Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:562 The Rock Throwing Howler Monkeys?

Episode Date: July 15, 2019

Spoke to the eyewitness and he said "I live in Tennessee near the Smoky Mountains. A good friend of mine lived out in the country and asked me to come over because he was sure there was howler monkeys in the woods behind his home. I was curious so I went to see if I could hear these "howler monkeys" that he was talking about. After several nights of being out there we heard strange vocalizations but never saw anything until the last couple of nights. We have rocks thrown at us and we saw two of them. One of them was huge, biggest thing I have ever seen and it reminded me of a human covered in hair but it was a really big human. There was one night we saw something, I think unrelated and it was so strange I don't know what to think. It is so odd I am not sure if I want to discuss it, stranger than Bigfoot." The eyewitness has agreed to come on the show and share his encounter.

Black thing go from left to right and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquod. Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I must admit, I didn't think much of Merkle first time I laid eyes on him. Oh, man, the audience is going to be like, what the hell is going on? All right. Let me try again.

I'm keeping the chip sound effect. You know, the Sasquatch eating Doritos. It makes me laugh. It's not negotiable. So we walk into the bar. The noise of the chair will move. Here, I'll start off. What's it called?

Let me start again. I'm just talking too much. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We won't start again. Just the bar scene, I think I kept on over talking on you. I mean, it doesn't really matter. You can edit it out, but it might help with the flow.

if I actually do it right. Yo, why are you telling me this in the third person? First person. That's what I meant. Because it works better if I tell the story in first person. Yo, why are you, why are you, yo, why are you telling me this in the first person? Because the story works better if I tell them first person.

Okay. Dick. Do you want to go and pair for our drinks when we get out of here? What was I supposed to say? That Tony Merkel never pays for drinks. Look at them. I don't say that. All right.

All right. I got it this time. I got it just mute. Looks like a stiff breeze could blow them over. Oh, man. A stiff freaking breeze. Man, this is hilarious. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you tonight. That was some of the bloopers from episode 560, the William Row encounter. And I think some people were afraid to download it because it's only like 13 minutes long. But I'll play an encore of it tonight at the end of this show. But that was some of the bloopers. And it was funny. I was telling Tony, God, I've gotten like at least a dozen emails from people who are legitimately angry and think

I'm being derogatory towards you, I think I'm being mean towards you. And I think even one lady thought we were in a bar, which I don't really get that. But it was just a fun way to tell a story. It was a story within a story. You know, I told the William Rowe encountered the way he wrote it down, but I thought it'd be kind of fun to do a story with on a story to kind of capture your attention. And anyway, I'm done defending myself on that show. I enjoyed it, had a lot of fun. I hope you guys did too.

Tonight we'll be talking to Dee. And Dee comes to us from Tennessee. He was out on a property and a friend of his called him and said, I got to keep hearing howler monkeys out here. And Dee was like howler monkeys in Tennessee. and if you don't know what howler monkeys sound like, this is what they sound like. Yeah. The reaction you just had is the same reaction I had.

But D.L. Be coming on. He'll be sharing two sightings he had in about a week-long time span he spent on that property. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatchronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatchronicles.com. you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Dee to the show.

Dee, thanks for coming on. Oh, no worries, brother. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know your encounter took place in Tennessee, and it was kind of a friend of yours who had this property. If you would, would you just kind of start from the beginning. Tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened if you would. Okay.

One of my friends, he lives in this little small community in southeast. Tennessee, like I said, we live in the very, very southeast corner of Tennessee. And it's a little unincorporated community called Linsdale. We live right at the, basically the base of the foothills of the Smoky Mountains. And, you know, so there's a lot of farmland and forests and all that good stuff, national forests and all that. And he was telling me that it sounded like there was a howling monkey screaming behind his house at knots and times.

and, you know, like I told you, I kind of considered myself an amateur Bigfoot researcher at the time and so it kind of peaked my interest a little bit. So, you know, I went up there with him and it was about six in the evening. And like I said, it was late September, early October, about half a mile or so back in the woods behind his house

because the woods completely surround his house and they go on for miles and connect to nothing but farmland and stuff. And we weren't. up there. He was showing me the old graves and all that. And I said, well,

you know, let me try a couple things and see if I get your response, you know, and see what I think, you know. So I,

I did three tree knocks. I waited five minutes. I didn't hear anything. So I did one of the big classic howls. You were like, whoa, loud.

And within two minutes, we got this gnarly sounding howl in response. I can't mimic it. I've tried to mimic it and I can't. It was just the craziest thing I've ever heard. And I grew up in the woods. You know what I mean?

I basically was raised from a child, you know, out in the forest. I said, me and my little cousins, you should go out in the woods all time and stay gone all day home, you know. And never had it heard anything like that. I've heard everything from bobcat to mountain lions to coyotes, you know, basically any kind of animal that makes a noise I could identify. And I couldn't identify this. And because when I went up there, I was like, okay, I'm going to be able to discredit this pretty quick. It's going to be some other kind of animal, and he's just losing his mind.

You know, that's what I was thinking. Yeah. But then after we heard the hell, I was like, okay, maybe there is. something back here. And so, like I told you, you know, we went out probably

seven to ten nights in a row on a night hikes. And I actually forgot to tell you, we actually put a trail camera up after the last night we went out. But we never got any clear pictures off of it. The only pictures we got off

of it was just something blurry and hairy right up on the camera. You know what I mean? That's all you could tell it was. It could have been a bear for all I know. But, like I said, like, first night we went out,

we kind of went into the woods a different way than we normally would have. And the woods were deathly quiet. Like, you could have heard a pin drop. There was no animal noise, no, no

bugs, nothing, you know. And that was, that kind of spooked us, and so we just kind of sat down by tree until the noise came back, and then we went back to his house that night. And so the second night we ran out, I started hearing a bard owl off in the distance or what I thought was a barrow.

And I was responding to it and it would respond back to me and every time it responded like it was a little closer. And I didn't really think nothing about that. But then when we started getting rocks thrown at us, I'm looking at him and I'm like, I'm like, dude, there's, There's not any animals out here that can throw rocks at you.

Yeah. You could hear it coming from way off in the distance as it was whipping through the tree limbs and what little leaves were left. And you were like, ta, tat, tak, tap, tap. And as it was getting closer, and it would land like three foot beside us. They never hit us with one. You know, the most rocks we got thrown at us in one night was probably over 30. And we never got hit by one.

They would always just land to our rider or to our left or, you know, just a couple feet away in either direction, you know. Yeah, so this is night too, and so... Oh, yeah, it's so dark outside. You can't see your hand in front of your face without your light on. I got you. And we've only got headlamps on, and I had a bamboo walking stick, and he had a 22 in a machete. He had a 22 rifle and a machete with him. and that was basically just in case a bear come upon us or something, you know, or a bobcat.

Because it was right at the time where they would be getting ready to go into hibernation. You know what I mean? You know, bears would be. Yeah. So they would be foraging for those acorns down there in the valley. I was telling you about the had all the acorn trees. So I guess it was the fourth or fifth night we went out. we were up at the graveyard and like I said the graveyard was the original part of the graveyard

was from the 1800s and they were there was graves probably going back to the late 1700s in this graveyard but it was so old there's trees growing up in between the graves and all this stuff you know some of the gravestones are broken and you know just old old graveyard but on the back side of it, about 20 yards past the main graveyard, there was like this little clearing where there was a more modern grave, but it was only put back there in like 1960. And I'm guessing whoever started building that house back there that I was telling you about, where they had dug the basement out,

I'm guessing it was their family graveyard or whatever. I don't know the circumstances of why they never finished building the house or anything. That's just what I assumed. But we were standing in that graveyard. And on the other side of that, the newest tombstone that's sitting there by itself, you know, apart from the rest of them, there was this big thicket that was probably, I'm guessing it was a hundred foot around in a circle of your army. but we never did walk all the way around it but I'm just guessing about what I could see

that's how big it was but it was so thick you couldn't walk into it you know what I mean like that I don't even think a rabbit could have got through it the way it looked and because there was thorns and bushes and little trees that were like

an inch or too thick that were 10 feet tall but they were all so close together you couldn't walk into it and all of a sudden you were standing there and I was making tree knocks and how I was trying to get a response and the next thing I know

it sounds like a brawl is about to bust out that thicket on us I'm assuming something bluff charges and I guess it thought that we would run when that happened but we didn't

we just stood there and wanted to see what was going to come out but nothing ever did So we moved on, you know, down the hill And made our rounds around the ridge line I was telling you about this around the valley At all the acorn trees and the drag creek bed For the next couple nights after that

You know, we probably got 20 rock stone eyes every night But still we never seen anything And never really heard any responses You know, at that point We were just getting rock star an ice The second to last night we went out was when I saw the first one. And we had stopped along the trail that was overlooking the valley that had the acorn trees

and the dry creek red on it. We were smoking a cigarette. And my buddy was sitting probably 20, 30 yards to my left. And so we're looking downhill toward the valley. There was an oak tree growing out of the side of the hill that was so big you couldn't reach around it, kind of in the middle between us, but, you know, 15 foot down the hill from us, but it was in the middle between the two of us. I'm looking at this tree or the side of the tree that I could see.

I'm seeing the shadows sticking out from behind it, and, you know, shadows lay along the ground when you're like, and this was upright, and I could see this arm hanging down. Like I told you at first, I thought it was my shadow, and then I started thinking about it, I'm like, you know, we just turned our lights off a mirror ago, and I couldn't see my hand in front of my face. So there's no way there was light coming from behind me to make a shadow, you know.

And I looked down, and both my hands are in front of me on my walking stick, so, you know, I actually said out loud, you know, that's not my shadow. That's not my shadow. And my buddy's like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, you see where my light's pointing at? And he said, yeah. and I said, point your light right there. And when he did,

our lights still didn't penetrate the shadow. You know, it was still just jet black. You know, like, it was like a black hole for our fly shots, it seemed like. But I could make out more detail of the outline of it. And I could see long, shaggy hair hanging off its arm. And I could tell that its hand was kind of halfway curled up. And I could make it all off, you know, the thumb. four fingers, and on the tip

of every one of the fingers I could see points. Like it's fingernails have been sharpening to points. And I was, you know, bump-posled by what I was looking at. You know what I mean? I took my brain a moment to realize that I was looking at a big foot. And about the time that I realized it,

like I said, I'm looking kind of downhill into my lift. and from way down from my right, from way down in the valley, the rock got thrown and I could hear it whipping through the two lanes here at closer to me like I said before, you know, it was like

and it landed three foot to my right. And it was solid whatever it was because it made a thump when it hit the ground. And so I looked down to my right, you know, I took my light off what I was looking at because I was

wearing a head loop. I took my law Well, I was looking at it looked down on the right for a split second just to see where that rock landed. If I could see it, and when I looked back up, the shadow was gone. I never heard anything go up the tree. I never heard anything go away from the tree. But it was just gone. I could see right through where my flashlight was at. And in hindsight, I should have got my friend to walk over to where I was at so he could have seen it to.

You know what I mean? Yeah. How far away? Hintot's always 20-20. Yeah. How far away from you was the shadow? 15, 20-foot max. Oh, wow, really close.

I mean, really close. Yeah, really close. Really close. What got me was how quiet it got away. Because, like I was telling you, the whole ground was covered in leaves, because 90% of the leaves that already fell off the trees at that point.

I was confused about how it could get away so close. quietly, you know. And at one point I even thought, damn, I should have told my buddy to walk around the backside of the tree while I was looking at it, you know what I mean? Because the tree was blocking his view of what I was seeing because the tree was so big around. And so he didn't actually get to see what I was seeing. And we got more rocks thrown at us, you know. We went back the next night we went out again.

that happened to be the last night that we actually went out and that that's when I believe I've seen the alpha and like I said it was showing you before that people were going to build a house back there and they had dug out the basement and they piled the dirt up and made this little man-made root line that went out and we were sitting on the very end of it back to back he's looking down one side of the hill

I'm looking down the other and I start doing tree knocks and howls, and I wouldn't get any responses. And so I did the classic, what I call chimpanzee or monkey stream, like, ooh, hoo, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, like real loud, like that. And they started responding to me, and we could hear them way off in the distance responding to us. And it would either be a single tree knock or a whoop or something like that, you know.

and but once they got so close, because we could tell every time they responded, they were getting closer. But once they got so close, they would stop responding. And so once they stopped responding, I looked at my buddy and I said, hey, let's turn all our lights off

and go completely dark. And see what happened. And he was kind of hesitant about it. And I was like, just do it. And we didn't have our lights off for five minutes. and I heard like something on two feet stomping through the brush, like kind of out in front of me, you know, at the base,

not really at the base of the hill I was looking down, but kind of a little bit further out, I could tell. But whatever it was, it was on two feet and it was heavy. Yeah. And so I turned my light on real quick, and I looked in that direction, and I never saw anything. And so I just kind of rode it off. Like I said, on all those nights we got rockstone at us and everything, I never got nervous.

You know, I was never afraid. But, and I probably should have been at some point, but I wasn't. We're sitting there. And I started getting rockstone at me from in front of me. I remember I said we were sitting back to back looking down each side of the hill. And so he's getting rockstone at him from front of him. I'm getting rockstone at me from in front of me. And like I said, they never hit us.

They would just come close to us. And this went on for like 15, 20 minutes, maybe tops. And I said, hey, dude, let's start throwing rocks back down the hill. Let's see what happens. Because I knew there was no danger of us hitting them because we couldn't see them to begin with. You know, so we started throwing rocks back down the hill. And so we'd throw one down and they'd throw one back up.

And we were both doing it. And so we did that for a good 15, 20 minutes. And then what made me nervous was we came in from my left, okay? And we were both getting rocks thrown at us from each side, you know, from my front and his front because we were looking in opposite direction, sitting back to back. And all of a sudden a rock got thrown from the direction that we came in at. and I heard it coming through the tree limbs.

Like I said, you know, like I said, you could hear it as it was whipping through the tree limbs getting closer to us. And I actually, when I turned my head, I turned my head before it hit the ground, and I actually seen the rock coming in the air, sideways, you know. And it landed beside me. And I said, dude, I said, I think we need to make our way back towards your house. Because that's what made me nervous.

when I realized we were surrounded by at least three of them that's when I got nervous or I was like I think it's time I'm really right back because we were, you know, a good two, two and a half miles back in the woods at this point. I was still curious here

I was tapping on trees with my stick trying to get them to follow us on the way back which I didn't think they would and I never heard anything following us but like I said before that one got away from the tree, I was, the one that I was looking, I got away from that tree without me seeing hearing it.

So, you know, like I said, they're like forest ninjas, so I probably wouldn't have heard them if they were following us. But anyway, we were standing in this front yard and we were in this way to see the Reds talking about, you know, how crazy the experience was we had just had playing that rock throwing game with whatever it was out there. I started hearing the walking again in the tree line. You know, like, that same heavy two-fills. crunching through the brush that sounded like.

So I started scanning the tree line, started from where I thought I hurried at, going from left to rock, and kind of in the middle of my arc, you know what I mean that I was making with a lot, you know, as I was panning the tree line. Like I saw a movement behind my flashlight beam as I went by this certain area.

like just something in the darkness I could see moving, you know, as my flashlight passed it. Like, I didn't see the movement in my flashlight beam. It was just after my flashlight beam passed that area I saw it. And so I whipped my light back real quick, and that's when I'm pretty sure I saw the alpha, because it was walking through breast. It was a little less than waist high on me.

I'm six feet tall. and I could see it from probably the knees or maybe just above and up. You know, it had to have been there a bit of eight and a half, nine feet tall, and weighed a thousand pounds or more. And the thing had a chest on it like a freaking 55-gallon drum. You know what I mean? And from shoulder tip to shoulder tip, I'm guessing it was probably three and a half foot wide, if not more. I mean, it was just monstrously huge.

Like, I'd never seen anything that big before in my life, you know. And like I was telling you, before when we talked, it was jet black, but it must have had a little bit of silver in its fur because when my flashlight beam hit it, it kind of shimmered, or it was kind of hazy looking almost. You know what I mean? But I could make out the face real good, the nose, the ears. like I was telling you, I was surprised about how small the ears were compared to the size of the head

because the head was huge, but the ears looked like they were the size of mine, you know, and that kind of took me back a little bit. But its face had no hair on it. And like I said, it had shorter, more uniform hair than the shadow of the one I'd seen than out before. that had the, where I could see the long shaggy hair, you know, hanging off its arm. Yeah. Like, this one, this one had shorter worn uniform hair, but it had no hair on its face, and its face looked Native American.

And I have a lot of Cherokee in me, so like a lot of, like, my grandfather has the classic Indian features and stuff. And it sort of reminded me of, you know, a Native American with its face look. but its nose, it didn't look like a primate nose at all. It looked like a human nose. It was just slightly flatter, but it was burbless and rounded and had big round nostrils and it was real wide, you know,

and I couldn't really make out, I couldn't see the light of its eyes or anything. I could just see where its eyes were at because they were sunk back in its head because I guess it had like a pronounced brow or whatever, I guess you'd call it, that made its eyes look like they were sunken back. And that's another thing I always hear about people seeing eyeshine and stuff like that from them. And as close as I was to both of those as I seen, like I was 30 yards away from the big one.

And probably 15, 20 foot max away from the first one. And I've never seen eye shine out at either one of them. And my lot was directly on them. But like I said, the first one, it just looked like a shot. shadow but man my light wouldn't even penetrate through it. But when the, the big one that I seen, like I caught it full on in my flashlight

as it was moving as it was taking a step. And so I saw the hands well. I saw everything from the knees up good. I didn't, I didn't notice genitals, but I wasn't looking at the genitals, you know what I mean? But it definitely didn't have breasts.

It looked like an eight and a half foot. tall hairy Brock Lesnar basically the way it was muzzled up. I mean, this thing was huge. But like I said, I seen it take a full step,

arm swinging everything, and it ducked behind these three oak trees that were growing out together. And it would poke its head out real quick every once in a while and look at us.

And my buddy, he still didn't see that one when I seen it, because he was looking in a different direction. And I told him, I said, look, I said, see those three trees right there? I said, just keep your flashlight on the one to the furthest ride. I said, and you'll see it, poke its head out, and look at us. And he sat there for a second and it did it a couple times because it would do it real quick.

It would just like, you know, stick its head out real quick and bring it back and just kind of peek at us real quick. And about the second time it did it after I told him, him to look, he said, dude, there is something there. I saw it. And he's like, once you walk up there?

I was like, I don't know. I'm not walking up there. I'm closing up, you know. And I've had other people ask me, oh, why did you walk up to her? Oh, well, I'm like, if you feel the law and I saw, you wouldn't be wanting to walk up on it either, you know?

Yeah, I hear that. It's true. But I went, the whole time when we were out there, going on those night hikes, I went out there with a mind frame of, because I've always felt the animals can read emotions on people. You know what I mean? Like dogs can read your emotions and stuff, you know, especially. And so I was kind of thinking in that type of mind frame.

So I tried to keep my mind thinking that, you know, we're out here out of respect. We're not here to cause any harm, you know, and I would talk to them, and I would call them Forrest Brother, you know, stuff like that, trying to give them to respond to me. Like I said, I never heard any vocal responses once they got close enough to us to throw rocks. But the alpha that I seen, I can't even describe the sheer size of this thing. You know what I mean? And for it to walk as quietly as they do and be that heavy, it just baffles my mind.

Because like I said, I call them forest ninjas. Because you'll see them one second and they'll be gone like that. As soon as you turn your head, they're gone. Let me ask you a quick question. So you guys are walking back to the house. Is this close by the house now that you're seeing this one? Oh yeah, the big one that I seen was in the tree line Like I was in his yard

Smoking a cigarette by his chicken coop Which is right beside his house And it was walking in the edge of the tree line That's kind of a trip almost like it followed you back Yeah, yeah and like I said I was knocking on trees with my stick While we were walking out of the woods Trying to get one to follow us back

But I didn't think one would and that was the last time you had seen them was in that moment yeah that was the last time I seen seen one with my own eyes but now we did put a trail camera out there about a week later and we did get some photos on it but they were all whatever it was was right up on the camera and you could tell it it was hairy that was all you could tell I mean it

that could have been a bear for all I know you know I mean I could I could I couldn't roll out a bear out of those pictures. Because, well, there was one picture that kind of looked like an eye to me. Like it was squaw, like, almost like it was looking directly into the camera, like almost right on top of it. It was in night vision, so it was kind of black and white. And so I'm not even sure if that's what it was. You know what I mean?

Just to me, it looked like an eye. But somebody else, it might look like something else. I don't know. Yeah. Have you been back to that area? No, I haven't. Not since we took the last trail camera down. And since 2016, it was probably a week before Halloween when we took the last trail camera down.

And I haven't got to go back because the guy who is living on the property with his girlfriend, and his girlfriend was the one that owned the property, and they'd split up, and he's with somebody else now, and so I haven't had access to the property, you know what I mean? Like I said, I'm friends with her still, and I'm sure I could talk to her and maybe get her to let me go back out there again, but I just haven't ever done it, you know. Yeah, I wonder if she's heard anything out there,

because I know when we were talking earlier, she'd mentioned she thought the woods were haunted. She never said that she saw what she came to be a Sasquatch or anything like that. What she said that she saw was the ghost of the little boy and supposedly two ghost Rottweilers close to the graveyard, which I just kind of just credited that as a BS, you know. And do you want me to tell about what we saw a letter on that? not or? Yeah, I would.

Yeah, the strange thing that you guys saw. Now, this is around the same time frame that you saw these two weird things underneath the street light. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Oh, okay. That's the same knot that I saw the alpha. Okay, yeah, tell us about that. Okay.

Well, when his girlfriend had came outside after, I guess after the alpha had put, had got its curiosity filled and, you know, left and we couldn't see it anymore. She had come outside and was talking to us, and we were telling her about everything that had happened. And we were sitting on their front porch. And at this time, it's like 3, 30, 4 o'clock in the morning. It's still dark, you know. And like I said, the woods completely surround their house. And their driveway is real long and kind of curbs around.

to get back out to the main road. And about in the middle of the big curve right before, I guess it's about halfway down her driveway, there's a street lamp because there's a house that's in front of her that sets right on the road, basically. And then her driveway kind of loops around behind the house and goes back into the woods to get back to her house. and we were sitting on the front porch

and we were telling her about what we had seen and what happened to us and I just happened to look over toward that street lamp and you know everybody's seen the movie the predator you know and you know

how he goes invisible when he puts the cloaking device on and it looks like you're looking through saran wrap or something you know what I mean you could still make out a figure but it kind of looks like kind of like heat does

make your eyes and you know what I mean Yeah it's kind of invisible but it's not really invisible Yeah yeah And I could make out two figures Underneath that street lamp That looked like the predator When it was invisible

And I actually said something to the lim about it And they said they could see And so At first I thought I was just losing my mind I thought I was seeing things You know what I mean and I thought my eyes were just playing tricks on me for, you know, the way the lot was or something, you know. I was trying to rationalize it in my head before I said anything, you know, I couldn't come up with a logical explanation for it.

And I asked them, I said, do you see, you know, that right there? And they're like, yeah. And I'm like, what the hell is that? And they're like, I don't know. His girlfriend said that she thought they were ghosts, but I don't know. I don't think they were ghosts. But I don't know what they were.

You know what I mean? Like I couldn't tell you. I just know that it looked like two figures, two humanoid figures that were really big, and you could see right through them. Like it was like they were covered in Saran Wrap. You know, like you were looking through Saran Wrap that was made out to look like two people.

basically. Yeah, it's bizarre, isn't it? I mean, I've heard that from other people. I've heard it from hunters. I've heard it from people hiking. You've even heard it from guys in the military when they're out in the woods doing training and stuff. And I don't know what it is.

I really don't know. Well, see, it was after that that I'd seen that, I heard that the story I was telling you about that David Pilates they put in his book about the hunters, the missing 401 hunters. Yeah. It was the very last story in the book.

It had nothing to do with missing people. It was just called the invisible predator. But when I seen them, I'd never heard about that. It was before that book came out. And so I'd never heard of anybody seeing anything like that before or anything. So I didn't know what it was. But later on, like I was turning to her, I seen that documentary where this guy was studying Big Put-Hairs,

and he found one that was translucent that you could actually see through. And he said, when you look at it under the microscope, you could tell that it was a hair, but it was clear. And his theory was that they were covered in like a lot of these things, I guess, and if they turned a certain angle

or you were seeing them from a certain angle, they would look invisible to you. That was his thing. theory. But I've also heard another story of an encounter a guy had with something out in the woods that looked like a giant praying manus, like a man-sized praying manus, that could go invisible like that. I don't know how much credibility you could put to that story either. You know what I mean? So I really don't know what it was that I saw it at that point. Yeah, that's hard to say. I'm still confused.

about it to this day, you know, anything I can read or listen to on YouTube that has anything to do with something of that nature I try to listen to, you know? Yeah, I think it's... I'll listen to your podcast all the time when I go to sleep. I'll listen to Sasquatch Chronicles and

the dog man encounters. And a friend of mine, actually about 25 years ago, swears he saw a dog man around here and he he was this old hippie and we just thought he was on mushrooms

or something you know because he said he was driving down 411 toward Benton and he said something around across the road in front on two legs he said it was covered in here and he said even the arms were moving so fast he couldn't see them

or they were hanging down to its side and he just couldn't see them and he said, but he said it was booking going across the road. And he said its head looked like a cross between a Doberman and a deer. But he said it ran across the road in front of him and actually busted through a barbed wire fence that surrounded this cowfield on the other side of the road and just kept on going. And we were like, oh, you're crazy, you're on something, you know,

you're a trip and blah, blah, blah, you know. Well, the next day we drove through there, and the farmer was out there repairing his fence and the spot where he said this thing ran through it. And it wouldn't a couple days later after that I saw on the news where somebody else had seen it in McMinn County and shot at it. So I don't know. But that was before I'd even heard of Dog Man. Yeah, it's one of those sayings to where I think I've learned over time not to, to boo-hoo people who tell you something really weird.

Because what ends up happening is someone also come forward and say, hey, I saw this, you ever heard of this? And you'll hear, especially in this type of work that I do, I hear that time and time again off the air of just weird things. And people, I don't put it on the air, so no one's heard it. But I hear it weird things with Sasquatch Dog Man lights. I mean, you name it. And anymore, maybe I've just become numb to a lot.

lot of things because I hear things and people are like, you're not going to believe this and I'm not crazy and I'm not on drugs, but here's what happened to me. And I'm like, yeah, I've heard that many times. I don't know. Oh, yeah, everybody I've told my story to that wasn't a believer or hadn't encountered themselves at some point that they're, oh, were you on something or you were taking drugs that night? No, you're at all right.

Come on. You know me better than that. Give me a little bit of credibility here, you know. Yeah, I hear you. Well, let me ask you, what do you think that Sasquatch is, since you've had these encounters? Do you watch your opinion? I have a lot of charity ancestry in my heritage,

and I've done a lot of research into, like, basically, by all the Native American cultures in the continental U.S., think about Bigfoot. and there is not a single one that refers to Sasquatch as either a mythical creature or an animal. Every single one of them refer to them as another tribe of people. And some tribes are word with them and some tribes even traded and communicated with them. and I'm interested. I would like to learn the actual Cherokee language,

or at least some of it, and try to go back to the spot where I've seen those at and try to have another encounter where I at least get rockstone at me so I know they're around and try speaking Cherokee to them and since they understand it. Let me ask you. Yeah, and you could be right. You could definitely be right.

Let me ask you, how do you take that rock-throwing behavior? Do you think that was meant to say? say, get the hell out of here? Well, I don't know because, like I said, they weren't trying to hit us with them. And I've heard of them, like, them chasing people out of areas that they had one of them in before. I think it was more of a curiosity thing because we weren't getting scared by it. You know what I mean? Because I think the average person, if they were just walking through the woods at night and they started getting rocks thrown out of them from different directions,

They would get scared and probably run off. Yeah. You know, I think that's what the edge switched at us to do. And we didn't. We did the opposite. We kept going back out there. And it made us stay out there longer at night when we get rock stone at us, you know. Yeah, well, be careful if you go back.

I'd love to know what happens if you go back. And because it sounds like, you know, it's an active area. And it's fascinating, too. you know, how the, I almost wonder if the guy's ex-girlfriend has heard more than just, you know, the ghost that she claimed she saw and the other things, if there's more going on out there, or if she's actually seen them yet at this point, because they might have come back up to the home since they followed you back. Yeah, it might have, but like I said, those things are so stilty, and she wears glasses there,

so she might hear something, but I doubt she would have seen on me, you know what I mean? But I've got her as a friend on Facebook, and so I'll definitely get in touch with her and, you know, tell her about talking to you and stuff, and if maybe she'll let me come back out there one night. Because my dad thinks I'm crazy. My dad thinks I was on drugs, the nights that I was out there,

and I wasn't. Because he doesn't believe in Bigfoot. which is kind of redundant to me because he believes in aliens, but he doesn't believe in Bigfoot. Yeah. And I joke around with people that try to say that Bigfoot's an alien. And I'll tell them, I'll say, if Bigfoot's an alien, that means one thing to me. And they'll say what? And I'll say, wookies are real.

Yeah, I hear you. Yeah, you have to let me know. it's one of those things. I mean, I'm fascinated, especially with the behavior because it's not like they came for you.

They threw rocks and they were, I don't, I think it was more of a curiosity thing on both sides, you know, on their side and ours.

Because they kept coming back when I would do calls after that, after our first, you know, rock throwing encounter and blood charge and everything, they would come back

to the area to see what we were doing. You know, and I don't, I don't, I never took it as being aggressive behavior, you know, like I said, the only time I ever got even the slightest bit nervous is when I realized we were surrounded by the, by three of them that one night, or at least three of them, you know. And what I think it is, I think it's a family group that, that I encountered. Yeah. Like I said, the one that looked like the shadow that I seen, the not before I seen the big one, was half the size of the big one that I've seen.

Well, I would caution you going back. I mean, I don't blame me for going back. I would probably go back at this point, but I still used caution going back because... My dad wants to go out there, wants me to take him out there, and he wants to take a pistol with him, and if he sees one, he wants to shoot at it.

And I don't want him to do that. You know what I mean? I don't want anybody to shoot at him. I don't believe in killing one. You know what I'm saying? Well, everyone talks a tough game, though. If you didn't kill one and it came back as some form of human, you'd be charged or charged murder.

Well, yeah, if you make it out. But, I mean, my point is I think most people, they talk a big game. Oh, yeah, if you make it out. Yeah, because there's, it's kind of like the, I don't, I don't mean. to sound racist by saying this and you can even cut this out if you want. But it's kind of like my friend, he's mixed an Indian.

And he says if you mess with one bean, you get the whole burrito. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I'm kind of afraid that if we were to shoot at one, we would get attacked by several.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it could happen. That, that's not my intention. I had clear intentions in my mind when I went out there that I was coming out of respect, you know, and good intentions because I didn't want, I didn't want to think that we were out there trying to harm them. You know what I mean? Yeah, I get it. I think if anything, they were trying to, they thought maybe we were going to try to take the acorns that they were over back there that were on the ground.

I think maybe they were storing food up for the winter and those acorns were part of their food source and I think that's why they first started throwing rocks at us and blood charges is because they thought we were encroaching on their where they eat or whatever, I don't know. And I have found like a deer leg in odd places that looks like it had been twisted off

that had a spiral fracture where it had been twisted off of the deer. And I don't know a human that could twist a bricker deer leg off of a deer. You know what I mean? Yeah, I hear you. Well, be careful going back and be cautious, you know what I mean? And please keep me up to date. If you do go back and if anything new happens, please don't let me know, will you? Oh, yeah, totally.

And I appreciate you coming on, brother. I really enjoyed talking with you, Dee. Oh, yeah. Let me just seem here. And that's it for tonight, everyone. We're going to close out with the William Rowe encounter from episode 560. Have a great night, everyone. Until next time.

I must admit, I didn't think much of Merkel. First time I laid eyes on him. Looks like stiff breeze could blow him over. That was my impression of the man. I could see why some took the man as annoying. He had a walk and a talk. It just wasn't normal around here. And boy, could he drink.

He drank like a man that didn't have a care or worry in the world. I hope to be done with this talk show one day. I hope fans stop asking me to do stupid voiceovers like this. I hope. Yo, man, what's up? Not a whole lot, just in deep thought. Thinking good thoughts. Well, you want to go get some drinks?

Yeah, let's get some drinks, ma'am. All right, cool. Can we get two whiskeys on the rocks? Have to see, brother. Yeah, it's been one of those weeks, man. You ever heard the William Row encounter? No, I don't think I have. Well, let me tell you the story.

The story begins in 1955. Ever since I was a small boy back in the Forests of Michigan, I've studied the lives and habitats of wild animals. Later, I supported my family in northern Alberta by hunting and trapping. I've spent many hours just observing the wild things. They fascinated me. But the most incredible experience I ever had with a wild creature occurred near a little town in British Columbia,

about 80 miles west of Jasper, Alberta. I had been working on the highway for about two years. In October... Yo, why are you telling me this in the first person? Because the story works better if I tell it in first person. Okay. I've been working on the highway for about two years. In October, 1955, I decided to climb five miles up Micah Mountain to an old deserted mine, just for something to do.

I came inside of the mine, about three o'clock in the afternoon. I had just come out of a patch of low brush into a clearing when I saw what I thought was a grizzly bear. It was in the bush on the other side. side. I had shot a grizzly near that spot the year before. This one was only about 75 yards away, but I didn't want to shoot it, for I had no way of getting it out. So I sat down on a small rock and watched, my rifle on my hands, of course. I could see part of the animal's head and the top of one shoulder. A minute later, it raised up and stepped out into the opening. Then I saw it, It was not a bear.

My first impression was of a huge man, about six feet tall, almost three feet wide, and probably weighing somewhere near 300 pounds. It was covered from head to foot with a dark brown silver-tipped hair. But as it came closer, I saw that it had breasts and it was a female. And yet its torso was not curved like a female's. Its broad frame was straight from shoulder to hip. Its arms much thicker than a man's arms and longer, reaching almost to its knees. Its feet were broader than a man's, about five inches wide from the front and then tapering back

to a thinner heel. When it walked it placed the heel of its foot down first. I could see a gray-brown skin or hide on the soles of its feet. It came to the edge of the bush I was hiding in, within 20 feet of me, and squatted down on its haunches. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It was reaching out with its hands. It pulled the branches towards its mouth and stripped the leaves with its teeth.

Its lips curled flexibly around the leaves as it ate. I was close enough to see its teeth. They were white and even. The head was higher at the back than at the front. The nose was broad and flat. The lips and chin protruded farther than its nose. It had so much hair that covered its face, bleeding bare only parts of the face. face, around the mouth, nose, and ears. It resembled an animal as much as a human. None of the hair,

even on the back of its head, was longer than an inch. And the hair on the face was much shorter. Its ears were shaped like human ears. Its eyes were small and black, like a bear's. And the neck was also unhuman, thicker and shorter than any man's I've ever seen. As I watched a creature, I wondered if some movie company was making a film, but as I had a... observed it more, I decided it would be impossible to fake such a specimen. Things got real, real quick. Finally, the wild thing must have gotten my scent. It looked directly at me through an opening in the brush.

Ah, sigh of relief. The creature had a look of amazement that crossed its face. It looked so comical at the moment, I had to grin. Still in a crouched position, it backed up three or four short steps, then straightened up to its full height and started to walk rapidly back the way it had come. For a moment it watched me over its shoulder as it went. Not exactly afraid, but as though it wanted no contact with anything strange. The thought came to me that if I shot it, I could possibly have a specimen of great interest to scientists the world over. I've heard stories of Sasquatch from the legends of the

British Columbian Indians. Also others have made many claims. Maybe this was a Sasquatch I told myself. I leveled my rifle. The creature was still walking rapidly away, again turning its head to look in my direction. I lowered my rifle. Although I had called the creature an it, I felt now that it was a human being,

and I knew I would never forgive myself if I killed it. Just as it came out to the other patch of brush, it threw its head back and made a peculiar noise that seemed to be a half-laffed, and half language. Then I walked from the small brush into a stand of long pole pines. I stepped out in the opening and looked across a small ridge just beyond the pine to see if I could see it again. It came out on the ridge a couple hundred yards away from me, tipped its head back again,

and again emitted some strange odd sound. Sounded like half laugh, half language. I don't know. It disappeared then and I never saw it again. I want to I wanted to find out if it lived on vegetation entirely or ate meat as well. So I went down and looked for signs. I found it in five different places, and although I examined it thoroughly, I could find no hair or shells, for bugs, or insects. So I believe it's strictly vegetarian. I found one place where it slept for a couple nights under a tree.

Now the nights were cool up on the mountain at this time of year, and yet it had not used to fire. I found no sign that it possessed even the simplest of tools, nor a single companion, while in this place. Whether this was a Sasquatch, I don't know. It will always remain a mystery to me, unless another one is found. I hereby declare the above statement to be in every part true, to the best of my powers of observation and recollection. Signed, William Rowe. And that's the story of William Rowe.

55 encounter, one of the classics. So you can't pay for our drinks or what? Yeah, yeah, I'll go pay for the drinks. Yeah, that sounds good. That sounds real good. Tony Merkel, guy never pays for a drink, ever. Hey, I pay for the drinks again. I paid for the last 10.

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