didn't know if it was still there or not but uh was it just standing by the house it was standing right at the end of the garage at the highest point and right off the side of the house jesus the front part of the garage was about 10 feet from the street and the word thing about it is rex was always ready

and he knew what time we were coming out with you because it was like clockwork that we would get rid of the table scraps and we didn't see him anyway That's what I was going to ask us where was the dog He wasn't around That was a weird part about it And he usually waited at the end of the stairway You know

And he wasn't there So we figured he was in the back of the garage He was nowhere to be And at that the next day The food wasn't even messed with it I mean he was still alive I'm not saying that something happened to him but he just, like, disappeared.

Like, didn't want to... It wasn't left on that guy. No. And for the listeners out there who haven't seen that skunkay picture that you're talking about, Roger, it kind of looks like an orangutan on steroids is kind of what the picture looks like. Actually, you know what? Another thing that I was, like, kind of trying to refer to you, I don't know if you ever watched that movie, War of Gargantua.

It had that same kind of build, only thicker and hairy magic. or, you know, something, something like that, especially with the way the teeth looked. I mean, they kind of had that look to it, too. I mean, it was, like you said, the orangutan skunket picture. The two sound ones happened along that same river, that same river bottom. Because me and my cousin and my brother were at the same river bottom part,

but in another town, about five miles from orchard from the first sighting that I had, you know, we're kids, were still, we're messing around down in the river bottom, the river was dry. And we went walking down in the river bottom, or the river, the sandy part of the bottom, because they had dried out. And we weren't just exploring like kids do. We went about from my grandmother's, well, this is the second house that my grandmother

was living in Wallace, like five miles from orchard. So we went as far as we could go. Me and my cousin and my brother started walking back. About midway, excuse me, about midway. excuse me, about midway that we came back something on top because this part I got to claim this part of the river

bottom had, you know, if you look on both ways, inside the river bottom, the walls or at least 10 foot on both sides. So it's the part the very bottom of the river. Anyhow,

midway, we started hearing some footsteps from the top. And we're like, oh, well, there's probably somebody in there. Probably somebody is walking in the woods, or is that in there. All of a sudden, we can hear some heavy breathing. And I was like, oh, hell. So I tell my brother and my cousin, I said,

when I tell you to, run, don't look back. And as soon as we did that, you could hear vibrations. from the top, echoing through the wall of the river, the walls of the river, and it was running through brush. I mean, it's pretty thick with brush, palmetto leaves and all that up on top. And there's wild grape vines and all that, so whatever it was, I mean, if it was regularly human, it couldn't have run through there. And I already know that, you know, growing up and messing around the woods and stuff. You can't run like that. It's not up there.

whatever it was like I said you could hear the vibrations from the top echoing through the walls or the river we got to the entrance of where we came down into the river and luckily there were some people there were saining fish out of a little ditch that stayed filled with water and fish and we're like okay there's two adults and kids there so we kind of stayed around them and helped them sing a little bit and so as we were done We're like, okay, we're leaving now. And the guy said, okay, well, thanks for helping us out. We're like, no, thank you.

And we left. We climbed up out of the river and we left. And it stopped. It stopped about maybe 20, 25 yards before, I guess it could see the people down. Whatever it was, I'm pretty sure you could see because it stopped 20 or 30 yards before you got to that entrance. That's terrifying. As soon as we climbed out, we never went back. I don't blame you.

And then the second one, and the very last time I've ever seen or anything, it was 2003 along the same river bottom. I was about 28, 29. I've ever gotten together with my wife. I was already, like I said, 27, 28, and that's about that. And we're at a fishing dock inside the park near, there's a little park called Catherine Bates or something like that. park. It's in the channel called Kennelssoe. Well, anyway, we're, it was after work and I wanted to go fishing and we went over there to that, to that pier, that dock. And it's on that river and that bottom, the real bottom. And we were there for about maybe 10, 15 minutes. I didn't even get to fish because all of a sudden, off in the distance, real heavy snaps, branches being snapped. And I tell my wife, I said, did you hear that? She said, no, she's from the city, so she really doesn't, she's not really accustomed. hearing noises in a forest or but growing up you and like I said messing around in the woods like we did when we were kids we heard everything you know you can hear when people walking on

leaves you can hear people walking through through brush that you know just if there's not a path you know you hear stuff like that you understand what those sounds are and try to understand what those sounds are you know growing up and you know that and you know basically growing up in the wood messing around the wood. Well, anyhow, like I said, I hadn't dropped my line in about 10 minutes. All of a sudden, I heard tree branch, branch of snapping, and all of a sudden, something took off full speed towards the dock where we're at, running through those palmetto leaves. And it was far off in the distance enough to where I could tell.

I told my wife, I said, you know what, you and the kids get in the car, take the keys? Because I had everything. I had all my fishing equipment all spread out on the dock. I had my tackle box, my two rides, just everything all to where I couldn't just throw it in the car because we had a Mitsubishi eclipse at that time. But anyhow, like I said, I told her to jump in the car, take the kids with her, take the keys, lock the door, something happening, and get out of here. So she was going to live, and then she finally heard what I was hearing. So she heard them, got the kids and everything, and I was reeling up my rides and putting on my stuff and keeping an eye on the, on the phone, where the sound was coming from.

As soon as I got there, as soon as I got everything all wound up on my rides, I didn't even adjust them in the back of the car. I just laid him in the car, put the trunk down, put my taggle box in it, didn't even, you know, have time to put the bungee cord around it because there was no room for the ride, but I still went fishing like that.

But, you know, what I'm saying is, I just laid them in there, close the trunk, got in the car and left. You know, when you hear the large snaps and then something bolting right to your position, That's the sound of it's time to go. Yeah, exactly. Well, be safe, man.

Appreciate you listening to the show. Appreciate you coming on, sharing your encounter. I know it wasn't easy for you, but we sure appreciate you taking the time to tell us the stories and, you know, go over all the different things that have happened to you. And I don't know if you ever had a chance to look it up, but what I was telling you the other day when you called me about the casting they made out of those river bottoms

just in the courthouse in Wharton. I don't know if you ever got a chance to look at that. Oh, I never got a chance to look that up. Yeah, they put the cast of the footprints in the courthouse. Like on display. Really? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, that casting was taken out of the...

From what I read, it was taken out of those river bottoms by our crew back in the early 70s. And I didn't know anything about it, too. I was looking up in stories, and there's actually a lot of stories from that area too, which is about 20 miles from a river bottom. They took, like I said, they took a casting out of there

and it's supposed to be on display in the courthouse and warden. I wanted to thank you for coming on the show. I mean, I wanted to thank you for, like I said, I appreciate it listening. I appreciate you sharing. I know it's not easy. Well, I've tried to listen to the podcast. Actually, I just started to it.

listen to podcasts about about a week or two ago. And all the other ones I found, all the other ones I've tried to listen to, they don't, they don't have the same information or, or, that y'all do. The way y'all handle the interviews and stuff like that, that's why I actually message that one day that I had seen, heard when I first started trying to contact y'all. And that's mainly the reason why. I haven't contacted them to try to talk to anybody else. I think about eight years ago, I tried contacting the BFRO through their messages or whatever, tell your story type thing.

And they never go back to me, so I never bothers them anymore. I appreciate it. I appreciate you saying all those kind things, man. It's fun to hear people's stories, you know. It's fun to hear what happened to other people. And I think it allows people to want to come out and share, you know, hey, this. And it's funny, a lot of the stories They all kind of have the same

Common thread You know, it's the same type of behavior It's usually the same type of descriptions We appreciate it, ma'am Thank you all very much for listening to me I had never told anybody else Till now All right, buddy

Thank you Take care You too You too Absolutely thank you Bye bye Bye bye Well we want to thank our guest tonight

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