Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:545 Shots FIRED!

Episode Date: May 26, 2019

A listener writes "I shot one in 1995 deer hunting in the area around Oregon caves out of cave junction where I live. Have had a few other encounters and photos of footprints while hunting wild mushrooms, let me know if you are interested..." He said he was hunting and the night before they kept hearing someone or something around their camp. The next day he found a large boulder to sit on that over looked a clearing. He sat for awhile... then something stood up. The witness said "He was looking directly at me and I could see everything. I do not remember chambering a round. This thing started running so fast and I started shooting. I know I hit it 3 times in the back. It fell to its knees and got up and just ran off. I realized it was running in the direction of our camp and my friend was at the camp. I heard my friend start shooting. I ran back to the camp while it was leaving. The following night was a nightmare. Several of these things showed up and they were mad. I fired off almost all the ammo I had that night. The next morning we left. There are other things that happen." -------- Our second guest writes, "June 2009, early summer here in West Virginia. I lived in Ohio County on the outskirts of Wheeling. Which I know is a major city, yet it's surrounded by thick tree on top of tree strangling wilderness. I lived approximately five miles outside of town back in the rural suburbs on a gravel road with two other neighbors. The property line of my house pressed right up against the Spidel Golf Course of Olgebay Park. I could see the 18th hole flag from my porch. There is a large tree in the middle of my yard, the yard itself slopes downward it's some what of a hill. A few things happened leading up to this encounter, now I'm not gonna say I never believed in Sasquatch. I'm an open guy, I've had some run ins with the paranormal. From things that happened in my child hood to my early adult life. Yet I thought that this was a Pacific Northwest phenomenon, I had never heard of these creatures in Appalachia. If I knew now what I knew then, talk about going down the Rabbit Hole. All that opened up to me after seeing these things. I can't rightly remember what day it was, all I know is it was around 10 pm. And my wife at the time, and I were about to leave the house and go to Blockbuster before it closed. I walked out onto the porch and let my cat out, he was a big ole tabby. And wasn't afraid of damn near anything. As I walked down the three steps of the porch, I saw a flash of white and my cat had zipped back up the stairs and straight back into the house as I had left the door open. I just shook my head and began walking the path around to go down the other stairs to where we parked the cars. I stopped in my tracks, this overwhelming feeling of being watched. I'm not gonna lie I was petrified, yet I lifted my head up and started scanning the barrier of thickets and bramble that marked my property line. I saw some eyes looking back at me, the light from my porch making these eyes shine an orange like color, almost red. I stared at it, as it stared at me. I was about forty feet from the creature. It stood leaning against a tree, not just leaning it had on arm wrapped around the tree itself and even as it stared at me it would slowly rock to the side. I myself couldn't move, I was frozen in place and the fear that gripped me. Was unlike anything I had ever felt before. It didn't make any threatening motions, nor did it purse it's lips or any of that monkey stuff. It was ape like and yet humanlike. The stare down only lasted two minutes, but it felt like an eternity. My wife called out to me from inside the house, the creature took it's eyes off of me and looked towards my doorway. I too looked back at the door way, and then my head snapped back to the creature. It was no longer standing there, it was now walking away up a rolling hill side. In the light of the moon I could make out it's back muscles and butt. It was like a guy on steroids. It kept walking until it disappeared into the tree line at the top of the hill. I tried to tell my wife about it, but she just thought I was trying to scare her. She would eventually believe me, as this wouldn't be the last time we saw it or others. A few weeks would pass before we saw anything more, but upon seeing it. It opened my eyes up even more to the on goings around me. From the sounds I heard to things, I would notice. From something slapping the house in the middle of the night, to finding big rocks on the roof of my back porch. Blood curdling screams, that sounded like the came from not to far away. I'm not a hunter, but I do know the woods around me. I am however an avid fisherman, and I spend a lot of time down on the Ohio River and the creeks that bleed into it. I was a boy scout as a kid and we had to identify animals and their traits to gain badges. And I'm telling you there is no animal like this animal out there. I tried telling my family, my dad said no such thing. And my mom had a good chuckle. I apologize for not giving you more to go on. Hope to hear from you soon." -------- And our final guest writes, "We have had several strange occurrences during the past two years. The following have been occurring:Our dogs in our kennel have been barking non-stop all night, every night for the past year up to about 3 weeks ago (see below). On one occasion, one dog kennel (chain link fencing) was smashed in as if a bear or other large creature had tried to get at the dogs. We have had bear sightings in the past two years. However, that bear was shot and killed by a local farmer about 1 1/2 years ago (prior to this incident). No other bear activity since that time to our knowledge. Our next door neighbors have also heard whoops and other odd noises. The gentleman that lives there is a true frontier-style woodsman and has lived on the land all his life. As an avid hunter and outdoorsman, he is extremely familiar with the land and surrounding properties. These are noises he is unfamiliar with and has never heard on the property before. My wife and I have heard whistles, whoops, grunts, and tree knocking. Upon arriving home one evening, there was a very loud tree knock as we exited our vehicle. We have heard what sounds like two men having a muffled conversation behind our home a few times. Often, after dark specifically, there is an occasional wet dog/skunky smell in the air and noises in the surrounding woods. Our motion sensor lights have been tripping almost nightly (until 3 weeks ago). On the property and surrounding properties, there are large rock formations that are tall and deep enough for animal dens." -------- Visit Dukecannon.com right now and get 15% off your first order with the promo code SASQUATCH. Free shipping on orders over $35

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs were showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out, maybe grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Figure out the board, and this big guy spins me around, and he's obviously drunk at this point,

he's like, tell me about, I need to know about them moving unnatural. And I go, what? You said they move unnatural. Explain yourself. And I was like, what are you talking about? I was like, I'm kind of in the middle of something right now. I'm not trying to be a dick, but can we talk later? I was like, I'm really kind of in the middle of something.

Well, all right. Turns his back, starts walking off. So I go back to working on the board. And I feel someone like lean over behind me and he's like, I need to know. Comes up real close to my hair. I need to know. What did you mean when he's, said unnatural.

And I leaned around, I was like, are you kidding me? Is this guy for real? Is your name really bingo? No, my real name is Trinidad. Well, I'm going to call you bingo. Nickname is bingo. Everybody knows me as bingo. You were a pain in the ass that night.

So go ahead and apologize to me and it'll all be over with. Go ahead. I'm waiting for my apology. Maybe you read a book when I was... Is your mother a little ashamed that you show up? and you're hammered and you harassed podcasters at live events. My mama is

proud of me. My mama is so proud of me because, and I got a full scholarship because of the way I played football, the heart that I played with. And my mom is so proud of me because everything I come to here, she didn't have to pay for my coach. Yeah, you bench like 900 pounds, Bingo.

There's not many two, not too many guys out there at the convention, 900 pounds, you know what I mean? And that was Bingo. everyone. Greatest caller ever. I enjoyed interviewing him on Friday night show. I know a lot of the members didn't care for them, but

you know, and our friendship got off to a little rocky start, but you know, we really like each other now. And I thought bingo was hilarious. I thought he was very entertaining. And I know the members are like, keep him on the public shows, not on the member only shows, but I'm going to unleash him on the public. I can't wait. I'm so excited.

Here's a fun fact. In In 1976, a Soviet pilot defected to Japan in his advanced Mi-25 fighter, which Russia demanded be returned. Japan complied, but only after allowing American engineers to examine the aircraft. Japan then shipped it back piece by piece and billed Russia $40,000 in transport and labor costs. I guess God bless America. You guys never said you wanted it back in one piece.

I kind of blame Russia for this story. You know, he said we, you know, didn't have to come back in more. one piece. You guys never said we couldn't take a little peek under the hood. Memorial Day will be observed on Monday, May 27th. And it commemorates the men and women who died while in military service. I want to thank everyone out there who serves this country, a lot of heroes, men and women. Thank you so much for your service. And thank you so much for listening to the show. Well, let's get into the show tonight. I burned up a lot of time with that intro. The Bingo guy, man, he's hilarious.

You know, I don't think I ever actually got an apology from that guy, which is even more hilarious. Tonight we'll be talking to three different guests. A couple people have them on their property, and one gentleman actually shot it. Shot one of these creatures in the back when he was hunting. Very fascinating story. If you've had an encounter and he'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquash Chronicles.com. Let's jump into it tonight.

I want to welcome Kyle to the show. Kyle, thanks for coming on. Pleasure having me. I mean, you. No, no, no. It's good, man. I'm really appreciate the fact that you came on. And I know there's a lot of things that happened in West Virginia.

If you would, before we get to the siding, what kind of things were happening around that property prior to you actually seeing it? Just odd noises. I had this big bay window in the basement. I know it's odd to have a bay window in the basement. But this was like a kind of apartment upstairs and down. downstairs that someone just said screw it and turned it into an actual house. I'll be down there at night, you know, working on the floor and painting and just odd something walking past the window or you just feel real, uh, not safe even in a house.

Yeah, just a lot of strange things that were going on. Did you ever, did you ever pinpoint to what it was or what, why he had such an uneasy feeling prior to the siding, I mean. Woods are creepy sometimes. you know, that's just, that's all I ever thought about. I was like, you know, maybe it's just, there's a deer out there watching me. I mean, Racken, I'm terrified Racken, so. Yeah, you and me both. You know me both.

Well, tell me about the night of your sighting. What were you doing and walk us into what happened? What did you see? It was in June 2009. I do not rightly remember the day. It was about 10 o'clock at night. I had just opened the door to step outside, and my cat took off outside, big old fat tabby. But he was an outside cat.

He was, you know, used to just being outside. So I'll walk down the steps and start walking down to the car because we were trying to get the blockbuster. Yes, this is when Blockbuster existed. You know, go turn in movies, pick up some new movies. We didn't have exactly cable out there. So it was the only way to really entertain ourselves. I started walking down the forge, and my cat shoots back in the house. But that's odd for him.

He's big. He's even taken on the neighbor dog a couple of times. So that's a little odd. And I just keep walking, and then I stop because I just, I feel very uncomfortable. Something was watching me. so sorry man talking about this always freaks me out that's all right man you're doing fine so you know when something's staring at you normally your eyes scan and find it um i looked up on to the hill and there was this large oak tree like right on the edge of my yard

like you know where the grass grows up against it where we don't cut and This thing was standing there, leaning against the tree, staring at me. He had one arm wrapped around the tree. He kind of rocked, you know, back and forth, like leaning outwards and then back to the tree itself. I didn't exactly feel threatened, but I was too scared to move. And we just stared at each other. Yeah, it's unnerving. It's very unnerving, you know.

Oh. Can you describe for the audience what you saw? Where the grass grew up, I can only see about, I'd say, his kneecaps and up. They had real long black hair. It was kind of matted in places like maybe around his chest and his shoulders. And I could see, I could see that charcoal, like gray skin of his skin of his face. They didn't make any mouth, you know, movements towards me or anything like that. Just continued to stare at me. It had a short nose, like, kind of pushed in. You know, they say

like they have, like, they look like they have Down syndrome and whatnot. Yeah, some people say that, yeah. It didn't. It looked more man than ape. And how far away from you is it, Kyle, when you're looking at this thing? I mean, what kind of a distance are we? talking about. Say about 40, maybe 50 feet. Oh, wow, really close. It's not like he's a football field away or anything. He's right there. No, he was right on the edge of my yard. And when you say more human-like, as opposed to ape-like, are you talking about the facial expressions or just the way he stood like a man? How do you define that? I say it was his facial, his face. Like, he had high cheekbones. I couldn't really see his ears. Body-wise, he did not look like a man. I mean, his arms

were just way too long. The way he was able to, like, wrap around that tree, but, like, still have some arm lengths, you know, because that was, that wasn't a small tree. That was a big tree. How big do you think he was? I realize you're guessing at 50 or 50 feet, you know, something to that extent, but in your best estimation, how big would you say he was? Well, from where he was standing, I thought that he was standing on like a knoll. I thought he was. I went back out there like the next morning and took tape measure to the tree. But my guess when I first saw him was maybe about a little over seven foot.

And what did you? Or go ahead. The tape measure. He was about eight foot nine. Oh, after the tape measure? Yeah, because the way the grass grows up right there, there's a bunch. There's hillside and then there's a dip. he was standing in the dip.

So you guys are looking at each other. What happens next? My wife at the time obviously didn't hear me start the car. So she yelled out the door, you know, hey, what are you doing? So I was able to break my gaze from him and look back at the house. And she didn't come outside. But when I look back, he was now looking at the doorway and nodded me.

You know? and then I look back again to make sure she was coming, you know, like, you know, are you seeing this thing? And by the time I look back the second time, he was already walking up the hill. Back turned to me and everything. And did it appear to be like manlike as it was gone up the hill, or would you say it was more ape-like? I know you're getting a view now from behind. He walked like a man, like hunched, but in low. I mean, I couldn't take the steps he took.

I mean, my knees are already bad, but I couldn't. Just the way he moves, kind of like to the ground, but not, does that make any sense? Yeah, kind of hunched over. Yeah, I completely get what you're saying. What did you think you were looking at at the time? I mean, what was going through your mind when you saw this thing? I need to get out of here now.

Yeah. I always believed that Bigfoot was a possibility. But that's the Pacific Northwest. That's where they're from. That's where all the sightings happened. It wasn't, I honestly didn't know what I was looking at. You know, like it's not a gorilla. It wasn't a man.

Yeah, and I think a lot of people have that opinion, Kyle, especially down there and like you get to Kentucky, West Virginia, those areas, and I don't think it's talked about as much. I almost think there's more that goes on there than in the Pacific Northwest. I just think people, there's a weird culture here in the Pacific Northwest where people will talk about it. You'll drive around and see Sasquatch bars. You'll see Bigfoot bars. You'll see museums and everyone's pretty open about it here. You know, either someone has seen one or they know someone who's seen one. And you get that same thing down where you're at, down in the West Virginia, Kentucky area, except for the fact that

they don't, people down there don't talk about it. They don't openly discuss it. And I'm really sure why that it is, if it's a cultural thing or not. But I've probably talked to more people off the air from Kentucky, West Virginia area than you've ever heard on the air because they don't want to come on. You face a lot of ridicule around here. That's what I heard. Yeah, that's what I heard that there definitely is. Well, before we get into your theories and everything like that, you had mentioned you had two other encounters. Now, did those other encounters happen on the property? Yes and no.

The other happened a little closer to where I live now. Like I said, when we talked, I started to notice things that I didn't notice before. You know, in the middle of the night, something slapped the house. rocks. We had a where our kitchen sat up at, you could look down onto the roof of the back porch. And there's just these big like fifth size rocks up on top of that roof. No idea where they came from. You know, it's not like I live up on a mountain side or anything like that where rocks could fall off the hill into a house. There's just nothing but trees but me.

Yeah, they'd almost have to be thrown up there for them to to be on the house. So this is relatively close to your property. You said that you had that first experience? Yeah, I live about 15 miles north of there from now. Well, tell me about it. What happened? One night, we were all sitting on the porch, which is that same place. We were grilling.

And it's real dark, real dark. And that thick of trees, like where I saw that first one. you know, that's all pretty well overgrown. It's late into the summer now. I kept hearing these noises, like grunts and growls and... You've seen the silhouette of these things before, right? Like, it's just dark enough to where you can see there.

Well, there's one there, but you can't actually see it. Right, yeah. There were, like, three of them. And they were going back and fell forth between these bramble patches, just hooping and holler around. making all kinds of racket. And we were on the porch. We went in the house after that.

I don't know what they were doing up there, but I know that there's a game trail that runs through there. And deer comes through there a lot. Or maybe they were just curious as what the hell we're doing on the porch. Yeah, it's interesting. I've heard that before. I've heard that personally myself, and I've heard other witnesses describe that.

And I'm like trying to explain to them. I was like, take a, And you might disagree with this, but I was like, take a bunch of monkeys, cross it with what you perceive to be caveman. And that's kind of what I heard. You know, it sounded like they were up there somewhere between animals and people. It sounds like they're having a party up there. Honestly, I don't disagree with you. I agree.

Yeah, it's odd when you hear it. And I think it's a hunting thing. I think they go off after they hunt. That's my theory, but I don't know. What did you think was going on? Do you think it was more or less because you guys were on the problem? property and they were reacting to that? They didn't seem to...

I don't feel like at any point in time they were directing at us because they were about a good 60, 70 feet away. Like I know, that's still pretty close. Yeah, that's really close, ma'am. They didn't seem to pay us any mind. Yeah, it makes you wonder why they were going off.

Well, tell me about the second encounter. Well, I guess it would be the third technically, but tell me about the other encounter that you had. Oh, me and a friend were out on this road. It's called Pierce's Run. And a good-sized creek runs right alongside the road. And there's like, you know, natural waterfalls and just really deep parts of the creek. Well, we spent a couple of weeks digging out this underneath of this waterfall.

And we dug it out pretty good to where we could turn it into our own little personal swimming hall. And this is one of those roads that's really out. the sticks. Nobody goes on it. Few people live on it. Well, you know, after all that hard working effort, we went out there. We start swimming one day. We got having a good time. And I saw a deer up on the hillside. Not that really means anything. It was running up the hillside pretty quickly too. And then pebbles kept like falling in the water around us. And I started looking around, you know, like, my friend's like, oh, man, maybe it's just a deer. Maybe when he was running up the hill, you know, he kicked some rocks back down at us.

And I'm like, yeah, that's a possibility. We just started looking up and up at the trees. Like, you know, maybe it's like walnuts or something falling off the trees. You know, they're not, there's no nuts on the trees, so nothing was falling down. And it just kept happening. And then that feeling we talked about, I felt, I just overcame me. And I was my friend, I was like, let's just get out. out of here. He's like, why, man? I'm like, let's just go. We just, we need to leave. We,

we shouldn't be here. So, we left. And I mean, I don't know. Could have been that deer. Could have been that deer. I don't think it's that likely. I mean, I'm not afraid of a deer. Yeah, especially pebbles being thrown. I think that throws most people off, especially hunters. I hear it mainly from hunters where they're sitting in an area and all of a sudden they start getting pelted with pebbles and they can't figure out really where it's coming from. It's not, obviously pebbles don't fall from trees. And unless someone's out there throwing it, what else could it be? You know what I mean? It's fascinating.

It makes me wonder if they're still kind of around that property. Let me ask you, Kyle, what do you think Sasquatch is? If someone were to ask you, hey, what do you think Sasquash is? I mean, you got a good look at one. what would you say to them? See, and I've thought about this a lot over the years. And I've listened to your show a lot over the years. So there's so many ideas that come to mind.

I don't think this is, like I said, I don't think it's a biblical thing. But I don't know, you know. So much of this world, we don't yet understand. I believe, I want to believe that it's flesh and blood. Like, you ever heard that saying that Jimon's only a 10% their brain unlocked. Yeah, I think it's actually less than that.

But yeah, I've heard that before. Well, what if these things have more, you know, like, if they're supposedly so human-like. Yeah, it's a, it's a, go ahead, I'm sorry. But I just don't rightly know. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that. And it's not a trick question. I think sometimes people think it's a trick question where I'm going to be like,

aha, I got you. But the beauty of that question is no one really knows. And no one's really wrong. And I've heard everything from, aliens to Nephlam to apes to people to and there's no wrong answer you know how can you criticize someone's answer when you don't know you know you have no clue one way or another I don't think they're furry for his friends I would agree with you on that I would agree with you on that I think and you might disagree with me on this but I think there is a humanity in them

in the same way there's humanity in chimpanzees or you know apes or you know even your dog sometimes you can look at it maybe I'm I'm oversimplifying things, but they are, I would say they're more animalistic than human-like. There's definitely some intelligence in those eyes. Exactly. You would have to be an idiot. And when people say, oh, they're human, I kind of get what they're saying. You know, I can't give those people too hard at a time.

I don't think they're human. But I understand when people say that. And I, you know, you could make an argument for some of that stuff. But I honestly think they're more animalistic than they are. are human. That's my own question for you, Wes. Sure. We've ever heard of these things throwing snowballs? No. All right. Probably a good thing. Nope, just, uh, why? Why do you ask? A story of friend told me at work one day. Of them throwing snowballs? Of something throwing snowballs from the woods about four o'clock in the morning. I was like, I, I, you probably got kids

just messing around your house. Yeah. And that argument, sometimes I wonder. about because, you know, like in Kentucky, man, it's a great place to get shot. You start screwing around with someone out there in the middle of the wood. I mean, not just Kentucky. I mean, you can say the same for Washington State. It was the same for West Virginia. Yeah. I mean, Texas, any state, really, you go out to some of these properties where people are out in the middle of nowhere. And, you know, 911 might be two hours before a cop shows up. So you're going to be facing the end of a barrel in most cases. And so I just had a lady I was talking to. She's like, I thought it was a prowler slapping our house.

And I'm like, you live in the middle of freaking nowhere in Kentucky. There's no way. I mean, you'd have to have a lot of balls to walk up and start slapping someone's house in the middle of the night because your chances of getting shot are pretty high. Right. Like, even that place is where I lived at Wheeling, it wasn't terribly residential, but I had neighbors. You know, it was snug up against a golf course, which is just, you know, they always say, well, they're not in residential areas.

You ever heard of encroachment? Yeah, I think that they are. I mean, in most cases, if you look at, you know, I look at a lot of encounters here in Washington State. And to be honest with you, they are in residential areas. In fact, I would say most encounters happen around residential areas as opposed to being, hey, it was 100 miles out in the middle of nowhere and I ran into these things. I would say most encounters actually happen around, you know, not like downtown L.A., but, and you're right, I think it's encroachment.

I think you have your 100% right. Well, yeah, we didn't have coyotes like about 20 years ago. Coyotes weren't that big of a thing. Now, my neighbor's chickens, they're all gone. Coyotes. You know, my neighbor's dog, cat, gone, coyotes. And you actually see them running up and down the hillside. They're getting pushed out of their natural areas.

Yeah, and I think that's what's happening with these things. I think that they, as we build farther and further out, You know, you can look at encounters here in Washington State, for example, and there's a town called Battleground. And in the 70s, there was a lot of encounters in Battleground. You won't see that today. It's farther north where people are having encounters because the city's grown so much. There's too many people around. It's not like Battlegrounds very big anyway.

But not far from there. If you go north a little bit, you'll see encounter after encounter after encounter. And I think that we are pushing them. But, you know, with your encounters, you have to keep me up to date. Let me know if anything else happens. I know you're only 15 miles away, but still relatively close, ma'am. You have to let me know if anything else happens, will you? I definitely will, but I tend to stay away from those areas now.

Yeah, I don't blame you, man. I don't blame me one bit. When I first stumbled upon it, that was all the rage. It was all I could think about. I couldn't sleep. I just wanted to learn more. As I was listening to your show, it's a surprise I haven't been eaten yet. And I was like, you know what?

These aren't 404 as friends. Because, you know, that's what people think most of the time. Like, you know what? Like that missing 411 stuff, I don't want to be part of those numbers. Yeah, you and me both. You and me both. Well, I know you were apprehensive coming on. I appreciate coming on, Kyle.

I enjoyed hearing your encounters and your take on things. Well, I appreciate it too, and I will keep you up to date. Thanks, brother. Well, next up, I want to welcome, from Kelly to the show. Kelly, thanks for coming on. Wes, thanks so much for having me. I'm really excited about this. Yeah, I'm excited to have you on, and I know you definitely have activity going on in your property, and I'll include the picture of the footprint that you sent me underneath this episode.

And you've had a lot of things happen to you out there in Kentucky. When did all this start, if you would, just kind of walk us into it and walk us into when you actually saw the creature. How did all this begin on the property? Well, basically, my husband has lived on the property most of his life except for a hiatus that we took in another part of Kentucky. And there were things that he saw as a teenager, but as far as, like, you know, major activity, it started probably the first part of this year that we started really putting two and two together. Now, I could go back a couple years and say, well, this could have been involved or that could have been involved. or that could have been involved. But honestly, at that point, it would just be speculation,

and I'm too much of a skeptic to, you know, try to tie things to something, and if I'm not 100% certain of what I was experiencing. Yeah. So in February, we started experiencing really, really strong skunk smells, you know, kind of that wet dog, nasty mop water, skunky kind of smell. You know, and at the time we thought, well, we've got coyotes spinning nearby or something,

along that line. And again, the skeptic in me also realizes that it could have been coyotes. But it wasn't a consistent smell. You know, like, you've got a coyote in there, the house. It's going to smell that way pretty much all the time. You know, it's not going to be just episodic, I guess. Sorry, I say I'm a lot. So, you know, we would see skunks in the area from time to time, but not really down in the part of the road that we live on. Usually they were two to three miles up the road. There's a ridge line, and they seem to hang out there quite a bit. We didn't ever see skunks on our property, but then we would get this really strong skunk

smell, and it would be when, because we work an odd shift, and we get home, you know, anywhere from 9 o'clock at night to 3 o'clock in the morning, and it would seem like we would get home, we would get out of our vehicle, and we would go up to the house, we would go back outside to feed the cats, and that's when we would smell the skunk smell. It wasn't when we first pulled in. It was actually later when we went back out to feed the outside animals. So that was a little odd in my opinion, but again, you know, I could logic that away. Then there was one morning we were leaving probably five o'clock in the morning, and the skunk smell was overwhelming. And then there was this loud treenoch. And I'm calling it a tree knock because, you know, that's the thing

it, I think people will understand, you know, what it sounded like. Could it have been a branch breaking? We didn't really have a really severe winter this year, so it wasn't icy. You know, we hadn't had a lot of heavy snow or anything of that nature. So it didn't seem like it was just a tree branch breaking. And it was a very distinct, I mean, you know, pop of a knock. And we had heard that a few times before, but again, this was, we were still not putting two and two together of could it be that we actually had, you know, possibly a

a Sasquatch on the land. There were, I don't know, you know, the older people, you know, there were legends in the hollow. It's very, very forested. It's very dense forest in the area we live in. So, you know, there were legends, but there are legends everywhere about, you know, wood boogers out there and things in the woods. And some of them are to keep the kids from running the woods at night.

and some of them are people who really experienced things. So we took it all with a grain of salt when we heard the legends. But then, you know, we started having, you know, more and more activity. And then it kind of quieted down for a while as far as any reference time that I could put to it. You know, there were smells, there were knocks. There were noises, you know, like something coming through the woods. We all always attribute that to, oh, there's a deer, there's a rabbit. it, you know, there's a bird wrestling, all the things that, you know, the normal human mind does

to logic away, something that most people, you know, may not believe even exists. And then things got a little wilder in May. Yeah, what happened in May? Well, in May, we had been experiencing for probably a few months, honestly, probably about six months to a year, the dogs just barking like crazy. You know, we have a kennel up on the hill, and the dogs would just start going absolutely nuts. And again, we were logicking away.

It was deer. It was rabbits. It was something. And then we had a situation where one of the dog kennels, and these are the really good, you know, nice chain-link kennels, was literally shoved in. One side of the kennel was literally shoved in. So we had a lot of discussion. Oh, my gosh, we've got a bear.

But there had been no bear sign in the woods for over a year, year and a half. We did have a sow probably about a year and a half to two years ago. She was treated and actually shot by a local farmer because she was, he had gotten the nuisance permit or whatever to take the bear out because, you know, I guess she was threatening his animals or something. And so, you know, he did use an honest that bear. and we had seen no more bear sign. We hadn't heard chattering.

We hadn't heard fronts. We hadn't, you know, nothing that gave us any indication that was a bear on our property. But this, the chain-link kennel had been shoved in, like something very large had pushed it in. Do you think, can I ask you real quick, Kelly, do you think it was actually trying to get to your dogs? Is that the impression we were looking at the damage on the kennel? In all honesty, I don't know, because the other, experiences that we've had with this creature haven't seemed threatening. So, you know, if the dogs were barking and it was feeling a little threatened,

then it could have been, or it could have been, you know, doing one of those, you know, childish temper tantrums of, you know, slamming into the fence and going, you guys need to shut up and telling the dogs to be quiet. Yeah, it's interesting, seeing the damage, though. But I didn't mean to cut you off. So, no, no, no, it's okay. You ask the question anytime you want to. So, again, you know, I mean, and the other thing, too, that was interesting was it seemed like it was almost the same time every night that the dogs would kick in.

It was usually 1030 to 1130 every night. So there was a consistency to the pattern, which we thought was unusual. You know, again, still logic did it to, oh, it must just be deer. coming through the area, you know, moving from one field to another to feed or whatever, trying to take the skeptical approach and not just immediately jump to, ooh, we've got a woodbigger. And we're very logical and skeptical people. We have been paranormal investigators for years, and we do take a very scientific approach to, you know,

investigation and even evidence that we receive there we typically, you know, throw out. because, you know, if we're not convinced with what we're getting, we're not going to make something up and try to convince somebody else that, you know, we've gotten a picture of this or an EVP of that or whatever. So we do the same thing with, you know, whatever's going on on the property. And so what happens next? Is this where you actually saw the creature or was there something else that happened prior to that? Yeah, this is actually where, you know, it was the first part of May,

and I was burning brush outside. there is a dust of dawn light at our neighbor's house right across from us. And so, you know, I've got the brush pile. You know, I'm not afraid to be outside. I'm honestly not afraid of much of anything, except spiders. Spiders scare me. But so the dogs started barking, you know, and this was, you know, around 8, 8.30 at night, and it wasn't usual or normal for the dogs to bark at that particular time.

But they were barking. And then I heard something. and, you know, my brain immediately goes, oh, you know, they, you know, they scared a deer and, you know, I'm going to see a deer. And then I see somebody, somebody come out from behind the neighbor's house. And it was like there was, there was a bit of a pause. And then they came like toward the end of the house, you know, toward the front of the house and there was a bit of a pause. And then literally just in maybe two steps, three steps across the yard, I saw them cross the road. And then I heard a huge splash into the creek.

You know, I'm not a hunter, but, you know, I'm an outdoorsy kind of person. So I know what a bear looks like. And I know what, you know, other animals in the forest look like. You know, I've seen coyotes in the wild. I know a coyote wouldn't, you know, be walking across the yard. But, you know, I've seen cougars, different things of that nature. And we had also, I forgot to mention this. We had also been hearing, you know, some strange, you know, the knocking sounds.

And then there were some strange grunts. There were, there was one night, and I'm sorry I'm backtracking, but there was one night there was an owl that was hooting. And then there was a repeating noise. You know how owls will hoot back and forth across a ridge or something at each other? Yeah. But the repeating noise sounded more like a human trying to mimic an owl instead of another owl. And that was an interesting thing, too, because it was almost, it had a guttural sound to it as well.

So it was a lot deeper. So, you know, you have the owl going who, who, who, who, who, who, you know, almost like a bass version of an owl, which that sounded really stupid. So you might want to cut that out. Very interesting. No, I think it's very interesting, you know. And they do that. I've heard that before in Texas. And I argued with the guys for the first five minutes.

And I was like, it's an owl. You guys are delusional. It's an owl. And then it, Olson wasn't an owl. If that was an owl, that was a very big owl, bigger than me. Yeah, a 600-pound owl. Yeah, that's what it sounded like.

That's what it sounded like. And going back to what you saw come out from behind the home, did it run like a man? And was there any details that you remember? Or was it on all fours? No, it was bipedal. It, and again, you know, it seemed like when it came from behind the house to the front of the house,

It was almost, you know, sneaking and creeping. You know, the logic brain side of me immediately went, oh, my gosh, we've got a prowler. You know, there's somebody coming through the woods. You know, they're around the house. And at the same time, I'm watching going, okay, is this one of those times when I need to go, you know, call the cops, get a gun? What do I do? And, you know, there's just a few seconds of trying to figure out, okay, what's my next move? And then it stepped into the light.

And that was something I thought was a little unusual. well, I've always heard, you know, that they kind of shy away from lights. But, again, it took maybe two or three steps to get across this yard, down this little embankment across the road and into the creek. The whole sighting was probably 30 seconds, if that, and I might be over-exaggerating how long that it took, you know, the whole, you know, experience took. I don't know. And I've actually heard this, you know, with folks talking, you know, to you and some of the other

internet hosts that it seems like Tom kind of stand still for that little bit and it seems much longer than it is. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I would estimate at a maximum 30 seconds because it literally was like sneak, sneak, sneak, step, step, step into the creek. So it was kind of wild, but it was definitely upright. It moved like a very, very, very fast man.

You know, it definitely didn't lumber like a bear. it didn't move like anything else. And it was too fast for a human. So at that point, I'm going, oh, my gosh. And then, you know, everything started to kind of register. And I was like, that was a same scratch. And that was the moment when I was like, okay, I need a gun. Okay, if I get a gun, am I going to offend it?

If it's going to self-threatened? If it comes back, you know, what's the right thing to do here? So, you know, I'm embracing all of those thoughts through my brain. But at the same time, I wasn't scared. It was more I was in shock of what I was seeing. Yeah, and I don't blame me for being in shock and trying to come up with the game plan, you know, as far as what do we do here? That's fascinating. Did you tell your husband that you saw this thing or did he see it?

He came out about that time and I was like, you might want to get a gun. And he's like, why? And I said, just get a gun. So he goes back and he grabs, you know, a honey rifle and he comes back out. And so then I explained to him, you know, what I had seen. And he immediately believed me. And he was, then he, you know, reminded me of a story he had told me years ago when we first met that when he was a teenager, he ran those woods all the time. And he was out one time just exploring and taving and, you know, things like that.

And he was standing in this area. I can't remember exactly what area he was standing in. And he literally was watching a hairy creature squatting on a rock overlooking a creek right at the, you know, the convergence of two deer trails. And he said, and it lasted maybe 30 seconds and it never paid any attention to him. But he actually had a fighting as a teenager on that property. That's interesting. That's very interesting. He kind of probably already had an idea of what was going on around that property.

Did he ever describe to you what he saw? Did he say it looked more like a man? Did it look more like an ape? Did he ever go into any details with you? Basically, the way he described it to me was that, you know, it was definitely not a bear. You know, he had seen bear in the wild before, and it definitely was not a bear. And it just looked like a very hairy man, squatted down. You know, like how you kind of squat down and you kind of put your elbows on your knees

and, you know, like a catcher would sit in a baseball game. Yeah. That it was just there and it was just watching and it was looking, you know, up the deer trail and down the deer trail. And, you know, like it was waiting on, you know, a deer to come by. And then, you know, he was distracted by something. He looked away and when he looked back, it was gone. Yeah, that's fascinating. Has there been anything else that happened around that property beyond that sighting?

Well, it was probably about, um, you know, a week later that, you know, my husband went out to actually get something out of our vehicle. And, you know, it's very dark on our side of the property. You know, the neighbors have a dust of dawn light, but it's very dark on our side. So, you know, he took his flashlight out. And, you know, he always kind of shines down through there first to make sure that there's not, you know, other critters that normally live on the land. You know, coyotes or we also have some wild dogs that live out there. You know, so he always, you know, checks his surroundings.

And so he shine the flashlight down, you know, toward the driveway. And there was something standing there. He said it was at least seven to eight feet tall. And he could see a silhouette and eye shine. And at that point, you know, he was like, you know, had a holy cow moment. And he said, you know, and then it was just gone. And he didn't hear any noise or anything like that. It was just there and it was gone.

and he is not he's not one of those people that let's his mind's matrix learning even though he also understands that yes you know the mind sometimes will see something and try to matrix it into what you expect to see but you know he's he's not a

jump to conclusion kind of guy that you know with everything you know with the the grunts and the weird little kind of owl hoots and the weird knocking that is unusual for the land you know it's been more and just, you know, when the weather gets cold and the trees kind of crack and bend, it's

been much more than that. It's been very, it seems very specific and very deliberate knocking as what we're hearing. Yeah, I found that fascinating when you and I were talking the other day. He said that, like, when you guys pull up, there's one wood knock. You guys always hear it when you guys pull up to the home. And I find that fascinating. It's almost as if, you know, if, and again, I do believe that it's a Sasquatch, but it's like if he's close to the house, and he doesn't seem to have any fear of coming close to the house. But he just kind of gives a quick little, you know, hey, I'm here, would knock. So that if we smell him, and I don't know if he's trying to, you know, posture or if he's trying to say, you know,

hey, guys, I'm in the neighborhood, just wanted to say hi. I don't know. I don't know how they think, you know, if it would be like any other animal, you know, if it was a bear or 20 yards from my house, I would expect to hear it chomping. if it felt threatened or if it wanted to let me know, hey, get out of my space. You know, so I don't know what the intention is, but we still don't feel threatened. Yeah, you know, I don't think, I read through your encounters, and I don't think that it doesn't appear to be aggressive. It almost looks more curious.

And I know sometimes when people have these things on their property, they'll confuse curious with aggressive. And after reading everything that happened on your property, I really think it's just curious. Why do you think it showed up? I mean, why do you think that it's there now? Or do you think it's always been there? You guys are just noticing it now. Well, I don't know if it's the same one that my husband saw when he was a teenager. You know, that was, oh, God, you know, 25 years ago.

Again, it's a very heavily forested area. And there's a very large patch of woods that covers, you know, probably five or six hundred acres up the road from the house. and we've often wondered, you know, was this a juvenile that got kicked out of East Klan? Because, again, I think that that's another thing, too, and I think that people make a huge mistake with Bigfoot. I think that the younger ones are much more curious and much less afraid of coming close and making themselves known. And the older ones, just like with any animal, you know, they have more experience. They're wiser. and I think the older males are possibly even more mature and more full of testosterone,

which may make them more aggressive, you know, no different than if it was a female defending or protecting children. But I think the younger males are curious and they're trying to see what their boundaries are, just like any teenager would do. Yeah, and you really see that in, I mean, any animal kingdom, you know, beyond primates, I guess we're primates too, but really in any, any species of animal, you'll see the younger ones seem to be a little more brazen. They seem to be a little bit more curious about things.

Even a little kid. You see a little kids. You're like, don't talk to that stranger. What's wrong with you? But kids are curious. You could be onto something with that. But I didn't mean to cut you off. Oh, no, that's okay.

And it's just my, it's, you know, just my theory on it. There are a couple other things I didn't mention. We have heard muffled conversation where it sounded like there were people like right behind the house, you know, actually talking to each other. You know, and of course, you know, we always check that out because, you know, if it's a poacher on the land or even, you know, just the tune hunters or something that are crossing our property and didn't bother to say, hey, you know, we're crossing the property. Or, you know, somebody, you know, that is a little more dangerous and threatening to us, you know,

trying to figure out how they can break in. We always check out, you know, things that seem more human. And so the muffled conversations have happened, you know, two or three times. But we've never found anything, you know, around the house. There's no footprints. There's no, you know, no sign that anybody's been walking around, you know, the immediate house area. I was trying to think there was something else. Oh, the motion sensor lights up until probably the, well, honestly, after my husband had the experience with the alshine in the driveway.

before that, every night the motion sensor lights were kicking on outside. I mean, pretty much every single night. And then after the Aishon incident in the driveway, we haven't had the motion sensor lights kick on at all. And the dog stopped barking. Yeah, I wonder if they

left. I wonder if they left the area. I don't know. Maybe the Sasquatch had a holy cow moment. You know, somebody saw me. I don't know. Yeah, I hear you. What do you think that Sasquatch is, Kelly? What's your opinion? Well, my opinion is that it is, you know, an animal. I know that, you know, in some of the DNA

research, they have found, you know, some traces of human DNA, so it could be a long-lost ancestor or a long-washed cousin. I can't rule out that there's, you know, human DNA there versus other DNA that we haven't, you know, completely officially matched yet. I will use that term. You know, even like the You know, the mountain gorillas, you know, they can stand up to six feet tall and can be up to 500 pounds. And so we already have examples of a great ape that, you know, comes close to at least the juvenile size of our Sasquatch. You know, they've also been reported to throw rocks that people they fill are threatening them. So there's so many similarities to the great apes and the silverbacks that we can't rule out. that it has to be some sort of hominid, you know, eight species.

There's just too many similarities to say that that's not what it is. I've know, you know, I've read the reports and heard the stories where people think, you know, that it's, you know, like an alien species and that there's portals and dimensional portals and things. But anytime somebody says the word alien, I just go crawl under the bed anyway. It scares the crap out of me. So I don't want to think that they're aliens. I want to think that they're animals. And saying that, we have to turn.

them as such in the sense that, you know, I would never go out and hunt for an animal in that regard, like, you know, out of curiosity. If I did hunt, you know, and I wanted to go out and shoot a deer because I was going to consume the deer, that would be one thing, but I wouldn't go hunting a bear just to pick a fight with a bear. I'm not a scientist. I'm not a researcher in that regard. And I know that there are some really great researchers out there that really know what they're doing.

that for the average person, I think that they're just asking for a world of trouble. But that's just my opinion, and you can throw that out if you need to. No, I'm not going to throw it out. I appreciate your opinion. And, you know, I understand what you're saying. I mean, a lot of their behavior is very much like a known primate. They throw rocks. They bluff charge you.

They, you know, if I said something throws rocks, it bluff charges you, it growls, it hoots and howlers. What do you think I'm talking about? Most people would say an ape. You know what I mean? Right off the bat, you would say, that's an ape. But to me, I think there's a little bit more to them than that. But I understand what you're saying that.

I mean, and I hope you're right, to be honest with you. I would sleep better knowing it's nothing more than just a wild animal, just a wild animal out there running around. Do you know what I mean? Well, and, you know, saying what my theory is on it, you know, does not diminish anybody else's theory. And there are people out there that are much more knowledgeable than I am and have much more experience than, you know, my few interesting pieces of experience here, you know, and there may be a lot more to, it's just an animal. You know, I think that anything that walks bipedally, you know, including us, we're all animals. But at the same time, there might be something more to it.

You know, it's hard to say. Hopefully one day we'll get the answers, you know what I mean? It's hard to say. That's why I love asking the question, because there's no wrong answer. You can't answer that question wrong, really. Some people may. not like your answer, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's a wrong answer because no one really knows. You know what I mean? Well, I think that, you know, when we all put our opinions on the table, a lot of times it gives us an opportunity to come up with a working theory that can lead us to the answers. And so we have to accept everyone's opinion on it, whether we agree with it or not, because that's how we find the truth of any situation. You know, it's kind of like when we're,

you know, looking for the bonobos. You know, people, believed they were there and then we found them and it took you know many different minds and many different people pushing their theories to be able to actually you know discover you know the species and it's fascinating you know we're discovering new species every day um you know in the amazon and in Asia and probably even in the United States I just haven't dug into the the research on everything that goes on in the United States you know something more than just insects yeah there there's definitely you know I'm There's new species found every day, and you're right, it takes a lot of people to come together.

And I think that this thing could be solid if a lot of people could come together, but that doesn't seem to happen. But keep me up to date. Let me know if anything else happens on that property, will you? I definitely will. And, you know, if the footprint we were talking about earlier, some friends actually made a plaster cast. And if it turns out good, then I'll send you some pictures of that as well. Yeah, please do. really curious to see how that turns out. It was interesting. And for the audience, I will post a

picture of the footprint below. It's actually a huge, huge footprint. But Kelly, I appreciate coming on. Thank you so much for your time. Well, thank you so much for talking to me. You've been absolutely a joy to talk to, and you do such good work. And I really appreciate the fact that you're there for people because, you know, my experience has been reasonably pleasant. And, you know, I'm not dealing with an aggressive Sasquatch, you know, to date. But I know a lot of people are very traumatized by their experiences and having somebody who understands who's been there, who understands, you know, their fear, their post-traumatic stress. I applaud you and what you do.

And you keep, you know, you keep up the good work that you're doing because, you know, people like you are very much needed. Thanks, love. Thanks for the kind words. And I hope everyone is enjoying their Memorial Day weekend. I thought I'd do a little bit longer show for everyone. make up to the members for Bingo, even though I loved them. You guys will definitely hear more about Bingo. He'll definitely be on the show.

Sorry, I can't help myself. But I thought, you know, I really hope everyone out there is enjoying their Memorial Day weekend. A lot of things coming up in the show. I got Jeff coming up next. He's from Oregon. He actually shot one of these things in the back three times. And the whole night turned into a nightmare. They surrounded his camp.

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I want to welcome Timothy Renner from the podcast Strange Familiers. Tim, thanks for coming on, man. Appreciate being here on Memorial Day weekend. Oh, you know, I love Susquech Chronicles, so it's always great for me to be here. No, I love having you, man. I'm stoked that you're here. And I know you have an historical encounter you want to share with us from Arkansas. I'll let you take it away.

Sure thing. Yeah. So this is from the Dallas Herald, Dallas, Texas, from April 5, 1856. It's The Wild Man Again, a correspondent of the Caddo Gazette, writing under the date to the 28th, Altimo, which means the previous months, though it would have been the 28th of March, from Paraclifton, Arkansas, on Upper Red River, states that cold during the present winter has been, in that region, the severest within memory of man. The rivers were frozen solid, and the plains presented an unbroken sheet of snow. The writer relates the following story of an attempt to capture the most famous wild man who has been so often encountered on the borders of Arkansas and northern Louisiana. In my travels, I met a party from your country in pursuit of a wild man.

They had struck his trail at a cane break bordering on Brant Lake and the Sunflower Prairie. I learned from one of the party that the dogs had ran him to an arm of the lake which was frozen, but not sufficiently strong to bear his weight, which consequently gave way. He had, however, crossed and the dogs were at fault. One of the party mounted on a fleet horse coming up encouraged the dogs to pursue, but found it impossible to cross with his horse, and concluded to follow the lake around until he could ascertain the direction taken by this monster of the forest. On reaching the opposite side of the bend, he was surprised to see something in the lake,

like a man, breaking the ice with its arms, and hastened under the cover of undergrowth, to the spot where he expected him to come out. He concealed himself near the place, when he had full view of him until he reached the shore, where he came out and shook himself. He represents himself as a stout athletic man, about six feet four inches high. He was well-muscled and ran up the bank with the fleetness of a deer. He says he could have killed him with his gun,

but the object of the party being to take him alive and hearing the horns of his comrades and the howling of dogs on the opposite bank of the lake, he concluded to ride up and head him so as to bring him at bay and then secure their prize. So soon, however, as the wild man saw the horse and rider, he rushed frantically towards them, and in an instant dragged the hunter to the ground

and tore him in the most dreadful manner scratching out one of his eyes and injuring the other so much that his comrades despair of the recovery of his sight and biting large pieces out of his shoulders and various parts of his body. The monster then tore off the saddle and bridle from the horse and destroyed them

and holding the horse by the main broke a short piece of sapling and mounted the animal starting at full speed across the plains in the direction of the mountains, guiding the horse with his club. The person left with a wounded man informed me that the party was still in pursuit, having been joined by a band of friendly Indians, and thought that if they could find a place in the mountains not covered with snow, where a cane break in the vicinity to feed their

horses, they might overtake him in a day or two. That's crazy from this old report. It sounds like, so it got on the horse, really, took off with sticking its hand riding the horse. These old reports, it's interesting because, you know, these wild men, in some of these old reports, they do weird stuff, you know. Sometimes they're seen, you know, they'll describe these seven. foot tall guys covered in hair and they'll say he's carrying a rusty musket. You know, you go like,

well, what's that about? You know, I mean, did it, did it pick up a musket? Is it just using it as a club? What is this about? So every now and then, you get these weird reports of, you know, they'll do something like that. So, you know, if we're to believe the report, it seems like it got on the horse. But, yeah, it's pretty wild. The attack is pretty horrifying, too. It's scratched out the guy's eye. It is bizarre. What do you want? What do you make of that report? What do you think set the creature off? Being cornered probably.

You know, it seems like the guy kind of headed him off. And there were dogs behind him and he was in front of him. And I don't think you want to, I don't think you want to corner something like this. It's really bizarre. The whole story is bizarre. Especially getting up on the horse with the stick in his hand. It reminds me of, what's that movie? gosh, I'm going to go nuts now if I don't mention it.

You know where the Gosh, dang it. The monkey was in the laboratory. God, it's a recent movie, too. Oh, the Planet of the Apes. Reminds me a Planet of the Apes when they're on the horses and they're riding through. It's bizarre, man.

It's really bizarre. Yeah, it's odd. I mean, that, you know, but I think it's, you know, I think it's a creature because they talk about, I don't think a human's going to tear a saddle in half or, you know, take bites out of a guy, you know, in a fight. You know, I think if it was a human, the fight would have gone a different way. Yeah, and they would have said, you would think they would have said it was a human.

You know what I mean? As opposed to some wild man the way they're describing it. Right. Yeah, some of these wild man reports, you know, they're definitely people. Some of them you can tell it's like a mountain man or something. There's something that'll give it away. It's, you know, they'll either talk to them or something, you know, it's obvious that it's a person, but a lot of them like this, like, you know, no person's doing that kind of attack, I don't think. Now, you know, jumping on the horses, that's a bizarre detail. It's really bizarre, but, you know, the rest of it certainly sounds like a big foot attack.

Yeah, it does. And you would think guys in 1850, they're probably armed to the teeth. And so they're going to pull out their weapons, start shooting or whatever. But yeah, it's a bizarre account, man. It's a really big. bizarre account. Yeah, yeah, there's, there's, and, you know, I got some more coming up, you know, if we're going to do this, you know, on the regular. There's, there's some that definitely sound like, you know, modern day creature reports and others that are a little bit more, more bizarre. Yeah, I hope we do more, Tim. I definitely enjoy the historical accounts. I love having you on for the audience out there. Check out Timothy Renner. The podcast is called Strange Familiar, you can pick it up on iTunes. Whatever your podcast player is, just look up. strange familiars. And if you go to Amazon, you can definitely check out Tim's book. He's got

Bigfoot in Pennsylvania, Bigfoot the Seventh Gate, Bigfoot West Coast Wildman, which is one of my favorite books. Don't look behind you. He has a ton of books on there, and they're very well written. And if any of your listeners come across any of these old newspaper reports, they can email them to me and, you know, maybe we can talk about them. What's your email address, Tim? Strange Familiar's Podcast at gmail.com. Well, Tim, I appreciate you coming on, ma'am. Always of joy, Wes. Thank you. Well, as we continue on the Memorial Day weekend, I want to welcome Jeff to the show.

Jeff, thanks for coming on. No problem, Wes. Yeah, I appreciate you being here, and I know your encounter took place in Oregon. If you would, would you just kind of start from the beginning? Kind of tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened. The day before, I was sitting up there for a place, which it looked like the pupils were almost as big. Yeah. Yeah.

But his eyes to his left. That's when I, I, for flight, it's going like that, slow motion. Like, when you see, like, a big hit him, and he fell down to one knee. What do you shoot that? Because we had a little, well, I've been run over so many times by cars on motorcycles that I, for Magnum Lever Action Rifle. And this is the type of guy that never just, he'll go, and what do you shoot now? He said, rifle, and I had a 9-millimeter on my side.

And I'm like, where is it? You know, I'm 6'3, and I, if I, if I, you know, I'm. put my arms around it, they wouldn't even come to the sides of it. And so I went down there and I was trying to work my way around the sea and they kept moving too. So I was kind of trying to shoot around the tree at it. And anyway, I kind of stopped that for a minute and I was telling him, don't shoot because I don't want to get shot in the back. And it took off and it went up and it took off up over, over the top of the crest from where we were. And then I don't know where it went from there. And so

I had a bunch of cases of guns. And Jeff, can I ask you a quick? So this is now nighttime. He took off, and how much time passed before they returned? That's what I was going to say. I got the generator fire. Probably about between 20 minutes and a half. I've never been so sick for my life.

Yeah, and it's amazing that it went on all night. So you just basically fired off every round you had from just about every gun you had, it sounds like. Yeah, I had a That's interesting. I never saw red. Yeah, it is. And they do have a vengeance streak.

You and I were talking about A. Panyan and kind of a similar situation where one of the guys shot one. And then that night they all kind of came in and it was an attack on the cabin. Do you think if they could have got a hold of you, they would have killed you? Yeah, I understand what you mean. A very long muscle. Yeah. I would estimate. Still pretty huge, ma'am.

Still pretty huge. You know, and I always say put a gun in a man's hand who's terrified. And you're going to get shot. Do you think it was just fear that kicked in? Do you think that's why you started shooting? Pardon me? Do you think it was fear that kicked in? Do you think that's why you started...

Absolutely. I don't blame me. Anything like that in my life. Yeah, I don't blame me for shooting. I probably would have shot, too. And, you know, that is fear when you don't realize you've unclipped a five-round mag and plugged in a 30-round mag. I have no recollection of doing that.

Yeah, that's definitely fear kicking in. Have you ever been back or has there been anything else strange that happened? I didn't even go. I wouldn't go in the woods. I'd still go riding on my 18th. But I never went camping or anywhere and I didn't go up him all the way here for. That made a belief I tried to get his photographs from his wife. And I think she...

Yeah, I mean, it's a terrifying account. And again, I don't blame me for really shooting. So your opinion of these things is it's an animal. There was really nothing more. It's fascinating how you talk about the eyes. kind of like lemur's eyes. Is that kind of how you would describe them? Oh, I gotcha.

I gotcha. Then I could see white. But in your opinion, you would say that it's a wild animal? But they got them going down the hill and stuff, rolling down into our camp. Six inches around and three or four feet long, but those were hitting a camo net and stuff. Yeah, thank God you were armed to the teeth. I think that really held them at bay, made them think twice about coming in too close. You know what I mean?

Well, yeah. Yeah, no doubt that. I felt really bad. I felt really guilty about it. You know what? Yeah, and again, I don't blame me for shooting it. I mean, you know, like I said, put a gun in a man's hands who's terrified. Someone's going to get shot.

And, you know, I mean, I totally understand why you would shoot. It is fascinating, though, that you hit it three times in the back. It dropped to its knee, got back up, and kept going. And that's kind of a warning, you know, to everyone else out there wanting to pull the trigger. Yeah, no, it's a big round. Yeah. Can I ask you why do you think that, do you think it's just the size and the girth of hitting it? You know, 3030 is a pretty big round to hit someone with it.

I mean, it'll take just about anything down, really. And what was your impression? Do you think it was just his size and it didn't affect him as much? Or why do you think he was able to get back up and keep going? I gotcha. I got you. It is interesting, though, how they go back, even though, you know, I kind of tend to agree with you. I think they're more animalistic, but it does seem odd they would go back and get buddies and come back to teach you a lesson that night.

That almost feels more like human-like behavior, wouldn't you say? Well, yeah, but I think that the... Oh, I got to. You don't think he actually went back? You think they were around you guys while you were there at the king? Yeah, I think they were watching us the whole time. And I have no idea why that one was... Yeah. I figured lots were side-by-side.

I started getting into this. Yeah, I don't blame you. I don't blame you. like to go up there and look at that area again. If you get a whole bunch of roads out, this fire it after the business, it looks like it had been fixed and then just overgrown from not being used. Yeah, I hear you. It's a, it's a, and you have to let me know if you go back if anything happens.

And I would definitely be careful going back. But, you know, it's a cautionary tale too. You know, I know a lot of, I always tell people don't shoot these things on your property. Off your property is a different story. But it's still a cautionary tale because it didn't quite go down. and, you know, your life was in danger the night before. And you hear a lot of historical accounts like that, you know, where guys don't leave or they start shooting. And these things have a revenge streak to them where they will come in.

You know what I mean? Well, they say that like... Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. I've watched things on chimpanzees where a guy was tricking them and chimpanzee didn't care too much for that guy. And you can tell it held their grudge against that one guy. And it was only that one zookeeper held a grudge against. So you're right, I mean.

Yeah, it doesn't shock me. Doesn't shock me one day. It's a researcher for you. You know what? Whatever. And, you know, I just. No, I appreciate it. Yeah, I appreciate you coming on the show.

I think it's a fascinating account. And, you know, I mean, that's how you get, you know, sometimes Bigfoot researchers, that's the way they act. But I find it fascinating. I think it's a very cautionary tale. said before, it's, you know, think twice before you, you, if you can, in the moment, you know, maybe not shoot unless you absolutely have to. But in the same breath, I mean, I've, you know, I think most people could understand being so terrified. You just start shooting. And I panicked.

Yeah, I don't blame you. It's just like, absolutely. Yeah, you're absolutely right. You know, that's what I was telling you the day about all the people that have jokes. It's all fun of games until you run into one. Then also it's not so funny anymore. Yeah, time helps. Yeah, no, I would agree with you. And, you know, I don't think anyone can fault you for shooting. It's a fascinating count.

I'm so glad that you came on and shared it, you know, and took the time to share it. So thank you, Jeff, for coming on the show. I really appreciate being here. Okay, well, I'll get in contact with you. Yeah, absolutely. Some places around. Yeah, absolutely, ma'am. Okay.

I've got your number. All right, brother. you take care of yourself. Okay, you too. Thank you very much for having me on your show. Oh, you're very welcome. Okay, bye-bye. And that's it for tonight, everyone.

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