Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:56 Sasquatch looking in the window

Episode Date: October 23, 2014

Join us for a special mid-week show when we speak to an eye witness who has had a few encounters. One of the encounters he tells is when he was a young man and stared face to face with a Sasquatch. This is one show you will not want to miss. He goes into full details about what the face looked like at close range. Amazing encounter you will want to hear. We will also be giving you an update on our recent visit out to the Browns property!

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. Back on one, what are you reporting? What he out here?

What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 60 foot nine. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right in. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Hot Spot Radio, Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. My girlfriend's daughter's been sick, and she's like 10 years old, and she doesn't understand that you cover your mouth when he cough.

Oh. And she had this terrible cough, and, like, I got back from the Browns this morning, slept for, like, three or four hours, and then woke up with this nasty, nasty cough. It's killing me. Uh-oh. You got it. Yeah, good times. Now, where do you want to start with the Browns, Shannon? Should we start with light?

Or do we want to talk about the light? Yeah, here's the deal. The light. Oh, my gosh. Did you tell Will about that? Yeah, I told him the story. Yeah. I talked to John again this morning because he drove me home.

And I was like, okay, let's talk again about the light. Or the Bigfoot, I shine, as you want to call it. But I go, what do you prefer? What do you want us to do? And he goes, do I care if you talk about it? No. What I prefer, you didn't? Yeah.

They both would prefer we didn't even probably bring it up. That maybe, you know, I mean, we're definitely omitting a huge part of the story. But if that's what they really want, I don't know. What's your feeling on that? I don't want to cheat our audience on what we saw. I'd rather just be honest and be straightforward. and tell him what he's all. It is what it is.

I mean, do I think it's two separate phenomena that's going on? I absolutely do. Yeah, you guys not forgive me for this cold, but we headed out to, we really hadn't heard anything all night long, and we're out at the Browns. So there's this abandoned building on the Browns property, and we start heading out to this abandoned building, and there's two actual abandoned buildings out there. One is, was probably constructed in the 1800s,

It's made of wood. And the other one seems more recent, maybe it was made in probably like the 40s or 50s. And it's made of aluminum. And they're right next to each other. Literally, we hadn't heard anything all night long. It's probably what, Shannon, half a mile? Yeah, it was a good little walk out there. So we head out to this abandoned building.

We're sitting in this abandoned building. We all have headlamps on. And we're all sitting inside. We're just talking. and rain's coming down and everything. And I look outside this abandoned building and I see what looks like a headlamp coming towards us. I almost don't want to use the word orb of light,

but it was kind of a... And I didn't think orb of light when I first saw it. Like we were all just sitting there and I see this thing coming towards us. And my first thought was, well, maybe it's someone out on the tribal land that's coming out, that has a headlamp on like we do, and it's coming towards a barn. And you could see this thing bobbing up and down, almost level with us, coming right towards us.

So me and Mimi are talking, and I think Shannon and Kirk Brandenburg and John were probably a good, what, 70 feet in front of us, something like that. They were actually face to face with the thing coming right at us, and I was telling Mimi. I was like, hey, look, I think someone's coming towards. a barn. So I just turn my head lamp off and I'm just waiting for this thing. I'm waiting for this person to come up on us. And then the light goes out. What's strange is where the light was at was actually above this huge ravine that dropped down into the forest. And so I mean, Occam's Razor, was it a person that makes the most sense? But knowing the layout of the land, it doesn't really make sense. So what it was, I couldn't tell you.

All I know is this huge beam of light was coming towards us. Not like a UFO ship. Because my first impression was, this is a person with a headlamp on running towards us. And then the light went out. I tell Kirk Brandenburg, I tell him, hey, hit it with the thermal and see what's out there. So he starts scanning with the thermal, and he's like, hey, man, I don't see anything out there. And I'm like, okay, well, that's weird.

So me and my girlfriend get up. We walk out of this abandoned building. We walk around it. Now we're in between this old wooden abandoned building and this aluminum abandoned building. And we're standing there. And Shannon and John are walking out of this abandoned building. They're probably like 100 feet behind us.

And it had just started raining really heavy. Well, directly in front of us, we hear this whack, whack, whack, against this aluminum abandoned building. It startles me because it's really loud. I mean, I was thinking that it was like a baseball bat hitting it, but my girlfriend kind of nailed it when she said it sounded more like an open-fisted palm slap on the side of the building. And I'm turning to her, and I'm just about ready to tell her, don't run.

I've told her 100 times, do not run. Whether it's Bigfoot, whether it's a cougar, whether it's any wild animals, do not run. Stand your ground because you have a better chance of standing your ground because the moment you run, now you become prey. So as I'm turning to her and I'm about ready to tell her don't run, she's already in a full sprint running back to the group. So I'm standing there by myself and then it just goes dead quiet.

I remember Kirk just, you know, going back to the light that we saw, he's just like, who's headed towards us, you know? I think that was all our impressions, but who's the person out at, what was it 3 in the morning, and it was raining, and it wasn't warm out by any means, as everyone can imagine. Yeah, the light was, I mean, it was a bright light. I didn't get any odd feelings about it. I didn't think, oh, yeah, finally, I get to see a UFO this weekend, too, you know. It wasn't an impression like that that I got. It was fast. It seemed like it was moving pretty fast.

And just like you described West, it just kind of was there, and then it just wasn't there. You know, whether that was a person ducking down or going on a tree or whatever that may have been, it was a little odd. And then, you know, the incident with once we exited the building to leave, you and Mimi were the only two to hear that. the other building, the aluminum building being slapped. I don't know how we didn't hear it.

There might have been a little rain going on, and I think John and I were probably chatting about the light, but we didn't hear it. We just noticed Mimi coming back for some reason, and she looked very concerned, and that's when she said, something just hit that building. And she said, she just had these wide eyes.

She's like, it went bam, bam, bam. And what? Me and John, like, what in the world? You know, both incidents were, were odd and notable, you know, noteworthy. I think there are separate things. You know, it definitely could have been a person in the field. It's a headlamp.

It looked like a headlamp. It looked just probably like one of our headlamps would have looked if we were on that side of the ravine, to be honest with you. A very interesting night. Whatever that was, slap in the building was very close to us. And the other unfortunate thing to that is that Kirk Brannenberg, he didn't hear the slap on the building either. So he didn't, I think we all just assumed he had and was therming over there, but he didn't. He may not have seen anything anyway, but yeah, very interesting night.

That was, that was the first night on Friday. Do you want to talk about the thermal that you guys got and talked about what happened? On Sunday night. I went back over there. It was just me and Sarah and John. it was probably around 11 p.m., maybe 1130. We heard a huge thud, and John cracked me up because he goes, it was like a body fell out of a tree, and I was like, yeah, pretty much.

It was very, very loud, and we could actually feel it, hit the ground, and it seemed off to our left, and then within, I would say, 30 to 40 minutes, Sarah is scanning with the therm. She goes, yeah, I got a peeker. I have one, and it's not very far. There's a head looking right now, and I go, you sure? And she says, yes, because it just went down and popped back up. And she's really excited about it.

She goes, okay, well, I just got it walking away, whatever it is. It just realized I saw it, and now it just walked away, and I have it on camera. You know, the long and the short of that is we spent Monday most of the day working on trying to find the proper spot where she was, standing versus where the subject was, you know, in relation to the bushes, because that will make all the difference between it being an eight-foot subject, you know, and a five-foot subject. So we, as of right now, had not pinned on that measurement. So as of right now, it's inconclusive.

Was it interesting? Yes. It's creepy either way because, you know, there was a person then very, very close just they're watching us. So, and oh, one more thing I want to mention about Friday, while we were on our long walkabout in the creepy abandoned building, while my audio recorder was back at their house, I think that I got a really good, whoa, on tape. Sarah's going to try to work on clean that up. It's a kind of audio recorder that won't record unless there's a certain decibel of sound. so we're going to try to get that cleaned up and share with everybody. Yeah, so Monday night, well, we go out there, Mimi and I drive out there,

and I have this brilliant idea of not necessarily a call blasting because I really didn't have it on the speaker, but I was playing it for my phone. They have this thermal tent set up, you know, where you can sit in there with a thermal and nothing can see you. And I thought, well, I'm going to go ahead and play this baby. crying and see what happens. As a primate, it would drive me nuts.

And so I set up this video, or I set up this audio recording of this baby crying. It's 12 hours on YouTube that you can play, and it's just this constant baby crying. After about an hour and a half, it's driving me nuts. Like I'm going nuts from this kid crying on this audio recording. So I get up to turn it off. as I'm getting up to turn it off, we start getting whoops. And they were kind of off in the distance at first, but they, like all three of us heard this whoop, whoop,

and it was whooping towards the auto recording. So I start walking back towards the house, and I'm going to grab the thermal. And I hear something just crashed to the brush. I mean, it sounded like a truck just crashed to the brush over there. So I stop and I look over, and Sarah comes out. and she hears it, and like all four of us heard it. And this thing, it went from like a weird whoop into,

and it kind of sounded like a female whoop, didn't it, Shannon? It really didn't sound like a male whoop. Yeah, like right off the bat, I was like it just sounds, I mean, as feminine as a whoop could sound, it sounded a little feminine. Yeah. All of us walked back towards the gazebo, and the whoop changed. The whoop went on for probably what, Shannon, half hour, 40 minutes, I was just going to say probably about 40 minutes straight.

Yeah, it's just, I mean, completely straight. And we could hear it in different directions. At first, it was kind of behind us, and then it seemed like it was kind of working its way towards the thermal tent. And the whoop changed into this weird, gosh, I don't know how to describe it. I mean, it was still a whoop, but it was very rhythmic. It was very, I don't know. How would you describe it, Shannon?

It almost became like sing-song. It became groups of three, and the first loop was always the same tone versus the second loop was also its own tone. And it was a little bit higher. It was awesome. It was exciting, actually. And like Wes said, it did change positions. And I'll let Wes, you know, tell you guys what happened to make it all stop. But by the time it was done, it was probably as far left of the recording as you could, or the thermal pen as you could get.

So there is some equipment set up in there, and we're hoping maybe we got something on that stuff. Yeah. Now, what happened is my phone died. And the minute my phone died and that crying stopped, it's like everything went silent. There was no noise at all. I mean, it went dead silent. I tried a different baby call, and I kind of wish I would have gone back to the more distressed call I was using. It's almost like it wasn't quite fallen for the second baby call I was using.

I tried a distressed deer call. That didn't really do anything. But that first call that I used, it took about an hour and a half, but, I mean, things were coming in and checking it out, that's for sure. And we were trying to use the thermal. The thermal kept dying on us, but we kept trying to use the thermal to scan the area. In retrospect, when you think about call blasting, it certainly wasn't loud. You know, it was just your phone playing, so that was impressive as well. But that's pretty much it.

What do you think, Will? I don't know. To be honest, without hearing and experiencing myself, it's really difficult to, you know, put a point on the pentover. Yeah, I'm telling you, man, when that whoop started up, it startled all three of us. of us. I mean, all three of us were on our tippy toes after that. And it had moved around coming towards us, coming towards that sound. As far as the light goes, I don't know what to tell you about the light. I really don't have an answer for you on that one. Yeah, it definitely could have just been a Friday night board kit out there or something. Who knows? It wasn't

great weather for it, but it could, I mean, absolutely could have been that because it just, it looked like just a single headlamp out there. We got to get you out there, Will. Yeah, absolutely. What do you think, Will? Too much flute playing? Well, you know, the only thing I think is, like, you know, when you're telling the audience something,

if there's, without, you know, more investigation, you don't want to get, you know, a lot of maybes and ifs out there, you know what I mean? I mean, when it comes to investigating Sasquatch, you've got to put a lot of that stuff in the back of your mind and keep working it until you got something a little more solid. Are you talking about the whoops, or are you talking about the light? The lights are pretty good, but then, I mean, like, I don't know,

I'd have to go over the details. But there's a lot of things, you know, people say it, and when people listen, it's like, well, okay, nothing is really seen, nothing is picked up on formal. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's more negative than positive. Oh yeah, there's absolutely way more negative than positive. Right.

But I want to share with the audience what happened. I mean, as far as the light goes, I honestly think it was something separate going on. And if I were to guess, I'd say it was a person. Was it an odd place for a person to be? Absolutely. Was it could have been a car reflecting light? I really don't think so. A person is about the only thing that really makes sense.

maybe with somebody with a headlamp or even a small flashlight. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Could the light have been a chemical glow stick? I don't think so. I don't think it was a head. Yeah, something was a headlamp. It looked like a headlamp.

Like, it just looked, it didn't look weird. It just was a weird place for it in a weird time, that's all. But it's not impossible at all that it was a person. Not at all. Yeah, I don't think that was a really Saswatch related. I think it was just kind of a weird thing that happened. when we were out there. But I don't tie that into being Sasquatch related one bit.

I really don't. No. I think it was just something separate that happened while we were out there. Now, as far as the whoops we heard, with regard to the crying baby, I absolutely think that was Sasquatch related. Yeah, that was cool. I do wish you were there for that world, just to hear that, because you, I really think you would have liked that.

That was impressive. What was weird about the whoops? is it threw us all off because it happened so quick, and it came on us so quick. I mean, it literally came upon us really, really quick. And it seemed like its focus was on that sound. It was trying to get closer and closer to that sound. As soon as I started playing the second baby crying,

what's kind of interesting to note is I think I got, I'm kind of sure I got a cougar on thermal on the recording, kind of coming in and checking out that sound as well. Yeah, more likely. Yeah. Well, I want to welcome our first witness to the show, his name is Rick, and he's going to tell us about his encounter when he had this creature looking at him through a window. But I wanted to welcome Rick to the show.

I guess you had a couple of encounters that you sent us. So what I'd like to do is just have you leave us through those situations, start at the beginning, and just tell us what you were doing prior to that first encounter and walk us through the event. Well, I guess the very first encounter was the, when I was followed or something was paralleling me in the woods. I was down in Virginia in the Blue Ridge Mountains. My father's side of the family were a bunch of hillbillies. They live like up in the holler and all that kind of stuff. My grandmother, we call her granny, prior to living in this house where this happens,

She lives in an old cabin, no running water. We'd walk down the hill, down the side of the hill across the road to the dairy to bring water back to take baths and that kind of stuff. So that's a kind of environment that says really out in the sticks. So she moved into this other house when I was about 11, 12 years old. It actually had running water, but, you know, coal burning still in all right. So it was, you know, a step up, but not exactly, you know, 20th century. So me and my sister used to go down there and visit with Granny every summer. We'd stay the whole summer.

I'm about when I was 11 until last year I was there when I was 15. So this one year I was, and I was bored, so I decided to walk, take a walk through the woods. And I walked a couple of miles down the side of the mountain through the woods, like up on the side of the mountain. And down along the creek road, went past. where Granny used to live and on down and that kind of thing. But while I was walking this little dog that Granny had was walking along with me, they used to follow me around everywhere I went. I don't know, just guessing, probably a half a mile from the house through the woods.

I kept hearing these cracks, you know, sticks cracking and stuff around me. I mean, I was 13. I had no idea. You know, I'm thinking. You know, I grew up in Boston. We only spent the summers down there at Gramey's. so I was pretty much a city kid had some exposure to the country

you know just living down there for the summertime and that kind of thing so it wasn't quite strictly city but you know I didn't really know understand the sounds of the forest that much or the woods and so I was hearing crack sticks cracking

and that kind of thing and I'm figuring well you know it's probably a squirrel up there stepping on a branch or whatever it is well the dog was like walking around in front of me. And it kept stopping and looking back and to the side to my right side. And I would turn around and look because it was obvious that dog was seeing something.

And I'd look around and there would be nothing there. And then I'd walk around. And then I kept hearing these cracks, sticks crack, and then leaves wrestling and I kind of stuff off to my side and behind me. And I'm saying, well, it's probably deer because there were a lot of deer around there and black bears. So I figured it was probably so many animals. something like that, just walking around up there. But my family had always told me, you know, black bears, they won't come near you.

You know, they're more scared of us than we are of them than that kind of thing. So I wasn't too concerned about a black bear coming near me. I figured I'd know it way ahead of time, you know, and too nervous about it. And that summer, there was black bears that were coming down off the mountain, and they were going through people's trash and stuff. So I knew they had been in the area. And I figured that's what it was. There's some black bear wandering around out there.

Since I couldn't see it, it probably doesn't even know I'm there. It's just walking around doing this thing and I'm doing my thing. No big deal. So I walked along and he kept hearing these sounds for, I don't know, half a mile. But nothing really eventful ever happened. It was just, you know, in hindsight, looking back, I know that that probably isn't what it was. It was probably this Sasquatch,

because about maybe two, three weeks later, about 20 two weeks. It was pretty close to the end of the summer. Me and my cousins were sitting around the table. Oh, well, let me back up. Before that happened, that little dog that was walking around with me, I found it squished in the mud back by the boring. Well, wherever this was, it was kind of back in a holler. This house that she was living in, you wouldn't even know it was there.

but there was this house, a barn, a smokehouse, a hog pen, you know, she raised chickens and hards. She didn't have any cows or anything, just chickens and hogs. But you wouldn't even know it was there because it was like back in the holler and trying to partially up the side of the mountain. In order to get there, you had to drive like through these trees and you just plowed your car through the trees to get to the house. And, you know, the branches would scrape along the side of the car and everything. I mean, that's where it was. It was way up in the hillside. So we were kind of isolated back there.

If you look at Google Earth now, somebody had put a field out there, and it's not quite as densely forested around the house anymore, but the house in the barn is still there. But there was this barn out behind the house that was even farther back, but it was maybe 100 yards back from the house, maybe 200 tops. And I was out wandering around one day, and I walked back by the barn. So I was always curious about the barn.

But we never really went back there because you'd get out there and start smelling really for me. It smelled like there was dead stuff back there or something. So I never went back there because it was, you know, kind of make your stomach turn. I went back there one day. I said, well, I'm going to go back there and see what the heck's the one of them back here in this barn. And I got back by the barn. I walked around on the barn, and it was full of like old, like, like waterlog hay that had to put up in there, not like huge piles of it, but just a little bit left over that have been put up in there and left for years.

You know, it turns kind of grayish and gets all kind of moldy and that kind of thing. So I figured, well, that's probably where the smell's been coming from. And as I was walking out, I was just walking around and I found that little dog that was walking with me had been missing for a while. and it had a like it's not really a maggot I guess it's kind of is there's this kind of fly that will land on cows or horses

and it'll lay an egg on just a single egg and that egg will bore its way into their skin and it's just one maggot will grow out of it I forget what kind of fly it is well this dog one of them had landed on it

and it was in its neck so I spent like several days trying to pull the thing out out of its neck because, you know, it would poke its head out, you'd grab it with a pin, but I wasn't strong enough

to get it out there. So when the dog disappeared, we thought, well, it just went off and died that maggot fire and we got to its, you know, its artery or whatever

and it's nuts. Well, when I was coming out of the barn, I was walking in, I found the dog, and, you know, I had maggots on it. And I was like, well,

there's the dog, you know, I died. And then I was looking at it, and I grabbed the stick in a play. It was squished down into the mud, like squished flat. Its entire body was flattened out.

It looked like I got run over by a truck. And I couldn't figure it out. Why, how in the hell, you know, because you don't have cows, there's nothing back there that would have been heavy enough. I squished this dog into the mud. And if, well, it rained, maybe just the rain. It sunk that bark. And then I pulled it up, and it was actually flat.

its skull had been flattened like it had been stepped on by it. Yeah. But, you know, I was starting, like, I have no idea. Sure. And it was in kind of off to the side where the grass was starting to grow because there was like a muddy area that led up to the board that had some, you know, weeds growing. But you know how an old road that had been used a lot that you get the grass that grows in the middle would then sort of grows along the tracks if nobody drives a little.

a while it was kind of like that. And then it got thicker off to the side. Well, that dog was like right on the edge of where the thick grass and weeds started. And it looked like it was in a flat spot. Now, I never looked. And I think this is honestly part of the problem with people's farming stuff. Because when you're not looking for it, you don't see it. Because I wasn't looking to see if it was a big footprint.

You know, but that's what I think happened is that the cess watch stepped on the dog. Because I remember it was a big flat area, and the dog was squished right down into it. When I pulled him up out of there, you know, I could see that it was, it was squished into there pretty good. I couldn't figure it out. But I wasn't looking to see if it was in a big footprint. I just know it was like a flat area around there. It looked like it got run over by a tire or something. It was like just flat.

Anyway, that was the second thing that happened was finding the dog. The same dog that was with me that kept alerting me to something following me through the woods is the dog out by the barn that smelled rancid all the time, which in hindsight, I suspect that Bigfoot was hanging out in there. But then about, I don't know, a week or so later, my mom came back down from Boston to pick us off, me and my sister. while the night that they got there, the adults were all in the living and I'm yucking it up talking.

And me and my cousins were sitting in the kitchen and we were yucking it up back there talking about funny crap that happened over the summer and that kind of thing. And I was sitting at the kitchen table which was like up against the wall, the back wall of the house. And this is an old farmhouse

and I don't know if you'll understand what I'm saying here, but it had like one of those half, windows that's like up towards the ceiling. Right. You know what I'm talking about? It's like you have a double sash window. And then some of the old armhouses, they have this. It's almost like it's just the top half.

And it was up towards the top above the kitchen table. My cousin Teresa was sitting to my right. My cousin Curtis was sitting from my left. And my sister was sitting there too on my left. Well, we're sitting there talking. And I said, I kind of sat back in my chair and started. laughing that's what my cousin Teresa said. And I looked up at the window and I saw two white spots in the window.

And I was like, and I looked back down and I looked back up real quick because suddenly registered with me that I could see the reflection of the light that was above me in part of the window. But then I was seeing these two other things, which, you know, just as a quick glance, I thought was a reflection of something else behind me. And I'm like, well, there's nothing behind me. And I turned around and looked on the wall behind me. And there was nothing there.

There was just a stove was behind me. And I think Granny had some, you know, one of those flowery plates or something hanging on the wall, but that was it. So I looked back at the window and I can't figure out what these two white spots are. So I sat there and I'm staring at it. And I was a weird kid. I always tried to figure out crazy stuff, you know, like how stuff worked, why is it, why am I seeing this weird reflection in this window?

And then there was a full moon that night, and I realized, well, I looked like to the left side of the window, and I realized I could see the trees outside, and I could see the top of the smokehouse, and I walked, followed it alone over towards the white shiny spots, and I saw the outworn of like a fur hat. You know those hats, I always call them Cossack hats, those big furry hats that the Russians were wearing. That's what I thought I was seeing. I thought I was seeing that.

They looked just like the outline of one of those big hats. I'm like, wait a minute, there's somebody there, and I looked real close. Now, the reason they continued their conversation and talking while I was doing all of this. Once I realized that it was a hat or what I thought was a hat, which was crazy because this was August. And it was like,

maybe like 87 degrees. It was a really hot night. And I couldn't figure out, who in the hell would be wearing a hard hat? And I looked over at the two white spots and I said, well, those are eyes. That's why it's not a reflection that somebody's standing there on the other side of the window.

So I started looking real close. I figured they must be standing back. to where the light inside the room isn't shining on them. So I started looking really close, weak for my eyes to adjust for the darkness on the other side of the window. And then my eyes started to adjust to the darkness on the other side of the window. It just all of a sudden hit me. I said, well, no wonder I can't see anyone's face because they're not white.

They're black. I mean, I'm not trying to be racist or anything, but this is the mountains. These are hillbillies. there are no black people there, or at least back then there were no black people. You know, the nearest black people were hundreds of, 100 miles away from there. So I'm getting a little freaked out because I'm from Boston. And, you know, I went through the whole busing and all that stuff when I was a kid.

And I had gone through it just a couple of years before this happened, actually. So my dad was in the army. My friends were black. You know, black people went to school with me and all that stuff. So I knew what black people looked like. And I only say that because everyone else in the house didn't. The only black people there were everyone else in the house because this is what the turn of hillbillies they are. They might have seen black people on TV and that's it.

You know, they've never actually seen a real person. So I'm looking and I'm like, well, this is some black person. So now, and I realize that just as I was about, I'm like, well, it's got to be Carl, my uncle Carl, who's fixing to scare the hell out of us. So I was about to yell, you know, Carl, what are you wearing the fur hat for? I thought of this hell. And then that's when I realized it was a black person or what I thought was a black person. Just as I was about to say that and I realized what I was looking at it.

Because I saw, have you ever seen Slingblade? Yeah. You know that expression, Billy Bob Thornton gets on his face. He saw his lips way back. and he looks like he's all, you know, crazy dude. That is the look that this person I thought had on his face. His mouth was drawn way back, you know, and his lips were really fine. And I was like, what?

I said, well, if this is a black person, this is a loony tune, because he's got this weird grin on his face. He's looking at my cousin Teresa. And he had this way his eyes were because the women's, was above us, he was looking down at my cousin Teresa sitting in the chair. And his eyes looked huge, like really bugged out. And then between the mountain and the bugged out eyes, I was like, oh, my God, we got some kind of crazy dude outside the house.

So I was just about to say, what the hell are you doing now? Like, get out of here, you're not bag, and, you know, something like that. And it looked at me. Just the eyes, its eyes darted over towards me. I don't know if my cousin Teresa looked at me or what because I was too busy looking at it. And its eyes looked over at me. And when it did, as soon as it did that,

I realized this is not a person. This is an animal. Because have you ever seen, I'm sure you have, if a dog is trying to protect a bone or something, and they'll look at you like out of the corner of their eyes, and then their head will slowly, very slowly start turning toward you. It's almost like it's a weird, way that an animal does that, that's what it did.

And as soon as it did that, I started looking, slowly turning its head towards me. I was like, well, it knows I'm looking at it, is looking at me, and it's doing what my dog does. You know, that's not a person. And then I could see the texture of its face. What I realized, after I stared at it for a minute, and my eyes really adjusted, was that I was actually seeing its face. It's just that space was so dark that when I was looking originally, I was looking for a white person

standing there. So I wasn't, it wasn't connecting in my head until I realized it was a black person. And the way I realized that, I skipped over that part, is that when it was staring at Teresa, I saw that big grin on its face, I saw its nose.

And its nose wasn't, it was more of a, well, it reminded, it instantly reminded me of it, The TV show Good Times, the guy who played father, he had this really flared monstrel. Like, just huge.

He also played the gay lover of Charlie's girlfriend's father on, but I've got a picture of him. If you want to see what I'm talking about, if you don't know who I'm talking about. But his nose was really, really flared, like huge. That's what it had, and that's where I was like, this isn't a white, this is a black person. And then as soon as I saw that,

my eyes at just a time. looking for a black face, then all of a sudden I could see his entire face. And that's when it looked at me. So when it looked at me, I started looking at the rest of his face because I was like, well, this, it's acting like an animal, but it's, no animal looks like a person. Because at the time, I had seen, you know, in search of Bigfoot and all that crap when I was a kid, as far as I knew, it was in the Pacific Northwest, it was over in Washington State. It was one.

You know, there was only one of them. And it watered around out there. You know, that's what I knew. And so I completely disregarded it. Years had gone by before this happened. So it never even occurred to me when I was looking at this. I was just had no clue what I was seeing. And I just knew it wasn't a person because I've seen many, many black people.

This was not a black guy, but a really strange black guy. So as I looked at the rest of its face, I could see now. When I was a kid, I had this thing where I used to love to draw monkeys, gorillas, chimpanzees, and all that stuff. Monkeys, skulls, that kind of stuff when I was not much younger than when this happened, but around that time. So I was very familiar with what the features of a monkey were. And the first thing coming to me was, this is a monkey. Well, it can't be a monkey because he has a nose. and then I started looking at the rest of the face

and there's a feature that I've never heard any, I've heard one person on your show describe this feature other than that nobody has ever mentioned it and that's the texture of the face it's like leather it's not like a person's face

it's like leather and you can see the lines going up and down instead of like crow's feet and that you can see the coming off of the cheeks the stop me if you know what I'm saying but the lines that would run up and down the face

were deep leathery-looking lines and you could actually see the shing right where the skin would where the grooves were in the skin and I was like well that's that's a monkey you know and I looked at its mouth and its upper lip was really, really long.

And I could see the lines. You know, those little faint lines that go up and down on the monkey, they go from, like, their nose down to the top of their lip. Right, right. I could see that on this thing. I didn't see any other fur because it was too dark. I could see the outline of its head. And its head was so big in the window that all I could see was from about the top of its brow.

to just below its bottom lip, and I couldn't see the rest of its head. So that picture I sent you is actually my interpretation of the rest of it, based on where the fur out were in one of them, all that stuff. So I have no idea about the chin in that. But this is what I did see, is the texture of the face, the lines on the lips, the very thin lips that are almost like just a line that goes straight across. And the other part of it,

that wasn't really monkey-like, the mouth was pushed back. It wasn't quite as protruding as like an ape. Yeah, they don't have that domed look. It did slightly, because when it had its head turned sideways, looking towards my cousin, I could see the mouth going around and way back. So it did slightly have it, but so do we, you know what I mean? But it was a little more than us, but it wasn't any of it. like a gorilla or a chimp or anything like that.

It was pushed much farther back. And I think that's why it had a nose. If you just take the mouth of a monkey and shove it back and leave the nose as if the little part that connects that pushes back, you would get the same-shaped nose with big flaired muscles. And that's basically what it was, you know. So after I stared at it for a minute, and it was really enthused

that listening to my cousin Teresa it appeared it was really taken with her because I mean the whole time I was staring at it it never realized I was looking at it until you know finally it's eyes darted and I've heard this before they're big into kids

you know like pre-pubescent that kind of area I think the sound of a female voice that age draws them because this thing was just it was hanging on everything she was saying until of course it's on me. But anyway, then I was staring at it.

We stared at each other for a minute, and it wasn't moving. And I was like, well, in addition to everything else I realized, it looks like a monkey. But it's not a monkey. I know it's not a black guy, you know, unless he's really deformed. You know, there's something wrong with him. And I said, you know, I'm thinking in my head, well, it's possible because he had that weird grin on his face. You know, maybe this is just some escape lunatic who was born with some kind of weird, you know, birth defects or something.

It looks like, like this, you know. And then I realized, well, he's not moving. It was, it was like it was trying to stay perfectly still. Like it knew I saw it, but it thought if it stayed still, I couldn't see it anymore. That's the, that was the thought that went through my head the way it was. Because its eyes darted over and its head slowly started turning. And I don't think it really, like a dog, I don't think it realized that its head was turning. because it was turning so slow

it was almost imperceptible and I think it was trying to stay still thinking I couldn't see it well once it did that and I suddenly went this is an animal and this is creepy it just scared the hell out of me and I ran I don't think I've ever ran so fast

I just jumped the chair went flying across the room and I went the other room and my cousins and my sister followed right behind me and I said did you all to see that they said no we ran because you ran and then my mom and granny go what in the hell's wrong with you what are you doing and i said there's a weird looking and i didn't know i didn't want to say you know because i thought well they're going to think i'm nuts if i say a kind of a gorilla thing in the window so i said this

is really weird i mean really weird looking black guy looking in the window in the kitchen and my granny starts laughing and she's this black guy. She said, there ain't no black people for hundreds of miles around here. And I'm like, well, all I'm telling you is what I just saw in that window. And my uncle Mike, who's only three years older than me, he goes and grabs. In hindsight, this is pretty funny. He goes and gets his 22.

And we go out the back door. I go out with him. We go out the back door looking for this thing. And evidently, when I ran one way, it ran the other. So we, as I'm trying to explain this to them, my grandmother's kind of, well, friend, comes up, but you could hear him come up on the porch and he comes in the house. Now, my grandmother, she automatically assumes that it was him looking in the window at us. And I'm like, well, I got a good look at this guy.

That was not him, you know, because I've known this guy since I was like five. It wasn't him. And not only that, the guy could not have made it around the house. He was like 85 years old. He could not have made it around the house fast enough to get back in the front door. He says, he goes, what are you staring these kids for? He goes, what the hell are you talking about? He goes, what were you looking in the window out there for?

He goes, I wasn't looking in the window. He says, but I heard something tearing ass up the side of the mountain. So being a mountain might go out at the back. And the woods were five steps from the back door. you could actually just because the kitchen was like almost like an add-on to the it was like an old farm house that people

kept adding rooms to so the kitchen was just like an add-on to the back of the house and the door was on the side and when you walked out the door you'd walk about five steps and the mountain really started right at the base of the door it started doing up so you'd take about five steps and you'd be in the woods

so we walked out there and we're standing out behind the door and we can hear something going, rustling around in the trees. So my Uncle Mike goes hauling butt up into the trees after it. You know, I'm going to shoot your ass and all that stuff.

And then I don't hear anything. I'm like, Mike, Mike, you know, and he doesn't say anything. He goes, well, I'd say something back up in there. He says, I think it was a buck. It was just pounding up the side of the mountain. And that was the end of that experience. They didn't believe me that it was, you know,

of course, I didn't describe exactly But also my grandmother, chickens were constantly going missing. She had these two huge hogs. Nothing ever happened to them. But they weighed, they had to weigh six, eight hundred pounds. They were massive. The biggest hogs I've ever seen in my life. Nothing ever happened to them.

But when the chickens would go missing, we would find chickens with their heads tore off. And we'd find them all over the place. We'd find them out by the woods, backed by the barn. And I would say, great, what the hell is wrong with? these chicken doesn't have the head. She said, well, the hogs bite the heads off when they come near them, you know, eat their food. And the hogs just bite their heads off and then they run around because they're not dead yet. I'm like, oh, okay.

But there was also chickens that went missing. There was one chicken that I used to call, my southern name, my middle name is app. It means son of. So down there, that's whatever calls me. And so they called this one chicken little app because I like this one little chicken. because of its color. It was a really cinnamon color instead of a regular chicken color. And I really liked it.

It went missing one day. And I asked, I thought we ate it the night before or something. And I said, well, where's, you know, a little at? And she goes, well, I don't know. She goes, you know, maybe he got ate by a hog or something. And she said, they're going missing all the time around here.

I think the hogs are eating. So, you know, in hindsight, I think maybe the Sasquatch was helping himself. Going back to the window incident, how far up is that window? It was about 5'4 at the time. So that window, the bottom of it was about maybe to my chin. So it was probably from bottom to top, maybe six foot to the top and about what, four and a half foot or something like that at the bottom.

something like that. Probably a couple more feet between the floor and the ground, right? Yeah. I mean, the ground outside was a little bit higher than the floor inside. Because, like I said, the mountain came right down to the house back there. Really not mountain, I think, from years and years of rain, and there's a lot of clay there that the clay had slid a little bit. So, but no more than, like, from an average house, probably no more.

more than six, six inches to a foot higher than the foundation kind of thing. So whatever it was, it had to be squatting back there. It wasn't actually looking in the window standing. It had to be kind of crouched down looking in the window. I mean, assuming it was a Sasquatch. Right. But if I was standing back there, right now I'm six foot four. If I were standing back there, I would probably have to hunker my head down a little bit.

and the top of my head would be touching the eve. And the top of the window was like right there. You know, it wasn't like to code construction, if you know what I mean. It was put a window here, you know, and they put a window there. So the top of the window was probably about six foot up. Bottom was, you know, I don't know, four, four and a half feet. When you saw the face, would you describe it as kind of a down syndrome type look? I've known a few people with Domson, though.

I don't think I would. I mean, I guess in a way you could say that because it was just a, it was like a goofy look. You know what I mean? Because, you know, I'm talking about Billy Bob Thornton and that whole, you know, Grinny head on. But as far as the eyes like being, they're kind of almond or almond shape or slanty, almost like they're half Asian most down syndrome people. But to me, that's the way they strike me.

I wouldn't say so. I wouldn't say the eyes were like that. No, I guess not. You know, it looks, the only difference in the picture I sent you from what I seen is the nose. And that's because I couldn't get it right. And I would rather have it look more human than ape-like because it did not. I didn't want to represent it. It's just being like a monkey look.

Take a look at Australian Aboriginal. photos. A lot of folks will describe the nose like theirs. Are they those real thin, high nostrils kind of nose? More wider, kind of flat? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would say, yeah. The nose doesn't stick out very far. Right. You know, as far as the tip of it. I sent you a picture a few minutes ago, so we can get a chance to take a look and see what you think about that.

Okay. But Down syndrome, I, I, I, I, don't think so. I would say it's more it look like a monkey. It look like a monkey with the nose and the mouth was mashed back. That's what it looked like to me. When you were describing when you first saw it looking at your cousin

Teresa and its eyes were bugging out and what you described as a grin when it finally looked over at you did the facial expression change at all? No, uh-uh. But when it turned, when it slowly turned its head towards me, its mouth disappeared below the bottom of the window.

So, but when its eyes started towards me, I could still see its mouth. I did not see any change whatsoever except that its eyes were looking at me now. And its head started to slowly turn it towards me. Other than that, the face didn't change at all. It didn't show its teeth or anything like that. And it didn't growl, you know, which thinking back, you know, with all the other stories I've heard, you know, on your guy's show and everything. I'm kind of surprised.

But I'm thinking, when I think back about what it looked like in the descriptions and some of the artist renderings I've seen, although I don't know how accurate they would really be, most of the people that I've heard that have seen these things that try to describe them, have seen them from, you know, 20, 30 feet away.

And I think if this thing was standing 20, 30 feet away from me in the dark, I wouldn't see the details that I saw. The reason I saw the detail I did was because the light was sharing right on its face. See, that's the other thing. Their skin kind of absorbs light, except where, except where we have this cat. You know the Halloween cats? The black cats, they usually have the archback and all that stuff. Well, we have one of those, and I forget what the heck the breed is, but they're actually not black.

They're brown. And you can't tell that they're brown until the light hits of a certain way. And then when you see the brown, you're like, wow, that the cat really is brown. And you can't believe that they look so black when you see the brown because they're really brown. But because of the way their fur is, it refracts the light in a certain way that makes them appear black. And when our cat gets out at night, you can't even find them because you can actually look at it right where he is. And even though you can see the shadows, you can't see him because he's more of a void than he is a shadow. or a dark object.

You know what I'm saying? There's a subtle difference. He's more of like an absence of light in that spot rather than a shadowed area. And I think that's what you... It's a very good description. It made me think about the two that I encountered when I was 16 and about 15 feet away, and it was starting to get dark. So that's a great way to put it, where the skin sort of absorbed the light

because, now, granted, it was a fairly quick encounter. And I was kind of scared, you know, this time, but I didn't really notice a lot of the facial detail. I did see the eyes. I focused on that. And I think because of the lack of light under those circumstances, probably obscured those details. Yeah, and I think that's the problem that some people have with their descriptions. And that's part of the problem with getting a good description of them is that once the light starts to become less and less, their skin becomes darker, an order of magnitude.

You know, it's like, what do you call it, exponentially becomes darker because they're actually refracting or whatever. They start becoming a shadow, basically. Yeah, or a void of light. Because I did some CG work way back, you know, in the 90s before I started with this peripheral neuropathy crop. And there's this thing called sub-surface scattering that you do when you're doing a CG creature.

And what it is is that most skin has actually multiple layers of color. And there's this calculation that you can add to a surface that's called subsurface scattering and you can pick the colors and so forth and that. And what it does is it adds kind of like a refractor index to the surface. And it changes the way that it looks with light hitting it. And that's what I think is going on with the Sasquatches, is that their skin, the pigmentation in their skin, does some kind of strange subsurface scattering,

where when the light is hitting it, it actually reduces the amount of reflection that's coming back off of it. It's almost like a natural hamlet at certain times of the day. Somewhat, yeah. At night, absolutely. At night, they would appear to just be a silhouette cut out in the environment. That's the way it would look. primary

which is their primary feeding time by the way that's just an observation I made because when I saw this thing

once I realized what I was looking at and I could plainly see it once I knew what I was when I

adjusted my eyes to see what I was seeing that's exactly the quality that I noticed I was like the light

shining right on this thing and yet it's really difficult for me to see it looking in the window you know

because it had its face close to the window you know so the light was shining right on it

but the only the only reflection I could see was like I said in those those crags that were running up and down its face and that reminded me of if you've ever seen a gorilla like footage of a gorilla or whatever when they have that that black face and the the sunlight comes off like shine on where the wrinkles are in their face it was just like that and I'm like that's the only place I can see if it wasn't for that it would look like a complete void right

there yeah you're picking up that 3D detail there yeah And that's the only way I could make out of its face. Because it was just crazy the way it would, the light didn't even seem to affect its skin at all. That's probably one of the most interesting details I think I've ever heard about the light skin. Yeah. I wanted to hear your White Mountain incident. It's more of looking back at it. I know that's what it was kind of thing.

But we had gone up camping in the White Mountains up in the Upper King of Manus. highway. I don't know if you guys are familiar with that, but it's like 200 miles of road. There's a sign that says 250 miles to the next gas station. So it's this big and long road that goes up and down the White Mountains. And we had gone up there. And I was 18, we were all 18, so we were on a road trip. We threw a trunk in the trunk and we're going to go on a road trip. We started out in Massachusetts, and we ended up in Manhattan.

trip because we wanted to go camping and everywhere we went to you the campground was full so he said oh well there's campgrounds in New Hampshire so we went up there we this is where we ended up which was quite the road trip so we ended up we're going down along this mountain we're looking well there's got to be campgrounds here because this is the mountains and this is you know a mountain highway we're driving forever and did not run across a campground and we started running low on gas and um my friend in the back see he goes well that's back there said like 250 mile or 200 miles, whatever it was, to the next

gas station, I'm like, well, we've got just under a quarter of the tank, I don't think we're going to make it. So we're going, and we passed this Alcoa, is that what they're called? Campsite? Elkoa, KLA, something, campsite. So we pull

in there and it's a pull. Yeah, is it a K-O-H, whatever it is. You know what I mean? And we pull in there and it's full. And we're like, well, what the hell? We can't go any far. because, you know, it's like two in the morning. We've got no gas. The next gas station is, God knows how long,

because we weren't keeping track of the miles from the time we passed that sign. We didn't know how close we were. So they had this spigot and this patch of grass around the water spigot. So we pitched our tent there. We get the tent all the, I mean, literally, we finally put the last stake in this park ranger pulls it. And he says, you can't camp there. Like, well, we have to.

We have no gas. We can't keep going We'll be sitting in the car And he says, well, I'll tell you what He says, I have I know two private hunting Or hunting Camp areas that people use

When they go hunting He says, I'll tell you how to get to one of them And you can camp there and go get you some gas In the morning. Oh, cool, cool So he tells us, go down here You're going to take a left And when you see He says

the trees will be real thick and then you'll see this thin spot. He said, when you see this thin spot, you're going to pull off the road. He said, there's not going to be a road there, but just pull off and drive up into the trees. He said, then you keep on going up in them trees until you get to this split in the road. If you can call it a road, it's more of where the trees are thinner. And you want to go to the right and go all the way up there. And at the end of that, there'll be a clearing and you can camp there. So we're like, okay.

So we go down there, and it turns out this, it wasn't very, it was probably three, four miles or something like that from the camera. But it was just as far up the side of this mountain, this road went. So we were way up the side. And, I mean, we were going up at a pretty good angle all the way up the side of this mountain. We finally got up to the clearing, and we start pitching our tent. And the car was parked in the little thin part of the trees, which you would call the road. and right at the edge of the clearing. And we pitched the tent right in front of the car.

This is just stupidity at its most. We put the tent right in front of the car. We kept the lights on while we were putting up the tent and everything. Got us a fire going. Well, actually, we went out for firewood. Me, my friend, now my friend Rob and my friend, Andy, they were just, they've never been out of the city. They've never been camping.

This was their first camping trip ever. They've never been out of the city. So, you know, I said, well, we need to go get some wood, just go out there and find some, you know, broken branches or whatever, some dead wood and we'll come back and build the fire. So I walk off to the far end of the clearing. My friend Rob starts going off to the left, and our friend Andy, he was staying behind the finish unpacking the cooler and stuff, I guess. So I go off into the woods. I'd probably go maybe 50 yards out, and I find this dry creek bed that's coming down from, up the mountain.

And it's probably 20-foot drop to the bottom of the creek bed. So I climbed down the bank of the creek bed, and I needed to take a whiz. So I'm standing there, and I hear somebody walking around up on the bank up at the top. And I'm like, what are you doing, Rob? Because I figure it was him. And I look up and I see somebody walk behind the tree. I go, Rob, I saw you.

Don't be trying to scare me, dude. You're not going to scare me, you know. And at the time, I was thinking, well, this is awful, you know, ballsy of Rob, so he's scared the death out here to be out here, you know, trying to scare me. And so I picked up some wood, and I'm like, Rob, and he didn't say anything. So I climbed back up to the bank, and I'm looking around for him, and I didn't see him. So, well, I don't know. I saw him just a second ago.

back over to the campground I go over and put the wood down I go well how the heck did you beat me back here because Rob was already there and I figured he was still hiding behind the tree over by that creek bed because he didn't want to see him so he says I never went out there

he said I'm not going out there dude he says I got these to it and he had got what amounted to kindling that he had picked up along the very edge of the clearing because he didn't want to walk out of the woods he said I'm not going out of the woods I heard some noises and stuff out there.

You know, he says, there's some kind of animal, there's mountain lions out there. I said, oh,

you know, they're more scared to you than you are than you are. You know, I'm repeating what my family told me in Virginia.

You know, I'm thinking, well, there's black bears, there's probably mountain lions and wolves, you know, but they're not going to

come there. As we got the, the campfire going now, you know, we're okay. So we're sitting there. We start

toasting the hot dogs and we keep hearing these sticks breaking out along around the edge of the clearing. And my friends are going, Richie, dude, something's going, something's out there. And I'm like, no, I'm going to worry about it. It's probably a raccoon. You know, and in my head, I'm trying not to get them freaked out. But in my head, I'm going, that was a pretty substantial for raccoon.

You know, so now I'm thinking, all they're brown bears up here. You know, and I'm thinking maybe because that sounds like a big, it would bigger than a black bear. You know, I'm thinking, you know, the brown, and this is what's going through my head. And I'm not, well, the safest thing we can do is stay here by fire, keep the fire going. So we keep hearing these noises all around the camp site. And some of them got pretty loud and substantial. And my friends are freaking out. They, they, like, crawled back in the tent to the lower, with just their heads peeking out.

It was just a little tent. I mean, all three of us slept in it, but I think it's like a one or two-man tent. It was really small thing. And they were back in there looking out, and I'm like, what the hell are you guys doing, your chicken shit? I'm sorry, I don't know if you guys are adult-rated or not. But I'm sitting by the fire. We're hearing these branches crack and stuff.

That really all it amounted to is we were hearing branches crack, but we kept hearing, like, I would hear them on the left side, and then I'd hear them on the right side, and I'd hear them on the other side. So it was, you know, in my head, I'm trying to keep track. I'm like, well, I, like, had this big piece of wood next to me in case something from charging out of the woods at us. I was going to beat it off, you know, beat it back, excuse me. And it didn't sound like I did it.

So, but at the same time, I'm trying to keep my composure because I didn't want them freaking out because that's all we needed, you know, it's for them to be. because it would have been untenable at that point. So we, you know, I got the fire going really good, and I got the tent, and I said, well, it's like four o'clock, so I'm going to come up here, sir, we'll lay here, and, you know, everything will be all right, if this fire is going, and we had the fire right in front of the tent, so nothing could have got to us without having to go past the fire, and I knew animals weren't going to do that. At least I thought so, you know, God knows what a sask watch a bit. I've heard that they don't care about fire, but.

you know, that was my thinking at the time. And still at this point, I'm not thinking Sasswatch at all. And so we got in there, we fell asleep. Next morning we'd wake up and we had left the headlights in the car on all night. So the battery was dead. And then we had to coast the car down the side of the mountain through these trees to the highway and, you know, get it right into town and that kind of thing. But that was the end of it.

It was just the, you know, in hindsight, I knew it was more. I mean, I thought, I was thinking brown bear, you know, like a grizzly or, todiac or something. I don't know if they're actually up there, but that's what I was thinking. This isn't a black bear. This isn't a mountain lion. You know, this is something bigger.

In hindsight, I know that that's got to be what it was. Yeah, interesting, especially since you thought it might have been a person hiding behind a tree. Yeah, no, I saw him. I saw the outline of the guy, who I thought was Robb. And I was looking up at him, you know, from the bottom of a creek bed. And the bank was, it was a pretty steep bank, too. It wasn't like, you know, you just walk your way down. It was like, you know, one of those you go sideways and your feet slide all the way down.

It was pretty steep. And he was up at the top, and I saw a silhouette walk behind this big tree. And I'm like, oh, come on, Rob. You know, I turned around because I was, you know, handling my business there. And so when he stepped behind the tree, I just turned around. and so I don't know if it was even there when I went back up because like I said if they're a void of light when I went back up there

if I'm looking for my friend Rob he's wearing you know colored clothes and all that stuff I wouldn't even have noticed it and that's another that's also what I mean by unless you're looking for it it would be easy to just you know scan your eyes scanning the trees it could be 10 feet from you and you wouldn't even see it

unless there was some kind of light shining on it and these trees out here in the white mounds, they were thick. I mean, you could barely, it was probably a full moon, and I could barely see the hand in front of my face. That's how thick it was. You could barely see the wood we were picking up in that. It was really hard

to see anything. But because I was looking up at him, and I could see some of the light coming down through the trees up in the sky, and that's the only way I saw the silhouette walk. And it was someone walking on two feet, you know, I thought my friend was up.

because I was looking up. I couldn't tell how tall he was or how far from the bank he was. That's another great point you made about, you know, not just the coloring, but geometrically, the way these guys are designed, if they're standing still, they look just like trees because the lines are the same way, you know, vertical and not horizontal like a deer or something like that would be. So unless they're moving, our eyes probably oftentimes, wouldn't catch one of these things?

Well, not only that, there's this thing. I've watched Finding Bigfoot. I know it's a, you know, I'm always yelling at the TV at these idiots, but, you know, you have Renee. Renee is always saying, oh, well, you know, I forget what the heck, your parodialia or something like that, where, well, if you're looking at, yeah, if you're looking at the tree and the human mind automatically wants to see a face and that's what happens. Well, I, my argument with that.

is that the size of a Sasquot is such that your mind would automatically be trying to create a person. And that's my argument that when you're in the darkness, I'm like you just said, because their silhouette would make you think of a tree, because it's so huge. For one, it is so big that your mind would immediately cancel it out as being a person. Because you're looking. Yeah, someone's a pre-perference, so you're not going to pay attention to that. Right. right past it because you're looking for a person.

So, you know, those are just the things that I, my observations and things from watching those shows, I think that they're way off. I think a lot of people, I think a lot more people see them or run across evidence than we know. And the reason that it doesn't get reported is because, like, when I found the dog, it was probably a footprint, but I wasn't looking for a footprint that was 18 inches long. You know, all I knew is I was looking at the dog, and it was one of those, those little poodles, you know,

they're, well, he wasn't cut like a poodle, but, you know, he's probably 20 inches long himself. Max. So, you know, he was about the size of a big footprint, you know, and he had a flattened out mud area all the way around. So, you know,

that's how big of a footprint it would have been. Well, I can't say towards his butt, but because I was only looking at his head, but his head in his torso was in a, there was the mud around, him was flat. And that's all I remember. I wasn't looking for toes and all that because you don't think of a foot being that big unless you're consciously looking for a Sasquatch footprint. Right. And I think that a lot of people miss a lot of stuff because they're not

looking for it. And to them, their mind is immediately negating it as a footprint because it's not normal for them. It really makes you wonder if your grandmother saw and heard more than she probably ever said. Yeah, I wish I had a thought about it and I asked her, she passed away in 98. I wish I had a thought about it back then to ask her. I mean, I could ask my cousins and stuff, but they probably wouldn't talk about it.

Granny would have. Well, she would have, but she would have blew it off. Oh, yeah, it's probably bears, you know, something like that, unless she'd actually seen one. You know, and then she would, actually, she probably still would have blew it off. You know, she's like some of the people that you've played, come on your show and say, oh, in this area, nobody would ever talk about it.

It would kind of probably be like that. Granny probably wouldn't have talked. But she would have told me about incidents. She just wouldn't have said it's a Sasquatch, you know, or anything like that. But it would have been interesting to hear about any strange happenings because she lived out there way back when, let me think, she was probably since 98. She's lived out there since the early 1900s, like 1910 or something, 10, 1920s.

So she was out there when they had just finished fighting the Indians and stuff. She was familiar with burgers, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure. And probably some of the other people around there who are pretty much all gone now. You know, they're my cousins left, but they've built not a lot. I mean, the place is still pretty primitive. But they've built it up quite a bit.

You know, it's cleared it out for farming and stuff. So it's not as easy to get them through. You can't just walk out the back door to get them. to the woods anymore. I just want to say that for two weeks in a row, I have a disturbing image burned in my head. I mean, the grinning big foot watching your cousin is just, that's wow. Yeah, and the look, if you've seen Swingblade, I mean, that was exactly, it just had this really big, it was creepy. Almost a evil look.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, it was more simpleton. It was more, that's the only reason when he asked me about Down syndrome that I was kind of hung because that's what was when I first, that big grin, I wouldn't put it as a Down syndrome, but I would put somebody with some kind of a mental defect like that. You know, somebody who's a little, because it was a very, the way he was looking at Teresa was like it was a very simpleton, uh, crushy kind of thing. That's what it struck me at first. But that was when I thought it was a person. And I was like, well, this is a creepy, strange person who evidently has the hots for Teresa, you know, until I realized that it wasn't a person.

So I don't know. That's just probably just the way his face looks, you know. But that's, that was the way it looked. I just wanted to thank you for coming on the show and taking the time to share. Oh, yeah, sure, sure. You know, everyone's always told me I'm crazy with a black person, but I just, it's not a black person. I mean, as far as the other episodes,

they may or may not have been, they may have been a black bear or may have been a brown bear. I don't know. But looking through the window, that was, without a doubt, in my head, Sasquatch.

Yeah, and what you described in terms of the skin texture and coloring and everything, we've heard that a number of times from other people actually that's seen them up close. So you're right in the spectrum or it should be.

Yeah, what about the ones that are supposedly because there's supposed to be four species, I guess, or races, I guess. Is that matched? That's what our government insider, Mr. Black, tell them if they're full with the types. I would say in that part of the country is probably the type two. Is that the general description, though, because that Patty, I actually drew, took a picture, that picture I drew, and I put hair on its face similar to Patty.

And it does kind of look like Patty. It really does, but not so much. As far as the artist's rendition, though, because you really can't tell from that footage, even what the face really looks like. But the artist's rendition, who I assume is somebody who's pretty talented and they know how to reconstruct and all that,

that looks more like a person than what I saw. What I saw looked more like a monkey. Actually, your episode 54, your last episode, that guy who talked about, the one with the dog, you know, he actually describes it the way that I was trying to describe it when I was a kid. You know, it was kind of a strange, or what I thought about anyway,

it was a strange-looking black guy monkey thing, you know, it wasn't, and he kind of described it very similar to what I did. I don't know where he was. I don't think he ever mentioned, but, you know, anyway. Well, yeah, it was great to be on the show, great to get it off my chest. And the other thing I wanted to say before I forget is the thing, thing about the eyes, not the red eyes, but I've explained to people that they're a white

to their eyes because, you know, I told you that's what flew me to the window, but their eyes don't look. They have whites to their eyes, but it's more like if you've seen a Labrador, you know. Yeah. And I kind of exaggerated the whites in that picture a little bit. I wanted to home the fact that they do have whites for their eye. But it's more like a lab, you know, how they have whites to their eyes. but you can only barely see it around the edges,

you know, unless they, or if they're looking to the side, you can see it. That's how this thing was. It wasn't like a person where we have these little tiny colored areas. They're larger, but they do have whites in their eyes. Yeah, because I've heard Kathy Strain or somebody, she was talking about seeing one in some place in Montana, and she said they don't have Scalar. I'm like, yeah, they do.

So, you know, she's saying that they don't. And then I thought about it. Well, if they look directly at you and they're at a distance, you might not see it. Because, you know, like a lab, I think it's a little dark at the edges of the colored part of the eye. But there is white, you know, and they're up close your carcet. The first two that I saw, I could see the white, but you're right, it wasn't a great deal, you know, but you could see it around the edges. Right, yeah.

Yeah, well, I'm glad you're verifying. Yeah. No, no, you're right on the money. Well, I guess that is exactly what I saw. I knew too many, it sounds so racist, but I knew too many black people growing up. I knew that's not what I was looking at. You know, it had to be. I just at the time, I was like, I have no idea what the hell this thing is.

Yeah, it's like, this is just creepy whatever. you know, it's acting like an animal. Right. So, yeah. Well, it was great talking to you guys. Yeah. Thank you very much, Rick. Sure, appreciate it.

All right. You guys take it easy. Good talking to you. The face story, that was awesome. That was great detail. And he told it very well. That really creeped me out. I'm not even, that wasn't even like a plan word.

That really creeped me out in his discretion. Oh, I could tell you something. creepy out even more. I was talking to Wes earlier, the guy we called Jack, our cop friend. Yeah. I told me a couple of really interesting pieces of information

last night on the phone. One has to do with you know, we talked about in other other accounts, we've had witnesses talk about Sasquatches running alongside vehicles and there's more to it than that. And West knows.

You had, and you'll have to edit this out because I don't know. I can't remember her name, Brenda. Brenda Harris on the show. And she talked about children being snatched out of vehicles by these things. Well, Jack told me that he knew about this also through police circles, not just the back of pickups, but out of open windows. Our friend Mr. Black confirmed it. The government knew about this.

happened many, many times. Oh, my God. That's a pretty creepy aspect for this also. And the second thing you told me was this is something in his area that's kind of quiet among law enforcement people. Their animal control officers have had these things come and take roadkill out of their vehicles. You know, it's one of those little dirty secrets they don't talk openly about, but, you know, it's nice to know somebody on the inside.

to bring this information out. There are more pieces of the proposal coming out. Yeah, when we had Brenda Harris on the show, she said that it happened a few times. And I guess, like, guys and black bands show up and take everyone's phone and, you know, basically silence them. You know, if they speak, they're going to get it off

from government funding or, you know, the check every month. But I was going to tell you guys, too, while we were listening to Bart, I emailed our friend Mr. Black, and they asked him. I said, well, my suspicion is while listening to this guy that there was a special forces team, there without anyone knowing about it, trying to cover this stuff up,

and he said, his response was my friend who told you about it was a group spy at Temple, and that's close to Bart's area, hint, hint. So he wants me to call him tomorrow. we're going to chat about this stuff. So my suspicion about Special Forces teams being around covering this stuff up,

you really kind of confirm without saying so directly at least at this point that that is what was happening. He said many in Bart's area saw the same thing. There was also these water type creatures from a river that flows into the Ohio from the same drainage area so we could talk a long time about this.

It's in the same gene pool as what's here. So, you know, we'll update everyone as I can and what he allows me to say. So very interesting stuff. Well, we want to thank all of our guests tonight and, of course, all of our wonderful listeners. And we will see until next time. Sweeping across the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote. I'm Tom Martin, and I'm a veteran sports analyst and respected sports handicapper who will help build ESPN's brand.

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