Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:60 Bigfoot charged my car!

Episode Date: November 10, 2014

Tonight we interview a listener who contacted the show and wanted to share encounter story of a Sasquatch running towards her car.

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What's on, what are you reporting? What's going on now, sir?

That's sort of a bitch is about six foot. Yes, I'm looking right in. Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles. If you'd like to give us a call, phone number is 646-716-8791. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the show. As Shannon's aware of it, I think Will is somewhat aware of it. Man, I almost missed the show tonight.

My own show. That's what happens when a personal life intrudes on the show. That's right. Yeah. It's crazy. My son was playing soccer today, and it was like a, two and a half hour drive there and then two and a half hours to get back. And it's funny.

Like with women, I had my girlfriend drive back because she's more of a lead foot than I am. Women have this ability to, to tailgate someone and be within a matter of inches of hitting their bumper and going at like 75 miles an hour, and it doesn't phase them one fit. They are one with the bumper. Yeah, I'm in the passenger seat.

Like, I'm all for it, but my butt cheeks are clenched and, like, I'm holding on for dear life. And I'm like, please don't hit the break. You know, you're about to die any second, you know, a horrible, painful death. It'll be over quick. Yeah. Gosh, so many things to get to. I know December 1st, we have the website going live. And I'm getting pretty excited about that.

I know there's a lot of people that have questions about, you know, I feel like we've answered a lot of the questions. If you have questions about the website, you know, feel free to call in tonight. I'm going to try and start taking more calls than I have in the past. Again, the number to call in is 646-716-8791. But December 1st, that website goes live and we'll have a bunch of paid content and the free content that everyone's been getting. So we hope that our fans will support us in our endeavor to build upon the show and make it bigger and better than what it is now.

And we appreciate everyone's feedback and everyone's response to us taking the show on this route. We definitely appreciate everyone's feedback. Man, there's so many things to get to. Did you guys see that, I was just reading about it, the soldier in Afghanistan that claims to have gotten, he didn't know what it was. He said it was a gorilla, but it was at night and they were in the mountains, and they had their thermals on. And the way he described it,

he said it was an upright walking gorilla, and like none of the soldiers could figure out what is this guerrilla doing out here in the middle of the Afghan desert out in the mountains. And I haven't really heard of any encounters out there. I know last week we had the lady from Mexico on Lili, and it was interesting to hear that, but have you guys ever heard of any encounters out there in Afghanistan?

Actually, and I hate to say this, because I can't really talk too much about it yet anyway, but I do have information about these creatures in that part of the world. Awesome. Oh, okay. I had not heard that story. And the reason I can't talk about it is if I talk about the details, it will give away the source of that information.

Yeah. So hopefully down the road I'll be able to come out with that. More come. Cool. I could turn on the elevator music for the fans to listen to. and we can just talk about it privately and see if you want to me. No, I'm curious. Yeah, let's go ahead and mute out for a second. Yeah, it's crazy.

I've never heard of encounters in that part of the world. I know Sean had sent me an encounter, and I'm going to try and get Sean on the phone. He's with the co-founders of a lot. Alberta Sasquatch.com. And he had interviewed some people that had an encounter right. Remember when we had Gord on? And Gord was talking about going, he was the Mount Viker.

Well, it was a very interesting county cent. Right. There's one that's even more fascinating. In that area, this couple was going down the same area that Gord was describing. And I don't want to give too much of it away, but it was kind of a scary encounter. They had kind of surrounded them and pushed them back down the trail. And then one was actually standing in the trail. And so it kind of hurted them.

They felt like they were kind of being hunted and herded into an area. And make a long story short, they hurted into this open clearing. And these creatures are all around them in the bushes. And night's starting to fall. And so they start freaking out. And they decide to leave. They decide to get back on the trail and run. but it was kind of interesting.

The way they tell the story is like we felt like we were kind of hunted and herded to a certain area because when they were walking down the trail after they had seen one of the creatures, they turned around and start running down the trail, and they could hear movement on both the left side and the right side. And the movement on the right side stopped, but in front of the trail directly in front of them was one standing right there. And so they kind of got off trail and into this open clearing. It's a real fascinating encounter, and I'm working on getting it on for the show.

It sounds like they're being pushed into an ambush location. Yeah, that's kind of what they said. That's exactly how they felt, like they were being pushed into an ambush. They were kind of herded into a certain area, and they said they felt because night was falling, and they were pushed into this one open clearing, and he finally made the decision that they'll go back out on the trail, and if they face that thing again, they'll face it again, but they won't make it here sitting in this clearing all night. I can't wait to get them on.

I'd love to hear that story. It must be tough to feel like that's your only option after already seeing it in the trail like that and feeling there around you. That must be really terrifying. Yeah. No, I got a great encounter. It's one that we had recorded earlier in the week,

and Shannon got a small, taste of what it's like to vet some of the people that we have on the show. I think a lot of people think we just show up, click on the mic, and we got a wonderful guest, and there's really not a lot of work that goes into the show. But I'm sure as you found out, Shannon, there's actually a lot of work that goes into making sure it's, you know, it's a good story and it's something that's actually happened. There's so many that Will and I have had on people that we've interviewed in the past and you know I don't want to say anything disparaging but some of the some of the people I'm just like I you know I don't know what you saw I have no idea what you're talking talking about

we'll just move it at that yeah we'll just leave it at that yeah we'll just leave it at that yeah it's been a learning curve for me so that's just yeah there you go yeah no before we get to playing that encounter, it was a great encounter of a Sasquatch that kind of charged a car and then it was interesting to listen to some of the behaviors. Do you guys want to take a phone call before we jump into that?

Yeah, do it. How are you tonight? And this is a, like, you know, stopped me fishing with my mother. She worked for PG&E and had access to PG&E cabins on the pit river. My encounter and I didn't figure, I did not see

Bigfoot, but I'm going to leave you guys since you guys are the experts. That's what I call them. The Shannado always had all the tunes, the Led Zeppelin, and it's one particular evening, and I do remember we were watching the animals gathered together, Grooving, lots of little ones, including monkeys and squirrels and raccoons, all having a giant feast.

It's what happened, what the canyon talk about it, and nobody talks about it. The screams were getting closer each time that would get in a vocal version. Had to have scaled. So you guys didn't, you didn't, you didn't, Talk to anybody about it and you didn't go back out there to look for any sort of sign or anything what might have seen. No, and nobody said nothing about it.

And I didn't think anything too much about it, you know. So when you heard the screams get equated to Bigfoot. At that point, thing like it, because we did it sounded like coming to get you. Go up with the front to the cabin and we put everything in. And they were pay hot springs, you know, just hang on for a second. And she said, yeah, but there's no batteries. And I go, oh, geez, I'm walking. Oh, nice.

I'm walking back up this road. Caught it just, just on, still on the dirt road. And I can see that I'm walking my camp. A step I put down, and this is in 1988, 89, each step to move again, cry. It wasn't trying to use stuff here at all. I didn't forget how to pray. You're finding God. You're finding God at this point, Chris.

Oh, that would be the time to, definitely. Yeah, I've been there. I laughed, but I've been there. there was nothing nothing to save my butt that PG&E land you have to keep moving but here I am I'm standing

at 20 people I'm looking I'm ready to F something up now because I've never had something like that happened to me to where I had to pray like that it messed with my ego I'm a big guy you know I'm about too I didn't know what the heck

made it back and I didn't talk about that just continued on our our thing because I didn't want nobody to think that and obviously it had what I could imagine and they didn't even have you know I know they had a lot of pro side so we didn't know Chris and I'm sorry to me to cut you off this isn't far from Mount Shasta correct this is very close to Mount Shasta and uh so what did you think it was I mean what did you think this thing was I knew what it was I knew what it was at that but really I knew what it was at that point. I didn't really want to tell

anybody else that, and the crazy thing is, is National Park. I know that area. One night, he's not charging me any rent. Taking the trash out, and listen to this, that's the either big, you know what, that's good or literate. I came upon

Oregonbighfoot.com on megaphones, then you know sounds like. Yeah, people don't understand the volume. Well, listen, Chris, I can appreciate that. Yeah, and I mean, I appreciate you guys. We don't know what it was. I can ram us in between a trailer park from my friend's house to another in the bog. And hear something.

Oh, my God. I'm in the middle of this low. I appreciate you guys. Well, thanks, Chris. I would definitely say the vocalizations you've heard were probably Sasquatch. Yeah. I know those areas pretty well. A lot of bear up there.

I see bear all the time up there, and they don't make those kinds of noises. It drives my family crazy because you guys are like, I mean, You know, it's funny. I always use that analogy, and I hate using that analogy because, you know, sort of make the subject plug pad, but it really is. And once you've experienced this, you really can't relate to it. Oh, I need to talk to. I did not get a chance to talk with Dave Polack. I definitely wouldn't say I did it before him.

Back on it, like a fiend. And I can't wait to move back up and make some more sense of this. But thank you guys. Right. Oh, thank you for calling in, Chris. We really do appreciate it. I, you know, he gives some details in there. Sometimes when he hears certain encounters, like you've always said,

and I'm starting to really develop that. You can pick up when you hear BS right off the bat or when you hear something legitimate right off the bat. And with Chris, I picked it up right off the bat that this guy heard something, man. When you hear what he's talking about with those screams and those roars, and you can't put an animal to it. It's just too loud. it's too, it has too much range.

There's no way that it's a bobcat. It's no way that it's a cougar. You start going down through the list. And so I kind of, I laughed a little bit, but I got what he was saying when he started praying to God and you're like, hey, if you get me out of this, I'll quit drinking, I'll quit. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Right. And you notice what he did was really good. He went through the whole list of things to rule out first. You know, Bigfoot wasn't even on the list. And when somebody jumps to the conclusion, the first thing is Bigfoot, I'm a little suspect. But when somebody runs down that list, and I've heard so many people over the years, and you're right, the more encounters you listen to, the faster you're able to tell whether something is real. It's maybe they heard something.

They're not sure, or it's complete garbage. Right. No, I think, I think Chris. Yeah. Yeah, no, I think Chris really. Yeah, no, it's really good. Yeah, I think so, too. Well, we got a lot of calls tonight.

I know I got an encounter I want to play, but I want to jump to some of these calls. I know last week or on Wednesday when we did the call-in show, we really didn't get to 10% of the phone calls we had. Let's jump to Dan. Dan, welcome to the show. Hi. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, absolutely. You want to tell us about your encounter?

Yeah. This happened about five years ago. I was on a website. I don't know if I'm allowed to say the name of the website, but I was on, I'm going to say which site it is, but if that's against the rules, I apologize. But I was on, I was doing some, I was on Oregon, Bigfoot and dot com, and I was in the live chat forums talking back and forth with some people

who have had encounters. And so I live in Georgia, and so what I was looking to do was to kind of roll up my sleeve and get my nose in the dirt and start researching, you know, the field of Sasquatch myself. And in the forums, I met a guy who lives just above me in Tennessee. And so we got to know one another, you know, exchanged emails, phone calls, talk to here and there. to make a long story short, we basically agreed to go to North Georgia, specifically White County, where there's been a consistent, I guess, not only say outbreak, but just consistent sightings in that county around the fall of every year

for the last few years. And so he came down from Tennessee. I drove from, I'm in the suburbs of Atlanta, but I drove up to North Georgia and we met. And what we did was we came up with this plan where we were going to go set up a camp and then we were going to bring a bunch of gear with us, you know, like cameras and stuff like that. So hopefully we could have an encounter. Hopefully we can maybe find some evidence and we could log it and, and do our own research.

So what we did was he owns or owns an RV. And so we picked an RV camping site. That's where we parked the RV. But then we went hiking by ourselves for a solid, gosh, I don't know, it was a good six, seven hours. We took breaks in between, obviously. But to go to this particular spot where we wanted to go, it was an entire day's worth of hiking.

So we went, we came to a particular spot, and we were way up in the North Georgia Mountains. Well, I don't know if this, at the time I thought it was a good idea. Maybe it was, I don't know, but looking back on it, I'm not quite sure if this was a good idea, but once we picked our spot to camp, I decided I was going to go camp somewhere about maybe 100 to 200 yards away. And then this other person, and I'm going to refer to him as Jim. That's not his real name, but I'm going to call him Jim for right now.

Jim set up his camp, and then I set up my camp about a couple hundred yards away. And the plan was to take kind of, we're going to have some dinner, take a nap, and they go out at night because these creatures are mostly not. and so we were going to go out at around midnight. So we had a pair of walkie-tokies. I was on one. He was on the other. We set up our camps.

I had brought a couple sandwiches, so I ate those and I was all set to go. Now, Jim, what he did was he had packed some bacon and a small frying pan. And I know that sounds kind of corny, but it plays a significant role in, and what happens later on. So it was dark, or it was getting dark. I had eaten my sandwiches. I was ready to take a nap. Jim, there was a creek not too far away.

I'd say probably, I don't know, maybe just 50 yards away, not that far. He decides that he's going to walk down to the creek to wash out the bacon grease out of his little pan. On his way to the creek, he drops the frying pan, and everything's, all the bacon grease that was in the pan lands in the ground. Now, I can't prove this, but it's my theory that when you drop bacon grease in the middle of the wilderness, that's like opening, that's like bringing the dinner bill for any wild like to come on through and take a sniff.

But nonetheless, so he, you know, got, he washed out his pan, what was left of it, went back to the campsite, and we communicated on the walkie-talkie one more. time, okay, you know, we're going to set the alarm on our watches, take a nap, and head out around midnight. I guess it was about, I don't know, about 45 minutes later, Jim, excuse me, Jim came over my walkie talk and he sounded frightened. So I replied back, I said, what's the matter? And he said he thought he heard what sounded like very heavy footsteps around the

perimeter of his campsite. Now, neither of us carried a sidearm, which is probably looking back a big mistake. But I said, well, stay in your tent, grab your camera, try to see if you can get anything on film. His tent, as well as mine, but his tent had the little mesh windows. They're mesh, and you can still see out them, but, you know, they're made like that, so they keep the bugs out. I said, well, look out through your mesh windows, see if you can see. anything and about I'd say about 30 seconds later he comes over the walkie-talkie and he's claiming he can see what looks like a big huge outline of a creature along the tree line um I got back on the

walkie-tucky and I asked him well what's happening now and in a kind of a low frightened voice he said that he lost sight of the outline of this creature now about 20 seconds goes by and Jim comes back over my walkie-talkie, and I couldn't make out what he was saying, because it sounded so muffled and almost panicky. Before I could make out what he was saying over the walkie-talkie, I could clearly hear Jim screaming his head off, like in an uncontrolled panic. I went running out of my tent towards his sight.

I could still hear the cries and screams coming from him for about another 20, 25 seconds. And needless to say, I was unbelievably frightened. I thought he'd being hurt or even worse killed. So I'm running towards his campsite with my flashlight, and he started running towards me, and he was completely terrified. And I tried to calm him down as best as I could. I'd say it was probably a solid 15, 20 minutes before he actually could speak in a way that I could understand him.

but what he told me was is that when he was looking out his little mesh windows of his tent um uh he saw what looked like big just you know big bodies just walking by his tent he couldn't tell what part of the body

but they were just really really big and very very hairy um and then when when he was screaming and was in panic what was happening was his tent was being shaken very, very violently. His tent shook for a solid, I'd say 15, 20 seconds, and that's when I was hearing the panic screams.

Needless to say, we got back in the tent. Well, I got back in his tent with him, and I just stayed the rest of the night because he was so unbelievably frightened. The next morning, we didn't get any sleep, obviously, but the next morning when the sun finally came up, we piqued our heads out, didn't see anything. We stepped outside the tent, and there was a lot of leaves on the ground,

so we didn't see any prints or anything. But what we did find is that that little spot where he had spilled the bacon grease, there was a mass concentration of humongous footprints. And Jeremy had his camera, so we took photos of those, a little bit later after we took those photos we you know we sat down had some coffee and Jim was you know really calm at this point and he basically just looked at me and said from here on now I am not going to participate in any Sasquatch research ever again I suppose at the he has a wife and two kids and I just don't think he felt like if he continued on he was

you know, he was going to, I don't think he felt like there was a good idea to put his life in danger doing this. So, at the end, I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead, I'm sorry. I'm just going to ask, he wouldn't. Okay. Well, let me just say this. To this day, again, Jim, and that's not his real name, but, and I'm not using his real name because to this day, he doesn't want anything. to do with Bigfoot. He won't even spend any significant amount of time out in the wilderness.

Like even if he just wants to hunt or fish, he won't even do that. Now, this happened five years ago. He did ask me to, you know, he said if you want to share this story, you can, but don't use my real name. And he also requested not to share the photos. He kept the photos, and I didn't deny his request. But just a little side. I mentioned that in the morning when the sun had come up and we peaked up the tent and we looked and everything was clear.

When I went back to my little campsite, because remember I had set up about 100, 150 yards away, my campsite was trashed. I mean, just trashed. Everything was just scattered, like just absolutely vandalized. And we were the only two humans out there. So. When he saw the bodies moving outside of the mesh, did he have any idea of how many there were? He definitely said more than one, but he did not give me a definitive number.

Okay. So, and so I, so my, you know, I didn't see anything, but clearly something had happened, and it was unbelievably frightening to such a point that, you know, this just good fellow. just a good guy will no longer has anything to do with not he no longer has anything to do not just with bigfoot research but he doesn't really like to go outdoors that much anymore from what I know so yeah we actually heard that a few times from people yeah I mean now let me say this um I am nowhere near at the level of you guys I really admire what you guys have have put together um but I clearly have a

passion for this but I got to be honest with you guys, I was up in the North Georgia Mountains just a month ago, and I didn't have an encounter, but I just was, every time I saw some strange, you know, tree break formations, or I heard what sounded like wood knocking, I was getting frightened myself, and I'm not sure if I'm, you know, people who have a passion for this kind of stuff, they say, God, I really want to have an encounter, but I've got to be honest. I don't think I want one. I really don't know as much.

I've been reading books about this creature since I was a kid, and I've gone to the extent to where now I'm getting out in the field, and I hope to follow in your footpath because you guys have done so well for yourselves. But I've got to be honest. I'm not quite sure if I really am going to achieve that, because I don't think I want to encounter one of these things. I really don't. They're hostile.

They're short-tempered. And they will not hesitate the kill. Wes and I, neither one wanted the encounters that we had. And I'm sure Wes will agree that had I had the option, I would have chose not to have had the encounters. So that's what I've got. And like I said, I don't want to just throw it all away and give up. But at the same time, I just, I just,

just feel like, I guess from here on out, I guess the underlying message of what happened is don't do what we did. First of all, don't go unless you're going in a group. And please have a sidearm with you because we didn't. And not that we needed it, but, you know, God forbid, if you've got to defend your Well, just in case. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you've got to be smart about this. Yeah, I mean, big time. And, uh, Like I said, I'm the first one to stand up, put my hand up, and say, hey, look, don't do what we did. Because it's a miracle nobody got hurt, you know, so. And I just say, and hey, Dan, it's Shannon.

Hello. I just want, hi. I just want to say that in talking to you, you know, my investigative side kind of took over and, you know, we had email conversations back and forth. And, you know, I just want to say as a listener is that something really happened to these guys because Dan really stuck up for his friend. And when I was like, hey, you know, do you have the photos? And I wasn't really, really persistent. But I was pushing a little bit. And he's like, no, I promised him that I wouldn't release the photos.

And I wouldn't. And I never pressured him for a name. But he really stuck to his guns. And I think that, you know, the. the terror that night really has come across. So I appreciate you calling in, Dan. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that.

And it's very important to protect people but want to be anonymous in this. Yeah. I can pretty much guarantee, even though I haven't spoken to him in a long time, he probably would, you know, I know he wouldn't mind me sharing the story, but he probably would not want anything to do with it.

And that's why I protected his name as well. Yeah, that's all you're thinking. Dan, the night... I'm sorry, what was that? The day after all of this happened, you guys packed up and left and left, correct? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, after I salvaged my campsite, which was just absolutely trashed.

I don't have any proof or evidence to say who or what did it, but I think you could probably put two and two together on that one. Yeah, generally what we find is, you know, if you guys probably would have stayed another night or a couple more or not, nights, you probably would have seen their creatures. They probably would have ramped up past destroying your camp, shaking the tent. This was kind of an aggressive move to get you guys to move along. And the fact that you guys left is probably the best thing.

I think if you guys would have stayed, things would have ramped up in the situation. They were working up their courage. Yeah. I mean, clearly we left, but thinking about staying just, I mean, just frightens me to know And you know what? And I have to say, it frightens me to no end to think about staying at all because just a moment ago, I had mentioned how I was camping in the North Georgia Mountains just a month ago. And every little thing that I heard, which of course is not going to be sauce squash,

but every little thing I heard just got me just paranoid. And that part is a little, that part's a little frustrating because I don't want to be the paranoid type. But I mean, even if you put that aside, in my amateur evaluation, these creatures are, they are hostile, short-tempered, and they are not to be messed with it in any way, shape, or fashion. And if you're going to do those kind of outings, clearly you guys will probably do a lot better than what we did, because what we did was stupid. And like I said, it's a wonder no one got hurt. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's fascinating. the right thing.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, it was a fascinating encounter. We sure appreciate you calling in, Dan, and sharing it with us. We definitely appreciate, gosh, what a night. I can't even imagine going through. Well, I can't imagine going through. Hey, Wes, can I ask you one question?

No. I'm just joking. Of course you can. I just want to talk about Honobi. I have a question about Honobia. I think I sent you this message on Facebook, but I can't remember if I did or not. I suppose I could look it up. I know the story about the siege at Honobia.

I know about that where it kind of comes to a peak where they have the guns out. They're taking shots. Apparently one of the creatures is hit. Someone there had witnessed a blood trail, but the creature never really went down. My question, Wes, is do you – I heard – did you hear what? happened two hours later after that had all had up had that actually actually mike like did kill the creature and another one came and took it up and took it away yeah okay yeah that's what i was getting to because i didn't know this until just recently but apparently a truck

uh i guess a logging truck driver was driving down um this logging trail now this was two hours after it had all happened, he saw what he claims were multiple creatures carrying the dead creature. Right. And I believe that isn't that what Mike said, that it kind of took it a while to die, it was making some pretty nasty noises, blood gurgling, such. And then there were a number of the creatures, and one of them picked it up and they walked off with it. Right. And that's the part I was asking about.

Did you know that that was witnessed by a logging truck driver? I didn't know that. No, I hadn't heard that. Okay. No, I hadn't heard that either. No, they shot it. They watched it die. They heard it die.

And they actually went out to get the creature. They were going to drag it back to the house. And they were kind of bum rushed by a bunch of them. And so that's when they went back to the house with their rifles and just waited for the worst to happen. But nothing actually happened that night. The creatures, they watched the rest of the creatures drag the one off that they had actually shot. But I'd never heard that story about the logging, you know, the truck driver that'd seen them. Yeah, I didn't either.

And that's why I was asking. So, okay. Guys, listen, I appreciate the time. Listen, you guys are awesome. I don't care what the website costs. I'm on it. And I'll keep in touch with you. We appreciate it.

Yeah, thank you, Dan. Okay. Fascinating account. Definitely fascinating. Very much so. Yeah. Funny, I just lost the chat room. Oh, yeah. It's going to be a riot.

Yeah, it's going to be one of those nights. Just got to, like everything else in life. You got to work for it, guys. Like everything else in life, you've got to roll with the punches. That's right. Now, let me close this out here. No, fascinating account. You know, it makes you, I think a lot of that was.

intimidation. It was time to leave for them to leave, and that was their way of making them leave. You know, I'm sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say, I know what he was going through, being out there camped, you know, because we went through that when we were about, I don't know, 17 or 18, you know, out near the Musqually River, but that group wasn't real aggressive, even though it pulled one of my buddies part way out of the tent. You know, we don't think, you know, it let go of him when it realized it with something alive. We think they were just, you know, and the same thing.

You know, he mentioned the bacon. Well, we had, you know, pork and beans of hot dogs. And I think any foods that smell or have a strong order to them, you know, might attract something like that. But, you know, it could have been the campfire as much as anything. Yeah. But I wouldn't have done like they did and, you know, separated myself into an individual camp and my buddy over there.

and just for a lot of reasons. I mean, there's a lot of wackos out these days. I mean, safety in numbers always. But that's a very scary environment to be in, especially if one of these things are more of them are around there. And in their situation, it sounded like that, like you said, was that escalation. They came in to check them out.

They knew there was food. And had they stayed there, those events would have ramped up and probably become a lot more aggressive. Well, you know, it's all the choice. Like, they're always in control. Like, we always talk about, like, he brought up this siege of Juanavi and how, you know, well, you brought up the fact that he did, in fact, shoot one, but the others came in and took it away.

Well, they might have only seen that one that they shot, but there's always one surrounding them. So they seem to always be, for the most part, in control. And, you know, if you have two campers, they're basically just sitting ducks if the Sasquatch choose them to be sitting ducks. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, it makes me think of, like, people, when people are going to fight, you'll always see, and I go back to, because I spent so many years as a bouncer, and I've seen it time and time again, guys will push each other's buttons to see if, are you going to bite? Are you going to bark? What are you going to do?

And it's kind of, and I hate to liken it to Sasquatch, but I think that a lot of times with Sasquatch is kind of shaking the tent for 15 seconds, destroying the other camp. Are you going to come out shooting? What are you going to do? You know, like the encounter, Woody and I had, it was a Mexican standoff. Who is going to react first to who? And then whatever happens happens.

We should probably bring Mark Dobbs on again to talk about that because there was the incident in Texas we talked about with the kid, the 15-year-old on the bike, and how the creature is moving its lips up and down, showing its teeth at him. And Mark said that's, and anthropologists talk about that. Primates do that. They call it the lip flip. And other behaviors are that also there, rather than fighting, they'll do these displays, you know, at each other or whatever the opponent is, to try to intimidate. You know, like you said, kind of to see what they're going to do. And if you don't do anything, that's sort of like backing down in a way.

So when they didn't do anything, and many of the witnesses we've talked to that were in a situation where there was some kind of a challenge and they didn't do anything, and you're also in that situation. That's why actually I am too. that in essence is backing down from the challenge. So in these cases the Sasquatch is sort of the winner of that challenge, and that's why it doesn't escalate. Right.

And, you know, here and Will, you say that, and Wes has said this too, you know, with you guys' experiences, you'll raise your hand and go, I'd probably rather not have been in that situation. I feel pretty arrogant being the one on the show going, And oh, yeah, I want to see one. It would be really amazing. And I would be humbled. And like, yeah, you'll be humbled, but you'll be like crapping your bridges because it'll change your life, you know.

I jokingly say underword changing moment, but I'll tell you what, in that moment, in that moment, you definitely, you know, losing bowel control is not out of the question. Absolutely. Absolutely. I just, yeah. I feel arrogant saying that sometimes. I feel bad because we'll get, look at all these. stories, including you two, and it's changed your life.

You know what the feeling is like? And for anybody out there that's actually, you know, rid down a helicopter and had it drop, or even like, let's say a ride at the fair, you know, where all of a sudden you drop really quick and your stomach kind of feels like it's down in your feet. When you're standing near one of these things, that's what happens to you. It's just like, for me, I went cold, my stomach, all of those. suddenly dropped. It felt like it was in my shoes. That's the best I can explain that feeling.

Yeah. Except in a fair, you're in a controlled environment. Out there, you're not really a controlled environment. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Well, tell you what, if you have a question or you want to share an encounter, the number is 646-716-8791. And I promise the audience I will get to the encounter that we had.

recorded earlier in the week where a lady's car was charged by one of these creatures. But for now, let's go to Norm. Norm, thanks for coming on the show. Thanks, and thanks for having me. Yeah. They headed down to another car. I can't remember if it was a full moon, but I do remember there was a little. Remember, just it wasn't like a...

Well, that's very close. Yeah. You're pretty familiar with those animal noises, then, you know, you can roll those things out. Besides, there's no bears in that area. It's funny because I had read about Albert Olstrom, but if it was a brief encounter, but your show is great. Right. And the one thing about the show is become a real good place for all of us to connect. You guys and listen to you.

You're too close to me. Yeah, very possible. Very possible. That's a great show. Keep it up. I look forward to December 1st coming along. I'm definitely going to. You appreciate it.

Yeah, yeah, thank you, Norm. We really do appreciate your calling in and sharing your encounter. You know what's funny about Norm's encounter is he's within 10 yards of something growling and vocalizing at him. And if it's a mountain lion or if it's a bear and you're that close and they're vocalizing at you, you're in trouble. It's not a warning to back off. It's usually a warning, I'm coming at you, and you're going to pay the price now for getting that close. Especially mountain line. Right. They're going to run if they're that close normally.

And you're right, if they're going to vocalize and they're probably going to attack. Right. Scary. Scary encounter. Pretty much. Well, let's jump to, I'll tell you what, let's jump to Brian. Brian, welcome to the show. Thanks. Thanks for having me.

Thanks for calling in. Did you want to share your encounter? Sure. It's not really your typical encounter like I've heard a lot of other people's stories. This happened about a little over 20 years ago in North Texas, a small town called Bowie, and it was actually inside the city limits. I had been at a Christmas party earlier that night. after that party had ended. A few of my other friends, we were going to get together and continue the festivities. And so when I arrived at one of their houses, got out of the truck,

I'd seen one of my friends' cars was already parked there. So I got out and my girlfriend was with me. And we heard this noise coming from behind us. And it sounded like it was across the street at another house. And I hate making the sound because it sounds funny. But I called it kind of a very poor imitation of a duck. No, I want to hear it. Me too.

All right. It was kind of like this. I thought it was my friends over there. I thought they were hiding over in the bushes of this house, and I figured they were just trying to play a joke on me. So I started walking that direction. And I looked over, and I noticed my girlfriend, she had stopped walking. She had just kind of frozen in her tracks.

I didn't really think a whole lot of it. Well, she just doesn't walk over there, so I kept going. and about that time, another guy that had been at the other party, he pulls up to the stop sign beside this house. And he's sitting there, and another car is coming, and it was another guy from the party. But he was making a right turn, and he was going to be turning right beside this guy sitting at the stop sign.

and he slammed on his brakes and stopped kind of mid-turned. And their trucks were fairly close to each other, and I thought, well, they're talking to each other. And I was already getting pretty close to them, so I'll just go see what they're doing. And about that time, they both took off. The guy sitting at the stop sign, he took off in reverse. and the other guy

he continued in his turn and I thought they were racing because they took off really fast the guy that was going in reverse he stopped and there was an alley that goes behind

this house that I was walking towards and he took off down that alley and the other guy kept going until he got to the next cross street and then he turned down that street well I was pretty puzzled about what I'd just seen, so I'll go see what they're doing. Went, got back in my truck, and my girlfriend, she was still quiet. She hadn't said a word yet.

And we get back down to the other house where the other Christmas party was at. And the guy that had taken off in reverse and gone down the alley, he was already back at this house. And I got there about the same time as the other guy and the other truck did. And when he got out, they both just, did you see that? What the hell was that? I never saw what they were talking about. But anyway, this is what they said happened. As they both got to that intersection, he said this.

something huge had walked in between their trucks and it was walking towards me and i was walking towards it um they said that they thought it had a white sheet over it because it i mean it was like it had a sheet over it said but it didn't go down all the way they said they see these hairy legs and pig feet hanging out the bottom. And anyway, when they both took off, they were chasing it because it had basically just, it got in between them, and then it turned and ran. And when the guy went down the alley after it, he said he lost it. It just completely outpaced the truck.

He said he got up to 40 miles an hour going down that alley. Good Lord. So anyway, you know, it was kind of an interesting event, and I wasn't really sure what to think about it. The main thing, I didn't understand why everybody there saw this thing, and I didn't. you had the same area when they were yeah I mean I was

of course you know the only thing separating me from my girlfriend was the pickup bed so there was probably five feet in between us and of course you saw it and stopped walking the other two guys

of course they were they were a lot closer to it but they were in their trucks right and I was just in the street walking to it. Anyway, I guess last week I was listening to one of your archives shows, and it may have been one of the ones with Kunoz on it,

and he was talking about infrasound, and he made a sound that it just really triggered the memory of this event to me, the sound he made. And it reminded me of the sound I'd heard that night. So I didn't know if these things can possibly use infrasound, if that would affect my vision somehow. I mean, if I was being lured towards it, I don't know. Yeah, infrasound has a lot of different effects on people a lot,

a lot of weird effects. A lot of stuff, I think that when you start reading about infrasound, it almost sounds like magic the way it affects the human body. So, I mean, it could possibly be. What do you think, Will? Yeah, there's just so many things they don't know yet. It's all relatively new. And it's not out of the question that the Sasquatch can't use it.

So, sure, I mean, at this point, you know, we have to keep our minds open about all the possibilities. Yeah, and that's another thing. You know, I never associated this with, you know, being a Sasquatch encounter. You know, especially then at the time, it was around 1993, probably the most I'd ever seen or heard about Sasquatch was the Patterson film. and I didn't even have cable back then, so it was just the occasional special when it would be on, like, maybe a news clip or Unsolved Mysteries or something like that. So I really didn't have a whole lot of knowledge to go on. Well, we appreciate it.

We appreciate it, Brian. We appreciate you coming on and sharing your encounter with us. it's something that kind of changes your life, doesn't it? Well, I guess, I mean, I don't know, I was barely 21 at the time, and I think if I had seen it, it might have had more of an effect on me. But just kind of going through the years with just kind of having to live with what I was told from everyone else, I don't know. It's just kind of, well, that was neat.

I'm glad I didn't get eaten. Right, right. But we appreciate it, man. Thank you so much for calling in and sharing that with us. Well, hey, I appreciate you guys having this show and this forum for people to be able to call in and talk about these things. We appreciate all of you. Thanks so much, Brian. We appreciate it, ma'am.

Did you guys see that photo? I was just laughing about it. I know the three of us talked about it. There's a photo going around on Facebook, and I laugh every time I laugh every time I see it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They just looked like they got done smoking the stickiest of the icky, and they're laying their heads back, and the tightness. The title of it says that we lit a fire, we contacted the Sasquatch people, and we asked them to make an appearance.

And when you look at the photo, it's these two stoners with their heads back, and they look like they're in comet. And they didn't really light a fire, though. It's typical stoner behavior. They lit a candle and said, oh, we lit a fire. I was looking at that. And it actually looks like a light bulb instead of a lit candle. It almost does. You're right, Will.

So for the audience out there, I'll paint the picture. There's two people sitting in the woods. Their heads are cocked back on trees. Their eyes are shut. There's a candle sitting on a rock. There's arrows pointing down. And then it looks like someone photoshopped in this smoke of the saskwatches. And the saskwatches looked all educated and

everything. They're sitting there. Like he almost looks like they have pipes in their mouth and they're all sitting around. There's smoke squashes. It was the hilarious thing I've ever seen. It was the most hilarious thing I've ever seen. Fantastic. Yeah. And they had to have the big arrows so that you would be sure to see them. Huge.

Here they are. There's the squatches cloaking. Mid-cloth. Sure they are. Pretty hilarious. put that up on the fan page. Well, let's jump to

I'll tell you what, we'll take one more call and then I'll play the interview we did earlier in the week. I'll tell you what, let's go to, or I might take two more calls. Let's jump to Jack. Jack, welcome to the show. Thank you.

I'd really enjoy your show. Appreciate that. I appreciate that very much. Yeah. Last month, I was up hunting up in Pike County in Utah. It's kind of center of the state. My buddy Chuck and I were there, and we usually have a reunion up there. We were driving up, and we got kind of way up where you could see the canyon. and then it opened up to some base of some mountains, and the road switched back.

And I've been kind of trying a whoop. And so I whipped about three times, didn't hear anything, whooped one more time, and got a really loud, distinct whistle, and that was all. and I've never heard that before. So it was really interesting to me.

I know there's no people in that area. It's really a hard place to get to. In another part of the mountain and tried another whop. And I've got a bionic ear. It's kind of like a satellite dish with a microphone in the middle of it. And I heard some tree knocks. So I hurried up and connected a little digital recorder. And there were a few more whoops.

I could hear a dog barking way off in the distance. But no more tree knocks. When I got home, here a couple weeks ago, I played it. and right at the beginning they're really they're way in the distance you could hear two whooks so I thought wow

these two things happened probably 10 miles and so Santos took him and cut out the dog barks and just kept the whoops and then he sent me back to other recordings that he had received and all three sound almost identical.

So I'm wondering what you guys, you know, think of the whistle and that kind of thing. And then I have one more in color to share. Well, the whistle was something the Sasquatches have done for a long, long time. In fact, the Indians talk about that much more than any other type of vocalization. So that's pretty normal. is that kind of like a locator I'm over here kind of thing you think it's possible it's really hard telling at this point I'm wondering when you hear these other two whoops you hear a dog it's probably it sounds like it's close to where the whoops came from I'm wondering if they maybe make a dog bark noise Yeah, they imitate a lot of things

And one thing to remember too You know, people like to generalize when it comes to these things But like with with chimps and gorillas Other primates Is they might make very similar sounds Throughout the species But their group specific is towards the meanings So what one group does

Might be something entirely different To another group Hmm Okay Yeah, those Those wolves were a ways away from where we heard the tree knocks. The tree knocks were closer to us. And I've heard tree knocks before.

So it was a lot of fun to be able to hear those responses. And I don't know if it's the whoop I'm doing or if it's just, you know, a coincidence. We had another encounter. The place that we camp is out in the woods, and it's right by a creek. And we had one of the nephews brought his girlfriend and their three-year-old boy, and he was always running around camp,

making all kinds of noise and yells and screams. And one of the nights, they had actually taken off and gone to Las Vegas for a couple days but the night they left we were sitting around a campfire and just before it got dark three of us heard

it sounded like a kid crying off in the woods and we kept listening to it and it sounded again just like a little kid crying crying. And later when it got dark, we kept hearing noises near us in the camp area. And my two brothers, no, that's a bear.

You know, it's not a big foot. And I thought, well, I've never heard a bear make a crying noise. So they finally got really concerned. and jumped in, one of the brothers jumped in his truck and drove around and didn't see anything. But it stopped. So I'm wondering again if it's just, if they're mimicking or what the reason for, you know, Bigfoot coming in because the next morning Chuck and I walked around and we found a footprint. Yeah, that kid crying that you mentioned, Jack, I've heard that a couple of times.

I've heard that a couple times and it's always disturbing when you hear it because it's not it doesn't sound quite like a kid crying but that's the only thing I can liken it to why they do that I don't know I know a previous caller I talked about the siege of Fonavi

and one of the things that they used to do out there is they used to mimic him calling for his dogs especially when other people were at the house They would be on the woods mimicking him, calling for his dogs. And I don't know if it was to draw them out into the woods for a trap. I don't know why they would do that. I've heard that strange kid crying mimicking that you talk about, though. You know, and I'm wondering that little kid was always taken off,

and he'd take off out in the woods. And, you know, we were really trying to keep an eye on him because I was afraid if he ran out there, you know, I didn't know what would happen to him. You know, there's an encounter that David Pilates talks about in one of his books to where the girl had no recollection. Excuse me. That's where I'm still fighting this cold, so I apologize to everyone for coughing. David Pilates had mentioned this encounter that this little girl had heard. It sounded like a child girl.

crying. And that's the last thing she remembers. They found her like 30 miles away and over two mountain ranges, but she had no recollection of how she had gotten there or anything. But she had heard this. The only description she had given was I had heard what sounded like another child crying. And so I went to it, and that's the last thing she remembers within that encounter. So if it's a trap or if it's something that they're doing, I don't know. I really don't know. Yeah, that's interesting. This last July, I was up in Washington, Chuck and I went up there, and we were up around Putsport and Skokomish.

I think it's Skokomish tribal area. There's a road up there called Hamahamah Road in the Olympic Peninsula. Do you know where that is? I know the area. Okay. We drove up that road, and about a mile or two up in the road, there was about a 30-foot tree, green leaves, green tree knocked down across the road. And so we jumped out and started looking around,

and it was about eight inches at the base around. And we started looking around and found some footprints in that area. And the grass was all knocked down around the tree trunk. And so when we got done there, we headed up the road about another, about a half a mile at the most. To a corner, and there was a woman standing there. Her car was parked there. she was just standing looking up the mountain and so Chuck asked her

have you seen any big foot in this area and she just laughed at us and so we turned around came back and looked at the tree some more and I did my whoops and after oh probably five or eight minutes I heard a tree knock, three tree knocks down by where the woman was.

And then we had a single tree knock right by, oh, it was close to us, it was in the trees, I don't know, 50 feet away, 50 yards made. And so the next thing we knew is that woman and her husband came flying down the road, and stopped where we were and wanted to know what that noise was. And I said, did you hear three tree knocks? And she said, yes. I said, did you hear a tree knock down here? Yes.

We don't know what that is, but we're leaving it. And they took off. We never saw them, but it's kind of interesting. They knew right where we were. They knew where that woman was. But why the tree knocks, I guess they're talking to each other, huh? Warning each other that, you know, there's stop or I don't know. Yeah, it's hard to say.

I think a lot of times with the tree knocks that it's a hunting behavior that they do. I think the general consensus that we've come up with is it has to do with hunting. But, Jack, I can't think enough for coming on. I know we're running short on time. I wanted to play this interview that we did earlier in the week and get everyone's feedback. Again, if you want to call in, we're running short on time, but if you want to call in, the number is 646-716-8-7-9-1. And here's an interview we did earlier in a week with a lady that says a Sasquatch charged her car. So take a listen.

Tell me what you think. we didn't really get much of a briefing on your encounter so I'm going to I'm going to let you just tell us what happened I guess a little background maybe at first would be good just maybe what region of the country you're in how long ago this incident happened okay no problem I'm in Ohio and this happened in the fall of 2008 and my 14 year old daughter was with me

and just jump in when you have questions because I tend to chatter. But what happened was we were coming. We were just up for a ride. And we were riding on this one road. And the road at the one end is sort of like the houses are like sparse, and it's more like kind of country sort of. And people out there have like maybe a horse, a goat, a cow, a pig, you know, nothing major.

And so we're driving down. the road and my daughter now and this is why it's important she's on the right hand side we're driving up i'm on i'm on the left hand side she's on the right hand side the passenger side of course so she says hey mom what's that up there and i said and i looked up and the way the land is there's a knoll and about a hundred years off all i see is like a head okay like a figure of a head and there's this like hair waving in the wind i'm thinking oh i'm I was like, oh, hell no, this is a horse. And, you know, somebody's horse got away, and, you know, I'm going to have to slow down.

And I started to slow down, and it was kind of made a pretty good clip, and I thought, I better put my car in park because the last thing I need to do is hit somebody's pet or livestock and then we're going to have, because I'm expecting somebody to run after it. And I figured, oh, we're going to get into a confrontation. I don't want that, you know. So I put my car in park And so I look And I'm looking and I'm going

Hmm It's getting closer I'm like wow that's not moving like a horse And I thought hmm Okay So then it started getting closer And I was like Hmm

Maybe that's an afghan dog You know with long hair And I thought Hmm Maybe that's what it is now Because it's on all fours I thought Hmm

So it gets about About 40 feet away and I'm going, wait a minute. That is not a damn dog. And then my daughter's like, Mom, what is that? I'm like, I'm not real sure. And so it comes up

and it's probably about 30 feet from us and it's right by a house. It's coming over the north in the house and there's a garage and it starts to go in front of the garage and then it just stops and looks right at us and I'm like, uh-oh.

And all of a sudden it comes charging down the hill. And I'm going, oh, my heart was in, I can't even tell you how scared I was. Now, I didn't come at the door. It was coming like going to come in front of the car, but it was coming fast down the hill. And my daughter's freaking, Mom, Mom, what is it? What is it? Oh, my God, what's going on? And she is flipping.

And I'm trying to get her to calm down because I'm already, like, wanting to flip out because I'm not sure what it is yet. and so it keeps coming and she is just I mean she is all over the car I'm trying to calm her down and it comes and it comes right in front of her car and when I mean in front of my car I mean it was so freaking close I mean it was so close it was so close that like I could see like you know how like you have like a dog that have like maybe coarse curly hair and you shave it down for the summer and it has like kind of waves to it

that's what the fur looked like okay that's how close we were and then the hair hung down off of the arms and the legs okay and um it was so close that um you could see like on the paw like its palms like its hands

like it was running you know on his on all fours but like when it had its hands like um like running on its knuckles link or whatever, you know, you could see like half the palm. And you could see, I could actually see the creases in the palms of the hands, okay?

Little ears, kind of a smaller head built like a basketball player. I couldn't even look at his face because I was like, wait a minute, there's no hooves, there's no pause, that seat, and that's hands. and I just was like trying to process it and I'm trying to calm my daughter down because what I'm worried about is is somebody accidentally hitting the horn or accidentally kicking in gear

you know and when it went in front of me it was like and this is going to sound crazy but it was like the world stood still and it was like the matrix you know like real slow and it didn't acknowledge us I mean it acted like

hey yeah whatever and walked right in front of us like we weren't even there and I was like, whoa, and my daughter, she's still flipping. And so I'm trying to calm her down, and it went ahead, and it went, like, I looked out on my peripheral vision, and I could see that it kept on going down the hill, and there's woods on the other side. But I'll be damned if I was moving my head, because I woke up to see if mom and dad was down there, because that's the last thing I wanted to see, and that's the last thing I wanted my daughter to see, because she was already, like, you know, fit to be tied.

So, scared of living a big Jesus out of me. Did you get the impression that was a younger creature? Yeah, I really did. I thought it was a juvenile because it wasn't bulked up, like. I don't know if that was, like, its stature naturally, or, but I thought maybe it was a juvenile. How big would you compare it to another, or how would you compare it to another animal in size? Oh, bigger than a bear. like we have,

we have very rare around here, but once in a blue moon we'll have a black bear, bigger than a black bear, definitely bigger than a black bear. Um, I would say if it was a, like if it was the height of a deer,

it was probably about three or foot, three or four foot just on all fours. Did it ever stand up on two legs? No. No. Not at all. Not at all. It kind of sounds like it did a mock chart.

charge at your car because it bolted straight for the car and then once you were stopped and it came up to it then it sort of acted like you were no big deal and walked away right right it just kept on going it just kept on running but the thing that frighten me like any other parent is holy hell this you know this thing might jump on my car you know it might do the doors off of my daughter's side of the car you know i mean and this all this stuff is going through my head and it just it just I was like, holy hell. I mean, it stops all of a sudden the top of the hill, and, you know, it just charges that.

And I'm like going, oh, no, no, no. You know? And I swear when I went in front of us, I stopped breathing. I swear to God I did. I was afraid to breathe. I mean, I was that afraid. You know what I mean? Yeah.

I was that scared. I'm wondering, Lori, did you see you didn't get a good look at the face? Not really. it was all black, I can tell you that. And like the inside of the hands look like gray leather. Like that was the color.

And, you know, but the body type, I mean, you could see the muscle definition in like the legs and the arms were like longer, like and it just like when it ran as like when I saw it wasn't a horse, it was like, yeah, that's not a horse because just the way it ran

and the way that it was like, proportioned. I was like, no, that's definitely not a horse. And then when I thought whether than Afghan dog, because then it wasn't when I'm like a dog, and I was like, what the hell is that? You know what I mean? Do you think it ran, do you think it ran more like a, say, a gorilla or a chimp wood? Yeah, sort of, yeah. Yeah, more like that. Yeah, more like that. It was just really, because I was just, because I figured, you know, if I just sit here and act like, I'm a wallflower, I'm invisible. Maybe it won't bother us.

You know what I mean? But it was just terrifying how close it was. I can't even explain to you how close it was. It was just terrifyingly close. And, Lori, do you have your vehicles come by? No, nobody. And you know, that's the thing. Nobody was outside.

There were no other cars on the road. Of course. You know, but, you know, I mean, it was just terrifying. You know, and my daughter and I have never spoken about it. I'd say what you did was exactly the right thing Well, I'm glad because, you know Like I said, when it Because when it stopped, I thought, oh, okay, it's going to go along the

Whatever it is, it's going to go along the, you know, the houses And it's going to go whatever and do whatever But then when it stopped and it just came, you know, flying down over the hill And I mean, it was, I mean, it was coming I mean, it was like there, and I was at a full stop and, you know, it was common. There wasn't nothing stopping it. I mean, it was common.

And, Laura, you had mentioned to me that your daughter seems to have completely forgotten the entire incident. Yep. She doesn't, I kind of hinted around to it, and she doesn't remember it at all. Not at all. I think she just blocked it out. What was it that she had said to you, she had, you know, kind of said a comment to you about something that was on television, that you had brought up. Yeah, she said, I was watching some show on cryptids, and she's like, and I think it was on

Bigfoot, she goes, oh, mom, you believe anything. You know, sitting there thinking, girlie, if you only knew what I knew, you know, and if I told you the truth, you'd probably fall out, passed out, you know? Yeah, she just didn't forget that. Yeah, she's... I mean, it was, I mean, to say that she was freaked out, wasn't even, like, even touch what it was in the car. You know, and I was afraid all her screaming and bouncing around in the car. And what I was afraid to was that she would be so frightened that she would jump out the car and start running.

You know, and then I'd really have a problem, you know. So, you know, just short of tackling her, you know, you know, and trying to calm her down because I just can't even just explain to you guys how close this. I can't even I can't even explain in words how close it was. I mean, that's how close this thing was. I mean, if

it wanted to, it would have reached up and ripped off my windshield wapers. It could have put a hole in my windshield. I mean, that's how close this thing was. It was just a matter of inches you're saying in front of your car. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean,

It was really, really close. I could have probably got out of my car and walked to it in probably five steps. What kind of a car do you have? I have a Dodge Caravan. I did have at the time. Okay. So, and you say it was about three feet high on all fours? I'd say three or four feet on all fours.

Okay. So, yeah, it was up pretty good where you could see it then. Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, and I could look down on it. And like I said, I mean, it just blew me. And like the hair that was hanging off the legs and the arms, because that's the only place it was hanging off. Well, in the back, like, in the back of the head.

Like, it was like a main link. Right. And the hair looked like, it was like real light-like. Like, when I say light, not in color, but light as in, like, flowy light. Like, fine. Like, fine. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

There you go. That's the word I'm looking for. Yeah. Exactly. And Lori, how far away is this place from where you live now? About a half an hour. Have you been back to the area? No.

That road. I am taking no more chances. Pardon me? Did you talk to anybody else after the encounter about it? No. No, I didn't tell anybody. In fact, I didn't tell my sister until a month ago. And she was like, what?

Why didn't you tell me? I'm like, I said, well, who the hell is going to believe me? I said, it's in a residential, semi-residential area. It's in freaking broad daylight. I go, and see, I'm not in the big sub community, so I had no idea that Ohio was like, you know, up on the top 10 list or five or whatever, you know, for Bigfoot and stuff. So I had no idea. I mean, how the hell would I know?

You know what I mean? So, you know, I didn't have a clue. So I just kept it to myself. and, you know. And Lori, the entire animal looked very, very lanky to you? Or did the legs look bigger or did the arms look, you know, the shoulders? The legs were bigger than the arms. The arms were kind of like, like kind of lanky, like?

And the legs were a lot more muscular. They looked muscular to me anyways. And you could just see, like, when it was running, you could just see, like, the muscles, like, rippling. in the legs. And I was just like, I was so dumbfounded what I was looking at. I just couldn't take my eyes off the hands of the feet. I was like, what the hell? And was it head bombing at all when it was running?

No, that was, that's what tips me off about, you know, when it was one, like it was a horse. Because when I started getting closer, I was like, wait a minute, that's, you know, horse's heads bob when they, you know, they run. And I'm like, that's not going on here. You know, and then when it came over the crest of like over the gnaw, I was like, yeah, that's definitely not a horse. Yeah, it's an interesting account for sure. Definitely sounds like it changed your life and your daughter's life. Oh, it changed.

I mean, I always believed in Bigfoot, but I had never seen one. And the last thing I expected that day was to go out and see a Bigfoot, you know? That was like the last thing on my mind. You know, I know Will wanted to, he's got the Walking Dead here in about six minutes coming on. Oh, giddell. That's okay. I'll run it again later. I was going to wrap up the show, and I was going through all the calls.

I try and do some call screening that way, you know, as we bring people on. And this lady had called in Lynn, who had a great encounter. And so if you miss it, check the archives, because I know we got about five minutes left, and we're going to go over into pass a two-hour mark into recording. But you'll definitely want to hear this lady's encounter. But I wanted to welcome Lynn to the show. And then after Lynn's encounter, we'll wrap up the show guys. But Lynn, can you tell us briefly what you were doing prior to your encounter

and then kind of go into your encounter? It was a weekend. And it was at night. and, you know, as kids were home alone, bored, and two boys came up to visit from town and wanted to go riding horses that night. So we all jumped in his Jeep and went down our road because we live up on top of the hill

and the field was down below a bit. And I'm really nervous, sorry. And so I crawled through the bobwire to walk out, you know, called the horses, and usually we'd just whistle and they'd come running. Well, I was whistling and walked out farther and farther, and they weren't coming. You couldn't hear anything. And everybody was making noise, and I kept on yelling at them, be quiet, be quiet. You know, I just had that feeling being watched.

And there's mountain lions up here and there. And they got quiet, and it was still. There was no crickets, no frogs, and we had a little pond from a spring, and there was just no noise, so I got nervous. So I started walking back, but they all jumped in the Jeep and took off and went back up to the house. So by the time I got to the end of our driveway, the two boys came down in their Jeep, and I asked them, can you please, you know, take me back to the house? And, you know, boys will be boys, and they took off.

Our driveway is pretty steep, and it's probably an eighth of a mile, or a 16th of a mile long, maybe. And I'm walking and off to the side, I can hear something in the trees and the bushes taking a step every time I did. But you can tell it was heavy because I could feel it, not only hear it. So I got scared and I started running and it ran off the head. Well, when you come up to the top of our driveway, it curves. And on that curve, we have a barn, and my dad had put a light up on the corner of that barn. And next to the barn we had this trailer, we'd throw our trash in because back then there was no trash service. We'd have to haul it to the dump.

So it smelled. Then I noticed there was something standing against the barn. It was really big shadow. And it was way taller than the light. Well, my dad's 6 foot 6. And back then he was the tallest guy in the county. And that just put instant fear in. started running and it ran right after me. I turned to my left and I looked and it was right there.

It was breathing on top of my head. It was so close. I mean, it could have just wrapped his arms around me and taken off with me. And I'm running and my dad had a broke down truck right next to the porch so I sort of squeezed in between there and I was calling for the dogs and they were underneath the porch. I had a pit bull, and she finally came out and went on the other side of the truck, sort of in front of it, and that gave me, you know, a little bit of leeway to get on the porch. As I got on the porch, I turned around and looked, and this thing swooped down, like you pick up a puppy by the scruff of its neck, picked her up and threw her.

We had a doughboy pool, and it went, she flew way over that. and it made this horrible noise and took off. Well, kids being kids, my brother and sister locked me out, so I'm banging on the door, and by the time they came and opened it, is when my dog was crawling up on the porch. Her skin was torn off her from the back of her shoulder all the way down to the front of her chest. I mean, it was the most horrifying thing. I'm still having problems dealing with it, and this was back in 81.

Jesus. So what happened next? We called for my uncle, and he came up in his Jeep in a shotgun. Took me in my dog down to his place in town. And, you know, they said him and my brother looked. They couldn't find anything. My grandmother took my dog to the vet, and there was hairs in her mouth that didn't belong to her. and so she had the vet send it to she wanted it to go to USC Davis because she thought you know

that's the best place to send it but nothing ever happened of it you know she went back later nobody knows anything about hairs but you know at one point went looking and on the side of the barn there's a tree about 11 12 feet off the ground there's a branch and it was sort of like you could tell it was like twisted and then broke and then it was found on the other side of the property. Good Lord. That's a very scary account. Yeah, I have post-traumatic stress disorder and I talked about it a month ago and I'm back in counseling trying to, you know, because I live out in the country.

It's a really tough thing to deal with and West and I can both tell you from being close to these things. It's something you don't ever forget. I mean, you kind of deal with it after a while, but you never get past it. It's a life, you know, I was teased and heckled to where, you know, I just left. I went to go live with my mom. And then all these years later, I find out there's four other people in town that had experiences. And I'm thinking, my goodness, if I would have known, you know,

because even up until last year, pranks were being pulled on me. you know, screaming big foot at night, you know, trying to scare me or jump out and, you know. People are silly to do things like that. You know, they didn't experience anything, so what they're going to act stupid and do, I mean, I heard that so many times over the years. In fact, the first time I was 14 when we found tracks, the first time, didn't know what they were until a friend's dad explained to us the best he could. And everybody made fun of us for that.

Well, all we did was find something until an adult. I mean, it wasn't like we went out and invented something. So I can never understand people being kind of that brainless to mess with somebody. And you actually don't want to wish on anybody. Absolutely. Especially at close-up. You know, if you're a couple, you know, football field away, yeah, that's okay. But up close and personal, that's, that's, that's,

That's something that I know will, you know, bother me for the rest of my life. I mean, I'm almost 50 years old now, and I cannot deal with being out at night. Yeah, you were closer to me, and I was about 15 feet away from two of them. Oh, wow. So I can only imagine. Yeah. I wouldn't want to have been any closer. I'm sorry.

Let's go ahead. Lynn, did your dog survive the attack? She did. The vet made a comment to my grandma. Well, that was the most stitches he's ever had to put in a dog in his life. Aw. Good Lord. Did you ever get a good look at the creature when it was kind of up on top of you?

I wouldn't look in the face. You know, and you just have this thing, you know, well, if you grow up in the country, you know, animals have a certain thing if you start looking in their eyes, you know. And, you know, I could tell you how the body was, but it's hard to do it on the phone. I mean, I could find a picture that's similar and send it to you and then add my little changes to it. But it was weird because in the porch lights it looked like it had some glossy stuff sprayed all over it, but it was dark. Right. The hair was dark.

It wasn't fur. It was hair. But it was like sort of like glistency, like shiny. Yeah, we've actually heard that a few times. Yeah, absolutely. It's funny. I was just looking at the movie. I don't know if you've heard of it.

It's called Exist. And I was looking at some of the photos that they had posted of what the Sasquatch looks like in the movie. And they come pretty close. The only difference I would say is that they don't have the size down right. You know, the size is just something so outrageous when you see it. But I can't imagine. I mean, what a terrifying.

Yeah. This thing is if you took two football. players with their paths on and put them side to side, this thing is, it was huge. You know, I just thought I was going to be dead. I don't understand why it would do that to me and not just pick me up. It was right on me, you know, and I felt my height to it. I was like, you know, at his belly button, his waist. Yep.

Right. I know. I know Will does, too. It's terrifying because it's like you don't take away all the other stuff that goes along with Sasquatch and just put it with its size. And when you come across something that big, it's terrifying because you're like, man, this thing could turn me into a pretzel. It could snap me in half. It definitely redefines giant in your mind. Yes, it does.

Absolutely. Absolutely. It's like how can something so huge, you know, not be seen as often. you know, as it has been, you know. Right, right. And that's something I've thought about, too, because I know the ones that I saw, and Will's talked about different ones that he's seen,

but when you see something so big out there, you think, my God, how could not more people see this thing? This thing is huge when it's up, especially when it's up walking on two feet. This thing's huge. It seemed like everyone in the world would see this thing when they're out in the forest. It'd be hard to miss this thing.

Well, there's a couple things there, too. First of all, a lot more people do see them than report them. I mean, I estimated it in mind that in Vancouver, at least 10 people for everyone that did report it would not report it. Right. Right. Right. Right.

And secondly, they're not moving. I mean, people for the most part are out in the daytime. And if you think about it, when people are driving down mountain roads, They're not really looking off to the left and the right. They're kind of fixated down the road and whatever it is they're going to. And then depending on the time of year, the amount of foliage, you don't get that much vision off to your left and right. So, you know, if it's outside your range of vision, which is 20 yards, maybe, tops,

you're not going to see anything. And then these guys are feeding primarily at night. So that's the reason they're not seen by multitudes of people, but there are a lot of sightings. Probably more sightings of these things than people actually see bear out in the wild. I'd be willing to say that. Right.

And I'm wondering now, because, you know, there's bear coming out of the hills and stuff, there's been a few that have been hit in the area because of the drought. I moved, you know, 35 miles away from where I was raised. And even though there was, like, you know, mountain line in the driveway, and a deer down the road, well, deer come in my yard, but a bear down the dirt road, you know,

I still feel scared to go outside at night knowing, you know, there is a possibility, you know, it could come to my house, you know, and I do have to drive at night at certain times, and I can pick out anything that's not right on the side of the road. I mean, my fear is coming around the corner, and it's going to be right there in the road, and I don't want to ever see it again, you know, up close, but it's just a constant fear. Right. Well, Lynn, I know we were short on time. I wanted to bring you on.

I know how tough it was for you to share this encounter. I know you were nervous, and I told you not to be nervous. There's nothing to be nervous about. No one's going to beat you up over it. But I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing it with us. And if you want to hit us up offline, definitely hit us up off line. Definitely hit us up offline if you want to talk off here, I mean, about how you're feeling. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, I just think there needs to be a group for people that have had, you know, up-close experiences, you know, sort of like, you know, a moral support group. Yeah, well, that's what we are. Because going through counseling, I mean, I'm doing it because I don't know what else to do. Yeah, well, and it always helps to talk to other people that have seen the things, too. Pardon? It's always the best help to talk to others that have seen the things also. Yeah, because people don't understand, you know, I have dogs and sometimes they get out at night. And, you know, they don't understand why I freak out and start crying because I have to go look for a chihuahua.

You know, they don't understand the fear. Yeah, Lenny. You guys know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. Like, my goodness, you know, I was so sure if it wanted to, it could pick up that pickup and move it. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you, Lynn. I appreciate you again for calling in, sharing everything with us.

And like I said, if you want to talk offline, we're here for you, off the radio if you want to talk. We're definitely here for you. Okay, thank you. Oh, you're sure welcome. Thanks, Lynn. Well, Willis, Shannon, I know you're 10 minutes past your walking dead from there. Yeah, we are. How dare you?

You know what's going on right now? You're going to have to DVR that thing. No, we don't. No, we don't. It's so wrong. No, just kidding. I had to bring her on, though. You know, there were so many people that called in that we just didn't get to.

I can't even tell you the amount of callers right now. It's still waiting in the queue. And, I mean, God, we could do like a three or four hour show, just taking calls. But I want to thank everyone who called in. I want to, you know, it's tough to share your encounters. So we appreciate everyone who calls in and wants to share their encounter. I think the more that we share, the more that we can start gathering behaviors and start painting a picture on what's going on out there.

Right, right, absolutely. Any final words? Happy Sasquatch Sunday Yeah And watch out for those women drivers out there They'll get you every time Oh boy They got you on time though didn't they

They'll get you on time They'll get you on time Yeah, that's right Maybe not mentally in one piece But you got there physically in one piece Yeah That's right I had to throw up after I reached my destination

But I got there on time That's right You can have dinner You're all going to go You might have ulcers, but you can have dinner. Yeah. Yeah. Amen.

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