Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:537 Do Not Point A Weapon At These Things

Episode Date: April 27, 2019

Dylan writes "Wes, I want to tell you about an experience that I had with Bigfoot around Lena Lake in Washington state in the Olympic National Park. It was during a camping trip that I had with my dad and the interaction occurred while we were sleeping in our hammocks. We both awoke to what I first assumed was a bear because of the breathing noise it made. It wasn't until I looked through the gap in my tarp that I realized that the creature was standing and had arms. This camping trip was cut a little short because of some other concerns that we had while we were hiking. My dad and I only spoke once about this the next morning and after he told me that he was convinced that we had a bear problem I decided not to tell him what I saw. Shoot me an email if you'd like to hear more about the experience and why we decided to cut our trip short. To this day I haven't told anyone about the encounter because I've always thought of Bigfoot as a dumb joke and I never wanted to sound like a hypocrite to my friends."   My second guest is Joe. Joe writes "Hi Wes, I'm from Ohio. I'm a huge fan of your show and I have been wrestling with the idea of mailing you and telling my story. But I guess if I'm going to tell anyone (outside my family) it would be you. Im an avid outdoorsman and have been spending as much time in the woods hunting, fishing, and hiking since I was six years old. My brother and I started out as our fathers hunting dogs, tromping on brush piles kicking up rabbits and pheasant for our dad and I've been hooked ever since. My Bigfoot story starts a few years back when we started hunting a new lease. Our second season in, It started out with hearing what sounded like someone talking far off in the woods , but you just couldn't make it out. Which seemed odd but there are some(not many) but some people who live around the area. I brushed it off the first time, then a few days later my brother and I went hunting again and I heard the same thing, I was beginning to wonder what it was and was going to tell my brother about it, but I didn't have to say anything to him. When I came out of the woods that evening he meet me at the truck and the first thing he said was "did you hear those people talking?" Not wanting to tip my hand I said I thought I did but couldn't make it out,,, and he said "yeah same here. But it got kinda close and it was like they were talking gibberish!" That ride home was spent talking about what we both heard and then I introduced him to ur show. He wasn't sure what he wanted to believe but he was about to get on board really soon. We both hunt pretty often and two weeks later we had both been to the woods multiple times and each had a few more "odd" things go on. A few more talking episodes a whoop or two a rock clacking incident, a few weird things but nothing that was definitively anything. All could possibly be explained away essentially. Then one morning about 3weeks after the initial incidents I had a work commitment and couldn't join my brother in the woods. At about 530-6 in the morning I get a call from my brother, hoping nothing went wrong as I knew he'd be walking into his stand I answered and he immediately sounded upset. After a few minutes of calming him down, I finally got it out of him that something had "screamed at him as he was almost to his stand". My brother is a tough guy, always was the bigger brother, my protector. And I had never heard him sound as scared as he was in that call. He told me it was like nothing he had ever heard before, it sounded like it was wanting to rip him apart he said. He also said there was something that sounded like grunting and growling together after the screaming, he said he could feel it shaking in his chest. He wanted to run, and hide all at the same time. He chose getting up in his stand and waiting on the sun to rise. He called me from his stand. He made me stay on the phone with him until he was ready to walk out.. I should probably mention that this is taking place in mid October. Ohio's hunting season starts the last weekend of sept and my second time in the stand(which was day two of the season) is when this all began. It had been a pretty wet year so the majority of the leaves and foliage were still hanging on. My brothers stand was in a pretty thick area of our property. So as I tried to keep him calm and quiet and have him listen for things moving around him. Suddenly as we were on the phone he heard something and shushed me and said he thought he heard something. It was approaching that point in the morning when the woods seem to suddenly appear b4 ur eyes, that special morning time. Suddenly he panicked and said something exploded out of some brush about 75yds away and sounded like a freight train going thru the woods,, luckily going away from him and not towards the car. He waited till he couldn't hear anything else and high tailed it outta there. A few days later after the shock of it all kinda subsided we went back to our land and tried to find some signs of the thing. Other than a few broken branches there wasn't much and needless to say my brother, who I credited for even going back, wasn't wanting to stay real long. So we got his stand and left the area. We stayed outta the woods for a few days, but the rut was about to start and we couldn't stay away forever. We're just to big of hunters and as I was thinking about it and discussing it, my brother and I convinced ourselves that if whatever made those screams wanted to hurt him it could have done whatever it wanted. It was probably just a warning. So we decided to give whatever it was that side of the property and we'd move to another part of the lease and just be careful. So back to the woods we went. A few hunts later, about a week or so, I was in my stand enjoying a beautiful afternoon. Now the woods at this time end of October early November are starting to thin out a little bit. It was one of those days when a strong breeze makes it look like it's snowing leaves. It was about the last hour or two of the day when I heard it again,, the chatter. Only this time it was a little higher pitched than I remembered. I was on full alert at this point, then I started to hear something that sounded like it was approaching,, but it just didn't sound right.. now my stand sits on top of ridge there's about 30yds of flat(that is loaded with oaks) then it goes into valleys on either side. On my left which is the side my stand is on,, on the hillside there is two natural shelves one about 20ish yds down (which by the way the bucks love to cruise and scent check) and another about 50-60yds down. I can always see the closer shelf but the further one down is hard to see because of all the brush. But I do have two shooting lanes cut down there for gun season. Anyway just laying out what I'm looking at. So like said I could hear something coming my way but sounded weird. As I'm studying the woods the chatter and sounds start to become clearer. The chatter sounded like two monkeys chitchatting and the sounds seemed to be coming from the up in the trees and something walking on the ground. Suddenly I swore I could see the trees moving out in front of me to left. And it seemed as soon as I thought I was seeing that, I heard a noise I never heard in my life. It was like a grunt and huff and deep bark all rolled into one. And after that everything went silent. It was eerily quiet, no sound no movement nothing. Sat for what seemed like an eternity, probably two minutes lol,, but then the wind started moving and as a bigger gust came along the leaves began snowing again and I heard it again only in two tsk tsk sounds and at that point I heard some limbs breaking and what sounded like two tree stumps landed with two distinct thuds and was followed by two clearly running down the hill sounds. I never saw what made that noise but definitely sounded like two separate things running away and wasn't bounding away like deer or anything else in the woods I had ever heard b4. Those ended kinda quickly. After the initial shock of that my attention immediately turned to what made the deeper grunts and tsk sounds. It sound like it came from the lower shelf but out in front of me. I studied and studied the woods for anything!! Any sort of something wrong in the woods, any sound any movement anything. Then the usually bane of my existence in the woods, the squirrels that seem to constantly run all around my stand came again. One of those furry bastards came from the other side of the flat and started down the other side towards the sounds. I was looking at the squirrel,, staring in the direction of the noises when suddenly the squirrel, which had got pretty close to where I thought the sounds came from, shot up a tree and immediately began barking his head off. As I again began studying the woods I caught the slightest movement.. a movement that changed my life. I finally remembered I took my crossbow that day instead of my usual compound, so I slowly raised and looked through my scope and saw it. A hand, just a hand that was wrapped around a big oak holding on. I stared at it and stared. Not believing it at first I looked off the scope blinking and looked again and it moved. Repositioning itself very slowly and methodically. I stared into that scope looking on both sides of that tree looking for what that hand was attached to. When suddenly very slowly and methodically a face began to creep around the tree looking directly at me. I was frozen and knew that she was looking at me and immediately knew by her expression that she knew I was seeing her. She looked panicked for a split second then immediately withdrew her face. At this point I'm in a state of disbelief not believing what my eyes just saw. It was dark skinned and had longer hair hanging down on the face but not very much hair on the face. I continue to stare down at the tree. When she moved her face back she also pulled her hand back. I sat there looking intently for what I instantly knew what I had saw. There was no mistaking it. Finally the long wait was interrupted by a loud clacking sound. Like someone taking two rocks and banging them together rapidly. It came in three quick bursts and was followed by a quick higher pitched whistle. This definitely got my and the attention of the mother that was below me. She made a sound like she was shushing the little ones down the hill. Or what I assume was the little ones. She then peeked her head out from behind the tree and was looking at me again. I instinctively lifted my bow and looked down at her and her face had taken on new much more fierce and clearly was not happy I was there and I assume wasn't happy I was so close to her and her babies. She then stepped from one tree to another,, to another every few minutes whenever the leaves would start falling heavy again. I'd catch glimpses of her and see her for a second or so. she was about 7ft tall and had a bigger but still somehow lean build. I could see breasts on her, which is why I keep calling her mom. Another long pause with her outta sight, but I knew she hadn't left the area. The exact spot she was in she would've had to either drop down a weird drop off which I felt I woulda heard, go back the way she came, or cross thru one of my shooting lanes. I was scanning the area with my scope looking for anything and that's when she stepped into the lane and turned to face me. she was about 80-100yds or so away, and when she did this I was looking at her through the scope and I regret doing that now. I don't know if she took it as aggression but as she stopped and turned she stood there for a sec and then got into a (for lack of a better way of saying it) an aggressive stance and began to growl and show her teeth to me and took two or three steps towards me. I lowered my bow instantly and even went as far as to hang it up on my extendable hanger. As I did that she stopped gave me one more mean look and walked briskly away. I could hear her moving down the hill, I then heard a louder whistle and heard the two (I assume babies) start moving down the hill away from me. They cleared about 400yds of downhill in a matter of seconds and when I could barely hear them I heard a loud grunt and suddenly a giant pop and crashing. Sounded like a larger tree being pushed over and snapping. I felt very shaken and extremely unwelcome instantly. After the woods settled down for a second and I was able to shake the shock and shakes enough to climb down from my stand and made the walk back to the vehicle ASAP. On my way home I tried calling my brother but he and his fiancé were at a function and he wasn't able to answer me, so I left him a message and just hoped he would call me back. He unfortunately didn't and the next morning he went hunting and went down the hill and past where I heard the Bigfoot exit the area I wAs in the night b4. On his stand he finally took some time to check his voicemail and heard my abbreviated story and on his way out was intrigued, searched around for a lil bit, and saw a tree that was broken and fallen. I'll include a picture he took of the tree. It's a tree that for no other reason should have been broken or damaged, as it was a perfectly healthy tree and there were no storms or anything else that could have done what happened to this tree. It has been two years since this has happened and I and my family have still been hunting this land. We have been extra careful and have adopted a live and let live attitude about this property. I and my brother have each shot deer and left them as "presents" for the Bigfoot. We love this piece of land and we also have our children who we bring with us to hunt (but we never let them hunt alone) and we can't help but be hunters and enthusiasts about the search for an unknown species. As we've hunted over the last few years we have both shot deer and have left them over night, only to find significant blood trails that lead to pools of blood, hair everywhere, but no deer. We looked on these as "peace offerings" and haven't ever pushed the issue on finding these deer. We have always had an extra agenda on our minds, and we have had a few more experiences (also floating lights which we were able to get a pic of one) and "things" go on.. but nothing like what I saw that day. I believe that our land is more of a summer into fall location, bcuz as soon as our land loses its leaves and we get into full winter the activity drops off and as full winter hits we lose all activity. We are pretty close to the Tappan Lake region(like two miles or less) which has had its fair share of sightings and claims over the years. And is about 20miles from the famed salt fork state park. I am more than a believer, just like you Wes. I am "knower" that we as humans share this land with an unknown biped. I also believe that our government is definitely aware of these creatures and is actively protecting them, monitoring them, and possibly even protecting and possibly moving them as they see fit. I've saved this last bit for the ending of my message to you as it may be the most unexplainable part of my experiences. This past fall I was in my stand for another hunt when I heard a helicopter approaching. Odd, but not totally extraordinary. But as it came closer I could see the heli beginning to slow down about 3/4 to 1 mile away and began slowly circling a smaller in size area. Suddenly the chopper blades became extremely loud and making an odd but very loud, bum bum bum slow and steady sound as it circled and began lowering. As it started to drop out of sight all of a sudden there was no sound anymore!! Even though I could still see the heli for a few seconds b4 it dropped out of visuals. And when I say no sound I mean no sound whatsoever! Then there was about a 5min gap of zero sound from the area where I knew the helicopter had circled down. I was dumbfounded by all of this, and as u know 5mins in the woods can seem like a day when exciting things are going on. When all of a sudden the extremely loud bum bum bum erupted again and I saw the heli rise up from the same spot. It lasted for about 30 seconds as it slowly rose and circled again then the sound of regular chopper began again and the heli moved around behind and I lost sight of it, but could still hear it and even though I couldn't see it the loud bum bum bum sounds came and went again where I couldn't see it. Only this time I heard something else. As the loud noises came the second time I heard some loud huffs and smaller scream/whooping noises accompanied by crashing and what sounded like something throwing something big and some more crashing noises from out in front of me. For some "visuals".... the heli came from my back and to the left to out in front of me to the left. It then circled back from the same way it came,,, my left and circled behind me to 45degrees to my rear right shoulder. The noises I heard came from in front of my right shoulder about 45degrees. Just so you can picture it...... Now my rational thought immediately tried to explain this away as maybe there was an emergency that an emergency rescue or life flight was being executed. That seems logical as there are boaters, hunters and outdoor enthusiasts in the area. So I began to research that. I have friends who work at the two closest hospitals that would and are able to accommodate life flights and they both looked into the matter and neither had any flights come in within a week b4 or after the date in which this happened. So I struck out to try and find another resident of the area that had heard or saw anything weird. It had been about 4-5 days since the incident and a few people had heard something weird but no one close to where I knew the heli had went down. The area I saw the noise come from was particularly weird. I knew there was a home pretty close to that area and so I went there to try and start a dialogue. I started out as "neighbor" who had just got permission to the neighboring property and was wanting some hunting and property line info. The man and woman were extremely nice and were more than willing to help. We chatted for a about 10mins when I started to put out there that I was hunting another property close by. At the first mention of that there demeanor instantly began to change. We had ventured about 100yds or so from their house as we were chatting. And as i saw their attitude change I immediately decided to drop the bomb on them. I said I was hunting and had saw a helicopter circling around close to their property and they immediately shut down!!! They started walking back to their house and I kept right with them and began asking every question I could about seeing it hearing it, what they saw and everything else I could. They didn't answer a single question. They just kept saying they didn't know what I was talking about and were actively trying to get away from me. I went as far as sticking my foot in the door to keep them from shutting it in my face. The last thing I heard from these people was "we didn't see anything, and if we did we wouldn't tell you!!!" This obviously piqued my interest quite a bit. But I've yet to get any farther with anyone else around the area either....??? So Wes that's my long story. Sorry for the lengthy message but as I was writing you it just kept coming out, and believe it or not I've left out some stuff. If you'd like to chat I'd be happy to, if not I understand. I'm sure you get a lot of people that contact you. Im just happy that there is someone like you who does what you do and helps people out as much as you do. You truly are a much needed outlet for people like us who come away from these encounters and "strange things" not knowing what or how to feel or deal with the stress of it all. Thanks again Wes have a great week."

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show plan for you tonight. We'll be talking to Dylan, and Dylan comes to us from Washington State. He was actually out with his dad. They were out doing a hiking trip, and one of these things came up. They were in their hammocks. and stood over the top of them while they were sleeping. And then we'll go to Joe, and Joe actually had a pretty terrifying encounter with one of these things on this hunting property. A lot of weird things have been happening on this property, and it wasn't until he got a good look at one.

It stepped out from behind a tree, and he's pointing his bow at it. It's a very, very fascinating account. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquotronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatchronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. And to remind everyone, I will be in Houston on, actually, May 8th. I fly in May 8th. I know we're doing the live show on the 11th.

And then I think we're going to drive up to Dallas. And thinking about doing a meet and greet, it'll probably be me, Tony Merkel, and Bob Gimlin. And I hope to see you guys out there. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Dylan to the show. Dylan, thanks for coming on. Hey, Wes. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I appreciate being here.

I'm really interested to hear this. This encounter that took place in Washington State, kind of take us to that moment. What were you doing and what happened? Yeah, so this experience really happened in June of 2014 in Laino Lake, which is an area in the Olympic National Park. So this was mostly kind of at the beginning of the camping season. And it was right after I had just graduated from high school.

So a little bit before I get into the whole story here, just thought I'd share some background on myself. I've always been an avid outdoorsman and fishermen. In fact, my senior project involved me, become a certified member of my county search and rescue team. and so I had been on several searches for missing persons. I was an avid backcountry hiker. I've also been able to be pretty good with identifying wild game.

And I've probably seen Black Bears more times that I could count. I even remember when I was a kid, my parents having to call fishing game to get one out of our backyard that got stuck. But we decided to take this trip, me and my dad, for a few days after my dad's friend recommended, that we go here to try and climb the Brothers Peak. And the Brothers Peak, it's not really a hardcore climb at all. It's just a really difficult hike, really.

But he did say that we needed to watch out for some wildlife, which is pretty obvious. And, of course, keep our food away from us at night. Now, at the time, I never really believed in Bigfoot. I just thought it was a culmination of a bad drug trip, really, because it sounded so ridiculous to me. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, and my real concern was bears just because it can turn into a hairy situation if you spook one.

So we took off for this trip, and it's important to know, I mean, this is a really steep hike just to get to the lake. So while it's definitely a popular place to go, it's not very trafficked. There's not a whole lot of people that are able to get up there. So we decided to spend three days there at first and hike the brother's peak on the second day. And the first day, we decided to just get up there and make camp. And we sort of picked a place that seemed mostly secluded just because we didn't want anybody bothering us. We were just hanging out. And we made sure, like I said, we kept all of our food 50 yards away from us as soon as we were done eating.

And we tied it up to a tree just because we were. We didn't want to worry about anything coming up on us while we were trying to sleep. And that night, we noticed that there was only three other people that we saw up at the lake. And all three of those groups, I guess, immediately left as soon as they started seeing some rain. My dad and I just had to tie up some tarps around our handbags. But I'm pretty sure just everybody else wasn't prepared for the weather. So we went to bed and everything seemed just fine for the most part, really. It was probably around 2 a.m. that I randomly woke up and I am an extremely heavy sleeper.

And if something wakes me up, it means that there's something wrong. And I immediately started smelling this horrible smell. I mean, absolutely putrid. And I know that black bears and stuff can smell. But they don't smell this bad. And I remember just kind of looking around and then I heard something moving right next to my hammock. It was probably maybe a foot or two above me from what I could tell, just being under a tarp and everything. But the only thing growing through my mind was, oh, my God, there's a bear right next to me.

And I am in possibly the worst position to be in to deal with a bear right now, given that I'm, literally stuck in this hammock. So I grabbed my knife that was just laying right next to me, and I just stayed quiet wondering why the crap would a bear want to come so close to humans when they can smell from so far away, and we didn't have any food near us. But I did look over at the gap in my dad's hammock. I could see him. He was wide awake, and he was just looking at me with that do not move look.

And so me being 18 and kind of angsty, I really wasn't about to become a meal or get attacked by something without really even knowing what it was. So I kind of cranked my head around and I was able to glance underneath the gap in my tarp. And what I saw was something that's baffled me to this day and something I cannot rationalize in my own head because I was just so sure that we were dealing with a bear. and the first thing I noticed was that this thing was standing. And, I mean, bears can do that, sure, but they don't have arms that can lean up against one base of a tree, and the other arm was almost touching the ground. And my next reaction was to try and look for its head, I mean, just to look for a nose or something, and I couldn't find its snout.

And that was when I started realizing that I wasn't dealing with a bear. And I mean, it was dark. I could make out his shape and I could make out the hair for the most part. His face was as far as I could tell pretty flat. But I started just trying to look around and figure out what he was looking at because he was staring at my dad's tarp. And I don't know if I moved or what it was, but it finally just whipped around. and it stared directly at me. And to me it felt like an hour,

but it was probably only five minutes or so of us just staring at each other. And he kind of straightened himself up and he looked at me. And I say he, I don't really know. And probably maybe five minutes go by and this thing just lets out a low-pitched breath. And it just takes off. and the rate that it took off at is just astounding, given that there's fallen trees all over the place. Forest service hasn't come out and cleaned any of this stuff yet.

It's still too early in the season. And it was just gone. And it was almost without a sound. And that's what really shocked me for the most part. And at that point, whatever this was, it was already gone. I was too stunned really to even want to get out of my hammock. And so I just went to bed at this point, hoping that nothing was going to come back. So that was the first interaction with whatever this thing was.

To this day, I'm still convinced it's not a black bear for sure. So the second day, my dad, I woke up. My dad was looking around and I said, what are you doing? And he said, you didn't see that black bear last night? And I looked at him. I was like, ah, that wasn't a bear. And he was like, what are you talking about? Of course it was a bear.

Did you smell it? And I said, yeah. And he was like, no, there's a bear around here. I'm trying to figure out if I can find its tracks. And I said, okay. And at that point, I knew he really didn't see this thing. And I didn't want to say anything just because my dad's the type of person that's not really going to believe in what he would consider nonsense, really. So, and I understand it. But

anyways, we just decided to let the whole thing go. And we went on our hike to get to the brother's peak. And we had been probably hiking, oh, for about two miles. And we were hiking along this riverbed. And as we were hiking, I was, I began to kind of start to get this weird feeling. You know, that feeling with the hairs kind of climbing up on the back of your neck. And everything started getting really, really quiet. And the entire time up to this point, you could hear birds chirping. There were squirrels running around everywhere.

And for about five minutes, everything was dead. silent. And then my dad, who was probably about 20 feet ahead of me, just stopped deadness tracks and me not really understanding why he was stopping. I kept walking until he grabbed me and by my pack and just made me stand still. And then I realized the smell was back. And I started whipping my head back and forth, trying to figure out what it was, trying to figure out what was near us. And my dad just looked at me and he whispered, I think that a bear is following us. And to me, that just sounded ridiculous because bears don't follow people around. It's just unreasonable to assume that, especially black bears.

They don't really want to be around humans for the most part. But it was that gross, beo skunk smell that really set me off and started to make me a lot more nervous than I was the night before when I was more shocked than anything. So at that point, we realized that there was really no way for us to get to the brothers without spooking whatever it was in the woods. So we ended up just turning around and we hiked all the way back to our original campsite. And at that point, given our experience the night before and that we hadn't ran into

anybody else during our hike. We decided that it might be best to just pack our stuff up and head home a day early just because we really weren't prepared to have to deal with bears or whatever was in the woods at that point. So. Yeah, it's terrifying, man. You know, the, and bears have more of a musky smell. Wouldn't you agree with that, Dylan? I mean, they don't smell like skunks. They don't, it doesn't, it stinks, but it doesn't stink like what you're describing. Yeah, even when they're going through mating season, they'll tend to smell a little bit more, but it's more of a musky smell. It's not this putrid odor that was hitting us. I had to hold my breath when I was in my hammock because the smell was just too much for me to handle. Yeah, and it's like I was telling you,

if you talk to a lot of old timers, a lot of old timers, especially miners, they'll tell you all sorts of stories. They'll call them campsite robbers. And I think I was telling me about an encounter where a guy was sleeping in a hammock, I want to say it was Washington State. And he woke up and basically there was two, what he describes as two great apes. One was standing over the top of him, looking at him in the hammock. And the other one was going through his pack and like taking stuff. And, you know, in his description was it was great apes. But I think it's fascinating.

I almost think it was curious. Like, what in the world are you guys doing out here? you know, did you get that impression or did you get an impression like it was ready to harm one of you? No, actually, I mean, exactly what you said. I have to assume that it was curious. I mean, I was holding my knife and when it turned around, I immediately just dropped it because I realized that, I mean, there was just no use. But the fact that it just stood there and was staring at me and he was really just sniffing us, there was these weird low-pitched. noises. I can't really describe it and I can't really do it myself to have it make any sense to you.

But yeah, and I'm not sure if there were others around. I do know that there was this one and then he cocked his head over to a different direction and that's when he took off. But I have to assume that it was just out of curiosity because I really didn't feel too threatened. And I didn't feel threatened until we got to that point in our hike. At that point, I started getting pretty nervous. Yeah, I can imagine. You know, and I've heard them breathe, and the best description I came up with,

I don't know if it's a great description or not, but the best description I came up with was like a sick bear. That's kind of how they breathe, like a sick bear. You know, that real raspy in and out, you know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's pretty much how I would peg it for the most part. Do you still go out there? Do you still do hikes? I mean, I mean, we've gone all over the place since then. I head over to Bumping Lake every

once in a while. I know that you had mentioned some reports about over there. I've never had any issues personally, but we're actually, me and some buddies are going to head back up to Lena Lake again this year. I think that having five of us might be a little bit better, and we're probably going to try and go a little bit later in the summer. I've got a few other friends that are huge bigfoot fanatics and they've asked us to come with them to go bigfoot hunting and all this other stuff and while I go just to amuse them and stuff I the only thing in my mind is why would anybody want to actively coax one out towards them because it just doesn't seem reasonable to me but at the same time I went on these hikes because I just

just feel like there's no way that a person is really going to be able to coax one out. If they're coming, if they're going to come out and see you and show themselves, they're doing it on their own intent. Yeah, I would tend to agree with you. I mean, and I get what you're saying and I understand why people want to go out and look, but it does feel like a little bit like you're going out to coax a grizzly bear to come in. Exactly. You know, which may not turn out for the best for you. I want to ask you how big do you think it was when it was standing over the top you guys? My dad and I are about six foot four and this thing had at least a foot on us. And I mean that that's the best estimate I can give, so probably just over seven feet tall.

But the arm span on this thing was just absolutely out of this world. It was kind of leaning up against the base of this tree and above its head and its other. arm was literally, like I said, it was almost touching the ground, which is, that was when I immediately realized we're not dealing with a bear here. I don't know what this thing is. Yeah, and a bear isn't going to be that curious either. They're not going to come in. They don't have arms that go down to the ground too either, but they're not going to come in and screw with you guys like that, especially with the way you guys are keeping your food up and everything. Yeah, exactly. I mean, we've had bears come around campsites and stuff, but they don't

go anywhere near people, they go straight for the garbage. So that's why I was just so confused as to why this thing was circling around us. We didn't have any food. Yeah, and it may not have been interested in that. I want to ask you, what do you think Sasquatches, Dylan? I mean, I'm sure you've kind of looked into this now. Obviously, it wasn't a bearer. You know, I've actually been taking back in school. I recently took a Native American studies class just to gain some insight on Native American culture. My girlfriend's a part of one of the Puget Sound Tribes. Anyways, one of my projects was to cover these oral traditions of origin,

which are basically their origin stories from the Puget-Sailish region in Washington. And these stories date back 10,000 years ago, kind of around towards the end of the Ice Age, when they say that the world was in flux. So these Native Americans had migrated into Washington at that time. And a lot of these stories that I've heard involve characters like the bear men and the sky people and the dog salmon men or dog salmon people, several other characters. And a lot of these people, characters are portrayed as these

terrible people that were eventually chased off. And I have to believe that there's some sort of truth to that and that these things are just descendants, I guess, of these first peoples who were forced basically into isolation. And over the past 10,000 years or so, I mean, they have to have developed and evolved differently than us. Yeah, it's interesting, especially when you look into the Native Americans and we have a rich history of that, you know, like, I know you mentioned a girlfriend's part of the Puget Sound, but even like the Shihilis tribe, you know, gone to ceremonies where you watch these dances and it's a wild woman in the woods and she steals children, eats them. And if you really go through and you start, you're like, what in the

world is going on here? And, you know, basically, they're talking about Sasquatch. So they do have a long history of it. You know, you have to be safe when you're out there. Let me know, if you decide to go out there again, let me know if anything happens, will you? Yeah, absolutely. I definitely will. I think we're planning a trip for mid part of July. So I'll hit you up if we hear anything out there. Perfect. And I appreciate it coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me, Wes.

It's been a great experience. Well, next up, I want to welcome Joe to the show. Joe, thanks for coming on. Hey, how you doing, Wes? I'm doing well, man. I'm doing well. I can't wait to hear this full encounter. And I know it happened in Ohio.

And if you would, just kind of start from the beginning, Joe, tell us what you're doing. And walk us into what happened, if you would. Okay. We're big hunters. We gained access to a new lease about four or five years ago. And the first year went by, you know, pretty normal. Nothing happened. And then, you know, in year two, right at the very beginning of the season,

the season always starts the last weekend in September. I was in my stand second day and it started out with it sounded like somebody was talking and it was like far off you just couldn't make it out but it was definitely like something back and forth and you know I kind of brushed it off I didn't think about it there's not a lot of people that live around down there but there's there's a few and there's some other hunters on neighboring properties so I just kind of brushed it off and figured it out or you know figured it was it was nothing. So a few days later, my brother and I, you know, we went hunting again and I heard the same thing. And I was beginning, you know, to kind of wonder, you know, it's like, this is really weird.

And I knew it was in an area that he had heard it too. So when I came out of the woods that evening, I was going to ask him, you know, what he did or heard. And he met me at the truck. And the first thing he said to me was, did you hear those people talking? And so not wanting to tip my hand really. I said, I thought I did, but I couldn't make it out. You know, could you? And he said, yeah, you know, same thing here. And he's like, they got kind of close. And it was like they were talking gibberish. And I was like, well, did, you know, was it one person, two person? What? He's like, it was definitely there was two things, you know, two people talking. He's like, and it just, he's like, I couldn't

like make out what they were saying. So that ride home, you know, it was, we kind of spent talking about what we both had heard. And so like I said, we both hunt pretty often and a few weeks later. We had both been to the woods multiple times and each had heard a few more, you know, odd things. You know, we had a few more talking episodes, a whoop, some rock clackings, just a few weird things, but nothing that was like definitively anything. You know, it all could possibly be explained away, essentially. So about a morning, another morning, about three weeks after the initial incidents, I had a work

commitment and couldn't join him in the woods. He was going to go hunting early in the morning. So about six in the morning, I get a call for my brother. I knew he was going, so hoping nothing went wrong. I answered the phone, and he was immediately sounded upset. You know, after a few minutes, you know, calming him down, I finally got it out of him that something had screamed at him as he was almost to his stand. So, you know, I was telling you before, my brother, he's He's a pretty tough guy. He was my, always, you know, my bigger brother, the protector, big and stuff, you know, and I had never heard him sound as scared as he was in that call. He told me it was like nothing he had ever heard before. It sounded like it was, you know, wanting to tear him apart, he said. And he just was freaking out. And he said it, there was like a grunting and a growling together, you know, after the scream that he could essentially feel it shaking his chest. You know, he wanted to run, he wanted to hide. He didn't know what he wanted to do. It freaked out. It was. pitch black, you know, no, no light. So he decided, you know, make the last little bit to a stand and got up in his stand and just

was waiting for the sun. So, you know, he called me and he's like, you know, I'm not letting me off the phone. Stay on with me. Stay on with me. Stay on the phone. So, you know, I stayed on and, you know, it was about a half hour. And then, you know, I'm trying to tell him, you know, listen for stuff. And finally, you know, you know, the sun was coming up. And he said, you know, he shushed me.

He's like, I hear something, I hear something. And then he said all of a sudden it was like a freight train had exploded through the woods. About 75, you know, 100 yards and was heading away from him. He never saw anything, he said, but it was, you know, it was crazy. So he, once he finally couldn't hear anything, you know, we high-tailed it out of there. So a few days later, after kind of, you know, the shock of it all wore away. We went back out to our land and tried to find some signs of it. And other than a few broken branches, there really wasn't much, you know, to see.

And, you know, my brother who, you know, I credit for even going back out there, wasn't wanting to really stay very long. So we got his stand down and left the area. We kind of decided, you know, we'll leave that part of the lease. You know, we'll just hunt the other side. You know, it's a pretty good size property. So we figured we could avoid it and just kind of move on. So, you know, a few days go by, you know, we're talking it and about it and discussing it.

And we kind of convinced ourselves that if whatever made those screams wanted to hurt him, it could have done it. You know, it was pitch black. He couldn't see anything. And we just kind of convinced ourselves that, you know, it was just a warning, hey, stay away. And, you know, we at this point are beginning to think maybe this is something, you know. and, you know, but a few weeks go by and we're just, we're really big hunters. And the rut in Ohio, you know, usually starts around the end of October into November. And it was getting to be close to that time.

And, you know, so back to the woods we went, basically. And, you know, a few hunts later, I was in my stand. It was, you know, first week of October-ish, somewhere in there. And it had been a pretty wet year that year. So a lot of the leaves had stayed on later than normal. And I was in my stand, and it was one of those kind of days when, like, a strong breeze makes it looks like it's, you know, snowing leaves, basically out in the woods. And I was sitting there, and then I heard it again, you know, the chatter. And it was, you know, out in front of me, and this time it was a little higher pitched than I remembered.

So, needless to say, I was on full alert. you know, a little bit nervous. And then I started to hear something, like, sounded like it was, you know, coming towards me. And my stand, just for a little visual reference, it sits on a flat, about 30 yards across, and I have valleys that go down on either side of me. My stand is on, like, the left side of that flat. There's a lot of, you know, big oaks and, you know, some other brush, you know, stuff like that, too. And on my left-hand side, I like to watch that. The deer come from out in front of me, and there's two, like, natural shelves that run along that hillside. One's about, you know, 20, 30 yards below me. And there's another one about 50, 60 yards.

And the 30-yard one I can see always. The one lower, it's a lot harder to see. There's a lot more, you know, brush. I have two shooting lanes that are cut, one about, you know, 45 degrees out into the front of me and then one, you know, 90 right down below me. And it was coming out in front of me, the noises. And, you know, suddenly it sounded, I don't know, it's weird to say, but it sounded like two monkeys, like chit-chatting, you know, like, you're hearing the zoo.

It was just weird. And all of a sudden I could like, as I'm hearing this and it's getting closer and I could, it sounded like there was two different noises, you know, something on the ground, and then it was like there was something in the trees. And I thought at one point,

I heard, I seen the trees like starting to move out in front of me to the left. And all of a sudden, there was a breeze that kind of shifted and it came at my back. And it was, it would have been in my face,

you know, which it normally is. And when that happened, all of a sudden, there was a noise. It was kind of like a grunt and like a huff, you know, like a, and all of a sudden, that's a terrible example, sorry. That's all right.

All of a sudden, the noises stopped, everything. Like the sound on the ground, the trees moving, the noises in the trees, all of it just completely stopped. So I'm sitting there for a few minutes. I'm looking, I'm looking, and everything had gotten, you know, eerily quiet. There was no sound, no nothing, no squirrels moving, no birds chirping, anything. And after, you know, it felt like an eternity, but it was probably, you know, three or four minutes. A nice, you know, gust of wind came again, and the leaves start falling like that again. And then I heard another noise, and it was like a sound, like kind of louder.

You know, like kind of a, not a whistle, but, you know, like a whizzo. And when that happened, I heard some limbs break in, and it sounded like two tree stumps, like falling out of the trees and landing, like two distinct, you know, thuds on the ground. And it was followed by two things that were clearly running down the hill. And, you know, I've been hunting since I'm six years old. You know, I know what deer sound running away. And it didn't sound like deer running through the woods. you know, dearly kind of make that bounding noise, you know, through the woods. And this was definitely something running, running away.

And those noises kind of ended pretty quickly. And they were out in front of me and they kind of went from about 45 degrees out in front of me to my left to about 60 degrees, you know, down the hill. And, you know, that, you know, kind of after the initial shock of that, my attention kind of turned back to what made like the deeper grunts and the, you know, other other noises. And it sounded like it had come from that lower shelf, you know, about 60 yards that's about below me, but now that it's out in front of me, it's probably more than, you know, around 80 to 100 yards away from me. And like I told you in our earlier talks, you know, in Ohio, you're lucky if you're in the middle of the woods and you can see 100 yards. It's just, that's just kind of how Ohio woods are. There's a lot of rolling, you know,

and lots of undergrowth and thick stuff and brush. things can just disappear in the woods like that. And so I'm looking, looking, looking, looking for any kind of sound, any, anything. All of a sudden, you know, I hear like a squirrel coming from my right-hand side, and it's coming across the top of the flat, and it's kind of heading down over towards where I had heard the last noise, and all of a sudden a shot up a tree and start barking its head off. So I'm watching right over there everywhere.

And I hunt with a compound bow and a crossbow. And on that hunting trip, I had taken my crossbow. And it just dawned me to pick that up and start looking through the scope. And as I'm doing that, I'm scanning, scanning. I'm looking where I think the squirrel's barking. And that's kind of when I saw something that, or when I did see something that kind of changed everything. And it was a hand.

It was just a hand, and it was wrapped around like a big oak tree, like holding on. And I'm looking at it, and I'm looking, and I'm, you know, I wasn't really believing in it at first, and I look off and blink off the scope and then look back. And, you know, as I look back on it again, it moved. It repositioned the way it was holding. It kind of reached a little bit farther around the tree. And, you know, at first all I could see was just the hand, you know, and as it moved a little farther, I could see some of the, a little bit of the arm, like, you know, the wrist area. It was covered in hair. It was really dark skin.

So I'm looking, looking on either side of this tree to try and see, like, what this is attached to. It was a bigger tree. And then I saw it. It was very slowly and methodically a face began to creep around. the tree and was looking directly up at me. I mean, it was, I mean, it was like, imagine if you're, you know, playing hide and seek up, you know, in the woods, you know, and you peek around the tree, you know, to look at somebody, that's what it did. And it was almost a black face, you know, dark hair. And I'm looking down there through my scope on my bow. And as I look,

it's looking directly up at me. Now, it's not like searching around the woods to see. something, it's looking right up at where I was positioned. And my stand had been in there. That was the second year. I'd left it, you know, over the year, it was a hang-on stand, you know, has a, you know, climbing sticks up to it. So I assume that something that might live in those woods would know that it was there. And as it looked around, you know, it looked, like I said, right at me. And as I'm looking through the scope, I can I can literally see its eyes widened, like, oh, you know, what are you doing here? What are you?

You know, almost like as if she was surprised. And, you know, it pulled its face back and pulled its hand back. And there was no mistaking it. I instantly knew what I had saw, you know. And as we're sitting there, I'm looking, and I didn't see anything. It was behind the tree. And then all of a sudden, all this is interrupted by rock clackings. Like someone taking two rocks and banging them together rapidly, you know.

like bang bang bang bang you know it did it three times and it was followed by like a quick high-pitched whistle and this was down the hill from where i had heard the things run off before and when that happened it was like she made a sound from behind that tree and it was almost as if she was like shushing them you know and i assumed it was the little ones i assumed that she had two babies with her because it sounded like two two different things running and, you know, it was amazing. I didn't know what to think. And so, you know, I just kind of instinctively lifted my bow back up and I'm looking back down.

And as I'm looking back down by that tree where she was behind, she, you know, put her head around the tree again. And this time her face wasn't the same. She before had, you know, kind of surprised, you know, kind of just docile look about her. this time she was not happy. And it was clear that she was not happy. She was showing her teeth. Her eyes were, you know, slanted and, you know, squeezed tight. And it was, she was not happy that I was there.

And I didn't even think about it. You know, maybe I'm pointing this, this, you know, what maybe they know them as weapons or bang sticks or what they think are guns or whatever, you know, and she just was not happy. So every couple of minutes I'm watching, I'm looking, And I kind of put the bow down a little. And I knew, you know, she was still there. Because if she had moved, at this point, I'd kind of found her.

You know, I kind of had pinpointed her. And if she had went back the way she had come, you know, I think I would have, you know, at least seen something. And then the wind picked up again and there was more of the leaves falling. And when that happened, she. move from one tree to the next, you know, about five yards away. And over the next course of the next, you know, five or ten minutes, every time she would do this, she would move from tree to tree. And she got to a point where she would either have to cross my shooting lane that I had cut out, or she'd have to take a route back the other way. And it's kind of odd.

how this little piece is, you know, she would have had to go off of a weird drop off. And I think I would have heard her fall, you know, not fall, but jump off of that. And so I'm sitting there and, you know, she was at the last tree right before, you know, going out into that shooting lane. And I knew she was there. She was about seven foot tall, I would say, a little more than probably seven to eight foot. And she was, she had a very big body, but it was somehow kind of like lean. You know what I mean? It was like she was just strong, just big and strong, but not real, you know, like, I guess fat, you know what I mean? For black water way.

Yeah. That's saying it. And I call her her because I could see breasts. At one point when she kind of went around, you know, she kind of turned, you know, that body turned towards me and you could see them. I mean, it was pretty distinct. And she's standing at that last tree before the shooting lane. And she's just about to step out. I'm lifting my crossbow up to look at, you know, look down there through my scope again. And right as I'm lifting it up, she kind of steps out and looks up at me and stops. And I'm looking at her through the scope and she turned and chased me. And she had this look on her face.

I could see it for a half a second, you know, and it just wasn't happy. and I lowered the bow, you know, and she kind of took like an aggressive stand, not like down on all fours or crouch, but kind of like how like a linebacker just lines up, you know, and she just had this aggressive stance, and she kind of began to like growl and show her teeth. And she even took as much as, you know, three or four steps towards me. So I instantly, I just put my bow, I hung it up on the, hung it up on my hangar, and she just stood there looking at me for, you know, a good 30 seconds and just would kind of take a step towards me and kind of, you know, growl a little bit.

And then she just moved off and went right towards where I had heard the two things run. And to the bottom of that hill, it's about, you know, four or five hundred yards downhill. And when she took off out of that shooting lane, she was kind of running. not like sprinting, but she was moving quick. And as she was going down, and I could hear them, you know, kind of moving through the woods and making some sounds down there. And at the bottom of the hill, I was just about, you know, to be just about stopped hearing them when I heard a big, like a giant pop and crashing sound.

Like, I mean, you've been out in the woods. You've heard trees fall down, you know. And it was like something had broke a large, tree. And I included in my email, I don't know if you got it, a picture of, it's a pretty healthy tree. And I'd say it's probably maybe six to ten inches around. My gauge is a little bad on that. But it was broken about three, four feet off the ground, just snapped over and broken. And, you know, after that, you know, hearing all that, I kind of, you know, I was pretty shaken, needless to say, and I felt pretty unwelcome in my woods.

So once I was able to finally get down and get out of the woods, I got down out of my stand and I just left. And I called my brother on the way home and, you know, he was at a function with his fiance and didn't get my message, you know. And he went hunting the next morning. And he's the one who actually took the picture of the tree on his way out of the stand. you know, his voicemail when he was up in his tree finally and, you know, came back and found the picture, you know, found the tree, took a picture of it, you know, and sent it. And it was a pretty perfectly healthy tree and there were no storms or anything else that could have done what happened to this tree, if you ask me. And, you know, that's, that's kind of what happened, you know.

and my brother and I and our family, you know, we still hunt this land. We both have kids, you know, that hunt. We never let them hunt alone. Over the last four years, you know, a few years, we've shot deer, you know, and, you know, let them leave overnight to, you know, sit and, you know, come and find a pool of blood and hair everywhere and no deer, you know, and we kind of look at these as, you know, peace offerings, I guess, for them. And, you know, for a long time, you know, you heard the rumors, but, you know, we pretty much know now that this is what's on our property.

And there's a big foot and babies with her, you know, with her bees on our property. And, you know, we've over the last few years, you know, looked and looked and looked and tried to find sign. And, you know, we'll find a footprint, but nothing ever, you know, that's castable. Um, and into the, into the, you know, into, into, soon as it gets into the winter, you know, late fall, early winter, all of our activity goes away. Um, we, we hear stuff more in like, you know, early fall, you know, October, like I said, November, stuff like that. But as soon as, um, the winter hits, you know, we, we lose everything. And I think that's mainly because our woods thin out a little bit and you can see a lot more.

And I don't know if, you know, there's a better place for them. I mean, granted, you know, we only have, you know, 250 acres, you know. So there's a lot of land around there that they can go to. Let me ask you, Joe, when you were looking at this thing, can you describe the face? And would you say, in your estimation, it was more human-like? or would you say it was more like a non-human primate? I would say it was a pretty good mix of both, to be honest. It had the flat nose.

I didn't really have a cone head. You know, it didn't have the conical shape as much on the top that a lot of people see. But it was very distinct features. You know, I mean, you know, big cheekbones and the flat nose. And when it growled and it showed its teeth at me, they weren't pretty white teeth. They were, you know, yellow, ugly teeth and they were real big. No fangs. I couldn't see fangs or anything like that.

I don't know. I don't know if you've, I'm sure you've seen the Todd standing stuff, you know, his documentary. The final picture of that, the one that's hiding that he shows in his documentary, it looked a lot like that. it was you know it wasn't it wasn't the face of a monkey it wasn't the face of a gorilla but it wasn't the face of a human it was it was it was almost like the perfect mesh of both to be honest yeah i'd be real careful on that property man you know with her out there because you don't know what you know and it's amazing to me a lot of times when i hear guys in tree stands it's it's very similar um and as you and i were talking earlier i was telling you i think that it throws them off when you're

up in a tree. Because I think they're used to seeing people stumble through the woods and it's just different when you see someone up in a tree. And a lot of guys that, you know, Bo, I know you guys, in Ohio, you were telling me that you guys can only hunt like one week with guns and then the rest is with, you know, the bow and arrow. But with a lot of times when they look up at people in tree stands, a lot of, I've heard a lot of hunters tell me that where it was confusion, almost like what in the world are you doing up there? And, you know, that could have gone south pretty quick. Right.

I agree. I agree. She, like I said, and the way you put it is perfect. How when she peaked her face around that corn, around that tree the first time, you know, she looked right at me and her eyes kind of widened. Like, like, whoa, what are you doing here? What are you doing up in the, up there? You know, and it was almost like she was, I surprised her. And like the way you said it is perfect.

you know she just was shocked that i was there and that that shock you know went it went from like a surprise shocked face to you know a lack of a better term a pissed off face like you know instead of why are you here it's it's why are you here you know and she was not happy you know and she showed her teeth and like i said you know she had the the slitted eye like you know like an angry look you'd give someone you're ready to you're ready to you're ready to find you're ready to him. And that was the face that she had. Yeah, and it might have been from pointing the bow at her, you know, I've heard from, I mean, I've had homeowners and I was talking about this on the last show, how, you know, I've had

people who pull up maglites and they'll point them at at these things and it pisses them off. Not really sure why it pisses them off, but it pisses them off when you do that. So it might have been, she might have thought you were hunting, you know, she was going to be next or whatever. It kind of sounds like they've probably seen you and your brother a lot. If you guys are killing deer, you go to find them and they're gone. And then with your brother's experience, they've probably been watching you guys for a while. I imagine from the first time we, you know, scouted out this lease that they knew we were there.

And they've always known we were there. And I don't know if, you know, I have no reference from before we were there. But, you know, I think that's when maybe when the woods thin out. in the winter, you know, as all the, you know, leaves fall and the foliage dies off, we don't see or hear them as much because they're, they're more visible. They could be more visible to us, and I think they understand that and know that and they stay away. And they know the areas that we hunt.

You know, we have, you know, stands that we put up and we leave them year round. So I think they know when to go around them when they can be close to us when we, you know, shoot deer in the beginning of the season. And, you know, as it gets later in the year, you know, they don't come around those, those stands anyway. And it's kind of a shaky feeling, you know, I mean, he's got, you know, three kids that hunt. You know, I have a daughter. She's 11. You know, his daughter and two boys are, you know, 12, 14, and 15, you know.

So it's a little intimidating to go out in the woods and know that something that big is out there with us. But, you know, I think we've kind of, you know, when we hear them, we move away, we don't ever push the issue with them is something that we've kind of impressed upon the kids. We don't tell the kids, you know, we tell the kids we hear things, but they don't know. this story that I've told you. But I'd be careful, though, man. You've got to be real careful. It's not a game. These things, you know, if it was grizzly bears out there, you wouldn't have your kids.

You know, I realize, and I guess it sounded like a dick when I say that. But, I mean, I would just be careful out there, man, because, you know, if it was a grizzly bear you ran into, you probably wouldn't take your kids in that area just because, you know. And these things, I'm pretty sure these things can kill a grizzly bear if they wanted to. But, you know, in your situation, I think if they were going to, you know, in your situation, I think if they were going to hurt you guys, they would have, even though that last situation was a little dicey, that could have gone either way. But, you know, I would just be real careful of taking your kids out there. I'd be real careful going out there by yourself or your brother or everyone else, you know what I mean? Because you don't know. You don't know what they're going to do. You don't know they're so

unpredictable, you know, that you just don't know. Yeah. And, you know, my father, my uncle hunt with us, you know, my brother's fiancee, she hunts as well. And my brother and I are kind the ones who we do all the work at the lease. You know, we put up the stands. We, we put out the corn, you know, food for the deer, and we do all the work. And we've adopted a rule that if someone's going hunting, you call them let somebody else know. Nobody goes by themselves. You know, if you're going by yourself, you need to let somebody know. And the kids, as far as the kids go, the two boys, you know, they're dying to go by themselves. And we, we forbid it. You know, they're hunting with somebody, you know, either grandpa or, you know, uncle or me or their dad or, you know,

somebody's sitting with them at all times. They're never, they're never on their own in those woods. That's good. Yeah. I understand what you're saying, you know, and we've just, you know, I was, I mean, we started out as my dad's, you know, hunting dogs, you know, jumping rabbits and pheasons, tromping on brush piles from the age we were six, you know. And we're just, we're hunting. You know, we love the outdoors, and it's hard to get away from it. Yeah, I get it. I understand that. You know, I would just be careful out there because, especially if she has little ones, you know, out there.

And generally the females, and again, this is my opinion, this isn't a bold statement. But generally speaking, the females seem to be less aggressive. They don't seem to be so quick to want to kill you. But having said that, there's two little ones that you heard. or, you know, you assumed it was two little ones, which means there's probably a mail somewhere around on that property. Right, right. And, you know, not to give away our location too much, but, you know, we are about 20, 20-minute ride from Salt Fork State Park, which, you know, has its, you know, rich history of siding. So, and as, you know, I assume 20 minutes through the woods for them is nothing.

So I assume there's some more in the area. And like you said, we're very careful when we go in the woods. Good, man. Yeah, no, that's good. And, you know, you've been growing up hunting so you know. I didn't mean to sound judgmental earlier. But what do you think Sasquatch is, Joe? What is your opinion?

If someone were to ask, I mean, you've got a really good look at this thing. If someone were to ask you, what would you say? You know, I thought a lot about this. And listening to your shows, I was, as I wrote my email to you, I was trying to think of my answer to this question. And, you know, I'm not sure. I think it's an unknown primate that has somehow slipped through the cracks. You know, as we've, you know, developed over the years and gigantic antipithecus, you know, over the years. I mean, from when I was a kid, you know, there's.

been two major discoveries, you know, as far as missing links go, um, in the world, you know, and I believe this is, this is one of those things that have developed over time that, that survived. And I think they've been around for as long as, as, you know, since humans were monkeys, you know, I think they've just developed over time. And I, I believe it's, it's, it's, along the lines of a primate. It may have interbred with a primate as giganticithicus, you know, comes through the years, you know,

and it just kind of has gotten smaller and learn to adapt as its environment has shrunk around it. But I think it's just an unknown primate that has somehow managed to survive all these years. Yeah, it could be.

Could be. I hope you're right. You know, on that once the next time you guys are going out um actually uh i was just in the woods uh two days ago for turkey season uh turkey season just started monday in ohio um you know we we go to the land quite often um nothing happened i haven't uh really checked anything we keep up game cameras but you know i've never caught anything on them and we've seen you know everything that that you know deer raccoons squirrels turkeys, you know, we have a black bear that some of the neighbors have cited. We've caught pictures of that, you know, little bobcats. You know, we've caught everything on game cams,

but nothing like that. But, you know, it's every time out in the woods, especially turkey season, I'm more nervous in turkey season as it's more thicker. You know, you just can't see as much. So I'm not real big into turkey hunting, but, uh, I was out the other day. I didn't hear or see anything weird. But, yeah, we're at the land, you know, a couple times a month outside of hunting season. Well, will you do me a favor? Will you keep me up to date?

Let me know if you guys go out there, you or your brother, and if anything else happens out there? Absolutely. I will. Yeah, and I appreciate you coming on, man. That was a terrifying account, really. I mean, because it's almost like a standoff who's going to make the first mistake, you know? And a bow ain't going to do nothing against these things. You know, they'll just laugh and keep coming.

Yep. And in the moment, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't, I didn't necessarily feel scared in the moment. But as soon as it ended, I realized that I was like shaking. And I realized how precarious of a situation I was in and how dangerous it could have. become and how, you know, as it was happening, I think I was just more all-struck. You know, but now that I'm not a believer, I'm a knower, I guess to sound corny about it, you know, I'll be, I've been more alert and more ready for things to happen. And I've prepared my, you know, family the best that I could as well.

Yeah, we'll be safe and I appreciate you coming on and sharing it. Yeah, no problem. having me. I appreciate it. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at saskwatch chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone. The country faster than the coronavirus.

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