Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:586 The Creature Never Took His Eyes Off Me

Episode Date: September 29, 2019

A listener writes "Thought I'd share an experience that I had back in the mid 80's. Probably not as exciting as many of those encounters that I've heard on your podcast, but non-the-less interesting. The entire experience was at least a 10 minute observation which I shall never forget. I am now 56 years old. This took place when I was in my early 20's. Up in the high Sierra Nevada mountains, tucked away at about 7000 feet in the John Muir Wilderness, is a popular lake named Huntington Lake. I frequented this spot as I am an avid fisherman, hiker and love to explore. This lake has easy access with "the" main highway running through the area. So in the summer months it is quite populated with tourists and such. I would often fish the lake and hike the area. When hiking I often times would exit the trails and go off on my own, equipped with essentials and, of course, a compass. I was coming down the mountain from an afternoon hike and found a beautiful scene too lovely to not sit and take in for a while. A small rock face, or ledge if you will, perched just 12 – 15 feet overlooking a mountain meadow surrounded by redwoods. A mile and a half down from there you could see Huntington Lake, which seemed so small considering it's actual size. It was about 4 pm and I was sitting there, and had been for at least an hour, when I saw movement just to my left where the redwoods quit and the meadow began. Granted I was approximately 15 up on the rock ledge but the movement was not more than 25 feet or so from the rock ledge. At first I thought it was a bear or a deer due to the size of what I was able to see. As I watched further, it came out fully into the open, sniffing the air, reaching for various plants and bushes….nearly in complete silence. it would pull up a plant, or off a branch…and nibble on the leafy parts. Nope. Not a bear! Certainly not a deer! It was in the open and foraging about…unaware of my presence. The small cliff I was sitting on/in was somewhat concave so it kinda wrapped around me to a point so my perch must have been somewhat concealing. If this would have been a bear I would have been concerned. I was floored. Taken. Nearly mesmerized I could not believe nor comprehend what I was seeing! And it wasn't like the creature was difficult to see. It was a matter of 20-25 feet from me as it worked it's way toward the rock face that I was sitting on. The hair was orange. Similar to an orange cat. The hair under the arms from the armpits to about the wrists was longer, about 4 or 5 inches long. The skin light gray. Standing at approximately 7 feet tall, this thing was blowing my mind. I was too amazed to be afraid. It had this permanent expression on its face like it was worried or sad. It wasn't worried or sad….just had that look on it's face. The face was nearly human. No ape looking attributes at all really. That is the part that freaked me out the most. It looked like a depiction of a Cro-Magnon. It was male. Undoubtedly male. Round – faced with a slightly pointy head…but not extremely pointed. Another thing that fascinated me was his eyes. They were the same orange-gold color as the hair. Mind – blowing. I still stand in amazement at what I saw. As he worked his way toward the rock cliff and me, I noticed him sniffing the air more frequently and looking around more. I figured he possibly had picked up on my scent. At this point he was no more than 20 feet from me. I would guess perhaps even closer. But I was up about 15 feet atop him on the cliff. Figuring that I had better make myself known to him rather than scare him…I softly said "Hi" and raised my right arm and waved it back and forth. He was startled and I could clearly see his eyebrows raise. He zoomed in on me instantly Freaky! He stood there not moving. I was feeling, for the first time, like "OH SHIT!". What was this thing going to do? Or more specifically, do to ME? His eyes were larger than a human's eyes but not by a whole lot. I could see whites on the insides and corners of the eyes. He stood there for what seemed like a minute but was probably less. Just looking at me. He didn't seem angry or agitated. Mostly surprised that I was there. I was staring at him as well…probably for the same reasons. He then started walking off. His body turned but not his head. He never took his eyes off me as he walked away. A part of me was glad that he was leaving me in peace. But the curiosity part of me didn't want him to. He was still looking at me as he was walking away. I raised my arm and slowly waved and said "Don't go." This is going to really seem stupid but non-the-less true. He stopped for a moment and very slowly raised his right arm ever so slightly…then walked into the redwoods. I was relieved but stunned. I cannot believe that I asked it to stay! I don't know what I was hoping for in doing that. I do believe that this being was very intelligent. It had a curiosity and wonderment just as we do. I also believe….no, I KNOW, that this creature could have pounded me into the earth like a hot knife goes through soft butter. But yet it chose not to. I am more than grateful for that."

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It was a horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me, and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what?

He said, just grab a gun. and there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir?

Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show plan for you tonight. We'll be talking to David. And David had an encounter in California back in the early 80s. And it reminds me a lot of the William Row encounter. I know you guys have heard me talk about the William Row. They even did kind of a recreation of that account. Very similar account. And we'll also be talking to Linda.

and Linda comes to us from Maine and she's had a lot of strange and odd things going on and around her property including hearing something not quite human saying, help me, and things running across her roof. Very odd, odd, strange things going on out there on this cabin that she owns out in the woods. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show,

shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome David to the show. David, thanks for coming on. Well, thanks for inviting me.

Yeah, I really appreciate you being here, David. And I can't wait to hear your encounter. I know it took place in California in the early 80s. But if you would, kind of take us back to that moment. What were you doing and what happened? Summer, and I was thinking about it, I'm pretty sure it was 84. I was 21 years old at the time, and I'm an avid fisherman, hiker, and I just love to just kind of explore, go off on my own. And, yeah, I just, I was coming back from a hike up by Huntington Lake, California, which is up in the John Muir Wilderness.

And once you get away from Huntington Lake, it's very secluded. Not much of anything, but mountains and forest. But I was just coming back from a day hike, and it was probably around 4 o'clock or so. And I was coming down the mountain, and I just found this spot that was just heavenly. It was just beautiful. It was probably a two-acre meadow, and it was surrounded by Redwoods. And I just had to stop, and I was sitting on this rock face. It was probably about, I'm guessing, 12 to 15 feet above where the meadow floor was.

And like I said, it was surrounded by a redwood forest. And I noticed, after sitting there for about an hour or so, I noticed some movement off to my left. And I'm like, oh, that's interesting. And as it came out further, I thought it was a grizzly bear. And then it wasn't so interesting. It was kind of scary because I know to be afraid of grizzlies. But then I thought, wait a minute, that can't be a grizzly bear. There hasn't been grizzly bears in California since like 1922, I believe,

was when they were officially counted extinct. But anyway, the thing kept coming out further and further from the forest edge. And it came out in the open, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. this is not a bear and it's certainly not a deer. You know, I mean, this thing was probably, it was a good seven feet tall. And one of the things about it that I found fascinating was the hair color was orange like a tabby cat orange. And it was on two feet. And walking out into the meadow, it did not know I was there.

because on the rock face that I was sitting, I was kind of in a little concave area of the rock face, and I was up high, so I'm assuming he didn't get a whiff of me because of that. But anyway, as he came out, he was just kind of meandering through that meadow, just foraging, just pulling things up like plants and breaking off sticks from certain types of shrubs and stuff.

And he would stick it in his mouth, eat it like we would eat a corn corn on the cob. You know, he could see his lips just going, bo, blah, bo, bo, bo, as he pulled the stick through and he was nibbling the leaves right off the branches. And then every once in a while, I could see he would clamp down. He'd bite down on the branch after he took all the leaves off. And I don't know if he was sucking juice out or what,

but I was just watching him. And he kept kind of meandering through the, meadow, but he was coming closer and closer to me. And when I first saw him, he couldn't have been more than 30 feet away from me, but I was about 15 feet up too. But he kept kind of doing that. This whole thing had to be at least 10 minutes. And he kept coming towards me.

And I figured I better make myself known because the last thing I want to do is startle an animal that size that I have. have no idea what it is or what its temperament is. So I just raised my hand and just kind of said, hi. And it just froze. And it looked at me and zoomed on me immediately. And that was the first point that I was actually afraid, I mean truly afraid, because it knew where I was. And I, like I say, I know nothing about these. I didn't know what it would do, you know. And incidentally, the eyes on this thing were just, they were fascinating because they were the same color as the hair, which was kind of an orangeish color.

And you could see whites, and they looked, the eyes looked pretty much human, except they were a little bigger. They weren't huge saucery like a lot of times I've heard, but they were just a little bit bigger in human eyes. But anyway, the thing, we just kind of stood there and looked at each other for at least, I'm guessing, at least a minute. And then it started to walk away, but the body turned to walk away, but his head didn't move. It stayed locked on me And as it was walking away I just thought it looked funny Because I don't know how it could see where it was going or whatever

But its head was turned three quarters of the way back And it was walking forward And as it was walking toward the meadow To leave It was leaving Inside I was thinking I don't want it to leave But then a part of me was like

I'm glad this thing's leaving because I'm still alive, you know. But the curiosity part of me, one, and again, I raised my hand and I waved, and I just said, don't go. And he stopped. And at this time, he faced me fully with his body, you know, and slowly started to raise his right hand and just raised it probably seven, eight inches, which tells me that was an acknowledgement of some sort, whatever it was. You know, I think he was just as curious about me as I was about him.

But it did not stay. It just kind of stood there and looked at me for another few seconds and turned and walked in the woods. And at this time, at that point when he turned, he turned his head and he was totally faced, you know, not facing me at all. And this happened in the early 80s. Did you tell anyone? I mean, what did you do next?

Did you just leave? Well, I'm somewhat of a spiritual person, and I just had to sit there and talk to my maker about what I just saw, you know? And it's like, what did you just show me here? You know, what is it? What did I just see? And when I was a kid and such, of course, that one thing. as Bigfoot.

I forget who took the recording of it. Yeah, the Patterson. Yeah, the Patterson. Yes, yes. Yep. I was fascinated by that. Never, you know, and was interested in it, but never, like, studied it or really got into it.

But that's the only thing I could come up with that would explain what I just saw. Yeah, I get what you mean. I mean, kind of in shock, I would imagine, you know, and not really sure. Well, yeah, it's shock slash wonderment, you know, because like I say, I really, I wasn't like terrified and I wasn't really scared until it looked up at me when I raised my hand and said, hi. You know, at that point, I was scared then because I got a full-on look of its face and it had a round face and it was so human. You know, the human attributes of this thing blew me away. But it's like, okay, it's got this human face, but it's got this big, huge frame and body. And it's like, what am I seeing?

You know, and what's it going to do? You know, but after it turned and started walking away when it was locked on me at, I realized it meant, I kind of figured it meant me no harm. I was still frightened, but I realized it wasn't going to hurt me. At least I didn't think it would because it was walking away from me. Yeah, I get what you're saying. I was going to ask you to kind of describe it. I mean, would you say more of a Neanderthal?

Is that what you were kind of looking, I mean, what we imagine. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Where I'm from, we have a lot of Ojibway Indians. And the depictions of them, you know, back, you know, 100, 110 years ago, it looks very similar to that. And except for the nose. The nose, the nose did look human, but it looked kind of flattened.

And the nostrils were kind of, how can I say, facing it. out or something you saw more nostril, but it was very much a human-looking nose. It was just flatter and you saw more nostril. And the other thing about the body that I noticed, the hands, that I, again, I thought this was, I was just taken by the whole thing, but the top of the hands had no hair and the bottom of the hands didn't have any hair. It just had that gray skin like the face was. A lot of animals have no hair on the bottom, like their palm, you know, and their pads. Well, it was the same with the top on this, on the hands, but the fingers, you know, on the top had hair. You know, so that was just like, wow. And the other thing, you think of a wild creature like this,

you think would be all haggard and, who knows, full of bristles and cocklebers and stuff. This thing looked like it just came out of the Sasquatch salon, man. I mean, it was clean, you know, and it looked like it groomed itself. And the hair from about the armpit, and it looked like about down to the wrist, was longer. And it kind of hung like corn silk, you know, it kind of hung. And when the wind would blow, it would flow really, it would flow really easy. So it was like a thinner. hair there, and it was about, oh, I'd say a good four inches longer than the other hair that was on

the body. Did you notice, you keep saying, he, did you notice genitals, or was it just? Yes, yes, it would be very hard not to notice. I mean, yeah, it was definitely male. And I'm curious, when you said, hey, I mean, you're relatively, I mean, you're really close to this saying, did the facial expression change or did it, I mean, did it? No, on his face, as I saw his eyebrows, they very distinctly went up. And speaking of the facial expression, the whole time I was watching it, it had this

expression like it was sad, you know, or worried or something. It just had that kind of look on its face, but it wasn't. It was just, you know, that's just seemed to be its natural look on its face. But, yeah, when it saw me, when I said that, when it saw me, the eyebrows went way up. And the thing just froze and didn't make a move. Yeah. And it never vocalized or anything at you? Never.

Nope. Never, never vocalized anything. It was very, very quiet the whole time. I didn't hear anything at first when I first noticed it. I didn't hear a thing. No twigs snapping, no leaves rustling, nothing. And I just noticed the movement. It was just, you know, out of place on the edge of the forest.

Yeah. Yeah, it's really fascinating. I mean, the whole encounter really fascinates me, especially its reaction. And I know when we were talking the other day, I was asking about the skin. and you had said gray, you know, a lot of people will say like that battleship gray color. Yeah, the first thing that popped into my head was the ashes of a campfire when it gets down. You know, it's that gray after they cool off. That's what it looked like.

It's a light gray kind of color. And David, you said the thing was about seven feet tall? Is that what you would have? Yeah, I would, yeah, because I'm about six, too. and just by looking at where it was with the rock face, yeah, I'd say it was in between seven, maybe seven and a half. So it wasn't like the King Kong, you know, 10 foot tall? No.

I got you. No. It was big and it had wide shoulders. I'd probably say, I don't know, maybe three, three and a half feet across from shoulder shoulder, you know, so it was, it was wide, but it was more built like, uh, um, from the shoulders down, it seemed to go more into a V instead of, you know, just like a stump. Yeah. Yeah, I hear you.

It did go down. It seemed to anyway. It seemed to go narrowed in a little bit on the waist. And then the legs were very, very. tree trunky, you know, really big up at the thigh. And I didn't see much. I wish I had the opportunity to see like its feet and stuff, but I wasn't able to because the grass meadows and the shrubs and such

were probably a good, oh, geez, three, four feet high back there, three and a half feet. So I didn't see much below the knee, but the rest was totally fascinating and I'll never, never forget it. I've often wanted to have a similar encounter like that again because of the curiosity factor, but no such luck. Yeah, I hear you. I think it's fascinating behavior, though, when you really think about it.

I mean, it reminds me of the William Row account. I mean, I hear of a lot of accounts that these things chasing deer. chasing wild hogs. And I do think that there are foragers. I think that they probably spend most of their day foraging and hunting. But you don't hear a lot. I don't think people get the glimpse that you got of the saying foraging and eating leaves. It kind of reminds me of the William Row encounter, to be honest with you,

the Canadian who was actually I think he was American, but he was in Canada. And he sat there and watched this thing. And just like you described, it would wrap its lips around the branches and tear off leaves and eat them. Very fast. You were telling me about that. And what episode was that again? I think it was 560.

I think it was 560. I'm going to have to look at, I really wanted to look at that or listen to that. And I haven't got a chance to yet. But yeah, it was almost to me, I've got a twisted sense of humor or whatever. but to me to watch those lips just go la-da-da-da-da-da you know kind of flapping along and pulling off the the leaves on the branch as it just kind of went through its mouth it was it was kind of humorous in a way and you could hear that that much you could hear the lips kind of flapping as it is going over the pulling off the foliage from the branches but yeah other than that there was no noise

noise at all. Yeah, the other question I want to ask you is, you had saw the Patterson Gimlin film. Obviously, that one's female. It has breasts. But how did it compare to what you saw? Obviously, colors are different, but I'm talking about overall look. How did it compare to, Patty? It's almost, almost night and day. The one on the film, the Patterson film, that thing seemed more like King Kong. I mean, at the was big, black, well, not that this one wasn't big, but the shape was totally different. This one, if you looked at it, you would probably, if you looked at it

from the back, you'd probably think it's female because of the, you know, it was more, more curved, I guess, if you want to say that. It wasn't, it wasn't just a big, like that Patterson one, that was just a big, huge, it just seemed to be

almost the same at the shoulders, as it was down at the waist. The thing and the chest on that, Patterson one, oh my gosh. I don't think this one had that massive chest like that. Again, it was big, but it wasn't that, like, big round. And I'm not just talking about the breasts on the Patterson one. I'm talking about the whole upper part of the body.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Patty's built like a vending machine. You know what I mean? Yeah. The refrigerator. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Yeah, did you ever tell anyone? Or, I mean, did it ever, I realize there's curiosity in this type of encounter, I could see wanting to see it again and wanting to experience it again because it really wasn't aggressive. I mean, it didn't do anything. But did you ever tell anyone about your encounter? I didn't for a couple years. And it's not because I was afraid of any reaction.

you know, or anything like that. It's just a lot of the people that I hung out with, my family included. There probably went to been a lot of interest in it, and I don't know if they would have believed me anyway. So I figured what's the point? But there were the first person that I actually told was my mother. You know, years later.

And she goes, well, you never told me that. I said, you know, it's like, I didn't think they would believe me, you know. But she did believe me. And she was asking me a lot of questions about it. And she really wanted to know why I didn't tell her when I was out there when it first happened. Yeah. And I can understand that. I can understand not wanting to tell family.

Did you ever go back to that area? Oh, yes. I mean, that was one of my favorite spots. I would love to fish Huntington Lake and I would set up camp there and, you know, I'd either fish or else I would take off on a hike. I would go off the beaten path, as it were. So I ran into a few interesting things, but, oh, yeah, I would, I definitely went back. And did you ever see it again? No, no.

I wanted to. I really did. there was something I wanted to I guess I wanted to somehow communicate with it and find out what it was you know it's stupid it sounds ridiculous but I did the the curiosity in me um it got the best of me now that being said if it was anything like some of these encounters that you've had on there where these people no way would I go back

there. I mean, I know these people aren't making up stories with what they saw because you can hear it in their voice, you know, when they're telling you on your podcast there. It's so bizarre, isn't it, with the behavior? I mean, it's so hit and miss, I think. Normally, when he start on an animal, usually it'll attack you. It'll run or attack you. Yes. Most predators will attack you. Oh, yeah. And, you know, its behavior was just like, well, I'm out of here. But you do hear that a lot, you know, where there's really no aggression. And then there's other times to where people do surprise them. And there is aggression.

They're bluff charge. They're, you know, they end up getting shot because there is aggression. And it's so weird how in some accounts you have aggression and other accounts, there's no aggression. They just want to leave. Right. It's so hard to figure out. What do you think that Sasquatch is, David? What's your opinion?

Oh, gee, I don't know. And I'm not one that really tries to figure it out. It just is. I don't know. I have no idea. I know it's not an ape. And it's not human. You know, it's neither.

So what is it? I don't know. I really don't have a clue. You know, I've been listening to some of those, what's that, nephium? whatever you're talking about. Oh, the Nephlam? Yeah. Yeah, and the Bible, you know, or the, you know, that. And, you know, that theoretically certainly makes sense.

And I don't know that I really buy the government experiment thing, you know, where they have captured them and did. That just doesn't seem right because these things have been reported for how many hundreds of years, you know, people have been seeing them. So do you think it's just like a natural animal? Is that kind of what your opinion is? No, no, no. I don't believe it's a natural animal either, you know,

because there is a feeling. If you see one, if you encounter one, I think anybody that has will know what I'm saying, there is a sense and it's not the fear factor, you know, and it's not the wonderment, you know, or curiosity, but there's something in you that says, this thing shouldn't be here. You know, this is not a, it's not natural.

You just sense that. You feel it somehow inside. And it's not a scary feeling. It's just like, okay, this is not, this is not something normal. It's not, you know, it doesn't belong here, but it is here. Yeah, I would agree with you.

And I think most people have seen him would agree with that statement. If I had never seen an ape and I ran across, let's say a gorilla, I wouldn't think there was anything, I don't think I would think there was anything odd about it, just an animal. No, it's an animal. But you're right. With these things, there is that weird sense in the back of your mind of this isn't right. This thing shouldn't be here. Something's not right. I mean, I think most people would agree with that.

I just, you know, in your encounter, there was really no aggression. I mean, and were you armed? I forgot to ask you. I was not. Nope. But, you know, something about this, too, about this guy that really was interesting was, you know, you're talking about it not being aggressive. It was not only not aggressive, but I know, okay, when it walked away and it kept its eyes locked on me, that was not out of fear. I know it.

It didn't feel threatened. it was just like, what the heck is that, you know? He was looking at me like, what, what is that thing? And I was looking at him like, what is that thing? You know, I think it was just as curious about me as I was about it. You know, and then like I said, when it got to the edge of the forest again, and I raised my hand and said, don't go. It turned, faced me fully and raised its hand up, you know, about a forese.

foot or so it was acknowledging that I had raised my hand you know and I thought that was like wow you know this is much more than an animal or something of that nature something else less that is puzzling to me now there have been how many reports of these worldwide hundreds and hundreds thousands, you know? And how many have, how many documented occurrences are there of these things killing a human being? They threatened. There has been a few. There has been a few times.

Has there? Okay, I don't, I, I haven't heard of any, but I'm not an expert either. There's even historical records of it. President, President, was it Roosevelt? He wrote, yeah, Teddy Roosevelt. wrote about one of these things killing. It was two miners out. I mean, there is reports of it, but not as many as you might think. Yeah.

Yeah. But then again, dead men don't speak either, so, you know what I mean? That is true. That is true. But with as many reports as there have been, and especially now when everything is so you can look up, this is how many have been, you know, and then, you know, look at how many have, you know, even have been attacked, you know, and gone further than a bluff charge or screaming at them and that kind of stuff.

It doesn't seem like there's that many. It's almost like there's something possibly programmed in them that they don't attack humans, but maybe not. Yeah, I think that they do, but I think it is, I mean, there's a lot of missing people-type reports. And I've had a lot of those on the show, too, as well, where I've covered, you know, guys out that are surveyors. And I can't remember the kid's name. But they all walk in a line. I had one of the guys who was on that job site and that he saw them. They encountered these creatures on this property they were working. And one of the surveyors was last in line. They were just talking to them. And when I say last in line, they're about 20 feet from each other as they walk in one big line.

he just vanishes. He's gone. And, you know, so I think there's a lot of situations like that where people are taken or very ambush-like tactics to where people are taken. But they always blame it on a bear. They blame it on, you know, even places where there isn't any bears. Sure. They'll report something and then it's, you know, it's in the papers as this and then it's forgotten. But there's been no official to come out and say, hey, a.

Sasquatch killed this guy, but there's been rumors of it. There's strange missing people, very odd reports that really don't make any sense. And so I think that they do, but I think some of it is if you engage them or not. I think if you shoot at one, you're going to have a fight on your hands. They seem... Yeah, and I wouldn't blame it. You know, if it wasn't attacking and you're getting shot at, I wouldn't blame it. But it's, yeah, just by my encounter, it's more fascination than anything. But I know that can be very, very dangerous, too, you know, because you can't expect, if you do encounter another one,

you can't expect to experience the same thing. It might get your head swapped off. Yeah, and I think that's the point. You know, not every encounter. There's a lot of people who have an encounter like. yours and say, well, the general forest giants, well, you ran into one. Doesn't mean the next one you run into a grizzly bear might turn and walk away from you too as well. Doesn't mean the next grizzly bear will. You never really know with these things. And they are very unpredictable.

I mean, when you hear of behaviors of, it's like Claire's encounter. I shouldn't be alive. 515. Very similar. She was standing up on a Rockledge and saw a whole family of them. She ended up dropping part of her camera that caught their attention. And when it got their attention, they came after her. It wasn't, you know, it didn't turn and just walk away. I think in your situation, you had the higher ground. I mean, you had it, even though you didn't have a weapon. And the fact that you didn't really freak out, you didn't scream, you didn't, you know, you were calm. So I think maybe this thing was calm. This is just my opinion, you know, it doesn't mean much. But it is fascinating how it just kind of turned and walked off, kind of had a surprised look, and then kind of kept an eye on you

and just walked off. Yeah, that's pretty much, pretty much the way it happened. It was, it was surprised, and I know it was curious when it walked off. It was, I'm sure it had the same look on its face that I did on mine, you know, the whole time we were looking each other. Yeah, you're both shocked. Yeah, it's very interesting. It is.

It is. And I can't thank you enough for coming on, David, and sharing it very much. Thank you so much for taking time. It was my pleasure. The elusive beast. I've searched everywhere for this creature from the top of mountains to the deep course of the Pacific Northwest. Witnesses describe him as a half-man, half-ape. Very hairy. He stinks.

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come across it? And what are some of the things that stand out that are bothering you? Well, like I said, we would have been looking for a log cabin for like eight years. Two years ago, we found this one. It sits on three acres. It's an actual log cabin. It's not, you know, a shack. It's, you know, if you go to Katahdin wood products, you can look up my house. That's where it came from. They shipped them all over the world. So anyways, you go up this road and you have to drive by a farm. And you have to drive through two cow pastures to get to the property. So it's, I mean, it's in the woods. In Maine, they have what they call right-aways through property, other people's properties. And that's a real. have to drive on someone else's property just to get to our property. So we're here. We don't live

here, obviously. I live on Cape Cod. And I only come here maybe once a month. And since I've been coming here, you know, I did not set out to find a cabin in the woods to find fast flat. Do you know what I mean? So that wasn't my thought. My thought was to have a place we really love and want to go to all the time. So we start coming up and right away, Like the first couple of days we were here, you know, you're like, it's kind of silent. It's so silent. Like no birds, nothing. So I thought that was a little peculiar.

And, you know, as months go by, we keep coming up. And next, I used to smoke. So I used to go outside all the time, even in the middle of the night. So I'd go out there in the middle of the night. And one night I hear, I mean, the loudest whoop. And I was just sitting on the steps, you know, and here, this. This cabin is off the grid as well, just so that it gives you an idea. And I only have little solar powered lights that light up when you cross in front of them, the motion sensor.

So I'm just sitting there, and I'm at probably maybe an acre away, I would say, maybe two acres at the most, that this thing came from. It was just so loud, though. I mean, you've heard them, right? Yeah, I've definitely heard the whoops. and it is alarming when you hear it. I mean, because it doesn't... It's so loud. Yeah. It's kind of a cross between like a person and an animal yelling.

But yeah, I get what you mean. I'd be creeped out by it. Well, this is what I do. I would just get up and walk in the house and close the door. And I said, and every time it happened, I would be like, well, if it's going to get worse or anything else, I'll hear it in the house. But never, I never heard anything from inside the house.

There was a time my sister came up. And she said it sounded like something was on the roof. She freaked out and left the next morning. She didn't even stay. I don't know anything about that other than what she just told me. Besides the

whoop, I was, same thing, went outside, same exact thing. I could, next to you know, this, I don't know if it was a tree knock because I've never heard one before, but it certainly sounded like one to me. And it was so loud as well. I should probably take a step back and explain how I even became a member.

of Sasquatch Chronicles and, you know, I was working 6 p.m. to 2 a.m. and I got out of work. Coast to coast was on. And there you were. So that's how I got introduced. So I started listening to all the episodes and I started learning a little more and learning about their behaviors and learning about this and what about that. And I said, you know, there's a possibility. All these people can't be, you know, these people have seen these things. And how did John Bend Naga put it. Everyone who sees one discovers it for him or herself. I had come up here with my grandson and my niece.

And they're, you know, they're kids. So I was like, all right, you're out here in the woods. You can scream, do whatever you want. Get it out of your system, you know. Do you want to yell at something, yell at something. So we had a great time. And then so I have a loft upstairs. I go upstairs.

My niece is downstairs. She comes upstairs within five minutes. She's like, Aunt you Linda, right here growling at my window. I'm like, what? She's like, yeah, something's growling outside the window. And I just thought, oh, she just wants to sleep with me. No big deal. Well, my grandson gets up and he's going to go investigate the property.

He goes investigates. Now, we're all back out on the porch again, and there's an orb floating in the trees. I'm just like a beach ball size orb. And we look at each other when I go, do you see that? They go, yeah, I see that. Do you see that? Do you see that? I'm looking at it.

I can't figure it out. Is it moving? No, it's just right in the middle of the two trees. So the next morning we get up and I say, all right, listen, guys, I want you to draw a picture of what you're seeing. And we're all going to go in different rooms. So we all drew a picture of what we saw, and all three of them were identical. So it was pretty cool, pretty interesting. So my grandson says to me, Mama.

you know that when you see orbs it's a sign that Sasquatches around? I'm like, what? I'm like, Tori, don't say that. Don't say that. So he stays up all night. I don't know if he had any encounters or any events, but he never said anything. You said it was just nothing went on. So then, now last September I was here

and that's when I fell and broke my back. So this summer, it's been really hot. I haven't really done much. So we came up here, the last weekend of August. And we leave it two in the morning, two, three in the morning to get here. And it's a six-hour drive. So by the time six o'clock comes around,

I'm pretty tired. So the first night, I hear this dog. And I thought, oh, great, the new neighbors, there was an elderly woman that lived at the end of the pasture. And they must have rented the house out to someone else. I don't know. But I thought, oh, great, They've got this dog and this dog's going to keep barking all night.

But within five minutes, if that, it sounded like the bark was changing. It was not a bark anymore. And then, this is so freaky. I call it the big one. He has that low tone voice. And it just started bellowing out. It sounded like there was a male and a female arguing. with this dog thing barking.

And I'm going, okay, I don't know what that is. It's none of my business. Can't understand a word they're saying, I'm going in. So I went in. Didn't think anything of it. It was like, yeah, a couple people arguing last night, no big deal. So I'm back out on the porch again, around 6 o'clock. Now, I had just gone for a walk down to my neighbors to see if she was home yet.

And she wasn't. And I had just walked, like I said, we have three acres and part of the acreage is the last acre in the front is a brook that runs through it. And I have a path that goes all around the property to walk on. And I had just done that as well. And I went and sat on this porch again. Deep in mind, I'm on three acres, but I'm probably surrounded by a thousand acres of just wilderness. and Daxter State Park is like an hour up the road. So which is, you know, all the way to Canadian border is just wilderness.

This probably was an acre from my front porch. And it was in my, on my path, basically, to the brook. Coming back from the brook, it was on there. And I swear to God it was almost the same argument. Like it sounded like word for word argument, over again. He, I keep saying he kept going, and the other one was going,

and I'm like, I can't, I kept going, I kept going, what? Like an idiot. I'm like, what? Hello? Is anybody there? And it's like, the five more minutes go by and they're still going out.

And next thing you know, it goes, first one, real subtle. Help me. I'm like, I'm like, what? I'm like, okay, I'm not even five feet tall. I have no weapons. I have a whistle, okay, and a walking stick.

I'm like, I can't do anything for anybody right now. I don't know what to do. And they start arguing again. And next thing you know, it goes even louder and longer. Help. This is so weird. Help me. And I knew right then in there.

I said, I just froze. I said, do not go out there. That is not human. That's not, those are not, There's no people down there. I was just there. And in Maine, you don't go on someone else's property. You just don't do it. So, and I'm like, there's no way. So then I was like, all right, I'm going to do it again. I'm going to go right back in the house. Go lay down. The next morning I tell my husband, he goes, why didn't you wake me? Somebody could be hurt.

I go, uh-uh, uh-uh. No, no. If you had gone out there, it wasn't going to be pretty. I just had that feeling that something wasn't right. If I went out there, it was bad news. Believe me, I feel like I wanted to go to the police station. I wanted to tell them there's somebody else they're saying, help me. I can't help them. So here I am, a month later, still here, standing my ground. Yeah, it's bizarre.

You know, I've heard a lot of weird vocalizations from these things. I don't know that I've heard help me, but I've heard really go, hello, hello. And I was on the Brown's property. And they would call Sarah's name. They would go, Sarah, Sarah. And so they do mimic. I mean, there's people where even the siege of Honabi, they talked to, the brothers talked about that, how they would actually, he said it sounded like his brother out there,

pulling to them. And his brother was gone. He was at work. He wasn't even there. And he said it was close, but it wasn't an exact, it was a little off, but it was close. You know, though, they know, you know, it's not, you know it's not that person, right? Am I saying that correctly, like, or making that right? Yeah. You just know it's not that person. I'm like, there's no people out here. Just like the Browns. There's no people, you know. I don't know what to make of it. It's a weird thing. It's a really weird thing.

And it bothers me because are they, is that something they've heard before? And why did they hear help me? And why are they repeating it? Are they trying to drag you out, get you out to come out to the, out to the world? To go down to the brook. Yeah. To go down to the brook.

I've heard that before. I mean, even the guy in Oklahoma, the old man, he said that it would call his dog, peanut. It would come out to the window. call his dog peanut trying to get the old man to come out that's my opinion i think you were trying to get the old man to come out i agree and my i spoke with my neighbors last night now they just bought the two acres next to hours this past fall last year so it's been almost a year but they've been they came up in the spring and due to one reason or another she ended up getting a job and

working in Bangor and commuting by herself and a pop-up tent all summer. I looked at her. I said, you are brave. I said, you know, did anything go, I mean, how did you do it? And she said, one night, it sounded like someone was at my window going, hey, hey, you know, I own a rougher voice. I said, what did you do? She says, I just covered my head with the blanket.

It's okay. So the next thing that happens to her, she got up and laughed. She said it sounded like, and I don't know why she used this description. I don't know what, she said, it sounded like a goat dying. And I don't know what that sounds like. I'm not even sure I could Google it safely. But that's what she said. I go, she goes, I got so scared I left like one in the morning.

She just left the camper. Yeah, bizarre. I know, right? I'm like, well, I'm glad I haven't heard a goat being killed. I've heard, you know what's weird is I've heard a lot of witnesses talk about pigs like a pig sound. And even places where they don't have wild hogs, I've had some witnesses go and then actually see the creatures afterwards. But they said it sound like a pig, like a wild hog. Wow, that's amazing.

In the brush. Yeah, that's bizarre. Have you, have you seen it? Anything odd? Have you walked around the property? I have. The next morning when we went down, they're looking for tracks, footprints, any evidence of human beings, you know, anybody dead, you know, that kind of thing. I found, like, six trees that were broken in a row at, like, anywhere from five feet to ten feet up. And they were all anywhere from two to three inches big, the trees in circumference. When you walk up the hill to go to the cabin, there was a big, big giant X in the woods.

But from the porch, you couldn't see it. You could only see it if you were in the woods and coming from that angle, that angle. So this morning I went down, showed my sister the trees, and the X is now gone. Nothing. It's gone. There's no more X. I'm like, okay, they must be mad at me. they took away their X, their location divide or whatever it is. I don't know. Yeah, it's strange when you start getting involved in this because, in my opinion, I think

you find out it's a lot weirder than what you originally thought. And, you know, I want to ask you about that orb. What color was that orb and how big do you think it was? We know that it was, I know, we all agree that it was about the size of a beach ball, you know, the good size beat, bigger than a basketball, beach ball. But it looked like a dull white light. And like it was pulsating. Then the light would come from the center and pulsate out and go back in,

pulsate out, that type of thing. And it was, I'm actually standing underneath the trees that it was in. It was probably 20 feet up in the air, just sitting there between the two trees. I mean, I even went inside the house and shut. curtain, shut every light off, because I didn't want, I want, if I could recreate it or interfere with it, I knew it wasn't, it was something to do with the house, throwing off an orb, you know, but nothing, no, nothing. It was still there. It was just hanging in there. And I think at one point, it just blinked out, I guess. I don't know. I didn't stay here. I don't

stick around. I leave. Well, it's so bizarre. And I've, said this in the past, a lot of times when people have these things on their property, they'll see the lights. I'll ask them, have you seen the lights? And most of the time, they'll see the lights before they see the creatures, which I don't really get. Eventually, they'll run into the creatures, but generally, they'll go on and on about these weird balls of light that they're seeing. I wonder why your grandson said that when they're around, the bigfoot's around. I don't know. I said, what, I was like, why do you say that? He goes, I don't know. I must have heard it on one of your shows. I said, okay. But, you know, because I, we don't have TV, so we just

listen to, you know, anything we can get. So, um, I hear you. But it's, it's so bizarre. It's, it's, it's, I mean, I could tell you about it. I went to Yellowstone and we were staying in Montana and we went for a hike up Yankee Jim Canyon. My husband is an artist and he was down below painting. My sister was taking a nap on a blanket next to him. And my son and my grandson and my nephew go up this hill, this mountain. And we get like three quarters of the way up. And all of a sudden, it is stone cold quiet, not a sound. And I looked at my son and he looked at me, he goes, do you feel that? I'm like, yeah, we need to leave. Something's not right. There's not a sound. nothing again nothing so we come down and my husband he goes did you feel that

now we're we're hiking up a mountain and he's down bottom and he's like did you feel that i'm like you felt it like i felt it i go swaskwatches around just jokingly you know not that i expected to hear that any of this what did you feel it just felt like there was a like a presence there that it was like like the air got really thick and and it was I'm like I'm looking around trying to see if there's like a cougar or something uh you know anything a grizzly a bit anything and I'm like there's nothing here it just felt like you were being watched almost you know and it's just we we practically ran down the mountain to get out of there yeah yeah well one question I'm really curious about the the the cabin

Now, how long ago, has a cabin been empty for a while before you guys moved down? It was. Good question. It was empty for about three years and it was never, ever used for other than a hunting lodge. It was never used permanently all the time. It was only used for hunting. I think they said it was vacant for three years before we bought it. I think between our activity and now their activity, you know, if they're, like if September's their month, to go passing through here. You know, I'm just guessing. I don't know anything. So because it seems like this is the time of year where things start happening, this in the fall is when you hear them or hear noises and, you know, that I didn't.

I mean, I've heard bodcats here. We have black bear here. We have turkeys in the front yard. We have pheasant. You know, we have all these different animals that you can hear and see. But nothing sounded like this. and I actually listened to the episode with Ron Moorhead and is it Scott Nelson? Does Sasquatch have a language?

Yeah. Yeah, Scott Nelson. And when you played that, the samurai chat of that one with the deep voice is so similar to what I'm hearing out here in these words. It's, it's my stomach sank when I heard that. And it's not like I haven't heard it a hundred times. I did, but in my mind, this could not be happening. Does that sound like, make sense? Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. I was like, I got not hearing these things. Yeah. It always happens to someone else or it shouldn't happen to me. I get it. Yeah. I'm like, no. Like, but when I listen

to that again, I'm like, oh my God, it's almost, almost identical just about just that tone, that tone and that and there's one line that he says that that one says it sounded I swear it was almost identical to what this one said and I said listen to me I don't know I mean what are they doing out there right I don't know it's freaky though what portion of it sounded like the one you're hearing do you remember yeah it was the one he kept going um when the other one the little the younger one with the high voice the older male the bigger male I guess it was is what I think Ron said. The big guy, I think he called him.

And he would be doing that, whoa, you know, I'm like, I'm like, that's not a bear, you know. That's definitely not a black bear. That's definitely not a cat. You know, I'm like going to the list of, you know,

critters that are out here and I'm going, nothing, you know, like, that's not a porcupine. But there was three of them. And that's what threw me off was more so that, or led me to go towards Sasquatch because the three, the two going back and forth on the stupid barking thing that didn't sound like a bark after two barks. After the first two barks, it sounded like my husband actually heard it yesterday morning. He said it barked at him and then he said it started sounding like a monkey. And I said, what?

I'm like, that was yesterday morning. And this is broad daylight. Like, this is not at night. This isn't, you know, there's no, it's not even in darkness yet. Yeah, one of the things that's pretty troubling is that it's saying, help me. Now, if we go with the theory that they're mimicking us, that means it heard us say, help me. Right. That's what I was thinking.

Yeah. I'm like, oh, my God. Who did they hear that? Well, I've heard a lot of mimics where they'll go, hello, hi, hello. you know, I've heard that from hunters to where there was one in particular to where he whistled at one. And he thought it was a guy in a gilly suit. And he goes, hello, in a real deep, raspy voice backed him. It goes, hi, when he got a double look at it, he was like, that's not a man.

That's something else. No, I mean, these, I'm sure you've heard it before. These forests are so thick here. You know, you can't, the leaf litter is so deep. There's no, you, you would never see a footprint unless they stepped in the brook. We started clamming out the back half of the acreage. And I said, we're going to clear, I have a hunting burr, whatever you call it, or archery. I want that clare it out.

And I said, but that section up front, we're only keeping that path. That's for them. I don't want them coming into the open, you know. Yeah, I hate to say it. I think you'll eventually end up seeing them, Linda. I mean, it sounds like they're around that property. And it usually starts this way with most people. And most people will say, well, it's haunted.

I mean, I've heard that a million times from people that say, well, it's haunted. And I'm like, well, why is it haunted? And they'll say. I live in a house that's over 250 years old. And let me tell you about ghost. You know? No, I believe it up there, I mean. I believe it.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's actually though I had a house that was a Sears Craftsman house that my son has now. And I would see the lady sitting on the porch in a rock and chair that I don't have. And then I would see her husband working at the two bench that he built in the basement that, you know, there's no tools at. You know, it was a folding table for me. But I'm like, okay, so I know what ghosts look like. I know what they sell like.

I'm like, these are not ghosts. Yeah, I think a lot of people think it's ghosts because. Because they'll, like, they'll have banging on the house in the middle of the night. They can't figure out why. Or they'll have weird, like, you know, like your sister saying something ran across the roof. Right. And a lot of people look at that and go, well, it's, it must be goes. Because it can't be Sasquatch, because Sasquatch isn't real.

So it must be goes. Exactly. Right. Right. I'm going, there's no way. There's no way I'm thinking. My husband goes, you really want to see when I said, no, I really don't. Because I, again, I don't.

really care to see something eight feet tall that could break me in half with, you know, one look, you know? I'm like, no, I don't, I don't, everything I've heard, this is, you don't want to see one. So as this was happening, I'm sitting there with my eyes closed and I wear glasses and I just can't stand them. So I put them on my head all the time. And I was like, don't open your eyes. I did not want to see what was at the tree line. I did not want to look at the tree line because I'm like, no, I don't want to see one. So I finally opened my eyes and realize I didn't have glasses on so I couldn't see anyways. It was hysterical. I'm like, oh my God, I don't want to see. But there was nothing there. I mean, there was nothing.

But thank God they weren't. They didn't come out. Well, let me ask you. What do you think that Sasquatch is? I mean, I realize you haven't seen one yet, but you have, you're experiencing stuff that's very typical of Sasquatch behavior. What's your opinion? Well, I believe that it is in its own category. It's itself. We don't question what an elephant is. We don't question what a lion is. It's got to be some kind of breed between human and ape. I mean, it's just, but it's itself. It's its own, what is the good word for that? It's in its own little genre, I guess, category, right? Its own, I don't think it's, I don't know about that whole biblical thing and the Nephilim and all that. So I can't even go down that road. But I just think it's its own thing. It's just a beast.

It's just another thing in the forest that's alive and well. And, you know, some people believe, I have a great family, by the way. They all support me in this. They tolerate me and listen to Sotsquatch Chronicles with me. Yeah. But, um, well, you know, it's one of those things to where, like I said, I think you're eventually going to see them. I think they're eventually going to make a mistake. And, you know, little kids like your grandson, your granddaughter, I think it was your granddaughter, telling you, oh, something's scrawling at the window.

Kids don't make things up like that. They're not going to sit and say something's growling at the window unless something's growling at the window. I was like, oh. Yeah. And so it might have been coming up. And you hear about them coming up to kids' windows all the time. Yeah. Well, my grandson went right out there, right, walked around the whole house, so. But he said he didn't see anything, you know. And I know the neighbors have heard the barking too. They're like, I go, it's not really a dog, though. It's not a dog. Whatever it is, it's not a dog. I don't know. I don't know what it is. You have to keep me up to date. If you ever look up a gorilla barking, that's the closest thing that I could say, because I've heard the barking. before and you're right it's not quite a dog it's off right it's off right but if you look up a gorilla barking because they do bark um it's very similar to that and i'm not again i'm not saying saskwashed as a gorilla i'm saying it's very similar to that type of vocalization it's definitely doesn't sound like a canine it sounds different exactly i was i was really freaked out and i decided you know and you know when we started coming up here i just knew

I was like, we, we, my husband's part Native American and he, we do the, he does the sage and the tobacco and we always bless every, you know, the house when we get here and try to claim it as our own. And, and that's what I'm doing. I'm just like, this is mine, you know. I don't know what else to do. I mean, like I said, I have the spotlights, but that's about it. I don't really have anything else. usually the spotlights will stop them from coming up if you have motion detention or you know i do um and the other thing that really works too is if that they that doesn't stop them

um and for whatever reason i don't have a great answer but if you buy trill cams and sometimes the cheaper the trill cam the better um it seems to keep them away and why i don't know uh but it does seem to keep them away it's definitely an interesting creature. Very interesting. Yeah, it's a mystery. It's very strange, very odd. And, you know, when I ask people what I think, what do you think Sasquatch is, you get a lot of different answers. And, you know, most people can or may not necessarily be wrong on their answers. But it does seem like it falls somewhere in the gray area between a man and an animal, which is so bizarre because there's nothing else on the planet that is like that. To me anyway, I mean, people might say a gorilla, but I don't see a man when I look at a gorilla, and I don't see a man when I look at a chimpanzee. But there's a lot of situations where people look at this thing, and they go, well, remind me of a man, just a big, hairy, giant man. Right, right. Which is bizarre.

Well, I needed to tell you, because the property next to mine was sold in Maine, because there's now two residents here, we have to name the road and my neighbors included us in that and we all agreed it would be called, I think you're going to love this, it's called Paymula Path. And Paymula comes from the episode you had on

when Brock, is it Bill Brock from Maine? He does, he's doing. He talked about Paymuller on Mount Katodin and then what it means is the keeper of the mountain aka Sasquatch. So my neighbors absolutely love it and they're going to name it Paymoola Path. Interesting.

So yeah. So Paymoolopath thanks to Wes, we're going to have it named permanently. There you go. Well, that's pretty cool actually, especially since you get to name the road. But do me a favor. Keep me up to date.

Let me know if anything else happens out there. I will. It doesn't sound like it's going to be quieting down anytime soon. No, no, especially now. Well, they're putting in a catwalk, so to go from one loft to another loft, instead of using ladders to protect me. Because that's how I fell. I was going up in the loft, and I just missed the step and fell seven feet and broke my back. Oh, geez.

Oh, yeah. I've had a broken back since I was 13 years old, so it's just normal. Yeah. It's just what I deal with. just so frustrating but well do this for me keep me up to date i will i really appreciate you coming on oh thank you for having me west it's been a pleasure the pleasure was all mine thank you again linda and that's it for tonight everyone remember if you've had an encounter shoot me an email my email address is west at saskwatch chronicles dot com if you get a chance to check out saskwatch chronicles

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