Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:550 The Little Green Man

Episode Date: June 14, 2019

Tonight I will be speaking to Kevin who is originally from Ireland. He shares some Irish folklore, along with an encounter he had with a little green man. What we might first assume in a America to be a little man in a green suit or a leprechaun, Kevin explains that something is lost in translation because what he saw was what most would consider to be a 2-3 foot tall little grayish/green alien. Not only did he see it but his family saw it. Kevin said "In our culture we would leave it gifts to leave us alone. My aunt said it had the head of a porcelain doll because it was so smooth and the face did not move." Kevin goes on to say, "I came to America and joined the Marines. I served this country but my strange experiences did not stop in Ireland I have also seen a Sasquatch."

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show planned for you this evening. We'll be talking to Kevin, who is originally from Ireland, and Kevin has some strange experiences he wants to share with us tonight. And it makes you stop and think, When you think of leprechauns like that with the Irish, a little man in green running around, did something get lost in translation? Were they talking about a little man in green? Or were they talking about a little green man more on the alien side? So Kevin will go into that tonight. And then he's also had a few Sasquatch encounters we'll talk about.

If you've had an encounter and he'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Kevin to the show. Kevin, thanks for coming on. Thank you so much, Wes, for letting me come on and talk about this subject. Yeah, I'm fascinated by it. And I know you've had a lot of different encounters growing up in Ireland. I kind of like to start there as a kid. We'll kind of walk us into, I know, know you guys had kind of a ritual you guys did. Tell me about that and kind of walk into what you

saw. Yeah, I mean, Ireland is a funny place in a lot of ways, West, because of the fact that, you know, a lot of people, even that they go to church or whatever, they still do small ritualistic things for little people fairies, however you want to define it. I guess we would normally define little people is what are called the she people. That's where you get the back end of Banshee and things like that. And so they, you know, people have been in a situation where in Europe you can still see that people put out offerings for gnomes in Norway or Iceland or whatever or elves. And in Ireland, a lot of times that's true too.

Now, my family had a background that was more into the sort of druid idea. And druidism never really was extinguished fully, I believe, in Ireland. I mean, Roman talked about killing all the druids and stuff like that in England. But of course, they never went to Ireland. They never went to Scotland. So a lot of these cultural ideas stick. And you can see that in an Irish literature and everything like that up until the 20s. I would 20s and 30s, I think people still believed in what was called a fairy doctor who basically was like a, you know, like a shaman.

And they would use the energy of the fairies to heal people. So that being said, we used to go up to a big tree in the forest behind the. the village that I grew up in and offer, make an offering to fairies. Now, maybe if it's not an offering per se, you can really call it a placation. You know, in other words, fairies are not necessarily one of those things that you want to, you want to involve yourself with. I mean, we could talk about that later about what contracting with a ferry is like. But in this case, so we would go up and we would,

do this. My aunt, my great aunt, and people from the whole family for years, basically my mom's side of the family lived in this village for centuries, had been doing this and had, you know, talked about seeing this leprechaun up there. So what we would do is we would take an acorn cup and fill it with honey, and we would leave it at the bottom of a tree. Not much like people give Sasquatch or anything else, That's the same idea. You're basically just trying to have some interaction with it. And so one time we were up there, my mother and I, and this thing was two to three feet tall. I mean, at the time, I didn't see that.

Eventually, I would say that, but let me put it in perspective. I know I get so excited about talking about this. So this head popped out of the bushes, and it was like a dull. I would describe it the way my aunt had written it down in the 50s as a doll head, you know, like a porcelain dollhead that was gray green. And the way, in other words, it showed no emotion. I mean, you know, you've got your standard sort of idea of this fixed face with big black eyes and slits for a nose and slits for a mouth. It didn't have ears either.

I mean, it was flat on the side. It didn't have protruding earlobes or the construction of the cartilage around the earls like humans do. It basically then looked at me, came out of the woods. And at that point in time, out of the bushes. Because originally I thought maybe I'm just seeing a cat or something like that. And it came out of the bushes. and it was a two to three foot tall naked creature that was, you know, it had no genitalia on it.

It was androgynous in that sense. And had long, spindly arms, long and fingers. And I couldn't see the feet because it was always in the underbrush and things like that, but long legs. And it started to run around. Basically, it was so quick in the way that it was moving that basically, you know, I saw it for probably 10 seconds at most. It might have been less than that west, just simply because of the fact that, you know, you know, whenever you're seeing that kind of thing that seems like time stops for a while. Yeah.

But I have a definite image in my mind. Well, you know, whenever we came down and we talked about it, people. didn't think that was crazy. I mean, that was the weird reaction that living in that small village was like. So I guess what was pleasing to me was, is that to country folk,

that wasn't a bizarre necessarily thing. They thought I was telling the truth. My family had always told the truth, told these same stories for a long time. And, yeah, so nobody even got really weird about it. It wasn't like that's not possible or whatever.

There's always an idea of what it could be and what it isn't. I mean, and nobody brought up the idea that it was a gray alien. It was gray green. And the thing that I found later on, just trying to put this into scientific terms is, and I speak Gaelic. I speak a Native American language too. So I had come up with the idea that the leprechaun representation that we all see on St. Patrick's Day is really sort of a mistranslation of a little man wearing green instead of what it really truly is, which is a little green man, you know. And that's that's almost the way that it comes down.

So that's what started me on this. Now, understand, Wes, that my dad is a doctor. He's been the CMO of different insurance companies and things like that. And he wasn't pleased. You know what I mean? He was not pleased about the whole scenario. And so he being an American said to me, you know, you just don't ever want to talk about that. Don't ever admit it.

If you ever want to be anything in life, don't, you know, don't say anything about it. which is odd because once I started to actually talk about this and it became public that I've had these experiences, he's totally fine with it. You know what I mean? It's always odd whenever the story gets out that it's never the implication that you think it is because people really genuinely love a good story. And, you know, from the, you know, from the, that standpoint in time they you know people can say to me well did you were you delusional what you know is there any other witnesses and and so in that case um you know my mom was the one that was there um but then i did have a very strange bizarre experience that was totally uh out of the out of sort of all reality um well before before you go into that let me ask you about this thing. And I find it fascinating because I've actually heard a lot of encounters on and off the air. You and I were talking about that one, it was a husband and a wife that came on,

and the husband was recount, he was recounting seeing this creature. And it was only two or three feet tall. And it ran, it ran into the bushes. You know the story better than I do. I need to go back and listen. And it took off in something. It was like the size of a big barrel you would see on a on a farm it shot up in the air and took off. Yeah. And I've had another one. It was actually on the East Coast. He hasn't come on yet, but he talked about seeing this little almost exactly how you

describe it. And it was looking at them from around the barn. And they sat and looked at each other. And then he said it took off and it was so fast. Do you think, I mean, what is it you think you ran into? Do you think it was aliens just running around in that area? Do you think it was another entity? What's your opinion on what you saw?

Well, I honestly believe. that if you take the romanticism out of the folklore and you actually look at the folklore for what it is with fairies or the fay or whatever you want to do or say I believe it, you know, just like Jacques Valet said, that a lot of these encounters that we talk about prior to understanding that, you know, that zeitgeist of Roswell and everything like that, that really we're, we are seeing the same being. In other words, whether you can make them the claim, I guess it would, it's crazy to claim that aliens or fairies, but I don't think it's crazy to make the claim that fairies have been

interpreted, you know, aliens have been interpreted by fairies. for a long, long time. And you can see that in an old lore. I mean, Irish people for a long time, they, whenever, you know, Celtic people, you can find this archaeologically, that, you know, they had these huge cauldrons. And, you know, this cauldron was a source of wealth.

And basically when people would come, you know, they would have these huge cauldrons. And you could fit a person in it, you know. and when you go through some of the ancient stories of Ireland, you can you find stories that say, you know, these two little two foot green alien things or fairies we're flying around in this copper cauldron or some kind of a metal cauldron.

It comes down and it puts somebody in it and it takes them away, you know, and then they lose time and everything like that. They come back. And so, you know, is that if, again, if you use the jury, Sergio-sucalos way of kind to kind of explaining everything, is that not just an alien abduction in another form? I mean, this is this is one of those things where, you know, as far as alien abductions, they talk about changelings. These different beings that come in and, you know, sort of they take you, you come back, you're not exactly the same person you used to be. So, this. This,

So I think, realistically, that it is some kind of an alien thing. Whether you want to call it a fairy or not, that's up to you. But almost saying that you had an alien encounter gives you more credibility than you saw a fairy. I mean, and I think that that's because of, like, you know, Harry Houdini and the debunking of the little girls in the fairy garden in England. You know, and basically they may or may not have admitted to that was all a hoax. But, you know. Well, yeah, and you're right. And it comes down to what people, how people describe it at the time.

I think when we think of fairies, especially here in the United States, we think of Disney. Yeah. But, you know, there was a gentleman I had on one time who, he was reading his grandfather's diary. And he was on a farm. What happened was as he walks out and he sees these two. owls standing about three feet tall talking to each other and looking at him. He goes back to get a gun and they're gone. Well, he describes the owls. And if you read his description, it sounds like an alien. Big, huge eyes, small mouth, the way the head shaped. So I kind of understand why he said alice at the time

when I heard it. I was like, I wonder what he really saw. And then if you look at an owl and he look at a gray alien, you can kind of see some resemblances. So I understood why he said owl. I think you're right. Sometimes things get lost in translation. You had mentioned another encounter was, and I cut you off and I didn't mean to. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, this is, well, I'm glad you did really because, you know, at that point in time, this, you know, this next thing, which happened within a year of this happening. And I don't, I still, I'm still, even though I've got the more evidence and eyewitnesses that this happened, I'm still.

I'm still more hesitant to say that it happened. I mean, it's one of those things that you've got to understand whenever I'm sitting around the family dinner table at Christmas or Thanksgiving and this subject comes up, I still to this day say, did that really happen? I mean, did that really happen? Am I imagining this? Because, you know, if I'm going to talk about this on the radio or whatever,

I need you to say to me that this is actually true because I don't want to look like an idiot. And, you know, at the same time, that's it. I mean, my mom and my brother were with me. We were in this small little village. We were walking in between my grandfather owned a small little shop in the village, and I lived sort of kitty corner behind it almost a block away, and I was walking through this alley.

Well, fairy lore says that, you know, there's a thing called a fairy wind. And a fairy wind is a fairy wind is basically like a slow dust devil. I almost hate to say dust devil because of the fact that dust devils are powerful. Fairy winds kind of, you know, if you ever go to a location and you just see kind of leaves floating around a courtyard or something like that, They're just lightly blowing around in a circle. That's what we would. Kind of a one weird spot. Yeah, like a weird vortexy spot or whatever.

And it's just basically, you know, that's the way that wind anomaly goes right there. Well, that's what you call a ferry wind. But it's not something that would push you over or move you. It's not like a tornado or anything like that. And so this fairy wind came, and we were always told that if, A fairy wind comes, you lay flat on the ground, and you let it pass over you. In other words, you don't stand up straight because that's how they try to take you. Because, again, fairies take you.

And so my mom and my brother were there, and we were walking down this thing, and this thing came, and they stood out of the way in the doorway of the pub that was behind our house. and well it was Ireland but anyway and so the pub that was behind our house this thing passes through me and I shot straight up in the air it was the middle of the daytime I shot straight up in the air

and I went to the this was a two-story building the thing that I was next to I went higher than the two-story building and I was just hanging there I wasn't moving from side to side or anything like that. I still remember it as

feeling weightless and looking down at my mom. And my mom was freaking out because she thought he's going to, you know, if this thing let's go or whatever it is that's got him, let's go. He's going to fall 20 feet. He's going to die. And so she said to me

say no three times. Well, three is a very kind of an important thing whenever you're dealing with spirits or whatever from another realm because that's that's your intent you mean you see that a lot of times and in a lot of different things in the Bible whatever they'll repeat something three times yeah and so and so um i said no three times and then the thing just basically lowered me down when i what was weird about that was is that i had sort of gone straight up started moving towards the forest where I'd seen this tree, and I crossed over a road.

This guy in a car actually went underneath me, and then I came back down, and I just landed gently, like something had just gone, you know, like I, you know, like a, it wasn't even like a, you know, if you're standing on a platform and it goes up and down like a genie lift, you know, even wasn't like that. It was just I was weightless, and then I moved and then I went back down. Now, there was no other phenomena around as far as, you know, I didn't see a ship, I didn't see this, I didn't, you know, I didn't see some beam of light that I was being taken like Travis Walton or anything like that. But it was just this weird sort of thing that happened.

Well, at that point in time, that's kind of like what really threw me over the edge, West, as far as trying to figure this out, because I was like, okay, you know, the one thing is one thing. But this is like something that totally defies the laws of physics, gravity, everything. And so I really started to do a lot of research into like old fairy things. Now, I was still focusing on fairies at that point in time. And I was still focusing on things like fairy circles, which a lot of people now, you know, fairy circles were basically crop circles of yesteryear. You know, I went to, you know, and talked to several people about.

about these different types of things, and it's well-known documented that these circles disappear. One person I talked to said, well, I think it has to do with magnetism and all these different types of things, or the wind from the leeward side of a hill, creating a vortex.

I mean, these are different types of things that I've tried to explain. In other words, if somebody gave me an explanation that it wasn't a ferry or wasn't this, I'd be happy. That's the thing. I've always struggled for that answer because, you know, I ended up going to college. I actually wanted to be a pilot

for a long, long time, and I got accepted into the, to the, well, after we moved here, I got accepted into the United States Marine Corps ROTC program at the University of Washington and everything like that. You know, I was trying to logically explain all these different things. And, I just never could. I never could come to some peace about what this was. And I think like a lot of people who start to experience these things in a paranormal sense over their life. And I almost think that it's like tagged at birth type thing. You know, it's like here's this weird thing that happened to you as a kid.

And now weird stuff's going to happen to you for the rest of your life. And it almost, and it's almost too much. It's like you almost don't want to say, oh, I've, I've had. But, you know, I've had this experience. I think I've seen a Bigfoot, you know, which I have. Yeah, I understand. And then at that point in time, it's like, okay, yeah, great, you've seen a ghost, you've been seen a fairy, you've been abducted by aliens, and now you're seeing Bigfoot.

I mean, it's almost like a cruel game that the universe plays with you. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I understand. And sometimes I wonder sometimes if everything's kind of intertwined in a different way than we see at first. But I understand what you're saying. I mean, I've had people who've had very strange encounters when they're young, but it usually doesn't end there. Usually, they have several other things that had happened to them. And, you know, you mentioned fairies, and Gary Wayne talked about that.

I had him on the Nephilim shows. He talked about that in his Genesis 6 conspiracy book. And when you read those fairy accounts, it sounds like alien abductions is what it sounds like to me. Yeah. You know, even the Bible. Yeah. was it Ezekiel, a wheel within a wheel. What is he talking about, a wheel within a wheel?

But if you think of an alien chip, yeah, it kind of sounds like an alien chip is what he saw. Well, I think you're so right, Wes, and that's why I try to go through these different types of things because of the fact that I believe that in a lot of ways that a lot of this knowledge gets suppressed in a way and slightly changed so that there, we don't really think about it in that case. Now, you know, obviously at a certain point in time when people were writing folklore, especially around, you know, the early Christian, you know, sort of not the early Christian area, which is like to the third century. I think at that point in time, all bets are off. You could say whatever you wanted to.

I mean, and that's why, you know, you've got the Gnostic Gospels and you've got all these different things and everything like that. And so you've got, you know, lots of different stories that I think have been lost. And that sort of metaphysical side to the Bible isn't there now that it should be, in my opinion. You know, like I said, I'm not a theologian. Yeah. No, I understand. But what I'm saying is that from that standpoint, you know, at that issue, a lot of these different things don't come into play anymore.

And I think that, you know, that this is an issue for some people is like, to some people, what I saw would be a demon. You know, and I say, you know, that's what they'd say. You saw a demon in the woods and that's what it is. And it's clearly that. And it clearly had malintent and all these different types of things. But I didn't, I didn't feel it that way. I mean, people are over into their interpretations, their spiritual beliefs. I understand that.

But if anything, I thought that this thing was neutral towards me, you know. And so that's the thing I've always gotten about it. I think fairies have their own agenda, you know, in a way. Yeah. And I was kind of curious with that first encounter in the woods. Did that thing ever vocalize? Or I'm kind of curious what your mom thought about it, too. Kind of two questions there.

Did it ever vocalize and what did your mom think? No, no. No, it never did. It never had. My mom has had paranormal experiences her whole life. And same kind of thing. You come from that family of people who are seen as, you know, and it's a documented thing that they used to actually come to people in the village that I lived in

and tried to, you know, they were taken as children and trained up as druids and, you know, the 800s and things like that. And so, you know, that family stock is going to firmly believe that. So, yeah, she was completely not sort of phased by it, which is a strange thing. And neither was any of the people like my aunt who, like I said, had kept a journal of seeing this in the 50s. and it was it was um like i i keep saying aunt it was my great aunt so just to be clear that uh that she wrote it down and it was exactly the same thing and like i said the the words that she used as far as porcelain dollhead oversized porcelain dollhead you know like you could you can imagine what she's saying she's trying to explain something as a you know sort of a emotionless face that you know you know

that she described with big eyes and everything like that and the same kind of spindly body and everything and and so a lot of times people say to me well you watched um close encounters of the third time kind that's where you got this idea from that's what you were you know this is all you know a projection of you know popular zeitgeist of the time and and and then you know and i say well you know I believe that, A, that movie didn't come out until 77, 78, 78. Same year that Star Wars did, I think. And that was before that. And my aunt's thing was definitely before that.

So unless she, you know, so the description met with that. I mean, I think that's one of those things where a lot of times people will say, well, look at all these different types of aliens everybody's seen over the years. well, this is a consistent type of a thing. I think that they're not necessarily looking at it from the standpoint of looking at other research, folklore, stories, and et cetera, and actually trying to put that together

as a long-standing thing that's been coming around. Take, for example, Wes, Antman. If you look at the story of Ant-Man, people living under the ground, which fairies are supposedly do, and supposedly UFOs do now in these days and they live in underground bases and undershigr bases and stuff like that, that the ant people coming from the ground being two to three feet tall with this sort of a plasticine oversized head and, you know, a body like the skin the way it is and sort of androgynous like that. Does that not smack of looking like a ant person?

to me. You mean, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, I understand. And you know, I don't, I don't take too much, and I mean, cut you off, but I don't take too much credit when someone says, well, you got that from a movie. I mean, you know, and one thing that you said, I think is very interesting, is a leprechaun. I never thought about that before. You and I talked yesterday, and after we hung up, I thought, oh, that is strange. What do you think of when you think of a leprechaun? A little green man, You know, and so maybe somewhere between Ireland and America, something got lost in translation, and it wasn't this cute little man dressed up in a nice little suit and top hat that lives by the rainbow. Maybe they were talking about something else. Well, yeah, I think you can make a very, very good case for that because I know that it's interesting that a lot of Celtic myth shows up in Appalachia.

and so this is the thing where people don't realize that, you know, St. Patrick's Day, to me, even as a child, was not a big deal in Ireland. It just wasn't a big deal. You know, you see parades in Ireland now. That came from America. It didn't come from Ireland, you know. And so it's a strange thing where people don't understand the circularity of just how things move. And so, yeah, you can, there's great stories of, you know, you know, like devil's rings, which I think are fairy rings in, you know, in the Appalachian Mountains. Those people were mainly from, you know, Scots-Irish stock and you throw some German in it. I mean, if you look at sort of the whole idea of where Native American culture and Celtic mysticism and sort of West African stuff all comes together, it's the Salem Witch trials, you know, that's one example of all that melding together and tituba being exposed to all these different things and and and sort of fundamentalism and what happens whenever you you enter into the mixing pot these stories and and there's that juxtaposition between the two and and people start you know people start you know experiencing these you know witch trials and things like that so you know

it's always interesting to me that and I think I talked to you about it last night that the McMock people of New Brunswick that's at First American, First Nations tribe in Canada, you know, they have stories of fairies and Sasquatch. I mean, these are two things that go together. And so from that standpoint,

I don't know whether that's how that all, incorporates. But whenever you start to talk about the old stories, that seems to predate, you know, European settlement. Yeah, you're right. I mean, and you find it, there's a mix of, especially in America, there's a mix of different cultures. I mean, even down in Louisiana, the luguru, or Luke Daru, or however they pronounce it, you know, and it's this werewolf that, you know, was, and it's kind of a cultural thing that was brought over, but people were seeing it down there, and so they only related it to what they knew. It's like when you say fairies, people might

be turned off by that. Well, let's replace fairies and say aliens. Now all of a sudden, everyone's listening. We're talking about the same thing. It's just a different way of describing it, a different, you know, they didn't have the term aliens back then, so they said fairies. I think you're right. It's, you know, sometimes people contact me. about dogman and uh you know which which personally i've never seen but uh you know but they they would be interested in a you know a historical uh context for that and and it's funny because you know st patrick reportedly went into a village whenever he was a a child i mean whenever he was uh you know starting to do his missionary work and he'd come back and you know the whole town turned

into, you know, wolves. You know, and this is written in a sort of a religious document, giving the history of St. Patrick. And so, I mean, so it is funny that, you know, again, these are stories that, you know, we don't necessarily, you know, do find, you know, the connections. And it's such a huge topic. that you have to be specialized in the way that you do that.

Most people can't read Latin, so you're never going to hear that story or they don't understand that type. So you basically deal with people who have to be able to read sort of middle English and then translate it and then re-translate it. And then you get into that whole thing about that. And so I think that there's well documentation of these things for a long, long time and we've we've just got the small little bit of it yeah i tend to agree with you i definitely tend to agree with you so you grew up in ireland you moved to the states and tell me about

your your saskatch encounter i'm fascinated by it did it happen here in washington yes it did and it it uh you know it was kind of it was kind of a funny thing i mean it i'll tell you a little bit of a background. I used to, in the 90s, I used to do a lot of Jeep tours in the mountains in Colorado up by a place called Marble, which is on the backside of Aspen and Snowmass Mountain. And so, but we would do that. I was up in the woods there and we were out there for, you know, three months at a time and basically, you know, in off-grid camping for three. three months of the time. And I never saw anything weird, never saw anything weird. Yeah, but I remember that these people had come down from Schofield Pass to the small little ghost town that, you know,

I would take people to, and they were frantic. And I said, you know, I was like, well, what's going on? I was the first one who had a radio with me to, you know, call down if they needed help. And I said, No, well, they're not. They didn't need help, but they said something's been following us up in the woods for like the last two nights. And I said, well, what do you mean? And he basically had said that, yeah, he felt like this huge thing was stalking around him. And every time he would stick his head out of the thing, these two glowing red eyes were like looking at him. And he'd go back in the tent and they basically like held up in the tent all night.

and then the next day they would move along and they would feel like it was following them and everything and then he got to me and I remember I and unfortunately I regret this now but I think it was a learning experience I said that I said that's you know even though I had you know seeing uh you know a fairy and all these different types of things I just I just I did what most people do oh yeah those aren't real those aren't real you're hallucinating you didn't see that you know what I I think I was a lot more really terrible. I was terrible about it, to be honest with you. Anyway, they did make a report, and it turned out to be that the people who researched it

found it to be genuine, and I've seen it actually reenacted in several films about Bigfoot. But I was the first guy who put the kibosh on it was the poo-pooer. So if anybody ever tells me my stories aren't real, I get it. But anyway, so that being said, I was up in the mountains by Granite Falls, Washington, off the Mountain Loop Highway, which is kind of an interesting place. It's, you know, it's kind of the most northern national forest. And nobody ever goes out there. I mean, you know, it's like, you know, everybody's hanging around Mount Rainier. And, you know, you can go up in the Mountain Loop Highway. There's never anybody there at all, you know. and so we had found this spot that you can go shooting and that was actually not the federal land but it was the county land and the rangers told us we could go shoot there and everything like that well we were up there and i've always been sensitive to know and i think most people do when you're being watched you know you get that really weird creepy thing we were up there and this this i would think that the elevation is that the elevation is you know you get that really weird creepy thing we were up there and this this this i would think that the elevation there is probably about 1,700 feet. And there's no kind of streams that come down from the mountain anywhere close to there. But I got this smell.

The smell kept coming on the breeze. And it was just a horrible smell. I mean, that sort of dead salmon, you know, rotting, you know, feces type, you know, stale, urany type smell. And it just kept going around in it. And I just sort of freaked me out. And I thought, man, is there something dead around here? I just basically thought there must have been a dead carcass around. And so I started to kind of walk around and there was, you know, I didn't find anything there. There was no sense of this smell. And the smell would just stop and then it would start again. And it was just weird like that. And so I wet my finger.

I lick my finger, held it up in the air. There's no discernible breeze coming from everything. So it's just weird that this smell is coming like that. And then I just, you know, I really had, my wife, you know, was with me, he's a sensitive lady and believes in spiritual Bigfoot. Let's put it that way. Well, she didn't at the time. I mean, we never had any experiences with Bigfoot. she gets this thing in her head, like, you know, what are you guys doing here?

It was kind of like a voice like that, a feeling in her head. And I got the same kind of a weird story, strange thing too. Like, you know, like something was kind of like watching us and it was kind of pissed. And, you know, whenever I was a kid and my family had always said to me, you know, if you enter in a strange room and you have this weird feeling, you know, you tell them what you're doing and that you're just trying to do your business and you'll be out of there and you'll leave. So I've always done that whenever I've walked into a room that somebody said is haunted. I always said, my name's Kevin.

I'm here just to take this and I'm going to come back and, you know, whatever, I'm not in any threat to you. So I actually started verbalizing that to the woods. So I really started to feel that this was there. And I said, yeah, we're here. We're doing this. And we're going to pick everything up and we're going to leave. And it was because of the fact that she had felt that at the same time I verbalized it. that she, otherwise she would have never said that she, that this happened.

Well, then we started looking at it from the standpoint of, well, is this, if this actually did happen to the both of us and it's not some coincidence and I'm not just saying it, maybe we should go back up there. That's when the obsession hit, you know, Wes. Like now I've got to see this. I've got to see this. And so we went up there repeatedly for a long time. and one time when we were up there,

we would go to this same place every time. And it's kind of a, it's the way to describe it is strange. I mean, I don't know if the force where you're at down there have this, but up here there's a, it's, the elevation changes pretty quickly. And so you have what are called, what I call, anyway, finger draws that, that, that, you know, so basically you have almost like an island with like these pits that go, you know, like these draws that go down around it. And sometimes they can be pretty deep, you know, like four or five feet deep.

And I, I, we were standing there. And I realized, again, that there was all these noises coming from these like draws. Like something was sneaking around, you know, observing us. from, you know, these sort of, well, natural cover. Like anything would, if, you know, realistically, it was an intelligent thing. And it's curious wants to observe you. Like, why are these people up here all the time?

You know, what's the deal? And, yeah, something started to move down this draw. Then I was standing to the right of my wife. My wife was looking to the left. And this thing passed her. like I would imagine, I mean, she, she estimated at like 20 to 30 miles an hour. I mean, it was just cruising past her. And I looked over to the right and two things passed me on the right.

And they were, I mean, I saw the whole thing. It was two seven feet tall, you know, beings that were covered in hair, was running past me. And I was like, I was like, was really afraid because of that, I have PTSD from being around military situations. And I, and I, and I, and I said, they're trying to get behind us, which really worried me, you know, like, I don't understand why they're trying to get behind, you know, like, that was the thing that was my fear, was that these things were trying to get behind us.

But, um, and so, yeah, that was, it was amazing in the fact that my wife raised her camera up. and took a picture. And so, I mean, it's, I mean, I've said people look at it and they say, well, you know, it's the classic weird, you know, thing moving and, and, you know, people say, well, it's a shadow or people say, it's just not a shadow or whatever. But it's a blob squatch. I mean, you know what I mean? It's not evidence of anything. It's evidence to me that I wasn't sort of making it up at the time. But it's a weird, it's a weird thing.

So then I started to get into all kinds of weird stuff. And then at that point in time, I really started to go to all these different conferences and everything like that and have done research with different researchers. And, you know, again, it's some of them controversial, some of them not. But I always said, you know, I'll tell the truth about what happened when I was up there. Well, sometimes you just don't know that it's going to get that weird. but yeah no i understand you know and it is it is fascinating and you know i'm you know sometimes with blurry pictures or like blob squashes sometimes it's good to have a context behind it too like what were you guys doing when you took this and so especially if you're capturing something in motion

it's going to be blurry right um how far away from you what was the saying when the two things ran past you and the one past your wife the one the one the one the one's on my side where were fairly far away. I think I measured it out to be about 50 meters or roughly about 150 feet. On my wife's side, I would say it was more like 40 feet, maybe 30 feet. And so it was very close. Now, I will say this, and I sort of, I'm saying this out of, I get a little excited about these things, I get a lot of context.

Okay. I have a master's degree in Native American. education. And I used to teach on reservations from Native folklore and Irish folklore and bringing those two things together. And a lot of the things that we find out on Native stories is that, especially it's kind of a shame, that a lot of people, that, you know, unfortunately what I'd say is a lot of natives don't know the history. It's unfortunate of their own tribe. And so, and this is something that I, you know,

tried to help with, you know, dealing with elders and things like that to sort of rekindle the idea of the folklore and everything like that to bring it back. So I was immersed in sort of Sasquot's lore from a native perspective. I was lucky enough than that because I don't think a lot of people actually do understand that, get that level of understanding from elders and things like that. But I will also say this, that, I mean, elders, it's like a lot of things. You have to define what the value of truth is in a certain way. We used to teach things in what was called the seven teachings of the grandfather. One is truth and the other was honesty.

And I asked an elder to explain that to me one time. And I said, can you explain that to me? Because to most people, they're going to say, it's a synonym of the other thing. It's like if you're being truthful, you're being honest. if you're being honest, you're being truthful. Right. Well, and so he said, well, it's like this. I mean, we all have our own truth.

And so therefore, you know, you can as long, but as long as you're being honest about what you experienced, that truth goes through. In other words, they're not against the idea of multiple truths. You know, in other words, if I went to, a reservation and I talked to an elder and I said, what's Sasquatch? And he said, oh, it's this man that lives up in the woods and he's this. You know, there's nothing weird about it, but it's just this thing that lives up there. We don't deal with them. And that's fine, you know, that's his

interpretation of it. If he's had experience with it, that's great. That's the way he says it. But you can also go to another elder in the same tribe and he can say, no, they're spiritual beings, they disappear, they go into some other realm. You know, this is one of those things that is unfortunately, and I don't think it gets really played into a lot into our understanding of native lore in a way that there's multiple truths and somebody can say, somebody can bowl up on you and say, now it's a man, you know, it's this, it's an ape or whatever. but, you know, in all fairness, they're not necessarily giving you the interpretation of it.

Now, that being said, too, there's a lot of problem with giving locations of Sasquatch and things away, holy spaces, and all these things away to people who would sort of take advantage of it. And so that's a tough thing. But I was told this location after where we saw this by somebody in the, you know, the native tribe. And so, you know, and it panned out, you know, but it's one of those things where, yeah, but it is a strange thing. So, you know, people ask me about it. And I say, well, yeah, no, that's, I say, if you're going to try to find a Sasquatch area, try to find some holy land or previously holy land around here that people revered.

And in your neck of the woods, you've got two, which is Mount Hood and Mount Adams. I mean, those are two distinct areas where I think that around the foothills of those two things, you get multiple reports and all these different types of things. And it's weird because if you go to Mount Adams and you go on the Yakima side of the reservation, which is the eastern part of Mount Adams, and you can actually have a conversation with somebody, they'll say, oh, yeah, we know they're real. We know they're there.

There's not even a doubt. Yeah, and I find it fascinating you bring up the holy places because you and I were talking yesterday. And he said it's interesting because a lot of these places are called, you know, Devil's Canyon, Devil's Creek. And at first I was like, I don't know about that, but as we were talking, you were saying, you know, what's the best way to keep people out of areas? You don't call it the holy area. You call it Devil's Creek or Devil's Hill or Devil's Mountain. And people tend to stay away from places with devil's name. Not so much now, but I think back in the day, if a place was called Devil's Creek, most people would stay away from it.

Yeah, I think you're very right, Wes, in the way that I think that at some point in time, as Native peoples were being moved off their sort of land. I mean, obviously, you can look at it from the history of Washington and Oregon is kind of strange in the fact that I think for a long time people were living side by side in the valley. You know, that's, that's, that was okay, you know, from that standpoint. And then it was really more of a sort of now, this is where you got to live, you know. And so it's a tough call because I think that at a certain point, people say things to keep people out of the woods at a certain location. That's true, that's true in almost any culture.

I mean, if you go to Appalachia, sometimes you're going to hear about the haunted woods, You're going to hear about that in Ireland. You're going to hear about that, you know, and all these different things. And why's that? Well, it could be either that's a holy spot. They don't want you to go to it or it could be there, you know, I suppose back in the day, it was like, I got my still up there. I don't want you up there looking at it, you know, or whatever.

I mean, a lot of these myths about places being scary have to do with specifically keeping people out of certain sections of woods. how it is is it's like it's not like oh um you know you stay out of the all the woods it's just like no you don't want to go into that holler you don't want to go into that you know set of woods there that one's not you know that's not it and and i think you know it's a human nature type of thing is if if you have no real barrier for people to get to an area a lot of times people come up with scary stories to do it or you know or or you know if you're a native person and and uh you know the you know a spiritual being or spiritual character um gets caught or or whatever what what's the ramifications for them i mean if if if does it does it then you know sort of put a curse on people i've actually

heard that you know like yeah you you know you don't want to have anything to do with catching a Sasquatch because we're killing it specifically because, you know, that would basically curse you and your family for forever. Now, people would say, well, is it really a curse, you know, in the sense of do curses really exist? Well, maybe it's not, but maybe it's sort of an allegorical thing. Could you imagine being, you know, the guy who actually proves Bigfoot exists, you know, from that standpoint, you draw it out of the woods with you? I mean, in a way, you might have fame, you might have fortune, but your life, I can guarantee you're going to have somebody with a microscope looking to every aspect of your of your butt from here, from the day you were born

until now, every time that you've ever been drunk, every time that you've ever, you know, maybe hit somebody, you know. And then, and they're going to try to, and somebody's going to try to, and somebody's going to try to, you know, impugn you. And so, again, that's almost the situation that it's in. I mean, it's, you know. You become, I always say the person who solves it, or if they kill one and bring it in, will be infamous. You'll be famous.

You'll get money. You'll get paid. Trust me. But you might be infamous, too. You know, and I, and it is kind of a curse. I mean, I have shows where witnesses come on. and talk about killing them. And you see, or, you know, in positions where they've shot them, and you see the reaction

from the public. They're so outraged by, you know, someone saying what happened to them. There's this weird outrage with, especially the Bigfoot community, man, which is, I don't know, man, a little shaky at times, I think mentally. Not so much eyewitnesses, but I mean, some of the people in the Bigfoot world, they kind of worry me, you know what I mean? I think you're definitely, I think you're right. You know, I think the, you know, the biggest impedance to Bigfoot is the constant arguments that we have about it and trying to define what it is and what it isn't.

I mean, here's the thing. I'll also say later on whenever I was back in Colorado, about two or three years ago, one walked across the road in front of me at the the same place that these people had seen it. Just to bring that to full circle. So that's, if anybody wants to know where that is, that location is up by a ghost town called Crystal in between marble. It's marble go up to Crystal. There's a place called Lizard Lake there, which is a weird, bizarre place.

And halfway between there, there's a meadow and that's where I saw it if you want to know exactly where it was. I have no problem telling anybody that's where I've seen these things. Tell us about that. What did you see? Yeah, so I, it was just a bizarre thing. This was totally biological in nature. In other words, there was nothing to lead me to believe that this wasn't sort of like just a, just a, I mean, and I would describe it as a human, almost like not, not Simeon as much as a hairy man.

I guess that's how I would define it. This thing was about seven and a half feet tall, was very super lean, not broad, like, it was broader than a standard person, but the hair didn't look like animal hair at all, you know? I mean, almost, you know, like the difference between like sort of ape hair and orangutan hair? It was more like orangutan hair, you know, that sort of wispy hair. And so what happened was I was driving up in this in this side by side up to the thing. And I came across, I heard this rustling in the, in the, in the, in the, in the bushes. And Colorado's kind of funny place, just like Washington State.

I mean, like literally something could be, something the size of a, of a human could be three feet away from you in the woods. and you won't know because of the brush that's the way that it is. And that's basically how it was around this trail. So this thing comes beaten out of the brush, basically takes like two steps across this road. And it kind of looked at me. And it had to have known I was there,

which is the thing that freaks me out in a way. Because, you know, if you're on a gravel road in the middle of the mountains, those things, I mean, I can hear people, coming from a mile away. I mean, and so this is not stupid, you know, it did it on purpose. And so it crossed over the road, looked at me. And I mean, whether I imagine this or not, but this is really almost, it was like,

I read the body language, like it sort of shrugged its shoulders and said, what are you going to do about it? You know, it was kind of like, you know, and then it just looked straight ahead and kind kept walking into the woods on the other side. And I was so dumbfounded by it. I just didn't, I mean, it's like people say, well, how come you don't whip out a camera and start chasing around it? It's like, I'm trying to process this, you know,

even though I believe I've seen it in the past, this is like broad daylight, you know. This is not under canopy of woods. This is not a shadow. This is thing like coming out of the brush, walking across a road and going into the other side. And it's like, man, this is crazy. It's just absolutely crazy.

And it's funny because you want to talk to people who research up there. And I know people who research up there because I hear them. Sometimes I'll be out in the woods and you'll hear these people coming and researching for things like, oh yeah, it's supposed to be over here and take a picture of that and take a picture of that. and it's like you just want to go up to them and say are you looking for bigfoot because this is where I would look but you can't do it and they're so they're so shadowy about how they're doing it so that's the thing that's funny I believe that in certain researcher it's probably three or four people you know researching it and they never put their data together and so that's a strange thing you know yeah it is and were you driving at the time Kevin I didn't yeah I was I was driving in a TV I was driving in ATV, it was side by side. And, you know, it was a, you know, and, um, can you just describe what you saw? I'm just curious for my own curiosity, what you actually saw. I, I, it looked like if I were, if I were put it out, I'd say seven foot tall, manlike thing.

You know, like, like I said, I didn't see an ear, but I was under, because that was under hair. But it, the face was more like a bearded face. again with this wispier orange sort of Auburn hair I guess you'd describe it not Jet Black and not brown like a brown bear

but sort of more of a reddish tint to it and looked like a seven and a half foot tall basketball player like literally you know if you were to take

an NBA player put him in a suit up there I would say that that was the closest thing that you could approximate it except maybe it was broader than that

but it was it but like I said so a lot of times people say to me well what do you think that was and I say well I don't know what a Denisovan looks like I don't know what any of us

if any of us knows what a denisivin looks like but if if anything I would think it would seem like to me that's a cross between a human and a denisivine and a neanderthal because that would give it the height weight you know the width and weight of a Sasquatch. Was it face more human? Yeah.

It was definitely more human and it was expressionful. It did have it did have a maybe more of a splayed nose like a full nostril type scenario. In other words, it didn't seem to have, you know, sometimes you've got what's called a low bridge. Some people have what's called a low bridge. Some people have a high bridge. So like whenever you're buying cameras, a lot of people who are from Asian descent, they have to get a certain kind of glasses that sit on their face, you know, a different way. Because it seems like the nose comes out differently than maybe some of it. European

descendant people. And so I would say Yeah, and I, and I, that's what I would say. It was like an Asian bridge of to the nose. It wasn't, it wasn't like a predominant,

you know, sort of what we, what I was brought up to known as a Roman nose. But I think, you know, from that standpoint. And, yeah.

And, and, and, yeah, it was, I'm trying to think, about exactly. I have it written down here somewhere West. I'm sorry. I didn't give you the I can't give you. No apologies. It's fascinating though that. Yeah. And you know what I find

interesting, Kevin, about Sasquatch reports is a lot of times people will say it was very much human like. And other times they'll say no. It was very much more like a chimpanzee or man, I'm fascinated by the different descriptions. And I've had a lot from California, or not California, Colorado, where they said it was more human-like. And I've also had other types where people said it reminded them of an ape, looked just like an ape, except for the nose was a little different. And it had a bigger mouth and the head was a little different, but it reminded them of an ape.

It's just fascinating when you hear different reports. I honestly think this is my own opinion, which doesn't mean much, but I think the ones that are more human-like generally tend to be less aggressive. When people say, oh, it looked like Neanderthal, it looked like a native, of American, except for being all hairy, generally they're less aggressive. I don't know if you found that through looking into it or not. Well, yeah, it is interesting because as you come down and you talk to different people from different tribes from Alaska down, and luckily enough, I've been able to do that through different sources that, you know, the more northern you get,

It seems like you almost get it described to you as a wild. That's really the term that they would use, wild man, wild man of the woods, you know. And it's almost like, you know, the way that they describe it is, it's like a separate people who they don't interact with. You know, it's like, this is where you're going to go. This is where I'm going to go. And so it's very human-like. They would almost describe it.

They would describe it as people. but and and so but I think that these would have sort of a culture around them in other words that you know almost like you know stone age man in a way you know that you know these people were doing that and I and I and I asked somebody one time about it and you know he he kind of intimated that maybe that these things were a threat biologically. Not necessarily, and what I mean by that is as a carrier of a potential disease. And that would make sense to me in the way that some people describe trading or gifting with certain things.

I know that for a certain reason, you wouldn't want to trade with somebody who was a carrier of somebody that would infect your whole tribe because of the fact that, you know, coming in contact with them is not necessarily the way you'd want to do it. But if you were to trade, as with, as some Indians did with other Indian tribes or Native American tribes, that, you know, you would leave it in a trailway and wait, somebody would replace it with something and then they would take it. You know, this is not uncommon. This is not uncommon for people to do, even with other tribes that were when you were coming into contact with people and realizing that disease and what you would call, quote, unquote, a virgin population is a huge problem, you know, as well as, I mean, because we know that, you know, the constitution of many Native Americans weren't prepared for European diseases and things like that.

I'm not saying they're from Europe, but I'm just saying that they're definitely not that. Now, that would also make sense because of the fact that whenever you look at these stories of women mating with Sasquatch, that if they were people that could work. In other words, it's kind of a creepy story, but it's true. Back in the 20s or 30s, you know, Stalin was like trying to mate humans with. apes, you know? He was.

Yeah, yeah. To try to do it. It never could actually pull it off. But we know that through DNA that Denise Evans and humans are compatible. We know that Neanderthons and humans were compatible. So it would make sense to me that if it was a humanoid that was very, very close to that, that that could mate with us. Now, which would also be kind of a, you know, a reason why we haven't, everybody says, well, why don't you know, have any evidence or whatever? and somebody will say, well, I sent it in, it came back human.

Well, would that not come back human? I mean, Neanderthals and us shared 99. I believe 5% the same DNA. And so, you know, and Denise Evans probably the same way. So your initial sanding is I'm sending this, I'm sending this hair in to get it amalyzed and it comes back human. Well, yeah, that's a good thing. You know what I mean? It's not going to come back an ape. because unless you start to pay the big dollars, the initial screening of it is going to come back human.

Yeah, what do they always say? Human contamination? Yeah. Which always kind of makes me raise an eyebrow. It's like, really, all of this is human contamination? Well, and this is it, you know, and then you, I mean, it creates enough doubt in people's minds to realize that, you know. I mean, I think that probably a piece of doubt. DNA has been submitted to somebody that's actually a Sasquatch DNA and it came back human

contamination or it came back human with the initial screening of it. And it's already sitting there. And it's like we probably already have the, we already probably have the proof somewhere. Yeah, I would agree with you. So is that what you think Sasquatch is? Do you think it's more along the lines of an ancient hominid? I would, I would think so. I mean, part of me really wants to say, you know, that's it. But again, Wes, I can't deny people's experiences in the fact that if I said that's what it was. And that's it. That's all there is out in the woods.

That wouldn't be fair to people to say, oh, yeah, well, you know, whenever you thought it disappeared, that didn't happen. You know, whenever you took that video of that trackway that just disenfranchway that just dissonable. appears in the middle of nowhere, that didn't happen. You know, I mean, and so, and so from, from that standpoint, I mean, again, it's a, it's a, I would say that part of us are looking for, depending on where you are in the, in the United States, there's probably three at least big creatures that are walking around in the woods. And I don't know, like if, for example, the falk monster, you know, and, you know, has three toes. Well, you know, show me some geneticists that can say that human beings, for example, can mutate into a three-toed being.

I mean, it's just not going to happen. I mean, it's not like you can say that. So for me, I mean, even if you, I mean, show me in history whenever somebody, has mutated over time that many toes. I mean, in other words, yeah, Ambelin was born with six fingers, but her children, but Queen Elizabeth wasn't, you know what I mean? It's, you know, that mutation, that strange sort of, that some people are, you know, these vestigial problems or, you know, like prehensal tails.

Some people are still like that. Some people still are born with tails, you know? I get what you're saying, and I appreciate what you're saying, because you're right. I mean, and that's the problem is if you say, you know, like sometimes Bigfoot researchers say, well, it was, it's gigantic antipithecus. Well, I got about 20 questions for you that you can't answer. And you're right. There is a lot of weird. It's one of those topics.

It's so hard to nail down. And what's the deal with people saying it looked more human? And then other times they say it looked more ape-like or more. chimp like it really is a mystery it really is a mystery even people have seen it it's a mystery oh yeah absolutely yeah i i just want to say the mystery is probably what keeps me what keeps me excited about it you know it's it's the fact that i i really i'm you know i you know what keeps me going out into the woods is the fact that i want to experience this not that i want to prove it you know, to a lot of people, it's not that way.

You know, it means some people will say, I'll never go into the woods again. You know, it's like I'll never go back into the woods. This is terrified me to the course of the way it is. And I totally respect that. But to me, it didn't seem like that. I mean, I'm more afraid, to be honest with you, I'm more afraid of a mountain lion than I am a Bigfoot. Because, again, I've said this before.

I mean, anything that can climb up a tree and jump on you from above, you know, is terrifying to me. You know, like I've seen a Sasquatch, but if I saw this quote unquote bat squatch that people talk about, I mean, I would be traumatized. I would be, you know, in a small, like, I can't imagine a huge thing being, you know, being able to fly around and like from above. I mean, that just literally would, I think I would be institutionalized at that point in time. I wouldn't be able to deal with it. Yeah, the thing with the mountain line is at least you'll never see it coming by the time it gets a hold of you. But Kevin, you know, I appreciate you coming on. I got to have you back.

I really enjoyed talking with you. And thank you so much for sharing some of the encounters you had in Ireland. I really enjoyed hearing him, man. Yeah. Yeah. And I do, I'm so thankful, Wes, that I got to talk to you about it. And hopefully it comes down to the thing, like, if this helps one person say, you know, I'm not weird and I saw this thing and what could it be? I mean, I guess we got, we never did get to the answer about what it is.

But I can tell you that ever since I've told my story, I've been contacted by people in Ireland. I've been contacted by people in America and they're seeing it. So don't be afraid to, don't be afraid to say what you're saying and then and go through it because it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. People believe it's happening. I believe it happened to me. I thank you, Wes, for giving me the opportunity to say that. Yeah, well, thank you for the kind words, and I appreciate you coming on, Kevin. Have yourself a great night.

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