Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:559 The Uninvited Guests

Episode Date: July 7, 2019

Spoke to the eyewitness and he said "I live near Washougal, Washington. I was teaching someone how to cold camp, no fire no lights. One night we ran into a group of them. They surrounded us but they were not aggressive. I had no idea what was going on that night or what these things were. They seem to watch from the treeline. We passed one going to our camp. It was dark and I remember thinking, I don't remember a tree being next to that trail. I realized it wasn't a tree. Long story short we left. I went back the next day to get all of my gear and there were tracks everywhere. I decided to follow some fresh tracks and that is when I ran into one."

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9. I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatchew. Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you tonight. We'll be talking to Jared, and Jared comes to us from Michigan. And I read Jared's email last week about this ball of light that him and his friend had run into.

It's very fascinating to hear. It makes you wonder what the ball of light is. In World War II, they used to talk about the food fighters flying over Germany. The pilots would talk about these balls of light. And it makes me wonder if it's something similar we're seeing now on the ground. And then we'll talk to Robert. Robert's actually a local guy here, not far from me in Washington State. He had a strange encounter while out camping, doing some cold camping, where he was several of these creatures were around him.

If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatchronicles.com. If you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Jared to the show. Jared, thanks for coming on. Great. Thanks for having me.

Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know I'm really interested to hear this bowl of light encounter you had in Michigan. What was this? 2015 when this happened? It was 2012. If you would, walk us into it. What were you doing? What happened?

What did you see? Yep. It was back in 2012, and it was, I'm from Michigan. It happened in southeastern Michigan in Monroe County. We lived in a pretty rural community, you know, out in the country on a farm, 80 acres. and just happened one night. My buddy came over, and we were just kind of shooting the shit pretty much and hanging out in the barn. And it was probably, I want to say it was late in May.

And it was like a warm day. But, you know, when it got towards night, you know, it's one of those dewy nights, you know, when it cools off. Yeah. And it, you know, it was probably around midnight. We were actually, we're in the barn. and he decided to head back to his house so we left the barn

and it was one of those nights that, you know, it was partially cloudy and there was the, it wasn't a full moon, so you can't really see that far, you know, you can't really see like at a full moon phase, you can really see out there. And so he walked to his

vehicle and I was walking with him to go back into the garage and the house and we were just standing there. It's just about to jump in his vehicle. And we happened to let my parents live off the road pretty way it's about 200 yards off the road and we're just he's just about to jump in and they say hey what is that we're looking and you know I grew up hunting and fishing I've been out you know outside you know all the time so you know I'm familiar with being you know on outdoors and everything and it was something caught my eye and it was like I something that we've never

seen before and I'm like huh I'm like what is that and we both point at it and it's about 200 yards to and it was literally about six feet off the ground on the road, I would say. But at this point, we were trying to figure out what it was. I'm like, what is that? A lightning bug? And he's like, I don't know. And I'm like, at that, we, you know, we're both thinking, well, there's no lightning bugs out yet, you know, in late May.

So we're like, huh. And I'm like, I don't know, is it like a pair of eyes? But then we're like, there's no light, you know, we're not shining a flashlight to have, you know, animal eyes reflect. And so we're just both looking at it. I'm like, wonder if it's someone with a flashlight, like someone running or someone walking down the road. So we're just debating that. And it probably, we discussed this.

It probably was within, you know, a minute or two. So we saw it out at a distance for that length of time. And as soon as that, he was just, you know, that was that. And we're just kind of intrigued by it. I tell you what, this is when it really, we were just like, what the heck? is just happening because that it just literally moved within i would say a second it traveled 200 yards up to us and if we weren't paying attention it traveled so fast that if you would have blinked you wouldn't you wouldn't even a saw it move and we're so it it came right up and we were both looking at it

discussing it. So we both had her eyes on it. So we clearly, you know, within a second, it was like a blur came right up. And that's when it got weird. So we're standing there, and this ball of light is about 11 yards, so about 35 feet from us, just to give a picture or range. I'd refer to the listeners. And it's about 11 yards and it's right off to us, and it's floating. It's about three and a half to four feet off the ground. And me and him went from just kind of oh hey what's that we were both silent it was bizarre like we were standing there almost like at awe in like i you know a trance but just like if you've never seen something like that before you're just caught off guard you know what i'm saying yeah

and so we're standing there and we didn't even say anything to each other we're just both witnessing at this and it happened that question quick that I didn't feel, you know, I didn't feel scared. I didn't feel nervous. We were just caught off guard at that point. And so we're standing there and this to describe the light was something I've never witnessed before. It was, and that's why we're just caught off guard and just staring at it. It was, and that's when I decided to like call you because Steve's encountered the way he described the light from the previous episode. It was the same. I know he definitely had to see the same thing that we did. And that's when it really gave me chills and I'm like, I got to, I got to contact you and tell you my encounter. And it was to describe it, it was about the in between from a grapefruit, like softball size to like in between that and a basketball. So it wasn't as big as a basketball, but in between that. And it almost seemed like it got bigger when it was closer to us.

So when we were watching it at the road, it looked like, you know, I would say the size of a golf ball, like that size, you know. So it almost feel like it got bigger. It was definitely bigger when it was that close. And it was so vivid, bright, but it was so bizarre because you could not see it. This light did not admit any light. So it's on a dark, you know, that dark night. you couldn't see anything around it. I mean, it was just so bright that you could stare at it and you couldn't,

you didn't need sunglasses, like it wasn't burning our eyes, but it was just unbelievable that it could be that bright, but anything around it was pitch black. So that's what really threw us off guard. And like the closest thing that I can like relate it to for someone to like almost just kind of get an idea what we were witnessing was, have you ever like drove down the highway or down the highway or down. the road and you ever see anybody with like the aftermarket h the headlights that are like super white

and blue they're super like blue you know blue and they just yeah they almost like shouldn't even be street legal that type of aftermarket headlight that's like the color of it so and it it did not make any sound or anything it's completely silent but after you know that with it being that it was probably, you know, 30, 35 to 40 seconds before we actually started talking to each other after we just were locking eyes with this light orb. And after 35, 40 seconds, we both look at each other and almost like, I'm so glad my buddy Alex was there because I would question my sanity if it wasn't for him. And so we both look to each other like, I don't know. And we're kind of whispering because like I felt the urge to whisper. It was just weird.

Like I didn't know what we're dealing with. And so being so bright, but you can't see anything around it was almost the scariest part. It just, I wanted to get a better look. I mean, you can't really get a better look than literally touching it because it's so close to us. But I'm like, he had a spotlight in his car. So, and he was only, we were only like 10 feet from his car. And so I'm like, grab your spotlight. So he walks, and we both walk to, like, the door, open his door, and he grabs one of those old spotlights, you know, that has the wire that you plug into your cigarette lighter.

Yeah. But it's bright. It's not like LED or anything, but it's bright. It's made to spotlight fields and stuff. He gets that out and plugs it in, and we're still watching this. And it's just hovering the same distance off the ground, but kind of, it kind of was in the same. vicinity of our where our yard begins in our driveway, but there's a bunch of

pine trees. So it's just kind of floating there. And it looks like a supercharged gas or, you know, like something super bright. So I'm like, we've got to get a better look at it. So he plugs it in, and he grabs the, slowly

grabs the spotlight out of the vehicle with the cord plugged in the cigarette lighter. And as soon as he tips that up, and pulls a trigger on it to look at it, it literally does not move. It just, it almost like it didn't, it disappeared it. Like, I don't know what we, I don't even know what you would call it. Like implode it like dissipated, I guess you could say.

But it didn't even move. Like it didn't, unless it moved so fast that our eyes can't witness, you know, like light speed, you know, or ice can't see that. But it just dissipated. And so after that, that's when we actually started like feeling. the nervousness. Like, we both were like, what do we do at that point? You know, I mean, what would you do? Yeah, what do you do? And it's such a bizarre thing to see. I've seen them, and you're right, it's a real brilliant, it's a pretty light to look at it. It's not like,

you know, it's a real pretty soft light, but they're bright, at least the one that I saw was bright. And it's bizarre. It's really bizarre. I don't know what they are. What's your gut tell you is for it. So there's, you know, I had, what, there's been 2012, so I've had some time to think about it. And, you know, there's two theories that, you know, the most realistic thing that I could come up with is, okay, one is that it's some type of life form other than what human beings know of, either from this planet or not this planet, you know, something with intelligence. because or the other case would be something natural, you know, natural phenomenon of weather related. I don't know if you've mentioned and people have brought up ball lightning.

Have you, if you've mentioned that in your past episodes? I have, yeah. Yeah. And so we're kind of throwing the idea around like ball, like trying to be most realistic about it, like ball lightning, you know, ball lightning just and that. But when he, after that disappeared,

it really, we both were actually. like we felt like almost like we were being checked out, you know, like it felt like, it felt whatever that light form was, it felt like me and him both felt like we were being observed. Like it was not like that rain, like if it was like a natural ball lightning, you would say, that ball could have had 360, it could have went wherever. And what Steve was saying in the last show is it was directly following the power lines. like with a purpose, you know. And that's what this ball of light felt like.

Like it literally could have went anywhere and it was on the road, you know, 200 yards away and we're discussing it, pointing our fingers like, oh, what is that, you know? And it felt like it literally came right up to, you know what I mean? It came right up to us. So it could have went anywhere, but it chose to come to us. So why is it being drawn to us? If it was something natural, the only thing I can think of is, you know,

supposedly, you know, magnetic, electric magnetivity, you know, I don't know how much our human bodies give off that, you know? I mean, I know power lines would, but what do you think? Do you think we give off that? And that I have no idea. Yeah, I'm sure we do to some extent. You know, the thing with the ball of lightning, I don't know that these things are a ball of lightning. I'm sure you can explain some of them way as ball of lightning. Ball of lightning is pretty rare really. And they don't come to you like what you're describing. I don't know if you've ever, and this has been going on for a long time. In World War II, the fighters over Germany, the pilots would talk about, they called them foo fighters. I know for a lot of people listening, it's not a

band. That's what they called them was foo fighters. And there were balls of light that would follow the planes around. And if you read a lot of accounts from World War II and a lot of those pilots, they'll say that they were intelligently controlled. They thought it was a weapon the Nazis were using. Okay. And I think, I mean, if you were just asked my opinion, I don't really know, but I tend to think they're more of like a ghost or a spirit. That's the only thing I can come up with. And that's just, I'm just throwing it out.

Yeah. And the only, like, I'm the only reason why I don't think it's something like that, because I've had, you know, unexplainable things happen in parents' house before and their houses you know it's a fairly new house and I'm not saying that has anything to do with it but like I've had stuff we like heard voices before stuff like that in the past and like spiritual you know like almost like like you said go you know that type of stuff but I didn't feel like that for me like it didn't feel like a trapped entity like anything like that it literally it felt to me like almost like it was intelligent it was like it was almost something that we, I don't know,

something more, something that we don't know, you know, us human beings have no idea about. And the amount, the impressive thing was obviously the color and how bright it was, but the way that it could move. I mean, I've never witnessed anything that could move that fast

with, you know, and silent. That was like the weirdest thing. And you think if it was giving off noise, I mean, us being like 11 yards away from, that we would have heard if it did, you know, did put off any type of sound. But the weird thing was, is after we had dissipated and we hung out for a little, we actually went back in the garage and we're like, I don't know, man.

I don't know what. And so we were just, and find, you know, after a while, he's like, I'm like, I don't see it anymore. Like, I don't think it's coming back. So he left. And I was like, well, you know, guys would never say this. But, you know, when he left, he was like, well, what he was. like, well, why don't you just text me when you get home? Like, we're both thinking that in the back of her head. Like, shit, I don't know if this thing's going to follow him, you know? And he said the whole way home,

and we live out in the country taking back roads, you know, it's like he was totally looking in his rear view mirror the whole time looking to see if something's following them. But it never did. And I, every time I would go, you know, for months, I'd park my truck, parks out there. I would go to walk to my truck and that would be in the back of my head every time getting out of the truck at night or going that with that that ball of light. But I actually went out there the next out at the edge of the yard by the pine tree the next day to see, you know, if anything sense like that light dissipated anything to see if I could see charing or burning on the pine tree or anything. And there was like there was nothing. There's no sign of any disturbance even like where it was hovering because it was like somewhat tall. It was right on the edge of the yard and where, like, the trees and overgrown grass was.

So, like, even the grass wasn't disturbed or anything. So that was, it was just so bizarre. But it just, to me, if it was something natural occurring, it just, it just don't, natural weather occurring. It just doesn't feel like it would have floated and hovered right there, kind of checking us out. I mean, you know, who knows if we went out, you know, who knows if we wouldn't went and tried to touch. it, you know, that didn't even go through ahead. You know, after the hindsight's easy, after the fact we're just kind of debating about it. But, you know, it might not even let you got any closer.

It was kind of like, it felt like for us, like it made that distance from the road, came all the way up to us. We walked a little closer when we went to get in the vehicle to grab the spotlight, but we didn't. That was about, you know, that was about the closest we got. And as soon as we shine the light on it, because it was like, well, what if we could see a round orb, like, with a spot. light, it was like instantaneously like dissipated. So that's another odd thing. It's just unexplainable. But like the way Steve described it, the same colors, the light have admitting no light, that that's the same exact thing we saw. Yeah, it makes you wonder what it is because, you know, and it could be, you know, who knows, it could be spirits. I know in the UFO world,

they say they're drones. Yeah. No one really knows. The Native Americans will tell you, don't follow the lights because they'll lead you to your death in the forest. Yeah. So it's been something that's been going on for a long time. I really don't know what they are. It's, uh, you have to let me know if you ever see the lights again out there, will you? Yeah, I definitely will. And I, after, to tell you truth, I was never interested in any of that, you know, any of that stuff.

Never, never really thought until this happened, that encounter. Then it really, it really kind of brought my interest. Like, you know, there's it really. stuff out here more than what what you know we know today for sure yeah no i couldn't agree more and i appreciate you coming on and sharing it yeah yeah i just figured i had to give you and hopefully uh steve's listening and he can uh that's one thing cool you know that i was listening to your show and like you definitely have something special there you know like you know i can tell definitely with you know the people you know your listeners calling in these are you know genuine people

telling real encounters and just like when I was listening to that it was just like no BS like I know he's I know exactly saw the same thing there was no doubt in my mind yeah it's fascinating and like I said I mean they could be spirits a lot of people

in like they'll show pictures or videos of like a haunted house and there's orbs flying around and people will say well was it like that and I'm like wasn't even close not even in the same ballpark Yeah, and that's the only reason why I really tend to, even Alex and myself, tend to steer away maybe thinking it wasn't spirits is just the same thing what you said. There is no comparison in the brightness, in the color, and even the size of the orb and with the movement.

I mean, it just seemed totally different. That's the only reason I tend to think it's something different than spirits or a combination of things. who knows, but definitely something different than just an orb you see, like, you know, in a house that has, you know, things going on. Yeah, no doubt. Well, thank you again, Jared. I appreciate you coming on, man. I'm sharing what happened to you. Yeah.

No problem. Thanks for having me. Next up on the show, I want to welcome. Robert. Robert, thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me on. Yeah, and I know that you're nervous, Robert. there's no reason to be nervous. I really appreciate you being here. And I know you had a really

fascinating encounter recently, when I say recently, I mean back in the 90s. But all of this started when you're a kid in Washington State. If you would kind of take us back to when you were a kid and walk us into what happened. What did you see and what did you experience? First evidence that I had that we hominid, for lack of a better term species living in our woods, was in 1980. after we snow plows couldn't even run up here anymore. We had a neighbor with what looked like out of the woods about halfway between us and the nearest neighbor and then walked right back into the woods again

and continued on off into the woods, which had us kind of wondering what really nothing we could do. We ended up just kind of ignoring that. And then I was aware of field and we'd hear mountain lions and bobcats and coyotes and everything that i ended up hearing that it literally you could tell what direction it was and i still didn't know what it was or have any clues until like that sounds very similar to what i heard so at that point i'm starting to maybe these things really are real maybe they're not something that my aunt just tries to scare us

with when we're driving through the woods but um i hadn't actually actually seen anything yet just these little weird things of screaming and the footprint of mine's kid and we're to get noticed so we didn't have flashlights with the trees with a white t-shirt on top so that I could spot it through the trees to find the tent at night we'd been over to start getting into how to walk very silently and we came in and as we came I saw something silhouetted against the, and though it definitely had shoulders of what appears a human type shape, it's like nine feet tall ability that that was what it was. So I just told myself, oh, that's a stump.

I knew there was no stump there, but that's what made me feel better was to say camp was. He didn't on the way into camp, the tent, and climbed inside. I started hearing this grunt. And at that point, and we did have some food with us. And we had, why do you say, well, if this thing's going to attack us, I don't want it to be in the pitch black inside this tent where I can't tell what I'm even. So that if it charged us, at least we'd be able to see it. And we took the food and the guns with us and we're sitting there for a certain amount of time.

Everything, we start hearing, separate right there next to where I was walking. maybe two feet away. And I was thinking, we ended up passing that one going in and out. But it just didn't move. They stood perfectly still. The only noise was from this little one that was basically squatted down breaking sticks.

Like it didn't realize this was yet, half a dozen of them itself. And with the idea, I think it's coyotes. Well, never mind the fact that the grunting and the snapping sticks, you can see about that. gunshot, they generally scatter. At this point, I'm kind of getting a little suspicious, so I don't want to actually shoot. I pulled out a revolver and I shot it into the ground about, so I knew where the bullet was

going into the ground and not into the forest at all. It was in that, started walking. At that point, my friend says, I think these are your friends. I think these are your friends. I think your friends are messing with us. Well, I knew my friends didn't have very good night vision and wouldn't be able to boot through the forest like that. The only reason I was even able to find the tent

was because of that white D-shirt on it. And these things are walking around calmly through the forest where anybody would have been walking into trees without something. You think these are two-legged? And he said, yeah, I think or I hope I didn't make them mad. Because at this point, I'm cluing in on what this. I think I know what this might be.

You need to get out of here. If it's not physically attacking you, don't shoot. and I said, do you understand? He says, yes, I understand. Okay, so I handed over the two handguns, and I took the rifle, and I was walking backwards with the rifle pointing back, and he was walking in the direction we were going. We were back to back, moving out.

And as we got to off of the other road, I hear this disruption up, and here's this, oh, maybe 10 look up. You know, never mind the fact that there's no other trees moving, just this one. I'm still kind of, you know, rejecting everything. Once I get telling myself whatever it took to keep me calm. And my friend turned around and he looked at me and his eyes were the size of saucers. He said the wind don't jump.

Did something jump out of the tree? Something jumped from the road into the tree. About 20 feet up. I gotcha. It was standing flat-footed on the ground next to the road. It jumped clear up about 20 feet up into the tree. and was hanging on to the trunk. Tree was swaying with the impact of this.

It would be huge. Didn't we around but looking around? And I noticed that stump wasn't there. I get a little baffled as well. Like at this point, my denial was kind of fading away. So the idea of this non-existent, the kid that I was with, he says, well, you said, you think you know what these were? Sasquatch.

He says, you mean big pieces on these woods? I figured we could just grab a flashlight and go back and find out. And he never did. And it was a spawning to collect. I had to go alone. And when I got there, I could see this another, collected up all the gear, and I brought it. They had done a kind of cursory looking at the kid left. I went, so I decided to go back and act. And I saw at that point tracks a little more. There was some that I'd missed the first time because they were so big that without having to be a track. And I noticed that these tracks, I didn't get more. more than another set of tracks, big tracks, but this time the tracks that had passed close to it were deer tracks.

And in Drag Marks, it could have reached out and killed us because we were every bit as close to it as that deer had been. But I continued down the trail following it, not expecting to run into anything because, you know, it had been any time to leave. Tracks had led into... Yeah. I knew that there hadn't been, and besides the tracks... At that point, myself walking backwards, this time with nobody looking where I'm going, I walked backwards for about 20 feet. And I didn't go tracking them again after that.

I didn't really want to try to hunt them and stuff, and they had their chance. I could have killed. You wouldn't believe what I saw last week or a few days ago or whatever, depending on how much time. One said he saw one standing alongside the road when he was driving home. from where I'd run into him. Another one told me that he first, it was the only tree move.

I'd say, well, try me. And then they... Yeah, bad. Why would you believe me? Well, I couldn't that, but ignored it. Until I was just, I walked back on the road and around into this valley, I'd just finished building an M4.

I wanted to function fire it. Test, didn't think anything out of it. You know, it went home. And the next time I went back out to that same valley, there was one of these pyramid things was built. And at that point, I caught outside, you know, it was towers. I know these things have probably been watching me for most of my life. Because like I said, there's all these years of various spaced out, like literally at such

close range. I couldn't even tell where it was coming. So I said, okay, they're telling me not to go back there. So that told me that that's probably where they were staying. Did you ever encounter them again? Did you ever come across them again? I did one other taking a walk with something dark, like something that had to be in landed on it. But also stayed silent because it's usually been a softwatch.

So there again, the behavior didn't seem like, like I said, we had a bear that lived in the field with our horses. I'm standing there with my hand on the butt of the gun, my other hand on the dog's leash, just staring in that direction. It's like, okay, you're move. You decide. And when nothing happened, I just kind of slowly got out of there with the dog. Spotted this cave. And you don't want to fire those towards rocks anyway.

So there again, I decided that it was. Yeah, so far, that's what it was. Beer didn't seem normal for any other animal. Ruled out anything smaller than a bear. Yeah. Almost sounded like a horse fell out of a tree, you know, but they don't do that. Yeah, I hear you. Well, you know, that whole area, Robert,

there has been known for encounters. I mean, for many years. It was even back, I think it was in the 80s when that one swam across the Columbia River and got on, for the audience listening, it's right on the border of Washington, Oregon. Columbia River separates the area. I think it was a little bit farther east and where you're at, but it went across the river and this old woman used to always say they go across the river. They swim across the river and thought she was crazy. And then on the other, on the Oregon side, um, There was one that popped up and tried to get across Highway 84. And it's a famous case, but it makes me wonder why they're, you know, if it's easy.

And the Columbia River right there isn't. It'd take a lot for me to swim across it, but I think for one of these things, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. What do you think was going on that night when you guys were, you're setting up camp? Do you think they were just curious on what you guys were doing? Or did you feel like anything bad was going to happen? or what was your impression of that night? I think they were just basically migrating trying to find a place to live.

And they just, like I said, we weren't in when we got there. But I had, walking, surprised if we were too close to him for them to make any noise or anything without alerting us to the fact they were there.

Yeah, their first thing that they did was literally free. They looked like anything, but something that was alive until we spent and we started realizing that there was I love your attitude

aggressive there actually one of the oldest area was an Indian legend about she got lost and she ended up wandering with them

on their entire migration route from Washugel clear out and I think she was like nine or something when she disappeared and walking back out of the forest

by herself telling them yeah that's fascinating there's been them in this I think they probably had seen me enough, even though I was always armed, they probably had seen me enough to know that I wasn't out there looking to harm them or anything. I also had one, I was back at the same location sitting on a log talking, and I saw something move through the moon. And at the time, I had this Russian night vision scope.

I had no batteries, no cabat. I'm using the night vision scope, and it's just using it's on. is that it was rather clear that it could see me be better than I could see. He didn't tell my brother about it. The thing he did was spun around and fire at it with a BB gun. And this time he was carrying a shotgun, so I decided to myself, because I really don't want to have a word with these things. I know we can't.

So I just sat there and stared at it for quite a while until my brother got bonus from that tree. I didn't even want him to go do something dumb. Yeah, I understand. Yeah, I love your attitude. Don't ever change Robert. Robert, there is, you know, not every report is going to be aggressive. I can agree with that. There is aggressive reports, though. There is reports where there isn't a friendly encounter. And I think, you know, a lot of times when you have an encounter like what you had,

I'm not talking about you, Robert, but other people who have that type of encounter, I think, get too comfortable. And I think when they go out there, I mean, you realize it because you didn't open fire, he kept a cool head about yourself. A lot of people don't. And when things start to go bad, they start shooting. And the reaction of that one, when you fired into the ground, it kind of walked back and then turned around, started walking back towards you. Did you feel like that was aggressive, or did you feel like, I mean, what was your impression of him coming towards you after you fired? And it's like, no, you don't intimidate me. It didn't walk back towards me and went back to where it had started.

I know that that I remember and they were holed up and it's made out of rock and stuff an old cabin out in the woods and after they shot and they were getting bombed. I knew better than to shoot at one

unless they were like I said literally attacking me because at that point you know. Yeah, you're right. Are you talking about ape canyon? The ape canyon story up in Mount St. Helens? It sounds like it. Yeah.

Yeah. Forgotten what they call. Yeah, I think you ever... They definitely gave me the impression that these were not something that you wanted to. That one that you mentioned the other day when I first... ...and one of the reasons why I had a little hiking, spotted something looking through the trees, got up there, they had been used for that because it was barbed wire,

make kind of a net. And he tried to recruit me to help him, and I looked at him and I looked at him and I said, no, you don't want to do that. That's just not that important to... And I don't know. I haven't really talked to him about it since. I don't know whether he might have tried it. And if he did try it, he might be the reason why it's mad.

Yeah, and for the audience, it's this gray one that gets reported in this area where Robert and I live all the time. I've probably heard the same one reported just directly to me. I'm sure it's been reported to other people, but it's probably been reported to me a dozen times. and it's around kind of where you're at, Robert, you know, near the Columbia River, and then if you go north, kind of the Silver Star area, like what you're talking about. It's this gray one. And the reason why he keeps coming up is he has a scar going from his chest down to his stomach, almost like a sword scar.

And everyone always mentions a scar. And he's aggressive. He hasn't hurt anyone yet, but everyone that's coming in context, with him, said he'll bluff charge you, he'll throw stuff at you, he'll roar at you. I mean, he'll come after you if you don't leave an area where he's at. And he's this big tall. Everyone says he's gray, kind of a light, kind of a light gray color, gray skin, and he's got this big scar going down. He's, you know, has hair missing and everything. And it's bizarre. And a lot of times when people contact me about him, they'll say, yeah, I ran into a gray one, and I'll ask, did it have a

scar on his chest and there's always a long pause and they're like how did you know and it's because he's been reported and he does a circular motion the way he travels through this area um certain times of the year people see him in different areas but it's from about where you're at and if you head north and kind of uh i don't know it's northwest like you're going towards silver star you're heading towards mount st helen jackal area but anyway in that area people are run into him at different times of the year. And I think it's fascinating because he has a scar, and everyone always mentions the scar. It's bizarre. You know, we live in a cool area, Robert. I mean, here in Washington State, you go down to Texas, East Coast. A lot of people don't talk about it.

But, I mean, you're out there. That Bigfoot bar is out where you're at. And they have the big mural on the wall of the ape canyon attack. And so it's... I assume you heard the story about how it got its name. of the ape canyon story no the the big foot ball name no there was a guy

that had um he got himself a rifle he was gonna go deer hunt and embrace this lifestyle and um he bought himself a brand new 30 30 from what he gets to the when he stood on himself

faced rum and coke somebody to drive him or something he never came back really i didn't know that story the way the story has been told to me it's the local so I don't know how much in belmont. Yeah and I know for the audience. The mural actually shows a whole family of them. It does.

It does. It was the ape canyon. Yeah, it's the ape canyon. The situation that they were depicting though. Yeah. On that mural, there's a bunch of them and you see Mount St. Helens kind of in the background and they're throwing rocks at the cabin. And for the audience listening, they probably don't care unless they live in Washington State.

But it's a cool bar. You go in there in that mural. So I've tried to buy that mural and they will not part with it. I even threw out a ridiculous number that money I didn't have, and they still looked at me and said, no. And it's a cool mural, but I didn't know the story behind that thing. And it is, it's a cool bar. I mean, it's a dive bar, but it's a cool bar to go into. But we have kind of a rich culture here in Washington State. What do you think, Sasquatch is? Robert, I'm curious to know what you think that they are.

Well, in opinion, which obviously the ones I ran in, Russians, I guess, experience with them. I am, and that, I think that they am a Bible believer, but if you read Genesis, you'll one and Genesis two, and man is created, and then he creates two separate ones. And it also goes a long ways to explain how they're kids, wives, and of course, the record, there's multiple from the human tree, the second Genesis, the Adam and Eve. I don't think they're descended from Adam and Eve, but I think whether that be... Yeah, I hear you. So you think they're more human? When you say Goliath, I assume you mean more human-like. So it would have been, who weren't evil.

So I don't blame him. I'd get pretty aggressive, too. If you come into my house and you hurt my kid, I'm coming after you do, and so the rest of my family. So I totally kind of understand where they're coming from. I'm also of mixed Native American and white blood, so they're really intimidated by the... Yeah, I understand. I realize it's been about 25 years or so.

Have you ever thought about... And I realize this area has been built up a lot. But have you ever thought about going back and going, gosh, if I could just see him one more time? The only thing that keeps me out of that area at this point is a no trespassing sign. Like you said, there's coming in from the opposite side or trying to figure out another way into there. For quite a while, I even considered the idea of trying to get a movie camera or something. And just going out and trying to just sit in the woods and see it came to the conclusion that if I could, absolute really nothing

protects Schemania County. Over here, it's kind of a total gray area, and I would really be worried about some of the more radical trophy hunters or whatever trying to go after them. And like I said, I really don't want them to get hurt. And that's one of the reasons why you're the only

Bigfoot investigator that I've ever talked after listening to your podcast for quite a while. I get not wanting to go out and try to kill one or whatever. for that. Well, yeah. And I like, loves the TV shows where they're chasing them all over the woods and everything with gun and it's just like ridiculous. Yeah.

And I mean, I think the only way you're really going to prove one is by killing one. But I think, I kind of take the Grover Krantz approach of Grover Krantz, he said that one should be shot. And his point was this, if you shoot one, he saved the rest of species. If one gets

proven, then he saved the rest of them. And that was kind of, he was kind of like a one shot and you're done type thing. I think going out and just slaughtering them to slaughter them. My opinion has changed, you know, because my encounter wasn't like your encounter. And for a long time, my opinion was kill them all, let God figure it out. But I've changed over the years because you hear encounters like yours, Robert, or you hear other encounters to where maybe they're not quite the monster that I thought they were.

I think that they absolutely can be, but that doesn't mean, and it's weird. And for the audience, what Robert's talking about was in Skamania County here in Washington State, it's a $10,000 fine and five years in prison if you kill a Sasquatch. But according to the government, Sasquatch doesn't exist. Figure that one out for me. You know what I mean? It makes no sense. Yeah. According to the government, a lot of things don't exist.

And a lot of times things are later revealed that they did know about them. Actually killed two of them. but when they were dressing them out and then the knot and since now that's just i've never bothered to try to find any actual evidence of it i've also heard of run into them to the mount say how it's entirely possible happen is you're gonna yeah but let me ask you i mean really in your heart do you believe that if saskatch were to come out tomorrow everyone with a rifle would head out to the woods i mean do you really believe that they would do that i've been a hunter of my entire life i've been and shot as many as he possibly could the first day before he got got.

So it only takes really one to cause the damage, and, you know, if they wound one, or even if they kill one, and there are survivors, then that's just going to piss off the rest of them. You're going to end up with having aggressive ones and attacks, and so it only knows how many them might have been. And so they're probably still aggressive, and that's one of the reasons why I believe that they're more human than anything else is I think they actually have. an oral history. Why the ones that have had peaceful interactions tend to remain peaceful until they have

an excuse to do otherwise. And the ones that have had violent interactions tend to be violent until they have an excuse to do something else, which they probably never will. If there are more people, though, I mean, you come across bad people, you come across good people, too. I don't believe that there are people, but let's just assume that they are. You know, you're going to get good and bad people. And I just have a, and maybe I'll disagree with you on that rubber, I have a hard time believing most hunters that I know, I'll say 99% of hunters I know,

they have a thing about them to where they don't just shoot it at anything. I mean, most hunters I've come across are pretty, I'm trying to think of ethical is the word I'm looking for. They're pretty ethical people. And, you know, you get one idiot out there that goes and decides he's going to go hang one on his wall. He might be writing his own, death warrant going out and doing something like that. He's going to find out real quick.

That gun's not going to... I mean, look at the ape canyon story. You know, those guys would have been outside that cabin. Every one of them would have been dead. Exactly. That would be, you know, the most likely result. The outlier, like that would be really easy to do. Easy to get that. Well, yeah. They don't just run alone. They are actually... They seem to be, and I agree with you on that. They definitely seem to be.

And I, you know, I'm glad that. night that you went out, especially when you were trying to teach this young guy, here's kind of how you walked out of through the forest, here's kind of, here's a cold camp, here's that you kept your head about you because that situation could have gone bad pretty quick. Oh, yeah. You know, and you fired into. If I fired in, that's also why I told him not to shoot anything unless it was physically

attacking him, which I've pretty much adopted unless I'm actually, you know, if I'm deer hunting and I see it, the area, I'm going to shoot the. Deer, if I run into predator, held two bear a gun. Charge me, I'm going to fire. Done the same thing with mountain lions. Because I wasn't actually hunting them. They weren't what I... I figure if there's no reason to harm that.

And I just basically... No, I agree with you on that. I agree with you. I mean, I think that's a right attitude to have. And, you know, with Sasquatch, like I said, things can change on a dime. You know, one can make a mistake and really come in and, you know, and humans can make a mistake, too, in that situation and ignite the fire. and thank God that night went relatively smooth. I mean, you guys left.

And even when he went back, you know, in seeing that one sleeping, I find that fascinating. I ran into a guy in Texas who told me a similar story. He was, he crossed, I know exactly where he was at, and I've talked about it before. And he said it was in the middle of these ferns just sleeping, kind of out in the open, but not really in the open. And it was just sleeping on the ground.

And because at that time, I assumed that they went to caves or went to higher elevation. And when he kind of showed me the area of where it happened, I was surprised. Yeah, I expected that I would see them in the place that I did because I used to have this theory when I was a kid. I'd always heard and saw any evidence of them was on one particular side of the, I'd always get a headache from the. I thought, you know, if I live around electricity and this has bothered me this much, something that lives in the woods is probably going to be bothered even worse and not.

mother. So that was another reason for my denial at first, kind of went against my theory. But after that, I put some time into doing a little bit of research, and I found out that the power lines on the other side had been shut down for maintenance, and therefore they weren't active for a while. So I don't know if they crossed under them at that point, and basically kind of got stuck between them until they were willing to deal with it or have a reason to leave. but every time that I've run into them since, they've been in between the two. Yeah, that's interesting.

That's really interesting. Well, if you ever go back to that area, let me know, Robert. I'd love to hear any updates. I realize it's been like 25 years, but they're probably still in that area, that family group. Yeah, I think so, because there is a large area

right in there that's solved where there's no houses or anything. It's just, I can't convince my wife to go into the woods with me at all. all because she's kind of of your opinion of your previous opinion that you know these are monsters and she doesn't want anything to do with it. The last time I

was even close to that area I was with my son who was only two. I had riding down the new road that oh, where I'd seen the one sleeping but at that time it was forest. Now it's chances are at some point

I love spending time in the woods alone or not. It doesn't bother me. So at some point I'm sure from somewhere else again. I think that they've gotten to the point where they're really not afraid of me either. I think one of us wants to hurt the other, so not really difficult to get close to them anymore. Or whatever, when I get too close, so they'll drop out of a tree or... I mean, I may end up running face-to-face with one at some point.

Yeah, well, be careful if you do, and I really appreciate your time, and thanks for coming on the show, Robert. Thank you. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatchronicles.com. If you get a chance, check out Sasquatchronicles.com. Become a member, get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.

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