Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:547 Tree Jumping Creature

Episode Date: June 2, 2019

Tree Jumping Creature Spoke to a witness who has agreed to come on the show. He said "Many years ago I worked on cell towers in remote locations. We were in Pennsylvania and I stepped away from the job site to use the bathroom. There are no bathrooms in these remote locations so we used a 5 gallon bucket and a plastic bag. I heard leaves moving around but could not tell where it was coming from. I finished what I was doing and about 40 feet away this thing jumped from the tree, it didn't fall, it jumped down.It was huge, I mean it was really huge. This is during the day and this thing jumps from the tree and lands. It turned to look at me. This has upset me most of my life. I am not sure what to say, he looked like the ugliest human ever but much bigger and covered in hair. It turned and looked right at me. This thing snarled, growled and showed its teeth. It than turned and walked away. I was in shock. We had been hearing strange noises prior to that like whoops and knocks but we were so busy working we didn't pay attention. After that day I never went back." ------- The Rock Pile Randy Harrington returns to the show to give us an update on a property he has been investigating with Shane Carpenter along with others. They are putting together evidence on what they have found so far. Randy is known for thinking outside of the box. I had him on a few shows where he talked about setting up a fake campsite and watching it from a distance. Randy says "The creatures sit on this ridge line above our camp and throw rocks at us almost every night. So we decided to give them ammunition to throw at us. We investigated the area during the day and found where they were throwing rocks, so we setup rock piles and marked the rocks with a black marker. Each pile we marked the rocks so we could tell exactly where they were and what pile of rocks they were using. The results were interesting to say the least." ------- The Green Lights A listener writes "Wes, I've been listening to the show for about 4 years and I have to say that I am really impressed with the platform you've built and the community you've brought together. I'm currently a desert rat living in Las Vegas, NV and I wanted to share my personal story of encountering orbs. I have never had a Sasquatch encounter but I definitely believe there is something out there especially with some of the accounts that have been passed down through my family. My encounter took place in Marietta, GA. I was 17 at the time and I had taken a late night flight into Atlanta to see my dad for Christmas. I landed around 9:30pm and it took about an hour to drive to my dad's house. My dad lives at the end of a cul-de-sac with about 3 miles of forest behind his house. His home is 2 stories with a basement. The main floor overlooks the forest and sits about 30 ft off of the ground with large bay windows overlooking the back deck and the surrounding forest. Once I settled in my dad went off to bed around 11:30pm. I was set up on the couch in the living room that overlooked the woods. Still on Vegas time(3 hours behind) I was wide awake and was sitting comfortably on the couch reading a book. I looked up from the pages and noticed a faint green glow way off in the trees. I thought at the time it was an insect or a lantern but that thought quickly changed. Over the next 15 minutes the light became more defined and appeared to wobble through the woods. As it got closer I could clearly see 3 distinct orbs all lightly bouncing and wobbling about 10ft off the forest floor. As they got closer I began to feel intense fear and the realization that I could not look away became very distinct. These three orbs floated closer until they got to the backyard gate to which they steadily floated up until they were eye level at the bay windows. They were roughly basketball sized, with a pale green luminescence with a slight haze coming off of them. They were lightly translucent and were frankly very beautiful. I felt mesmerized but gripped with fear. They began bobbing up and down in a random sequence slowly and then more vigorously. At this moment I passed out and have no recollection of anything else that night. I woke up with a significant pain on my left forearm and horrible migraine. I noticed a small metallic object a few centimeters under my skin that was blueish silver in color. About 4 years later I was back in Vegas doing an evening hike at calico basin. I summited one of the small mountains and was admiring the night sky when I caught a faint green light in the darkened sky. I could see the rising constellation of Orion at the time and I observed this green light stay perfectly still for about 5 minutes. I became gripped with fear again and quickly got off the mountain and went home. I removed the metal object in my forearm and it was incredibly difficult to do so. I ended up making a small incision and using forceps had to pull it out as my flesh had grown around it. There were tissue fibers attached to it and it was incredibly difficult to break those fibers to remove it. I have attached a photo of the scar left behind by removing this object. The object itself was blueish silver but with almost a dark grey patina. It was hard and almost felt like steel or iron but typically the body will push those heavy metals out of the skin if they are embedded. I am a skeptic and an atheist. I have no belief in most supernatural things as there is little physical evidence to support most claims. I cannot stress how little I actually believe as valid but this experience I cannot rationalize my experience and science tells us it is not only likely but it is statistically impossible for life to not exist outside of our planet. I am not sure if this was extraterrestrial in origin or perhaps a more rational terrestrial event but either way I am only left with questions and a mind grasping to connect the dots. Thank you for reading and for everything you do Wes!"

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs were showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was a horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better. Sure. What's going on now, sir?

That son of a bitch is about six foot. Now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. We'll be talking to Taz. And Taz was actually out working on these remote cell towers in Pennsylvania. He stepped away from the group. and one of these creatures actually jumped out of a tree. It's a very fascinating account.

We'll also be talking to Randy Harrington, and Randy's actually been working on a property with Shane Carpenter in the Ozarks out there in Missouri, or Missouri, if you're OG. And he'll be sharing all sorts of things that they have going on out there. And it's very interesting what these guys are doing out there to provoke these things to come in. And we'll wrap up with Will. Will is actually from Las Vegas. He had an encounter in Georgia.

He has nothing to do with Bigfoot. He saw these lights approach to home. He blacked out when they got real close. And I really wanted to hear what happened to him. And then we'll also have a surprise guest. It's a trap. Oops, that wrong button. Sorry about that.

If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes. at Sasquotronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquotronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Tass to the show.

Tass, thanks for coming on. Hey, thank you for having, Wes. Yeah. This is awesome. Yeah, no, I appreciate being here, man. And I know your encounter took place in Pennsylvania. Yes. If you would, would you just kind of start from the beginning?

Tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened. What did you see? I was working in Pennsylvania. I live in New Jersey. I was working in Pennsylvania. Working at a cell tower. So you're a phone antenna tower. It was up in the mountains. The company I worked for at the time,

we would go around, you know, went to Kentucky. We're all over doing different cell sites. And this day we were there. It was summertime. We got to the tower about 7 o'clock in the morning. Got the truck unloaded. There was four of us.

And the guys, they all know that I'm deathly afraid of snakes. Like, I'd run like a little girl. You even say the word snake, I'm out of here. And they were constantly teasing me with the snakes. Like, oh, there's a snake right there and I would jump. You know. So I had walked into the,

it's like a hut where they keep all the communication systems all the computers and everything that will power the cell site and when I came out they had some one of the guys had put a fake snake on the step and I screamed they laughed

it's a big fun you know fun and games when it's all in my expense we climbed the tower we're working up in the tower all day you know it's lunchtime we come down we're eating and I had to go to the bathroom. So since we're out in the middle of nowhere,

there's no bathroom. So I go out into the woods. I took a five-gallon bucket and a plastic bag, some toilet paper went out to do my business. And as I'm out in the woods, I don't say I walked too far away, but far enough away, so maybe they would forget that I was out there

so they wouldn't, you know, come out and try to mess with me with a snake or something like I had a fake snake, whatever. Yeah. So I'm doing my business and I hear leaves, you know, sounds, I want to say walking, you know, but you can just hear leaves rustling, you know, the slide and the crackling of, you know, a bunch of kids or whatever walking around the wood you do. That's what sounded like.

So I finished my business, I tie the bag up and now I'm getting ready. These guys want to mess with me with a snake. they're going to get covered in shit. Sorry. It's just, you know, you come at me with a fake snake. I'm coming out with you with a bag of poop. Yeah. I see leaves falling from the bus.

I'm like, what the hell? I look up and all of a sudden this big, big mass of something falls or jumps out of the tree. And when it hit the ground, it just stood straight up. Like, it hit the ground. As if, like, you know, you or I would jump off of something. And when you land and you land on your feet, you sort of bend at the knee to try to, I guess, absorb the impact. And it just stood straight up.

And it started to walk. It took about two steps and it stopped. And it turned. And it felt like as I'm looking at this, it turned in slow motion and looked right at it. me and it just stopped and stared at me and I'm here I am standing with a bag of shit in my hand and looking at this thing like in amazement like what is this what am I looking at is this for real it it just looked at me it made a growling noise um not loud but it made a growling noise And it just turned and kept walking.

And I stood there, like not being able to understand where I was, what I was doing, who I was. It felt like a lifetime standing there. And I walked out of the woods and went back to work. You know, the guys asked me, it took you so long or what was that noise. And I was pale as a ghost. In the middle of summertime, sun, I was tan, extremely tan. And I was white as a ghost. Couldn't, didn't say a word until that night when we got back to the hotel.

The guy that I was rooming with, he said, go ahead. What's wrong? And you seem a little awful. You're all right? I'm like, Bill, I, uh, I think I, I saw Bigfoot. There's no Bigfoot in Pennsylvania. I'm like, oh, I saw something.

Well, maybe it was a bear. No, it wasn't a bear. Why do you know it wasn't a bear? Because I know what a bear looks like. It wasn't a bear. Well, what could have been? It could have been a Bigfoot. Well, what else could have been?

Nothing else. That's the only thing it could have been because that's what I saw. I mean, there's no, oh, well, it could have been a dog or it could have been a bird. Well, you know the difference between a dog and a bird. Well, you should know the difference between a big foot and a bear, especially when you're 40 feet away looking at it. Yeah, and that's really close. And the whole bear comment that people make drives me nuts because even a little kid knows what a bear looks like.

Is that the whole thing? So if you're out in the woods and you see something and you don't want to know what it is, it's got to be a bear? Yeah, it seems to be a lot of people's arguments, especially when they make it to hunters, which makes me laugh even more. Like a hunter is not going to know what a bear is. Right, yeah. Let me ask you, so it's 40 feet away. It comes out of the tree, and I've had a lot of reports of them coming out of the tree. I know a lot of times people will say only the smaller ones are in trees.

That's not really true. I've heard many, many accounts of eight, nine feet tall, huge things coming out of trees. Not necessarily falling out of trees. I think I've only had one report. I take that back. I've had two reports of them falling out of trees. But most of the time when they come out of the trees, it's exactly how you describe it. They don't bend their knee.

They just land, unlike how we would land to absorb the shock. For the audience, can you describe what you saw? I mean, it's 40 feet away. It's daytime. I know you're in shock. But can you describe for the audience what you saw? I saw a creature about over 8 feet tall, at least 8 foot, maybe 8 and a half foot tall. If I had to estimate the weight, oh my Lord, I was 900 pounds.

I mean, this thing was huge. It was big. It was massive. It was just the shoulder width apart was, I mean, I'm 5 foot 9. So this thing, the shoulder with a part had to be five foot. I mean, this thing was amazing. I mean, I've never seen something like this ever. Just, you can see the muscle and the strength, the size of its hands were,

the size of his hands, he could have palmed my body. I mean, I think if he grabbed, I'm about 200, now about 230 pounds, his hand, he could probably grab a hold of my ribs and his fingertips of the part of reach around the other side and this thing was huge. He showed his teeth at me like kind of like a snarl. Like I said, that's when he was growling at me. I did see whites of his eyes. The white was not as prominent as the color part of his eye.

They weren't black eyes or the red eyes or the green eyes It was like a brownish, like a dark brown, like a caramel, dark brown type of eye. But I did see, you know, a little bit of white in there, like towards the edges. Its nose, I saw its nose, I saw, just facial features of, like, of a very ugly human. But there was, the hair was on the face. It was on the cover the whole body. But it did not look like a monkey face. I mean, I guess they have similarities

towards of a monkey, but more human than anything. Like I believe 100% more human than anything. I believe that these things are more human than we give them credit for or more people would be willing to say maybe because of the fact that

they're trying to justify if they ever see one, they want to shoot it. because it's not considered murder. But I believe these things are more human than anything. And what makes you say that, Taz? Was it mainly the features of the face and just the way it looked at you? Or what gives you that impression? The features of its face, yes, the way, from listening to your show, the stories,

and the intelligence this thing has. Now, I know there's, you know, animals have, they're very highly. intelligent in in certain ways you know dogs cats you know any animal they're intelligent in their own way but this thing you know seems to be a little more intelligent than anything that it's way of thinking it has to have a thought process i listen to your show where people say that it knows what a gun is well if you if i took if you were born i kept doing captivity and you knew nothing of what a gun is and now somebody shows you a gun, why would you have the reaction of, don't do that? That's not good or that's dangerous.

I think the way they process things is different and is much more advanced than we give them credit for. Yeah, I would agree with you on that. I mean, most wild animals, that would have been a bear, it would have come out of the tree and either A, ran or it attacked you. Yes. Cougar, same thing. It would have ran or they're not going to step back, look at you, give you the stink eye, and then slowly walk off. Exactly.

Yeah. It looks like it gave me the stink out. You were right. I like that. Yeah. I think of person. When you were looking at the mouth, was, were the teeth white? Were they, can you describe the teeth?

I know it kind of snarled real quick at you. Yeah. Well, it showed its teeth at me as if, like, like, each. maybe you could some people could take it as a grin or like a laugh or like it looked like he was like trying to push a fart out

like like like straining on something and he showed me these teeth they were white yes I mean they weren't bright white I mean obviously he don't go to a dentist who weren't bright white but they were white there was the canines

I did see the canines I heard you say something to say no it's just flat teeth like ours and this one I saw had the little points on the top and the bottom on the K9 teeth I saw

you know sticks and gleeves and stuff in its hair his hair was very matted the smell after listening I do not recall the smell I don't recall a smell of anything

maybe there was, I just don't remember. I mean, this is going back 19 years ago. So. Yeah, I understand. And most witnesses don't. I would say most encounters, people don't mention a smell. Sometimes they do, but I would say more often than not, they don't mention a smell. Why do you think it didn't attack you?

When I, you know, had told people, they say that the reason why it didn't attack me, because it didn't want to get covered in shit for me throwing the bag at it. I tell them I do comedy, I do stand-up comedy, do a comedy radio show. So I do believe that when I'm telling it, sometimes people think it's part of my act.

But I don't know. I think it was, 100% believe there was more of them. Because like I told you before, while before I had walked out into the woods you know 745 we're up in the tower you know I'm over 200 feet in the air and I heard the

the rock clapping the tree knocking the the chatter the the the the the the whoops I heard a couple of whoops going through there but I didn't I didn't you know just really pay attention to because we're working and you know we're doing our own thing

but I think that they were watching us I think once I walked into the woods it was on alert that here's one of them are the other three coming in what's their intentions are they going to kill us what do they want and when they saw the one one being me

I think he jumped out of the tree to retreat and get out of there yeah that actually makes I don't know when we talked earlier, you'd mention that. And that actually makes the most sense to me, you know, because if it attacks you, the rest of them are going to show up. But it was definitely on guard. Growling, one thing that you had mentioned when we talked on the phone earlier, you were talking about the growl how it wasn't really that loud.

But you felt it. And I get that. I completely get that because I experienced something very similar. Like, it felt like the growl. Like, I know they say like sometimes the scream was so loud. it paralyzed me. Well, the scream was not loud, but it paralyzed me.

And two of the guys I was working with heard something. One definitely said, what was that noise? What were you growling at? You know, the other two, one heard the noise, the other one didn't hear a thing.

When it landed, when it jumped out of the tree, it may sound far-fetched, but I kind of felt the ground. Like I felt the impact of, I guess, a little vibration from when it hit the ground. I felt something. Not saying the ground moved, you know, it threw me off my feet. No, but I did feel something.

Now, maybe because once I'm watching this thing fall from the tree, it just seemed like everything stopped and everything was over heightened and slow motion. and it just so maybe that's what it was but I it's like I felt the thud of when it hit the ground if he turned and came at me on his third step he would have had me in his hands that biggest strides at 40 feet doesn't shock me in one bit doesn't really shock me one bit you know I wish I would have saw the other ones I would love I would love I You know, you're careful what you wish for. You're right.

I never wished to see a Bigfoot ever. I saw one. I would like to see another one, but not that close. Just because of, I guess, the shock, you know, of for years, is that what I really saw? Did I really see a Bigfoot? You try to talk myself out of it. Nah, you didn't see that. It had to be a bear.

It had to be a person. It had to be, you know, something. But, I mean, I mean, I don't know. And I think that's common to fill, I think it's honestly common to fill that way, Taz. I mean, I think all of us go through who've seen one. And even people who haven't seen one, I mean, I remember a couple of years ago, you were talking about hearing the whoops. And I played it on the show one time.

And this is a couple of years back at a hunter contact me. And he goes, oh, yeah, I hear that on my property all the time. And I go, really? And as him and I were talking, he was, I just thought it was a bird. And I was like, what bird makes a whoop sound? But after doing the show for a while, I understand where people are coming from because they're trying to make sense of what they're hearing. And you going through that process of like, did I really see that? Was it, could have been a bear, could have been a person?

Did I have a mental breakdown at that moment? And I didn't really see this. And I think that's our way of trying to cope with trying to make sense of it. You know what I mean? Yes. Because Sasquatch makes no sense. No. I mean, you're talking something that is that big, that is that powerful.

And nobody is, well, I shouldn't say nobody, but not the world don't believe in it. Not everybody in this world believes in it. You know, to sit there and say the pinpoint that they, oh, they don't live in Pennsylvania. That's what I got for years. I still get it today. There's no. We're big foot. They don't climb trees.

How's a 900 pound? thing going to climb a tree. How does anything climb a tree? I don't know though. You know, Grizzly bear can climb a tree pretty big, pretty quick. Yeah.

And they're pretty big, you know, I mean. So for people to say, Bigfoot can't climb a tree because they're too big. They're too, they're too heavy. Well,

why? Yeah, it's not going to climb a three-year-old sapling. No. But you have a tree that's been out of the woods. for 50, 60 years I've seen the climate. Yeah, you're absolutely right.

And they're definitely in Pennsylvania. I get lots of reports. I get tons of reports from Pennsylvania. Did you ever go back out with that job or did you quit? After we, that job was a two-day job. The second day was, you know, obviously just going back and they had to orientate the antennas and, you know, do, you know, last minute tuning up. And they left, it was only probably, I didn't go back.

I, after talking with the guy I've roomed with, my friend Bill, I told him and he's, you know, teasing me. The next day, I, you know, figured, because they were like, well, be careful. Bigfoot's going to get you tomorrow. So I kind of said, I don't feel good today. I can't go back out there. I was going to stay back in the hotel. And then when they came back, probably around 2 o'clock in the afternoon, we went and looked at the next job for the next day, which was nowhere near that area.

and we left. I kind of regret it now not going back because maybe I could have showed them or maybe one that one or another one or a couple of them would have been visible and I could have showed somebody else. Hey, look, that's what I saw you, you know, but it just, I wasn't thinking like that.

I was thinking like, trying to like, did I really see that, you know? And if I did, thank Kevin, it didn't, it didn't come at me because I wouldn't be here today. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. It's a terrifying account, especially when you're face-to-face with it like that, because you really are at its mercy. I mean, even if you have a gun in your hand, you're still at its mercy. I mean, when I was talking to you earlier, I had told you, I got turned on your show by a co-worker who never said he had an encounter, but he does believe in it. He's an avid hunter.

And he would never say that he believes in it because he doesn't want to, you know, get tormentor. He's a good friend of mine. I'll give him a shout out to Jonesy. You know, I want to thank him for turning me on to the show. Because he even told me when in confidence he's like, look, maybe you should call and talk to Wes. And he can help you, you know, understand what you saw or tell you is that really? what you saw. You know, maybe after telling him your story, he might say, hey, listen, Tass, you know,

understand what's a frightful account, but no, you did not see a big foot. You saw this or you saw that. And he goes, or maybe he'll tell you, hey, yeah, you did see one and help you to understand a little bit better of what you saw, what actually happened to you. Well, and I appreciate him saying that. And I think you're spot on with your impression of what happened. I think he probably jumped out of the tree, kind of gate, turned around, gave you the, like I said before, the stink eye,

don't follow me and don't, this isn't a time to play games. And he walked off and thank God he did, you know. Yeah. Because I was telling you before, they're never alone. Rarely are they ever alone. We were talking about the shots fired last week that episode. Right. And, I mean, when he talks about shooting one,

I asked him how long before the rest of them came in, 20 or 30 minutes. That tells you right there. There's a bunch of them around. They were probably watching. what was going on. And it was, you know, and so I don't, my point is, I don't think that they're ever alone, or there's another one nearby.

What do you think that Sasquatch is, Tass? What's your opinion? I believe it's more human than animal. I believe it's definitely superior. The paranormal, that gets me when they say, or, you know, from, another planet or another dimension this possibility I mean at this point

you know and I kind of want to say at this early stages of research but it's not early stages of research I mean it's Bigfoot has been talked about for

centuries but I think I mean I want to say it's a cross between a man and a primate, okay, possible. I do think it's maybe more human DNA in it than anything else. Just how did they get the genetics of this thing to be so huge and so powerful?

I mean, imagine putting that type of strength and size into a human. I mean, the NFL would be changed overnight. Yeah, yeah, it would. It really would. NBA would be changed over. I mean, all sporting would be completely changed. The part that's really fascinating for me is when I get reports from the, and I've said this a million times on the show, but when I get reports, generally speaking, not always, but generally speaking, people on the East Coast will say that. They will say it, they think it was more human-looking.

and you get out here in the Pacific Northwest, and it's a complete opposite. People say, no, it reminded them of an ape. Kind of had the facial features of a man, but it was more animal-like. Right. And so it makes me wonder, you know, about different types of these things because of people's descriptions around the country. It really depends on what part of the country you're in, depending on what description you're going to get from people. And so I find that fascinating. I generally agree with you.

I do think somewhere between a human and an animal, it's somewhere in there. You know, I'm not too hard on people when they say, well, I think it's more human-like or closer to us. Because I think people might be right about that. Not that they're human, because they don't look human. It's not like I came out of the tree, turned around and growled at you and then walked off. But having said that, I can understand why people say that, especially with a lot of the features that they have. I hear a lot of, I hear a lot of, I didn't get off, but I hear a lot of, but I hear a lot of, especially in Pennsylvania,

I've heard many times, it reminded them of kind of like a Native American, and I hope that comes across the right way. Right, I got, yes. Native Americans have beautiful features. They have high cheekbones, they have big eyes, and they have very beautiful features. And I hear that on the East Coast,

you know, it had high cheekbones, big eyes, and kind of look kind of human-like. I mean, if you would take, you see shows or whatever or even people in general do the pros and cons list okay so we get the little scale and we get the marbles

and one side of the scale is let's put a marble every time we say a human feature or a human way of acting and then on the other side's an animal and you put the marbles back and forth what side is going to fill up first in my opinion

I'm going to say the human side because you're going to go with its features with its fingers and its toes and its eyes, its face, it's a way of thinking. You know, an animal side you're going to get maybe it's way of living or its way of acting as far as the physicalities towards when it reacts. You know, an animal.

You can reason with a human. If I'm in the woods and I'm a hunt or whatever, I have a gun pointed at you, you can talk to me to reason with me, not to kill you. But an animal, you can't reason with an animal or, you know, not to kill you, not to

charge you, not to attack you. You know, I'm just, that's how I look at it, try to look at anyway, is in a way of, okay, you're saying it's more human, I'm saying it's more human. So, let's do, let's, like,

what part makes it more human to you than more animal? Or what part makes it more animal to you than more human? and I don't disagree with anybody out there when they come across and they say it's 100% they believe it's an animal or they believe it's an alien or they believe it's this because that's your belief. And I am nobody to tell you you shouldn't believe in that or you shouldn't believe it that way. I'll tell you my way of belief and I'm not saying mine's right either. Yeah, I think that's a good way to look at it. I mean, that's a great way, a great illustration.

You know, it's just like your encounter. you know, any other animal on this planet would have either ran or killed you. There would have been no in between. But this thing reacted. I mean, I realize that growl isn't human. The growl is very more animalistic, especially the way it hits you and kind of shakes you. But having said that, it kind of turned and looked at you and then strolled off, you know, which is, is that an animal? I don't know.

I mean, it seems odd for an animal to behave that way, you know. I mean, is there any other animal out there that can walk on its two feet like us, bipedal? Yeah, there's a couple, but not for long distances, generally speaking. You know, not really in North America. I mean, I guess we have bears, but I've seen bears up on two legs, and they're clumsy, they're slow, they're, it's not a fluid motion when they're on two legs. I honestly feel with this encounter, I feel blessed to have seen. seen this because there are millions of people out there in the country that they have never seen one and they don't believe or there's people out there who have who don't believe but

they've never seen one and there's people out there who have heard but has never seen and i i guess to say i was a fortunate one to have seen it i i wish i mean there was no self because, you know, this is back in the late night, or, you know, late in 1999, wouldn't have cell cameras on the cell phones. I mean, not that I would have thought of taking a picture. I mean, I'm standing there with, you know, holding a plastic bag full of human feces. And, I mean, I wonder what it would have done if I would have thrown the bag at it

And it would have, you know, my shit all over its head. Probably. Probably would have killed you. Probably. And thank goodness you didn't think. And I think that's one of the things with us being human beings. You'll find a lot of times where when you're in shock, you don't do anything. You just stand there.

And I think it throws these things off. They're like, this guy's not running. This guy's not screaming. This guy, well, he's in shock. And then I think it works as a protective measure for us sometimes. But it's a fascinating account, Taz, and I really appreciate coming on and sharing it. Thank you. Like I had said to you before, and I'll tell anybody out there, you know, if they had an encounter,

maybe they're afraid or embarrassed to come forward, you know, I do recommend sending Wes an email because it helps out a lot to get it out. It helps for you to understand and for you to put you late. your head down on the pillow. I'll be to lay my head on my pillow tonight knowing that I was maybe able to help somebody else. Maybe they saw something or something that they can look for so they can protect themselves when they're out there. I did not have a gun. You know, I said to myself, you know, well, when I first got to turn on to your show, let me listen. Let me hear these in Canada. You know, when I, you had over 500 people call, you know, talk, you never used to

done, I want to listen to them. I want to see, because I'm, I was told they don't live in Pennsylvania. So after I heard a few episodes of Pennsylvania, okay, now I want to know if it does this. I want to know if it does that, you know, and because I didn't want to call you and make an ass out of myself or your show. The show is great. I, I'm hooked on it. I'm nonstop just looking for anything you say, do, where you're at, what you're doing, where you're going. because I think it's fascinating.

And I think you're doing great work out there with people. And you're helping a lot of people. And I hope one day I get to meet you face to face and shake your hands. Thanks, brother. Thanks for the kind of words. Thank you very much, Wes. And next up on the show, I want to welcome Randy Harrington. Randy, how are you?

I'm good. Thanks, Wes. Yeah, I appreciate you coming back on. I know I've had you on Randy the show several times. And for the audience out there, I've had Randy on. to the empty tent where he would set up a fake campsite and observe it from a distance. And you always come up to great ideas, Randy, you know, a lot of great, great ideas. But I know you and Shane Carpenter have been out there working on this property in the Ozarks. Tell us about

this property. Well, yeah, it's a property in southern Missouri, Ozarks. And, you know, there's a lot of stuff going on down there and I was invited by Shane Carpenter to go with him another gentleman, Chris Reinhard as a group to kind of camp on this property

but it wasn't just a camp out it was actually the property was vested by Shane. He'd spent some time there and so he only invited us after he had

spent quite a bit of time there himself, you know, footprints and actually a handprint also, as well as a lot of activity. He, you know, had us come down there and join him, and we brought some, you know, equipment with us. So that's how this all panned out. You know, it's really opened some doors for us, you know, what's going on there. We are in the process of trying to put together a document, documentary about our five-day camp out there that has given us so much. Yeah, and I know the property owner actually requested you guys come out, didn't he? Because he had seen the creature or creatures.

Yes, yes, yes. He was hunting. And while he was in his stand, he saw something step out of a, tree line and walk down the tree line or the wooded area and walked down the tree line and go back in and it spooked him pretty bad so i think he even had somebody accompany him going back to retrieve his tree stand after that so long story short uh you know he contacted Shane and Shane spent some considerable amount of time there you know setting up hike patterns and things like that and developing, you know, a good overview of the area and started to create some patterns

that was getting hits, you know, from our target species. And that's how this all transpired. And what did you think when you first went on the property? I mean, was there anything that stood out to you where you went, yeah, we need to spend some time here? Was there anything that really kind of stood out to you? It really, to me, it felt a lot like some of the areas that I'd been down to in, you know, in southern, east, southeast Oklahoma, you know, even though it's southern Missouri, they're still all tied together, you know, these foothills, same, same type of, you know, growth and thick woods and, you know, just, you know, the type of terrain. So it struck me as being very similar to, you know, the areas that I spent a lot of time in.

southeast Oklahoma. Yeah, I agree. And so you guys show up on the property, and I know we wanted to discuss the rock thing, which I thought was brilliant. And we'll get to that in a minute. But I thought it was brilliant when you told me. I was like, it's one of those Randy Harrington

Paul Graves moments where I'm like, I don't know about that. Then all a sudden, bam, it works. Before you get into that, you guys hang out on the property and what kind of things are happening to make you think, okay, let's spend some time here. actually focus our energies on this on what's going on here well first off don't don't give me any

credit for this i just happen to be an innocent bystander uh Shane and and we filmed it actually we we we filmed it because it was just one of those things that we were trying to document but uh so here's i'll go and lay out what happened uh We get on the property, and if you've watched the teaser to our documentary, you know that there was a couple of instances where we got some thermal videos, and this particular area was nicknamed Crawler Hill. And it was called Crawler Hill by Shane, because prior to us even getting a thermal video up there,

he was doing a hike and was done. getting followed by something that was pacing him and he was catching it with his GoPro camera. It was following him and popping its head up over the crest of this hill, which was an interesting behavior. So it was staying low to the ground, but just popping up to view him as he was walking and filming it with his GoPro camera over the crest of this hill. So this was the same area that we kind of cut and made a trail that we could get the Polaris up into in order to take all of our camping supplies up there one night. And so we set up a tent and we were there and it didn't take long to start getting some activity.

and we were getting kind of excited about it. So we set out our recorders, which is basically my parabolic mic. And so above us, we started getting this activity. And it's what you'd expect, you know, rocks being thrown and just movements and sound and brush popping and things like that. So we were kind of enjoying this. So we kind of retreated back into the tent and let things unfold.

And this is where it gets good. Because what we had happened is typically what a lot of people have happened when you have rocks thrown at you and all the activity that accompanies rocks being thrown. but what's interesting is it was verified by something that Shane did and he ended up marking some rocks and putting them placing them into positions that eventually got thrown back down into the area and verified, which kind of knocked me for a loop. Tell me about that. How did he mark them? I mean, what did he do to mark them,

and how did the creatures get a hold of them? Well, the first night that we were in the tent, and we got pummeled with rocks constantly all night long, you could hear rocks hitting off of the table, off of the chair, all around the campsite. Some even hit the Polaris Ranger. And so what he did was gathered up some rocks. Well, first, he went up and found where these creatures were actually throwing the rocks from that we recorded.

So using his tracking abilities, he went up there and he found the location. that they were launching the rocks from because of what we recorded. And there was just a little crest of a hill above us, maybe 30 yards, 40 yards. And it went back into a thick area of trees. And he found foot tracks back in this area. And when you couple that with the recordings, which these things were coming out, launching their rock. and then retreating.

This is all recorded. We recorded the whole night. And so fortunately, it was verified with not only where he found the foot tracks. And it also was verified by the recordings of the rocks hitting and landing and retreating back over the crest of this hill. And he found the exact spot. that they were doing this from. And so what he did was he marked about 40 or 50 rocks, 30 or 40 rocks, give or take, and marked them with a Sharpie pin and put marks on the rocks, went up there,

placed them in two or three different spots that you can tell where all. all their foot tracks were. And it appeared to be the two juveniles of this family unit that were the ones doing the rock throwing. And, you know, and this goes back to what we had ascertained before when we think about, you know, which type of creature has the time and the energy to be able to spend that much time. to throw rocks all night long is what it seemed like. So which ones really has that kind of time to put into this effort? And so we just estimated logically that it was probably a juvenile activity.

And I'm not saying that adult bigfoot's don't do this. but when it comes to all night long having rocks launched at you, which ones really has the time to do this? And it was apparently at this particular location the two juveniles of a family unit that were doing this because of the size verification of the foot tracks. And that's what I was going to ask if it was just kind of a rough theory or if it was based on. the tracks. That's fascinating. That's smart, man. Mark and Rocks and then have them throw at you, and you can almost kind of tell which pile the rocks are being thrown

from, and where they're being thrown from. You know, where is it actually coming from? Well, Shane is actually editing it probably as we speak, and he's going to put show, you know, put it out on his little channel there, you know,

Ozark Mountain Sasquatch. And And what is amazing to me is he marked these rocks with a black sharpie pin. And he went up there and based on where it looked like all of this was happening was just over the crest of hill above where we set up our tent in our campsite. It was just above us because that's where we were getting, we knew that's where we were getting all the rocks. coming from because they were only hitting on the high side of our tent coming from that particular area. You know, we didn't know exactly. We just knew that it was happening. Rocks were hitting the tent.

It was hitting the chair. Actually, you could hear it skip off the plastic table that I had all my equipment and my laptops sitting on. You could hear a rock glance off that plastic table. And it was also hitting the Plarce Ranger all on the uphill side. So they were strategically positioning and themselves above us. So I don't know if that's just, you know, gives them the advantage, of course. It gives them easy to monitor what's going on. And it gave them a comfort area back in the woods there. And it also allowed them to step out above us and be able to retreat back to a comfort

that they, you know, had to be able to retreat back into. What I like is Shane marked these rocks and we recorded the whole thing and he placed them in two or three areas. And actually, they didn't touch the rocks at all in an area that we thought was the biggest tree that they could hide behind. And they didn't touch those rocks at all. But there were two other piles of seven or eight, ten rocks that were completely gone. and we found them around our campsite, and one specifically that hit the Polaris Ranger and landed by one of the tires had the marks on it. So that was just blew me away because that is just one of their behaviors that everyone has experiences with rocks hitting cabins, rocks hitting vehicles, rocks hitting tents, just rocks being thrown. So here we have them actually throwing the rocks that we planted.

Yeah, it's smart. It's very smart. I wanted to ask you, has there been any more aggression beyond throwing rocks, or has that been the height of it? No. And that's just a matter of perception if you think that's aggression. I have never thought that it was an aggressive thing when they're throwing rocks. Well, it just doesn't. It just doesn't.

If I pick up a rock, if I pick up a rock and throw it at you, you may not think it's too funny. That's kind of the way I look at it. But that's just, but that's because that's our perception of what we would be doing if we were throwing rocks. Yeah, I understand. Like somebody. That doesn't mean the same thing to them, I don't think. Good point. Good point.

Because they could throw a rock as big as my laptop or as big as a cinder block and crush the middle of your tent and make it absolutely clear that they wanted you gone. but they seem to be satisfied with just thinking and dunking little bitty rocks. So think of it this way. Here's a creature that is just as astounded at us as we are of them because there's something that looks like us but yet is covered in hair. To them, we're something that looks just like them, but we're not covered in hair. And they seem to be fascinated with us. Curiosity is their Achilles heel. You can absolutely count on that without fault.

They just, it's a constant. So you have to learn to work with it. And I think we are really learning to work. We give them their space and then you work with what they do. And rock throwing is just one of the things they do. So here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking they're awake at night and they see us retreating to a tent. And they've been enjoying watching you.

They watch you talk. They watch you sit in your chair. They watch you fix a pot of coffee. They watch you just kind of meandering around your campsite and doing what you do and then you retreat into your tent or 10 o'clock or dark 30 or whatever maybe they can't understand why a hominid like them is sleeping at night when they should be up like they are so they're dinking and dunkin rocks all night long so you can get your ass back up you think it's more of a i want to get your attention i'm up here sort of thing as opposed to uh yeah and i i guess i you know i

came off kind of prash but i kind of agree with you in a lot of cases because that's their active That's their active time. And I don't think they can understand that we have a different sleep pattern than they do. They don't understand why aren't you up like we are? Why are you sleeping when we should be up? It doesn't make any sense to them, maybe. Well, and to your point, a lot of times when witnesses describe rock throwing, it seems to be little pebbles. It's not really meant to, it's not like that.

There is occasions where it's beyond pebbles, but I think that is truly aggression. But I would tend to agree with you. I guess I take back what is it. A lot of times, you're right. When they tend to throw rocks, my impression, especially hearing from so many witnesses, that it seems to be more of trying to get someone's attention as opposed to beaming someone with the softball. You know what I mean? So if you use that logic, if you use that logic, let's just say that makes the most sense to

what's going on because it's consistent. And it consistently happens that way. So let's just think that that's probably logically what it means. So here it is outside of the tent or outside of a cabin or outside of whatever, and you're sitting in lawn chairs, and you still hear rocks landing. You still hear a pebble hitting the ground or hitting a tree close by or whatever. So using that same logic, it makes sense that way, too. They're still throwing rocks, even when you're not in the tent. So could it mean something? Think about this.

They work really hard to find their hiding spot. They sometimes crawl for 30 or 40 minutes, belly crawling and finger crawling to get to that spot, to get as close as they possibly can. with their comfort level to see you, but they still having trouble seeing you. So they launch a few rocks. They hardly ever hit you. The ones that might hit somebody on their shoulder or arm or something is probably

accidental from getting deflected by a branch. Most of the time, they're just landing all over the place, you know, randomly. But we often get up and go over and try to find the rock or look around. So it makes sense that they're using that. to get you to do what they want to do.

And that is see you better. So you get up and you just start moving around because rocks are landing and you're trying to find them. And they don't have to give up their hiding spot. They don't have to move because we're the ones moving because of the rocks they're throwing. Well, let me ask you this. And you bring up great points, Randy. And that's why I like having you on the show. You're one of the few researchers I really enjoy talking to.

I hope that came across the right way. But you know what I mean. And, you know, I understand what you're saying. Has there been anything beyond rock throwing that you personally would perceive as aggression, or do you find it to be more curious, like trying to get your attention type of stuff? Well, when I was in Washington up by Mount St. Helens, and I let you hear that bluff charge that I got, and I was sitting in the truck with two other guys at the time, and even the bluff charge, as aggressive as it sounded, I have to think that most things that happen,

may not necessarily, other than the rock throwing, may not necessarily be for our benefit. When it comes to vocalizations or tree knocks, they're clearly talking to another big foot. That's why we try not to interfere with that. But this bluff charge, on the other hand, you have to think that it was directed towards us, but when it ran towards the truck and we actually braced ourselves because I thought it was going to hit the side of a truck, Imagine, you know, the African Savannah, when you see those rhinos hitting the side of a truck as they're trying to drive through a field and the rhino was chasing it. That's what I was imagining. I was imagining this thing was about to plow into the side of my truck and just, and I was bracing for impact.

And he ran right on by the truck and then walked into the woods. And you can hear him walking away, almost dejected like he had just spent his, he had just blessed, he just spent his charge. and that was what he wanted to do. He built himself up. You could hear him pacing like he was having to build up his nerve. And when he took off running, you could hear his feet hitting the ground coming down the road towards the truck. And then he went blue right by it and went into walking to the woods and you could hear him breaking a few branches as he was walking away spent. It's almost like it's weird.

It's not like it was as aggressive as it appeared to be when you start looking at the details and breaking it down and listening to what's. happening before and after, but he just spent himself and we never got any more rocks thrown or anything after that. So there may have been, that may have been a display, a superior display for some ambitious juveniles who may not have been listening to the tree knock that he did before that told him it's time to vacate. In my opinion, I do think there is aggressive situations, situations where people get hurt, But going back to what you were just talking about, I think a lot of what they do is meant to terrify you, is meant to get you to leave. And it's like the bluff charge you're talking about.

I've heard a lot of bluff charges. And hence the term bluff charge because no one actually ever gets hit. You know what I mean? And let me ask you, going back to this property, what is it? What's kind of next on the agenda? And what do you guys hoping to accomplish? Well, why I think placing the rocks and having them throw the specific rocks that we placed in this particular area is so huge. Knowing where they're working from is gargantuan and moving forward with what we're trying to get here because the hardest part is trying to find them.

So here it is, I think they're creatures of habit. I mean, I've caught some pictures on video, on game cameras where one walked over a ridge and I thought to myself, if he walked across that ridge to look down at my campsite once, he would probably use that same trajectory again because it was safe. So that's where I put the game cams and caught two pictures on my game cam. So, so at least as I'm trying to use logic, it's some things pan out, some things don't. So here's, here I'm thinking, we put the tent up there and two nights and. in a row, we got rocks thrown from exactly the same spots. So we're going to go back there this weekend and we're going to, of course, place a bunch of rocks. We're going to mark rocks and place them up in there because I want to make sure they have plenty of rocks to throw. That seems to be

one of their things. If they've policed all the rocks up in that area, then I don't want them to move because they don't have enough rocks to throw. So we're going to place rocks there and give them plenty of ammunition and hope they go exactly to the same spots again. And then we're going to, we're cut some tree branches and we're going to hide my thermal up in a tree hidden in a way that watches that area, but still be far enough away that they don't hear any noises or maybe any electromagnetic coming from the camera or whatever. We're going to have it close enough to our campsite where they think it's part of our campsite, but still up over the crest of the hill, watching where we think they're throwing the rocks from. If we can get an hour or two of them behaving that we can watch,

behaviors, we think that's going to be huge. It is going to be huge, man. No one else has been able to do that, you know, and it's like I said, you know, I know I'm hard on researchers. I get emails all the time about, you know, researchers this, researchers that. But I hear a lot of talk from them, but you never hear about really what they do. And that's one thing I've always appreciated about you and guys like, and I mentioned it before, Paul Graves. And because you guys will break you down what you're doing. And I'll walk away and go, that's brilliant. I mean, who cares I think at the end of the day, but I'll walk away and go, wow, that's brilliant, man. I would have never thought of something like that.

And I hope you guys do capture them. I want to ask you, and you don't have to give away too much on the property, but is there any ideas on where they go during the day or when they're not around? Do you guys have any ideas on where they're actually going? Well, the owner has a very, very small cabin up way up by the road, by the paved road that turns into this 400 acres. And it's surrounded by other properties. and other wildlife management areas and so like that.

And we found like a two-week pattern where at least in the summertime where they'll travel and then come back. So they're not specifically stuck on this property, but it's still a good, that's a good-sized property. But they clearly still are moving around in some kind of big trajectory

to where they go and do whatever and then work their way back. So I can't, you know, I can only tell you what we've seen and the landowner has seen them cross the road more than one where they've crossed in a group. So we think they travel off as a family and then come back as a family where he's seen two or three of them cross the road at the same time. So back onto his property. So I don't know.

I can only tell you what people see and what we see. No, I understand. It's hard to say where they go. The only reason why I said is a lot of times I'll have witnesses on a very similar situation in what you're talking about. and then they'll say, you know, there was a cave actually up on this hill, and I'm pretty sure that's where this thing goes at night, where they'll say there's something. I don't know too much about these animals.

I mean, I've spent a lot of time and money, and I've really enjoyed the process, but I'm learning enough, and the fact that they seem to need about a 50-yard safety zone when they're following and pacing and peeking around trees and things like that, they still keep their distance. So they are very comfortable. They need a certain amount of distance that gives them a comfort level in case they get back in the corner.

They need to retreat. They can't get themselves in a bind. And I don't think sleeping in the cave is in their nature because they can get caught in a cave. So I just don't. I think chasing caves is a waste of time. I think they're out in the open. I think they're constantly out of open. That's why they use so many tree knocks and rock plaques to communicate because they're out in the open doing what they do.

They nap up on the sides of mountains and they nap in ravines. And if anybody gets close, you're going to hear a tree knock. And I think that's designed to wake everybody up and start paying attention because people are getting close. And that happens so often that I think you can rule out caves as being the place that they sleep. I hear you. I hear you. Well, I wish you guys luck on this whole thing. I know you guys have been hard at work at it and I've talked to Shane.

And I know you guys are really trying your best to get what you can get out there. I really hope you guys are successful, to be honest with you. We have an influx. As you know, I think we spoke, Shane spoke to you. We've got a possibility of an influx of equipment without compromising how we do things. We don't ever want anybody else involved over us that's going to donate equipment that says, now you must do things my way because I'm giving you the equipment. So we found a way that somebody may give us some equipment and still let us do things our way.

Because we don't want to jeopardize or change anything because we think we're heading in the right direction. So we feel really fortunate with some doors that are opening up for us. And so we hope to take advantage of that equipment-wise. And we still like to share. You know, we love sharing what we're getting. And I think everybody who's into research will agree that this rock, throwing and marking them was huge. It may not be as huge to somebody that's not into research, but it's huge to me.

And it really has let us take a step forward in what we can do after that. The moment you know where they're at is you've won part of the battle. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I wish you guys luck. I hope you come back and give us updates on what's happening down there, ma'am. Right on, brother. You know, I will. I like talking about it.

Randy Harrington, everyone. Randy, thanks for coming on, brother. All right. Bye, bye, buddy. It's a trap! Bingo, everyone. Bingo, welcome back to the show. How are you, man?

Thanks, Wes. It's an honor to be here, man. I'm just glad and tickled the death anytime you bring me on. No, absolutely. What'd you honestly think of, what'd you honestly think of the interview with Randy and those guys marking rocks?

What's your take on it? Shoot me straight on us. I'm going to tell you, my take is that they're awesome because, you know, There's, from what I gather and everything you say about the Bigfoot researchers, there's a lot of egos involved and things like that. And these guys, they're trying to get to the truth. They're giving people pointers on how to get these things on film or how to record them.

And that's awesome. You know, it's unselfish. And if there's anybody out there that I hope gets them on film, it's people like that. It was awesome the way they set up about having those rocks thrown. and they could see where they're coming from and which piles were used and which piles weren't used. You know, that goes a long way into setting up cameras in the right spot or putting recorders there to get the evidence they need. And, you know, they're talking. Y'all were talking also about, you know, aggressive big foot encounters and, you know, passive big foot encounters.

You know, I think this is my opinion. It's probably due to their interactions with people, you know, if somebody in their pod has been shot at or they've been shot at, or they've been shot at, or there's a bunch of hunting going on in the area. You know, they're going to be on high alert. They're going to be nervous. They're going to be aggressive. You know, these guys go in there with no guns or anything. They're just trying to, you know, research and figure out what these things are.

And I think that probably has a lot to do with that. You know, that's why it's probably a passive encounter because they don't hear any gunshots going off or anything like that. They really are good guys. I give Bigfoot researchers a hard time. And I think it's well deserved, to be honest with you, with most of them. But there are good ones. They're not all bad. And I think Randy and Shane, I can think of a few others like Brenda Harris down in the Southwest, Paul Graves, smart guys, smart guys and girls. And yeah, I mean, and Randy's like that, man. He'll come up with these crazy ideas. And I'm like, I don't know about that, Randy. And then bam, it worked. And he's done that several times. Where were you going to say, Bingo? Yeah. Brenda Harris is a friend of mine on Facebook, so I know who she is. Oh, yeah. Brenda's great. Brenda's great. There's many times I've called Brenda off the air. I've called Paul Graves. I've called Randy. I've talked to Shane a couple times off the air. Good people. There is good people. I wish there was more of them as opposed to what you get in the Bigfoot World. You know what I mean?

You guys heard of her shows. Yeah, a lot of them are like the worst human beings you ever met in your life. off the area, you know what I mean? Yeah. But now, Wes, oh, man, it's just an honor to be on the show. I had a couple of things that I want to say real quick. Sure. Take it away. You know how I said that I believe that there's something more,

they're just not an animal. Well, I want to know the truth, right? I don't care if they are an animal, you know. We just need to figure it out what they are. But there's a couple of things that, you know, on the subject of experimenting, there's a couple of things I'm interested. in like, what's his name, David Politey's 411.

He says that these tracking dogs will stop in their tracks and they'll be afraid of tracking these things or following assent. And you've got all kinds of people come on your show that say they have the bravest dogs in the world. But when these things are around, you know, they'll take off running. So I'm wondering, like, maybe an experiment of getting a tracking dog to see if it'll track a mountain gorilla and see if it'll just shut down like that, you know? or just my mind's just curious i want to know what they are so um yeah you and me both man you me both that's why i was going to ask people what do you think bigfoot is because there's really no wrong answers one one more thing that uh that i thought was pretty neat yeah when i was when we were in tomball at the show i was talking to one of your uh listeners at the table and she

said she said she was in a ranch a 300 acre ranch here in texas and she it was during the blood root the blood moon which it wasn't too long ago and she said said that all the animals in the forest were yipping and yapping and yapping and going crazy with that blood blood move. Then she said, everything in the quiet, everything in the forest went quiet for about two minutes. And then she heard the loudest, most guttural yell she'd ever heard in her life. She said it scared the death out of her. I mean, she was scared. But, you know, what animal in nature has that ability to do that type of stuff, you know? So that's why I'm curious. And that's why I want to know what they are. And I know we all do.

So I just want to throw my two cents in there. No, yeah. And there is a lot of things like that. Bingo with these things. I mean, there's a lot of weird things. I would love for it to be an animal. I absolutely would love for it just to be a normal animal we haven't caught up with. But there's a lot of questions I have that I don't think most people could answer.

That doesn't make me believe there's something else going on. You know what I mean? You and I both, Wes. You and I both. Well, do you have any ideas for the guys up there? I can pass along to Randy and Shane. Let them know Bingo sent this idea over. Oh, no.

You know what? I will think about that, and I'll try and get back and get something to you because I think what they're coming up with is awesome and they're sharing it with the world. You know, I hope they get it on video and I hope because of their tips. Other people get on video because they're like awesome. They're unselfish and those guys deserve, you know, the reward compared to some of these other people. Yeah, super nice guys. I was telling Randy, I hope he solves it so I can go do something else.

But I got Will coming up next. William from, he's in Las Vegas, but he actually saw these lights coming in, and he blacked out when the lights came up to the window. You ever seen the lights down there, bingo, in Texas? You ever seen the balls of light? No, I haven't seen anything like that. I told you about my ghost experiences, but no, balls of light, nothing like that. Nothing like that.

No. But like I said, you know, I'm off for the summer. If anybody down here in Texas is looking for them, you know, give my email and I'd love to go out on one of these things. I look for myself and try these techniques that these guys told us about this past week. Yeah, I will. I will. There's an area down there where you're at where locals go down to watch the balls of light. I forget what the area is called. I'll have to call someone. Oh, really? I'd like to do that too. I'll see if I can't, I'll send you a camera down there to go to. down there if you end up going. I'll call the person though, but it's almost like a nightly.

They even had scientists come out and they couldn't figure out what it was, but it's these weird balls of light that fly around. It's down there in southeast Texas. I'll see if I can't find the area and I'll send it to you. Yeah, that sounds good to me. I'll go down there in a heartbeat and go see what's going on. Well, it was definitely good hearing from your bingo. I guess I guess I'll get back to finishing the show. Yes, sir. I appreciate it. Like I said, I love the show, man. Take care, brother. All right, you too.

Well, next up on the show, I want to welcome. Will, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I was fascinated with your account with the lights. If you would, take us back to that moment. What were you doing? Now this happened in Georgia, correct?

Yeah, that's correct. It's in Marietta, Georgia. It was about eight years ago. I was like 16, 17 at the time. and I had actually just gotten on a plane to fly to Georgia to go see my dad. I'm based in Vegas now, based in Vegas then as well. And I had taken kind of a later night flight. It was like 9.30, 10 o'clock.

And then my dad came and picked me up from the airport, brought me back to his house. By the time we got there, I think it was like 11.30, 11 o'clock, somewhere in there. and this was, I want to say, like, December 27th, we had just flown in just for holiday stuff. My parents are split, so I usually spend Christmas with the mom, and then I spend after Christmas with my dad. So we got to his house, and everybody was pretty tired because it was kind of late. So he kind of just got cleaned up and went to bed, and I just got set up on the couch, and I'll describe their house pretty quick. It's like a three-level house.

We don't have basements in Vegas, so I'm not sure how many stories that is on the East Coast, but his house is kind of built into a hill. His basement is in the hill, and then the first floor that you would enter into is about like 30 feet off the ground if you're looking at it from the back of his house, and then there's a top floor to that.

And on the main floor, there's a deck that kind of looks out into the woods, and he's got like three miles of forest behind his house. It's kind of cool looking. It's real pretty. So I got set up on the couch, which is in the living room, kind of overlooking this a deck that overlooks the woods. I got settled in.

There was about midnight, maybe a little bit later, but it just kind of hit midnight. I was just reading a book, just kind of trying to get tired because I was still three hours ahead, or three hours behind, rather. and I'm looking out the windows because I noticed these like three kind of lights they're just like real faint just kind of out in the woods and I just kind of brushed it off

I thought they were like fireflies or something I mean kind of weird there's usually not fireflies in the middle of December but anyways I just kind of shrugged it off and over the next five, ten minutes these lights start getting closer and I can definitely tell that they're moving.

It wasn't like they were moving quickly. They were floating pretty slowly. It's kind of taking their time, really kind of wobbling. Just from far away, I could tell like maybe they were 10, 15 feet off the forest floor. It was a pretty clear night. And they start getting progressively closer. And I kind of realize that I'm not able to look away from these things. I was just kind of mesmerized and I could not avert my eyes.

And these things start getting really close. I mean, to the point where they're, you know, 10, 15 feet from the backyard gate area. And at that point, I'm like, you know, man, I don't know what these things are, but they're kind of freaked out. And it was very, very afraid. And so I'm almost like gripped with fear. Couldn't move. It couldn't look away. and then these things floated over the backyard gate.

It was kind of at that moment that I knew that this wasn't something normal. You know, it's not bugs or anything like that. And they proceeded to float up to the Bay Window area, literally right outside the window. And it began to bob up and down. And, I mean, they were about like, I'd say like basketball size, almost translucent. They were like a very vibrant green. I mean, they were absolutely beautiful. They were real freaky to look at.

I mean, I've never seen anything like it. The closest thing I could describe it to would be like a firefly almost. Just that type of glow. Kind of just real eerie if you, I mean, I have no idea what it was, but it was just, it was very eerie. These things began to bob up and down slowly, and I have no idea what happened. I woke up the next morning, you know, just with a ton of questions. And, you know, it was... Did you black out right there in front of the window?

Is that where you woke up? No, I had been sitting on the couch, which was, I don't know, maybe five, six feet from the window. I gotcha. And you said there was three of them? Yeah. And then tell me about your arm. Tell me about what's on your wrist. Yeah, I woke up the next day, and I had a horrible mom.

migraine. And I had some actually pretty serious pain in my left forearm. I was looking at it. It wasn't swollen or anything, but kind of up by my thumb, the palm of my hand, small, overlooking metal object, three or four centimeters under my skin. It wasn't raised or anything, but never there before. And, you know, my forearm hurt like hell. And that was, That was concerning because it definitely would not there the night before. Yeah, I'm fascinated by it. What do you think actually happened? I mean, do you think you were abducted?

I mean, it's such a bizarre, and I don't know. With the strange part about this, Will, is I would love to say this is the first time I've heard it. It was telling you about a surgeon who told me a very similar story, minus the thing in his arm, but a very similar story where he blacked out after seeing these lights, and he woke up and he, like six hours had gone by. he didn't know what had gone with the time. What do you think happened? Do you think you were abducted? Or, I mean, have you made sense of this?

I genuinely don't know. I mean, I'm like a very skeptical person. You know, I don't really have any beliefs in anything. You know, I'm an atheist. You know, I just, I don't really believe in supernatural or anything like that. But I genuinely have no idea what this was. based on some other accounts that I've heard and read about, like, you know, other people have had similar experiences and have chalked it up to, you know, UFOs or something like that. But I legitimately don't know.

I sort of leap and say that's definitely what it was. The thing on your arm, did you ever have it taken out or removed? I took it out myself, actually. I actually had not exactly a line-for-line, same type of encounter. but this was a couple of years ago. I was back in Vegas. I'd say this was maybe four or five years after the event. And I was just out for a night hike.

We've got a cool area out here called Calico Basin. It's like right before you get into Red Rock Canyon. I was just out there doing an evening to, you know, night hike. About the same time, actually, it was November, December. And I was just summiting one of the little mountains out there. And, you know, I was just kind of admiring stars because it's like one of the only clear places in Vegas or you can look at the sky. I was looking up

and I saw this little green light just kind of up in the sky. You know, I just thought it was an airplane or something. You know, there's always green lights in the sky, but it wasn't moving. And I looked at this thing for five, ten minutes and it hadn't budged. So I started getting kind of freaked out again.

And, you know, this experience, like really just kind of came back to my mind. And I was like, oh, man, I need to get out of here. booked it down the trail and went home and a couple days later um you know i got some some foreseps and a little uh exacto knife and i cut this little thing on my arm and it was difficult to remove i'm a facility's tech guy and i um i mean i work with metal and you know carpentry and all sorts of things and i've had you know uh iron or steel you know a little bits of steel a little bits of carbon fiber in my skin before and you know they're relatively easy to pull out but this was almost impossible there was a ton of fibers that had grown around this thing and like it would not budge eventually i was able to cut it around it

enough and pull it out and it was it was the weirdest thing i mean it was really hard kind of like steel. But it was like blueish almost have like a like a dark gray like patina around it from when I had you know first seen this thing in my skin. You know, I took it out and I just I tossed it in the trash. I had some pictures of it. But I don't think they made the transfer when I swamped to a new phone. But I mean it was the it was the weirdest thing. It hurt a lot taking it out. I mean, obviously if you're pulling anything out of your skin, it's going to hurt, but this thing hurt way more than usual. Sometimes I talk to people off there who've had alien-type encounters or UFO encounters

or strange lights encounters, and sometimes I'll describe that, and I've seen pictures of it underneath the skin. It's under a real thin layer of the skin. You'd think your body would reject it, but everyone I talk to it doesn't seem to be the case. It seems like your body accepts it, for the most part, except for the pain. and it's not like you're, it's reject. I mean, what happens when you put a splinter into your skin? What's the first thing your body tries to do?

It swells up, tries to get rid of it. And what I find interesting with these things is that's not, doesn't seem to be the case. Yeah, it was bizarre. I mean, I've had splinters and stuff embedded in my skin before. And like, I mean, within the first week, you know, your body will usually push it out if you can't get to it. How big would you say it was? The thing that you pulled out. And you're a madman for pulling it out.

but I don't blame me. I probably would have done the same thing. Yeah, I was, I was freaked out. I would say it was about two centimeters. It was, it looked a lot. Raised it was in my skin. You know, I was baffled that it was just taken so long to take that thing out. Let me ask you, and obviously you and I don't know the answer to this, but I'm curious on your opinion. Do you think it was some sort of tracking device? Because you mentioned you'd seen the lights again when you were hiking Red Rock Canyon. Again, I don't anything possible. No, I know. I was just curious on your opinion. Did you ever tell anyone?

Do you tell your dad what happened or anyone at the house? What actually took place? I have told a couple people, I've told my brother, one of my older brothers, and then my best friend. And my brother, he was real freaked out because, I mean, he goes and stays there too. And then my buddy is a big skeptic and everything, and he was curious. But, I mean, he kind of just chalked it up to one of those things, or he's not sure. I haven't told my dad yet. I mentioned the lights to my stepmother, actually, that lives out there.

And she was real freaked out about it. I mean, she's real into, like, you know, woo-woo stuff. And, you know, she had told me about some, like, hauntings and stuff. Yeah, it is. It's a fascinating account, man. I mean, it's one of those things to wear her. And I don't know what to make of it. I've seen it before.

I remember a lady contact me one time told me about she'd been taken several times. And she's like, I can prove it to you. And I don't know if the photo you sent me was a before or after picture, but it's kind of similar. I mean, similar type of injury, except for she had it behind her ear and one on her stomach. And it looked like, it looked like a tiny little, I guess how you described it, like a very, very, very, small piece of metal underneath her skin. It didn't look like it belonged there. Like something had placed it there. But there was no, her body wasn't rejecting them. She actually still has them in and she's going to find a surgeon to take him out. You know, I'd be more like you.

Most people won't do that, but I'd be just like you. I'd probably cut myself open, yank it out, put a band-aid on it, call it a day. That's really terrifying. Have you ever thought about doing hypnosis or anything like that just to find out what actually happened? Maybe more happened that night than you remember? I've thought about it. This is a kind of a tangent thing, but my stepfather, he's a one that lives in Vegas now, he's retired Air Force. He flew the stealth fighters, the F-117s. He flew those for 10 years. And he's told me like a little bit about what they have to do to like, keep their classified status.

And one of the things that they're not allowed to do is they're not allowed to go under hypnosis. And I've always found that interesting. It doesn't really have anything to do with me. But I've just always thought, like, man, if they're not allowed to do that, you know, why is that? I've just never been super comfortable with the thought of sitting down and, you know, somebody putting me to sleep and, you know, trying to pull, pull answers out of my head. That's a little strange for me. Yeah, I understand that.

I mean, I kind of feel the same way. I'm one of those guys, and maybe it's arrogant of me to say it. I don't know that I could be hypnotized. You know what I mean? I just don't know that I, maybe it's a lack of focus or something, but I don't know that I could be hypnotized. But in your situation, it would be nice to find out what actually happened. Right before you blacked out, were you sick? Or did you have any sort of feeling right before you blacked out when you were looking at these lights?

I was terrified. That's like the only distinct thing completely, I don't know if it was a rational fear, but I mean, it felt like a rational fear at the time because, you know, it was just lights in front of me. But, you know, there was something in me that did not like what was going on. And, you know, I was absolutely terrified. Yeah, I would have been too, ma'am. I would have been too. It's a terrifying account and I really appreciate you sharing it. You know, it's one of those things I think actually goes on more than. than most people talk about. You know, I mean, I run a Bigfoot show, and I've heard it several times off the air. You know, beyond Bigfoot, I've heard some very bizarre encounters off the air. And even the lady that sent me the, you know, the chip underneath her behind her ear and on her stomach. And then the surgeon I was telling you about how he blacked out. He saw these lights and he thought they were people coming out with flashlights.

Quickly realized they weren't. He blacked out and doesn't remember what happened. Makes you wonder what's going on, man. And I've seen the lights. I know the light you're talking about. It was, when you say it's brilliant and it's beautiful to look at, but it's terrifying in the same breath. I get it. I completely get it. And I wasn't as close as you were. I was up on a hill with night vision filming one. And I just could not figure out what in the world I was looking at. You know, the light, one listener took a still shot of the video I took and said, hey, look, there's a face in there.

And it did look like there was a face in the light. Now is that Paradolia? Is that, you know, when you look in the clouds, you can see what you want to see? Maybe. But I had never seen that before until he did the still shot. But, you know, again, it could be Paradolia. It could be anything. But they are terrifying to look at.

They are scary for whatever reason. Yeah, real, real eerie. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I appreciate it, brother. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing it. Awesome. Thanks for taking the time to call me. I appreciate it.

And stay cool in Vegas, man. getting right up to that time of year where everyone hates Vegas till about September. Yeah, absolutely. It's actually been a little bit cooler like 95, so it's going to be hot. Yeah, yeah, it's, well, that's not too bad for Vegas. That's hot, but it's, you know, I've been there when it's 120, man. And I love that Red Rock Canyon. You're absolutely right. That is about that and probably Mount Charleston is probably the only places in Vegas you can go to actually see the sky because there's so much light pollution. but yeah brother thank you again for coming on absolutely thank you and that's it for tonight everyone remember if you've had an encounter shoot me an email my email address is west at saskwatch chronicles com you get a chance to check out saskwatch chronicles dot com you can become a member and get

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