Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:531 It Had A Man's Face

Episode Date: April 6, 2019

Tonight I will be speaking to three guests who all have very different encounters. Matt writes "The encounter happened during July of 95. I live in NC near the Uwharrie mountains now. Back in 95 I lived at the base of the Blue Ridge mountains. Wilkes county to be exact. Me and my friend Mike were headed from the bottom of the mountain to a friend's house on the top of the mountain. We decided to take the scenic route, late afternoon. The scenic route was a pavement to gravel road called Big Ivy. It was paved at the base of the mountain. But as soon as you started up, it turned to gravel. It was hot even on the side of the mountain, and we were smoking cigarettes. So we had the windows open. We got half way up the mountain, around dusk, and rounded a curve to the left. The road had a drop off to the right, and a very steep bank to the left. As we came around the curve I noticed something walking up onto the side of the road on the right. At first in the dusk, I thought it was a real tall man in a trenchcoat. I said to Mike, "Who's the trenchcoat"? I looked back and immediately stopped the truck. I saw it wasn't a man. But whatever it was, it was 7-8′ tall. It just stood there stunned as we were that the other was there. The orange hair on it's right leg had several places where it was matted together. It had a man's face more than an apes. At least that's the way I saw it. With hair up the cheeks of it's face It had a slight grin on it's face. Almost like it was smiling. I'm not sure if it was a male or female. I looked at it with awe. Mike however was on the side of the vehicle closest to it, and went into a panic. Kicking the floor board, pushing himself back into the seat. He started yelling "Get out of here"! Startled by his panic, I turned to look at him. Causing me to miss the Bigfoot cross the road right in front of the headlights. When I looked back, he was climbing up the bank on the left, with ease. This bank is so steep, I would have to climb up it on my belly. The Bigfoot went right up in no time flat. I ignored Mike's yells, and got out of the vehicle. I immediately caught the smell. The smell of water rot, BO, and urine. Foul. I heard him crashing thru the brush on top of the hill. I stood around for a few minutes. Got back in the truck and we left. Excitedly telling our friend about the encounter. He dismissed us and our story. I went back to the spot after work the next day. Saw no trace of what went through there. There is a house on top of the hill. So I couldn't go on top of the bank and look. But it was hot and dry so no footprints on the side of the road. There is a spring box on the side of the road, will a constantly running overflow pipe. That water supply on the side of the mountain maybe why he was in that area." I will also be welcoming to the show Shawn and Shawn writes "I'm from Alabama, born and raised but I moved to Utah for college. I've had a few different experiences in both states as well as nearby western Georgia. The Georgia experience is the one I'd like to share. I had recently moved back home to Alabama after finishing in Utah. I had been employed at a lawn maintenance company while going to college. This company is a Fortune 500 and is located in all 50 states and in every city of marginal populations. They handle fertilizer and weed control as well as aerations/dethatching, insect control and services for trees and shrubs both residential and for commercial accounts. I arranged to be transferred to a branch in Georgia as I was moving back to Alabama. My dad has recently been diagnosed with cancer and my mom needed help with the property. They live in a two-story house my dad built on a nice sized portion of land, it's in the boonies with houses here and there but mostly it's Alabama soft wood forests in all directions for miles and miles. As an only child helping became my torch to carry with all the animals and miscellaneous yard work not to mention driving my dad to the doctor or picking up groceries and paying the bills. This branch I transferred to in Georgia was about an hour away and only serviced areas in Georgia. One of our commercial accounts was for large tracks of Pine woods for Mead Paper. Some of these 100s of acres went specifically for paper pulp production, some equally sized portions Mead sold to furniture/construction companies but Mead still owned the actual land the trees come from and maintained the upkeep or a better way of saying that is, they hired other companies to take care of it. We had been hired by Mead to do Mauget treatments(pronounced Moe-shay or Moe-jay think French accents). A Mauget is essentially a treatment for trees that involve drilling(taping) roughly 1/12 the diameter of the trunk, equally spaced with about 6 injection points. We could inject iron if the soil was low due to the forests being reused so often, fungicides and insecticides. We were there because pine beetles had been eating up acreages of trees for the construction/furniture profits. These jobs typically take weeks to complete and had crews of 1 salesmen who was responsible for the account and 3-4 technicians. It was one of the only jobs we did where the sales rep helped with applications. State and federal laws govern how to prepare and clean up while doing tree injections. We don't want iron capsules contaminating the soil or the poisons drifting into water supplies. We would get to the parcel of land around 7:30am with a google map loaded showing the target area. We also had the trees marked off by surveyors who would come in and designate the initial area and through out the weeks come back and mark the rest of the areas with ribbons while we were in other areas. I was the salesman of the account and met with a representative from Mead on-site 3 days before the job was to start so I could get a view of the land and work out the quickest way possible. He was running about 10 minutes late and I was in the truck calling in sales to our office. It was late February roughly 5:00 pm. I was parked on a dirt logging road, both sides of the road was going to be the area we treated. The road went down further about a half mile and ended with a cleared area for trucks to park or turn around. I got off the call and just had an uneasy feeling so I decided to drive down to the dead end and turn around so when the Mead rep got there our drivers sides would be next to each other and we wouldn't need to get out to have a conversation. I didn't know why but I didn't want to get out and go for a walk inspecting woods this close to dark. When I got to the turn around I could tell this area hadn't been used in a long time, the grass had grown up, there was no loading or logging equipment just a few boxes of ribbons left from the survey crew to use during the job. It was still light out but dark enough for the headlights to come on in the woods. I sat in the lot facing towards the road so I could drive and meet him when I saw him coming with the bed of the truck close to a mound of dirt pushed up right at the boundary of the woods behind me. I heard something crack really loud behind me off in the woods. I figured it was a limb break off a beetle infested tree. No more than 5 seconds later I heard thumping, the best way to describe it is someone running on a hard or compacted floor with extra large shoes flopping down with each step. I turned and put my right arm behind the passenger seat so I could look out the back window. I saw a single pine moving very rapidly back and worth, I could only see the top 60% of the tree because of the large mound of dirt moved to clear the area. It continued for about 10 seconds until I heard a loud series of knocks coming from the driver side off in the woods. I looked to my left and thought I saw a dark figure moving toward where the clearing becomes the road. Then I heard walking behind the truck, immediately I heard three distinctive "whoops," I mean it was clearly a "woooowhooop, whoop whop!" that came from the same area I saw something walking. Then my truck was pelted with tiny pebbles once I left and looked at then they looked like little tiny pieces of gravel. Something was tossing pebbles from the wood line behind me. I put the truck in drive because things were really starting to freak me out and I heard the loudest yell I can ever remember. It wasn't guttural but it was low and very reverberating as soon as it finished from behind the truck I heard what I can only describe as a shriek but it was very throaty and raspy. That was it for me, I pulled off and I was getting ready to get on the paved road to leave I saw my Mead contact parked waiting for me. He apologized for being late and we talked about the area and job. He told me flat out he hates coming to this area. I asked him why and he told me about Chris Thompkins. You might know this name if you follow Missing 411. He was a surveyor who went missing working with his crew pretty much in this same area in 2002. I hadn't heard anything about it. He explained Chris was surveying with his crew spaced about 50 ft apart, he was last in line and just vanished. I told him about the noises I heard and he said he had experienced similar sounds back there and told me he saw a large animal run across the road on two legs and drop to all four when it made it into the woods. The first few days of the job went great but day 4 the survey guys asked us on the way in if we had taken their boxes of ribbons. I told them we wouldn't have any use for them and I saw them in the clearing where everyone parked. He said someone must have came back there and took them because they couldn't find them. They left for the day and said they'd come back tonight and lay some down for us to complete in the morning. We only had about 15 trees left in the area since they couldn't mark any the rest of the day so I sent all but one technician home early. It was about 5:30pm when we finished and we're picking up the injection caps from trees. He heard it first and asked what the hell is that!? It was the same yell I had heard about a week earlier. I told him I didn't know and let's finish grabbing the trash so we could leave. That's when I heard something whiz throw the air. The cap injectors are cylinders that get a hole punched in one end and I was hearing the wind pass over it as it went through the air. I didn't see it but we heard it. Two more where thrown and that was enough for us. We walked a pretty fast pace back to the truck and packed the truck up with the drills and spent caps. We sat and listened for about 30 minutes it was about 6:10pm. There was dozens of yells and whooping and that strange shriek. As we were leaving the cleared area we saw a large animal peering around a tree about 15 ft from the dirt road. It was rocking to our left and bobbing back behind the trunk over and over. The only knocking we heard was as we were leaving down the dirt road towards the main paved road. To cut the reading down I'll condense the rest. The job started going slow because the survey ribbons kept getting torn off the trees and just littered the ground. We would find clumps of them wrapped together sometimes just laying in the middle of the clearing. They started using blue paint to mark and that's when some drills started getting broken and trees we treated we would find, I mean they were pushed over. That's the only way I can say it. Not all of them not even most of them but a good number the further back we treated. We ended up completing about 70% of the area and Mead canceled the rest. The rep would only tell me we did a great job all things considered and they were going to let the land "sit" for awhile. Ever since I always wondered about the missing surveyor and if any of us were in any real danger."  James will be also sharing his encounter. James writes "During the winter of 1993 I shipped off to Fort Leonardwood, MO for basic training and would eventually become a transportation expert in the National Guard. Fourteen months later I would then enlist into Active Duty after attempting a semester of college. I would find myself at Fort Knox, KY. About a year and a half while in my second unit the Brigade would move out towards western Kentucky, not far from Central City to conduct a month long field exercise. This is where I would witness one of these creatures. Last one day a battle buddy and I headed for the showers which were located near the entrance of the training area. The building was located over a hundred yards from the staging area where all large vehicles were to park. A road ran from the gate in front of the building towards the staging area which then split off into two separate directions. In the fork of this intersection was located the ammo/ fuel point. The road the split off to the left separated the staging area and the fuel point. At the back end of the staging area was a row of conex containers. Behind these containers was a hill. Near the end of the containers and not too far from the fuel point was a street light. Now this row ran about a hundred yards which came to a deep raven. We parked our vehicle, a HEMMET (10 Ton cargo truck). I was a PFC (Private First Class) at the time and my battle buddy was a SPC (Specialist) so he told me to go take my shower first, which I did. When I finished and headed back it was starting to get dark. I climbed into the drivers side of the vehicle and waited for him to return. We were facing the shower building and how I was seated I was facing out the passenger window looking at the end of the containers near the street light. It didn't light up a huge area but I could see part way up the hill and the end of the containers. After a while I noticed "someone" come walking off the side of the hill. At first I didn't think much about it believing someone was lost while doing night time land navigation. I watched for about five minutes till the figure walked behind the containers to never be seen again. As I continued to watch somethings started to make me question what I was looking at. They were tall and broad, wasn't carrying a weapon of any type, and wasn't wearing any battle raddle, especially a pro-mask (gas mask). Then I noticed that their pants weren't bloused into boots. The figure had their head down, walking back and forth as if they were looking for something. Then they walked behind the containers where the top of their head reached the top of the container and really noticed how big this individual was. I am 6'3″ and if I stand in side a conex with boots on, stand on my toes and reach up I can grab the top of the conex. During this field exercise the majority would return to the rear for the weekend while each unit kept a small crew back to watch everything. Half way through the exercise my battle buddy and I was sent to the fuel/ ammo point. I took this time to walk over to where I saw the figure to see if any tracks could be seen. I found nothing which wasn't a surprise for several reasons; it had rain by that time and the ground was so compacted that a HUMVEE would hardly leave a track there. There was no interaction between the subject and myself. I haven't had any other encounters either."  

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out, and he grabbed a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. Going to be talking to Matt. And Matt comes to us from North Carolina. He was driving up the side of this hillside, and him and a friend of his ran right. into one of these creatures. And then we'll talk to James, and James had an encounter a couple of years back on a military base in Fort Knox, and he described seeing this thing. At first, he thought it was a

soldier until he realized how big it was. And then we'll wrap up with Sean. And Sean comes to us from Georgia. He was out doing some work. I'll let him kind of explain the type of work he was doing. And some of the odd, strange things that happened while they were out there, they were trying to get rid of this beetle that destroys trees. And it's an area where I posted on the blog, Christopher Tompkins. If you guys get a chance, go back and read Christopher Tompkins. But he was actually a surveyor on the same job site, and he vanished. He was literally within 30 feet of someone.

They were just talking to him, and they turn around and he's gone. And I was going to do kind of a recreation of him disappearing. But then, you know, I didn't want it to be in bad taste, so I kind of scrapped the idea. But if you get a chance, go back and read that blog. It's very fascinating. And I hope you guys enjoy the blog. I'm trying to post more interesting things up on the blog for you. Sometimes Bigfoot related.

Sometimes it's not. You know, stuff I'm interested in. So I hope you guys enjoy some of the new blogs that I'll be posting. But let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Matt to the show. Matt, thanks for coming on. Thank you. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here.

And I know your encounter took place back in 1995. in North Carolina. If you would, would you just kind of start from the beginning and kind of walk us into it. What did you see? Well, it was July. It was, of course, hot weather. And me and a friend were going to see another friend who lived on top of the mountain. We lived in a county called Wilkes. We decided to take the scenic route, which is a back road, which is paved at the bottom of the mountain and as soon as you start up the side of the mountain it turns to gravel it was hot dry and the road was washboard so we pretty much couldn't get up much speed you know going up the mountain anyway it was hot and we were both heavy cigarette smokers we had the windows down

and we were just going up the side of the mountain you know slow we came around this curve the curve The curve went back to the left. And what looked like a tall guy walking up, stepping up on the side of the road, the road to the right was a drop-off, was like a small ravine. The road to the left of us was just an almost straight up and down embankment. And there was a house that set up further up the embankment on the left. well, what looked like to me looked like a guy walking up on the side of the road on the right, and it looked like some guy in a trench coat.

At first, it was late evening, it was dusk, and, you know, it wasn't a whole lot of light out other than the headlights. And so I looked at my friend Mike, and I said, well, who's the trench coat? Because, you know, why would there be some guy out here in the middle of nowhere in a trench coat coming, walking up from the ravine onto the road. So I got to looking and realized it wasn't any guy in a trench coat. Whatever was, it was about seven or eight feet tall. And the first thing I noticed was the, it's the sideways to us. And I looked at the inside of its right leg.

And there was like something hanging from it in two or three places. And I got to looking in it, it was like matted hair. like a dog would have, you know, a dog gets wet and it gets matted hair where it's big clumps of hair. And, and I was like,

well, that's not a trench coat at all. That's not a guy whatsoever. And I got to looking and, it had orange hair. It wasn't black or brown. It was orange, or at least in the headlights,

it was orange. And as I looked up more upwards at it instead of just looking at its legs, it was very lean there wasn't any fat on it it was lean and muscular had a flat face and it didn't really have

a cone head to it at all it was more like a human's head more rounded at least and one thing that really stood out to me is it had like a Mona Lisa smile on it it had like a grin

its mouth was closed but it had this kind of half grin on its face. And so I stopped the truck, and it stopped and just looked at us, and we looked at it. I noticed Mike and the seat beside me, and the truck was going into bloody terror panic. He was kicking the, pushing against the floor back into the seat like he could get away from it and was starting to yell, you know, get out of here, go, go, go. It was closer to his side of the vehicle than it was.

was mine. And he was just in a panic. So I looked over at him to see what all the commotion with him was. By the time I looked back, it was running up the bank on the left side, which, I mean, this bank is so steep. I would have to grab on the brush and stuff and pull myself up on the belly. My belly, there's no way I could do what it did. It just ran up this bank. So it took off. I got out of the vehicle, and about that time we caught the smell of it, and it smelled like old rotten wood, old wet wood rot, and a kind of urine smell. It was just nasty. And I could hear it crashing through the brush at the top of the bankman up the hill up there. I thought about going up there, but there's a house up there, and you could get shot for driving up

people's driveway for no reason. So we finally calmed down enough. I got back in the truck and we left. I came back the next day after work and where it was been so hot and dry, I couldn't find any sign of it. No footprints, just like it had never even been there. A little further up the road, there's a spring box for that house, and it's right on the side of the road.

and the overflow on that thing's always running. So I assumed that he was probably in that area because there was a steady supply of water. There was not a whole lot of water on the side of the mountain there. You mentioned the orange, do you think it was more of an Auburn? And with your lights, it kind of gave that orange appearance? It could have been the lights.

It was, if you've ever seen, well, I know you've probably seen one, but orangutan, that color. that color hair that's the at least in the headlights that's the way that hair looked it didn't look brown or black whatsoever

it was very orange yeah and I've heard many descriptions like that and so you guys drive off what did you get what was a conversation like what did you think you saw that that was the conversation

we went on to the friend's house we was going to and I mean we were both excitedly telling them you know we just saw big foot. We just saw Sasquatch. And he was like,

yeah, right. You know, just pretty much dismissed the whole thing. And pretty much anybody else I mentioned it to after that. But just dismiss us, you know, like, oh, yeah, sure you did. That was a bear you saw. That's the big one. I still hear that today. I mentioned it

to my sisters a little while back. I said, you remember when I told you we saw Bigfoot, Big foot and they were like, no, you saw a bear. You didn't see that. And another side note to this is ultimately my wife, who I married, lived further up the mountain range there, a little bit closer north towards Virginia. And one of her friends, I mentioned it to them. And they said that every spring,

he comes down and raids their chicken house. They have to run him off with a gun. He comes down the mountain. They say he, I guess, a particular one, and will raid their chicken house, and they have to go out and fire guns to run him off, but he usually gets away with two or three chickens. But he said the Indians that live in the area,

and all the people that live there in that area, call him Baytai. That's the name the Indians gave him. Is that a name or does it mean something? What's Baytai mean? I don't know. I don't really know. That's what he said, that the Indians in the area that used to live there, they're not there now.

I called him Baytai and the people that live there now keep calling him that name as well. But he didn't know what the origin of it or the reason for that name was. Yeah, I get a lot of reports from that area. running around in the mountains. I've had many different reports over the years from that area. I'm curious, what did the face look like when you're looking at it? You mentioned the

smile, but can you describe the face? It was, the hair came down the forehead, and it was a flat face, like humans. The head wasn't a cone, really. It was more rounded. It had hair. It came up,

you know, like up at face from the bottom as well and down its forehead. And it had a, just a, I won't say a leathery looking face around its eyes and nose. What part wasn't covered with hair. And the, the hair was unkempt.

It wasn't, I've heard people say it looked like the hair was, you know, like it was stiff or firm. This one was just hanging everywhere. It had matted hair on its legs. I noticed one arm, it had a clump of matted hair on it. It was looking pretty rough as far as the hair. It was probably seven or eight feet tall.

There was no fat on the animal whatsoever. It was very thin, lean, and muscular. Yeah, the other interesting part is you talk about it, grinning. Was it showing teeth? it was what appeared to be Smiley. No, it had its mouth flows.

I don't know if you've ever seen the crazy Canadian guy, the Savonic.com. He's got all these videos. He's filmed of Sasquatch in Canada. I don't know what you think

about him, but the one video where it shows the Sasquatch's head or he's filming it, that one has a comb-shaped head, whereas this,

This one didn't, but the half smile, the Mona Lisa smile on its face is the same look this one had. Its mouth was closed, but it was almost like it was grinning. Oh, I got you. Kind of a Mona Lisa smile to it. And it didn't make any grunts. There was no sound. The only sound it made was where it was smashing through the brush at the top of that embankment. It didn't growl.

Or if it did, we didn't hear it. I couldn't hear anything for my friend and his screaming panic beside me. Probably anyway, if it had made a sound. But it was called off guard as bad as we were. I mean, it walked up on that road. It wasn't expecting us to be there. Yeah, when you describe it going up the hillside, too, I mean, they move like that. You know, they don't move like we move.

Like you said, you know, you would have to grab bushes, and you'd probably be halfway on your belly trying to get up. that hillside and this thing just ran up the hillside like it was nothing. Yeah, it was just, boom. There's no way. It took me at 15, 20 minutes minimum to crawl up that banquet. And it was gone up there in just seconds. Let me ask you, what do you think that these things are? I'm a Bible-bel believing man, so I think that part of Genesis 6, or offspring of the watcher. It's pretty much what I think of them, or they were created by them, one or the other.

Yeah, it's interesting. You talk about its face. I know in the email you said it looked more human than it did ape. And was it mainly the expressions, or was it the features of the face? The shape of the head, like I said, it didn't have the big cone like some of them do. It was more of a human head. and the eyes to me look more human and the smile. I mean, it did have some ape feature to it,

but just overall the head, the face, just seemed to be a little more human than I would have thought. I mean, it didn't have the ape protruding slope face or whatever that you would call it. It was more of just a flat face like a few. human. It didn't have any kind of, there was nothing remarkable about it other than it was covered in hair more than the humans would be. Yeah, it's a fascinating account. I imagine I'll stick with you for a while. Yeah, it's never forgotten it. It's just, it's finally nice to have somewhere to tell the story without being ridiculed. Yeah, I definitely believe

you, Matt. I mean, I've had so many reports throughout the years from that area. I know exactly where you're at. I get a lot of reports from that area. Well, if anything else happens in the future, let me know, will you? And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. I'll do it. Welcome, James, to the show. James, thanks for coming on.

Thank you very much, bless you're having. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here. And I know you had a very interesting encounter on a base. If you would, would you mind kind of giving us as much information as you want, kind of tell us what you're doing? And just walk us into what happened. I wouldn't say necessarily it was an encounter because the subject and I did not have any interaction whatsoever. I just witnessed. I had a sighting of this creature.

But at this time, I had been in the Army. I joined the Active Duty Army about April of 94. I had been in the National Guard prior to that. and I was attending college. After my first semester, that wasn't the thing I wanted to do, so I went active duty. And at this particular time, this is my very second unit. I was there at Fort Knox. And the entire brigade went out to Western Kentucky.

It wasn't on a actual, I don't know that it was actual military insulation because it was between Fort Knox and Fort Campbell. But evidently, a National Guard. did a lot of training out in this particular area. And we were out there for a month. People from Washington, D.C. were there taking a look at us about our training and everything. But at this particular moment, my battle buddy, and I was a PFC at the time, my battle buddy was a specialist. And we were told, you know, go ahead and go and take showers. So on our way, we were driving hets, cargo hets, a 10-ton truck.

and we parked near the assembly area of coming into this training area. And it was not very far from the entrance into this training area. And right there near the entrance was a building where we could go take showers and so forth. And about 100 yards from there was the staging area. And the back end of the staging area, they had lined up all the connexes. where we put our supplies and stuff in. And behind the connexes was a small area where a Humvee could easily drive up and down. And then there was a hill.

Now, this road that we were on, it came up past the building and up to that assembly area and staging area. And then it split off. Across the road, across this trail was the ammo point fuel point. There was a streetlight there at the fuel point, and then at the end of the connexes, right there next to the road, the trail, was another street light. We were parked. It was approximately about 75 yards, a little bit more than that, from the end of the conexes, because we weren't far from the fuel point.

So my battle buddy told me, go ahead and go take my shower first, and he outranked me. So I hadn't been in the Army long. So I went and took my shower. And when I came back to the truck, it was starting to get dark. My battle buddy, he went off. He was already at the shower point taking a shower, and I was sitting in the driver's seat. And while I was sitting there, my back was against the door,

and I could look out the passenger side door across the road, across the staging area and at the connex is at the end. and I was just sitting there and the light was on it illuminated a good area of there but didn't illuminate up the hill very far and it got the

that end of the context is pretty good and from out the shadow off the hill came this figure now I saw this person and you have to think this is an entire brigade out here in this training area

so you know we had all different kinds of people there. There were cab scouts out there, and there was some infantry. And this figure comes out of the shadows. I'm thinking, well, there's somebody lost on nighttime land nav. And the figure was walking around there, and their head was kind of down, looking down to the ground.

And the way they were walking, it was like they were looking for something. I continued to watch this figure, and I started just noticing some things about it that were strange. I started noticing one, this person wasn't carrying a weapon. They weren't wearing battle rattle because, I mean, you can tell the outline of the battle rattle, but the one significant thing of the equipment that we carry is the gas mask or the pro mask. And it really, it's like a purse. It really sticks out there.

And then I noticed that, you know, their BDUs weren't bloused into their boots. and this individual is walking. I'm just sitting there just watching this and not really grasping what I'm looking at. And then it proceeded to walk behind the conxes. And the top of the head, with its head still down, looking, the top of the head came to the top of the conex. Now, mind you, I'm six foot three.

So with a pair of combat boots on, put another half inch or so on. there. And if I stood into the conex, there's another two inches. And if I reached up and stood on my toes, I could grab the top of that conex barely. Well, about a couple weeks later, or not a couple weeks, a week or so later, you know, I was working down there at the fuel point ammo point. And I took the liberty of going over there to look. And the area is really compact. It was gravel. It popped that down pretty hard. You could barely make out a Humvee track. And mind you, Humvee is a couple tons there. So there was no footprints, nothing. And I could clearly see

that to the back end of that connex is, you know, it just went off towards a ravine. And at that other end of the connex, I remember that the lights from the building barely lit up that area. I never recall seeing the individual walking out from behind there. And it took me a little while to finally come to realization I saw what I saw. I witnessed a Sasquatch walk off that hill. Yeah, it's interesting, too. The conics that you described, what would you say? They're about seven, seven and a half feet up? Oh, no, they're pretty tall. They're almost eight feet up in the air. So these are conics as you will see normally on the back of a semi. They're tall. So me being, you know, I can reach over seven feet easy.

And so what do you think this thing was? About eight feet? You said its head was almost even with it? Yeah, it was, its head was looking down. So it had to be over eight feet tall. And what did you think at the time, James? I mean, were you just trying to process everything? thing or, because there's no way this could have been a person. I mean, unless the tallest basketball player ever showed up, you know what I mean? Remember two, my CEO was taller than me. You know, whenever I went and talked to him, I had to look up. I was, I was kind of, I'm not going to say I was in shock, but I was just confused and bewildered.

And I'm like, you know, first I was thinking, who's this knucklehead out here doing land nav, you know, because he didn't have a math. We didn't, you know, everything you used. see someone doing land nav with it. They didn't have battle rattle, didn't have a weapon, nothing. And I'm like, man, this guy's lost, and then I'm just watching and watching. I'm like, I can't believe what I'm seeing.

And it took me a little while to really come to conclusion that I saw what I saw. Yeah, I would imagine. Do you think it went off into the ravine because it never came back out, did it? It kind of walked behind that thing. It could have very well went off in the ravine or walked up the hill at the other. in where there was barely any light. Yeah, it's so bizarre, man. As you and I were talking off the air,

I've talked to a lot of guys on military bases, and they always have some encounter. It's like the one I was telling you when they were doing winter survival, and he ran into one, and then he put up his rifle to it, and as he's sitting there, you know, he's just going in his training. His training's kicking in, but then he stops and goes, I don't have any live ammo. I just basically can make a large sound.

You hear a lot of this stuff. Did you tell anyone about this? At first I didn't. You know, I was 24 at the time, you know, immature, new in the Army pretty much still. So I kept it for myself for many years. And I believe I eventually I told my dad and I told some friends. I got friends. I have a master's divinity.

I have friends in the field of theology. and biblical studies and stuff. And we talk about Genesis and whatnot, but I told them my story. Some of them don't believe me, but I've come to the point. I'm 47 now. I don't care if people believe me or not. What do you think that Sasquatch is?

Because I would imagine you took time to actually start looking into this and thinking about this incident over the years. What do you think that Sasquatch is, James? Well, my background with this subject matter dates back when I was eight or nine years old. When I was a little kid, my father took us to the library. I remember coming back, he had a couple books and no at least one book about Sasquatch, Bigfoot. And I remember seeing the Leonard Nimoy in search of it, like many of your listeners and your guests on your show have testified to.

but I've always, looking at the Patty film, I just assume, in my opinion, that a Sasquatch is another type of primate, like our great apes, the gorilla, the ring of tang, the chimpanzee. I don't think there are anything else is just another form, but have adapted better to the environment, where they're able to walk up a little bit more upright.

Their feet are more apt to walk in the terrain that they have to walk in. But then you think, again, you know, the mountain gorilla, it's pretty much the same kind of terrain. A lot of hills, very tough terrain. So their feet are still, you know, the fifth appendage or the big toe is off to the side, more like a hand. But evidently, Sasquist, has been able to adapt and formulate its behaviors to its environment.

Yeah, that's interesting. I always laugh when people say, oh, there's no way the government's covering this up. And, you know, your encounter is pretty mild, but I've had a lot of encounters on bases. And, you know, if the government wants to pass off your, you know, housewife, your hunter, your cop, you're this, a little harder to pass it off when it's happening on your military bases.

and you're trying to, you know, I just laugh, I tell people, you're telling me that they don't know that these things are out there. I mean, I've had MPs on before, and I've talked to them privately that have seen these things. There's a base out in California, and while a long time ago, I had an MP on. He said these things run across the base all the time, and any more, they just look the other way. They're like, oh, don't worry about it. You know, and it's... I can imagine Fort Lewis is that way. Yeah.

A lot from Fort Lewis. Absolutely. Yeah. My, the first report I ever heard about a big foot on military insulation is Fort Gordon. A guy, a civilian, worked on that insulation. And it was at a range. It was at the back end of the range and walked into one. I never thought when I read that one, I started looking up some other areas.

Like, I went to basic training in Fort Minterwood. And there are reports there too. And I kind of like, you know, oh my gosh. I went to the field out there in basic training. and spent several nights out there. And I'm just kind of amazed at their easy access. But yet, again, like I told you today on our first phone call, military insulations, you have your garrison area

where everybody lives and works constantly. But like Fort Knox, it's in four different counties. And there's a lot of places out there. People can get lost, easy. So things can be hidden out there. And, you know, the other thing I laugh about people, you know, I've never seen anything in the woods, you know, why we have a body? And my thing is, you know, I grew up. My family comes from West Virginia.

I grew up in Norfolk, Virginia Beach. And I would visit my grandparents in the summer. And when I was a teenager, I'd go up in hills and the woods walking around all the time. And then here where I live in Kentucky, there's national parks. I've been to those places. I walk up in the woods often. I see deer, you know, when I'm up there in the woods. But the only time I ever see skunks, raccoons, possums, stuff like that, are dead on the side of the road.

I don't, I never see them in the woods. Yeah, it's definitely a mystery, man. It's definitely a mystery. And like I said, it just amazes me that it happens more on military basis than you would anticipate. just like you were saying with Fort Knox, I mean, up here at Fort Lewis, you know, in Washington State, you're talking thousands of acres of land. I mean, you can see the whole base,

and it's nothing but forest before you actually come to the base entrance. And I know the area well. Right. And when you say you can get lost out there, absolutely, man. You can get lost out there on that base. Yeah. But it's fascinating, and I really appreciate you coming forward and sharing what happened to you, James.

Thank you again. Thank you, Wes, for having me. Welcome, Sean, to the show. Sean, thanks for coming on. I appreciate you having me. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know your encounter took place in Georgia. And we were talking about Christopher Tompkins and him disappearing, him being part of a survey crew that disappeared.

And you were in that area. If you would, would you just kind of start from the beginning and tell us about this area. What were you doing and kind of walk us into everything that happened? I was working for a company that the reason we were there, we were doing mojays, and it was for a track of land that meat paper owned. Not all of their trees on their property do they turn into paper pulp. A lot of it they sell off to construction or furniture companies and things like that. And they'd been having a lot of tree loss due to pine beetles. they can kill off trees pretty quickly, especially when, you know, you have just forests full of, you know,

replanted and regrown pine trees. There's a lot of food for them. So we got hired to go in and do that with the crew. And if you want me to explain a little bit about what a Moje is, I can. I don't know if you want me to do that or not. Yeah, you can. Feel free. What a Moje is, you take a drill and you tap into the tree. about 112 of its diameter, equal spacing about six times around the tree. And you can inject anything from iron if it has chlorosis problems, which is ion deficiency, to insecticides and fungicides, pretty much. We were obviously going to be using an insecticide.

But laws are really particular about mojades. You can't leave the capsules laying on the ground. You can't leave them in the trees. You have to clean up. you know, relatively quickly after each application. So it was about three days before the job was going to start, and I drove out from the office to meet the meet contact. He was going to, he was pretty much the point of contact for the meat company.

And he had sent me a text message, and he was running about 10 minutes late. So I pulled off the paved road, turned on to the dirt, logging road. And I was waiting about halfway down. And the tree line starts about 12 feet on either side of the road. We're going to be doing areas on both sides of the road. The road itself is maybe about 1.2, 1.3 miles total. I was about halfway down. And it wasn't dark. It was about maybe 520-ish, but it was dark enough in the wood area for the headlights to automatically turn on in our trucks. So I decided I would drive down because I know it opens up into a turnaround spot where logging trucks would load up and, you know, things like that.

That's where we were going to be parked. So I decided to drive on down because it opened up more. It was, you know, a bigger clearing. And I wanted to do that. So when I saw him coming, I could just pull and meet him and our driver's sides could be next to each other. So we wouldn't have to get out because I didn't want to go walking around this close to dark in an area I've never been in, really. And to be honest, I don't know how to explain it. But while I was sitting halfway down that road, I just started to not feel, I didn't really feel right.

I don't want to say I was scared or nervous or anything, but I guess the best feeling, I can compare it to is if you're watching a movie, a scary movie, and you know a jump scare is about to happen. You just know it's about to happen. So you're kind of getting ready for it. That's kind of how I felt, just really anxious, I guess. So I drove down, turned and just backed up down that way. And the bed of my truck was backed up against the mounds that they had cleared this area off. They pushed the dirt and grass root particles up in the mounds towards the backside of this clearing here. And I'll just describe it. Imagine you're a clock. The clearing itself is the clock. My truck is at about 5.30 with the front end of my truck facing 12 o'clock, which would be

where that dirt road is. It comes into the clearing. So my driver's side was, you know, anything over from from 6 o'clock on the clock towards the driver's side. And then from about 5 o'clock going up to 12 to be on the passenger side. I heard a really loud snap. and my first thought was, it must be, you know, a rotten, rotten pine tree limb or something from where these beetles have been causing this damage. I didn't really pay much mind to it. But I heard what best can be described as someone who was running on a hard compacted floor, but they had oversized shoes on. So it was like flop, plop, plop, plop, plop, plop, plop. And it was loud.

So I put my arm on the passenger seat. and, you know, turn around and look through the rear view mirror. And over top of this mound, I could see 60% of this tall pine tree swaying back and forth. It was the only one that was doing it because these trees are pretty much in rows. You know, and you'd be able to see them easily if they all were being blown or what have you. So I didn't really feel comfortable with that. As I told you earlier, I had a couple things in Utah. that I experienced when I was going to college out there.

I'm originally from Alabama, but I didn't have anything to where I could definitively say, okay, I know a Bigfoot exists because of what I saw in Utah. So at this point, I didn't really know anything, never experienced anything. That would be definitive. And all of a sudden, I heard, I mean, it was clear as day. It was three whoops. It was who, who, who, who, who, who, like that. A long one, kind of a middle one, and then a super short one.

And it was about, I don't know, it was off towards the driver's side about maybe 9 o'clock over in that area. And I just kind of rolled my window down more because I was having a cigarette, rolled it all the way down. And this was mid-late February around in that time. And all of a sudden I just got, the trucks started getting pelted with, I mean, they were, it wasn't like rapid fire or anything, but consistently every couple of seconds, tiny, either they were acorns or little bits of gravel, like tiny, tiny pieces that you

would use on a gravel road is what it sounded like, just hitting the bed of the truck. Think, think. About that time, it was getting really uncomfortable for me. This guy hadn't showed up yet. That stuff was happening, and I heard a shriek off behind me from where I thought, rocks are coming from and it was really close. I've never heard, I mean, I'll do the best I can at it. I hope no one makes none of me for it. But it sounded like a, like that, except it was really loud and it was piercing and very throaty, not guttural, but throaty. So I cranked the truck up. My

my lights were already on. I was just listening to the radio. And I saw movement from where the whoops came from over in that area. They weren't right at the tree line, but it was still dusk enough to see, to see dark figure moving. I can't tell you how tall it was, you know, but I started to leave. And when I got down the road to where it turns back into a paved road, my me guy was waiting for me there. So we stopped and talked a little bit. Midway through the conversation, he said, hey, I apologize.

I really hate coming down this area. And, you know, I knew what just happened to me. So I asked him, you know, what was up with it. And that's when he told me about Chris Tompkins. I'd never heard the story before. I was, you know, out in Utah going to college at the time. And just didn't, it wasn't really national news, I guess. I didn't know anything about it.

This was in 2011. And he told me that story. And I told him, what I just heard back there. And he told me that one time in the path, when he was coming down the same road, he saw a large animal, I'm quoting him, large animal,

it strided across the road on two feet, two legs. And as soon as it made it into the tree line, it jumped down on all fours, like you would imagine just a four-legged animal doing, going from two to four leaping, and then just strolled off. into the forest. And he didn't,

he didn't really, I don't want to say forest. It's woods. And that was the only experience he told me about. But, um, come back, you know,

the first, we start three days later, there's really nothing that goes on, um, for the first three days. Um, the survey crew, uh,

they, they would leave their boxes of tree ribbons where they're going to mark the trees for us to do. down in the clearing because that's where we all would park. They would come and ask, have we been messing with their ribbons? And we didn't have any reason to mess with their ribbons. We don't need them. And I'll just get to the really startling part, I guess.

And that was when one day, it was when they asked us if we had taken their boxes, ribbons. And we told them no. And they had only marked off about 10, 15 trees. And we had a 14 crew doing it. and they had to go back and they said they would come back later in the day to finish marking the trees for us to come in in the morning because we tried to get there about 7.30. It was me and one other guy because I sent the other people home,

the other technicians who would do the mojays, because we didn't need the whole crew. We didn't need that many man hours being wasted in this one area. They could go and take care of other projects. We also did residential lawn care, fertilizer, insecticides, things like that, tree and shrub services for residential houses. This company is in all 50 states. If you're in a city that's of marginal size, you're going to, you'd be able to find it in your phone book or on Google. So it was me and one other guy, and we're going to finish knocking out the trees that we

had left. It was, it was getting pretty close to time for us to get off anyway. We were maybe, maybe 400 yards from the clearing where it cleared out in there. And all of a sudden, we started hearing those whoops again and that shriek. And my partner asked me if I knew what it was, and I really did not know. But I said, I think it's time for us to clean up and start getting out of here. So we're picking up these Mojie capsules off the ground because you don't want the product in them, getting in the water supply or ground supply or animals picking them up and using them for nests or trinkets or whatever they would do with them.

Like I said, there's state laws that govern how you're supposed to pick them up in those of them. So we're cleaning these things up and hear that shriek again that I did earlier. And it sounded like it was maybe half a football field away. We start pacing it back to the truck. It was me and him rode together. and all of a sudden I hear like a whistle sound and it comes, I mean it's super close to me.

If you know what these Moseys look like, you'll know that one end of them gets pierced so there's a hole in it where the fluid can flow into the tree. What I was hearing was one of these things being thrown really hard through the air. I don't want to say it was thrown at us because I know that they, you know,

they might be able to hit us if they wanted to, I'm sure. but it was distinctively one of these things that we were putting in the trees that they were throwing at us. So we booked it back to the truck. We sat there. We heard some vocalizations. But the only tree not that we heard when we were leaving, as the truck had passed where the clearing is, and that's where, as we were driving away, I mean, our windows were down obviously, because what was happening was absolutely crazy.

we heard three distinct wood knocks as we left. That was mine and his experience there. And we had a few other things happen, like I told you, the email. They're not nearly as dramatic or scary as that. And what you've got to understand is I'd never experienced anything like this before. I thought a bunch of things was going on. Maybe somebody was screwing with us. Obviously the thought of, well, maybe,

maybe this Bigfoot thing is real and we're pretty much in some danger here because this area is no more than three miles from where Chris was working on his survey crew. You know, every couple days the survey guys that were marking this area for us

well let me stop there. After this happened with me and Jim, that was his name, we would find the tree ribbons that they marked. used blue ribbons is what they used. We would find those torn off the trees that were to be

treated, ones that we hadn't drilled yet into, but we were being paid to do. Those ribbons were just scattered around. One day in the morning, it was, I mean, we got there, like I said, about 7.30, and a bundle of them were wrapped together and just, they were sat in the middle of the clearing. And we thought the survey guys were messing with us. They thought we were messing with them. So we finally had a sit down and we told them we hadn't touched any of those ribbons. And, you know, we asked them that they were messing with us. And everybody concluded that everybody was on the up and up and nobody was messing with one another. Towards the end of the job, we noticed the trees that we had been treating. And this had been maybe three weeks now since the

first ones we started. It wasn't quite a month yet. not all of them, but a good number of them had been pushed completely over is the best way to describe it. They weren't cut down with an axe or a saw or a chainsaw. They were either pushed or pulled over because they all had breaks about the same length up. I mean, there were some deviations, but most of them, I mean, they were broke like if somebody pushed them. And these weren't small pine trees. There were a good seven, eight-inch diameter pine trees that had been completely pushed and was only ones that we had our plugs in, the ones that we had tapped to inject with this beetle killer. Those were the only ones.

And like I said, it wasn't all of them, but it was a good number of them. And we finished about 70% of the job in my need contact. He said, you know, we did a great job all things before. it sure was a weird job. Sometimes that happens. And I asked them what they were going to plan on do if we were going to, I wanted to get another sale if we could come back in a few months and finish up the job, that other 30%.

And he said that they're just going to let the land sit for a while. And I don't want that to sound nefarious or anything, like they knew what was going on because it's pretty, it's common to let trees that have been treated sit before you do anything with them. But, you know, with what he had told me before, I'm sure his survey guys had told them, you know, these tree guys are fucking with our ribbons here. But eventually they stopped using the ribbons and they went to blue spray paint.

And that's when the trees that had already been ribboned had them all pulled off. We started seeing some trees pushed over. We had a couple drills that we would go to lunch. We'd leave our equipment. We'd all, you know, driving one or two trucks. instead of the three to four that we arrived in. And we had a couple drills get broken on separate days, not on the same day. And you've got to use a lot key to get these drill bits out.

And I'm talking bent drill bits, like, not completely like you'd see an Iron Man, you know, bend a big piece of rebar, but, I mean, they were bent. And I know I couldn't do it, but it took some strength to do that. Yeah, it's strange. know. It's really strange. What did you think was going on at the time? I mean, it's like one strange occurrence after another, and you guys are working in this area. And I've heard strange stories like this from guys in the lumber industry. They'll tell me a lot of strange stuff, very identical to what you're saying. But what did you think was going on at the time, Sean? My first thought,

I mean, my first thought was it was a person who was, especially with me, in there. That was the first time I had been in this area, and it was, I mean, I wish I could take a picture and show you what it looks like right now here, because, I mean, it's a little bit later, but it was also in February, so it might be similar, comparable daylight, but it was dark like it is now, but in the woods. And my first thought was, you know, if anybody's ever watched Scooby-Doo, we all learned early on that the real monsters are people. just wearing masks. So I thought it was somebody in the woods, you know, messing with me.

Don't know how they knew I was going to be down there, but that's what I thought. Because like I said, it was either acorns or tiny, tiny little rocks being pelted at the bed of the truck. And, you know, then that whooping, I can make a pretty good whoop. I don't know how good I would have been, you know, in 2011, never trying it before trying to mimic it. But, I mean, it was a whoop. But that shriek was throaty. It was very piercing. And the only thing, I mean, I didn't even think about it, but later on,

the only thing looking back that would be able to make that, maybe would be an owl or something like that. But I've heard shriek owls. And it was a 120, it had to be 120 at least pound shriek owl to make that kind of noise. It had to be the biggest bird ever. And I just don't think that's what it was. After he told me what he had seen down the road, you know, I don't just, you know, I don't believe everything I hear. But that's when I started thinking, okay, we were out, you know, camping up on North Ogden Canyon Road. And I heard some of these noises.

And people back then said, oh, that's a Sasquatch. I didn't necessarily believe it, but I'd heard it. And then I started to replay things that happened a couple of years in the past. And part of me didn't want to believe that Bigfoot could live down here. You know, you hear those stories from the Cascades, and up in Alaska and Canada and parts of Utah, not down at the base end of the Appalachian Trail. I mean, we've got a bunch of trees, a bunch of hills, a bunch of water sources, I guess, but it's not really at altitude like you normally hear.

So I really didn't know what to think, I guess. And really, looking back, that's the scariest part, not knowing exactly what's going on or having an inkling of it. Can I ask you, I want to be careful on, I hope this comes across the right way because someone died, and so I kind of want to walk in eggshells around this subject. But what do you think happened to Christopher Tompkins? Because he just, like, vanished. I mean, literally just he was there one second and then he was gone. and there's an early, it's like he just vanished into thin air.

Well, what do you think actually happened to him? Well, I mean, if you look at the facts of the case, he was on a survey crew, just like these guys who were surveying, you know, laying out these tree lines for us to do. And, I mean, I saw him work first-hand. I mean, they stay 30, 50 feet apart from each other, and they have. out. They were just, you know, they walk into straight lines. That's what they do. We could see him working when we were working on the trees.

They could look over and see us. I mean, Chris completely disappeared. No one heard a sound of commotion, him yelling. A few, off in the woods, they found one of his boots by barbed wire fence. I think they, I believe it was 12 cents they found. and I believe a pen. And then a couple years later, they found his other boot

on this rural landowner. He had a lake. They found one of his boots there. And if you keep going, draw a straight line from where he went the fence, the lake, all the way back to these woods.

It's all within a pretty straight line. And it leads it all the way back to this area that we were, we were doing Moseza. And like said, it couldn't have been more than three miles. It just can't be a really close area. And in order for something, I mean, either he wanted to disappear, which his mom and family, I've never spoken to them ever,

but from the things that, you know, they've said in newspaper articles and things like that, he had a very level, level-headed person, wasn't into drugs, didn't have criminal history or anything like that. He was just a good guy. I don't think he would want to disappear. He had a pretty good paying job. Surveyors make, I mean, you know, it's not a doctor or anything, but it's a pretty good job for this area. And so that only leaves him being abducted by something. don't mean abducted in the term of like alien sense, but something big knew exactly what to do

to make sure a grown man didn't make a single sound and there was no commotion with him being drug off. And he had to have been drug off because they would not have been able to find the 12 cents. But imagine if you wear blue jeans, work jeans, you got your big boots on and how are contents in your pocket going to be dropped on the ground. You're going to have to be picked up by your legs or drug by your legs through the barbed wire fence. Something strong had to do that, and they had to have known exactly what to do, and they had to be extremely quick at it because, I mean, searchers were on the scene.

They realized he was gone and notified people. I believe it was within an hour. I know it was at 1 p.m. is when they called people, just by doing my own research into it. So it was pretty quick. People were on soon. And like I said, they couldn't find a drag trail. Like, well, yeah, I mean, we're talking. I believe he went missing in late January, I believe.

And so, you know, it was wintertime down south. We don't have snow, but we do have a bunch of pine trees. And I mean, there's pine trees everywhere. There's pine needles everywhere. There's last year season of pine needles on the ground, and seasons before that. you'd be able to tell, I mean, if I gave you a 50-pound bag of rice and told you to drag it through the woods, we'd be able to immediately tell that you drug a bag of rice through the woods.

And they could not see where somebody had been drugged off, which just blows my mind. Yeah, it's a sad case. It's a bizarre case. And my heart goes out to the family, too. You know what I mean? It's, I want to be careful and not say Sasquatch did it, because, again, Chris is dead. But it's just bizarre, man. It's a bizarre case. And I know you and I talked about some other cases off the air.

I want to ask you, though, Sean, what do you think Sasquatch is? I know you've been looking into it now since this encounter. What would you say? What do you think Sasquatch is? Well, I firmly believe that it is a flesh and blood animal just like, you know, just like we are or anything else that is less. living on this planet. I don't believe that it's a supernatural entity or a spiritual entity. And I know a lot of people do, and I don't want to poo-poo on what they believe, but I didn't experience

anything like that, anything supernatural. I didn't, and then I can go into more specifics if you want, but for me, I didn't see the entire time we were there, including the first time that I had anything happen. I never experienced the eye glow or eye shine, not once. And we were using some lights. I mean, especially that first time, didn't see any eyeshine. And the night that me and Jim had the plug, the injector capsule thrown at us and heard the whistling and all, when we got in the truck,

as we drove, we were parked, again, like towards where that mound would be, towards the back end of it. And as we were driving off, we saw peeking right next to where the clearing turns into the road to get out of there. We saw peeking back. I mean, it was bobbing to our left, so it was coming around on its right side of the tree, bobbing in and looking at us. And the headlights, bam. I mean, hit the top of the head, hit the top of the head. no eye shine whatsoever at all.

And so I decided, you know, I wanted to look into that. Eyeshine is caused by a membrane called the Taitum lucidum. And only certain species of animals have that. Your cats have that. They tend to glow green, but some can grow into the yellows and oranges, wolves and urserines. The canines and ursare common ancestor back in the past. There's tend to glow the same color, more oranges, red, same with coyotes, a lot of red eyes.

The color of that eye shine is directly correlated to the amount of zinc that are in the pigmentation receptors. I can't remember if it's more or less zinc determines which colors which, but I know the levels of zinc determine eyeshine. Primates, humans, the only eye shine we have is when we take pictures. I'm sure you've heard of red eye. that happens because the pigmentation of our irises reflect red. But the mass of our eye where the sclera is does not reflect light. Interestingly, no other great primate, great apes, your gorillas, bonobos, chimpanzees, none of them have eyes shine because none of them are nocturnal animals.

Typically, your nocturnal animals are the ones who have this membrane. And how it works is when our eyes receive light, it's a bit of them. absorbed immediately and transmitted to our brain so we can get images and that's how our vision works. Animals with this membrane, the light gets recirculated around in the aisle, which allows them to see better in the dark. It doesn't get absorbed immediately. So there's only a very few species of primates that are nocturnal. Those are your lemurs, your ayes, your bush babies. They all are from Central and South America. They're all very tiny compared to chimpanzee and us. and Bigfoot. They experience

eyeshine. They all have oversized eyes. In my belief, I think that just like everything else, there's probably different species of bigfoot's. There would have to be because that's how genetic drift works. I mean, that's how

evolution works. Isolated tribes of animals are going to evolve to have different traits. But from what I saw, I saw absolutely no eyeshine. It was they didn't create their own light and they were not reflecting the light that I was shining. Similarly to if you were in the woods and someone, well, we'll put it some different way, if you were looking into the woods and there was a person

and you shine the light, you're not going to notice an eye shine like if it was a cat or a wolf or coyote. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it would appear the same way, and that's exactly what I saw. I saw primate eyes that fit every example of what we have in the fossil record and current living record for primates. I saw no eye shine. Now, it doesn't mean that it hasn't evolved to be a nocturnal, large primate, because that's very possible that, you know, You know, these are smart animals. They've gone this long without being 100% detected and hunted off, which I'm sure is something that they are concerned about.

So they're, you know, they've clearly evolved in different ways, but I do not believe that they're supernatural and create their own light. So you think it's more of a non-human primate? Yeah, I mean, you know, we're primates too, genetically speaking. We're just as much primate as a chimpanzee is, but we're just evolutionarily different. So I believe that they're 100% in the same family that we are, the primates, but they must have evolved to have different traits based on the areas that they were in, which is what you would expect to see anyway. But for me, I didn't experience anything supernatural.

I have no phasing, no telepathy or mind speech. or, you know, anything like that, I did not experience that at all. And that leads me to conclude that they must be flesh and blood just like, you know, just like our house cats and everything else. They're just animals. And that leads them to being dangerous. You know, all animals are dangerous. And, you know, there's a few times where, you know, I was extremely concerned,

but we didn't have anything violent like savage happened to us while we were there. I didn't, you know, but yeah, look at back on it. I always wonder if our guys were in any kind of danger. Because we always tried to leave together. I mean, you know, it wasn't like, all right, we'll see you later, Bob, you know, see you back at the office. Now, we all loaded our stuff up together and we all left together every night. We all went to lunch together.

we didn't leave anybody out there just by themselves. But looking back on it and knowing what I know now about the Chris case, I mean, it would take a lot to push pine tree over. You know, and we were treating trees that there was no point for us to drill into a tree and treat it if it was already dead. It's a waste of our needs money. It's a waste of our time. So we treated trees that had damage that weren't dead.

We knew that our chemicals would kill it and save the tree. And they were pushing over trees that we'd treated, which means they were moderately helped the trees. And there's no way, I mean, there's no way that four of us, we couldn't hook a, we couldn't hook a chain around it and pull one of these trees over with our trucks. I firmly believe that we could not have done that. Yeah, it's still unnerving, though. you know, when you're out on a job site like that and just weird things are happening to you. And then when you read about what happened to Chris and here you guys are in the same area and, you know, trees are getting pushed over, things are being thrown at you, you're hearing vocalizations.

It's obviously keeping an eye on you if it's peeking around a tree as you're pulling out. It's very unnerving. It's very unnerving. And it makes me question what happened to Chris. It really does. It's a great encounter. And I really appreciate coming on and sharing it. Sean,

thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show and share what happened to you in this area. No problem. I appreciate

you having me on. It was, like I told you, I haven't, it's a part of my life that I wanted to talk about because, you know,

it was time to get it off my chest, what I had experienced because I think that we could do a lot of good researching these animals and, you know,

I'm not saying we should capture them or anything like that, but, but we need to do, to research them because people need to know what's really going on. People need to know how dangerous they are. They need to know, you know, just the idea that we have people who have such a wide range of beliefs about what views are, what they're capable of, what their intentions are. It would be good for everybody if we knew or could research further. This is their

traits. This is their habits. This is what they want. This is what they can do. This is how they evolved. That way we can steer clear of them if we need to. People can be safer when they go out and enjoy the woods. And hopefully we can, you know, implement conservation tactics that would preserve their habitats as well. Yeah, I hear you. There's so much to it. You know, there's so much to it. And until it comes out that these things are actually out there, you know, until someone acknowledges the fact that they're out there, I don't think we'll get to any of those points. but I understand where you're coming from on it. And I appreciate you coming on again, ma'am. Yeah, thank you. Anytime.

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