Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:6 Witness Encounter: Face to Face with Sasquatch

Episode Date: December 9, 2013

In this episode we bring you one of the best Class A Bigfoot Encounter: Rebecca has had a couple scary encounters with Bigfoot including a very traumatic experience where she was face to face with Sasquatch. Rebecca will also be sharing some recent encounters and sharing her experience with Bigfoot and how her attitude has changed towards them.

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What are you reporting? What on now, sir?

That's the son of a bitch is about six foot. Yes, I'm looking right here. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Radio, Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, Liam Jeffey. Let's start the show. There are many people who know about my experiences when I first got involved in the subject of the Sasquatch back in the early 70s. That was very close to the much more... Rebecca Butella.

She is also from the crow flies from Mount Rainier. Rebecca has probably, in my opinion, that I have ever heard of my 41 years involved in this subject. thousands of people I've interviewed over the years, but her account is probably the best one. Now, before you had your first encounter, and she's had several, that point. Well, I was just a teenager. I've never heard of a big foot. I've never even heard that coin term. My father was ex-military, and he was pretty strict on us.

We weren't allowed to watch too much TV or listen to too much radio. He wanted us in school, you know, doing our homework. doing extracurricular activities or outside. He was really into that, you know. And so I wasn't, you know, when other people started talking or things started coming up, it wasn't until after I had my sighting that I started hearing little bits and pieces of things that were happening, you know, farther down toward Mount Rainier, like the count of Eatonville, the town of Roy, Graham, later on.

because when I had my encounter, I didn't know what I saw. I mean, I didn't know what was looking at me, and I was convinced that as a teenager I was going to die that date, and that a monster was on the other side of the window, and I didn't know what it was. And see, that's important for listeners to understand. I've been asked many times they'd say, well, geez, in 1970s, and I never heard the word Bigfoot,

and they don't understand that that area, and you know, mostly farming, and people just didn't, Like you said, your parents were like mine. They insisted that we didn't spend a lot of time watching television. We had to pay attention to schoolwork and then work outside on the farm, be outside. So there were a lot of us who didn't catch up to those terms until quite a few years. Now, what year was it that you had this encounter? This was in 1969.

It was October. It was October, 1969. Okay, so you had, and how old were you at that time? About 14. 14. Okay, so let's go back to that day in October, 1969. Walk us through what happened. What led up to those elections are of that incident.

When we first moved there, it was extreme, just as you said, I mean, it was solid wood. There was a house and then solid woods. And then just, you know, there wasn't very much going on out there. There was a little wonky store, you know. It just, there was hardly anything there. and we ended up fencing all of that and cutting down trees and it was heavily tree. We moved on to a five-acre piece of property and it was so heavily tree that couldn't believe it. And we finally got that all fence and my dad bought horses because my sister and I wanted horses.

And I had just come in, it was October, it had snowed early that year. I mean, we'd had a lot of goings on since we moved on that property in 1962, but we didn't know what it was. I mean, we went across the street before we got the horses, and we were going to use rakes and hose. There was a fit-county property directly across the street. You just walked straight across from our mailbox into the ditch and to the property on the other side. And nobody had ever been out there. It was virgin soil. It was county-owned.

Nobody was ever out there. And we wanted to build, you know, make trails, you know, because my brother's wanted motorcycles. We wanted horses. And we went out there. to put a setting on here. I know you wanted me to start at the siding, but I feel like this is important. We went out there as a family trying to do some minds. Now, how could we start

building trails out here? Where should we start digging? How much land is actually out here? And we got out there and found dozens of prints. And I've told people this before, but what I really meant to say is we found dozens of sets of prints

that were different sizes. but my mom was asking my dad, you know, what is all this? What's all these prints? And I remember dropping to my knees. I went on my knees finally because I thought, what is it? You know, and I put my hand. My hand was like dwarfed into this footprint. And I didn't have a tape measure with me.

I was a kid, you know. I just thought these are huge. And there was a funky, foul, kind of a urinary skunk smell. and it wasn't real strong, like we couldn't breathe. It was just kind of this sense that was hanging in the air. And we were all really uncomfortable. And I remember I was looking at these parents, and my dad finally got mad and he goes, somebody's faking it out here.

They're just trying to scare people. Come on, let's go. Get these kids and come on, you know. And I just wonder, you know, makes me look back, and I'm thinking my dad knew more than what he ever let on, and he's passed away since. Yeah. So that's kind of what started this,

thought, what's this, you know, kind of, you know, the years went on, and we would always hear these strange howls at night, and eventually got, you know, the place, cut, trees cut down, and post holes dug, and fenced strong, and, you know, barn, bills, and all that, kept hearing noises at night, you know, breaking branches, stomping around, and my dad always says, oh, it's deer, you know, and the horses would always run, and they'd snort and look toward the woods, you know, just snorting. It was always kind of an uneasy feeling. You always felt like you were being watched,

but, you know, when your kid, you know, your dad says nothing, you just go, oh, it's nothing, you know, and you kind of like override that sense. Right. Right. Right. Something's there. And that's kind of the way I lived my life.

You know, my dad was really tough on us. And like I said, we were raised military, so we were kind of afraid of him. And when he told us to do something, we did it. And a lot of times he didn't give us time to sit and wonder and all this stuff. goings on and always, you know, stomping around at night and howl just, you know, sunset and not knowing what that was. I'd come in. It was October.

Like I said, it had been an, we had kind of got early snow. You're just kind of this little dusting blanket of snow. Now, what time of day was this? Do you remember? I think it's about four, you know, kind of like right around four o'clock, clockish, where it was, you know, it was slightly, you know how it gets like, starting to get. dark, but still they like it. It's kind of down, but it's still light. Yeah, you're kind of starting to lose light, but it's still light, and you can see everything

around you, but you're losing light, and it's starting to get dimmed. Okay, that's what it looked like. Very rarely that we were ever allowed to watch TV. And like I said, I just got and done feeding the horses, and I came in, and I thought, oh, my dad's outside. I'm going to sneak in on to, you know, watch some TV. My mom and my sisters were in the kitchen, and I remember they were talking, about a baby shower and I was the tomboy of the family so I came in there and there was a huge

picture window in the living room I took this wooden chair there's a dining room chair and I kept it I was sitting in it and I kept it back where I was actually sitting on the window you know with your top part of your shoulders were actually leaning on the windows right and I'm watching this TV show and it hadn't been more than I'm wanting to say it hadn't been more than 15 minutes that I was sitting there. And it was a funny show, and it was a comedy, and I was laughing, and I turned around, and I turned back, you know, and I don't know how to explain this,

but my mind just kind of flashed this picture, like you just saw this, and I just kind of froze. And in my head, I'm thinking, what did I just see? You know, and I'm just sitting here thinking, okay, well, you know, anybody in their curiosity, do you think if you thought you saw something like that, you're going to sit there and keep washing cheating, no, you're going to turn around and look. So I fully turned around because I thought, that's weird. And so I turned around, and I saw right there on the other side of the window,

all that was between the window, me, the window, and it was a little brick planter box on the ground. It built from the ground up for flowers. It was about the planter box was maybe. a foot and a half, maybe a foot and a half from the house to the outside. You know what I mean? That's how white it was. Right. And that's all, you know, and it was standing maybe, I would say half a foot.

I'm going to say a half a foot from it, but it was close enough where as it was standing, I couldn't see its feet because that planter box was kind of covering, you know, from my view. Right. I couldn't actually see steep, but I could see down past the cap, you know, down that. So you were probably less than three feet physically from it. I mean, it was right there. It was right there. And I turned around and I looked him right in the eyes.

I looked him right in the eyes. And I know that other people have heard of this, but I felt like I was paralyzed. I had gone into shock. And his eyes were red and he was not looking at me like he was very happy. And I thought, what am I looking at? You know, I'll have to think of, if the monster is on the other side of the window, and he's going to kill me. You know, I thought to myself, I'm going to die today.

I'm only a kid, and I'm going to die today, you know. And I couldn't pull my eyes. I couldn't pull that. My eyes were fixed on him. And I felt like he was looking down into my soul. Literally, that's what it felt like. I felt like I was being scanned or something. something like he was like I know you.

It's a very piercing look. It was the most piercing look. I mean, he, you know, I'm telling you, it just, to this day, I mean, it will be burned in my brain for the rest of my life. I will never forget that as long as I live. And he was very human looking. There was nothing apish whatsoever about this individual. But he was kind of a silver gray, and he had a few little sprays of lighter gray.

but he had these blackish brown hairs all through him. And it was just an ominous sight to me. I mean, I was paralyzed. I couldn't say help. My sisters were walking around with my mom and jibber, jabber in the kitchen, and I couldn't even say help. I couldn't speak. I was completely paralyzed with fear.

And I was terrified. But I decided, you know, I'm there. The only thing that I could move was my eyeballs. I literally was frozen in place. And I finally broke my stare. from him and I started looking at his shoulders and analyzing what is this thing I'm looking at. And I saw his, I've never seen shoulders so massive in my entire life.

My dad was like six one and a half and he was a burly guy. And I do not believe that I was exaggerating to say that it would take three of my dad, three of my, who had broad shoulders, three of him, to make one. of these things from in the end. I mean, one of the shoulders of this thing would be the full size of a man. I mean, I was looking at this gigantic monster and his head was up, you know, almost to the ease of the house looking down at me. And I just, I was totally powerless.

I was totally powerless at this thing. I noticed that his arms went down. down almost to his knee. I noticed that his hands were cupped, like the fingers were turned backwards, you know, kind of cut backwards. So basically, I was looking at his knuckles coming down. And I just, you know, that's kind of what I was looking at.

His chest, he just looked like he was in the, he looked like this monster bodybuilder. I mean, he was, he, there was no fat on this individual. He was rock solid. I would say that Wes and Woody will agree with that there. Yeah. Yeah, I was just thinking the exact same thing as she was going through talking about it. What did the face look like?

Rebecca, I mean, can you describe a little bit more of the face and what you saw in the eyes, the mouth? Okay. He had hair that came down his face. Well, first of all, let me start here. He didn't have one of those high conical heads like people talk about. This one had just a slight conical head. It just went up a little bit rounded. There was no point.

There was none of that. You could see that it did go up a little bit. But his face was wide and rounded, very round, very full and thick. His hair came down his face, and he had hair growing on his face too. You know, I've seen probably, I would say, the majority of a lot of the pictures or illustrations that I've seen. of individuals with no hair on their face. And that's not what I saw at all. What I saw was an individual who had hair coming down his face,

covering his nose, hair that went over his lips, but I could see the lip line. And his nose looked more human. It wasn't this pushed in flat nose. It was more, I mean, I could see a bridge. I could see a mouth that went straight across, slightly curved down, his eyes were red. His eyes were like a glowing amber red.

Almost looked like it was, I don't know, it was just almost like glowing. I don't know. I don't know how to explain that. But his eyes were kind of an amber red, and the pupils were just piercing at me. Just piercing. Like, I mean business, and I'm mad at you, you know, what do you do and looking at me? I mean, I couldn't help it. You know, I couldn't pull away.

I didn't see any ears because the hair was so long and it came down, it came down all over his ears and kind of blended him with his shoulders, kind of like what people call. Now I hear people describe it as a main, you know, kind of like a mane, but it wasn't that massively thick, but it was there. And he had a beard. He had a, you know, this hair on his chin that came down, and his chest was so massive,

this like this hair on his chin matched his chest. He didn't have a neck. I mean, you know, there was no neck. There was just this massive head on these massive shoulders. This chest, this was just, his chest was huge. I don't know how to explain to you. He seemed to have kind of high cheekbones. His whole face was covered in hair,

which doesn't seem to be typical of what a lot of people say or show. Well, you know, when I saw, he saw that very same one that you saw it walk in front of his car. What? What was that? Was it in the same area? What's that? Was it in the same area? Yeah, this is, you know, you know about the Puyolip Screamer event.

Oh, yes, I do. I didn't learn about Pial Spramer until, like, 2006 or something. I didn't even hear of that either because I kind of, when I had my experiences, the first two that I saw, I took flight. I quit riding my horses in the woods. I wouldn't go out and fish. I wouldn't swim out anywhere but look like there's woods around me. I was terrified. It literally took me 15 years to get over that, to be able to face my fears and then be able to turn around and try to figure out, you know, and go headlong into it and face it.

I know, listening to your account, you know, kind of makes the hair in the back of my neck go up because. you know, I had my encounter with the same thing. And just about that same time of day, coincidentally, you know, they gave me the same, you know, people have never seen what about massive. It's like a piece of a redwood tree moving. That's what it looked like. I've never seen, I mean, for me to be able, my brain to be able to process seeing something that I didn't even know existed. You have no reference for it. And it was so massive.

And the looking at me angry, I really believed I was in a guy. All it had to do was lips up his arm, break the glass, and take my head off. I mean, literally, I was right there. And I was thankful I had one of my rifles in my hands, because had I not, I don't know what guy, you know, they would have taken my head off if they had. Did you, can I ask you a few questions? Sure. Did you see, did you, the one that you saw that was pretty much sounds like possibly the one that I encountered, was the other one the same gray color? Actually, the two I saw were very dark brown or black.

Oh, okay, I got that. I think they, I believe they were same. See, there were three of them in that area. In 72, we found tracks of three individuals, one really big one, and the other two were writing out reports when he was going to walk right in front of his lights. And he also found the tracks of all three of them. Those three came through that area. I had reason to believe because of so many incidents that have happened.

on that property that they hung out in that Fort Lewis Reservation out there, which was just like a block from our house. Yeah, right. And you could go through, you could go across the street. I could ride my horse or a motorcycle across the street into the trails on the county there, and just go to the corner and go across the street and go riding on the reservation. And all sorts of stuff happened out there, too. I saw all sorts of structures,

heard branches breaking. So now, let's go back a little bit before we go beyond that. So now you're standing there, sizing this thing up. He's just standing there staring at me, and I noticed because, you know, it's cold outside, and his chest is just heaving up and down, and this steam is just coming out of his nose, you know,

and he's just staring at me, and this scene. So I'm thinking, was he running, you know, Did he run across the street and get a look at me? Or, you know, I just had the feeling he had been running. I sit there, and I really cannot tell you the time frame of how long this went on, but it felt like forever. It felt like forever. I mean, I was just sitting there and totally, like, somebody please help me before this thing kills me.

And then I started talking to myself, and I started saying, okay, turn around. I was in gymnastics this time, and I thought, just turn around and jump out of the chair. Just turn around. I just kept telling me to turn around and jump out of the chair. You know, that was the only way I thought I was going to survive this. I managed to break my stare with this thing. I've been staring at his body, staring at his arms. And at that point in time, I thought I'm going to turn around and somehow,

it's hard to explain because my body, I couldn't get my body to move. I couldn't move, you know? I was that terrified. I finally got a hold of myself, and I was managed to pull. pull my, turn my head back towards the TV, which is in the inside of the house, away from it, which was behind me, and I was getting ready to jump, and I was just sitting there thinking, jump, and I was thinking, I can't. I just couldn't move. Well, the next thing I hear behind me is a car screeching to a halt. I mean, just screeching. And then it sits there momentarily

pauses and then just burning rubber and it takes off. And at that point in time, something happened with me with that sound and I was able to jump out of the chair and I literally was shaking and trembling and I was walking toward the kitchen and my mom runs around to say something to me. She was like, Becky, Peggy, what the matter of Becky? I was white as a sheet. She told me I was literally every ounce of color had drained out of my face and she knew that something had happened.

Well, when I finally, when the shock started going away, I started to ball. That's all I could do. I just was compulsively crying. And once I recovered from that, I was trying to tell them that something was out there, and I was trying to tell them what I saw. And my mom started heading for the door, and I said, don't go out there, don't go out there. And she hadn't seen it, and she didn't know what I was talking about, but she did go out there. And she found out, she said that something had been there because there was a big,

muddy messed up place in front of the window. But I was begging her, please come back in, please come back in. Here, I have to feed the horses. My dad, you know, was very strict. I had to have the horse that said at 6 a.m. in the morning and 6 a.m. at night. And if my mom reported to my dad that I was one minute late and I did that three times, he's going to sell my horses. So I had to get a hold of myself somehow because I love those horses so much that I made

myself go out in the dark and I made myself come back. And I just literally, it was the most terrifying, traumatizing thing ever. And then when finally, you know, about, it'd been about six weeks, it passed, and I was kind of calming down. I was like, somehow another, I kept thinking that was the only one. I don't know, you know, I didn't know what it was. Did you worry about your horses at all during that time? Did you think the thing was... Yeah, yeah, I was worried sick.

I was trying to tell my mom. It's going to get my horses, going to get the horses, going to get... Maybe you saw something. Maybe you saw, you know what? And mom told me, we were raised in church all our life. My mom tried to keep telling me that it was a demon. I said, Mom, I said it was an animal. I said it was something big.

And I said, and it was like a man, but it was cute. And she was like, she goes, I think it was a demon. And I'm like, Mom, you're not listening to me, you know. It's going to get the horses. Yeah, I used to sit and just cry and cry and cry, you know, and I used to sit and pray and ask God to protect them and all this stuff. because I was worried sick about the horses. Becky, when you were referring to this thing as your mom, what did you refer it to?

Did you refer it to as an ape, a person, a monster, or how did you explain it to her? I said it was a monster. I said it was a monster with hair on it, and it had red eyes because I didn't know what it was. Yeah, in those times, you know, we didn't really have a lot of terminology like people do today. I had never even heard that. No, we hadn't either. I didn't even know what I thought, I thought, big, well, what's that? You know, when I finally, somebody, I heard.

that on TV I thought, because there was an incident, there was an incident not too long after that that I actually got here on TV, where somebody had a car, a steer or something, then it's been broken or had been thrown over a fence, but if something happened to do with it being tossed out halfway over a fence, it was killed, had been killed, and then people were restarting to report these sightings. And it was like, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, you know, that's those things, that's those things. And so I went to my school library, I thought, I've got to find out what this is. What was it that I saw?

And I found this dumb little beat-up paperback book, and it showed, it said, The Abombable Snowman. And it had a picture of this grayish-white creature with its arms out, and it's looking all menacing. And it's from the Himalayas. And I was so ignorant of what I saw that I still can remember what I said. I was thinking, what is that thing doing down here in my bedroom? You know, I couldn't equate. I couldn't figure this out. And then when I started hearing stories like people here and there

starting to pop up with news stories here and there, I thought to myself, oh, my gosh, something's going on. And then about six weeks later, after I saw this big guy, I was sitting on the floor in a different room on a Saturday morning, It was sunny early in the morning. I got my tourist done. I got the horses, and I was playing paper dolls with my sister Roxanne. And this was the kind of house where the bedrooms had huge, like two windows,

big, deal windows on both sides of this room. And I'm sitting on the floor, Indian style. She's sitting here with her back to the window. I'm sitting there on the floor facing the window, and we're bickering over these stupid little paper doll clothes, which one we wanted. and I feel this vibration, and I looked up, and here just nonchalantly, casually, goes right by the window, just kind of this jog, was a littler one, the same color.

And I just sit there with my mouth open, and my sister, Roxanne, looks up at me, and she said, what? And I just looked at her, I go, never mind, nothing. She goes, what? And I go, nothing, let's just play. And I thought, I can't, in my head, I'm thinking I can't believe this just happened. My mom and dad would never believe me. And I never told them about that for years. And it wasn't until years later my mom told me that she would see faces in the woods,

in the trees near where the horses were. She, you know, she, they knew stuff. There were things that had happened. Yeah, we had an incident one time where something did approach the house at night, and it was a very foul stench, very foul. We could barely breathe. my dad shoved all of kids up in the inside wall of the house and he pulled his shotgun out and he opened up the window

and he was standing there with a shotgun facing the horses and I'm crying and screaming, please you're going to kill the horses, you're going to kill the horses and my mom's begging my dad, you know, and I'm going to shoot this thing. I don't know what it is but I'm going to shoot it, you know. I'm going to know you're going to shoot the horses, you're going to shoot the horses. I mean, we had so many things that happened on that property

Why do you think they were interested in the property? Why do you think that they were, seemed to be all over this property? I think that they were hanging out across the street in that county property. That's why there were dozens of prints. That's why there were tons of stuff out there in the reservation, which was a block away. That forest loose reservation, there is a researcher I know who knows someone, who is a military personnel, who is active duty and who does maneuvers with this group or whatever out in that reservation and has said to them, we run into them nightly.

We're not supposed to speak of it, but we run into them every day that we have people out there. They throw rocks at our tanks, at our jeeps, or whatever we were in out there. They see them all the time out there in that Fort Lewis reservation. So I think that they've been out there. I think they've always been out there. And we just, my dad bought that property. And the owners, I remember that the owners were real anxious to sell. Remember my mom and my dad were talking about, and I was listening to this conversation.

They wanted to get out of their fast. And they dropped the price down on that house significantly to get out of there. Yeah, that's true about Fort Lewis area because I was a sergeant there in 1980. and I had a 15. Yeah, they're out there because I used to ride my horse, and then my dad bought me a Tennessee Walker, and I was like, I'd go out there all the time alone. And he was a real laid-back horse, a little quiet horse.

But Francis would snap, things would go flying through the air, and he'd like jump. You know, he'd kind of like jump. And then he would just keep clawing along, and I was like, hmm, what was that? What did that noise? I mean, this is me not knowing anything. You know, this is my...

I was like, okay, well, that was kind of weird. Okay, well, we'll just kind of head back home now. But I used to go out there for miles. You know, I used to go out there. My horse was so quiet that I could take a saddle and a bridle out. I could drive him out, 10 miles out there, take saddle and bridle and just let me get grass and just hang out, take a lunch, and then settle him back up and bridle him off and take him home. Boy, I'm wondering now, you know, what would have happened if he would have run off,

and I would have been out there 10 miles out in the middle of nowhere. You know? Would have been a long story, walk home. I mean, how done can you get? You know, I didn't know, though. I shouldn't say that about myself because I... When your kid, you don't think about those things, you know. Yeah, but after I saw that juvenile, you know, go by, and it was a husky little guy.

They're not little. No. But the thing of it is is that he was right by the window when he went by. And I thought, what is going on here? All the wind lights were on. It knew I was there. knew my sister was there. They didn't even care.

And I thought, wow, I can't believe this is going on. Then there was a, we had another incident. You know, my brothers decided to go camping one summer across the sleep. And they came back and accused my dad of scaring the living daylights out of them all night long. And my dad didn't go out there. And they were like, yeah, we know that was you out there stomping around and hitting the tent and making noises. And we know that was you, you know. And it wasn't them.

And I tried to say, it was that. thing shut up that he or scaring the kids you know this kind of deal I was always told to shut my mouth I kept saying that thing is out there did your did your father ever speak or did he ever have anything to say after your encounters did you have did you ever speak to anybody about him or what did you have to say about it after all this happenings he my dad my dad would never talk to those kids about it he would never speak of it we weren't allowed to talk we were in fact my mom made it sound like if I continued talking about I was going to get with or I was going to get

disciplined, you know, really severely for talking about it. But there was an incident. I found out from my mom that I never even knew about. Down toward Meridian on 224, someone had purchased a home or they bought some property and they had cleared out some trees and they built a house on this property. Well, it wasn't too far from where we live, you know. My mom and dad went over there because they're invited to come see the new house. well, the dad was gone to work and mom and this teenage boy was there.

And I guess as soon as they got into the house, they started hearing these screams. And immediately, my mom said immediately, it's like they just went into gear. It's like, hurry up, get the blind shut, shut the window, all this stuff. And the screams kept getting louder and louder and louder. So finally the screens were at the house. And I guess his son got so upset. He ripsed the closet. He grabbed his dad's shotgun.

And he started out the door, and my dad grabbed him. My dad grabbed him. And my mom said, he looked him in the face and said, son, you don't want to go out there. And that was a real telling thing. My mom told me that. I thought, you know, I know my dad knew things. But he just was that kind where he kept it to himself. He wasn't going to speak it.

He wasn't going to say it. What about your sisters, Becky? Did you have one sister or was it two sisters? Well, my sister, my older sister, wrote her half Arab one time. mountain and the reservation. And that was the last time that she went out there alone because she, my dad had bought this half Arab for her, and she had a hackamore for those who are horse people who know what a hackamore is.

Well, anyway, she gets out there, and I guess a hairy arm came out of the bush at her. The horse bolted, and she was able to stay on, and she couldn't stop the horse. The horse ran at a dead run all the way home, ripped across the street. They couldn't get killed, you know, hit by a car, and took her all the way home, and she had a hard that horse was terrified. So she had that, my sister had that incident. Now my younger sister had an incident where my dad had allowed us one summer to spend a summer evening in the neighbor's camping trailer

that was in their backyard, okay, next to our backyard. And my brothers were allowed on the other side of the house to stay over there because he's real strict. We never got a chance to do things very often. Well, I thought to myself, I'm going to stay over here, and I'm sneaking out because that thing is probably, this is what I was trying myself. There's only one or two of them. They're probably off somewhere else, you know. I'm going to sneak out and go up through the trees, and I'm going to, you know, shoot the brief with my brothers and hang out with them, you know.

And that was my thing, you know, because I never got out, and I was a little bit on the rebellious side. And I didn't like my dad being so strict. So, huh, that was my idea. So I sneak out of this camping trailer. my sister with the neighbor girl was in this camping trailer sleeping. I left them at midnight. Went, you know, up through the woods and up there, and we're sitting up there talking and everything.

And finally around, I guess it was around 1.30, they told me to get lost, go home. And I'm like, yeah, well, I will, but you need to walk me through the woods, you know, to get me home. We're not walking you through the woods. Forget it. Get lost. You know, I'm like, what? And I'm like, no, you need to want me through the woods, okay, because that thing might be out there. There ain't no thing out there to get lost, you know.

They literally were not going to walk me through there, and they didn't. I had to walk myself through there. Well, I got shocked. I literally got sucked, and that kind of also was a testament to the fact that they could have hurt me. They could have drugged me away, and nobody would have ever found me, and they didn't take me. You know, so that talks about some of this. It's a little bit telling, I guess, about some of their behavior and nature, but characteristics. But I would take a step, and it would take a step, and then I'd take a step, and then I'd

take a couple of steps and then I hear the tracking behind me. And I was like, oh, my God, how did I do this to myself? I'm like, God, please help me. I'm like, I swear I'll never do it again. I don't want to die this way. You know, that was really what I thought. I thought, what am I doing out here anyway? I knew when I saw that thing, it could be out there,

but I thought it was long gone somewhere else, you know. I just kept talking myself. And so I kept walking because I knew not to run. And I went through that little picket fence where the hole was, and I jumped in that trailer and I pushed the lock button and it started pushing the trailer, rocking it back and forth that camping trailer. And it was throwing us from side to side.

And my sister, of course, and this Renee neighbor was screaming. They were screaming and I was screaming. And it terrified them so badly. It was funny because the neighbors put the house up for sale. And they moved out of there shortly after that. My sister was one of those kinds. She's very private, and she just, it's like she went shut mouth.

Like she don't want to talk to nobody. She don't want to talk about it to this day. She literally just, you cannot get it, but she was absolutely both of them, terrified, and so was I. And I thought to myself, this is my fault. This whole thing is my fault because I had to go and sneak out, you know, and then it followed me back. Yeah, we all had incidences. The thing, it stalks you through the woods. I realized that if it wanted to get you, it could have gotten you.

But don't you think it's a pretty aggressive behavior to once you get in the trailer, it starts rocking the trailer? I mean, it's throwing you from side to side in those trailers in the trailer you were in. Yes, I did. Of course I did. And at one point in point, I thought that trailer was going to tip over. I mean, I just, you know, I thought, what is it doing this to me? You know, I thought, well, it's trying to get in. I thought, was it trying to get in or, you know, was it just trying to terrify me or do you know,

Is it just messing with me? Or, you know, are they just, was it a prankster thing? Or what was that, you know? What do you think that its intent was? Looking back now, back at that time, what do you think its intention was? There's a couple of different thoughts that I have about this. I think it possibly could have been irritated. I got away from it.

I thought it wanted to follow me further or whatever, and I got away from it. I got in somewhere. And so it was just going to push it over, try to get in. The other thought is that it's being a prankster, thought it was, pretty funny here and all of us in there screaming and yelling. So, you know, I just kind of leave it at that because I'm still scratching my head over that because I'm thinking if it really wanted to get in, that was a little camping trailer. It could have busted the windows and put an arm through.

I mean, did it really want to get in? They have kind of funny behavior sometimes and something that's a common theme like that being followed. A little bit of time. We have the ability to, it seems. to be a consistent behavior that it kind of takes them almost it almost appears as if they're working up their nerve to do it. You know what I mean?

Well, I think that they have very human characteristics. I think that they're highly intelligent. I think that they're highly involved, evolved. And I don't, at this point in time with the other sightings that I've had and hearing a lot of other, you know, through the years, experiences and things of other people that They have very human thoughts. Well, there's some similarities. But then, you know, among other primate species there,

so it's not unrealistic to think that. Just that the ones that I have seen didn't look eight at all. No, no, I'm not saying eight, but they're still in the primates. Oh, right. I know. That's kind of a, that right there's kind of, and everybody has their opinion. Everybody formed their opinion is what, you know,

I was on the giganticophistic thing there for a while because it needs sense. I thought, yeah, you know, could be this. But I'm still on that journey. You know, I'm still on that journey. And I've had what I call raw experiences. You know, I have not been one of these people who, except for one property that I was on, where I really was on the verge of being able to possibly interact with these guys,

and then I had to move. But there are people out there who get language, like Ron Moore has recordings. That just blows my mind. When I hear a lot of this stuff, it really sets me back. I'm like, what is it more? What are we missing here? You know, I wonder, I think at times that they were trying all this time to interact with me. And my fear had overtaken me, and I just couldn't allow myself.

I just wanted to get away, you know. I didn't want to be hurt. I didn't want to be harmed. It scared the hebe-giby out of me, you know. One of the issues that I'm working on is the blanket term Bigfoot. And there are at least two, maybe three. of the behaviors get mixed? Mm-hmm.

I think that's very possible. I think that you very well may. I've thought about this myself and there are others that I've talked to you over the years that feel the same thing. There's some very clear differences between some of the encounters, you know, physical descriptions, behaviors, the

thing with language, you know, the true Sasquatch doesn't really have that capability, but there's another type that does. So there's a lot of things that are multiple species. And there's certainly room in the fossil issues that people have with each other. A lot of the arguments, you know, they're not realizing that, hey, they're falling in different categories. I'm a friend with a researcher who writes books, he's somewhat of a mountain man, and he says the same thing.

He lives in Montana, and he's been all over. He's been in caves. He's, you know, since, you know, his life doing this. And he says exactly what you're saying. He said that he knows He's seen too much And he feels that there's four different kinds That's what he says

And I know a couple of the reasons Make that same contention And you know I think there's something to it I do too I think that's very possible Becky going back to the trailer thing When it was rocking the trailer

Did you What was going through your mind Did you feel like if it was going to get in the trailer Did you feel like your life In danger? Did you Yes Of course I was

because when I had no more than pushed the lock button down. So I never made it over where, you know, in a camping trailer, you know, you move away from the door, you take a right, you go to the, you know, table in the sink, and you've got the little table that folds down to the bed. I never made it that far. I'm still in the little hallway. I'm right in front of that door. You know, and it starts immediately pushing, rocking it back and forth, and I'm thrown down on the floor.

I can't go anywhere. And I keep getting thrown back and forth toward this door. I'm scared spitless. How big was the trailer? Because we're talking, you're saying that's rocking a trailer, and I'm thinking something that's probably 12, 14 feet. Is it something that's bigger than this? I'm just kind of curious on the strength that this picture had.

It was a little bit bigger than a home of 14 feet. It was maybe about 17 feet long, 17 feet somewhere in there. So we're talking something that could possibly weigh about 2,000 pounds, and it's shaking it like it's absolutely nothing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, no, I believe you. I'm just in awe thinking about it.

And they moved. The neighbors put the house up for sale, and they got the house sold, and they moved out there not too long after that. I was corresponding with an individual I thought was just an artist. With Indians, most people don't understand that in this subject specifically, that it's nothing is a blanket term. It really depends on not just a tribe, but a band. And so you kind of really have to, you know, so maybe, you know, one group's experienced neighbor's dog.

They have five different names for them, and they all refer to them as cannibals. Obviously, their experience was not a good one. Yeah, I've heard of this. I've heard of this. So I have to concede on that. You're right. You're absolutely right because there are a lot of stories from different tribes in different areas that you speak of them as cannibals and have stories about them stealing the children or the women.

Yeah, so I think it goes back to what you were saying. It depends on, you know, with all the individual and West, too, the individual, you know, personality traits. You know, it could be even how well they're fed in any particular day, if they're sick, their age, all that stuff, kind of, just like with people that comes into play, not just people, but other animals as well. No, I agree. It depends on individuals and all that addition and mental conditions. Right. I agree. I think that they're all, all can be different with different personalities.

I think that there are plans that have different behavioral patterns. I think there are some that are aggressive and other plans that are not so aggressive, more... Yeah, Weston, Woody, can tell you about aggressive. Yeah, we can tell you about the aggressive kind. I get a quick question for you. Yeah, it wasn't fun. My question to you is, so I know you think of them as people, which I told you earlier we wouldn't beat you up for. Woody might.

I won't. But, come on. I wouldn't do that. I think it's a possibility. I think it's a very possibility that they have humans, that they have human DNA and them. Not that they are all human. I think that something could have mixed back in, you know, with a meanderthals. I could come up with, you know, several different theories.

I think there's so much still that we don't know. So it's really hard to just say, you know, I've never. had one come up to say, hey, I'm human. You know, so I can't really say that, can I? And there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just curious how you got from gigantipiscus to how you feel like they're more

towards more human. Why do you feel that way? Is there something in particular that made you feel that way? I'm always curious when I hear people say that. I always want to find out why they feel that way. Why they feel it's not an animal, why they feel it's not more of along the line.

of like a, you know, ape or orangutang or something like that. I'm just kind of curious. Okay. Well, what really influenced me to begin to at least be open to changing my mind a little bit on the giganticicus theory is when I started listening to Ron Moorhead's recordings. And when Scott Nelson came into the picture and I began to. Here's some of the sessions of them breaking this down to language, and it just really blew me away. And I'm like, if they're capable of making sounds language or understanding human language and maybe trying to mimic it, what is there about these individuals that we still don't get known?

Are they possibly mixed with human DNA? Do they have the ability to interact and be somewhat human? The first one that I saw the one I was explaining or telling everybody about this face-to-face encounter, this one looked, this one didn't even have a heavy brow ridge. It had a medium brow ridge. But as I looked at him and there was nothing, nothing in the face of this individual but looked even remotely close to anything primate. And I can't explain that.

He looked animals as he was looking at me in the eye, but he looked human too. So you're saying that the monster that you were looking at actually had more of the human characteristics outweighed primate characteristics. Exactly. That's exactly what I'm saying. That is exactly what I'm saying. That's what I was kind of wondering when you were telling about your,

you know, that encounter, your face-to-face encounter. counter and you said that, you know, it had hair on the face. Well, we have, there's a lot of human, a lot of males that have, have beard. And then you said that it looked more human. And I was kind of, I was kind of curious and, you know, kind of along the same questions of what West was asking is what were the human, I guess what, I guess what were the human characteristics of the face? And you kind of already answered that, I guess, you know, about the brow ridge and whatnot.

What was going through your mind other than it being a monster? Were you like, this is like some superhuman thing? Did you really, I mean, what were you thinking? I was paralyzed. I literally was, it's almost like my mind went into a frozen lockdown mode, and I'm looking at this thing and he's looking at me. And I'm like, what are you? You know, what are you?

Was there any noises? Did it have any vocalizations or anything? No, he was just breathing. He was up and down. The steam was coming out of his nose. hitting the air because it was cold and he didn't bear his teeth at me. He didn't clenched his fist. He just stood there real quiet and just stood there, slightly moving, just slightly, slightly moving from side to side, just barely moving and just kind of was in this stance, like making this presence known.

I don't know if I turned around caught him by surprise. Maybe I wasn't supposed to see him. Maybe he's just going to run by. I don't know. but he was standing there like, oh, what are you looking at me? You know, why are you looking at me? I was like, what are you?

You know, it's just kind of like, what am I looking at? It's a monster. I don't know how I was to explain that to you. Yeah, no, that's crazy. What other, besides your face-to-face encounter and then the one in the trailer, what is probably, what would you say

is the most craziest thing that you've ever seen as far as all your encounters? Would it be your face-to-face? Would it be the trailer one? Would it be something else? Well, the face-to-face one was just the most... That's kind of hard to beat, right? The most profound, the most significant, the most troubling, the most, yeah, the most traumatizing thing that I could have ever...

I just can't even begin. And then all these years later, all these many, many, many years later, still, I have a hard time hearing people who had, you know, an encounter like this. And I'm like, how is it that I... I was just 14 years old. missing. Have you been back to that property since then? My mother still lived there. Oh, she does still live there.

Is there still things happening? Is there still things going on there? There is in that area. She had a dog. She had a dog. The dog has passed away now. But there were things that I believe my dog, her dog went out there one night and kept barking

and kept barking. There were times that she told me that he would just go out in the middle of the night and just start barking at the woods, bark and bark and bark and, And one night he went out, she went out and came back with an eye out. Flimpering and this dog's eye had been put out. And she had to take him to the emergency vet to be treated. So we don't know at this point. I don't know if a raccoon could do something like that.

I'm not sure. In that area, about a year ago or less, I had to be careful of my wording because I just wanted to sort of get the incident off his chest. but in that very, in that area. Well, I do believe that, and I'm going to tell you, I had a girlfriend, a happy girlfriend whose daughter, it was about four years ago. I want to say four years ago. She ran away from home.

She had a car, but they got in an argument, and she ran away from home. Well, she ended up driving down that same road right out there by the thrift area, okay, parked at her car in some driveway, some dirt driveway someplace there, and she was sleeping in her car trying to stay away from her mom. Well, she had an experience where one night she was hearing these noises and she raised up over the dashboard to look, and she saw these sets of eyes squatting down like she could see these silhouettes like, she said they were standing up and then they'd squat down.

And then they'd stand up and they'd squat down. And there was these dogs that were barking off to her right, I think. It was a house she said where there was these dogs going nest and they broke out of the fence. Well, these things take off. The dogs take off after them. And she said it really disturbed her because she couldn't figure out what that was. But with looking at her through these trees, squatting down and standing up, she said a week later, she went back there and was trying to stay there because she didn't know how to stay away from her mom.

Neighbors were walking around asking her. They came up and asked her if she'd seen these dogs and she said, well, she saw them about, you know, a while back and I guess it's been like two weeks and the dogs never came back I mean the dogs literally never came back they never found it's interesting in 1981 it made fun of us so bad one evening and was going the light you know there's right next to the side of the road and it was kind of jumping up and down a little bit like it was agitated and she drove within like two feet of the thing and then and she didn't tell me for years I went up to visit her one time and my brother-in-law went to another room for something and she says you can't you

can't tell Bill, I've got to tell you this. I could have said, well, yeah, you know, see, I told you so, but, you know, she was pretty shook up over it, and it just, you know, scared the hell out of her. Yeah, I believe that, and I think that, yeah, because I've heard other stories. My mom told me other stories about neighbors and few friends that she'd made in that area who had called her from time to time and reported, you know, told her about strange incidences. And, you know, people don't understand.

Nobody talked about it in those days because there were a lot of incidents in that area. I can tell you one. I can tell you a funny one real quick. My mom went to, down the road on that same area that you're talking about, to a lady's house, and there's a bunch of ladies there, and she was having a Tupperware party. And, of course, back of the day, had a Tupperware party. That's right.

Yeah, so there was this funky, foul smells, you know, and they were in the living room, and I guess this lady kept hearing some noises of everybody in there in the living room, you know, who are looking at the pepper I kept hearing this noise and smell in this smell, and the lady jumps up. Okay, this is interesting. My mom says the lady jumped up, just clumpy as heck.

Oh, excuse me, I'll be right back. You know, kind of like that, as a matter of fact. Walks over to the kitchen, slams the kitchen window, and my mom went in there and goes, is everything all right with her? She goes, oh, it's that thing. She goes, always shows up over here looking through my window, and she goes, a pirate of it. Oh, good Lord.

You know, and I'm like, what? And I said, no, I mean, you know what that was? And she goes, I know, but she acted like she was more mad at it that she was scared. And I'm like, I can't believe it. And this is on. She was one of the old Brunty Farm ladies, you know. She's one tough cookie. I bet she could work a shotgun.

She'd be out chasing him with a stick. Yeah. Yeah. She said to believe it. You're going to tell me he'd actually grab the broom and chased it. No. I would have liked to have her in the car when I had my encounter instead of winning. Yeah.

We need to take her out with us. Oh, that's hilarious. She was upset. She shows up. You know, and I'm like, what? I would be careful. I mean, like, she didn't not that way at all. She had to get more mad and bumpy and cranky over the whole deal.

What are some of the things that you're doing now? I mean, are you still, I can't imagine that you're not interested in the topic? What are things that you're doing now and how has your opinion changed of them? Well, I look what I said. I'm still on this journey. I'm still on this journey, learning journey. I'm very humble. I don't think that I'm anything special.

I guess I have had some pretty phenomenal experiences. I don't have my own page. I don't, you know, get videos and post them and try to get all this attention because I'm not interested in that. I'm more of a background kind of person. but I took a, you know, I've taken about three years off here and there because I blew two discs in my back. I had to have surgery and then I just had another surgery October 8th. But in between there, I found an area in Puyallel, not going to name the area, but there's a few researchers who are very well known, and one from the B. Well, don't name it, but go ahead and give, what's the GPS of it?

I'm just joking. You have the GPS of it? I'm just joking. It's somewhere in the vicinity of South Hill Piala. That's all I'm going to see. Nice. I'm just playing with you. Go ahead.

That's all I'm telling you. But I started getting some interaction out there, and I didn't realize it. I felt in this one area. I kept feeling like I wanted to go in there and wanted to go in and want to go in and want to do it. And I thought, you know what it is about this place? So I went in there, and I spent the last two and a half years going in there, and I found this one stump, And I thought, you know, I don't know why I'm getting these strange bird calls. I found I would go in there and find, I would go down a trail and I would turn around to come back and I would find, I found a bird that had its head pulled off and had been put set right in the trail that I had just gone down and it wasn't there before.

And then I found a walk on a stump. I'd gone farther into the woods. I was chasing around looking and I came back and there's this rock sitting on this stump. And I thought, huh. And I thought, you know what, I'm going to try something. I'm going to start doing what some of these other people are doing, and I'm going to start setting up a gifting area. And so, you know, what I've been doing is, you know,

setting up some gifts here and there, some apples, peanut butter sandwiches, whatever, have you? I even put a sleigh bill out there. Well, all of a sudden, things started happening summer before last, and I was given just an excellent, a beautiful rock fan. that was left for me on this stump, and I was blown away when I found it. And the rock stack, the top rock was set.

I don't know how that was set like that. I had a picture of it, and for those who want to friend me on Facebook, you can go to my profile page and you can see the pictures, some of these pictures. For those who may already be part of the site, International Society for Forest People, Tom Cantrell actually went out there with me

at one point and I found a rock that had a face like a mouth engraved on it. I mean, I don't know what some of these people I hear think about gifting, but it is real because it's been happening to me. Playbill, I've been given two rock decks of claybell that I had put in a certain pattern with some other food had been taken and put behind the stump, like something jammed its hand in there and made a ledge out of it. it and hit it behind the stump. It was pretty funny, actually. I thought that was kind of cute. But that's been happening to me.

And my friend, I've been kind of teaming up with Judy Feliskie. I'm not sure who knows her out there, but she's got a great dog, Thurston. And, you know, we've been visiting some places. We've gone out a few times with Clark Shoup in Greenwater, which is a very interesting area, Greenwater. And her and I did a, with Judy did a night sit-out. there I guess you could call it, we went to traipsing out through the night, and she's got a great dog too. And we had something approach us, I'm not sure what it was, but something was out there,

and we thought we'd heard a call of some type. In my area, I've heard some rock clacking, I've heard whistles. It was a pretty amazing structure that was just maybe 20 feet from the gifting stump. So I'm just doing what I can, you know. I've been trying to recover from this surgery, so I really haven't been able to. able to do exactly what I want. But Judy and I've been out in, huh? I said I can imagine with back surgery, you know, having the blown desk.

Yeah, it would be tough. It's really depressing because my heart, I want to get out there on a little bit of this stuff and it's like you just, you cannot, you have to recover. And then now this other surgery, so I have like another month of recovery time and then maybe in the spring. But Judy and I have had some incidences at a cabin that she has taken me. two a couple of times of summer at Ocean Shores. And we went to Quinault National Forest and went through there.

Heard some interesting stuff and found some interesting stuff. But then National Forest you usually do. What did you hear? What did you hear by, Jen? What are the things you heard? Calls, like howls, like little work, you know, here and there. And her dog, first and, you know, picked up on it right away. And we would look at each other like, oh, did you hear that?

Yeah, I've heard that. You've lived out in the woods. I mean, you know the different animal sounds. So I'd imagine you'd pick up on it pretty quick. Oh, yeah. You know, like the house in my property that I was raised on, the one I was talking about originally. And these houses I'd hear every night at sunset,

it's like the whole family would hear it. We would just look at each other like, what is that? You know, what is that? That's not like any animal I've never heard. So on the gifting, you call it a gifting stump, do you ever get suspicious of maybe someone's messing with you? Maybe, and I say this respectfully, I think I'd be a little suspicious if, like, somebody left me a pile of rocks or somebody left me, I don't know, I mean, are you ever suspicious? I've ever, ever, ever stop and think, you know, I don't know, maybe, I guess I don't know how to ask a question. I guess I'd be a little bit suspicious of what goes to your mind when you leave something and then you come back and then there's a pile of rocks or something's been changed of the area.

Well, the only reason – yeah, no, I'm on that train. I thought about that. I thought about that. The day that that happened, there was nobody out there at all. And when I found the first one, the top rock, the top rock almost looked like it defied gravity. I don't know for defy physics. It should have fallen. I don't understand that. I still do this day. I don't understand how that one rock could stay or be placed in some of these rocks were positions where they should have fallen. And they were so perfectly balanced that I was just amazed.

I was absolutely amazed. And, yeah, I mean, yeah, sure, of course. Of course I thought, you know, I wonder if somebody did this. Is it possible? I'm sure it is possible. I know that other people have had the same thing happen after leaving food gifts and things like that. So they're supposed to be among some people say that there is quite significance

and that other people have been given these rocks' sex and that it's not in common, actually. that it has happened, I was left a little stick-like, almost looks like a stick-like structure on the stump that was jammed into the stump that kind of resembled a little fence. I still don't know what to think about that. So, of course, you know, I mean, you want to debunk everything. You don't want to just go running out there and going, oh, my gosh, look what was given me. I mean, of course. What did you say?

What did you say? What did you say? it resembled? It resembled what now? It kind of resembled. It was like an intricate little fence. Kind of looked like a little sense structure.

Oh, I got you. Yeah, little sticks that had been jammed into the top of the stump and crossed over, you know, lace through, and it kind of looked like a little fence-like structure, and I thought that's weird. Of course, you know, I'm not going to, it's

definitely possible. It's always possible that someone did that. Given as many encounters and situations that I've been through, you know, you sit around and you wonder, huh, is it possible? Did I just get given a gift?

And I've talked to other people who have also had the same thing happen to them in very, very remote areas where nobody was also. And it was known Sasquatch, you know, it was a Sasquatch area. No, and I appreciate it,

Yeah, I was just kind of curious on if that crushed your mind. Sure it did. Sure it did. It's hard to relate to something like that until you've experienced it, I guess. I haven't experienced that, but that'd be one of the first things that goes from my mind. But, you know, if you're out in an area where no one knows about the stump, no one knows about the gifting stump, and you show up and there's pure things gone and something else is there. You know, I mean, I could see where you would go with that, where you would think, well,

especially if it happens repetitively and over time, you know. And I didn't mean to cut you up. I'm sorry. I was just kind of say that another reason that I kind of accepted that that's a possibility is because of an area I lived in in Puellup, lined by woods behind my house. I've seen them. I mean, I've literally, they've allowed me to see them. And they would take ornaments, garden ornaments, out of my garden and give me rocks.

I hope one-handed through a big chunk of wood at my house and the whole place just vibrated. I mean, I've just gotten home from work, and I thought, what is going on, you know? So, you know, I know that the give and take thing, you know, that they have the capability of, you know, like they took a really cool garden globe-like thing that I had, gave me a rock instead, you know.

But it was pretty cool rock, actually. It almost looked like a petroglyph, almost like a, It looks like a person had been engraved on it or something. It does. It actually looks like a petroglyph of some sort. I've had a couple of experiences after that were just something that I could not explain. And, you know, I have a hard time bringing up one of them because I don't want to come off as one of those people that, you know, what do they call it, ten-hat people or the email? I don't want to come off as this.

You know, you hear these stories where people make fun of people when they talk about certain. phenomenon or abilities of Sasquatches and other researchers who are other people make fun of them saying, you know, oh, you wear a tin hat too? You know, I'm not one of those people. But when I moved to this property... I was going to tell you, I'll tell you a crazy thing that happened to me and Woody, then hopefully you'll tell us ours. But if you're just going to go and tell us yours, then go ahead. Oh, I had moved to this property in Trollope. I had moved to this property in Trollope, and I knew when I got there. I mean, I just, it was the strangest male. I had this strange feeling come over me, and I don't know why. I don't know why, but I kept looking at the woods, and I kept thinking, am I going crazy,

or is there something going on here? Because I keep, anyway, so I moved in. My son, my son had the first experience where he was leaving the house, and something shipped the tree beside the place and scared the living daylights and growled at him. He calls me from the neighbors and tells me, I'm not coming back there. I'm not coming back there. I've never heard anything like that before. Okay. Well, then on Saturday morning something was tapping on the window,

and I was still sleeping. It was early, early morning now where it was just a cracker dawn. And I kept laying there thinking, what is tapping on my window? Is there a new neighbor or something? Somebody's in trouble or what's going on? And it kept tapping. Well, by then it's starting to get a little bit lighter. So I get up and I go to the window.

I go down the hallway to the living room, and I go to open up the table. I have no explanation for this. I'm standing there. I open up the curtains to see the back of a very large, very tall, black Sasquatch walking away from my window. And it just kind of vaporized. It kind of vaporized before my eyes, and I thought, I just sit there and shift my head

like, what just happened? What just happened? And I never told anybody for a long time because I thought, this is ridiculous. I don't know what I did, I just saw what just happened. That same one, though, I saw twice more. And he was solid in his body or whatever. I saw him. He let me see him.

And then I saw another one on that same property. And this home was pretending that it was trying to be part of the tree. And that blew my mind. That one right there blew my mind because it never dawned on me that. Perhaps this may be a way that they hide. I saw it literally. trying to pretend putting its arms across the limbs and, you know, pretending to be part of a tree.

And I got so close to it, I actually popped up to it because I couldn't. I was leaving for work and I thought, why does that tree look funny? And I got out and I walked up there. And I literally backed up. I backed up because I thought, why is it doing this and why am I so close? I'm getting away. So I left, but, I mean, it just blew my mind. I've had some pretty amazing experiences.

and I've heard that before. I've heard that one before, believe it or not. I never have. You and I talked about that earlier, and I've heard of a few encounters where the person who is recounting the encounter, they say that the Sasquatch kind of put its arms up and was still like a tree, almost like it was trying to mimic a tree. Mimic a tree.

I mean, it stood there, and it was like, I forget one of the encounters that actually was in Washington is too as well. into a logger, he was walking up this road and he came upon one, and it froze and kind of put its arms out and just kind of froze there. And the way he was recounting it is he was saying that it reminded him of someone like a little kid trying to act like a tree standing in the older road, and it was like frozen. And he didn't really understand what it was doing. He started walking towards it and then it took off. I've heard that a few times, actually, believe it or not. Well, I've never heard, when that happened to me, I've never heard anybody say that before. I never, but then as I was thinking about it one day, I thought, wow, maybe this is a way, one of the ways

that they hide in plain sight. Yeah, I mean, the military and any, you know, any, a form of stealth is actually not moving. I'm sure Will knows that from the military, but a part, the best form of stealth is actually don't move because our eyes will catch movement. Our eyes will actually, most hunters, most beginner hunters, the first thing they'll look for, it's movement. The best self out there is not to move. You know, don't move, and your eyes won't pick up on what you're seeing. This one was looking up, and it was in a frozen state. It was looking up, and it wouldn't blink.

It wouldn't need. They just kept looking up. And I thought, I cannot even believe that I'm just close to this thing. I better back up because I just, I still took that. That was pretty amazing that I got that close to that thing, and I didn't get attacked. You know, so that kind of, that kind of freaked me out a little bit because I thought, wow, that thing was like maybe, I don't know, 40 feet from my house. I know that the four of us, we don't have to, we all know that there's a Sasquatch and we don't, no one has to prove anything to us. But what is your opinion as far as, what is it going to take for the rest of the world to prove to them that there is a Sasquatch?

Is it going to take a body? Is it going to take DNA? What are your thoughts on that? You know, at this point in time, it seems to me from everything that I've heard that, I'm not even, I don't believe in killing them. I'm sorry. I do not believe in killing them.

I don't think that's the right thing to do. I think it's wrong. Maybe I guess if they had one right in front of them, would they even still believe it then? There would probably be a lot of naysayers then. I think that, you know, it really is. going to take each and every person, you know, it's going to take people actually having their own encounters, seeing and experiencing as a presence and the site of one of those, as

far as I'm concerned. I mean, DNA, yeah, that helps, you know, DNA helps, but does it? You know, all these people coming forward and saying, hey, I got DNA, I can prove it, and look at the community. You know, there's still all these arguments and all these bick rings and, you know, there's a lot of people out there who are pro-kill and they want to kill. I'm really sad for that. I wish that wouldn't happen.

I'm sorry. I'm one of those people who don't believe in that. But if one was to be recovered, I mean, okay, let me say this. What if it was a mean big vote? Okay, the government knows a lot. Huh? What if it was a mean big vote? Would you be okay with that?

If it was kind of a jerk? If one was shot and it was on it and it was trying to kill a man and it had intent to kill and the man was defending itself, just like if somebody broke in my house, and I had to defend myself, then what can you do? You're defending yourself. Yeah. You know, then I guess what he is is.

But for somebody to just go out in the wood looking for one and just shoot it, you know, it's just senseless to me. But what if they shot one that was kind of a jerk, though? I'm just joking. I don't know. I know. But why would it be here? Will you want to take over here?

A lot of different directions with that. This is where Will chimes in and cleans up your mask, Wes. It's young. What if it had babies right next to it? What if its mate was right behind of it? What if its family and clan was right there? And it was responsible for protecting? I don't know.

There could be different reasons why it was being a crank, you know? I just wish that people wouldn't think of shooting one to prove its existence. I would much rather people start stepping forward and telling the world, hey, by the way, I saw one or, you know, people coming forward and realizing, you know, I'm not out to prove any, I know they exist. Right. And that's like the war of a few, you know, none of the military knows there's. And the military knows.

Yeah, the military knows, the government knows. During the Mount St. Helens, when Mount St. Helens blew up, they know. Actually, let me get, let me clarify something on that. I was a key sergeant in the unit that did the work in Mount St. Helens and none were found there. So that story was incorrect? That's incorrect. That's baloney. That was, I know the person who made it.

I was there, and I knew all the pilots, and they knew what my hobby was at the time, and I would have been told, you know, behind the scenes. Becky, you're not alone on that, because on a previous show, I asked you that same question. Well, remember that, because I heard the same rumor. Right. Yeah, that's one that's floated around, and there's some people in the community that, you know, keep pushing that. And it's, you know, I was a sergeant with the Fifth Cavalry, and I, I know exactly what was going on there, and there was nothing like this found.

Well, I stand corrected. I'm glad that you told me that story, but now I know the food behind it. You know, a lot of the animals, you know, animals have a sense for things, and we talked about this a couple of shows ago about, you know, sound, infrasound and things like that. Animals know, like when a volcano is going to erupt, you know, the herds of elk, everything cleared out of that area. So.

You know, that's interesting that you brought that part, that little thing up to, because in the 1964 earthquake, everything quieted down around that property for like a month. We'd ever heard of heap or nothing when that earthquake hit out here in 1964. Everything quieted down for about a month. Yeah, animals know that. They hear that stuff, you know, and they're dangerous. Yeah, this is interesting. I'm glad you told me that.

Yeah, so, I mean, it's, you know, that's something that people that get, involved in the whole Bigfoot thing, they don't think outside, you know, the boundaries of what they think they know. You know, and I've done this for 40 years, I've been involved in this 20 years that think they're experts. And I just take my head, you know, you guys don't know anything. And most of them, you know, they call themselves experts have never even seen one, so. No, I'm far from the next year.

I've just had raw experiences, and I share them with whoever wants to listen. I am part of them. None of us that have seen them think we're experts. We know we're not. No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. And, you know, timely need to kind of have a look at the bigger picture. The thing about it, too, and Becky, you can probably agree with me, and I'd like to have your opinion on it, too, is we've kind of talked a little bit about before on previous shows and private conversations.

And you take people that actually have had an encounter, they're probably some of the most critical people there are, far as making the assumption that it's a Sasquatch or Bigfoot right away. Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, there's some of the best, I don't know, what's the work? Critics. Will that be the good? Yes, skeptics, critics. As far as, you know, what they saw.

They try to rule out everything before saying automatically it's a Bigfoot. But you take people that actually, and I hate to say this, and I don't want to make anybody upset, but you take people that haven't had an encounter and they automatically assume. Everything is Bigfoot. Everything is big foot. Bigfoot, it shook our tent. We heard this. You know, we heard, you know, and it's like, well, come on, you know, I mean,

I don't know. I don't know. I think when you've seen one, you have to second guess everything because partly it goes back to that shock, you know, and all, so you sort of, when you see something else, it's like, you know, is that what that is? You know, you start, you know, you make a decision based on

everything you've seen instead of automatically making an assumption, I think, is what it is. Absolutely. Yeah, you know, I agree with you. I totally agree with you. I think that of the ones that I've seen, most of them were up close to the point where I knew what they were.

And each time that it happened to me, I just, I felt that shocking sensation go over me again, like, realizing. Yeah, you don't get used to it. My brain trying to take it in again and saying, you know, each time I was like shaking and like, did I just see again

what I just thought I saw? Is that what, you know, you know, and you're looking at it and you're thinking, oh my gosh, here we go again, you know, because when you're so close, there's no mistaking what you're seeing. I saw one again in 1988 and had exactly the same feeling. Yeah, it's a shock. It's a, I don't know, it just shakes your whole system.

Yeah. It kind of shakes your framework, you know. Yeah. I mean, it's an interesting thing. I'm cautious when I go out in the woods because I do feel like they're possibly maybe more than one type. And I think they are individual, and I think that some are very aggressive and some that are not quite just so aggressive. And I think a lot of people just go running out in the woods thinking, oh, they all love it. They all love us.

They think they're Harry and Henderson's. Yeah. I jokingly tell people, you know, they go running out thinking they're Harry and the Henderson's, and they're setting themselves up to be a meal, you know, and that's just a bulk of joke, you know. But if you go running out there, I mean, it's not just a Sasquatch or, or. or the other species, there's bear, there's cougar, there's everything else. You can't just run out like an idiot and think you're going to grab one by the butt hairs, you know, and drag them in. You better have your wits about you and have a little, use a little brain power.

Otherwise, you're going to be in trouble, whether it's, you know, getting lost or getting hurt out there or, you know, something that's not exactly friendly, you know. I agree with you. I totally agree with you. Or a squatch that's ill-tempered, I think. You just don't know. I think I would rather run into a cranky sales watch, I think, than a Cougar. I agree.

I'm apprehensive about that one. I mean, that one's dangerous. Really. Especially today there's so many more of them around. Yeah. And now, I do have one more thing that I'm going to follow up with. I'm going to tell you about it. It is in Pierce County also.

There's a woman who's having an experience on her property has been going on for a while, but she shot at one. She shot at one and she wants me to come out on the property and I'm like, huh, you know, I don't know how I feel about after she's shot at one, you know. Well, that could be a very dangerous situation. Yeah, if she's already shot at one, a lot of times they're real aggressive once they've been shot at and she wants me to come out, you know, and check this out. And I'm sitting here thinking about this and I'm like, hmm, do I really want to go? It might not be the same thing. Yeah, exactly.

But it's caught my interest. I mean, I'm interested, but I'm not willing to end up in the hospital either over it. Exactly. Sounds like you may need some backup. I think Wes and I will be the perfect candidates for that. Let's go check it out. Well, I'll call you. I can get a whole of this girl, and she's willing to do that.

Hey, I'm all for it because I don't want to go out there by myself. Oh, there you go. Well, now you've got some help. We'll do it. Yeah, I'll contact her. and see what she's doing. I'll get a hold of you guys. Yeah, and if you're ever down here, Becky,

we'll take you up to Muppet Mountain. We'll show you the area that we ran into it. We call it Muppet Mountain, but it's Jack Old Mountain. I appreciate you guys that offer. I would love to go. Yeah, we'll show you a picture of the footprints we got. We got lots of footprints. That's awesome.

That's awesome. I'd love to go. That's great. Yeah. They're not real nice. up there though they're kind of jerk oh yeah but I'm what you guys you'd be fun yeah you'd be fun yeah

you'd be fun it'd be fun I think we're just about a time we've got about a minute and a half left here Rebecca I wanted to thank you for being on the show tonight and you're so welcome it takes a lot of nerve to come out and voice your opinion and play your story you know from I'm sure

Wes and Will also agree we really appreciate being on the show. We need more people like you out there to come out and, you know, just speak your mind and explain what's going on and what's happened in your life. So we really appreciate that. We really do. Well, I just, if it will help anybody out there, I'm not interested in fame. I'm not interested in money. I don't care about, you know, I prefer not to be, you know, if somebody's going to criticize me, please keep it to yourself. But, you know, I, what I say is speak is the truth. What has happened to me is the truth. And if it'll help anybody out there, you know,

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