Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:543 Dogman In The Graveyard

Episode Date: May 19, 2019

"Hi Wes, Love the show I listen every night before bed and while I'm driving. I've had multiple weird encounters with things in the woods and paranormal activity. I'm 41 and grew up in Nova Scotia Canada and also lived in South Carolina and North Carolina. Anyway my first encounter was when I was about 14. (1992) It was the beginning summer and a very dark night. My brother and his friends had a campfire in the field past our backyard. There are a ton of deer and coyotes. Anyway they left in a car to go to town and my mom sent me down there to clean up and get the left over food and condiments. Also to make sure the fire was out. I grew up in the woods and I wasn't scared of anything until that night. I was picking up after my brother and friends and I heard a growling noise from the woods. It was so loud I felt it in my chest and body. I was thinking bear at the time. Which I've never seen around our yard or woods. I froze and looked into the woods it was pitch black. I started to run to the house (dropped everything) ran into the field behind my house and I could feel this thing chasing me. It felt big and on two feet running after me like a person. It growled and heavy breath the whole time behind me. I was a fast kid but it could have gotten me if it wanted. It stopped chasing me as soon as I reach the garage light. I ran into the house in a panic and my mom asked what was wrong I said something was out there. She was going to tell my dad I told her no because he would have went out with a gun and I knew he'd be in trouble. My brother and his friends Were all gone. I made sure it wasn't them playing a trick on me. I didn't think of a Sasquatch until many years later when I heard there here and I heard other people's encounters. I didn't believe In Bigfoot back then. I'll add I had a nightmare that very night that a lot wolves came into my house and we're going around looking for me. Woke up in a sweat and panic. The next day my dad said the food was gone and everything Else by the campfire was spread all over the place in a mess. Anyway I'd love to tell you my other encounters if your interested. I've kept them to myself for years. If you look up Nova Scotia it's very paranormal here." Spoke to witness and he opened up about seeing this werewolf walking on two legs coming out of the cemetery by his home, unfortunately his father was laid to rest there. He said he had never told anyone this before but looking back he said he felt like that creature chased him home a year before. He said he never understood why his nightmares consisted of wolves chasing him and breaking into his home. The witness will be sharing a lot of strange encounters.   Hims connects you with real doctors and medical grade solutions to treat hair loss Go to For Hims dot com slash SASQUATCH. https://www.forhims.com/SASQUATCH Order Now: My listeners get a trial month of hims for just $5 today right now while supplies last. See website for full details and safety information. This would cost hundreds if you went to the doctor or a pharmacy! -------   ------- Can a bar of soap be patriotic? That's a lot of ask. It's just a bar of soap, after all. It doesn't get out a little flag and wave it around. Duke Cannon's superior-quality grooming goods for hard-working men are tested by soldiers, not boy bands. Visit Dukecannon.com right now and get 15% off your first order with the promo code SASQUATCH. Free shipping on orders over $35  

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me,

and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here.

What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatchew. Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Attention passengers. We've now reached our destination.

We hope you enjoyed the flight and have a nice day. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Fresh back from Texas. And I had a great time down there. Love the Texans. Absolutely, I may find myself becoming a Texan one day. Definitely miss that place. But had a great time, had a great time with the Confessionals, Hibbilly Horror Stories, and Twisted Philly. Tonight got a great show planned. We'll be talking to John. And John comes to us from Nova Scotia. And he had a dog man encounter and a lot of weird things that happen around his property. He'll be sharing tonight. And when I talked to John, he said, Dean and I've never actually shared most of this with anyone. and some very humbled tonight he would share it with us.

And then we'll be talking to Scott. And Scott comes to us from Michigan. He had an encounter over 40 years ago. He'll be sharing tonight. And also Charles. Charles is in my backyard in the Pacific Northwest. He'll be sharing an encounter he had in Louisiana. And then many years later, he moved to Oregon.

He'll be sharing an encounter in Vernonia. It's a very nice place out here in Oregon. Encounters that he's had recently. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatchronicles.com. If you get a chance, check out Sasquatchronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Scott to the show.

Scott, thanks for coming on. Oh, no problem. Glad to be here. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know your encounter took place in Michigan. If you would, would you mind starting from the beginning and just, just, kind of tell us what you're doing and walk us into what happened. Okay.

This is back in like the mid to late 70s. I can't remember exactly what year it happened. I was about 10 to 13. We lived in a rural area of Michigan and like Benzie County. And we were like some of the original latchkey kids that they talk about in the 70s. Mom had to work. Dad had to work. And during the summer, we were pretty much free to do whatever we want.

and we would hang out with some of the other neighbor kids, even though it was rural, there were some kids nearby, and we would like to ride bikes and do stuff. And our neighbor was a young lady about my age. And another family friend, there was a bunch of girls for some reason. We decided to go walking in the woods that was kind of behind her grandfather's property.

He lived like one more door down. and it was a in michigan they have things called two tracks they go in their their trucks and drive between trees and go out in the woods and make two tracks going all the way out into the woods and he had two tracks that went out into the woods and we were just following them that led down to a river and we'd been back there before there were uh you know we'd uh been back there to fish and stuff like that we'd walk there many times with our families and did things together So this time it was like four or five kids, and we went walking down there. And as you're walking down towards the river, it's about a quarter of a mile walk. The two-track kind of just leaves around trees and hills. And there's a point in the two-track, or kind of to your left, it's kind of a deep ditch or golly. It's the you wouldn't want to drive your vehicle off of it or you're really going to be stuck. It probably goes down about, I'm guessing, about 10 feet.

There's probably a little bit of a creek down there sometime. And then it has like across that little creek, then it kind of rises up at it, you know, and a hill, but not a steep hill. You can walk it fairly easy. And there's trees around, but there's not, it's not like thick forest or anything. And then on the right side of this two track is a tall hill, probably about 20 feet tall. and steep enough that you would have to spider man crawl up this thing, you know, with your hands and your feet and your knees trying to get up.

I don't know. One of the kids said something like, you know, let's up up on top of that hill or let's go play king of the mountain, something like that. So we were all trying to get up that hill on the right side of us. And, you know, all five of us kids are climbing and stuff. And at one point, I was probably about halfway at this hill, I decided to look back to see how far I was ahead of every,

everybody else. And as I look down and then across the two track and then kind of down on that little gully and then up the hill that was behind that gully, I saw something move. And my first thought was my dog. I had a fairly good-sized dog that was part collie and part lab. And so I thought it was him. At first, you know, I was trying to like concentrate on this movement. And as I was looking at this movement, I saw more movement to my left.

And when I looked to my left, there was my dog coming from the left, going to the right. So that got me wondering, well, what am I looking at over here? And my first thought was, well, it must be, you know, one of the neighbor girl's family. She had like an uncle that would be in those woods. And she had her dad, of course, and her grandfather, there were reasons for them to be in the woods. And I thought, well, maybe it's probably one of them. But why are they dressed that way? Because this was summertime.

And this person looked like they were wearing like a really thick kind of camouflage. To me, it almost looked like, like, have you ever seen like that insulation that's probably in your attic or whatever? And it's covered with dirt or dust. It kind of had this grayish brown tint to it, but it was kind of matted and stuff. And when I was trying to track, you know, track to see what this thing is, it would blend with the trees behind it. That was the thing that I thought was kind of odd. I'm not talking like this predator, you know, camouflage thing. It just, it just happened to be the same color as these trees behind it, the bark of the trees.

So I'm trying to make out what this is. And I thought, well, just look at the face, you know. so I kept moving up and looking up and looking up this body thinking, well, where's the face? And then when I saw the face, it didn't make sense to me. It was like, because I was expecting, you know, nose and regular features, you know, somebody that I would recognize because I was fully expecting this to be one of the neighbor girls' family. And the face, I couldn't comprehend the face because it just didn't. I couldn't make out eyes or anything.

And then this thing was moving kind of left to right, and it was kind of going down that slope and that gully. And then it kind of, at the bottom of the gully, it kind of disappeared around the bend of the two track and stuff. I hope I'm describing this well. Yeah, you're doing fun. And that was one of the times when I really realized this thing is tall because that gully was deep, but I could still see its head. You know, it wasn't like above the thing.

But, I mean, it had to be fairly tall for me to still see the head as it disappeared, you know, around the bend of the gully, you know, falling alongside that two track. So one of the girls happened to be close to me and I turned to her and I said, hey, I think we, I think we, I think. I think I just saw Bigfoot. And she's kind of like, yeah, right, or, you know, thinking I was just goofing around or playing. And I said, no, I think we really need to leave. So, you know, I kind of talked to all the other kids to, you know, let's get going. And we ran all the way back out of the woods and back home. I'm not sure if they ever really believe me or if I was just, you know, pranking them or

or what. And as silly as it sounds, I guess the rest of the day was just spent kind of doing other kid things like riding bikes and shooting hoops and stuff. I told my parents when they came home, but I think they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, right. And, you know, I just, as time went on,

I started second guessing myself as a kid. I mean, I always had something of an imagination. And there was a lot of, of these drive-in documentary kind of movies back in the mid to late 70s regarding UFOs and the Bermuda Triangle. And there was a couple three, I'm sure, that dealt with like the Abunable Snowman and Bigfoot. You know, so I was really starting to get to a point where I second guessing myself and really didn't think much more about it. I mean, I kind of followed sightings and monster quests, things like that, you know, off and on. but I never really got really, really re-interested in what I saw until I started listening to podcasts.

And I listened to a couple different podcasts that led me to your podcast. And just some of the things they said and made me start thinking, well, maybe I did see something. Yeah. And, you know, a normal kid's reaction, you know, if it's just overactive imagination, your reaction wouldn't have been, I think we need to leave. I think we need to get out of here. You know what I mean? And even as an adult, I think I did it with my encounter. Everyone I've talked to that's had an encounter, you always second-guess yourself. You're always like, God, did I really see that?

Was I hallucinating? Was I? And I think that's just normal human reaction because it's hard to place what you saw. You know, it's like I hear, I was talking about this on the last show. I hear a lot of hunters say, well, I saw a gorilla in the woods. Well, we don't have gorillas out here running in the woods in Washington. state. And it's just, and you're never too hard on those people because they're trying to make sense of what they saw. And I think a lot of times if you can't make sense of it,

then you go to, well, maybe I didn't see that. Maybe I, maybe I mistook what I saw. I'm curious, was there any details from the face that you remember? Well, that was the thing at the time. I mean, one of the things I was going to comment on it that kind of threw me off. I had seen the the Patty film obviously at that time and some of the pictures from it and this one was lot more lanky you know it wasn't like that you know barrel chested kind of looked to it and so that was one of the reasons I thought I was a person in a suit you know like a like a camouflage thing I really did and but it also kind of you know my brain I was like flipping through my my my like the files of my mind trying to find something that was comparable to it and

One of the things is there was an old cartoon called Johnny Quest where he fought this mummy. And just the way the bandages and stuff wrapped around his face, that was the closest I could come to the face. And it was, but it wasn't quite right. I think looking back on, I think it was, there was fur covering up a large part of the face, but not all of it. I think also the face was like a dark, maybe charcoal gray, very dark. And I think one of the things that was throwing me off is I think since I was kind of walking a little bit at an angle, I was expecting the face to be more rounded. And I think it was more flat. And so my brain had like this weird disconnect where I was trying to make out a human face and it wasn't there.

the features for a human face weren't there. It was maybe more of a brow ridge, more deep-sunk eyes. I never really saw the eyeballs. It just looked like black pits. But I think it was more from an angle, you know, nothing, you know, like super spooky or anything, just the way the angle was and how deep set the eyes were. And then like the fur, like either had long hair or whatever that kind of covered, you know, like maybe blew across its nose or something.

because I really didn't see the nose. That was what threw me off because it was sort of like something was kind of covering the nose from like, say, one side of its face to the other. And that's why, you know, at one point I thought it was like a mask, like a, like a scarf. But again, it didn't, the actual skin tone didn't match the skin tone of a human being and stuff. It was just, so I think there was like a hair kind of blowing across the face, kind of covering its face. I got you. And that's really about all I really saw of the face. What really kind of like was like a got me thinking about it was a couple of, oh, I don't know, sometime later, for some reason my mom bought a coconut.

And one side of the coconut was flat and dark. And I remember just staring at that coconut like, I've seen this thing before. You know, it's like a deja vu moment, you know, because that coconut, the way the hair on the coconut kind of covered the flat and side. of the coconut and stuff. It was very similar to what I saw. Yeah, and I'm curious, how far away from you was it when you first saw it? I mean, I realized we're going 40 years back,

but... Yeah. It's probably... I'm trying to be good with distances here. 30 feet, maybe? Relatively close. Yeah, really... Not like it's a football field away or anything.

Right. And like, you know, the thing that was just, I had such a hard time concentrating on it because the fur just seemed or the hair, it just blended in with the trees behind him. Like I said, it was not like some, the cloaking thing, just the coloring. And then like the coloring of the, I think like I had a hard time figuring out where his arms and his legs were because I think at first I was looking at his feet. But because he blended and because he was kind of walking at an angle and everything and then blending. and then blending in with those trees, I think sometimes I saw his arms and thinking, oh, those are his legs, or sometimes I saw his legs, oh, those are his arms, you know, because it was so tall. You know, I wasn't expecting seeing something that tall.

And it was just a weird, my brain just had a hard time wrapping around it, you know. Yeah, and I think that's normal. Do you think that he, do you think he was watching you guys, or do you think you stumbled upon him? I don't know if he was watching us per se. you know, we were kind of noisy kids. He probably was, my guess is he was probably doing whatever big feet do during their time. And a bunch of noisy kids started coming down this path. And maybe at first, well, just stay here.

Maybe they won't notice me. And we happened to stop right there where decided to climb that hill right where he was at. You know, even though he's across the way, he might, maybe he was concerned. and we might spot him and maybe he thought, well, I can get to this gully and go on around him. And then, you know, then my dog started walking around. Maybe he was afraid the dog would notice him cause trouble. I don't know. But, I mean, for whatever reason, he didn't really cause, I mean, he didn't yell, didn't scream, didn't, you know, I mean, if it wasn't for the fact, I turned around and happened to see that, I don't think we would have ever noticed or had any idea.

We didn't smell any odors. and, you know, no rocks or acorns or anything being thrown at us or pine cones or anything. You know, in fact, I was trying to rack my brain, you know, after all this time, because I didn't know about the whole pine cone pebble throwing stuff. I was trying to rack my brain and remember, was there ever a time that we had that? And, you know, us being ignorant kids, you know, was blaming one of the other kids, you know, stop that, you know, not realizing it might have come from another part of the, trees or something.

But I can't remember anything like that. So there really wasn't, nothing else really happened. This was only kind of the siding on the property. Yeah. As far as sightings that I know of, that's really about it. The only other thing that we had, you know, I think I mentioned to you, is I can't again, I can't remember if it was like maybe a couple weeks later or something. My family walked down that same two track to go, I don't.

I'll go fishing or something. And while we're walking, there was a spot, and there was a bare foot, like right in the middle of, like, the two track. And it was humongous size, but it was one bare foot. And it wasn't from any of us. And, you know, I even brought up, hey, mom, you remember I, you know, I thought I saw big foot through here. And there's a, you know, and she's like, oh, no, it's probably from, you know, one of the

neighbor ladies or something down here. But that didn't make any sense to me because it was like, well, wouldn't you see like more than one footprint? You know what I mean? Or even if she like had to take off her flip flops or something when you see the track of the flip flop, you know, or something. And, you know, I just, that never made sense. It was just one print in the middle of the two track. And, you know, I would just think you would see more. And I don't know if it was, if, you know, maybe it was somebody else that walked down there.

I just didn't make sense to me that there would just be this one. Yeah, and most people don't take their shoes off in areas like that. You're talking two tracks. It's probably muddy. It's probably deep. It's broken up. Yeah. Who's going to walk through that?

You know what I mean? Right. I mean, and it wasn't humongous. So if it was a track of a Sasquatch, you know, the only thing I can think it was, you know, a younger Sasquatch, you know, an adolescent of some sort, maybe you're, you know, a child. but, you know, and maybe still strong enough that they can, you know, make great strides that if we had looked off that two-track, you know, maybe we would have seen, you know, another track, but we just didn't go that, do that. Yeah, no, that makes sense. And, you know, and I get that. A lot of times, loggers will find people, what they think is people out walking around bare feet in the mud.

And I remember, you know, I've had bloggers contact me and they'll say, hey, I found these tracks. But they look human. I think a human was up there walking around. And yeah, they do look human. But when you look at a big foot's foot, it kind of looks human. You know what I mean? But it's hard to say. What do you think that Sasquatchez, Scott?

What's your opinion? Oh, gosh. Ask me in 15 minutes and I'll probably give you a different answer. But listening to some of the podcasts that I've been listening to. and listening, just different things I piece together. If I actually read some of the books and stuff, like the, what is it, the Quantum Sasquatch or the Quantum Bigfoot that Moorhead, I think, wrote, and Genesis 6 and stuff like that, I'm beginning to think,

and a few years ago I would have thought this was kind of wackadoodle, but I'm beginning to think that it might be descendants of the Nephilim. Um, that's the only, being a Christian, and I kind of have to come at the universe from a certain viewpoint and cosmology and stuff. And that's the only thing I can think of, you know, that there's a, you know, it's a God created thing of some sort, you know, some, some kind of, uh, uh, descendant of a God created thing anyway. And, uh, you know, um, some of the things that I've heard about, like the book of Enoch and stuff, you know, it gets kind of, kind of, kind of, kind of, easy that I'm not I never really thought about and so but I'm beginning to wonder if it's something like that. I'm just a descendant of that and I know a lot of uh you know I've heard uh you know that might explain why some of them look very human and some of them don't because um from what I understand about

some of the things said in the book of Enix and I think there's another book called the book of giants I'm not sure I'm not an expert on it. It sounds like the Nephilim did a lot of breeding with like not only people but animals and I don't know if maybe somehow some way there was a lot of crossbreeding between those offspring and so you have some that look more animalistic

and you have some that look more human and therefore maybe some of them have more animalistic tendencies and more are not as animalistic but they might have their quick tempers from you know whatever animal genes they still have or whatever. Yeah, it's a good theory.

I mean, it's hard to argue really with any theory because no one really knows. And I hope you're 100% wrong, to be honest with you, but you may not be. You know what I mean? And there is, when you start reading the historical text, there's a lot of things in there that are odd, you know, where they were mixing, if you believe it, they were mixing humans and animals and plants and they were mixing everything. And the book of Enoch goes into, you know, even the book of Jaster goes into that a little bit. So it is fascinating. And, you know, it is interesting, too, how some seem to have very quick, short tempers and seem to want to kill you. And people who've seen them, that's what they read from the face, like, I just want to kill you.

Then there's other times where it's not like that. You know, the creature just gets up and kind of strolls away and doesn't really care one way or another. And there's no aggression. And so it's hard to pinpoint. you know, how they're going to react and they're very unpredictable. And you bring a good point, too. You know, some do you look human and some do you look more animal-like, you know, and what's that about? So there's more questions and answers, you know what I mean? And I don't, you know, just spitballing that maybe if there is a lot of, you know, maybe interbreeding, you know, inbreeding and, and, you know, maybe many, many, many years ago, there were other,

kind of hybrid creatures of some sort and you know you just had all those cross-briking at some point there just might be maybe that's where some of these other more bizarre things that people are starting to talk about you know um like dogmen or um the the little little people that i think you've talked about on some of your programs the little hairy people and stuff i don't know it just gets kind of wacky doodle after a while it's like if you start believing one thing how far how far do you keep believing? Yeah, it's true. It's true.

Well, hopefully it doesn't just shock the world when it comes out one day. And hopefully people are paying attention, but I have my doubts on that. But, you know, I really appreciate you coming on and taking the time to share your encounter, Scott, and your theories on it. Thank you so much. I appreciate you giving me the opportunity. I really enjoy your program. I really do. And I've been listening to like two or three of them a day at least.

So thanks. I thanks for having a forum like this. My situation was pretty mild, but I've heard so many other people that seem to really get some kind of catharsis, you know, from being able to express their story. And, you know, for their story, I really appreciate you giving them a forum to do that. Thanks, man. Thanks for the kind of words. I want to give a shout out to one of the advertisers. Actually, they sent me a box of goodies.

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I think I was about 15 at the time. I just got a new girlfriend. And we were living in like off of Highway 1 in Blanchard, Louisiana. We were about 30 minutes away from Falc, Arkansas. And I just got a new girlfriend. And she texted me and she's like, hey, why don't you come over? My parents are asleep. Me being the rambunctious teenager, I was like, sure.

So waiting for my parents to go to sleep. And I opened up my window, super quiet, like, and I started to, like, kind of put myself out of the window so I could still stay quiet, so I wouldn't wake anybody up. And from my window to, like, our fence line is a good 20, 30 feet. And something told me, hey, man, why don't you look up? And so whenever I do, I look, I like slowly start panning over to the fence line. and I see big chest, like lots of long, like Auburn, I guess, like reddish-colored hair, just like breathing. Like I could see, I can see the chest like, inhale, like expanding and contracting just because something breathing. Didn't want to look any higher.

And I said, nope. So I went back in my house. Looked down my phone. I was about to text my girlfriend and tell her, hey, you know, I don't really feel like coming. out tonight. But she had, she just texted me and said, you know, it's where are you? And I was like, I guess I'll head over there. So I grabbed this little, this little hunting knife that my dad had bought me a couple years before and kind of like strapped it to my belt and like hung myself out the window again. And I heard whatever I saw walking away from where I was heading. So popped out

and went over and, you know, whenever I met with my girlfriend that night. And that was the, that was, The things we'll do for women, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But, I mean, after that point, I know, like, I never went anywhere without something. Yeah. Like a little, like a shotgun or some kind of knife or something on me. Yeah, and it has a long history of it down there.

What did you, how far away from it from the same were you when you came out of the window? 20 feet or so. Oh, wow, really close. Yeah, super close. Like, like, I could see, like, I can make. out a very defined chest. I can actually see it breathing. I can see

it's just in root cage expanding as it took a breath in. I could hear all that. And for whatever reason, I didn't look up at its face. I just stopped it as a chest because it was like, I don't want to look at this thing in the eyes. And we've had, like, around that area, we've had like animals go missing all the dime. And everyone's just like, oh,

it's a coyote. Oh, it's a cougar. It's a pig. It's nothing. What did you think it was when he saw it? Or did you know what it was? I mean, I was kind of a nerd back in high school. I still am. I was a big nerd back in high school.

And so I had like been really avid into Sasquatch. And I'd seen like the Legend of Oggy Creek whenever I was in eighth grade. So maybe like four years before then. And so I was like, huh, possibly a Sasquatch. Who knows? Yeah, that's interesting. I wonder if you heard you coming out of the window, knew you were coming out. And I find it funny, though, because, you know, me now, I'd be like, no woman's worth that.

I'm going, you know, but at 15, I could see myself going, you know, I'll take my chances. You know what I mean? I got a nice. I'm good to go. Yeah, there was a part of me that I was like, oh, it's a big fascination. I loved, love Sasquatch. I loved watching all the documentaries. I just loved watching any movie about that.

It was super cool. And I was like, oh, you're happy. That's actually what I'm seeing. girlfriend wants me to come over. Mine's full, go ahead and do that. Because I, like, I figured it was safe because it was walking and the opposite direction, like, near, like, deeper into the woods. And I was going away from the woods. So I figured I'd be safe.

Did you tell anyone? Did you ever tell your parents or anything? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They thought I was crazy. Yeah. They were like, oh, they're like, oh, it's probably just a homeless man. I was like, okay, sure.

Yeah, I can see that. So you moved to Oregon. And you had, tell me about what happened in Oregon. Okay. This was actually like super recent, like I around my birthday. I just, I just turned 27 and we live 30 minutes from Vernonia. And we like to go camping out there. And I mean, we know a girlfriend.

We also like to go night hiking, which is super fun. You basically just stay on the trail. It's usually one or two, one or two miles. Not that bad. Well, this day we decided to go night hiking, and we wanted to just go on like a horse trail. So it was a paved trail. So there's, you know, less chance of, you know, falling off, hurting yourself or getting lost and all the kinds of stuff because it's literally just a paved trail through the woods. Well, so we park the, we park in Stub Stewart, and then we walk to the horse trail.

And I see, we're loaded up with all of our gear. because we know it's about four miles. It's like a four mile till the end of it and then like a two mile walk back. And we are, we start walking into it and, you know, my girlfriend's kind of scared just because it's, you know, one o'clock in the morning. We're in the middle of the woods. You know, have you ever every right to be a little spooked out. Well, we're walking and we're no more than 100 yards into this trail. and we're hearing snaps

and we're hearing like something walking on the left side of the trail towards us and so you know I'm kind of sitting there I'm like you know we did see we do see a bunch of black tail deer over here a lot

because it's out of season so they know they can be seen plus there's campgrounds over here people feed them so they're not really afraid of humans well we hear we hear like a really big thud.

I wouldn't call it like a tree knock or anything, but it felt like something heavy hit the ground. And so it's like, okay, you know, not really paying attention to that and thinking it's just deer. We take maybe a couple more steps and all of a sudden we hear like a, like three very deep and very distinct grunts.

And I hear it. I stop. I was like, okay, I'm not going to say anything unless my girlfriend heard it. And I turned around and looked at her and just a look in her face. And she's like, yep, she heard it. And so at that point, we stop and we hear two things walking off to the left.

I think because I never got to see them. But we hear two very distinct footfalls on the left side, like walking near us and kind of like circling us and trying to get, I guess, behind us towards the start of the trail. And my girlfriend says she heard something off to the right, but I personally didn't. or I would have got us out of there a lot quicker because, you know, surrounded just me only a 357 in my holster. Eh, don't like my odds there. We hear those three grunts and we start making our way out and we get out and that was the base at the end of it. We got a little spooked and we were just like, no, because we definitely heard something and we didn't want to see what it was just because, again, three of them, two of them, two of them, of us, I don't like my odds in that situation.

Yeah, it's a little unnerving. And I get a lot of reports from front of now. It's such a beautiful area, too. Oh, yeah. A lot of people go, you know, hiking through there. And did you ever go back? Oh, yeah. We actually went back, actually, this Thursday.

Her own was too, she was too afraid to really go any night hiking, even though I had, like a bigger, gun with us at the time. I had my shore barrel AR 10 like in my attached to my hiking pack. So I was like, it's fine. It'll be okay. And she just didn't want to get out of the car. So.

And did anything happen when you went back or was it pretty much quiet? No, it was pretty quiet. We didn't actually go onto the trail. We went to the parking area. We never even got out of the car. I mean, what was it? There was a time before that second counter on my birthday

that because of the second account, it actually made me, it actually solidified what I saw. And what happened? Again, night hiking invernonia. We get down the main road, and then we do about a mile and a half, and we turn around and we had seen a bunch of blacktailed deer

off to the left side of us. And, you know, we stopped, we shine. We're like, oh, hey, dear, hello, how are you? And not thinking anything of it. I grab a flashlight and I start shining it onto the right side of the road, like looking to see if there's any more deer coming out. And as I'm like, as I'm shining the light over and panning it, you know, left to right, I see something taller.

It looked like it had long hair and upright on two legs, move further to the right away from the light and duck behind a tree. And so I was like, okay. I just kind of ushered my girlfriend back to the cabin. I was like, hey, let's just go ahead and get back. And just on the off chance that what I saw was real, let's just, let's not be here anymore. I thought I saw like a human shape, like a larger human shaped thing on two legs with some long dark fur. And, you know, we were across from 10 or 15 blacktail deer.

and I was like, okay. So I don't want to, this, it's probably hunting. I don't want to be caught in the middle of it because we are a lot slower than deer. And I probably taste better than them. So let's go ahead and get out of there. So that happened before, did that happen before the other incident or after? Yes. It happened probably two or three weeks before.

And I was just like, I might have saw something. I might have just imagining it. Yeah. Curiosity getting him, man. That's why he went back. Oh, yeah. He can't pull me. I know why you went back.

You wanted to go back here. Not even going to lie. I was definitely like, yeah, let's go and see if it's real. I, you know, I want to see. I want to see this thing. You know, I want to prove that it exists. That's just who I am. Because, yeah, you know, there's always this big debate, but it's like,

like, there's proof out there. You can't just say no if you're not willing to go and look. Yeah, it's true. Did you tell your girlfriend what you saw that day? Oh, yeah. after we were safely back in the cabins, I mean, safe is a relative word. Yeah, I'd be careful doing those night hikes out there, man. Like I said, I've had a lot of encounters from that area.

But I will say, actually, from that particular area, the encounters I've heard have been pretty mild. They don't really seem to, I can't really think of anyone I've talked to from Vernonia or the surrounding area that really has had an aggressive encounter out there. It seems like they're more, I don't know, what the word is, laid back, you know, they seem more chilled out there. Oh, yeah.

Like, they, like, I don't know, whenever, you know, we went out there and they didn't, they didn't, like, show themselves and they didn't, I didn't feel like they were being aggressive. But, yeah, I was, I was kind of on edge at that time. Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine. What, um, what do you think Sasquatch is, Charles? What's your opinion?

It's got to be an animal. Gigantipithecus existed. They have fossil records of it. It was found in China. Mongolia and then around the time the whole land bridge came and from its from its fossils they say it's it's omnivorous So it's probably a pneumatic creature and it followed it followed the animals over the land bridge Into in the land bridge crossed you know Russia Alaska and then into the Pacific Northwest so Logic says has to be that's be a creature that that has existed and it's probably just around or still around

Yeah, absolutely. Well, be careful doing those night hikes, man. Do you guys have any plans on going back? Yeah, like, I'm working for the next couple weeks, so after that we probably will. Well, I appreciate you taking the time to come on and share, man. I enjoyed talking with you. Yeah, I appreciate it, man.

Hey, you know, if you ever want to join me on one of these night hikes, you got, feel free to, man. Yeah, I might take you up on that. I'll come arm to the teeth, though. I hope that's okay. I've got an AR-10. There you go. A wind bag at 10 millimeter pistol and at 357.

So feel free to use my arsenal. Absolutely. I might take you up on that. Thank you again, Charles. All right. No, from West. Have good day. Check out forehems.com.

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Oh, thanks for having me, Wes. Appreciate it. Yeah, no, I appreciate you being here. And I know with your first encounter, it kind of made me think of the second encounter with the dog man. But in order to get to that story, I guess we got to tell the first one, the first story that happened in Nova Scotia.

And if you would, would you mind starting from the beginning and tell us what happened? Sure. I believe I was going into grade eight, and it's about nine or ten o'clock at night. My brother and his friends had a campfire down in the field.

So we have a big field in behind the house, and we have a little path and there's another little field, and it's surrounded by woods. So my brother and his friends, they're probably 16 and 17 years old at this time. I'm like, I believe I was 12, 12, 13 years old. So they were basically down there just having a fire pit, hot dogs hanging out. They ended up all leaving, jumping in their cars and taking off kind of thing for the night. So my mom sent me down to go pick up after them, pick up all the food and all the condiments. everything.

So, you know, this summer, I remember I had a shorts and t-shirt on, and I walked down there and with the flashlight and a grocery bag in my hands, and I was never scared of the woods, especially in my backyard. I was always back there. So I walked down, went to the little pass, and went to clean up their mess, basically, and I was putting stuff in that grocery bag. And then all of a sudden, I just hear this crazy growl coming from the woods, and it was pitch black by this time.

I mean, I remember the night, I remember the moonshine, and that's about it in my flashlight, and that's pretty much all the light I had. So I remember this just growl coming through the woods, and it was so loud that it sounded like, I don't know, it just sounded like a huge, huge dog. Or almost like a, there was like a crazy, some crazy monster that's in the woods kind of thing. It was growling so loud.

It was just going through my chest, and I could feel it in my body kind of tapping. So I was showing the flashlight into the woods, didn't see a thing. And then I kind of growled again and I got scared and I honestly dropped the bag full of stuff. I dropped my flashlight because I could hear this thing moving and then all of a sudden it was moving faster and faster and I could hear the branches and the trees crashing and it sounds like a freight train coming through the woods.

So I grabbed, sorry, I dropped everything, started booting it back to the house, went through the little pass and once I got through the little paths to the big field, all I could see was my house porch light and the kitchen light on and that's what I was focusing on. So when I was running, that's what all I was really staring at. This whole time, the thing, I felt like this thing was behind me chasing me. I could feel everything around me kind of move a little bit. So whatever it was felt like it was huge and heavy kind of thing, right? So I just booked it back to the house. I ran in. Um, so long opened the door and my mom was in the kitchen and she, um, pale white basically. And she's like, what's wrong? What's wrong? And I was like, nothing. I was

like, uh, something scared me down there. I was like, I was like, um, I don't know what it was, but it chased me. And my mom was kind of like, oh, yeah, she's like, you know, it's nothing. There's probably a coyote or something like that because we have a lot of coyotes back there and a deer. But I know whatever it was was not a coyote. So I basically went in and my dad came out and he's like, what's wrong on? I was like, I got spooked. And that's the type of guy that he would have, he was an older guy and had a lot of heart problems.

But I knew he would have grabbed one of his guns and went down there looking for it. If I told him what I really thought it was, I didn't know what it was, granted to me, but I know it was huge. And it was no little, you know, no coyote or even a wolf. It was bigger than that. And bigger than that. To me, it felt like bigger than a bear. It felt like a person was chasing me. And I know it wasn't a person.

It was on two feet. So that's pretty much that story. I was scared. My parents, we never locked the door at night. I grew up in the country and everybody knew each other. My brothers weren't playing a game on me. They were all gone in town. So I know they weren't there.

And after that, I asked my parents to basically start walking the door every night. I don't blame me Now, did you guys go back down there Do you ever get the stuff and the stuff? That night, nobody, we didn't go down. My mom just said, we'll get in the morning kind of thing because it was it was just like a pack of hot dogs and like a ketchup

and a relish and a, you know, a mustard bottle, right? So the next day we, the next day my dad and I went down there and hot dogs were all gone, all eaten. The hot dog wrapper was still laying on the ground and the bag was ripped open. and then all the condiments and stuff were kind of like spread out all over the all over that little wine that that happened on by the campfire.

But I didn't really, at the time, I didn't even think it to look for anything. Didn't even look to, you know, we didn't see anything else. Basically, it was just all shredded and torn apart. Yeah, the one thing I find really interesting about your encounter, and we'll get to what you saw that one day with the dog man. But, you know, when you went home that night and you were telling me about the dreams you were having, and I was telling you, I don't mean to sound like a hippie, but I think sometimes our subconscious sees more than our eyes do.

I'm a firm believer in that. But tell everyone about the dream you were having after this incident. Crieked out and didn't want to tell anybody's and what my parents think I was going, you know, not basically, but I'm only like, you know, I'm about 12, 13 years old. I go to bed that night, and I have this dream that basically in my dream, all the bedrooms are upstairs in my house. So my bedroom, my brother's bedroom, and my parents' bedroom.

And then the kitchen, all the living rooms downstairs in the bathroom. So in my dream, all these wolves came into my house. In the kitchen, they were, sounds funny, but they were in the fridge, like rooting through the fridge for stuff. And basically, when they come up the stairs in my dream, they're coming towards my bedroom, and then I woke up. I woke up sweating and panicking.

My heart was, like, racing. So, yeah, that was that very same night. Well, and I'd like you to talk about some of the... Yeah, and I appreciate you sharing that. And I want you to talk about some of the weird things that happened outside of Bigfoot, or outside of this incident. But what I find interesting is you were telling me about the graveyard, which isn't far from that place.

And tell us about that. What you saw in the graveyard that day? What were you doing and what happened, if you wouldn't mind going into it? Yeah, sure. It's hard to talk about because I've only told it to you actually So this would probably be about a year later I was down

It was probably about four or five kilometers We're kilometers in Canada But four or five kilometers from my house And I was down at some of my friends We were all, you know, little couples We had our girl friends We were watching these movies and stuff And me and my buddy

I decided, you know, it was time to go home Because it was getting around probably 7, 8 o'clock at night and him and I were walking up the road and at the end of her road he would go left and I would go right to go home so we're kind of talking about the girls and stuff having fun we were in really, really good spirits kind of thing

just young kids having fun right so I went right he went left so I was walking home and I was getting a little dark now and like it's getting foggy and stuff like that still nothing really like you know crossed my mind I was just just walking home like on any other

any other day. And I come up towards, I come up this little hill and there's a cemetery on the right. And I'm just walking and something catches my eye coming down to cemetery because there's like trees and it's foggy. But I see there's a huge figure. Believe it or not, with almost like a, well, it was like a wolf's face and it's on two feet and it's walking down at the end of the driveway of the cemetery. And as soon as I see it, I stop in my tracks. And, and I see it, I stop in my tracks. And I'm just staring at it trying to figure out what it is if it's somebody in the costume or what's going on. But when I took a good look at it, it looked like the werewolf from Silver Bullet, to be honest with you. It had gray and kind of not curly hair, but just, I guess, thinned out hair.

So it almost looked like a, I don't know, like a dog or something, I don't know, just like a gray and then silver. And it was huge muskly. The legs were muscle. The shoulders were broad. and big and the thing wasn't even looking at me at first it was facing across the cross the road this is like a two with two lane road it's not used very very often especially at night so there's not a ton of traffic on it so why i'm staring at it and i'm frozen and basically i felt like i was frozen in time with this thing i'm staring at it and then all

a sudden it just looks over to the left where i'm standing and i'm probably a good i don't know how many i'm not good with distance but i'd say i don't know maybe a hundred feet two feet away from it like little ways away i guess right and it just stares at me for a second and then look straight ahead and puts his nose in the air and starts sniffing and it brings his head down and his mouth is open and i can see is almost like see his teeth like a dog's like a dog's on the center of something and it's just uh has his mouth open and he's breathing hard like it was tracking something basically and it puts his head down looks over me one more time, puts his head straight, and almost two steps across the road. That's all it took.

Then once it's on the other side of the road, it got down on all fours and took off through the woods. Yeah, I think that's fascinating. That's not far from your home, right? He said, what, four or five kilometers away? Maybe not even that, maybe like a 15, 20 minute walk. Oh, wow. That's really close. What did you think it was? What did you think you were looking at at the time? honestly in my head I thought it was somebody at first I thought of somebody playing a trick on me but I was like nobody then I started thinking like who would do this and who could afford something that crazy like to look that good right and then I just thought I didn't know what I was what to think honestly like that's what I thought at first when I started looking out a little

harder when I was staring at it because it was staring straight ahead so it still didn't notice me at this point but when I looked at me I knew it was something something that was real and something not from this world, to be honest with you. Scared the shit out of me. Excuse me, excuse my language. But it just kind of freaked me out and then it took off. So it looked like a wolf man, is what I call it. Yeah.

And I was telling you I get a lot of reports of those, you know, from cops that have almost hit them. And I don't know what to make of the dog man. You know, you get a lot of reports, too. I've heard of them coming out of graveyard. and I've been trying to put together what dog man is. And there is a history of it, but I don't know if we're all talking about the same thing. Like with the Samarians and the Egyptians, they talked about anubis. And he was the god, he was a guardian of the underworld.

And I find it strange that I've had a lot of dogman reports around graveyards, which is weird. What you saw, would you say it was physical, or was it more of like a ghost? Definitely 100% physical. physical yeah that's what everyone says strange man yeah i could see like i could see the fur and skin on this thing like i you could tell it was thick it wasn't a ghost let me oh you know it was just uh i could tell it was there and i knew what i was there and i'm just uh happy that it didn't want me whatever that's why i think it was tracking tracking something or it was going it knew where it was going or you know could i have me in a second yeah i already had plants and it was already going somewhere

and you were more or less just a nuisance, you know, that had to stop and look at you. Thank God, you know, because a lot of reports that people get close to them, they're very aggressive, very aggressive, and a lot of people think they're going to die when they're too close to that thing. Did you, and you hadn't told anyone about that? No, I've kept that a secret since I was 12 years old, like I was 12 or 13, but I've never told anybody that story is because I've seen it in my friggin, in my frigging, in my dreams, to be honest, you know, I think about it.

I've always thought about her over here. I'm 41 now. And I've always thought about that moment and how crazy it was, just that I've seen it myself, but I know what I saw. It was like if somebody said, you were just seeing things, there's no way because, like, the face on this thing with the, it was almost like it was smiling at me, but I think it was more of, more of attracting something and, you know, had his mouth water and, like, he wanted to eat something, right?

So. I don't know. you're chasing like a deer or something like that. Yeah, it's fascinating. That's a serious moment of my life. Oh, I can imagine, man. I can imagine. And so it's interesting that you saw that.

It makes me wonder if that's what originally was kind of chasing you back to the house. You know, especially after you start having dreams about wolves and coming into your home. I'm telling you, man, there's something to that. I really think, and I don't mean sound like a hippie, but I really think there's something to our subconscious. I think it sees more. than what we see with our eyes. Did anything else strange happen around that home? It did.

So like I was telling you earlier, unfortunately, when my dad passed away, he was, that's where he was buried in that same cemetery. So every, like I was telling you before, like after, you know, every time I go back there to see him, I go back a few times a year just to pay my respect. And I don't like going in there. I mean, it has nothing to do, you know,

has nothing to do with him passing. the way, I just always get that eerie feeling and it takes me back to that moment when that happened, right? Yeah, definitely. Another reason I probably didn't tell anybody either because it might make them feel uncomfortable that, you know, our dad's passed, our dad's buried there, but, you know, that incident happened. But also another time in the same backyard, just a couple kilometers away with that other incident happened with the campfire and the hot dogs and everything. I was back there on our full wheelers.

So me and my buddies would go back there. There was a bunch of four-wheeler trails, and we should do that all the time kind of thing, right? But I'd always go with a buddy, and I'd always go in the daytime, right? By this time, I knew there's something in the woods. So this is maybe like the same year, like a year later after all these other two incidents.

So actually probably a couple of years. I think I was 15 or 16. So my dad had this old four-wheeler, and I used to take it back there, and I'd always get a couple of buddies in mine and they get their parents, their dad's four-wheelers. So this one time,

you should go back there quite often, you know, never had never seen anything just see, like, deer or whatever. I always felt like something was watching me back there, no matter what I was doing,

if I was walking through the woods or taking the four-wheeler back there, I always felt something odd back there. So the one day, we went out, we went out all day. And at the end of the day, we were coming back

and we were going back these, these trailers back toward my house. So they're all in behind, uh, in behind that field and all that other, that other thing happened. And so I'm following my buddy.

So it's me. I'm on the back. I'm on the four-wheeler driving. My buddy's on his four-wheeler with my other friend. They're kind of, they're both on his four-wheeler. So I'm in the back. And we're just putting along this open trail. There's no trees around.

There's nothing really around. It just arms out sideways and not touch nothing, basically, right? So while I'm riding, this thing, something grabs my arm. Like, it felt like a big hand on my shoulder, on my right shoulder. and when he grabbed my arm he pulled back of my shoulders it twisted my because I had both hands

and full wheeler of course so when you grabbed my shoulder he twisted my arms also in my hands and my full wheeler I wasn't going fast but the four wheeler actually turned right and kind of like hit into a tree

and I didn't I look back right away because I know something grabbed my shoulder at the time I thought it was a ghost to be honest with you I don't know what it was but it grabbed my shoulder I turned to the right

hit the tree my friends were just you know just up ahead a little bit they stopped and they came back and they're like what's wrong and same thing I'm like

I'm pale white and these guys are like you know what's wrong with you what happened I'm like man something grabbed my shoulder and twisted me right and they're like well

we don't see anything and we got out and looked around we didn't see anything at all but I know for sure something grabbed me I don't know what it was

but there's no there's no buddy living back there or you know our neighbors wouldn't have done anything like that that. Yeah, that's pretty unnerving. That's really unnerving. Do you mind talking about the entity that you saw? And if you don't want to, we don't have to, John. But I think it's fascinating because I've heard it so many times off the air. So when I was same house, same property that we've been talking about these other encounters, my brother ended up moving out. So I ended up taking his room and his room was located. When you come up the stairs, you would see his room. You'd be full.

facing his bedroom. So I took over his bedroom when I was 16, 17 years old. Every time I go laying in bed, I'd watch TV. So my bed was facing where if I was laying down, watching TV, I'd be looking up the hallway, basically, right? So I've got the TV on, and I'd always, like, go up around 10, 11 o'clock, just like any teenager, go watch TV before you go to bed. And I'd always feel my parents would be in bed also, and they always shut their door.

Nobody else was living in the house, and all the lights were off, except for my stuff of the TV. And I'd always feel basically somebody watching me out in the hallway. Not every single night, but usually a couple of times a month at least or once a week. I'd always feel like this, basically I look out and I see this big shadow of a person with a top hat on. And it would always freak me out and creep me out, but I never told my parents because I didn't want my mom to be scared because she didn't like talking about ghost or anything like that.

I always knew something was there and something was weird. He'd always come out 12 o'clock at night, 1 o'clock in the morning. Just stand there and watch me for 20, 30 minutes, and I'd blink and he'd be gone, and then I wouldn't hear, I wouldn't see nothing. Sometimes I'd hear stuff at night in the walls

and stuff like that, but I always blame that on maybe an animal or something, I don't know. But I was here scratching in my walls in my bedroom, actually, too. But this thing, I never felt like it was a threat. I just felt like it was just eerie and odd that he would stand there and stare at me. And then this was, I guess I'm 41 now.

So last year I was talking to my brother and we were having a few beers and we were shooting darts and I started telling them about it. And I said, you know what? I was like when I took your bedroom over, I'd always see this weird figure out in the hallway. And I go when I'd watch TV at late at night. And he said to me, he goes, you've seen a black shadow man with a weird figure out of the hallway. man with top hat. And when he told me that, I got chills and almost passed out because I couldn't believe that. He actually told me, because I used to see the same thing when I stayed in that bedroom.

That house was over 100 years old, but at the same time, I never really got the true story when I was younger, and I didn't mention this when we talked earlier, but something weird happened in that house that locals kind of told me, like kids told me, like something about a man and his daughter and his daughter actually passed away when she was really young, I think, and he passed away, so I don't know if it's him coming back to, like, check on her

and thought out, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's hard to say. I've heard that entity showing up from other listeners. They'll say, hey, I've got to tell you this, but I don't want to say it on the air. And I remember the first time I heard it, I thought, well, you know, maybe it's someone who, like what you just said, maybe some guy died. It's kind of weird he has a top hat on. But, you know, I believe you.

And then I didn't hear about it again. And then I had another listener from a completely different state tell me the exact same story. And the top hat and he can't see his face. He's black for head to toe. And he just kind of watches. And it's not really like aggressive poltergeist activity. I've never heard of it. Everyone that's told me of seeing this entity, he just kind of stands there and watches.

He doesn't really throw anything at you. He doesn't, you know, attack you. It's just kind of bizarre. You know what I mean? If you ever get a chance to look it up, Shadow Man, Top Hat Man, I forget they call him something. But I've heard it many, many times. And, you know, your brother's telling you his confirmation, really, of what you saw. Yeah, my brother's not somebody.

He's a country guy. Like, he's not wanting to tell you about, like, ghosts and stuff like that. Like, he's a pretty laid-back guy, but I was very, very surprised. And he told me that he seemed the same thing when he used to live in the same bedroom, right? So that was really creepy. Yeah, were you ever able to see a face or eyes or anything with it? No, to be honest with you, I just seen this black figure. And I, sometimes I would say, Dad, what are you doing, Dad, or are you out there?

Because I thought it might be him, right? But he was, my dad always shut the door and I could actually hear my dad snoring in the next bedroom when this thing's basically two or three feet from my bedroom door just staring at me. And I'd like to see as a black figure with a, with a hat and just he was still, he never came in my bedroom. He never did anything. I never threw anything at me or said anything

or I could never hear anything. The only, the only thing I could ever hear was scratching the walls and stuff like that, which I don't know, that could have been anything, I guess, but. Man, I bet you'd be great in a war. He'd be the guy I'd want side by side to me in a war

because you don't freak out over much, it sounds like, you know what I mean? No, I think after that Wolfman encounter, After that, I don't scare it too much. Like, I've been in some crazy situations, and I stayed pretty calm. Yeah, I can imagine. Well, tell me what happened in North Carolina. What was a place called, Pumpkin?

So, Pumpkin Town, South Carolina. This is probably, I think, and let's see, I'm trying to think of what year it would have been. Let's see, I'm just just sorry. But it's about 14 years ago, because I remember I was 20 years, I was 26, 27 years old. I took a trip down to a South Carolina, Greenville. South Carolina. And I was with a couple of buddies of mine. Another one of my friends from Nova Scotia was on vacation

down there with me. So there was three of us, three friends, one of my friend's brother and his wife's, and the couple was in the military, so there were those four guys and our girls. So we go out to Pumpkin Town, South Carolina, middle of nowhere,

and we were going camping. So it poured rain all day long. We got out there late. Everybody went ahead and set up camp and me, my other friend, we got there late because we were picking up up beer and stuff like that. So you have to walk, basically it's a convenience store and you have to walk a mile into the woods just to get you a campsite. And there's nobody else there. We're the only ones that was probably early in the season or whatever it was.

But, you know, we made a fire and we were hanging out, catching up on old times kind of thing, drinking a few beers. And it gets kind of like late at night, 11, 12 o'clock, and fire's kind of going down. The rain finally stopped. We actually put up a tarp so we could hang out underneath the carp, and we had a picnic table under there. And everybody, we all go in this military tent. We all go to bed.

They're all in our sleeping bags. And we have my buddy's dog with us, Max, he's a little Labrador. Everybody pretty much passes out. I think everybody had a lot to drink, but they're all pretty heavy sleepers. And I'm a super light sleeper, so I'm just about to doze off. all of a sudden, Max basically gets up and starts growling, and I can hear something coming towards the tent. The way we're situated in the woods was the campsite,

and then if you walk out of the tent, it's actually a big hill, and then there's a huge lake right in front of us. So Max starts growling, like, going crazy, and I've never heard this dog growl like this before in my life. Super sweet dog. And then all of a sudden I just see this big shadow, come up to the tent and I can see it through the tent and I'm kind of facing the lake in the campfire and then I see this huge shadow come up and just kind of stand there facing

facing the tent like it was staring at us right it did have like a cone like a cone shaped head and I wasn't even thinking about big foot or anything back then didn't know what to think I thought it was a bear at first but just the way it was standing up on on two feet and long arms I was just like, okay, this is something else. So I'm panicking. The dog's growling. I'm trying to basically wake up everybody. Nobody would wake up.

There's a, we had an ax in the, in the tent, because I don't want to, I don't know why we brought it in, but we didn't want to leave it out there. So I grabbed the axe and I held it and I was still laying on the ground. And I was waiting for, basically waiting for this thing to start ripping open the tent. And I'm ready to start swinging. But it didn't. It just stayed there and it just stared at me for,

maybe a minute or two. I was trying to get Max to basically shut up and not growl because I want this thing to hear them. And then the thing just walks away and walks out of sight and never, I didn't sleep all night, but it just never came back and it never did anything else. Yeah, it's terrible. Did you tell your buddies the next morning or did you just kind of want to go? No, I told them because they knew I didn't get any sleep because I woke up with that axe on my, basically holding it on my chest.

and while I didn't wake up I guess I was just laying there and maybe fell asleep for 20 minutes but when we got up I told them and they were kind of didn't believe me they're like oh you're just you know seeing things but I didn't do any drugs or anything you know that night and I was pretty much only had four or five beers so I know what I saw and so does max right so um I just sleep at all that night I we drove an hour back to my buddy's house because we're staying at his parents house and I I was so tired. I had to go to sleep. And those guys all went back, I went to the, you know, I think they went shopping or something like that. But I ended up sleeping all day because I didn't sleep all night last night, you know, that night. Yeah, I had to laugh. You're like, so does Max. You know, Max could talk.

You'd be like, hell yeah, there was something outside of our tent, you know. We were a team that night. Yeah, exactly. But, yeah, that's interesting, too, the dog's reaction, you know, to, it might have got the thing to back off. It was, you know, a lot of times when they come into camps like that, You always hear him taking stuff and going through stuff. And maybe Max scrowling it probably wasn't afraid of Max, but didn't want everyone waking up.

It's hard to say. Or maybe it was just curious. You know, what was your impression? Like, it was just stumbled up onto the camp and decided to check things out? I think it might have came from the lake and came up the hill. That's my vision of it. Because when he was kind of like, I think a little, like, I was just, I guess I was just trying to fall asleep and just staring at the tent. And then that's when I seen, or Max started growling.

Very crazy, like a wild animal, right? And I've never heard him grow like that. And then all of a sudden, there was just huge shadow appeared. And then it was just, yeah, it was just staring at me. And dog was going crazy. And I just felt like it was going to start ripping place apart. It could have been a human, but there's nobody else out there but us. And it was, you know, probably around 1 o'clock, 2.000.

o'clock by now. Yeah, human doesn't really make sense, especially the way Max was growling. You know, most humans would quickly back away, especially if they're coming in trying to be sneaky. Did it ever make any noise? Did it ever, I mean, was it, could you hear it breathing or was it pretty much quiet? The only thing I could hear was when it was, I knew something was coming when you started growling, I could hear something, almost like the ground moving, when I could feel something coming up to the tent. So I could feel large, like something very, very large, taking steps. I heard some breathing, but I don't know if that was me or

but I can hear something. I can hear a breathing, but it's not. It wasn't overwhelming, crazy breathing, right? I think it, we surprised it when he came up over that hill, like he didn't expect that tent to be there. And I, I don't know, like, I think he's, I think he was more of like just looking at us trying to see what we were, right?

Kind of like what we were doing or whatever, but nothing, I don't think anything got touched in the campsite or anything like that either. Just probably curious. What do you think Sasquatchez, John? What's your opinion? I don't know. Like all this stuff happened when I was really young,

and then when I get older, just recently in the past year or two, I just started thinking about, you know, I started listening to your podcast, honestly, and then I'm like, man, that kind of like happened to me. That feels like, you know, my situation, right? So I think they're out there. I think they came from probably over from Asia.

I don't know. I read something where, you know, there was, what were they called? The bridge or something from over there? Yeah, the Lambridge. Yeah, the Lambridge. And I think they're here. I don't think where I live, I think there are a lot in Vancouver, B.C. and your way. I think there's a few here, very few in Nova Scotia, but I think they're here.

I just think they're, I don't know. I think they're big foot, man. I've always thought there was something out there that was, you know, because too many people have seen things, right? Yeah, it's too hard to pinpoint exactly what it is. But, you know, it's a fascinating encounter. You know, with the dog man, I don't know. Again, I don't even know where to begin with dog man.

But a lot of people have seen them. A lot of very, very credible people have seen this dog man creature. I don't think I've ever talked to someone that saw it, and I thought, oh, they're nuts. You know what I mean? everyone I talked to, you walk away and they tend to have a lot of details about what they saw and everything like that. But I appreciate you coming on and sharing it. You know, I know some of the things you've never talked about, and I'm honored you would come on and share it on the show.

Thank you for doing that. No, man. I appreciate it. It's almost like a therapy for me to be honest with you. I appreciate you having me. Thanks, John. And that's it for tonight. Everyone, remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatchronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone. Country faster than the coronavirus and wearing sports analysts and respected sports handicapper

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