Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:597 Bigfoot Odyssey

Episode Date: November 3, 2019

Kerry Arnold of "Bigfoot Odyssey" returns to the show and it has been so long since I have had him on he recounts his encounter again. Kerry shares what he has learned since his encounter and also an upcoming expedition he has in Florida. its going to be a great follow up show!   Check out Kerry's YouTube channel "Bigfoot Odyssey" here.

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show planned for you tonight. We'll be talking to Carrie Arnold from the Bigfoot Odyssey. If you get a chance to check him out on YouTube, he does a very good job. Bigfoot Odyssey on YouTube, subscribe, like to it. Carrie does a lot of cool work. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows.

Carrie Arnold, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being here. Man, thanks for having me on, Wes. Yeah, I appreciate you coming back. You know, I know we did an interview already. And as I was telling you, man, I was sick. And that man cold is a real, it's a real thing, man. And I'm a big wimp when I get sick.

It's, uh, I was telling Carrie my secret to, uh, feeling better is a couple shots of night cool, couple shots of day quill, first thing in the morning. And it'll get you up and get you out of bed. But, you know, the last show I was grumpy and I spent more time complaining about Bigfoot researchers. And I respect Carrie. I actually really do like Carrie. And I think him and I, uh, Carrie, I think, um, Carrie, I think,

you and I are a lot of like in kind of how we do things and what got us to the point we're at in our lives. Absolutely. Tell us about the Bigfoot Odyssey channel. What made you start that for people who might never heard of it before or might go check it out on YouTube? Well, you know, it was a process. You know, it kind of turned into what it is now. after I'd had had my encounter, our confrontation, is what I'd rather call it, I'd changed everything.

You know, I didn't go back in the woods. I had no plans to ever go hunting again. I wasn't going back. I just wanted to put it down and not think about it. Move on. I'm not telling anybody about this. It's just, I mean, nobody was going to believe me anyway, right? Because I didn't know anything.

I didn't know anything about Bigfoot until I actually started. started looking into it a little bit. And by the time I think I'd figured out enough about them, what we all generally know now anyway, I had already, it'd already been a couple of years of me just suppressing it and then putting it down. And like I said,

it changed everything for me enough to where I changed how I treated people. Even it was, because I didn't want to be around people for a long time. I was just, I was sucking, feeling sorry for myself. I put myself out in these woods for so long. Having to, I had to change everything or just, I couldn't go back to it. So I had to change everything. So that meant being around people more.

And, you know, even now, I know a little else about them. And I really don't care if I learn anything more than that they exist. What I do care about is the truth and that they're everywhere that we're not. And at least not that often. But I do care about other people. To go through the years of stress and anxiety that I experienced, without ever being told or shown that these beings are all too real. And I spent the last few years preparing for a push for awareness.

And the beginning of it was research. I tried to research. I got out with a group from South Florida. got me out in the woods. It just wasn't for me. I was, I was having a lot of, a lot of anxiety and and, uh, just, this build up. It was, it was just trying to come out, I guess, for me suppressing it. Wake up screaming, talking to people in my sleep. My wife wakes me up, you know, and have these recurring dreams that Bigfoot's after me. So she suggested that I, that I do something with it. And so I did, you know, I got a hold of the research group down in South Florida. I went out with them,

man, it just, it wasn't for me. I was just, it wasn't so much of fear as I was just uncomfortable. I just wasn't comfortable with it. I didn't really want to be around them. I didn't trust them enough, I guess, to be around them. And my body reacted to it a lot. So that wasn't going to work. So she suggested that we do interviews, you know, and I was like, well, what kind of interviews?

Like, well, we can tell people's story. Well, you know, there's a lot of that. Now, Sasquash Chronicles is out there. And, you know, there's several people out there doing this. She's like, well, we can do it on video. We'll go to their place and we'll do that. It's like, okay, well, if I'm going to do that, I'm not just going to tell their encounter story. I want to hear everything from the whole Odyssey, which is why we call it Bigfoot Odyssey.

You know, their whole journey through it or journey dotted with notable experiences, from indifferent or non-believer to eyeballs deep, everything that happened in between. So that's what it started out as. And, you know, we got, our very first show was in Missouri, got told his story, and it just kind of evolved from there into what it is now. And we, I stole our format from, we were watching a movie, the old Highlander movie, Christopher Lambert, 1985 or 86, whenever it was. You know, he would, he would be sitting on the couch and he would think back to 15, 14, or 1783 or whenever. and come back and forth, you know, to the couch, and it kind of gave me an idea that that's what we would do, something similar. We would do the interview, and then we would cut back and forth to the pertinent parts in the field. When they start to talk about these things in the field, then we'll cut to the field, and we'll show what's happening there.

And then we'll cut back to the interview, and it's our niche. It's our format, and it kind of works out for us a little bit. Most people seem to be enjoying it. and then not knowing how to edit a single stitch of film, that was a learning process. And it's just, it's come along, you know,

along the way. The last three or four, I'll say episode eight, maybe eight, nine, 10, 11, and 12 are,

are our true format and how we, how we do things. But that's how he came about, you know, the whole encounter thing. Like you said, not much different than what happened to you. And,

and, as far as the way it made me feel, and, and just, having to look into it. Most of it was, I think, foundation for myself, but I never found any.

Can I ask you, don't you find that very common with people who have encounters? You mentioned nightmares, and you'll find if people really will open up to you, a lot of times they'll tell you that, that I have this reoccurring dream.

It's not really my encounter, but I had this reoccurring dream, Sasquatch is trying to kill me. I mean, it's chasing me. And I find that very common with a lot of witnesses. It definitely causes a PTSD. It definitely causes a stress and anxiety.

And, you know, your encounter really wasn't. It's not like he held you down and was beating the crap out of you. But it was a terrifying encounter. And I don't think, I don't think, I really think it's irrelevant whether the encounter is aggressive or not. I think it affects people in a very bizarre way, you know, like seeing something that shouldn't exist. Well, I've said this. And I'll always say this. I don't believe that we are emotionally equipped to handle being in front of them face-to-face.

I just don't think that we're equipped, like I said, emotionally. And he was angry at me, but I think most of what scared me was not knowing. You know, when I saw this thing, you know, one of the things that I was thinking was, man, people see this thing all the time. They just don't live to tell about it. you know, this has to have happened before. You know, I can't be the only one that this has happened. I've never heard of anything like this happening anybody because, of course, I didn't look into it. And not knowing anything about them, I mean, anything that acts like they want to kill you,

I'm going to assume it wants to kill me. And as far as far away as I was it. And like I said, not knowing all these strange things that had happened to me out there that come pouring back, things that I had suppressed, really. It really affects you. Yeah. And I want to come back to your encounter if you don't mind telling you again. I know you've told it to me three times now.

But I love your encounter because, you know, what really fascinates me is you'll hear a lot of people. And I hear this in the South a lot, like in Texas and some of these other places. And they'll say, well, an African-Americans coming in and peeking at my window at night. And it's like, what are you talking about? and but I think a lot of times people try to make sense of, and obviously they're saying African-American because sometimes Sasquatchez is kind of that black and sometimes they look human-like. And so I can understand hopefully all that came out right. You know, the day and age we live on wherever one gets offended.

I didn't mean to offend anyone with that, but I'm saying a lot of times people will say that. And I think they're trying to make sense of it instead of looking at this going, that makes no sense at all. Why would a black guy come look in your windows? You live in the freaking middle of nowhere. And just like your encounter, you know, it was an African-American family. You guys were all buddies. And they said, yeah, you know, go out and hunt this land. And then, and I want you to go more into the encounter. But I could see, I would have that same opinion if I was in your position to where I'd go, oh, that's one of the family members. That's until it doesn't add up. And I want to talk more about Bigfoot. But for the audience,

because they love encounters and I love your encounter, Kerry. Would you mind telling it? Yeah, not at all. I'll give the summarize. I won't go through all the beginning stuff as much. But, you know, essentially I had leased this property from this family for seven years and I was on it day and night. I mean, at least 300 days a year I was out there doing something,

developing it, camping out, whatever. and I had actually found where some turkeys were, which I had never found before out there during deer season. And so I went, I found a place I was going to turkey hunt the next turkey season. So I did. I found a nice little clear spot, got it all prepared and burned it off about a week or so before I'd actually gone out there to hunt. Just turkeys like that. And I think they had actually been in there before I had come to hunt because I burned it. But I got that particular morning, I got in there early, parked my four wheeler in the front,

walked all the way back in there, 800 yards, right at half a mile back to where I was hunting. And I got set up, and I'm all camoed out because you got to hide from turkeys. You know, don't even blink because if they see you, it's over, you know. So I get sat up, and I had Galberry bushes that I had cut and moved out into this clearing, where I'm sitting on this clearing, I always explain it like it's a football field. Just to give people a better visual, if you look at this little square like it's a football field,

east to west or end zones, north to south would be sidelines. The south side line drops off straight off into a creek bottom. It's like a two-tier creek bottom. It drops off into the first level, and then it goes for a little while and drops off into the creek bed. And that kind of wraps all the way around the south, and then up, it gradually grades up to the east end zone there, around the southeast corner.

and I'm sitting in the northwest corner where I can see out all the way out across. I can see down the north sideline really well. And I stepped it off to the edge. It was 72 feet from where I was because I needed to know, you know, how far my shot was going to be. So I'm sitting there and I start to call and probably call for the better part of two hours. And I can't. It was a beautiful day when the sun finally did come up. It was a bright sunny day, March of 07, early spring.

ring. And I actually got, I'm hitting this locator, which is something, you know, you shake it. It sounds like a young turkey goblin, and it usually will get beard goblers to answer back. It's called a locator for that reason. So I'm boxed call, and I got to chirp in my mouth, and I'm trying to sound all sexy. And I finally get, you know, a call back. And it's, it's another Jake, or two. I can tell because Jake's don't finish it.

They just kind of halfway gobble and then, you know, they don't finish it on out. So I least them getting some action, right? And then I finally get where I can see Turkey's coming. And I can see them. They're coming all up this wide game trail that's just off the northwest corner. I can see all the way down it until it just fades off down the hill. They're coming up the game trail and they're coming all through the woods. There, coming up that little shallow grade.

And it's a bunch. I can't tell how many it is at this point. But it's a lot of turkeys, a bunch of hens and young jakes. So I'm excited. I actually get my gun up and ready for, they're getting close to coming into this little clear spot I've got. Well, when they get probably 30, 40 feet from coming into the clearing, they stop. And then the ones right there in the front that I could see, they perk their head up and then just gone. They all just exploded out of there to the north, to my left.

And I mean, I can see it's about 30 turkeys at this point. And I'm upset, you know, obviously I couldn't believe they had seen me. You know, I was being pretty still. And about the time that I couldn't hear them anymore, I could hear what sounded like somebody, like footsteps, out across from me in that creek bed, that first tier down there. Because there's this full of deciduous trees, there's dead leaves all over the ground. you know, anything walks through there, you're going to hear it. But it sounded slow and like two legs. So I stood up and I looked.

And I didn't really see. When I first stood up, I couldn't see. And I remember grabbing the net, the mesh that I had over my face. And I pulled it down over my chin. And I'm looking. And then I realized that the turkeys had a direct line of sight to whoever that is or whatever that is down there. And that's what scared the turkeys off.

So now I'm kind of asking. aggravated and then finally I get to see who it is and it's a black guy and I can see just about from the top of his shoulders up I'm looking through thicket and he's he's looking at me and I didn't really dawn on me that that he knew where I was but he was looking in my direction anyway and it's probably 130 feet away through the thicket there and I'm because he's down you know on that second tear. And he looks like he's walking really slow, like he's tired, you know, like he's lumbering. And what he would do is come up. He would come up close to the edge and he would snap his head and look at me and then look back where he's going. And he snap his head and look back where he's going.

So I'll wave my hand at him. Like, I'm right here, you know, don't shoot at me. I won't shoot at you. And then I think I lost him for a minute there. He had to have walked away from me at some point. While he was doing that, while I could still hear him out there, there's this huge pine tree behind me. And I plop my back up against it. I put my right foot up on it like I was cool, you know, like Fonzie. And I had my shotgun. I put it, I had a Benelli, three and a half inch, 12 gauge automatic, and I had the plug in it, which was abnormal for me. I didn't usually, you know, I was a bit of an outlaw.

And I probably just because the gun came with the plug and I never took it out. But I had three shots, highbrass number four, turkey shot. and I put it down to my left, hand around the grip, and I put my right hand up over the butt, wrapped around just like a boat paddle. That way. And, you know, a non-aggressive, I'm not going to shoot at you position.

And I can still hear him. And I couldn't tell if he was getting farther away or not, but he had to have. He had to have gone away from me and gone around that point and back up. Because the next time I can really see him, I see him coming up towards me. And I'm looking at him,

and he doesn't look quite right. I still didn't attribute it. To me, it's still a guy. He's about to be up close. And I'm about to know exactly what's going on with this guy. And I'm looking, and it looks like he's wearing camouflage. That's what I thought at the time. I was like he was wearing camouflage.

His arms were dark, but his body looked like he had on some kind of camouflage. He looked like a really fat black dude wearing a bunch of clothes. Like he had on a thick coveralls and maybe like a camouflage. vest or something. I mean, I'm thinking amateur. You know, this guy's out here hunting. I'm really upset now because if he's wearing camouflage, he's hunting. This amateur out here doesn't know what he's doing. Probably got lost. You know, these are the things that, that I'm working out, what I'm not going to say to him because he's coming my way. So I'm kind of paying attention to him, you know, looking around and waiting. Like I said, he's like he's lumbering, like he's slumped over and tired. is the impression that I got. Well, about eight feet down that southeast corner, there were two pine trees, 10-inch pine trees, 25 feet tall, half-grown, maybe three feet apart from each other. And the one on the inside, closest to the west, he gets about 10 feet maybe away from it,

and he reaches his hand out to grab it. And that was the first real moment that I noticed something was not right, because I could I could see, I didn't know what I was looking at, but I could see the skin, the dark gray skin on the inside of his arm. The hair was not as thick on the inside of his bicep, but his forearm was huge, like an NFL football, was massive. Still, didn't register that this is anything other than a person, but it looks funky. It looks weird. So he reaches out and he grabs that tree and he pulled himself right up to it. And then as soon as he did, he put that tree right in his shoulder.

And he stood up and squared up. And when he stood up, he looked a whole lot bigger than he did when he was walking up. I mean, still, he looked like he was a big dude. This was something different. And there was kind of a few seconds there. It's this moment of transition because immediately he opens his mouth and starts making the most unnerving sound I'd ever heard in my life. It sounded like multiple sets of vocal boards. And I could tell he was angry.

He was really upset. Well, at this point, I know exactly what it is. This is a Sasquatch. This is what everybody's been seeing in the woods and calling a Sasquatch. Well, I'm completely and totally freaked out now. I mean, I can feel the blood rush from my face. And I can feel, I describe it as a true sinking feeling like dread. Like somebody who's just poured a bucket of cold water.

over your head and you're just, oh, you know, like, oh, it's this. Well, he's making this noise and it sounds like language. Because it's got form and syntax. It's like syllables, but it's not anything I can understand. And he would get really loud. He would get, I mean, and then mumbled. And then get loud again. Well, I'm completely, like I said, petroph.

and I'm still in this position. And what I thought was camouflage looks like mud. He had mud. It didn't have it on his arms or his face, but it was all over his right side and a little bit across his chest. And he had leaves and twigs and his hair. I mean, his hair was matted up. I could see his dark gray skin,

which was lighter than his face. His face was just black. And I could see all that. And, I mean, I just, I knew that this had to be what this is. And he wasn't all muscled up, you know, like Schwarzeneggered up. He was barrel shaped. Like Paul White, Big Show, the wrestler, built just like that, except his head is not sitting up. His head is sitting down in front of his shoulders.

And he's maybe six, six, nine, six, ten could be seven foot. I don't think he was over that because I'm six, four. And he was just about as tall as me. standing down that grade. And he's 80 feet away. I know it's 72 feet to the edge. He's another 8, 10 feet down there. So I see everything clearly.

You know, there's sage grass, about two-foot-t tall sage grass in front of him. So I can't see a lot of his legs. I can see a little. I don't really notice genitals or anything like that. But he's got his, he's holding on to this tree and he's bitching at me. You know, that's what it feels like. I just, I don't know. I didn't, I knew I wasn't,

going to run. I knew better, I guess, than to do that. And I don't even know if I could have moved at that point, but I think I just, I got the nerve to just want to get my hand down on the grip. And all this is happening in just a few seconds. So I'll start to ease my hand down to get it on the grip of the gun. And when he saw that, he didn't like it. He got really upset. He started rocking back and forth, I mean, really fast rocking back and forth. And he blew at me, like it wasn't a yell. It was just like, like, no, you know, you're not putting your hand on that gun.

He saw what I was doing. Well, I think just about the time I got my hand on the grip is when I felt it because it shook me, it shook my spine, it shook my liver. And it startled me. And I guess that was enough for me to move. And I took about three or four quick steps off into that clearing, still looking at him, and I got ready. My gun still pointed at the ground.

I didn't point it at him. But I'm there. If he's coming at me, I'm going to be able to shoot him, hopefully hurt him, and then reload while I'm running. This is one of the things that went through my miles out. How am I going to kill this thing? I'm going to have to fight this thing all the way out of here if I'm going to make it out because he's that upset with me. Well, now that I'm out from under the limbs, the tree that I was leaning against, now I can see the top of the tree that he's holding on to. and it's whipping back and forth. I mean, three people couldn't have done what he was doing to this tree.

And he wasn't shaking it. He was just rocking back and forth and still holding on to it. So it was inadvertent. He wasn't just trying to shake this tree, I don't think. I think he could have pulled it up and threw it at me. But that really scared me. I think that was one of the more terrifying parts, was moments of this, of all this, was seeing him do that and seeing just how powerful this thing.

is and the size of his forearm was so much bigger than his bicep. He was just really, really misproportioned, barrel-shaped body. He was as wide at his hips as he was at his shoulders. He was just straight up and down. So I thought it was a fat person, but essentially, I thought this was just a big 400-pound, you know, probably 6'3, 6'4 black dude, you know, that was out here lost. But seeing what it is now, I'm mortified completely. So I'm still standing there. And he stops rocking back and forth. He rolls his lips back and showed all of his teeth and stuck his tongue straight out through his teeth, just at a point, straight out, not at me, but just out. And I got a good look at his teeth in.

He had long canines on top and bottom, not really long, but still longer than his other teeth. And he had a gap right in his two front teeth, like Michael Strahan Gap. So that happened. He went back. He stopped the rocking. He did that. He did that little mumble growl maybe for a couple more seconds. And then he stopped.

He took his hand off the tree and he turned his body to the right. I don't even, doesn't even, to me, it didn't seem like he had moved his feet at all. He just turned his body and he cocked his head to the side like a dog. Like he didn't turn his head. He cocked it to the side while he was quartered to me. Never took his eyes off me. who's looking across his shoulder and down his nose at me.

And he took probably three or four steps toward that game trail. I could still see him really clearly, but it was still thicket there, but I could still see him very clearly. And then he turned and walked dead away from me through the thick of stuff out there where I couldn't see him. And I could still hear him very intently walking away. He wasn't like he was trying to sneak off.

he was taking big steps and walking away. And I'm watching. I'm trying to get, you know, I'm still trying to look, and I keep looking to my left because it feels like there's something, something's telling me to look to my left,

because there's still some pretty thick stuff right, pretty close to me where I was. So he gets, I'd say he gets probably 50, 60 feet down into the bottom. I think he's probably all the way down in that bottom. and that's when he yelled. And when he yelled, it sounded like, I describe it as a whip because it was very abrupt. It was a buildup and then stop, just wow.

But it was so loud and powerful. I mean, once that happened, there was not another sound in the woods. And then once he did that, why he did that, maybe it's because I was still standing there, I don't know. But I still stood there for quite a while, at least a couple of minutes. maybe not quite that long, but it seemed like a long time because I didn't want to turn my back on him. I didn't want to because I had to leave going the other direction. So finally, I can, I start to feel myself breathing. I can take a long, deep breath.

I start to feel my heartbeat. And I'm starting to get this like tunnel vision, like heat on the periphery, which my wife, Linda, told me later, adrenaline will do that to you. It'll give you that kind of. that kind of tunnel vision. So I'm pretty sure that's what was happening. But that was the point where I decided, okay, I turned around and I grabbed my backpack. I walked over and grabbed my backpack and I left everything else laying there. And I took a few steps and I stopped and I was going to take the plug out and put two more in it. But I decided no, I don't want to get caught in that

position. So I took three shells out of my pocket and put them in my left hand and walked out. I would take really short, quick steps and stop and listen to see if I heard anything following me. We did this the whole way out. And I never, I don't remember a ton of the way out. I remember doing a lot of praying. Made a lot of promises to the good Lord that I've kept to this day. Promise I'd never kill another animal for any reason, not intentionally. I've kept that one.

If he would get me out of here, you know, Fault So praying, obviously. But there was still this one place. that I was worried about getting by because I always got creeped out there. And as I'm walking out, all these things are coming back to me, you know, that had happened. I'm like, these things have been out here around me the whole time. That's what this has been, you know, that I'm thinking the voices that I've heard was that, which I thought were people coming down the road talking that I'm yelling at. This was them, you know.

And nothing else made any sense until you add them to the equation. But I get past this part, this part, and I'm good. And it turns and goes up a hill and about 200 feet, there's my four-wheeler. While I get to the crest of this hill and it's started to open up, I can see my four-wheeler, I can see the road, and I'm starting to feel a lot better about making it out. So I stopped, and I stopped and I turned around to look. And the second I stopped, as soon as I got turned around, I heard that very distinctive tree break. It was either a tree or a tree limb, but it was fresh because it was that crackle-up. pop because I heard that.

It's kind of like a rifle going off. And that's the point where I ran. I ran. I got on my four-wheeler. And another very terrifying moment was not being able to go forward. I remember this so vividly, getting on my full-wheeler and putting my shotgun across in front of my legs. But the way I'd part, I couldn't go forward. I had to back up toward where this tree break was.

to get out and I just knew, you know, this was, I made it this far and now he's got me. But I did. I made it and I drove down the road, turned left to go to the house, I pushed my folder up next to the house where I would normally load my four-wheeler up. I pushed it up. I got to my truck, grab my 7mmmm rifle out of the back. I made sure it was loaded, because it usually was. And I sat there for 15, 20 minutes at least watching that tree line because I couldn't, I, I, I couldn't, I didn't feel like I could drive. I think even when I did drive away, finally, I might have done 40 down interstate.

And I do remember breaking down a few times. But just remembering all of these strange things that I had gone through out there over the years and running into these things, just not knowing what it was. You know, it's always attributing it to something else. Yeah, it's fascinating. And you hear a lot of hunters do that. I mean, I've talked to a lot of them where you look back and you go, oh, that's what that was, especially after you see one. And, you know, I honestly, Carrie, and I've heard your encounter several times, and I love it every time because, you know, for the audience listening, if you haven't had a chance, go check out Bigfoot Odyssey on YouTube. But Carrie's actually a pretty big guy, not a guy that I don't think would get too terrified in most situations.

And I'm right there with you, man. I mean, I know exactly what you're talking. The tunnel vision, it definitely. you become like hyper-focused on everything. And it's almost on the edge of not being focused on anything. But you're right on the edge of where you're hyper-focused on everything. That would definitely terrify me. Now, when he came up, I know, and you and I can talk about this later,

but we talked about what we think Sasquatch is. And obviously everyone has their own opinion and no one's wrong and no one's right. Someone might be right, but no one's wrong because we don't know. Did he look human in the face? I know you're talking. And for the audience, this was 2007 in Mississippi. And the family that owned this area, that owned this land, was an African-American family. But when you're looking at him, what kind of stood out in his facial features?

Was there anything? Can you describe the face as far as what you saw? Oh, yeah. He had, his head was shaped like a football. He had a very pronounced crest and a really long face. Very large, round ball-like cheeks. His nose was kind of wide, but it was pointed, but it was pointed down like Scotty Pippen. I always said, if you want to look at what his nose looks like, it looks like Scottie Pippen's nose.

And really, really wide mouth, no forehead. And I don't know if it was because he was angry at me. but his had like diamond-shaped brow, like really high on the outside and, you know, to a point, but I don't know if it's, like I said, because he was just acting like he was mad at me or whatever, but he had no forehead. His hairline started right there above his really pronounced brow.

I couldn't see his eyes that I can remember. I don't remember seeing his eyes because it was just dark, you know, that deep set eyes. Really, really white teeth, at least there was. were white in contrast to the rest of him because his face was so dark black like it was grease paint shiny shiny black leather looking face and yeah just looked like a person essentially that means ugly obviously he wasn't the prettiest guy in the world but you know when you don't have a frame of reference for anything else this is what my brain is telling me

this is. It's a person until obviously all the rest of the signs added up. But I wish I would have had somebody directing me or even forcing me to look closer at the world around me because I thought I knew everything, man. There's not one thing that you could have told me about the woods that I wouldn't have just loud or just kind of scoffed and said, okay, whatever. I was just that arrogant. I was arrogant enough to get myself lost a few times. Yeah, I hear you. I can relate to that. I can definitely relate to that.

But all the things that I heard, the truck I heard coming through the woods that and then stop suddenly was a pissed off buck, you know. The sticks and half pine cones dropping all around me when I walked through the pines, you know, was a red squirrel, you know, with a bad grip. Or the very distinct sound of biopial steps was some animal that I was a out to see at any moment, but never did. And then the owl that I heard, it sounded like a guy trying to sound like an owl was just an owl with like a sore throat or whatever.

But that knocking, that rhythmic knocking I heard all around me, even off in the distance I would hear it. And I actually rationalize this way. This is a buck. And he's hitting some bamboo. That went through my head. Yeah. Or somebody hammering on something up at the house.

But they were doing it all the time. As soon as I would get off my folder, I would hear this knocking for years. I heard it. And I think they were just warning, you know, everybody else that I was on my way in. I think you almost have to, I think if you're saying you try and rationalize it, you try and look back, you know, you try and say, well, someone's knocking on something or I hear a kid. One thing you'll hear from a lot of loggers and hunters is, oh, we heard kids laughing. We heard kids talking. and but it makes no sense when you look at the area they're in.

I mean, they're in the middle of nowhere. Does it bother you more, your encounter bother you more? Or does it bother you more looking back at all those incidences and realizing they were there the whole time watching you? I think what bothers me as much as anything was how I felt for a long time that I had, I was putting my life in danger and didn't even know it. I mean, still, how could this have been that these manlike beings were around me all this time and I never knew it? You know, it's easy when you tell yourself it's something else. You know, then these preachers certainly don't make it easy in any sense.

But, I mean, and they clearly don't want anything to do with us other than maybe to observe us. But, yeah, what bothered me for a long time was feeling with all the times that I felt like I had put my life in danger. I mean, until I learned something about them, obviously. Um, but and then to me, it's as important as telling what, you know, the encounter is to me telling the things that I got wrong. You know, because at the time and this has bothered some people when I've said this, that at the time, if I'd have my rifle, I would have shot it. I do believe I was shot him right between the eyes just because of the way he was acting. And people say, well, you, you're going to shoot big, but I'm like, no, you're not thinking in context here. I mean, at the time, because I knew nothing.

I didn't know anything about these creatures. And all I thought was this is this is a monster. You know, so the boogeyman and he wants to kill me, I'm going to kill him first. That was my mindset then. Obviously, I don't feel that way now. No, I understand. And I don't think anyone can give your crap for that, Kerry. I mean, you didn't shoot because, you know, you're an outdoorsman and, you know,

full well, that bird shot probably wouldn't, probably would have pissed him off more than kill him. Yeah, unless you had to get real close. Unless you get close, right. Yeah. And I don't blame me for filling that way. I felt that way for the longest time. I mean, even after my encounter, it was my opinion of them, was kill them all and let God figure it out.

You know, I could care less if someone shot one. I'd be cheering them on the sidelines. But you're right after a while of kind of looking into this. You realize they're not all like that. I still hinder those feelings, though. I still feel that way. Deep down, I try not to, but deep down, I still, you know, if someone told me they shot one, cut its head off,

and brought it in, it'd probably be the best day of my life. But you know what I mean? And that's just the way I feel about it. A lot of people don't like to hear that. And I understand why they don't like to hear it, but that's the way I feel about it. Yeah, I wouldn't shoot one now unless I absolutely had to, you know, that I knew for sure that he was going to get me or whatever.

But, you know, there were so many times out there that, that I should have known if I've actually been paying attention and thinking critically, the thing that we ask everyone else to do now, if I'd have been doing that, I think I would have noticed or recognized what it was. But, you know, being a hunter, and I'm looking on the ground, I'm always looking for tracks. I never saw a footprint. I never saw a tree structure that I would have called anything other than deadfall. Not that we know for sure they make tree structures, but I mean, some of these things are hard to deny. And, Being out there so much, I think they knew who I was.

They knew me well enough. I think we had had enough interaction that maybe they thought I knew they were there anyway. And I had done something different. You know, I usually only deer hunted. So now I'm hunting past deer season. I'm hunting in a different spot. I'm hunting for a different animal. And I don't think he liked it.

Or maybe they all didn't like it. And he just decided to let me know it. that's that's kind of what I get from the whole thing is I had all these turkeys coming to me and maybe he thought I was going to take them all and wasn't going to have it you know he scared them all yeah you know what I find curious and I thought about your encounter the last time you and I talked and it made me think maybe he was coming in for a turkey and didn't even realize you were there and at the last moment he realized it was you calling in the turkey so he was going to give you a piece of his mind. It wasn't necessarily

he was coming for you. He was, you know, you're doing the turkey call. They're all coming in. He probably was there for lunch and didn't even realize you were there at the last moment. What's your take on that? I think they knew, man. I don't

think there was any time I could step foot in that place and them not know it. I think that knocking was them reminding or letting everybody else know I was coming in. Because that place I would always get creeped out at, you could see through there. a long way. You can see for a hundred yards in one direction and probably 40 in the other direction. So what I think is I would part my folder and get off and I would hear this knocking and it sounded

close but I'm thinking, ah, there's somebody hammering on something up at the house. They're always hammering on it though, like they were always doing it. And, but it's that rhythmic knocking, you know, which was probably realistically coming from maybe 200 yards away. And then I get to the spot and I think they all just got collected up in there so they could watch me walk through there. And maybe that's why I felt creeped out right there. That's just a theory. I don't know if that's true or not. But I do remember camping.

One night specifically, I was camped out because I live 30 minutes away. And if it was deer season, I wasn't going to go home at dark and then come back in daylight. You know, I was just sleep in my truck or I'd build a fire and sit around and, you know, sleep, wake up and hunt at daylight. And I heard an owl. What sounded like it, but it sounded like a guy. And the only person that knew where I was was my friend that had hooked me up with his grandfather that I knew would even come out there to see me. It's him. I just knew it was him because I said something to him.

I don't remember exactly what I said, but it was something to the effect of, hey, okay, I hear you. You might as well come on out, you know, but he never did. And it wasn't long after that, I heard a thought ship, which didn't quite sound right either, back maybe 50 yards behind me. And then I don't, maybe I got my gun and got in my truck at that point. I don't know, but it was very distinctive. There's no, an owl has like a little trill to it, like a, you know, when they, especially a barred owl anyway. And that's what it was, but it was more like, who, who, who, you know,

man, come on. You fooling. You're not fooling me. But I was, I was very, I was very arrogant about that place. And like I said, I got lost in there one night. And I think I walked up in the middle of them. Tell us about it. Yeah, a pretty scary moment.

I had hunted off, back down in the bottoms. And it was February late in the deer season. It wasn't really cold, but it was chilly. It got dark, and I got down, and I probably missed my trail by 10 feet. But I did. And worst time to get lost, mist and rain, so there's no stars, no moon. There's no road nearby where I can hear traffic. And in the woods, any woods.

when it's dark, I don't care who you are. If you don't have a compass, you don't know what direction you're going. You just get turned around that easily. But I knew there was a grade there. So I was like, okay, if I can find the creek bottom, I know how to get out of here because the creek comes out pretty close to behind the house. So that's what I did. I got, I found where the creek bed was. So I was following it. And I'm tromping through. And I've got a really bright light. This is before LEDs or before LEDs were good. I had the big black, black, mag flashlight, you know, the four, 40 mag light. And I had my rifle over my shoulder.

And I'm tromping through. And at the time, when this happened, the story that I told was that I had walked up in the middle of a bunch of hubs. Because I got probably maybe 10 or 15 feet, and I must have shined my light on them. Because they were up either side of that creek bed for me. And all of a sudden, it was just commotion. I mean, leaves and big, heavy bodies and breathy grunting, you know, which didn't really sound like hogs, I don't guess, but that's the first thing I'm thinking. I'm looking for a tree to get up.

You know, I'm not trying to shine and look for any hogs, but they didn't run away. They went straight back behind me about 30 feet and stopped. And I remember them stopping because I thought they were coming back. So I'm looking for a tree to get up. But once they stopped, that was it. you know, and you would think that I would have heard them just fade away into the distance, but I didn't. They stopped right there, and that was it. That's why I think it was them.

I think it was the family because, you know, by the time I, and I looking back and realizing where I was at that point was only about 100 yards from where I had the encounter. But I think I stood there for maybe a few minutes or so, and this was like two seasons before. This was like 05. And four hours later, you know, I come out almost where my campsite is. I found the trail where my camp had connected to this little pond that was back there. So I found that. And then I got up to actually where my camp was still had to walk all the way back to where I was hunting and get my foyer. Because I remember having it down there.

But, yeah, I do believe that was them. And I lost, I lost deer. I lost a really nice eight point that I just I know they got him I know they got him I'll shoot seven mags the only thing I'd ever taken in there to hunt aside from the day I went turkey hunting and I shot this buck I'd seen him on camera he was a good eight point in a 120 inch plus deer big body and I shot him right through the vitals but he was close so it passed through and he ran but I heard him crash I heard him crash I heard him him go down, but it was early. So, and I was greedy. So I was like, okay, he's down. Let's get another one, you know. So I sat there for a while, and then finally around maybe 10 o'clock, I get down,

and I'm trailing, and I know about where he went down. I can hear where he went down. And I can find there's lung blood, you know, all over, and I get down where he crashed. I can see where he went down, but he's not there. And in these bottoms, there's just enough leaf litter to where, you know, there's enough animals go through there and, you know, stir up the leaves. You wouldn't be able to see footprints or anything like that. Even if you were looking for them, you wouldn't find any.

But I looked for that deer for two days and never looked for buzzards and never found him. You know, dead bodies don't bleed. So I think he laid there dead. So I didn't find any more blood leading away from there. I think they picked him up and walked off with him. Yeah, I was going to ask you if you ever had any deer come missing. Several. Yeah, and I want to get into your channel in this upcoming expedition.

One question I want to ask you, though, and I don't think I ever asked you this about your encounter, when he was vocalizing to you, and he did you a great impression of how they sound, do you think he was vocalizing at you, or do you think it was meant for another one that was around, and it just seemed like he would. I realize you can't, you don't know,

but what I'm saying is your impression at the time, do you think he was actually talking to you? Yeah, seemed like he was talking to me. He was looking at me, at least in my direction, what I could tell. Like I said, only 80 feet away. And it was words. There's no doubt it was words. And it's like he was talking slow where I would understand him.

You know, that's kind of how it felt like, you know, looking back on it because it wasn't, I've heard a lot of gibberish on recordings. And it's never, what I heard was so much slower. So I think he might have been like, you need to get out of here, you know, where I, you thought someone that doesn't read doesn't understand your language and, and says something, you know, slower where you'll understand it. But even though you still don't, that's kind of how it felt. It was slow and he would get really loud and then mumble like he was mumbling to himself and then loud again. That's what I, that's the distinctive things I remember were those. Yeah, and I was laughing when you were talking about how, you know, large.

of times you come across. I don't think you've ever met my knucklehead brother, Woody, but one time we were, this guy was, I think he was talking in Russian, and Woody kept slowing down how he was going to talk to this guy in English. And I looked at Woody, and I was like, it doesn't matter how slow you talk to him. He's not going to understand what you're saying. But it's fascinating you say that because Ron Moorhead said that with the Sierra sounds. So it's one comment he's made in several interviews, even when I've interviewed him, that he

felt like they were slowing down their speech so he would understand what. And if you listen to the Sierra sounds, it's talking very slow compared to a lot of their recordings to where they just have the recording setting, you know, set out. And the guys aren't around. You hear him talk real fast. It's a blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, it's like, and fast forward. And when Ron's mimicking them, you can hear it kind of slow down and try and talk to him. And let me ask you this. I know, is that why you think Sasquatch is a type of person? Is because it looked human and it seemed like it was talking?

Yeah, well, partially that. But it's from looking into it for so long. And, you know, the immutable characteristics of them, hooded noses, you know, human-shaped hands, human-shaped feet. You know, there's no divergent toe going on there. you know, there might be a mid-tossel break, you know, which, whether they do or not, I don't know, they appear to have that. But those are the things that I look at also. Mannerisms, I believe there's an emotional intelligence with these creatures. You know, there's always, you know, the body question comes up.

And something I like Grover Krantz, but I never thought that you never find a bear's skeleton in the woods was it was really a particularly good argument. You know, to me, if you know anything at all, I've learned anything at all about these creatures, the way they appear to be emotionally intelligent, sentient beings that are predisposed to hiding. They don't just hide from us. I think they hide from everything, even in the dark. They're hiding. And I think it's just in them.

You know, it's born in them. And you take a creature like that, an emotionally intelligent creature that wants to remain hidden and not found out, why would they leave one of their dead around for us to find? So that's kind of how I view that one, even though, you know, I think they, they love each other enough that if one of their dead, one of their, you know, oligarchs or whatever passes away that they're going to take care of it. I mean, Sasquatch doesn't run into our bodies for the same reason, I believe. So I don't, I think that's why I think they're human.

I think they, uh, they, they, they form family groups and, um, they have a language, obviously. You know, I'm thinking, thinking about that, I'm talking about the language part of it and what I heard. When you listen to the Sierra sounds and there's one particular part in there, I think it's two and there, I think they're criping at each other. But you hear that very abrupt, I, I, I, that tone, that demonic multiple vocal chord tone. that's what I heard, except it wasn't that abrupt, obviously. But it was still that tone, that ungodly, unnerving tone. It's very scary to hear. Yeah, it is.

I mean, I think anytime they vocalize, even a roarer will scare the crap out of you. And that's where I struggle with it being a person because they, yes, they have a head. Yes, they have two arms and two legs, but so does a gorilla. So does a chimpanzee. So does. You know, if someone comes from China, I'm going to say, yeah, that's a human. Someone's from Russia. I'm going to say, yeah, that's a human.

Well, I mean, obviously, I don't think they're people like we are. I just think they're a type of human primate. Kind of a broken off. I hear what you're saying. Yeah. And it is frustrating, though, that we can't catch up with them. And I know you have that expedition coming up in Florida. And you're going out with DDoS.

He runs the BDR. P on YouTube if you check it out. DDoS does a good job. Mark Zaski. And I know Mark can be controversial, but I'll tell you what, man. If I was out in the Florida Swamps, he's the exact guy I'd want out there. Yeah. Mark's going to be directing the search, really.

I'm going to be filming these guys doing this. We got Martin Neubil and Larry Porch from Sawdust Beast. Got Clay Campbell. Good guys. Wow, good team. Got Clay Campbell from Squatching Strategies. And I got, I didn't want it all to be researchers. I wanted some life professionals that were just stand-up, credible guys.

Dan Christensen, he's from Utah, Jerry Pajerski, Jeff Townsend, he's a retired engineer from Lockheed Martin, Mike Kinchel. And all these are older guys. I mean, I didn't want a bunch of young guys. I wanted some guys that had some life experience that we can go into a dark place, and they are going to go in without hesitation. This was some of the things that I've gone over with these guys in vetting them as the situations that we're going to be in, that what we're asking them to do, it's going to be hard. It's going to be hard for you to stand there in the dark and go into these really dark places after these creatures, because that's what I want to do.

I don't want to hurt them. I don't want to harass them. I just want to catch them on film moving. That's what I want to do. Just to get something better than what we have. And whether we do or not, there's still going to be a good story. there because we're doing this for a week. There's two teams, these four-man teams.

Jason Dobbins is a part of it. He's a first responder. I made sure we had some medics, some first responders. Brandon Shoma is a military guy. He's going to be part of oversight and logistics. We've got guys that are going to be just watching

the weather, and we're all going to be connected by radio, and we're going to have thermal drone, third generation thermal and night vision drones, and thermal. third generation thermal and night vision on the ground for when it's dark, obviously. But body cams, we're going to be filming for 168 hours straight from at least six different angles constantly. We'll have 12 cameras, but six of those cameras will be going at any given moment for an entire week.

And they're going to rotate out every eight hours. They're going to go out and try to find these creatures. And I'm going to tell the story of them doing it. I'm going to be filming one of the teams. Cam Buckner from Dixie Cryptid is going to be filming the other team. And we're just going to see what we can do. Just want to try it this way. Yeah, I'm excited.

I can't wait to see it. I don't know if you're going to throw it up on Amazon or YouTube or Netflix, but I really can't wait. And I wish you guys luck. And like I said, I'm kind of glad that Zasky's going because it's his area. And he's actually really good in the woods. I don't see him leading anyone astray. and all the guys you have going down there, it sounds like a really good team.

And I wish you'd luck for it. I know I asked you this on the last interview, but does it concern you if you do get some really good footage? You know as well as I do how people get treated in the Bigfoot world. And I think that's why I really want to do this interview over, because me personally spent so much time going on, I was grumpy and I was sick and didn't feel, and I just wanted to complain about Bigfoot researchers.

And no one ever listens to me complain except for Carrie. so I figured out what the hell. I'll just sit here and bitch for the next 90 minutes. So I appreciate it coming back. But does it concern you at all? You go down there. You'll become the next Bob Gimlin. You'll become the next Todd Standing.

You'll become the next Paul Freeman. You'll fall into this category of, you know, as well as I do, the Bigfoot researchers love to eat their own. They're going to say, Carrie CGI'd this. You know, he's down there with Zasky and all these. guys and it was one big hook. You know, if you really get something good, you can see it kind of going that route. Does that worry you at all?

Well, I'm not going to tell you that it doesn't. What I'm going to do is I'm going to attach all the metadata to the film so anybody can see exactly how we put it together. They'll see that there's no CGI in it. I mean, that's not to say that if we do get something good at all, it's a man in the suit. They did Patterson getting the film. So, but I mean, I said this to you before. Nobody ever did anything great sitting on the couch.

I'm not saying that I'm going to do anything great, but I want to get out there and give a try. But to tell you that I don't care what people think is not true, and I hear people say that, you know, I don't care what anybody thinks. You know, it's a real tough guy position. And that's not how I am. You know, I may not care what the doubters think, but there's no courage in not caring what people think. There's no sacrifice in it. So, yeah, it may concern me, but I can't let that stop us. You know, we still have to try this.

It's not about proving anything. I don't think we could prove it, even if we got them walking right in front of us on video. It wouldn't prove anything. What I do want is to get something more convincing because I believe we just need more people behind us. The Sasquatch subject itself just needs more people behind it. And I think if I can get something that's more convincing to those people that they can look at it and say, wow, these creatures really are real, you know, maybe I should look into this a little bit more. Aside from the evidence, to me, the important part of this is telling the story and letting and telling everybody who these guys are. You know, I picked these guys for a reason.

And a part of it was their standing and their credibility. And then there's enough of them, you know, that, you know, if these things come, out, you know, if anybody thinks that it's a, that we're hoaxing or anything, then obviously, if we were, one of these guys is going to come out with it eventually. But to me, that was the good part about having, you know, a large number of guys. But if we do get something good and convincing that people will believe it because they're going to get to know who these guys are and getting them emotionally invested in the film, it's going to be, it's going to be 18 hours long.

Now we're going to shoot for 168 hours. That's going to be the name of the film. 168 hours, a Bigfoot Odyssey. But I'm going to cut it down into seven parts. Each part is going to be about just one day. Each day I'll cut down into about two to two and a half hours. For seven parts, so 17, 18 hours long this thing is going to be. And as far as where we're going to put it, I thought about Patreon, put it on Patreon for a dollar.

because if I can get some of my money back out of it, I'll be happy. Yeah, and it is time-consuming and it costs a lot of money. And, you know, one of the things I like is, you know, I know some of the guys you're going down with. And it's nice to see guys working together. You don't see that in the Bigfoot World. It's, I don't like this guy or I don't like that guy. And we should do a show where we would just sit around a bitch about Big Foot World. We won't do that now.

But what I'm saying, though, is it's great to see guys to come. come together for for something you know what i mean and and we all love the subject and it's nice to see guys actually get together now if someone wants to donate for the this expedition how would they do that uh they can go we have links you can find it in any one of our shows uh if you do go to uh to bigfoot odyssey we have the uh the travel show which we've done 12 travel documentaries at this point and we have the researchers report which is a live show we do twice a week if you go to the channel and go to videos, you got to scroll down pretty low to the bottom to find the travel documentaries, which is what everybody watches us for anyway. I have to hold no reservations about that.

But you can go to any one of those shows and look at the links in the description and there's a PayPal and there's a go fund me. And you know, originally I said, okay, I've got six months to raise this money. I'm going to put in $7,000 of my own money into this straight up. and then we'll try to raise the other 20 that I think it's going to take to get all this equipment for all of us to do this. Well, we've gotten over $7,000 donated to us, but I don't see us reaching this. So I still see me pulling about 20 grand out to finish it off. But we're thankful to anybody that does donate. Anyone that does will be recognized verbally in the film itself.

We're going to say the last part to thanking all the people that wanted to be a part of it and help us get this done. a lot of people have stepped up and done this already and can't thank them enough. I mean, that people believe in it and believe in us enough, you know, whether we succeed or fail, we're going to try. We're going to try our best. And it's my one shot. I'm not doing this again.

Once this is over, all the equipment that I've purchased with donated money is going to get given away. We're giving it to guys from North Carolina Southwatch Watchers, Jeff Friend, is probably going to get a camera. Carl and Rachel Gautro is going to get some of this equipment. We've already got it planned out where all this equipment's going. I'm not keeping any of it.

So that's it's really cool. And I wish you guys the best. I really do. I mean, I really wish you the best on this whole expedition. And Bigfoot Odyssey, if the audience is out there, definitely check it out.

Kerry puts up some cool stuff. When do you do the live shows, Carrie? What days during the week? Wednesday and Saturday, 7 o'clock p.m. Central, we do the live show. We just will have researchers on just it's a researchers report, you know, talking about what's going on in their area or what they've sometimes will get people on with encounters. That's rare. But we have like every other Wednesday, we read out old encounters and just kind of have fun with them.

We don't make fun of people. I just kind of make fun of myself in these readings. And it's a lot of fun. I like that. I actually really like that about you. You know, you don't find that. again, I'm not going down this path of us complaining about Bigfoot researchers for the next 20 minutes. But I like that because you do, I mean, you have a good sense of humor about yourself.

You can laugh at yourself. And I think that's important. I think it makes you more personable with people when you do that. You don't see a lot of guys doing that. They're so stiff and so serious and, you know, it's like lighten up. And that's what I really like about your channel. It's what I like about you, Carrie. It takes a lot of balls after an encounter to, that's why I say, man, you and I were

kind of on the same, I can relate a lot to you, even though you and I can disagree on a lot of things. There's still a respect level. And, you know, I think of, a lot of times you'll say things, and I'll go back and kind of think about what you said. And I'd be like, you know what, he's kind of right when he says that. And my first knee-jerk reaction is to disagree with you. And then after I think about it, I'm like, you know what, he's actually right about that. I mean, it's hard to argue with that. And I wish more guys would do that. And that's why I love your channel. You know, you do the the live shows, but I like the documentaries that you do, the little mini

documentaries. I told you last time what's his name? Woodburger Farm, Rick James. Yeah, Rick James. Rick Wells from Woodburger Farms. I liked his story. I really liked his story. I like how you laid it out. And it was like watching a little mini documentary, more interesting than a documentary, but it's fascinating to hear these

people's stories and how this subject changes so many lives. Like it changed your life, changed my life, and most people that you talk to. Is there any, or go ahead, Carrie? You should watch number 11, the one we did right after that. It was in Mississippi. It's Mike N.D., it's a retired Special Forces guy and his girlfriend, and they've got these things all around their property. It's not much different than the Rick Wells one, except for the circumstances, obviously in the area, but it's a same type of layout. It's a, to me, one of our better ones. Rick Wells, obviously, tells a great story.

He's a stand-up guy, assaulted the earth type of person. And that's why that one came off the way it did. It was more of him, I believe, than really the way we presented it. But just, yeah, number 11, it's probably just as palatable, I think. Yeah, I'll throw him up on the blog if anyone's interested on Sasquare. Orange Chronicles, I'll throw them up on the blog, but definitely go subscribe to Bigfoot Odyssey. Again, Carrie, I can't speak highly enough about what you do and what you do for the subject. You know, you're one of the stand-up guys, and I've always felt that way about you.

You know, it's hard to get along with people, but I will say you definitely try your best at. You can even see it with the team of guys you put together. Great guys. but would these guys generally hang out with each other outside of something like this? Probably not. And that doesn't speak to them. I'm just saying that's just the way it is. No, they do respect each other, though.

And then these guys have really come together in the last month. It's becoming a brotherhood, really. They take this seriously, and they're going to go down there, and they're going to do their best to catch some quality images of Sasquatch for everybody else. Yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait for one last question I want to ask you. from the moment you got into the subject until now, has there been anything that your mind has changed on something

to where you thought one way before, and now you're like, I'm not so sure? Yes, actually. You know, I've never been a big proponent of the woo. Not because I didn't really put that much stock into it. You know, I looked into it. I just hadn't seen any good evidence for it. I never experienced it myself all the times that I had.

them around me. I don't remember experiencing anything that I could attribute to being paranormal. But we did our ninth documentary in Nebraska about resquatching the Omaha Reservation, Barry Webster and his team. And while we were there, a lot of strange feelings that I'd gotten out there, almost like an energy and electrical feeling, very uncomfortable. not the usual uncomfortable that I am in the woods but I mean it was a beautiful beautiful woods we were in and just being out there in it and getting those feelings and I think I captured an EVP. I'm pretty sure I did it has to be either an EVP or are some disembodied voice. It's definitely a voice. You can hear it.

It's around the 38 minute mark of Bigfoot Odyssey number nine. resquatching and it's a Native American voice and what it says kind of correlates to what we're actually doing at the time you know we were as of the four of us myself Linda Barry and

Richard were all out then they were making a hair trap you know the old stark carpenter backwards tape on a tree with you know baking grease hair trap and I heard this voice and you can clearly hear it say and I've listened to it so many times. I know exactly every syllable of it. But it sounds like it's in a coffee can.

You know, it doesn't sound like anybody's voice around us. And it says, Navagata gabi, sheo, iho. I don't, I had no clue what that meant until I let Barry hear it. And Barry said, well, sheo means to shed hair. And gotta means lanolin or grease. The rest of it, he couldn't quite, you know, put together. It was like a like a, like a dialect he hadn't heard, but he did recognize those words in it, which I thought was bizarre. But it was no one around us, West. There was no one there but us. And you could tell it was not any of us.

That rode in G1 microphone I got picks up very well. If they would have spoken, they would have known. It was them. And not long after that, just a couple of seconds, I heard someone yell, hey, kind of. It was something like, hey, from a distance. And I asked them, I said, you guys hear that? and then obviously I didn't I didn't hear the voice before that until I sat down and was and was editing the film and I was actually sat there for a while good four hours trying to

figure out how I moved forward with this film because it kind of freaked me out a little bit but I just laid it out there for everybody to hear for themselves and decide for themselves what it is but yeah so and not only that a lot of those segments in that film where they were talking about having these creatures right in front of them and them being cloaked. Now, these are multiple stories, the same people telling, you know, three different people, four different people telling the same story. These are credible people that saw this, you know, like the shimmer or whatever, a cloaked, you know, the predator, whatever.

That this thing was right in front of them. There were several of them, actually. And I believe them. Whether it was Sasquatch or not, I don't know. but I believe everything they said for sure. And it just kind of changed. The EVP really changed my view on some of this stuff and what people are experiencing with these creatures,

whether it's Bigfoot or not. I don't know. I still try to carry the naturalistic aspect of Saswatch as far as I can until I just can't carry it that way anymore. And this was one of those times. Yeah, it's interesting about the EVP. There's one in Texas, I heard. one time a guy was out there, he was doing ghost hunting or whatever.

And I said, you know, just being wise ass, I said, ask it if there's any saskwatches around. And I came back and said, yes, they're very destructive. I mean, it answered. It absolutely answered. And it scared the crap out of me when I heard. I don't like this spirit stuff, man. And, you know, it. I don't care for it either.

Yeah. I mean, if you can't shoot it, it's, you know, with regard to, the shimmer and the cloak hammer when I first heard that from a lot of people off there. I didn't know what to make of that because I'd never heard of anything like that. And what is her name? Barb Shoup. Yeah, Barb Shoeep. She does the, I think her channel's called Barb and Gabby.

Gabby was her dog, Guy Rest her Soul. One of the few researchers actually loved. She calls her dog, her Bigfoot researcher. But Barb actually captured some weird like shimmer thing. I saw it. I don't know what to make of that. You know, what do you make of that? Is it Bigfoot related?

Who knows? But it's bizarre. It is. It's very bizarre. But I wish you luck out there in Florida, all you guys out there listening that are going on the expedition, be safe. I wish you nothing but the best out there. And for the audience, check out. Bigfoot Odyssey on YouTube.

Definitely subscribe. You'll catch me in the chat on some of the live shows that, uh, Kerry does. Carrie, thanks for coming back on, man. I really do appreciate your time and respect what you do.

Thank you, Wes, very much. And that's it for tonight, everyone, remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone.

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