Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:61 Government Coverup

Episode Date: November 17, 2014

Tonight we speak with a ex-police officer who was investigating a Sasquatch encounter on a property and was told to back off of his investigation. When he refused, he was forced out of the police force. Join us for a crazy night, you will not want to miss this government cover-up. Why is the government covering up Sasquatch? Tonight we will give you some insight...

four, three, two, one, zero. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me.

What are you reporting? Somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's sort of a bitch is about six. Well, I know tonight's kind of a crazy night. We have Jeremy, who I'm going to be bringing on. And Jeremy had his story, it's almost kind of disturbing to hear his story because I've heard it so many times. And I know Will's heard it.

Will and I were just talking about this story. I know I talked to you a little bit about it, Shannon. And as soon as this guy started telling me his story, He's an ex-cop and he was investigating a Sasquatch encounter and he got pushed out of the force. But what's odd is when I was hearing his story, I already knew the ending because I had heard it three, four, five times already within the last year and a half. I've heard this exact same story over and over and over again. I'd like to say that's kind of disturbing, really. Don't you think?

Well, it is. It is when government officials can come in and interfere with local and state police when it's not their jurisdiction to do that. Whether it's, you know, in the course of criminal investigations or whatever they're doing, it's really not their business to do that. So that's very disturbing when they think they have the power to do those things. Well, yeah, the pattern is exactly the same every single time, too. As you said, Wes, it's like the same story over and over again. it's a pattern for sure so tonight I want to welcome Jeremy to the show

Jeremy has was in law enforcement for a long time and I wanted to welcome him to the show and have him his encounter with us or his experience with us Hey what's going on there Hey nothing not a whole lot how are you doing tonight Oh freezing but besides that I'm alright

Yeah I was just telling Will and Shannon before the show started that it's cold out here, man. It's real cold. I don't know. We're going like a real cold front right now. There's a bunch of weather coming through. It's free.

I find the 20s right now. It's just poof. Yeah. Well, Jeremy, I want to welcome you to the show, and I want to thank you for coming on and sharing your experience. I know when you and I talked the other day, I was pretty blown away by the encounter.

I'd like to say I'd never heard it before, but, you know, I've heard this story a few times. And I think when you and I were talking, I had mentioned to you, well, I already know how this is going to end. You were a police officer for several years. And why don't you start from the beginning and tell us what happened and just kind of walk through the whole from point A to point Z of what happened while you were out there investigating this little lady's encounter? Yeah, sure. Okay, this happened in April 2009, so almost six years ago, deep coming next year.

I live in Missouri. This was in a small town in south central Missouri, 1,500 to 2,000 people. So you know a small little tight-knit community. And I was a police officer there. We had a small force, four or five guys. And I was working night shift at the time. I got a call for service to go out to a residence.

I was a few miles outside of town. Now, we would take calls to these country residences that were right outside of town because a lot of times we didn't have a lot going on and weren't too busy. So to save the Highway Patrol or county or whoever had to come out there, we would just take them. The call I got was that she was having some kind of disturbance. Something was messing with her property, you know, wreaking havoc, basically.

So I went out there. As an older lady, she lived by herself and also and passed away a little bit before this. And her sons lived in the town. That was the police I was for when they had come out there and help her tend to livestock, they had a chicken, coop, horses, cattle, that kind of stuff. But I got out there, she was pretty shook. up. What she described me was she didn't know what it was.

She was a person, an animal. She had mentioned the word beer, I know, I think it was just because she didn't know. What she was describing was something would come in her yard. She had a big tree in the backyard to shake it violently, mess with her cattle, slap her barn. She described it as someone taking a golf club and hitting the side of her barn

and just running around on the edge of her property with a pretty thick woodmine. And she said, you could hear something. like running back and forth there. She described it as running, and I put that in my report. That might have something to do with what happened. You know,

and she didn't know what was going on. She didn't know if it was a person, come out there and try to, like, walk her animals or something off her property or if it was an animal. And she was just pretty shook up with it. So I put the report now. I went around her property. I took pictures.

We had a digital camera. I took picture. One side of her chicken coop was, the side was basically just ripped off, and she had some chicken since. her cattle, it was really weird. They were all huddled together when I got there, and they was up in the corner to the fence closest to the house.

As you could tell, they were kind of just like spooked. And I took pictures of the side of the barn. There was dents in it where they felt to hit it. And there was one part that was kind of dusty, or something you could tell had hit it and left kind of a sneered hamper. It wasn't a real clear one. But you could see a couple of fingers there.

So that's when I was like, yeah, it's interesting. And I took pictures of all that and whatnot. I took three, fours. I told her, you know, well, I'm on duty. I'll come out, check your property, because I only got nothing to do through the night. I did a couple more times that night, that was going on early.

And I came back, well, when she had mentioned, let me tell you this, when she had mentioned the bear, that kind of peeped ranchers. So I called the conservation agency and told them what was going on, and they asked me some interesting questions.

They wanted to know basically the gist of the report, if I had pictures, what it looked like to me, yada, yada, yada. I just told them everything. They said they'd send someone out. Well, a couple of days went by, and I followed up with her on another shift, and she had told me an agent had come out there, took her report, gone around, took their own pictures, that kind of stuff.

When I say agent, this is a fishing game agent, Missouri conservation agent, and told her that it was a fair. She had nothing to worry about. They just do this from time to time and release. Now, West, when I first told you, it got me thinking, that part of Missouri, like, you'll get bears up there occasionally. It's very, very rare. Like, you'll get a rogue bear or two maybe comes up that way. It's very rare.

I mean, they stay more to the very southern part of the state almost by the border and whatnot. Right. So I was like, okay. You know, I followed up with her a couple more times, and I didn't tell you this part. there. One night I was out there just sitting out there in her driveway and it was just very weird. I don't know how to describe it.

When I got out there, I just sat in my car. Nothing really going on with the window down. And it was just dead, silent, calm, eerie. I mean, it was just really odd. Then you could hear something, I could hear something in the tree line. It sounded like it was shuffling back and forth a little bit.

You know, it'd go like 15, 20 yards stopped, then back and forth. And I hit my spotlight. You have spotlight on the I recall, and it would just go, the woods would go completely silent. Did that a couple of times. So I'm just thinking, you know, what is going on here?

So after I did the couple follow-ups, I get called in the office one day for a meeting for my chief of police. Now, I'd sat in on meetings before anything concerning the police department, city council, all that. You got the mayor, and he had four council people with them. Anytime there was a meeting,

they were all present. Now, when I go into my meeting, when I get there, there's a conservation truck out front and a blacked out Crown Vic. Black tended windows. I didn't catch the tags on it. You know, I wish I would have. I assumed it was a government vehicle.

I'll get to that in a minute. So I go in. Inside, there's two conservation agents. A gentleman and a polo, you know, like slacks. He had a gun on his side. Crew cut, you know, kind of built. just like I told you, I hate generalize them, but if you've seen someone that you thought was like a secret service agent

or FBI agent, something like that, he just fit that kind of mold, you know, real stoic, just not saying much or even looking around or anything. Then there was the mayor and my chief of police. It's very peculiar that it was just those people there. So I'm sitting in there. They want my case file for that call, all my notes, everything. I have it with me in my briefcase

I had in my car I gave all that stuff to him the agent and the guy he was referred to as their consultant I never got a name on him I don't know who he was that's what I was told he was they start scouring through the report

they go through our digital camera they have it up there I see they're going through that they're talking amongst each other the mayor tells me that you know we're going to see some desist on this case they're taking it over now you have to understand this is a very peculiar situation because I've dealt with other state agencies.

I had to have help from the FBI, even Interpol in a case I had previous with identity theft. Never once did they come in and just take over the case. It was always, you know, co-we'd help and tell around. You know, they wouldn't just come in and take it over. Don't they have to have some grounds to come in there and take it over from a local municipality? Correct. if what is going on is in our,

oh, I say our, at this time, in our jurisdiction, that's our case. So I'm just thinking this is very, very odd. And my chief of police, he always has my back, or he always did. You know, he stood up for his officers and whatnot, sitting in the back and not saying the word, arms crossed, he wouldn't say anything. So I start questioning the mayor, you know,

what is going on, why are we doing this? This isn't right, you know. This is when the unidentified gentleman, he kind of speaks up. He tells me, we thank you for your work. But we'll take it from here. And he wasn't mean about it, but he was, like, staring a hole through me. You know, I kind of got the gist that it was like, it was not a threat, but it was. It was like, you know, time's the back off.

So I was just like, okay, you know, what's going on? They take everything with them. They leave. Talk to my chief of police. He just told me, you just need to drop it and go from there. Like, okay, you know, I take the next day off. and it was just bothering me. I was trying to rack my brain about what was going on.

And I thought when I get back to work the next day after my day, I'm going to go back through that stuff and just see what could they be so interested in. Well, I get back in that day, I can't find the case file, all my notes, everything. It's all disappeared. It's gone. The camera, all the pictures it took, they're not on there. Nothing in our database, nothing. It's like it just up and disappeared, like it didn't even happen.

I had a Actually had a friend that worked at the dispatch center Went down there and talked to them They said They had people come in there They didn't tell me who or how many Nothing like that But they said they come in there

And they don't have any record Of the recordings or whatever They took whatever it was That was on the radio Which I believe that's either a federal crime Or it's pretty serious I never heard of that Before this

Now I'm really starting to wonder What's going on You know, I'm just like, you know, what the hell's going on, you know? So I follow up with the woman a couple more times. She's having the same activity going on. You know, I told her what I was told, and I, you know, I wished her luck. I mean, there wasn't much more I could do about it. Well, from the time that first meeting occurred, and I told Westis,

is actually, I told him six weeks. It was probably more, it was between four and six. I can't know. Somewhere in between. In that time period, I was phased out of that department, and I was gone. They started riding my behind about everything I did. They wouldn't know what I was doing. You know, any little mistakes I made, they were coming on on it.

And I got pulled into there one day, and they told me, we know you've been going out there and talking to that woman. I wasn't at this time, but I had, they said, we pulled you to leave it alone. You didn't. We're either going to offer you the chance to resign, or you'll be. be fired. And again, this meeting was interesting, too, because it was just the mayor and just my chief police in there. So again, I wasn't giving any kind of write-up, suspended nothing. It was like they just cut the cord right there. So I resigned, and that was that.

That was, I don't know, just really bothered me, you know. Fast forward about a year. This really doesn't have anything to do with my case, but it kind of does. I mean, what I'm going to tell you, it made me of my eyes to what happened to me. About a year later, I was working at a jail. A guy in there, we had a skillet in through this on nights ago. There was about four or five guys in there, and one was an older guy gentleman.

He was retired out of the Air Force. He was pretty highly ranked. I can't remember exactly what his rank was when he retired, but I know he was pretty high up, and he had told me he was just working there, you know, because he lived close mall and just one in a woman with being bored. And he was, I was the only one.

He really talked to a lot because I kind of gained his trust. and me and the other guys, we talk a lot about, you know, like UFOs and ghosts and big, you know, just all kinds of things. And he would sit back, he wouldn't say anything. But one night, we were talking about this stuff, and then me and him went to do with perimeter check as you walk around the building, just make sure they want to escape, anything like that. And he asked me, he's like, all that stuff you're not talking about, you believe in any of that? And I was like, yeah, I mean, I have an open mind to a lot of things. And he's like, I was like, do you know, I just poked him probably?

I'm like, do you know anything about any of that? he's like, I know more than what I could probably say. So we started talking about, like, Bigfoot stuff. And he said, you know, there's more of them than what people believe. And they believe it. He said, a lot of people believe it's just a centralized thing to maybe the Northwest or South. He said not.

There's way more of them people believe. They're all over the place. So that's like, got me curious. I was like, why do you think, you know, they won't come out and say this, acknowledge it or whatever. And by saying they admit the government. And it's funny, because when I would ask him anything, he would always say we. He'd always refer to everything as we.

I don't know if it's a military thing or if there's more to meet the eye with that, but he'd always say we. Good time. You know, I didn't really know a lot about, you know, the inner work games, the conspiracy kind of stuff and all the science behind Sasquatches and whatnot then. It was kind of a more casual thing for me. And he's like, well, what do you think it would be if why they wouldn't? And I just said it's because of the money. And he's like, bingo. He's like, you got to understand.

It'd be chaos. if they come out and acknowledge that all kind of industries will be affected, you know, you're camping, hunting, fishing, outdoors, you know,

parks would be, excuse me, parks would have to be shut down and remapped, core lands. I mean, you said you'd have people going crazy because their property would be impeded on and,

you know, it would just be chaos and it just got me thinking, you know, and it was like, you got me thinking about what happened to me. It was like, I wonder if that's,

why what happened really is that's why because they just wanted to shut it down and keep it you know hooked away we have a small town yeah go ahead Jeremy I didn't weren't you blackballed from other law enforcement jobs or you felt like you were yeah I mean I'm looking back on now there's no doubt my mind I was I mean after I left that agency I didn't have another law enforcement job like on the road I worked with my jail for a while, but I applied at different agencies. It's not anywhere you can think of that had a job opening. Like I was telling you, a lot of places will, you know,

bring you in this, like, pre-testing to see if you make a good candidate, maybe an interview. I couldn't even get a call back. It was really weird. I mean, it would, that's what I felt like I was, that felt like I was made to be a ghost. Like I was just wiped off, you know, the map in that field. That's pretty strange.

I'm sorry, well, go ahead. No, go ahead. I was just wondering as far as your resignation, what do they put in the file for that? Is there details on, you know, why you did it or the background of it, and that's why it was difficult for you? Now, anything that involved that, I don't know.

I couldn't get to it. They just told me that it would be a mutual separation-type deal where I just resigned. I don't think they had to specifically put why I resign. And I think no matter what I would have said, they would have just put whatever they wanted in there anyways. Yeah. We've had actually a few cases in relatively recent times the past months where almost identical things happened that happened to you. Right.

You know, where law enforcement officers were responding to normal calls. When they got there, they found out it was actually a Sasquatch related incident or incidents. And, you know, the officers and concerned were called into the office. You know, these three people were there. One, specifically, I remember this was people identified as Department of the Interior. Officers in question were, you know, put on the spot, threatened with being fired. Our friend Mr. Black, who's our insider, told me. after some of these incidents that he ran down a list of things that would happen.

You know, officers who are confronted in these situations are usually threatened. They're discredited so they can never work in law enforcement again. They're fired. There's a whole host of things that can happen to people. But it's very common. It's almost exactly the same elements that happen in each one of these events. Right. It's just really weird because, I mean, I know, I still know people,

But in that town, any time I go back there, it's just like, I don't know. It's like I'm an outcast or something. I mean, that's the best way I can put it. I don't know. It's just really weird. And I was telling West, you know, it's a small little town. It sits on a main highway that goes here through Missouri. So, you know, they depend on a lot of through traffic coming through there and stuff.

So, I mean, looking back on, I can see why, you know, if I stumbled onto something that was going on, why they just want to put a lid on it and keep it quiet. But then again, it's like, you know, that's a little podunk town in the middle of nowhere, Missouri. If they go to that link to shut it up there, it's like, you know, what else can be going on? And I think, you know, because it's more apparent when law enforcement officers get involved in these situations because of the credibility you folks have, when you say you saw something or this happened, you know, that can't be ignored. Where just Joe Blow down the streets as they see something, it's like, well, you know, maybe. maybe it was a misidentification.

Well, you know, law enforcement folks are trained observers. You know, your testimony is able to use in court testimony. So the weight of it. And I think we had a federal biologist emailed me a while back, and he wanted to remain anonymous for obvious reasons. And he told me that from his perspective, what he knew was that the reason they would uphold these things. and when West told me your story, I knew it was right on the mark from what they told you that,

or what the military officer told you about the economics part. He said that the outdoor recreation industry is a trillion dollar annual industry. So if that were disrupted, which this would, you know, the ripple effects to the economy would be devastating. Right. He told me, no, he was the, I mean, he was starting to open up to me about. more things, you know, and he was starting to tell me, you know, he's like, you got to think about the science of it, the zoological records, all the false records are going to have to be rewritten. It would cost a lot of people jobs, you know, when he was like, and then you start getting,

and he told me, like, you'd have to start getting the fact that you have to start telling these people what these creatures are capable of and what might happen. And once you tell people that, they're not going to want to go, you know, camping or honey or fishing. Like, it was just, you know, it would be like a trickle of a thing. they're not the friendly forest giant, some of these folks. And I almost wonder when some of these people come out with this stuff publicly, it's almost like they're encouraged to do this.

Everything, you look at this subject, and it's remained in the same position that's been in since the 1960s. And I almost wonder if that isn't an effort by somebody to keep it where it is, you know, on the fringe of believability. You know, like television shows and everything out there is sort of junk. you know, for a lack of a better term, you know, instead of really good information that's out there getting presented to the public, it's all this crap. Right. And it's funny you said that because one of the things that you were told me also was like, he told me that, you know, he kind of said, be careful you talk to about this because you never know if you're talking to someone that's legit or someone that's, you know, he specifically said like, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if they've infiltrated groups, you know, stuff like that.

He said Hindu of guys he had worked with that were given task with infiltrating Mufon, which I don't know if you guys are familiar with that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's like the BFR equivalent for UFOs and aliens. He said he knew guys that they would have in that and would be monitoring stuff. So, I mean, he didn't name any group specifically, but, I mean, it makes sense. Right, and our friend, Mr. Black, did say that to me, that they will do that with groups. and it's been mentioned a couple of times

that they do listen to this show. Right. Wouldn't surprise me. You know, what you said about it being on the fringe kind of ticks a light bulb off for me because if you think about what some of these fringe of police would say, ghosts, UFOs, that kind of stuff. I mean, there's stuff all over TV.

It's talked like it's almost commonplace. Now when you get with like Sasquatches and other crypto-related stuff, it's like... It's like a joke. There's things out there, but, yeah, there's not as much. And what it is, it's, you know, people out there, you know, doing the things they do, like, you know, being silly. Screaming and banging on trees. And, you know, if you're out looking, if you're looking for a real animal, any hunter knows this,

the last thing you're going to do is go out and bang on trees and scream and use disco lights and all kinds of silly things. Right. You're never going to find any wildlife that way. So it really begs the question. what's going on there. And it's also curious to me that, and he mentioned this, and it was curious to me about how

it seems like when you hear things on TV, on the Internet, whatever, from various sources, it's usually centralized, like Pacific Northwest, some in the South, Texas, a little bit in Canada. It's like,

and he was trying to emphasize to me that, like, no, these things are all over the plane center, and there are more of them than what people believe. He's like, and but they don't want that out there because then you got people freaked out thinking, well, this could be in my backyard, you know, kind of ordeal. Absolutely. Absolutely.

And the funny thing, I had told Westis, I dropped this up to him. I probably sound a little crazy at first. But we want to think about it. I think I may not be is that I asked him out, and I'll ask you, Will, like, do you think it's possible or even plausible that these guys in the military, I mean, this was an older guy, he said he was retired, but he still talked like he was. not, you know, like he was still active. And I wonder if maybe they get these guys that maybe related or some kind of Bigfoot related project or whatever when they get toward the end of their career. If they don't spawn them out to various places in the country and they kind of be like

their eyes and ears, you know, on the field. It could be. I kind of wonder that. Well, as you guys, you go up in rank and you're in a long time, you know, you maintain contacts. So even though you're out, I have friends that are retired after many of you. years and, you know, they're still on the end when it comes to knowledge because they talk to their friends. And when you're in that position, when you say we, you know, you still consider yourself part of

the establishment. Right. And technically you are, if you're retired, you're still, you know, senior officers and NCOs can still be called up if need be, but they are part of the system still. So, oh, yeah, they, I've had friends tell me very high-ranking friends, you know, that I've known since I was a teenager. and would say anything, tell me anything. And I'd say, well, what do you know about this? And he would say no comment. Well, that's very unusual.

So, you know, yeah, they know. I told Wes, you know, my dad was in the Marines and Arnie over 25 years. I mean, he doesn't talk about a lot about his military career, but he will. But I have a nephew that got into this with me, you know, kind of, we've gotten pretty, you know, almost obsessed with it, you know, the information in science, behind it and with your guys to show and whatnot. We talk about it whenever we talk about, like, when he's around, he just doesn't really want to hear anything about it.

And part of he kind of wonders if he ever had an encounter just doesn't want to talk about it. It's possible, but, you know, one thing, one thing with military people, whether you were in three years or 30 years, you know, we're all sort of, we all sort of consider ourselves part of a brotherhood, like police. Right, right. And you will tell a fellow or former soldier, sailor, a mariner airman, something that, you know, you will tell. you wouldn't tell a civilian. Right. Even if they're family, you may not talk. Right.

And I mean, I don't know that he ever did. I just always thought I was curious. Yeah, I've had a number of people contact me that were ex-military, retired and such, that said the main reason they contacted me was because, you know, we had that connection with the military. Right. And they never told wives, husbands, spouses, you know, their family, et cetera. And that's kind of thing with me.

I told Wes, you know, he was the first person I told the story to my wife. He doesn't know anything about it. My family, no one. I just never felt comfortable talking about with anyone. And that's very common with this subject. I mean, regardless of the type of encounter with these creatures, you know, and you had the experience with the federal folks as well. So that's a compound situation.

It's very difficult. I mean, there's no one you can talk to you. And like you said, you look at all these things going out there in the Bigfoot community. And it doesn't take very long before you realize how disreputable 99% of it is out there. So who you really turn to? It's kind of weird around these parts, too, like in Missouri. And, you know, it's something that's really just not talked about a lot.

I try to see people out to talk to about it or be interested in research and everything. And it's just, it's like it's, I don't know, it's not talking about a lot around here like it is in other area. I think it's kind of like that generally in the general southern, southeastern part of the country. I find it really interesting and terrible at the same time that, and maybe it's just to us that are in this community. It's a blaringly obvious thing, but these agencies don't seem to care that it's really obvious as to what the reason is that got you resigned or got you to resign. and I just, it's so obvious. Like the whole thing is so, yeah, it's because you were investigating something you shouldn't have been looking into, at least in their eyes. I find that it floors me.

It floors me that, you know, they can get away with that. But of course, they're, I guess, what are they? They, they big brother or they're the money guys. They're, you know, they're watching out for the money. It's scary and it's very interesting. interesting. But look what I did. Right.

Well, something the Air Force guy worked with told me that I thought was interesting, you know, I kind of told him, I was like, there's a reason you're kind of telling me this stuff, you know, because I was thinking, boy, he could get in a lot of trouble if it came out that I knew he had stuff. And he was like, well, for one, I trust you. And for two, who are you going to tell? You know, it's my word against yours. I was kind of like, yeah.

I do have one question. Sure. One question, do you know if they erased any 911 calls? I guess it was a 911 call. It wasn't like an emergency call. It was just a regular call for service. But I know when I went and talked to the dispatcher, they didn't have the tapes when they were gone.

They said someone came in there and took them. I was curious because, number one, that's illegal. Right. They're doing things like that. And secondly, I've heard this two or three times from different law enforcement people who were in similar circumstances and had 911 calls and then they went back to check and they had been erased from the logs. And a comment was, that I was going to make too, was that one law enforcement person I know

actually, you know, had run in with some of these people who identified themselves as Department of the Interior. And that's happened. We've heard that a few times. But he actually photographed the plate of the vehicle they were in and ran. the plate and it came up Department of Homeland Security. I think a lot of us are beginning to feel that that

Homeland Security thing is sort of a blanket for doing all sorts of things. Well, you know, party wonders at the Air Force isn't because a lot of things I hear, weird things come out of that branch. I mean, I have no disrespect to them or anything, but it's like,

you know, that seems like that's a front for a lot of different things. I hear a lot of Right. Our friend Mr. Black told me a while back that, you know, the reason that they got into this, you know, he told me that they, the Russians, you know, back in the 70s were discussing, you know, capturing one of these things, their version and seeing if they, they couldn't use them some way as super soldiers. Weaponize them or something like that? Weaponize them, right. So that's the reason our government got interested in this. and the photographs he saw were taken by, you know, the pod cameras from fighters.

They actually knew where to look for these things. They had very good photographs of them. They knew there were four different types of them species or subspecies. They knew quite a bit of information. So, yeah, they definitely played a central role. He, you know, knew the Navy was involved, I'm sure. And, of course, we know about Army Special Forces units being set out periodically to take care of these things. So, yeah, they're all involved in that, sure.

Right. And it's just like, like I said, it made me think if they would go the length they did with me, or how far down the rabbit hole does this go? Yeah, it's definitely going down the rabbit hole. He even told me, he told me, you know, like, these things that people might see it silly or, you know, not important in those circles, they're taking very seriously, and they're giving a lot more credence, you know, than people believe. I believe them, you know.

Absolutely. Yeah, I wonder how high it goes. You know, I wonder what rank does it stop at, the need to know about the subject, and, you know, the links they'll go to to keep it quiet. Right. I mean, that's kind of why I was going. I think looking back on it, that's why I kind of subconsciously just, like, kind of let it go. It's probably because I was just, I mean, now I know, you know, you know,

and it was like, I probably was, I can't say for sure if I can't put myself back in that time, but if I had to guess, I was afraid. Oh gosh Jeremy I mean it changed your whole life Just going out on that On that call And caring enough for that woman To keep checking on her

That's changed your whole life I mean how long had you been there With that agency I've been with that one for You know Eight months I think But I had been a police officer For a few years before that

I mean Yeah I went too far in my career But I've been doing it for a little bit It's really You know I was also going to mention I knew that

But there was, well, I didn't at the time. I know now what I know, that there was activity going on out there because my mother-in-law lived down by there and her neighbor blazed. Alpacons. They're like mamas. Uh-huh. They keep it mean and nasty. They stay in groups, you know.

They're smart animals. Well, he come across one of his one morning, and he showed me the picture of it. One had its head twisted around, one of its legs was almost like broke off. I saw the pictures and it looked like it had been like crudely, I guess that's a way to describe it, disembowed kind of.

I'm not trying to think it a way to describe it, you know. You could tell. I mean, he knew it was something, but I mean he wasn't going to come out and say it, but no one I know now, it's just kind of crazy. Like, holy crap, you know. And hearing some of the other stories

and some of your all's experiences and knowing, like I said back then when I went on that call, I didn't know what the hell was going on, but now it's like, yeah, pretty positive what I was dealing with, you know? Kind of crazy. Yeah, once a reality starts setting in, it really, it kind of elevates your level of thinking about the world. Right, exactly, you know. It makes you wonder, too, I know you guys talked about the money side of it, which I agree with, if Sasquatch were to come out, but if Sasquatch is responsible for all these different missing people

and the government was well aware these animals existed, and if at any part of the cover-up, you'd have multi-million dollar lawsuits against the government for technically being responsible for these people going missing. If there's a line out there running around, and I tell me to the police... Right.

You'd have lawsuits, but you'd have political upheaval as well. The mass of people in the country would be just go ballistic. I mean... Yeah, they would... Well, even the politicians would... would point fingers at each other and it would cause a melee. You wouldn't even need to mention the word Bigfoot. Just the fact that people had been killed with their knowing,

law enforcement officers were illegally not being able to perform their duties. I mean, there's all these things. If that ever comes out, then you're going to have hundreds of thousands, you know, Billy Bob's out in the woods trying to hunt these things down, shoot each other, shooting God knows what. I mean, it would be chaos. That's true, but I think that's actually way down the list compared to the larger scale things. You know, I mean, look at things.

You go back and look at things like, you know, Watergate and those kind of scandals that went on. This isn't just a scandal. This would be gigantic in scope. The way I look at this is that once the cork, so to say, pops off this, it would just, it would go, it would spiral to God knows what he might. I mean, there'd be all kinds of families. Oh, yeah. Yeah, nobody could stop it.

And it wouldn't be just here because these things are in other countries as well. Right. It'd be a worldwide thing. And then you'd have like all the, you'd have the PETA and all those groups wanting it protected. There had to be laws. I mean, it would be. Oh, it'd be insane. It'd be crazy.

Core lands would have to be, you know, and visit. And it's not just federal land. You know, you're talking private property as well. do they confiscate private property? Right. There's all sorts of constitutional, all sorts of constitutional issues going on there. Right. Yeah, it's a major, major problem.

It was like the Air Force friend told me, no, he was like, and he said, you know, people can bring whatever video pictures. It doesn't matter. He said, for one, they can be discredited if they really need to be, and for two, until a body flopped down on a table somewhere somewhere somewhere, that ain't going to matter. Here's something our friend. Mr. Black said too. He said, and not just him, I've heard this from a couple other people who said they were working for the government that sent anonymous emails.

They said, you can talk about this all you want to, and they don't care. And you can be right on the money, and they don't care. But if you can prove it, then they get involved. And I would be honest with it, it wouldn't surprise me if someone has at one point another killed one and was planning to do whatever with it and they were intervened on, you know. I do understand and actually sympathize what they're thinking about this in terms of protecting, you know, everybody, because it really would impact everyone's day-to-day life. And so I do understand that, but I'm not sure I agree with the methods that they're going about it. But then I don't know. I mean, maybe they have no other recourse at this point. And the reasoning, to me it kind of comes off as a kind of nefarious reasoning as of why they don't want it out there.

Yeah, exactly. I want to thank you guys for what you do and, you know, for giving me the opportunity to talk about. It's been a huge relief and relief to, like, get this off my chest and talk with something about it. And I know it is for a lot of people, so I just appreciate you guys and what you do. We appreciate it. And you're not alone. That's one thing. As far as being a law enforcement officer, this has happened to other people as well.

Right. And that's what, you know, I've been calling it and talking about, you know, got her, just never did it. But it was when I heard that story, I think it's a couple weeks ago, with another story kind of like mine, I was just like, you know, that's, I'm hearing this too much. I want my story out there so people know what's happening all over. I would be willing to bet, yeah, I'd be willing to bet that other officers will come forward, too, with very similar accounts.

Maybe even people in the conservation departments or anything, you know, that have had encounters, maybe they will too, you know, hopefully open a floodgate up to get people to talk. Yeah, maybe someday we get some disgruntled person that actually gives the orders, you know, to execute all of these things to keep quiet, that would be something that's called a press conference and reveals all. That would be quite cool. Yeah.

If he'd have to make it to be press conference, but you never know. I was going to say he would. Yeah, thank you so much, ma'am. No problem, man. Thank you guys for talking with me. And like I said, just being in a year I can talk to. keep doing what you're doing because I love your guys to show and I think when it comes to this kind of subject

you guys are at the top. I appreciate that man, very much. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, thank you. No problem. Have you good night, buddy. All right, buddy. Talk to you later.

Here's a cop that actually cares about his job and is doing the right thing by responding to a service call. His job is for public safety. Here he's trying to do the right thing. And it's kind of like job well done. You can resign or you can get fired now. And you think about all the work it takes to become a police officer.

You know, the years of work in school and then you go through the academy and all the process to get the job and you do a good job. You walk the line and think you're in, you know, like you said, job well done and all of a sudden somebody comes in and says well you got a choice you can either be fired or resigned what does that do to your outlook the rest of your life on everything that you believe in when he obviously took pride in his job you know he took the protect and serve part very seriously absolutely and i'm sure you know the people doing this stuff probably think well it's like the soldiers in combat you know it's better to have a few casualties than to lose everything you're doing, you know, but it's just a damn shame.

It's awful. It actually changes and or ruins someone's life, you know, to cover something up. They're making casualties out of good people for whatever greater good they are following. Right. And as you mentioned, Will, it sounds like to them the greater good is we don't want to lose our revenue. Right, right. Well, and that's part of it.

I mean, I don't know. We don't know what all they're being told or what their beliefs are, but they're ruining people along the way, though. Yeah. You know, when I was 23, I had my car stolen, and it took six hours for a cop to come out. This old lady's banging on, you know, I had someone banging on her house, and bam, this guy's going out there every other night. I mean, got up there's more cops like that, I think.

Yeah. Yeah. I had my freaking car stolen. It took six hours. They had a cop out there, and hearing a woman, you know, this guy's going out there checking on her. So, I mean, it's a shame. It really is a shame that happened to him. Hey, Jack.

Hey, thanks for having me on. I'll make it short. Back up in central Utah, a friend of mine, Chuck and I decided to go on an ATV trip up a creek they called Deer Creek. As you start out, you go up and it's just sheer rock walls and it opens up, you know, follows the creek and you end up up in meadows and tall pine trees. It's just really beautiful up in there. And I was in front and I didn't notice Chuck in the back, so I stopped and turned off my ATV and sat there. and sat there for a while and realized that it was just way quiet. No insects, birds, nothing was making noise.

I hate it when it gets like that. So we caught up and we headed up the mountain along the creek and through the trees and stuff. Got up until we hit snow and had to turn around and come back. He was in front of me, and as I came down, the sun was setting in the back, and I got to a corner at the creek, and I noticed an arm reaching out. And I noticed it because the sun was shining in the hair that was about two or three inches long, down the arm. and I followed down the arm to the torso and had a big foot there. He had one arm around the tree, and he was kind of leaning out with his arm stretched out, looking at us go by.

And when I saw that, I slammed on my brakes and threw it in reverse and came back as fast as I could. But where he was standing on the other side of the creek, there was trees behind him that was shadowy and dark, and he was gone. Sat there for five minutes and tried to hear anything or not. Didn't hear anything, so I headed on down. About a year or two later, we were headed up a different road in the same area. And I noticed some tracks, big footprints. They were 15-inch long. They came down a really steep mountain to the road.

And another set of tracks where something had jumped off the top, about 10 or 12 feet down, and landed and turned and walked down. And I'm pretty sure that the one I saw was a juvenile. because it wasn't much taller than I am. I'm like five, six. And so it was nice to know that they're still in that area, but it was a pretty cool encounter. I was just going to say it sounded kind of similar to Win,

our friend Windon with Montana's account. You know, he was driving along and saw the one. Yeah, that's kind of what I was starting to think of, too, is Wynn's account. How far away do you think you were, Jack, from a creature? 10 feet. Oh, wow. That's pretty close.

Right along. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what caught my eye was the sun glistening off its hair on its arm, was it hung down. And when you described the arm, both arms were stretched out? Like it was, like, reaching for you? Well, it had one arm around a tree, kind of like to pull itself back. And the other arm, it was kind of.

stretched out with an arm up, leaning out looking, looking at me as I went by. Okay. And I think it was doing that so that if it needed to, it could pull itself back in and disappear or hide. And how long ago did this happen to you? Oh, this has probably been five or six years. years ago. What part of the country was it in? It was up in central Utah and Paiute County area. It was actually up by...

It's up by... Salt Lake? No, it's down by Interstate 70 and headed towards Denver. It was actually about a couple miles from Big Rock Canyon Mountain in that part of severe Paiute County area. That area gets a ton of ATV traffic. Yeah.

Well, it's a fascinating account. Did you have any questions, Will or Shannon, for Jack? No, I think I got it. No, very interesting. Yeah, thanks. Appreciate you guys. Thanks, we have to have an intelligent conversation with people about Bigfoot. Yeah.

We appreciate. listening. Appreciate you sharing too. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks, Jack. Yeah. Bye. I want to thank Jeremy for coming on and sharing his experience and kind of what he went through.

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