Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:556 The Unexpected Sasquatch Encounter

Episode Date: June 29, 2019

Here is Sundays early release. I will be speaking to four guests tonight. My first guest writes "I've recently started tuning into your podcast. My dad told me about it Friday and today I've been able to listen to it. And I've been listening since 9 this morning. I wanted to share my experience/encounters with you. My name is Sebastian. I have a couple experiences in Illinois and one in Idaho. The first instance took place when my brother and I were walking through the woods out by Staunton lake in Illinois. We went down the spillway and were walking the trails back behind the lake. We were about a mile into the woods and my little brother decided he wanted to stop and rest. So I went to walk a little farther ahead. I walked maybe 50 yards away from him before I realized it was dead silent. Which it wasn't before. There were birds chirping and squirrels running around and just sounds of activity maybe 5 minutes prior to me realizing. After I realized it was quiet I slowed my pace. And took maybe fifteen more steps before I heard a branch break up the hill to my right. And right after I heard the break there was a low toned grunt that came afterwards. I was 13 at the time. And my little brother was 9. I heard the grunt and immediately took off running back towards my brother. I came barreling past him and all I could say was run. We ran all the way back to the road and made the mile walk back into town. He kept questioning me about why we ran. And I told him about the noise. He didn't believe me. Well 3 or 4 weeks later we were at the same lake. It was about 9:30 to 10 at night. We were night fishing. We weren't having any luck so we decided to throw rocks and sticks and anything else we could find across the little cove into the woods on the other side. We had a fairly bright lantern that lit up the other side of the cove, but just to the base of the tree line. We couldn't see anything else past the tree line. Well maybe 20 minutes after we stopped throwing rocks and everything we heard some movement just out of eye sight on the other side of the cove. And then rocks started coming out of the tree line towards us. None made it to us, they all just hit the water in front of us. At the time I thought it was just people. That's still a possibility. It wasn't super remote. I'm not sure what happened out at the lake. And I'll never know for sure. But my experience in Idaho is a little different. I'm getting goose bumps just typing about it. In 2016 I moved to Idaho with the girl I was seeing at the time. I was 19. We moved to Idaho falls in south east Idaho. Well it was late September and my girlfriends parents and I got into a little argument and I wasn't wanting to stay there that night. So I packed a blanket and pillow into our 2001 Honda Accord we had, and drove about 8 miles outside of town into the mountains. It was a bright moon and plenty of stars. No light pollution. So it was very well lit. I eventually found this rock road off the main road, and I took it for about another mile. And then a red dirt road came off of the rock road and went back further towards the mountains. I had never been there before so it was all new terrain. I decided to take that dirt road. And it was full of twists and turns and it eventually lead me down the side of the mountain on the backside from where I came in at. It lead down to a valley in between these two mountains. And it had a small river running through it. I got down there and decided that was where I was going to sleep for the night. I shut the car off and the lights. I didn't have any service on my phone, so I was playing games and smoking cigarettes in the car to try to pass time. It was about midnight. Now from the front of my car to the creek bank was about 6 feet. And I could tell from looking that there was a small drop off from the bank down to the creek. Maybe 3 feet or so. And there were bushes along the bank. The creek itself was maybe 15 feet away. Well anyway something told me to look up from my phone. I'm not sure why I did it. Or what possessed me to look up. But something told me to look up. And when I did I seen this very large hairy man like looking thing standing with it's back turned to me in the creek. Maybe 20 feet away. Just into the creek. It was a dark brown. Not quite black. Hair was maybe 2 inches in length. I didn't see arms passed the elbow at first. Then I realized they were kinda bent up. Like it's hands were by its mouth, so I couldn't see the forearms. I'm not sure if it was eating fish or what it was doing. But I got terrified. So I flipped the headlights of the car on. When I did that it instantly dropped to the ground. Quicker than I've ever seen. It was there then it wasn't. And in a matter of maybe 2 seconds it went from 20 feet to peeking at me through the bushes right at the edge of the bank. 6 foot away from the front of my car. I could see it's eyes, and the skin around the eyes. But nothing else. Massive eyes. Almost like baseballs, but just a little smaller. And we locked eyes for what felt like an eternity. But in reality probably no more than 3 or 4 seconds. After those few seconds went by I started the car and slowly started to reverse. When I did it didn't move, flinch or nothing. Just kept my face in its sight. I backed up a little bit to where I'd be able to drive off and floored it. Sped up the mountain. Almost rolling off in the process of trying to get away. Now I'm a big guy. I'm 6'5 and 280 lbs. I've been training in martial arts for the last 9 years now. I know I can hold my own against certain things. I was the same size at 19. I'm 22 now. And I felt helpless. Like I could have fought with everything I had, and it not even register on this things scale, not even faze it. It was immense. I've been 15 feet away from a grizzly before while in a vehicle. And I though that was massive. But the grizzly had nothing on what I saw. My shoulder width is just a little over 2 feet. The shoulder width of this was easily two to three times mine. And it was easily a foot and a half to two feet taller than I was if I had to judge it. The back wasn't necessarily like cut and lean, but I could tell there was a fair amount of muscle in the back. And the back of the arms looked muscular. And it had the cone shaped head. I've shared my Illinois encounters with other people. But never my Idaho encounter. And your show made me want to reach out."   Check out Ron's website http://ronmorehead.com/

Ran for a night bill. Go from left to right and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain,

turned and stared at me, and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling out, maybe grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. What are you reporting?

Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles. If you've had an encounter, email me.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. It's Sierra Sounds there in the beginning before the intro of the show. And if you get a chance, definitely check out Ron Moorhead.com. Pick up a copy of the Sierra Sounds. It's a very, very small portion of what you get with this collection. And they've always fascinated me. I figured, you know, what the hell? It's my show.

I can play whatever I want. So there's a little bit of the Sierra Sounds. and I love the Sierra sounds. They fascinate me. If you're listening in your car, like on a Bluetooth or whatever, and you get home, plug in your headphones. You can really hear the creatures in the background. And I want to give a shout out to Natalie from Canada. Apparently a year ago, I promised her a shout out, and I must have forgotten about it. I apologize, Natalie. I know it was recently your birthday. Happy late birthday. Thank you so much for listening to the show. Well, tonight we got a great show plan for you. We'll be talking to,

Bastion, who has had an encounter, a very unexpected encounter in Idaho. He'll be sharing that with us tonight. We'll go to Utah, talk to Genevieve. She ran into the largest man she's ever seen before. We'll also talk to Kurt. Kurt is from Michigan, and he's got a lot of weird things going in and around his property. His very small child had an encounter. He said he saw these four creatures running across the field, and they went out to

investigate something through something at the whole family. It's a very fascinating account. I'll let Kurt tell the story. And then we'll wrap up with Steve. I really wanted to have Steve on because Steve actually ran into a ball of light in Wisconsin. He was driving down the road. It was going the same speed he was. And it went up over his car and actually exploded. And when it exploded, it caused a lot of electrical interference with his car. It makes me wonder, was that a ball of lightning or was it something more sinister? If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

If you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Sebastian to the show. Sebastian, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me, Wes. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know you had two strange encounters in

Illinois's, but it wasn't until later in life when you're in Idaho, you actually saw one of these things. If you would, I kind of like to start in Illinois. If you would, tell me what you were doing and what happened. Okay. This was quite a few years ago. I'm 22 now. I was around 13 at the time. My dad had this house out by Staunton Lake and me and my little brother. It was during the summer so we didn't have nothing to do. Every day we walk out to the lake, we'd do some fish in, we'd walk down the spillway and walk the trails. One day we were walking the trails out past the spillway. And we walked, I'm going to say a mile, mile, mile and a half. We were a good, good distance out into the woods. And my little brother stuck to rest for a little bit, and I kept

walking and I don't know I only made me put a half a football field of distance between my little brother and myself and um I was walking through and I heard this it sounded like a branch snap like just a snap off to my right up the hill a little bit and right after I heard that snap I heard a grunt or like it was it wasn't really a growl it wasn't a grunt it was like a like a like a I go, oh, that's the best I can describe it. Like, it came from the chest, and it just rattled, rattled me to the bone. Like, it just, my heart sank, and I immediately turned around and started running. And my little brother at this point had started walking back to meet me, and I came running past him.

And he was like, why are you running? I said, run. And he was like, why? Why are we running? I said, turn around and run, just run. And we ran all the way back up to the main road. and walk back to our house. And that was the first instance.

And then about three weeks later, my brother, my brother didn't believe me when I told them why we were running after we got back to where I felt out, we were safe. I told him and he didn't believe me. Well, about three weeks went by and we went back out there

and we were doing some night fishing. And we had a lantern hanging in the tree and we were fishing off in a little cove on one side of a cove and the lantern shop would, the light shine from the lantern shine all the way across basically to the tree line. So we could see the trees on the other cove, but nothing past that. We couldn't see up in the trees.

And it was about 10, 30, 11 o'clock at night. We weren't having any luck. And so we just started playing around throwing rocks and sticks and whatever we found laying around. We're just throwing them in the water, throwing them across the other side of the cove. and we quit for about 20 minutes and we were about to start getting ready to pack up and leave and then out of nowhere we just noticed this big rock come flying out from the other

the cove on the tree line on the other side just passed where we could see from the light this big rock came flying out and landed close to us in the water and I mean this from our side to the other side of the cove had to be maybe 45 feet, 45, 50 feet. And that rock went from that tree line almost to us and hit down in the water. And both of those times I've never seen anything.

I just heard it and then had the rock thrown at us. And that's it from my Illinois experiences. Yeah, it makes you wonder, though, you're out in the middle of the night, what throws rocks? You know, if you don't believe in Bigfoot, it must be people. but it's like I told you before, man. That just doesn't make any sense that someone would throw a rock, especially at night when people are fishing. You know, someone I whip out a gun and start shooting.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And especially like, because like I told you in the email, I'm 6'5, 280 pounds. I've martial arts growing up doing football, wrestling. Like I'm a stocky guy. I have some muscle to me. There was no way I would have been able to throw that rock 10 feet,

let alone 45, 50 feet. like it was a big rock. Yeah, that's interesting. Now, you moved to Idaho and tell me about that, because this is where you actually got good look at one of these things. Yes, this is where I was actually able to see one. Like I was telling you earlier, I moved to Idaho in 2016, the year after I graduated high school.

And my girlfriend and I at the time, we were living there, and her parents, they didn't know me very, well and they had accused me of stealing something of her sisters and you know i'm not i'm not a thief if i'm going to have something i'm going to work for it and i'm not going to and it makes me mad to sit there and have somebody accused me of doing something i didn't do so i grabbed a pillow grabbed a blanket and uh hopped in our car it was a little 2001 Honda accord little four-door car and i drove up to the gas station before leaving town i bought a couple waters and a pack cigarettes because I knew I was going to, you know, trying to calm down at the time. I was,

I was basically a chain smoker. I drove out about eight to ten miles outside of town to on this road to a T and then I turned left and went down half a mile, three quarters of a mile, and then turned right onto a rock road. And then I wasn't on that rock road very long before I found the dirt road I turned off on maybe two or three minutes. I wasn't on that rock road very long, and then I found a dirt road off to the right to turn on. So I turned down that dirt road, and it took me down the side of this mountain out there.

It was just a part of a range. It wasn't nothing like a particular mountain range. It was just part of a little mountain range we had smack there in the middle of southeast Idaho. And I went down the trail, and at the bottom of the, or went down the road, the dirt road, and at the bottom of the dirt road was a big dirt circle, like a big turnaround spot.

So I went down there and down this mountain, I'll kind of try and lay it out for you. Down the side of this mountain, I came down and I was right on the right side of this mountain. And then it was maybe a half mile of a wide of a valley. And then there was another mountain range on the other side. and in the middle of this valley there was I'll call a small river or a large creek running through and I'm sitting down there

the front of my car to the bank was about six to eight feet and then from the bank to the creek was about another 10 to 15 feet but I was I was sitting there. I was there for maybe a half hour, 45 minutes.

And I was playing on my phone smoking cigarettes, trying to pass the time. I was playing Temple Run. I remember the shirt I was wearing the pants, the shoes. I remember it's burned into my head, man. I was playing Temple Run and something told me to look up from my phone and look out the windshield. I don't know. I just got this feeling in my body. to look up.

And I looked up and it had to be 15, 20 feet from me in that creek. I could see from the very top of the buttocks up to the top of the head and its back was facing me. And the arms, at first it really caught me off guard because I didn't see any arms down past the elbow, but they were kind of bowed out to the side

like it had its hands up by its mouth like it was, I don't know, eating fish or muscles or clams or something that would have been in the creek for it to eat. And I sat there and it, in all honesty, it wasn't really that long I was looking at it. I looked at it long enough and clear enough that I could see the muscle definition in its back. And it was like that of a really big bodybuilder, a really, I don't want to say like a really toned bodybuilder but like one of the bodybuilders that have like a layer of fat but you can see the muscle underneath

and it was like a blackish grayish hair the head was kind of a conical shape but it wasn't a very exaggerated cone it was kind of small more like a dome kind of and I'm sorry, man, I'm getting goosebumps. I'm trying to, I just remember the detail and the muscle in the back.

I didn't see any ears. I couldn't see any ears sticking from the side of its head. But I examined it that way for maybe 10 seconds, if that, it felt very long, but I doubt it was even that long. And something told me, flip your. headlights on. So I flipped my headlights on and the very instant I did that, it dropped out of sight. Like there was no noise. It didn't vocalize when it dropped. It just dropped out of sight. But the speed at which it disappeared, it was almost instantaneous. And it just dropped out of my site. And I kind of, and like, it took me a minute to register that it dropped out of sight. So I got close up and was looking

like with my face almost touching the windshield trying to look out and see well six to eight feet in front of my car where the bank was there were some bushes coming up there were bushes right along that bank and i was looking out in the distance and i don't know and i didn't notice it at first but then something like i noticed something moving those bushes and i kind of focused my well focused my focus to those bushes i directed my focus my focus to those bushes i directed my to the bushes. And from the bushes, I'm sorry, man, this part terrifies me. I have nightmares about it. Look, through the bushes, I've seen eyes, but I didn't see the face. I saw, like, on us, it would be, like, halfway down the nose on the bridge of the nose. I saw from like right there to right above the

right above the eyebrows. So it was just like the eye section of the face. And that's all I can see looking at me through this bushes. And the headlights were shining directly in its face. I didn't see. It surprised me that it got right in the headlights. But I didn't see any glow or glare or anything coming off the eyes. I just seen black eyes.

eyes. If you've ever seen supernatural, kind of how like their demons are portrayed to have those pure black eyes. Yeah, some people talk about the black eyed kids. And yeah, I know what you mean. It's like, I think I had one witness say it was like a shark, like a shark's eye. Yeah, yeah, like how they flip their eyes black and before they attack. The eyes were just black.

And there was very little just around. the very outline, like around the eyeball, around the edges. There was just a little bit of white. I couldn't, I don't know. In that, we were staring at each other because, like I said, my face was almost up against the windshield, and I was trying to see where it went, and then I noticed it there staring at me. And we stared at each other for what felt like minutes.

It felt like minutes, but it couldn't have been any more than three seconds. It was just long enough for me to register that he was there. He was staring at me. I was staring at him. He probably wasn't happy because I stumbled upon him. So I turned the car on really quick, threw it in reverse, and I was not graceful with the gas pedal. I put the pedal to the floor, went in reverse as fast as I could, and then took off speeding back up that dirt road up the mountain, And then part of the road had a very steep curve to it.

And when I was going around that curve, I almost slid the car off the side of the mountain. But I got up there and I didn't have any service down there. So I couldn't, if anything would have happened, or if it would have tried to attack the car or anything like that, I wouldn't have been able to do anything. I was in the middle of a valley in between two mountains. There was nothing around for miles.

and I just I can't I can't find the words to explain the fear that that that put in me that because I even seeing it there seeing it standing there I wasn't that scared I was surprised I was taken off guard I was like what is that because you know out there I was an hour and 45 minutes away from Yellowstone National Park like I know there's bears out there there's more. moose, there's elk. I have seen all those things out there. It was none of those. I've been 15 feet away from a grizzly bear, and it was not a grizzly bear. And that along,

I'll try and use that grizzly bear as a reference to size. I mean, if you've been up close to a grizzly bear, you can appreciate how big a grizzly bear is. But being 15 to 20 feet away from this, I just felt, what's the word I'm looking for? Helpless? Like, all it had to do was make a move, and I wouldn't have been able to do a thing about it. I mean, the shoulder width, from shoulder to shoulder, like I said, I'm a big guy. I'm about two and a half feet from shoulder to shoulder. I'm about two and a half feet from shoulder to shoulder,

and this was easily two to three times my width. I mean, it was wide. It was massive. And just, like I said, I could tell it was very muscular, but it was not like super cut, super toned. It was like one of the bodybuilders that still have a beer gut. Yeah. Yeah, no, I get it.

It's interesting, though. It makes me wonder if it stumbled into that creek and didn't even realize you were there until you hit your lights. And then it was like, oh, crap. You know, it's kind of, it sounds like you kind of surprised each other. I mean, do you get the feeling you were there? Do you get the feeling like it knew you were there and it just went about its business? Or do you think it was just as surprised as you were? I think it was just as surprised as I was.

I don't think it knew I was there. I mean, like I said, for about 30, 45 minutes, I was paying attention to my phone, smoking a cigarette. I wasn't paying attention to my surrounding, so he easily could have, he could have came down from somewhere and been doing his thing, not realize I was there. I didn't realize he was there until I don't know what it was. I had a gut feeling that said, look up and look up now. So I did, and I seen him standing there. What did you do that night? Did you go back to your girlfriend's parents, or did you sleep somewhere else?

I went back to my girlfriend's parents. I was terrified. I sped. If a cop, if I were to pass the cop, I probably would have went to jail because I was not going easy on that throttle. I wanted to get put as much distance away from me and it as fast as I possibly could. Yeah, I understand. Did you tell anyone about what you had seen? I had told my girlfriend's mom because,

her and I have had conversations about Bigfoot before. Like me growing up, I've always grown up with an outdoors background. And I've always believed in Bigfoot. I remember being four or five years old watching the Patty film for the first time with my dad. And like, I've always believed, but I never thought I'd ever come across it. Because I always thought that, you know, they were up in Washington, California, Oregon, you know, up in Canada, I always thought they were over there. And I had heard of, you know, reports down in Florida of the skunk ape.

But, you know, I never thought that out there in the middle of nowhere in Idaho. I mean, it kind of makes sense. It's the middle of nowhere. But I just, like, I was just, I'm going up in the mountains, but sleep for tonight. I didn't think that was the last thing in the world I would have ever thought to run into. Yeah, and they're definitely in Idaho. You know, the creature's behavior really interests me because it didn't run off. Not only did it not run off, it not only did it not run off.

It turned around and faced you, faced the car, which would make me nervous. You know, most of all the animals will run off the minute they're surprised or whatever, you know. And that's kind of why I cut, because once it dropped and I got close to the windshield, like I said, I was miles outside of town. I don't remember what phase of the moon it was, but it was fairly bright. There was no light pollution, so there was tons of stars. So I could see a good amount for it without my headlights. So I was trying, with my headlights on, I was, I got close to the windshield to try and see if I could see where it had ran off to see if I could, you know, for sure knew that it had left. And then I noticed it staring at me.

And that's what scared me. That's what, because when I seen him there, even when he was staring at me, I don't know. know, I didn't feel, I don't think he was staring at me with aggression. I don't feel like I didn't see that in his eyes. I didn't see aggression. It looked like he was just like startled like, hey, who are you? What are you doing here? You're not supposed to be here at this time. I can imagine. And generally, if you go off of your gut, generally you're right, you know, in the way you're feeling. What do you think that Sasquatches, Sebastian? What's your opinion? I've thought a lot about it.

And in my own opinion, I mean, I've been listening to your show a lot. And yesterday I listened to the episode with Les Stroud. And I really respect his opinion. That is actually a very deep thought looking to it. But me and myself, I feel like it's a lost species of mankind. We just lost him somewhere along the way. I mean, he looked, like, looking at it, it looks like an ape, like a monkey. And it looked very ape-like.

But the eyes and, like, the posture, and I don't know, like, the instinct to duck down and hide instead of instantly bolt when I turn the lights on. Like it just felt, and even looking into its eyes, I just felt like it felt like I'm looking at some form of human. Or a humanoid. Yeah, I understand what you mean. Did it affect you? I mean, did you ever, I don't know if you can't be for this or hunted,

but did you ever go out, I know you fished, did you ever go back out after dark or did it not really affect you that way? Um, to this day, um, last year I was living up in northern California, 20 miles south of the Oregon border. And, um, you know, there's forests and that's mountain country and like that. That's my go-to thing. I love hiking in the mountains. I love taking a stroll through the forest. I love nature. And, um, and that was even me before this happened. But after this happened, I will not go up in the mountains or out in the wood. I will not go. I will not go alone. I refuse to go alone and I will not go at night. Yeah, it's hard to blame me on that, man. It's really hard to blame me. It didn't really seem like the creature was really wanting to attack you,

but, you know, who really, who knows what its intentions were if you wouldn't have left the fact that I didn't leave. Yeah, and that's what really startled me is it played a test. I don't know, I feel like it played a test for ground. Like, you're not supposed to be here. This is my territory. I'm not quite mad at you, but what are you doing here? Why are you here? What are you doing sitting up there in your car? Yeah, I understand the way you fill in. It's a fascinating account.

I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share it. I really appreciate you having me come on. Like that story, I've only told three people. Now you and all your listeners, my wife, she doesn't really believe. she kind of makes fun of me every time I talk about it. And a bunch of my buddies, they don't believe. But so, you know, I just, the people I'm around besides my dad's side of the family, they don't really believe.

So I don't talk to anybody. I don't want to be ridiculed. But just having, I was just listening to your, like I said, last Friday, my dad tuned me on to your show. And Sunday morning, I started listening to it. I listened to your show for 13 hours straight that day. Like, that's all I did that day. Jeez, man.

Like, I can't get enough of it. It's relaxing. Your show is almost very therapeutic to me to be able to hear other people's stories and witnesses and accounts. And it just, I don't know. I really do not know how to describe it, but it's very therapeutic for me to be able to listen to it. Yeah, well, I appreciate the kind words, man. And thank you again for coming on. Oh, thank you for having me.

Well, I want to welcome Genevieve to the show. Genevieve, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I'm fascinated to hear this account. Now, this happened in Utah. If you would, would you just kind of start from the beginning? Tell us kind of what you were doing and what happened. Sure. So I was just kind of driving home after dropping my kids off at school. And we kind of live in a neighborhood that's backed up against the Wasatch Mountain Range. And there's state land behind us. And it just goes on for miles and miles. So it's kind of fun being the last little community against that land. And it's a nice little hilly area.

And I was just driving home and kind of taking in the scenery, always looking for animals as I'm doing that. And there happened to be about probably two dozen deer down in the field below our neighborhood. And I thought, oh, that's so fun. I love this. This is such an amazing place. And I'm always hoping to see something kind of bigger more, always on the lookout for a cougar, but we'll see if that ever happens.

And then like elk and moose I've seen up before as well. And as I was kind of scanning the mountains, I looked towards the roads that I was headed towards. I kind of looked to the left and I noticed this enormous guy standing there. And I thought, what's that hunter doing? As I saw him, I just immediately thought, hunter, he's checking out the deer in the valley because he was just like looking into the valley. And I kind of thought to myself, you know, does he have a partner down there? Is he going to like scare the deer up?

What are they doing? And why isn't he wearing any orange? Because he was just solid black. It looked like like big black puffy coat, big black hood on and just. dark and huge. And I kind of thought to myself, well, you know, don't judge. You're literally wearing a black puffy coat and black pants. So, okay. So I kind of kept driving and I lost side of them because there's curves and turns and hills and stuff like that. But I was just absolutely fascinated with what this person was doing on the hill. And I kind of got back to my

my house, pulled down the driveway, and gathered my stuff. I was going to go clean at my neighbor's house. And I was peeking through the scrub oak because all the leaves had fallen. So you can kind of see between the houses and see through the hills. There had been a lot of snow. So the hills were really white. And so it really was a stark contrast between this big, enormous guy and like kind of the white and the brushiness of the oak, scrub oak.

And I kept kind of thinking to myself like, man, I wish I had like binoculars. I wish I could get a closer look at this guy and kind of spy on him because I just couldn't put together what he was doing. So I decided, well, I'll walk up and try and get a better view at the top of the road. And so I walked up the driveway down the road a bit and I had a much better view. and I'm just kind of standing there watching I'm just thinking like oh you know I'm going to I'm going to watch the news this weekend

or you know check the news and see if anybody said that there were shots fired in our neighborhood or something because I thought this guy said to no good like what is he doing is it staring in the valley and I kind of thought to myself as I was watching like what is he and before I could really think the word doing

his shoulders like full swing lined up with me like squared up to me and it was just this bomb of energy like a line from me to him I looked over my shoulders because I was like me, are you looking at me? Because it was so, it felt so direct and so calculated like I am turning to you. And I didn't know what to do. I was really scared at that point because there was just this energy that just made my heart pound. Can I back up real quick, Genevice? Yeah.

You're driving through the woods. And so did you drive up to where he was at? So when I passed where he was at, I couldn't see because there was a big house in the way. And so I didn't see him when I drove past. Like I was craning my neck and like trying to see like what this guy was doing. But there was a house. Like the way the neighborhood is, these houses are like built up against the mountain. And it's almost like you have to carve into the mountainside to build a house.

So it's kind of kind of straight up. I got you. So you're trying to find him at this point. You're trying to. Yeah. Yeah. So I found him again at the top of the, like at the top of the road. Like I was staring at him again.

when I got to the top of the road and I was watching him and I just kind of thinking in my head all these little thoughts about what he's doing and you know what he's there for and I and the whole time I just kind of thought this is just a big this is just a hunter like what's you doing what's he doing?

You know you can't hunt right there got to get further back you know and so but we were but we I could see him directly from where I was out on the road from about Waystep the whole time I could see from Waystep where he was and he was just kind of same thing like looking like it just felt like he was looking right at me

and seeing me on the road and his really quiet community. There were no cars out, there were no people out. There was just nothing happening on the roads. And how far away from you is he? I try to figure this out because my dad wanted to know. I would say maybe about 300 yards, 400 yards. It was a distance. I got you.

It was a distance, but it was big enough that, like, there's trails cut right above our neighborhood. And you can see people walking up there. You can see dogs walking up there, you know, and you can, if it was somebody you knew, you would recognize them, you know. And I felt like if this was somebody I knew, I could, I should be able to, like, see this, like, recognize this person. but I just couldn't. Was there any details I remember besides being all black? I realized he's 300 yards away. No, and that was something that I kept thinking about.

Like, I wish I had a part of binoculars. I, you know, like if I, but I felt like if I ran into the house, I would lose them. And so I just didn't. I just kind of stayed and just watched and watched. And he just kind of kept staring in the valley the whole time until all of a sudden it felt like he just. just focused right on me. And so he's looking at you now. What happens next?

I'm feeling pretty nervous now. Like now my heart's really pumping, and I'm really feeling like this is direct at me. And I'm thinking, can he see me? Like, well, you can see him. He can see you. It works both ways. And I just think, okay, just stand your ground. Like, don't move.

Like, this was like an animal. you would just kind of, you know, get big, whatever. And so I just kind of stood there. And it felt like, felt like forever. And it was probably about a good 30 second stare. And I thought, you know, if this is a hunter and he pulls up a scope or something to look at me, I'll get out of there. But I didn't, you know, nothing like that happened obviously. But like, I just was looking at him like, don't blink, don't blink, don't.

You know, I just felt like I don't lose connection. And I don't know what was happening, but it almost looked like he was starting to crouch or bend. And it's just, it's the worst description, but it's, it was mind-boggling at the time. It almost looked like he just kind of disappeared before my eyes. And I was so shocked and so spooked. And I got really scared at that point and thought, I got to get out of here. I don't want to come track me down or find me that was, you know, I'm trying to like walk up up and down the road a little bit, see if I can get a better view, tiptoe, like on my tiptoes.

I'm just really spooked and really shocked. And I just was really glad that I was, I don't know why I took comfort in the fact that I was going to my neighbor's house to clean and not home, but I did. So this is kind of very, and just very unsettling. for the rest of the day. Yeah, I can imagine. Did he drop down or did he disappear? It felt like I disappeared.

And it just, I couldn't tell if he was going to bend or move, but it almost looked like I blinked and he was gone. That's why I don't know what, I don't have a better explanation for it. And it just sounds bizarre, but it's the best explanation I have. It just felt like I blinked and I lost him. I'm curious on his size.

A lot of times, you know, when he see a man 300 yards away, he looks tiny. Did you get that impression looking at this thing? No. Like the minute I saw him, I thought that is a huge person. And that's why, you know, I think I immediately thought Hunter in like full, like, maybe like a big puffy coat because he was just, the shoulders were just enormous. I just felt like this is a really, really big guy.

Yeah. Did you tell anyone after this encounter? No, no. I was, I, I kind of had, you know, the day picked up and I kind of got on and I didn't tell anyone until a few weeks later when I had kind of settled a little bit about it. I'd seen a video on, on the news that there was a Sasquatch siding, Bigfoot siding in Provo Canyon. And when I watched that video, I was like, that is what I saw. And I kind of, that whole feeling of like fast heartbeat, like stomach drop, everything happened again. And I felt like I was reliving the whole situation again. And I didn't tell anyone, maybe for about almost two weeks, 10 days, two weeks, something like that. And I told my husband, and he's sweet, but he doesn't, he doesn't necessarily believe in all the things. things I believe in. And he just said to me, you know, you need to tell your dad. You need to call your dad.

And so I call my dad the next day. And he said to me, this is a couple weeks after the encounter, he just said, you can't go back up in those woods again. Because I like, because we, we, I take him up there when he visits and we go hiking and the kids and I go hiking up there. And, you know, it's a beautiful place. It's great. There's a ton of people who hike and ride bikes and horses and things up there. But he was like, you know, they can get down on all fours and I'm like, I know. So my dad definitely has been a good supporter. Yeah, I hear you.

Well, what do you think that Sasquatchez, Genevieve? My personal opinion is that he is some kind of maybe more like biblical, lost soul type of a thing. but that's only part of me. Part of me can't, you know, believes that there are, you know, male and female of them out there and little ones of them out there. I don't know how it all works. So that's, I'm curious to know more, but that's kind of what I think. No, it's good.

It's a good theory. You know, be careful going out there. You know, obviously he wasn't interested in you. It might have been interested in the deer down in that valley. But you never know when you get too close. You know, he was definitely focused on you. I'd definitely be careful. And I appreciate you coming on and sharing it.

Yeah, thank you so much. It's a real pleasure. Well, next up on the show, I have Kurt. Kurt, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for being here. No problem, Wes. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know there's a lot of strange things going on in your current property,

including your son telling you about these creatures he saw. But all of this actually started back on. a property close to where he lived now. If you would, would you just kind of start there? Tell us what was going on on that property and just kind of walk us into what happened, if you would. Yeah, so we started at our old house, which was about 10 miles away from where we currently live. We moved a few years ago, but this was about six, seven years ago, 2012, 2013.

my oldest son and I were entering the woods in the morning. This was before the sun came up. We were heading to our hunting spot in the fall for deer hunting. And my son was 12, 13 years old at the time. And he had a crossbow, which is legal here in Michigan at that age even. And he sat in a tent, which was, 40, 50 yards away from my tree stand, so it was using direct view of me, and I kind of, you know, had them close to me so I could keep an eye on them and see what was going on right there. But we were

walking out, walked out the back door, walking out into the woods behind the house, and there's a pond. It's about 100 yards behind her house. There's a pond there, and we're approaching my tree stand, and just kind of walking single file. And from the other side of the pond, which was probably It's a real small pond. About 30 yards away, I guess. We heard a whooping noise. It was roughly seven, eight consecutive whoops right in a row. And it was like, I'll try and make the noise.

It was like a whoop. Whoop. It was like that. But really, really, really loud. It was kind of like, Kind of like the volume of a really loud blowhorn where they have those sirens on there, the alarm, you know, if you push it. It kind of sounded like that volume, maybe even a little louder. But just really loud.

And we just both stopped dead in our tracks, just completely froze still because we heard this noise. We had no idea what it was, completely confused. I wouldn't say we were scared, probably because we didn't know what it was. We didn't know if there's anything to be scared of. But just like 30 seconds, complete silence. The whole wood just went completely silent. It was completely dead and calm. And after about 30 seconds, I looked at my son and said,

I don't know what that was, but we might as well keep on going. So we kept on going. And, of course, thinking about it, you know, while we're out there for the whole morning hunt and come back in and, you know, walking back in, we're like, what, you know, that was a weird noise? What was that? You know, was that like, you know, a bird or an owl or something?

Didn't know. And telling my wife when we got inside, you know, hey, we heard this really loud noise and mimicking it. And she was like, oh, it was probably a coyote. And I'm like, anyone who's heard of coyote knows that they don't whoop, you know, they holler and, you know, that kind of stuff. But it definitely wasn't a coyote. I've seen coyotes. I've heard coyotes. I know what a coyote is, you know, what they sound like.

And definitely wasn't that. The only thing I thought it could have been would be some sort of bird. I know there's whooping cranes. and you know, but they kind of, it's, they don't really like whoop. You know, it made the pooh sound at the end of the whoop. You know, it's like you need lips to make that noise. So, you know, I know that now, but looking back, so that day, I spent the better part of that day, the rest of that day on YouTube looking at, you know, different bird

noises, owl noises, different animals, just trying to search what that noise was because, you know, It was really loud and really confusing to me for someone who spends a lot of time in the woods and never heard it before. I wanted to know what was making that noise. So I stumbled across a video where it said, I think what I typed into YouTube was something along the lines of animals that whoop in Michigan or whooping in Michigan, something like that. And down in the feed, I saw one that said Sasquatch or Bigfoot, I don't remember, Sasquatch or Bigfoot whooping in Michigan. And I was like, well, that's interesting. So I play the video and the exact same whooping noise, but further off in the distance, it was probably one of the researchers out there in the woods and they're recording this.

And so I call my son over, said, hey, listen to this. He goes, yep, that's exactly what we heard. So I call my wife over, go, this is the noise we heard. She goes, oh, that's interesting. I said, that's exactly what we heard is that this guy says it's a big foot. And she just laughed. Now it was probably a coyote or something. don't know what we're talking about.

So that's, that was kind of what started the whole Bigfoot Sasquatch fascination for me. You know, right there was kind of the only explanation I could come up with,

but with, with looking all over the internet and everything, trying to find the, the same noise was, you know, at the time one clown saying that it was Sasquatch. Yeah. I hear, yeah.

It happens to a lot of people, though. You know, they can't figure out where the sound comes, you know, what's making this? coyotes don't whoop you and I both know that but it is fascinating when people go and start searching for the sound they heard and then it's a reported bigfoot bigfoot sound was there more that happened on that property yeah so right around the same time we uh I had another incident um myself which was you know we did quite a bit of campfires and the backyard on you know weekend evenings with the kids just hanging out of out, you know, roasting hot dogs and marshmallows and making s'mores. And we did that one evening and we're hanging out.

And, you know, the evening was coming to a close and, you know, time to put the kids to bed. So the wife went inside to put the kids to bed. And I stayed out and finished off my drink and had to relieve myself and didn't want to go into the house and, you know, mess up bedtime and rile the kids up and, you know, that kind of thing. So I just went right to the edge of the woods and just going to use nature, do nature and nature there. So I was doing that. And right from that same pond area, something growled at me. And it was right around the same time trying to figure all that stuff out. And it was a deep guttural growl.

And the best way I could describe it would be kind of like an African lion. Um, you know, when they start to roar, they don't just roar. They kind of, they build up to it like a, you know, something like that. But it was, it was kind of like a grunning growl directed right towards me. And it was, you know, four or five of them as I was standing there. And, uh, it just kind of creeped me out. I didn't know what it was. Uh, you know, I know raccoons will snarl and, and, and, you know,

growl a little bit, but it was a lot deeper than that. You know, I've heard pissed off raccoons fighting and all that kind of stuff in the woods. And I don't think it was that. You know, again, I don't know what that was, but with the whooping noise right around the same time, and I guess my best guess would be, you know, now I think it was probably a Sasquatch staying in there by the pond again. And I approached it and, you know, was literally probably pissing in as well. water. You know, so you probably didn't like it.

So, yeah, I heard that. And I just said, that's creepy. I don't know what that is. And I, at that point, just turned right back around and went inside. So, but that's, that's what happened there at that house. And we moved out of there a couple of years after that. Now, this other property, how far away from you is that other piece of property that you moved into?

Yeah, it's about, it's about 10 miles. So, it's in. Relatively. Right in the same area. Yeah. Yeah, right in the same area. So kids still go to the same school, you know, all that kind of stuff. So we're living still in the same general area.

And tell me what happened there, because I know your son said something to you that cut your attention. Yeah, so this just happened recently just a couple months ago. The wife and I, we went out for, you know, a date night and we came back, you know, from dinner pulling the driveway. And, you know, the kids are running around the yard, which isn't abnormal. But, you know, they came running up to us as we were getting out of the car. And they were like, bad, dad, you know, TJ saw four white creatures out in the field. We're going to go investigate. We're going to look, you know, come with us.

Come with us. I'm like, what do you mean? Yeah, you saw four white creatures. I'm like, okay. You know, I didn't think much of it. So then, you know, he comes running by and go, hey, what did you see? He goes, I saw four white creatures. I was up by the, you know, he just starts rambling on,

just going into the story, basically saying, I was up by the paint can. So we have this paint can hanging from a tree by the hill, about 80 yards off my deck, which I just used as a kind of like target practice, plinking, you know, shooting at. So he's like, I was standing up by the paint can, and I looked down into the field,

and I saw four people walking through. You know, you thought it was people. He thought it was his oldest brother. I thought it was, I thought it was James. So I went down to the field at the edge of the trail, and I said, hey, James, three of them were running. And then the fourth one was walking. And it looked at, you know, basically when I yelled at it, you didn't say it looked at me.

But basically when it, when I yelled at it, it started running too. And they went up this hill over here. I was like, okay. They were white. He goes, yeah, they were. they were blank. This is how he described it. They were blank, white. Like, okay. And they were on four feet? No, they were walking on two feet. Okay, that's interesting. I said, how big were they? They're bigger than James.

Bigger than me? You know, we're about the same. How is it like maybe an inch taller me and my oldest boy? I said, well, bigger than him. Like taller than him? Yes. Bigger than him. I go, well, what about bigger than me? Well, they're bigger than James. I go, wider than me, because I'm obviously wider, being older. Well, yeah, yeah, they were huge. And they were on two feet. I'm like, seriously. He's like, yeah, they came right here, and they went right up here.

So he's showing us where they went. He said, well, how did they run? Show me how they run. Mimic how they were running. And he, like, he is kind of hard to describe, but the best way I could describe it is, if you asked a kid to run like a chimpanzee or a gorilla, you know, they'd probably like bend over at their waist a little bit, lean a little bit forward, put their arms out in front of them and, you know, kind of run funny, you know,

with their knees a little bent. And that's basically what he did. He said, they were running like this. He kind of bent over, had his arms, you know, like bent in front of them, out in front of them, and just went running. He said, I said, you know, at this point, so I'm thinking, holy crap, you saw four white, big foot walking through our field. you know, so did you see their feet? So I asked him, I said, did you see their feet?

He says, no, I couldn't see their feet. Their feet looked like they, you know, he's like their feet looked like they never touched their, left the ground like they were gliding, like when they were running. He said that they kept their feet, kind of how he described it, like, close to the ground, but made it sound like they were gliding. So we were, obviously, everyone was up in a, up in a tizzy, and we're all out there, and we're looking, and he's showing me where it went, and I'm going. looking at the ground. I'm

out there looking like hoping I'm going to find the classic 18 foot footprint that you know could take a picture of and be you know clear evidence or anything like that but you know nothing like that. A lot of deer tracks and you know there's still a lot of leaves out there on the ground

from last fall and litter and debris just from the you know natural forest land. So it didn't see anything like that. So I'm kind of following the the trail where he said they went. My wife and a couple of our other kids,

there's probably about six or seven of us out there. It was just getting dark. It was like at the twilight area. And they're out in the field and everyone's just kind of looking around. And suddenly something from the other end of the field came flying through the trees. You heard it hit a little bit of like tree branches. And then it hit that something hit. something hit the ground with a thud, with the power and the loudness of something that I can't even imagine what it was.

It just, I don't, you know, I don't even know. It sounded like to say it had to have been like four or five hundred pound object, something like that hitting the ground. Again, like the first time that we had six, seven years ago, but this was, you know, the rest of us, too. and everybody stopped. Everybody looked in that direction, and it was like complete dead, awkward silence for like 30 seconds, and everyone just froze in their tracks and looked over there. And then I finally said, that was scary.

And everyone's like, holy cow, what was that? It was just, again, I can't even describe it. It was just such a loud thud. You know, like, maybe like, I guess the best way now I'm thinking about it to describe it would be, you know how like if you got a big excavator and they take the bucket, curl it up and hit the ground with it. Yeah. It almost like to that magnitude. So, but it just something, something in my opinion was we were out there after he saw four of them going through the field. But this, you know, this is on the other end.

He saw him going that direction and on the other end, basically from where he says they were coming from. is where this got thrown from. Did you ever see what it was? Kurt, what was thrown at you? No. So like I said, this was getting dark. And then after that happened, you know, and at this point being a couple months ago,

I've listened to your shows and heard other accounts at this point in my life. So I kind of was like, the classic something getting thrown at you, guys, we got to go. So we all went inside at that point. Because I'm, you know, if he saw four of them and something just got thrown of us,

I'm not going to be out there with my family putting all our lives at risk, you know, with if these things are surrounding us, you know. So we went up to the house, and then the next day we went, we went back out, me and a bunch of the kids, and we went back out over that area, and we were walking around and looking for like a big log or a big rock or something that looked in this place or that wasn't, you know, in that area that I knew of before. and I could not find anything.

We had our land log, I think it was last spring. So there's just a lot of tree tops laying down on the ground and, you know, log pieces that they didn't take and that kind of stuff kind of scattered throughout all over anyways. So it's not the cleanest section of woods at this point because of that. But yeah, I searched long and hard. I was out there for a couple hours. She's kind of combing that whole area looking for stuff

because I wanted to explain, you know, again, what was going on. I picked up a rock that was probably a little bit bigger than a bowling alley, one that I, or bowling alley, sorry, bowling ball that I could pick up and I, you know, threw it a couple feet. That's really all I could do with it, you know, in front of my kids. And it hit the ground and it, you know, it thuds a little bit, but not even close. You know, I looked at my daughter and said, so that's a big rock. And that wasn't even close to the thud we heard.

And she was like, yeah, no, whatever. we heard was way bigger. Kind of funny, I was talking about this last night with my wife, you know, at dinner. And I kind of had a little theory about this. I almost wonder if, you know, there was one in a tree and it jumped down. I mean, when they hit the ground, I don't know what kind of force they would hit the ground with. Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking when you and I were talking the other day and then, you know, we've talked a couple times.

And I was kind of thinking the same thing. maybe one jumped out of a tree. A lot of times when people hear them come out of a tree, they'll describe that I felt the earth shake type feeling. Like I felt the thud when it hit. And especially if you're not finding rocks or anything around there, it's a good theory. I mean, it's, I mean, you know, a log being thrown or, you know,

finding, oh, that's what was sorting at us. If you didn't find it, maybe it did jump out of a tree. It's hard to say. Yeah. Yeah. So I, you know, that's, I'll run with it. Yeah. It's a different son, too.

I mean, this isn't the son that heard the whooping. This is your youngest boy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah. And this is my youngest who's eight. So, yeah. Yeah. So he had no knowledge of, you know, he was just a young baby when that those first instances were happening. And, you know, if it might, you know, too, is, I know my son.

I know he wasn't. I know he was very passionate when he was describing the story. He definitely saw, and he described him as four white creatures. He didn't say I saw Bigfoot. I just saw Sasquatch. He said I saw four white creatures. They were on two feet. And even, and to this day, you know, if someone like one of my other kids will say, you know, T.J.

remember that time you saw four bigfoot? He'll say it wasn't Bigfoot. He, like, says it wasn't Bigfoot. Just because that's his personality and he wants to be different and, you know, that kind of thing. So, yeah. But he describes them like anyone would describe a big foot. And if an eight-year-old kid like that's going to make up a story, why would you say four white ones? Yeah, you wouldn't think you go with white.

Yeah. And it's like I told you before, my favorite witnesses, honestly, are kids because they'll give you details. They'll tell you what they saw. And some of the best descriptions I've ever heard were from little kids. And for obvious reasons, I don't put them on the air. But, you know, some of the best encounters I've heard, you know, coming up to kids' windows. kids seeing them on a farm, you know, and then parents are like, hey, we talked to, we talked to my son. And I'm like, your son's not lying.

Your son or daughter's not lying. You know, they have way too many descriptions just to make it up. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, like I said, I definitely know he's not lying. He saw four white creatures going through our field, you know, whether that's Bigfoot or Sasquatch, you know, I believe it is. but, you know, like you say all the time, until it's, you know, someone shoots one that's in our garage to study, I guess we don't know for sure.

Yeah. No, it's a fascinating account. I'd definitely be careful on that property. Thank God they're running the opposite direction instead of towards your son, you know. Yeah. What do you think that Sasquatch is, Kurt? Yeah, so I, you know, my belief is it's, I think it's just a monkey. a creature created by God that's just

lives in the woods and it's a large primate that's really good at hiding and flesh and blood and really nothing more than that. That's where I'm at with it. Yeah, and I really appreciate you coming on, Kurt. If anything new happens out there, keep me updated, let me know what happens out there.

I sure will. Thanks again for coming on, Kurt. Well, next up, I want to welcome Steve to the show. Steve, thanks for coming on. Thanks, Wes. I'm a big fan. I just wanted to let you know. I've been listening to your show for a couple of years.

And I think you do a great job. I appreciate you saying that. Thank you so much. And thanks for coming on. I know we want to get to the ball of light that you ran into in Wisconsin. But before we get into that, you kind of grew up in Ohio. If you would, kind of explain to the audience what you heard. What were you doing?

And what did you hear? Well, I've grown up kind of in the Midwest, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin. And my grandparents lived in a little town called Posen up in northern Michigan. And we were up there for the summer one year, I believe it was either 78 or 79. There was, we were all just sitting around in this, you know, it's a nice cabin. It's not kind of a shack more of a home. All of a sudden, we heard this absolutely. just amazing noise.

And it sounded like the air horns that they used to use for an air raid siren. And it was across the lake. It's called sunken lake. It's about an eighth of a mile wide. And the noise was just so tremendously loud. It just, it shook the windows.

And, you know, I looked at my father and my grandfather, and I was like, what is that? And they're like, oh, you know, that's a moose. And it was really unnerving, and it just kind of shook you to your core. And, you know, you're a young kid. Oh, dad says it's a moose, it's a moose. Well, it was about 30 minutes later, give or take.

And we heard it again. And this one was on the other side. of the lake. And so it was on our side of the lake this time. And this time, it rattled the windows and, like, it just inspired terror. And I said, I said to my dad, I'm like, do we need to get the guns? Like, you know, this is, you know, hunting family. Like, do we need to get the guns of my dad? Oh, no, it's just a moose. Nothing to worry about. And we didn't really hear anything after that. So, didn't really really. think much about it until I was listening to your show one day and I heard that Ohio call. And when I did, it just, it chilled me to the bone because I was like, that's a noise I heard when I was a kid. So that inspired me to kind of get online. And man, I listened for about a week. I listened to every single noise recorded in the woods ever. I listened to, you know, moose and elk and wildcat, and nothing comes close to making that noise.

Nothing that I heard I've ever heard. And it was a one-time shot. It was a one-time event up there. But when I started looking into it, I happened to pull up a BFR website. And just a week earlier, someone had an encounter in a little town called Hillman, which is only about, seven and a half, maybe eight miles as the crow flies from where we were at. And that report was a sighting with vocalizations. Yeah, and for the audience, this is what I played.

This is the Ohio Howl. Is that what you heard? I mean, is that identical to what you heard that day? Wes, like I said, it absolutely chilled me to the bone when I heard that. Because it was identical. I mean, it had that long kind of, like it tells like an airy tyrant almost, but you could tell it wasn't, it wasn't mechanical. It was, it was biological. It was a creature that was making it.

It really is one of those sounds that, you know, it's hard to place, but as far as being an animal, I don't know that a moose actually makes a sound like that. But what's fascinating about that piece of audio is I've heard, I've heard people in Washington State say they've heard it. I've heard people in California say they've heard that exact same sound. Texas, East Coast. So we know it's a known sound. And there's nothing else that really links up to it. And it is loud. When you hear it, you're like, oh, Jesus, what is that, you know?

Wes, I was like, I was in a house. You know, like I said, it's a house in the woods. And I could not even imagine hearing that outside the house, you know. And like I said, these were far away. I mean, these weren't close, but the power that they had was just, I can't imagine anything shy of an elephant having lungs that could manage that. You're definitely right. And I'm kind of curious. So this kind of happens in Ohio, and then many years later, you run into the ball of light.

And I kind of find this fascinating because, well, I'll let you kind of start from the beginning. if you would, tell us what you were doing, and what did you see? What happened? Well, I was coming home from work. It was rather, well, it was probably about 7.30-ish. And it was, and I hate to say it, but it was on Halloween night. And that kind of plugs me because it's like, oh, it was a Halloween prank. No. But I was coming home, I was driving down I-43. I was heading south. And I was, just north of a town called Cheboygan, Wisconsin. There's a small dip in the road. Well, it's probably about half a mile,

maybe three quarters of a mile in length, this dip. And it dips down to the Pigeon River. And the Pigeon River is just a tiny little stream at the bottom of this dip. And as I'm cresting the downward area, I notice in my kind of right-hand field of view that there's this light that hasn't, that wasn't there before. And for a moment, I thought it was a street light,

but the light was, it was different. It wasn't like projecting. It was almost like there was this glow, but the light was almost kind of contained in the light. It wasn't like a spotlight shining down on anything, and it wasn't really illuminating anything. At first I thought it was a, you know, oh, they got a new street light,

but the light just looked kind of different. So it drew my attention. And as I was looking at it, I realized it was moving. And I'm doing probably about 60 miles an hour. And it was going probably about as fast as I was. So I wasn't catching up on it as quickly as I thought I should have if it was a stationary object.

And then I realized it was probably about, it was something you could easily wrap your hands around. So it was somewhere between the size of a softball and a basketball. And it was floating just above the power lines. And it was probably one to two feet above the power lines. And it was moving exactly, like exactly in line with the power lines. And as I came down, I really locked on to it. And I started to slow down a little bit. And it, it, it, had kind of a say like a whitish,

bluish glow to it. But it was bright, but the light didn't it didn't travel. Like it didn't illuminate anything. And that was the thing that was really odd about it. Because, you know, generally when you see

like a street light, you can see the illumination on the ground. And it wasn't doing anything like that. The light seemed very different, very kind of ambient and not projected. So as I was driving, I come to the point where it's kind of obscured by the roof of my car, or it's almost obscured by the roof of my car. And just the second before it, I saw it obscured, or it became obscured, I saw it shoot off on an angle in the power. Let me if the power lines actually kind of form a Y right at the at the Pigeon River.

and it followed the second one that shoots off towards Sheboygan. And if you actually go on Google Maps and you pull up Sheboygan, Wisconsin, and you look at I-43 in the Pigeon River, you can actually see the power line. You can see the power tower where it breaks off. And that's exactly where it broke off. It broke off and it started heading toward Sheboygan. Then it became obscured by the roof of my car because I was passing underneath it. and the moment that I passed underneath it, all of a sudden there was this flash of light,

and I can only assume that it exploded. And when this light flashed, it illuminated the inside of my car enough where I could tell it something had happened. And not only that, but my radio on my car went out for about, oh, I'd say 30 to 45 seconds,

just really, really intense static. And then it came back. So as I was exiting the valley, I immediately started looking in my mirrors to see if that thing was still traveling toward Sheboygan. And there was nothing there. So I can only assume that it exploded

or imploded or something like that. There was no noise. I didn't hear a noise other than the static on the radio. And just to let you know, I was actually listening to you, on the radio as a podcast at the time. Yeah. You know, I always wonder what those balls of light are.

I know sometimes people think that it's a ball of lightning, which is very, very rare. But the way it was traveling and then it kind of turned and what color was it? Kind of a bluish white glow. And it was the really weird thing about it. was that the glow was, I kind of say, brighter than a street light, but it didn't seem to give off as much light as a street light. Like I said, it just seemed to be like an ambient glow and not like a projected, like, you know, when you drive under a street light, there's a projection of light underneath it,

and you drive through it, you're like, oh, okay, and you kind of associate that much light radiating from a street light. Right, yeah. This was brighter than a street light, but it didn't give off as much light as a street light, which I kind of, it's kind of hard for me to explain that. I mean, it just, it was really kind of weird because it was like it was bright enough for you to really see very easily, and you could distinguish that the light was different from a street light because it was brighter, but yet it didn't seem to give off as much directed light. I get what you mean. The one I saw, it was more of an internal light, and it isn't like a flashlight. It isn't like a normal light. I know what you mean when it's kind of internally. What do you think it was? For me, I almost think it might be like ball lightning. I really couldn't tell you, but I got to tell you, it was really an odd thing to see. The fact that, it disappeared or exploded or ceased to exist. And then my radio went wonky.

I'm assuming it had some type of electromagnetic property to it. I mean, that would explain why the radio would kind of freak out for a minute or two. But I, and again, it was very, because it was so directed, like it literally followed the power lines. I mean, it was a straight, you know, it wasn't wobbling. It was, you know, right on target with those power lines. So I don't know if it was like ball lightning that was captured, like in the electromagnetic field of the power lines. Or if it was some type of intelligence because it moved very, you know, angularly along those lines. I couldn't tell you, Wes, but it was really kind of...

It's bizarre, isn't it? Well, the one thing that I've been listening to your show for a while, and I was thought to myself, man, if I ever saw a Bigfoot, the first thing I got to do is like, you know, don't be amazed by it. Just pick up your phone and take a picture. And or, you know, that type of thing. I'm like, just don't be in the moment, like, be that guy who gets the shot. And then I thought, man, you really got a document. If you ever see anything, man, you got to document it. So, man, when I got home, of course, I didn't take a picture like a dork.

You know, but when I got home, I was like, okay, I really got to document this so I can remember it exactly the way it happened. Yeah, and the email you sent me, it was pretty well documented. It is fascinating to see it. It makes you wonder what those things are. It was a ball of lightning or if there's something more sinister going on, but it's so hard to tell. I know you're fighting allergies, so thanks again for coming on. But let me ask you real quick, what do you think that? Sasquatchez, Steve?

Well, you know, to be honest, I really think if you look at Neanderthal or you look at, oh gosh, the big ape from Asia. Right. Jagannaphythus, yeah. Gigampathus, thank you. I really do think that it's probably those. I mean, when you look at the behaviors and it just seems very, very primate-like, very human-like. But, you know, there is some high strangeness that's associated with that. So my first inclination is to think it's some type of relicomody that is really, really good at avoiding us,

because it's had generations to know that humans are bad news. We're not the king of the forest, but when 100 people going with sticks and guns, we are the king of the forest. So I think that they've gotten to the point where they realize that as a species, just like other animals, if we end up encountering them, we're going to have problems. So I think that they're very, very intelligent animals that have a very, very strong instinct to avoid us.

Yeah, you could be right. It's hard to say what these things are. And, you know, that's why I love asking that question. You know, you'll get a million different answers. But it's fun to theorize on what they are. And with regard to the ball of light, I don't know what that is. It could have been a ball of lightning, could have been something more sinister. It's so hard to say what they are. A lot of people see them. But I find it fascinating. It exploded. it above your car. You know, Steve, I really appreciate you coming on and taking the time to share, you know, what happened to you when you're young and then with the ball of light. Thank you again. Awesome talking with you, Wes. Yeah, it was great talking with you. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatchronicles.com. Until next time, everyone. An epiphany bring the shorter. The country faster than the coronavirus and Wagering Week is your antidote.

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