Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:612 The Last Show

Episode Date: December 28, 2019

The last show of 2019! Doug from Utah tells about a strange encounter he had while working as a hunting guide.   We'll also be talking to Matt from Arkansas who writes, "When I was a child at my grandparents farm. I was playing outside when I saw a little animal as I approached the little one a big one came from behind a tree. He motion for me to come to him I backed away then he pointed at the baby then pointed at me and wave for me to come. I started towards him and he stepped towards me then my grandma yelled for me to come to the house he heard her and blended behind the tree that when I noticed there were more and they all disappeared. The baby crawled like a cat. Both my brothers had encounters so has my dad. I was also hit in the head with a rock once. I lived in southern Arkansas when this all happened. Sorry for the messiness of the email doing it on my phone. If you would like to hear the story I would like to tell you about it I've never told anyone because I felt crazy."   Visit our website HERE for additional weekly shows and exclusive content.

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs were showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquod. Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Last show of the year. Thank you so much for being here as we wrap up 2019. It's been a great year. And I appreciate you guys being along for the ride. Tonight we'll be talking to Doug. And Doug comes

us from Utah. Doug had a very strange encounter when he was out hunting with family and friends and had a run-in with one of these creatures. We'll also be talking to Matt, and Matt comes to us from Arkansas. He's going to be sharing with us an encounter that happened to him when he was very young out on his grandparents' property. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Doug to the show. Doug, thanks for coming on. That's fun to be here.

Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And you had quite the encounter in Utah. If you would, Doug, just kind of start from the beginning. Kind of tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened if you would. All right. I was, this is 20, 25 years ago. I really couldn't tell you exactly when. I was working for a company or an outfit or

It's called Rocky Mountain Hunting Consultants. And we were guiding. I had two Germans and a gentleman from Switzerland down in southeastern Utah. Oh, we've been hunting. I think this is like on the fourth day of our hunt down there. We were, well, we were hunting that morning. We went up on the mountain. You know, it's kind of fun.

We got up there and had never hunted with anybody from Europe before. And, you know, we don't mind taking very long-range shots out here, but I think they're used to shooting shotguns or something. So we were hunting there, and we had this, I had two big four points on the side of the mountain. They were about 100 yards. I could not get them to take the shot because they were too far away. It was driving me crazy. So anyway, later that afternoon, we decided that we had just kind of split up and we'd go do some of our own hunting. and so after about four days I got a chance I had a tag and I was going to go hunt on my own

and I hiked up the top of the mountain and man I made a long trek this is by the way this is a place I'd never been before I was all brand new country to me I hiked clear across to the top of a ridge down a canyon way down to the far end of this thing I dropped down in and I found a little hole down in there that just looked like it was going to be a perfect place for a big old buck to come out. And so I crossed the canyon, went over the other side, found a little place, drove the trees, a big open place where the deer were going to come out.

And I sat there and I waited and I waited and I waited. I waited. Finally, I was getting about the perfect time a night. It was just in the evening. It was, oh, I know, 25, 30 minutes before it was actually going to be dark. It dusted out really nice and I was waiting for some movement and man, all of the sudden

I started hearing the most intense screaming or howling, roaring, I couldn't put my finger on what I was hearing. From where I was sitting about 1,200 yards away, I had

a couple other guides that I could see up on the top of this mountain ridge and I was looking at them with my binoculars when this started taking place and both of those guys I mean their experience outdoorsmen they heard what was going on

and they jumped up and they took off going exactly the opposite direction and I it was like I didn't know what I was listening to but it was scary and so they take off going the opposite direction and I'm sitting there thinking well that's crazy

and I knew that this took me probably three hours to hike there the direction I did to get to where I was at. I wasn't willing to hike back out of there the same way. And so I was going to go up the bottom of this canyon that I was in. And I figured it would bring me out to where we had parked that morning and I'd be able to find my way out. So I was sitting there and these guys had taken off. But this screaming was just, it was just.

continued. I mean, it was loud. It was nothing that I've ever heard. And obviously, there was there is guiding. I know elk, bear, deer, you know, Cougar. I mean, I think I've seen everything that there was and heard everything

that you can hear up on the mountains. But I'd never heard anything like this. And I just have to say it was scary. And so I sat there and thought, well, it's going to quit.

There's just no way that whatever this is doing is going to stay there. But it was, I mean, I'm nervous sitting here. As I'm telling this story, I'm rocking back and forth because I was just that same way. I mean, I didn't know what to do. But I knew I didn't want to try hiking around in the dark. And I figured, well, as soon as he got dark, or it was going to quit. was going to move off, but it didn't. 20 minutes later, it's full black night.

There's clouds in the sky. There's no stars. And this thing is continuing to scream. And I, so I figured, well, listen, when I pull the flashlight out and I'm walking up the trail to flashlight, whatever it is is going to move off. So I reached into my backpack and pulled out my flashlight. And that stinking flashlight had come on in my backpack. and the battery was dead and I had no flashlight.

So I thought, wow. So I knew I couldn't make it back around the other way. I just didn't know how I was going to get out of there except for go up the canyon. And so I decided, well, if I get closer to it, the closer I get it's going to move off. And this was, I mean, it had to be 800 yards away from where I was at least. and I it's really so dark I cannot see

and I mean it's pitch black and I was hoping there was a trail that I could find and I'm literally I start making my way up this trail and I keep putting I have one foot tapping on the ground in front of me trying to find a clear path because I can't see the trail

and I'm making my way up the path now I'm probably I'm probably a little paranoid about being safe. And I never have a bullet in my chamber. I figure if I don't have time to chamber around, it's not going to be a good shot. So I put a bullet in my chamber and put the safety on,

and I have my finger on the trigger, and I'm making my way up this path, and it is still screaming. it's probably being screaming for about 40 minutes. And I mean, it's like, I mean, my only vision is it's telling me whatever it is, I don't belong there and don't you come this way. I mean, it was it was something that I, this whole time I'm going, I don't know what this is, but I know everything that it's not. and I had some pretty vivid imaginations of what just could be up there, but it wasn't anything that anybody wanted to run into.

And so I still am making my way up this trail and getting closer, and the screaming just continues and continues. And I think I told you before going, I do not know why I kept going. I should have stopped. I should have waited. There's no, I don't have. I don't have any logical reason

why I would keep going up that trail. I mean, I've been in the outdoors my whole life. I've done all kinds of things. I'm kind of convinced that all of us guys that pack around guns on a mountain or kind of cowards. That's why we have guns with us because we don't dare be there without a gun.

And there I was, just kept going straight toward whatever this thing was. Anyway, I... It's probably been screaming for 40 minutes, and now I'm getting pretty close to where it's at. And there's at one point that it's right in the trail. It's right in front of me. I'm 20 yards, 25 yards from it.

It's still so black I can't see, although I don't know if it's in my head or if I was seeing it, but there's a silhouette of something that I'm looking at that's eight feet tall in front of me in the trail. and it's still screaming. I've got my gun just pointed right at it. I don't have it to my shoulder. I've got it to my hip, my finger on the trigger.

And like I said, I can't really make out what I've seen, but I know right where it's at. And I think I stood there and it stood there for two minutes and it was just still roaring. And after about two minutes, it quit.

it made its way up the side hill quit screaming and let me pass now i got past it and then i just hustled as much as i could up the trail listening for whatever was going on behind me i get all the way to the top of the trail and i had to be at least an hour walk to where i was till i got to the trailhead and when i got to the trailhead i had an outfit and i had an outfit two guides and three guys that we were guiding sitting at the top they knew where I was at and all they were they were totally what was that what was you doing they they didn't dare come down the trail to rescue me but they whatever it was they weren't going to come save me so you know it's it was a fun adventure yeah it's a fascinating encounter you know you hear a lot of times

where they will go off like this. And it's bizarre. You know, it's almost like when you do a standoff with one of these things, I will say 90% of the time they'll back off and they'll leave, even though it's obviously trying to intimidate you. Why do you think it was going off? Do you think it was just pissed you guys were in the area? Or what's your impression of as far as what was going on?

You know, I was really close. to Indian reservation land where I was hunting. And at first I mean, because I can't imagine what this thing is. And I'm thinking, man, I don't think I believe in skin walkers, but this is a skin walker. You know, and then I'm going, no, it's way too big to be a skin locker. But it was, it was warning whoever was around to just stay clear. I mean, with every feeling that I had, it was, it was, it was, it was mad at something and I had no, I don't know what it was, but it was just, I, I can't really describe it. You know, I, every once in a while, I'll get on these little kicks where I'll go on to the internet, try to get somebody who's recorded something that I could, that I could listen to it.

Like, oh, that was it, that was it. And I've heard a few times when things are close, but I've never ever heard anything that was as loud, as long, and as vicious as what I was hearing. Yeah, I'm kind of curious. Would you describe the screaming as animalistic? Would you describe it as human-like? How would you kind of...

Definitely animalistic. but it wasn't like I say it wasn't anything that I'd ever heard it was some I say a scream because it wasn't a roar and it wasn't a whistle or anything that you get out of an elk or any other kind of animal

but it it was it was it was it was it was warning everybody on that whole mountain to stay out of that, stay away. Yeah, it's very, very intimidating when they scream. I've heard the scream before, and it's odd to hear. My impression of the scream I heard was it was female, and I don't know if

it was female. That was just my impression, but it was vicious, and it gave you the impression that you better stay away or there's going to be trouble. Why do you think it left? Why do you think when you walked up on it, it decided to leave? That is such a great question. I suppose that, you know, I had this belief in my head that as soon as I was next to it, that it was going to recognize that, you know, I was human. And it was going to grant me permission to pass. And it's kind of like that. It was standing wherever it was the trail right there.

It was screaming. and it kind of just decided that okay. And then, I mean, it just quit. And, I mean, I could hear it moving off to the side up through the underbrush. They gave me some space. And I took that as I had permission to now walk through there. And I walked as fast as I could stumbling over rocks as I went. But, yeah, I wish I could.

could answer that question. Yeah, no, and I was just curious on your impression about having that gunned. It helped a lot, too, as well. What do you think that Sasquatch is, Doug? What's your opinion as far as, what do you think that this creature is? Well, it's certainly manlike and it's animal-like. You know, I have, I've had a couple of things. other friends. I have one friend who claims that he was outside of Flagstaff, Arizona. They were

making a quick trip to Arizona to do something, him and another friend. It was about 2, 3, 30, 3 o'clock in the morning. And my friend was asleep in the front seat, and all of a sudden the car slammed on its brake and said, get it to a stop. And my friend claims that when he woke, he woke, up he immediately was wide awake because obviously the car is screeching to a halt and he said there was a Sasquatch in the middle of the road that was like nine foot tall and had red hair and actually they skidded to a stop and it laid its hands on the front of the car when it came to a stop and turned and took off into the trees. So I yeah so I mean there's a couple little stories that I know friends that have seen things.

But yeah. Yeah, it's so hard to say, you know, they can be very human-like and they can be very much animal-like. That's kind of the confusion with these things as far as their behavior. Thank God you got down that mountain. And it kind of speaks to some of the eyewitnesses that were there where they're unwilling to come and make sure you're okay. they're just kind of hoping for the best and waiting at camp.

And I'm telling you, when you hear that scream for people who haven't heard it, it's very intimidating. Very intimidating. I was a little upset that they weren't going to come down and get me. You know, I won't say I was mad, but I was like, why didn't you guys come? I mean, I'm down there, there's something eating me. You guys are standing up here not daring to come help me out. Yeah, it's, well, I mean, that just goes to show you on the, on the sound of the, the vocals the thing was making. When I heard it in Texas, I, I honestly, I mean, I don't know what a demon sounds like when it screams, but I mean, if you can imagine what a demon sounds like when it screams, somewhere between that, a human and some wild animal.

And that's basically what I heard when it was screaming. And it was directed at us. And it was pissed. I think that that's the reason that I was kind of wavering a little bit when I said I was wondering if it was a skin walker because obviously a skin walker is a Navajo demon that's kind of like a werewolf. So that was one of my first thoughts because this was not this was not anything that was normal. That's for sure. Yeah. So how long?

So I mean, you do this all the time. and I'm telling you this screaming went on for over 40 minutes straight. Is that unusual? Is that something you hear a lot about? Not as unusual as you might think. I'm trying to think when we're in Texas, it probably went on for about 20, 25 minutes. And it was disorienting because I couldn't tell you exactly where it was coming from. There was times where I thought, oh, it's coming from this direction.

And then there was times where I was like, now it's over here. and I don't you know sound balances around in the forest but it probably went on for 20, 25 minutes and it felt like it was directed at us when it was screaming. I wish I had, I mean, I have it in my head. I wish I could put it down like in an audio track for everyone to hear. But it was pissed and it was going on for a while. So no, it doesn't really shock me that it went on that long. It really doesn't.

And it may not have been directly, it may not have been directed at you at first. it might have been directed at, you know, because it sounds like you guys were covering the mountain, so it might have been directed at someone else and realized you were coming down and it was still going off. It doesn't, to answer your question, it doesn't shock me in one bit that it went on for that long. Yeah, you know, it's kind of sad that we live in a day and age now where everybody packs a cell phone with a recorder in their pocket. But 25 years ago, that's just not one of the things you packed with you on the mountain.

Yeah, I would agree with you. I think most people, even though they have the technology in their pocket, I can tell you for most eyewitnesses that I talk to, that's the last thing they think of. Usually it's, I got to get out of here, I got to get out of here, I got to get out of here, what is that? And they're, I mean, I've talked to so many eyewitnesses where they could have pulled their iPhone out and started recording the whole thing. But I think when you're in that moment, that's not really where your head goes. I think your head goes to, I want to get out of here. I don't want to be here anymore. Well, I hit my finger on the trigger.

Yeah, and a lot of guys. And that's the other thing, too. There's a lot of hunters you'll talk to where they have this thing in the crosshairs and they don't take the shot because there's confusion. They're not really sure what they're looking at. And they don't pull the trigger. And I think that's why a lot of people don't pull out their cell phones start recording what they're seeing. it's very rare for someone to do that because most people when they're in that situation

they're encountering something unknown they're not thinking oh i'll document this that's just not where your head goes your head goes i got to get out of here and you're more concerned about your life than you are really documenting the situation and i maybe that's hard for people understand but i get it from an eyewitness point of view to where you just want to leave. You just don't want to be there anymore. You just want to get out of there. You know what I mean?

Except for you're totally fascinated and you do anything to be in that same situation again. Yeah. Yeah. My father-in-law tells me that he was hunting on a mountain one time with some other men. And they'd been hunting all day long. And they got back to the campfire. and one of the guys just didn't want to talk. He was sitting by himself during the fire.

They're all telling stories, and he was just being quiet. And my father-in-law kept saying, so what's going on? Why are you quiet? He says, well, nothing. I don't want to talk. Finally, he let up and he said, you know,

I was going up. I was up on top of the cliffs, those white cliffs up there, and had a perfect place where I could hunt and look down and see some elk. and I was waiting for some elk to kind of come moving through there, and I could hear something on the ledge up above me coming down the trail. So I knew I had a herd of elk coming toward me.

I got my gun. I stepped out into the trail and looked back, and he says, there was a saskatch standing in the middle of the trail coming towards it. And there was a female scat squatch that was much smaller that was with him. And he says, I looked at it, and it looked at me. He says, I mean, it's obviously an animal, but enough human that I put it in my crosshairs, but I couldn't shoot. And I fired the shot into the ground in front of the scasquatch, and the big male picked up the female in his arms and took off and run off. And again, that's a story my father-in-law tells.

it wasn't him but was his friend but it's kind of all in relatively close proximity to where I had my experience Yeah it's a fascinating account So is your Doug I mean it really is a fascinating account It's one of those things you'll never forget

Do you still hunt? Oh absolutely Yeah Looking forward to the next one Yeah I hear you Well be safe out there Doug I really appreciate you coming on and sharing the account. Well, thank you for being interested in my story.

Well, next up on the show, I want to welcome. Matt, Matt, thanks for coming on. Hey, yeah, thanks for letting me come on. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And you had probably one of the more fascinating encounters I've heard. As you and I were talking earlier, I was telling you, I've actually heard this from a lot of little kids, believe it or not, very similar to your account.

But if you would, just kind of start from the beginning. Kind of tell us what you were doing and walk us into what happened, if you would. It would have been like the late 80s. I was born in 83 and I was probably seven or eight years old. When I used to go to my grandpa, I lived in a place called Butterfield, Arkansas, which is just outside of Malvern. It's a small town, all wooded areas. I remember I got a BB gun and my grandparents used to let me play on their property.

The property was, oh, five, six acres, all woods surrounded. But, you know, obviously we had it clear cut except for the trees that my grandparents used to like the pecans and stuff like that. He had a big garden on the backside of the property and it had a big cornfields. I remember playing in the cornfields when I was a kid. and there was a compost pile in the very, very back of the right on the fence line. And I don't know why he put it back there, but that's where he put it, I guess, to keep the smell away. But I used to go around with my baby gun when I would go out there and just kind of shoot birds or targets. I'd draw on paper sacks and shoot little ninjas that I would draw on the bags.

but so I was out there one day and I was walking around, you know, I was looking for something to shoot. And I saw a, at the time, like I said, I thought it was a raccoon. I thought it was a little raccoon. I couldn't see it very good. All I could see was the fur. So I started walking up to it. And there was, it wasn't a raccoon.

I didn't know what it was at the time. It was crawling. like a cat. It was not like a cat walks, but like a cat that's hunting something. Like it was cruising. That's the best way I can explain what he was doing. And he was little.

I mean, he was little. He was about the same size as me, but I was a little kid. And as I moved closer to try to come around, the compost was right in front of me. and I tried to circle to the left to see what it was. And I just saw the back of it. And as I got right to the fence where it was at,

the light was shining through the trees behind me. And it hit this big creature. It was just there. It was just, it just appeared, basically. And it shined from the light, from the, it had like a brownish orange tint to its fur, and that color just shines in the light. He stood there and looked at me. I know it was a guy. He was huge, but not like, not what most people describe. He wasn't that big. My dad's 6.3. My uncle's 6.8. And he was somewhere in between those

two. He was bigger than my dad, but shorter than my uncle. Physically, he was bigger than my uncle, but height-wise he wasn't. And he just stood there and looked at me. And when I saw him, I don't remember being afraid. I don't remember that at all. I just remember being confused as to what it was. And I took a couple of steps back away from the fence line where he was budded. I mean, he was almost touching the fence.

And I backed away. and then he pointed at the baby with his hand and then obviously with his hand and then he pointed at me and then he kind of motioned for me to come towards him his he I remember his face

I remember his hands specifically in the way he waved at me he waved towards me he pointed at me pointed at the baby or vice versa so one of the two of us got pointed at first. And then I thought he wanted me to play with him. That's what I thought. And so...

This is the big one doing this? Yes, this is the big one. The little one, as soon as the big one appeared, my eyes were completely diverted to the big one, and I never even remember seeing the little guy after this. Yeah, he pointed with his hand like it was, like he was holding an orange. You know how like if you were to hold an orange and point at something,

like where your hand isn't fully closed, your fingers aren't closed all the way like you're mad pointing, you're just regular pointing with something in your hand. But he didn't have anything in his hand. He just pointed and then any motion for me to come towards the fence. He didn't wave with his wrists like a normal person does. He waved with his entire forearm. like a like you've seen zoos like or or videos of great apes

orangutans specifically they wave with her entire hand and that's what he waved like and and so when he did this I stepped towards him and he as soon as I made the move to step towards him because I like I said I wasn't scared I didn't know what he was and his facial expression never changed he just as soon as I I stepped, he stepped like he was going to come to the, like, step right to the fence to grab me. And when he did right as I stepped, my grandmother came outside. And the, like I said, the house is far away, so she couldn't have seen it.

But she yelled for dinner. And as soon as that happened, he, like, almost disappeared. Like, he didn't just vanish into, like, a puff of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, he just blended into the background really easily. And I could still see him, but he basically all, you know, visual from anybody that was not me, would not have been able to see him at that point. And then I caught out of the corner of my eye movement down the fence line, and there were three other distinct movements back into the brush line as well.

What happened with the little one? Did it take off? Or do you remember? never, like I said, when the big one, when the big one stepped out, it kind of took all my attention away from the little one. I don't know what happened. I don't think he could walk. I think he was a baby. I think he was a legit, not even a toddler. He couldn't walk. He was baby. Like, he was little, and the only reason I assume that is because he didn't get up. When I got close, he just stayed in the position he was in. And he had close cropped fur like a dog. And he had close cropped fur like a

but the older ones didn't. The bigger ones had longer for her. Yeah, it's fascinating. You know, I talked to, I got to probably talk to a dozen kids. And they describe the motion a lot like you do, using the full arm, not, you know, like humans, we use one finger saying come here or we might wave to come here. And it's all from the wrist. But most little kids I talk to, their parents will put them on the phone. And it's fascinating because a lot of parents,

they think that their kid is making it up. And a lot of those little kids will tell you a lot of details that they would not have known unless they've seen what they've seen. And that motion always makes me nervous because when they come up to little kids' windows, I've heard of them making that motion of come outside, come with me sort of thing. Do you think it would have harmed you if you would have gotten close? Or what do you think the intention was? Well, the way that I think that it's weird is it was like he was talking but never made a sound. You know what I mean?

The way he motioned for me to like pointing at his, pointing at the baby and then pointing at me, it made me believe he wanted me to play with the little one. But I also think that looking back, I mean, obviously, you know, I was a kid, that's what I thought when I was a kid. And as an adult, I'm like, if I was near a park and then, adult person did that to my kid, I would freak out, you know? And I think he may have just been using that as a ploy because I saw the baby and he wanted me to come close so he could, I don't know. It's a, I've had, I've had dreams about that. And it's all, and it literally is

just as vivid as when it happened. Oh, and I forgot to say his face, like the big one had a, had a white birth mark on his face on his lip. Like, he, he was a, It was a patch. Like it was an entire white blob on his face. Yeah, that's fascinating. Did it look more human-like or did it look more animal-like? Can you kind of describe the face? It didn't look anything like a human other than the fact that it had a nose that was kind of like ours.

But really just wide, wide. and just barely pitched up, barely pitched up, not a hook nose, but like the opposite, where I could see in his nostrils, but not like a gorilla, not like a gorilla. It was a nose. It just was flat, and his mouth was longer across, but it wasn't, it wasn't. He had, he had, it looked like he had no lips. Like there were super, like super thin lips, you know. Yeah.

And his eyes were covered with shadow. Like so, and he had, like, you know, most of the people that I hear talk about, you know, on the show and other places I've read, they say they have no neck. But he had a neck. He just had such huge traps that it made him look like he didn't have a neck. I remember that specifically that he had bulging trap muscles. Yeah, the encounter is fascinating. Was that the only, were you the only person to see it on this property or did other family members run a lot? under the same? You know, in this property, I'm the only person that I know of that saw that

that happened. But we, my family owns a historical piece of property in southern, like a little bit further south, like 40 miles away. And there has been three different encounters with all three of my, the male members of my family own that property. I'm kind of curious. And I'm, and I want to hear those accounts, but before we go into that, so when you went back, did you tell your, grandmother or did you tell me no i didn't tell anybody the first time because i didn't know what it was i was more like that was the weirdest thing but then as a kid you know dinner so that's what i went right to dinner it wasn't i wasn't scared i wasn't freaked out the first time i ever remember saying anything was my we my dad uh like a couple years later was watching the movie the legend of boggy

Creek. And when they showed the, the, the, the, uh, seen, have you, I'm sure you've seen the movie, right? You know the scene where the, where the, where the, where the, where the, where the, bigfoot was standing at the fence line? Yeah. I looked at my dad and I said, that same thing happened to me. And he, and he looked at me. And he said, what? And I said, uh, oh, I'm just playing. Because I, I thought he was going to say I was dumb or something, you know, just I thought he was going to, you know, He just looked at me like he was, at the time I interpreted it as being mad, but now I look back, it was just confused. And I remember, I remember that's, I try to tell the Bigfoot research organization or whatever, and they literally had nothing to, they didn't even want to hear it. They didn't want to hear it.

Yeah, I think it's a fascinating account. Like I said, I've heard it from a lot of little kids, even adults now. Yeah. They'll talk about this type of encounter when it comes up to their. window and I always wonder is it trying to get you getting closer to snatch you what he he he wanted to take me for sure like I I know that's what he wanted to do I don't know why he wanted to take me but that's what he was going to do yeah like like I said the second I stepped towards him again after he basically coaxed me into coming back he stepped the second I stepped so he could be so he

could grab as quickly as he could yeah that's terrifying tell me about some of your family and So 40 miles away on a different property. Yeah, this piece of property is actually right next to the Grey Lake. And there's quite a few sightings come from there over the years that I've looked into because ever since that happened, I've looked, read stories, talked to people. But I never tell them my story because I think that my story is so outlandish the way it sounds to people. So I just don't tell it. when they asked me if I've ever seen him, I say no, you know. And because it's just crazy when I,

I could only imagine what somebody would say if I told him that, you know. And, but it did happen. But anyways, my, my dad, I think that's why he was like, he looked concerned when I told him that because when he was 16 years old, Amity, Arkansas did that. That's the 1960s. and he was dry he he said that there there had been i actually just recently spoke to him about this like because he had told me a few years later you know after the my event had happened that he had he i saw one of

those you know talking about legend barger creek he said i saw one of those when i was a kid so then you know when i wrote you the email i wanted to talk to him and and get more details about what he he saw because the way he described it wasn't that big of a deal but when he told me the second part of the story the real story as an adult, it's way crazier than I thought it was. He said that at the time period, there had been a few sightings because they had just flooded Lake to Gray. They had raised the level like 10 feet. And there's a lot of caves around Lake to Grey.

In fact, I used to party on one of those caves. But they flooded a lot of the caves, and they're starting being sightings in the area. And a few here and there. And my dad, you know, he said he never really had an opinion of it. He had just heard the stories. And he was driving his truck down the dirt road going out to my family's property, which is to this day there's nothing around. I mean, it's still the middle of nowhere.

And 30 miles, 40 miles from the closest place. And you could look it up online. Like I said, it's in the historical registry. But he was driving and he saw, he said, the one he saw was much bigger than what I saw because he said it was moving so fast that it made three steps, one on the side of the road,

one in the middle of the road, and one in the cross on the other side of the road. But he said the way it ran was like, it was like a gazelle. It was going so fast that it was like kind of gliding through the air as it ran. You know what I mean? Like, like just moving so fast

that his feet couldn't keep up with how fast he was moving. Yeah. And he said he was slouch forward like he was running on his knuckles, but he didn't, he wasn't using his hands. He was just sluts slouts forward with his arms draping. And he said that it went off the road and he was like, I don't, what is that? So he yanked his truck off to the side of the road and he put the spotlight because right next to where he was at it was a beanfield. And I don't know if you've ever seen a beanfield, but they're flat. there's nothing in a bean field.

And so he figured he could see it again if he hit it with the lights because he didn't know what it was. And he said right in front in the ditch right next to the beanfield, 15, 20 feet from his truck was a big bush with a pole, a telephone pole that had the honeysuckle on it, just a big honeysuckle bush. and he said he was looking and he got out of his truck he had the spotlights of the headlights shining on it and he saw a hand and he said it looked exactly like a gorilla's hand he said it looked like it was except for the thumb he said the thumb was regular

but it had its hand and it was black now the one I saw was pale like mine wasn't even I would even describe mine as black at all like he didn't have he wasn't black at all he was more of a a light tan and but the one my dad said he's seen was had black skin and of course

it also was dark so you know and he said when he he had a flashlight at the time it was one of the big ones and he shone the hand with the flashlight and it moved its hand and he said that's when he saw its eyes and he saw its whole face

and they just stared at each other for a couple minutes and my dad said that's what everybody says that they've been seeing and he said they stared at each other for like three minutes and then it just turned around and started walking away and he was like he said for just a brief second he said I'm going to follow this thing but he didn't and he said it was in the ditch

and it was as tall as he was he said they were eye level and he was in a ditch and my dad was up on the road he said he wanted to follow it but he he just said the eyes looked like human eyes but not like nice human eyes. Like, I don't want you to be here. Human eyes. And was your dad the only one to see one?

No, but actually him and my younger brother saw one together later on in the same property. They saw one. In fact, my brother told me the story, and I thought, you know, my brother's prone to exaggeration. So when he told me the story, you know, me and him talked about as, you know,

growing up, I'm quite a bit older than he is. So we talked about going in the woods and looking for Bigfoot, whatever, but we never did. And then he saw this. He says, he came over to my house and he goes, I just saw Bigfoot yesterday. And I was like, what? And he was, he was scared. I mean, he was scared. And I said, well, what happened?

He explained it to me. My dad was with him. So I, so immediately knowing my brother was prone to exaggeration, I called my dad and asked him. And he told me exactly what the exact story my brother had said, that they were going. going to check the mail out in the wood. Obviously, there's just a rural mailbox on the side of the road, like 200 yards from the house. And they were walking down. There's no, there's no, there's no street light, you know.

And they were, they were just, they didn't have a flashlight. They just knew where the box was that. So they were just following the moon kind of like creates a lighting for you. And they were walking and he said everything was just real quiet. And then he turned and he said it ran right across the line. right across the road right in front of him and I was like well how close were you and he said oh I could have touched him he said I could have touched him as you ran by I could have slapped him and and he said he made no sound but I just assumed you know I was in the military I was in I was in

corrections for 10 years you know it's the fighter flight thing I think he just canceled out everything except for the visual is what happened and he said it he said it wasn't big at all he said it was it was six foot six is same size as the one I saw when I was a kid Yeah, that's fascinating. Especially, you know, it's nice to have family that's seen it. That way you can kind of chat with them as far as what. Well, I've never, I don't even tell them my story. I won't even tell them my story.

And why is that, Matt? I just feel like, you know, their stories are like, oh, it ran across the road. It was staring from the bush. And mine was like, it tried to take me. You know, it's like, that's a whole different ballgame. It's like, oh, I saw something in the air that's flying that I can't identify. And this tried to abduct me. You know what I mean?

I mean, it's a whole different. Yeah. It's a whole different caliber. Like, my older brother had an encounter with something. Now, in that situation, he never saw anything. He just smelled it on the same property. And it was walking on the porch. And he never saw it, but he went outside with his gun.

And he told me, he's like, I was, my brother, he was just like, when I opened the door, I was hoping nothing was there. I was terrified. He said it was walking. Something started creaking the porch from where it was walking on the porch. And it's a dog trot house so you can go from the front to the back without being indoors. And he said it came up on the back porch, which is five feet off the ground. It walked across the porch, hesitated, went back, was off the porch in the front.

He said he got up, walked outside. There's no power to this house. It's just, it's all rusted. You know, it's like a hunting cabin, but that's where my great grandparents used to live. And then he said, he was like, he didn't see nothing. He just smelled like a really fish smell, like a fresh, like fresh fish guts. Like he said it was like somebody was skinning fish on the porch. And then he said, he went back inside.

And he said, well, maybe I'm just crazy. And he turned on the, he turned on the solar, the crank radio. and he said it came back and I assume whatever it was heard the radio and the property's not used all the time so it wanted to know what it was and when he turned it off

when he heard the creaking it had hopped off the front porch and then when he went back inside and turned it back on it came back from the front porch to the back porch and he said whatever it was must have moved fast he thought I told him I was like well could it have been a bear he's like no because the bear would have

wouldn't have been able to jump off the porch like that or climb up the porch like that without me hearing the scraping. And he said, and then he said, I spotlighted the yard and there was nothing there. And if it would have been a bear, I would have seen it or maybe. I mean, who knows? But he's, he believed that it was a thick foot walking across the porch. Yeah. And I don't think your story is outlandish as you might think, Matt.

I mean, like I said, I can't even tell you how many kids I've talked to. Even adults, like I said before, very similar behavior. It always concerns me when kids tell me that when it's coming up to the window and motioning for, you know, and kids have weird names for him. I mean, I've heard everything from monkey bears to the monkey, the ape. Honestly, I just, I had no clue what I thought he was. Like, I just was confused about what it was like I looked at a man. You know what he kind of looked like Teen Wolf, but without a black nose. you know what I mean?

Like his face Like he had But his fur was more like Leafs like matted Like matted fur But in the like they weren't They didn't look like leaves It wasn't leaf fur

But it was like mad So if he like stepped back He looked like a tree And he just He never did anything The only thing he did was move forward And back And he moved his arm

But he was completely stoic He just stood there And like And just looked at And I just remember thinking, you know, the Patterson Gimley footage is not what I saw. Like he didn't look anything like that. He didn't look anything like that. He looked more ragged.

He looked more rugged, like ragged. Like he looked ragged. Yeah, and I hear that a lot too from witnesses where they'll say it didn't look like anything like the Patterson Gimlin film. What do you think that these things are, Matt, now that you've had time, you're an adult now and you've had time to really think about this. if some order to ask you what do you think Sasquatch is, what would you say? Well, you know, for a while, when I was a kid, I thought it's too much like a person to be an animal and too much like an animal to be a person. For a while, I thought it was, you know, the typical Native American tribe that hasn't been discovered that's just a large group of people. and then it's not.

No people look like that, you know, and I don't know. It was like he was, it was like he was obviously real, but he didn't seem that way, you know. I know that people say that it's obviously an animal, and I think that, but I think also if it was an animal, we would have caught it or captured it or shot it and killed it and brought it forward. And I know people do that sometimes, but I don't know. It's a hard question because I don't think anybody will know until they catch one or find one or kill it, bring it home. Yeah, it's a good point. I mean, you bring up a lot of good points. It's animal-like, but it's not.

It's human-like, but it's not. I mean, I've hunted my whole life, and if you want to find an animal, just go to a water source and wait. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that's all you have to do. If you want to find any animal, just go near a water source and just wait. It'll be there. But it ain't like that for this. Yeah, it's very different.

I know what you mean, though, too, when you say, because I had that same feeling after my encounter, like, this isn't real. Like, all of this looks fake. And then, but you know it's, you know it's real, but you had that same feeling of, like, what I'm seeing isn't real. I'm, I'm, and I think most of us go through that. But thank God that thing didn't snag you or take you. You know, in a way, I've thought about that a lot. And I'm like, part of me was like, I wish he would have taken me so I could have known what was going on. But then other parts may have, was like, I might not have ever came back from that, you know.

And I don't think he would have taken me and let me play with his kid and then let me come back home and just be like, oh, we're going to pick you up for a play day every day. Yeah, it's hard to know what the intention is. you know, I've heard of accounts to where they've helped kids. And I've heard of accounts where kids just vanish. I felt like, you know, the only, I never was really that scared. But you know what really set up my caution flag was how fast he stepped towards the fence when I made one motion towards him. That's the only part, like as an adult, especially looking back, it's like the speed in which like he, like he was, he was not moving. He was just standing there.

I guess so if you see me from a distance, it looks like he's just a tree. I don't know. But all I can tell you is the only thing that sets up a caution flag in my head today was that when I stepped towards him after he motioned me to come to him, he stepped so fast towards that fence to grab me. And I just think that normal people that do that aren't normal. You know, they don't want good things when somebody moves that quick. he was too anxious.

Yeah, a little too ambitious to grab you. I get it. I get it. It's a fascinating account. And I really appreciate you coming on and sharing it. I appreciate you sharing your family's encounters too as well, Matt. I appreciate it, Wes. It was nice talking to you.

Yeah, it was great talking with you, Matt. And that's it for tonight. Everyone, remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquotronicles.com. Happy New Year. Happy holidays. I'll see everyone on the other side of, uh, 2019.

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